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- Here's my list of the 10 Best Players not in the Baseball Hall of Fame. These players have some of the greatest performances for a career than anyone and yet still are not in. They all have different reasons but the numbers speak for themselves. Let me know who makes your list!!
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No one ever brings up Lou Whitaker, he should have went in with Trammell. Whitaker's numbers stack up with most other second basemen in the Hall and he and Trammell retired as the all time double play duo.
I can't disagree. Good points on Whitaker.
There are six second basemen in the Hall Of Fame. Lou has better numbers than all of them.
Not only is he not in the hall of fame. His voting tallies were outrageously low. It's borderline a crime
@@rickallanolsen not to be an annoying corrector but I dunno where you got that info from but it's 100% not true. There are at least 20 2b in hall of fame and a bunch of them got better numbers. One of them is a career 358 batter with 2 triple crowns for God's sake lol
@@rickallanolsenAll xcpt Joe Morgan.
Steve Garvey belongs in the HOF. Zero scandals, one of the best all around players of the 70's, numerous All-Star games, accolades and awards both offensivley and defensively. How he's not in the HOF is beyond me.
Garvey absolutely should be in the HOF
Good Choice
Gotta disagree. Only 272 homers (only one 30 HR season), 117 OPS+ and .329 OBP all very low for a first baseman. All-Star games are just a popularity contest, and he played for LA, a major media market. His 3 All-Star appearances with the Padres were not deserved -- I know, b/c I'm a lifelong Padre fan. (FTR, his game 4 HR against the Cubs in the 84 NLCS is still a cherished memory for me, but I still don't think he belongs in the HOF.)
Garvey sure as heck doesn't belong in the U. S. Senate
@@greghoadley1815 Garvey has a lot of 200 hit seasons, more than a lot of people in the HOF
Dave Stieb. The channel Secret Base did a 4 part series on him and his career and using analytics on how good he actually was during his career. He should be on the list.
He was good. no doubt.
Hearing someone outside of Atlanta say Murphey deserves to be in is nice to hear. He won back to back MVP's, but he was a much better person than player, hope Murph gets in someday, because his speech will be great. Jones deserves to get in as well. Willie Mays said he was the best defensive centerfielder he had ever seen, that says it all right there, plus he was on all those division championship teams.
Thank you for the comments. Dale Murphy was awesome. He is so underrated. He was great!!
Even if i hadn't seen A. Jones bat i think his outfield play is good enough to get into the HOF.
No one talks about one old time player that is a more worthy candidate than several on your list. Bob Johnson played from 1933 - 1945. In his 13 seasons he had 100 RBIs, or more, 8 times. 7 times he did this in consecutive years, He had more lifetime RBIs in 13 years (1283) than Dale Murphy had in 18. He has a lifetime OPS of .899. His OPS+ is 139. His lifetime on base percentage is an amazing .393. He hit 288 HRs in those 13 years. He was thought of as an excellent fielder. He played for mostly bad teams and was overshadowed by other stars of the era. It has always amazed me that his name is never brought up. He deserves to be in the HOF. As Casey Stengel once said, "You could look it up".
Good Player for sure. Not sure he's better than several on this list but then again this list isn't about whether they should or shouldn't be in the Hall. That being said his numbers were good.
I guess it is a matter of opinion. He is the least talked about legitimate candidate for the HOF. His numbers are better than some already in. Read about him and I bet you will change your mind. He was extremely well regarded by his fellow players. His numbers are HOF worthy. He played for the As when Mack had sold off most of the stars and he had little around him. Makes his numbers even more remarkable to me. I did like your video.@@birdlandnetwork83
Ok
Shoeless Joe Jackson should be in the hall of fame because if he was trying to lose the game he was doing a bad job he hit over .400 in that series
There are some points to show he did his best. But you never know and I guess that's why he's not in. They said he was in on it and they can't prove he wasn't. Not definitely anyway. I'm not disagreeing I just see why he's not.
Pls look at sweet Lou career he is better then almost 90% of the second basemen who are in the hall .yes he is in as a team with tram ( the best double play combo ) .for us tiger fans he should be in .
@@anthonytropiano6650 Fair point. That's why these videos are fun. Like to hear other opinions as long as they're respectful. Whitaker was a really good player for sure.
Look at his numbers in the games they lost. The ones they were dumping. He didn't hit .400 in those. Or even .200, if I'm remembering right
besides Shoeless Joe the most obvious choice is Pete Rose!
How about Dave Concepcion?
He was the best SS I ever saw play.
He also invented the bounce throw to 1st.
Good hitter and could steal/run.
That's a great choice. Awesome player for sure. Thanks for watching.
Bounce was because his arm wasn't the best and if he didn't launch it high it wouldn't make it.
he only has a WAR of 40.1 267 hitter is not that good when there is very little power
He wasn't even as good as his contemporary Campy Campaneris, who's never getting in. Plus, Concepcion had several HOF'ers in the Reds lineup whose presence guaranteed he would get great pitches to hit, but he still wasn't that good of an offensive player. Very good player, but not HOF material. Plus he played half his games on astroturf, which almost always guaranteed nice bounces on grounders.
Ozzie Smith was a significantly better short stop than Davey.
Will Clark?
Cons: only 2176 career hits, 284 HRS. So longevity stats are a bit low due to not extending his MLB career as long as he could have.
Pros: .303 lifetime BA, outstanding combo of power and BA, led SF to the World Series, was a dynamic clutch star, one of a kind batting style, great role model, retired early to devote himself to his autistic son.
Will Clark has my vote, he was singlehandedly worth the price of admission!
He was pretty awesome. Love Will Clark.
The thrill was exactly what you wanted a baseball hero to be.
And he only called teammates the n-word once in a while. Not every day.
Also an .880 OPS and 137 OPS+ ...... and a 56.5 WAR which is higher than Hall of Famers like Harold Baines and Tony Oliva. Had Clark played 5 more seasons he'd have made the HOF.
Maybe a HOF is needed for the BBWA turndown because they may have had an issue with a player not related to his performance, rather his personality.
David Concepcion-#13 Big Red Machine better hitter than Ozzie in regular AND postseason.
Smooth with the leather and great base runner.
good points.
Steve Garvey Lou Whitaker, Dave Parker, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue always come to mind for me
There are good players on that list. Thanks for sharing
Vida may not have the longevity as a top pitcher to make the hof .
Here is the entire list of eligible, non-steroid MLB players with 2 MVPs not in the HOF..... Dale Murphy.
Good one
I concur.
@@jimmydabakeri concur with your concurness😂
Roger Maris too.
Jim Edmonds?
Cons: just under 2k hits, so longevity wasn’t achieved.
Pros: 393 HRS. Arguably the best defensive CF in MLB history. See his greatest catches video clips, no CF was better…
He was very good for sure.
Steve garvey
He's come up alot.
Dick Allen - love the man. Him smoking a cigarette for a baseball card. Love it!
LOL
Dick was a fan favorite in Chicago. If he had a longer career and applied himself he would have been a shoe in for the hall. Anyone who hits two inside the park homeruns in the same game, and blasts one over the 445 foot center field wall in cavernous old Sox Park belongs in the HOF.
@@fratzogmoparslol don't forget Greg Luzinskies 2 rooftop shots at old Comisky
@@Mr-Angelo0U812 Luzinski had more than that, and Kittle had 7 rooftop shots.
Re: artificial turf: "If a horse can't eat it, I don't want to play on it.
I agree with your list wholeheartedly. You did quite a bit of homework. There were so many great ballplayers to choose from.
Thank you for the kind words. Hope you come back and watch more. Have a great day
Has no one mentioned Keith Hernandez? Far and away, the greatest defensive 1st baseman in the last 50 years.
Great defensive 1st baseman. His name has come up
And a great actor playing himself on "Seinfeld".
They say he was a bad teammate, sorry to the writers and loved the Devils dandruff a little too much.. 😂. But he could hit and he had that Velcro glove at first base so yeah I kinda agree
@@jaynash2645” Devil’s Dsndruf as in Blow? 😂😂😂😂
@@MIKIEEYEZ1975 lol yeah… rumors that the 86 met team was snorting the field lines before the game..😭 I mean I’ve saw that was part of the Cardinals issues with him…most of baseball used greenies back then , amphetamines just in case your young and never heard of them. Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black in my opinion but…
Dick Allen and Dale Murphy but no Dwight Evans? The most HRs and Extra Base hits of the 1980s.
That's a good one.
Dewey
@@thomasblackwell462and Chewy! Chewbacca😂
Evans was the best right fielder from about 1975-1988.
As long as crybaby Darrel Evans and his sissy . 248 lifetime batting average never makes it in the hof .
Dale Murphy , Cobra , Keith Hernandez , Curt Schilling, Billy Wagner , Beltran , D Allen
Some good ones on there. I think Wagner will get in next year.
Beltran is only in his second year of eligibility on the HoF ballot. And he's already getting like 50+% of votes, he'll get in within a couple more votes.
@@unkledoda420 strong possibility for sure.
Curt Shilling for sure
Great video. ⚾💯
Thank you very much.
How about JOHN FRANCO who finished with over 400 saves, the most by a lefthanded closer in MLB history?? HE DESERVES TO BE IN THE HALL OF FAME.
Maybe so. I can't put him on my list though.
DWIGHT EVANS, if Ozzie Smith is in the hall of fame for his defense then Evans should be too, he was a decent hitter too. One of the best right field ever , great arm!
Agree with this choice BIG Time!!
He's a good one.
Cannon
Ron Santo was at the top of this list for many years, but that’s been resolved.
Fair enough
I love the crazy Bonds stat where one season he had more total bases than official at bats thanks to 232 base on balls. 373 official at bats and got on base 376 times!
There was a time when everyone was scared to pitch to him.
@@birdlandnetwork83 I'm more amazed at his walks records. Intentionally walked like 17 times with bases loaded. Intentionally walked with nobody on. Dude had the best eye in the history of baseball. Might get one pitch all night and crush it to go along with four walks
great job
Thanks Pete!
For all the times the Character Clause has been invoked to keep a borderline candidate out (Dick Allen, Omar Vizquel, etc.), I can't think of a single time it's been invoked to get a borderline candidate in. And there's one borderline candidate whose character should've been enough: Dale Murphy.
Really good guy. No doubt.
I understand those 1919 white Sox players who agreed to throw that world series were stiffed concerning the money they were promised
Maybe. Who knows
@@birdlandnetwork83 that's what I heard 😐
@@charlescline8943I didn't realize you were there. LOL!! I'm kidding.
Before Manny Ramirez imploded, he was the odds-on favorite to break Lou Gehrig's Grand Slam record-- which A-Rod eventually broke.
He was on his way no doubt. He's still third though. A Rod, Gehrig, Manny and Murray
@@birdlandnetwork83Robin Ventura hit a lot also
Manny should be in the greatest 2 strike hitter in baseball. Roger also if they did ped it was at the end of career because of age and injuries
@@ThomasBragdon-cm2jz whether at the end of their careers or not doesn't make it right. If you're old and you can't play anymore then it is what it is. Accept it and move on . Be happy with the career you had. Nope they couldn't do that. Greed clouds judgement. EVERY SINGLE TIME!!!
Many on this list either juiced (and got busted, see Palmeiro and Ramirez, respectively), admitted to juicing (ARod, who was suspended for it) a/o were accused of juicing based on their insane numbers late in their careers (Bonds and Clemens). Two gambled a/o took money to lose, though w/ Jackson I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. With Rose, not so much. Andruw Jones and Dick Allen still have a chance (w/ either the BBWAA a/o a future Vets Committee). Murphy was impressive in the 80s, but stalled out.
All very good point.s
Tired of hearing about the juice it was ok when doctors gave it to them to heal quicker, it was ok when Maguire & Sosa were battling for home run record ( Sosa didn't do steroids) then all sudden its bad. Bonds was walked, intentionally walked was lucky to see a strike in AB. The percentage of the times he was on it was unbelievable . Steroids might have made it go farther but didn't have anything to do with timing or hitting the ball. Bonds needs to be in. HOF isn't full of good people so stop acting like saints
Rose never bet against his team
@@maddie0270 how could you prove that? Not saying he did but he opened the door to huge issues of being in position to influence the outcomes of games.
Bonds never tested positive. Writers bringing their own biases into the voting kept him out. I'll never understand why writers think these guys have to be your friends. Bonds has admitted lately he should have probably handled the press better.
To hell with the writers and the veterans committee. I think there should be certain milestones that automatically gain a spot in the HOF. They are 500 home runs, 3,000 strikeouts, 300 wins, four awards such as MVP or Cy Young, 10 times picked for the All Star Game or ,300 lifetime batting average for a career of 15 years. If you hit any of those marks, you should be in, not subject to the whims of sportswriters.
Thanks for the comments.
Lefty O'Doul .
The PED issue will be with us for a while longer. Vada Pinson, Tommy John, Dave Parker, Lou Whitaker, Mark Grace......jus' sayin'
Yes it will be with us forever. Thanks for the comments. Good list.
Pretty good list - interesting to include a few not usually cited. Most lists like these are limited to ten selections (players) - which invites reactions for players not included - and maybe that that's the point.
The list here is notable, for about half the players, for career totals. Low numbers almost automatically disqualify the candidate.
I once read that a great deal of luck correlates with HoF membership. A hall-of-famer is (was) lucky to avoid injury - thus assuring many PA's, starts, and save-chances. Also "lucky" - to postpone aging and continue to be highly productive late in ones career. SUSTAINED high-production is the most-notable feature for members in the Hall.
A couple tips:
1) Right at the start, clearly state that this survey reviews greatness, which is not equal to worthiness for induction. State this at least two more times - help viewers understand your POV.
2) Limit usages like "to me", "my opinion", etc. This is implied. It's tiresome to hear it three times for one player, It's amateurish and hurts credibility.
Still, it was worth the time - especially for those interesting few.
I'm not sure if your comments were a dig or a compliment. Either way thanks for watching.
Manny belongs in the hall of fame
I was a big Jim Rice fan growing up and was so happy when the petitioning finally worked on his last ballot
But if Jimmy made it you absolutely can't deny Manny. Honestly they aren't on the same level
Peds are complicated. I just can't see denying an entire era of baseball. It happened. I think most people were using them but we still had roughly the same number of superstars that other eras had
Have to disagree. I have no problem denying an entire era of baseball if we have evidence of their using PEDs. These things shouldn't be taken lightly. When a guy hits 73HR at the age of 38 (or 39 I can't remember) when he should be retired or about to retire and his skills declining and guys are hitting balls out left and right that's an issue. It's artificial. It's not really them fully. Just my opinion. As for Jim Rice and Manny. I think you know why I feel Manny Shouldn't be in (see previous comments) and Jim Rice is borderline and probably shouldn't have gotten in. Rice was a really good player, not sure he was a HOFer though. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@birdlandnetwork83 Rice was one of the greatest of his era and had he not taken that pitch to the hand i have no doubt the Sox would've won the 75 series
Manny is a hitting savant. He was exceptional and already a man among boys in high school and im talking among the best in the country. He did take stuff probably towards his later years but back then you would've been a fool to not do it. Think about it. Bonds knew he was the best in Baseball in 98 and he got little attention. It all went to Sosa and McGwire. And it was celebrated.
People forget about the timing of the "steroids scandal". Bush seemingly out of nowhere dropped the line we need to get steroids out of our national past time. He was in the middle of invading a country illegally who didn't even attack us.
Im serious. No one cared. Everyone knew and they kept letting it happen. I think we need to use common sense to determine which players were already great naturally. Manny makes that list. I think guys like Giambi not so much
@@stvinney I disagree. Blaming steroids and baseball's discipline of them on the former President is not using common sense and has nothing to do with it. Also to say no one cared is also shortsighted. I cared!! Many fans other players that didn't use cared!! Not only that to say players would have been fools to not use PEDs is borderline comical. Obviously using them was foolish because it has now cost them their chance at the Hall of Fame and their reputations. I am steadfast in my belief that if they were good enough to be in the Hall of Fame then why use? They did it for the money and the fame! Do the crime...do the time. Rice was very good but to say one of the greatest of his time? That's pushing it. Manny was great and probably would have gotten in but.....well....you know.
I respect some of your list
Thank you?
How about Bill Buckner? His lifetime stats certainly put him in HOF territory. He is unfortunately best remembered for that dribbler that went between his bad ankles in the 1988 world series.
There have been several comments on him.
That would be 86 World Series
It was 1986 the Redsox lost the world series to the Mets
@@mifan67karaokeandsingalong15 please, don’t remind me
1986 W.S. Douche!! 😂😂😂😂
Palmeiro dug his own grave after testifying in front of congress saying he never did roids and then almost immediately testing positive.
Still a heck of a ballplayer. Not in and shouldn't be in but deserves to be on this list.
@@birdlandnetwork83 no doubt he was. Just think in 1985 Mississippi State had him,Will Clark,Jeff Brantley and Bobby Thigpen. Lost in the last elimination game at the CWS on a walk off grand slam by Miami.
I totally agree with this list and I guess in time and when all is said and done and the dust is settled put them all in the Hall of Fame. As far as Pete Rose goes you can debate it forever but the way I understand it he bet on his team to WIN.
The MLB HOF is based on individual statistics and these players were incredibly great.
Thanks for the comments. Great thoughts
As for Rose, the rule did not differentiate on how you bet. You were forbidden from betting on baseball while working within MLB in any capacity, with banishment as penalty. Pretty simple; he is ineligible and should be. Don't break the main rule when you have seen that posting on the clubhouse door more than just about any other human being.
Pete Rose can go in when Bart Giamatti gets up out of his grave that Rose put him in to award him the plaque.
Andruw Jones, Lou Whitaker, Kenny Lofton
Good picks
Great list. I think Tim Lincecum deserves a closer look. His career is extremely interesting. An examination of his career would be useful in understanding what the Hall looks for, and maybe instead what it should look for. Almost no one thinks Linecum deserves the hall. And yet, for perhaps four seasons he was perhaps the best there was. He threw more than 1.5 times as many innings as HOFer Trevor Hoffman. Im not saying Lincecum deserves the Hall, its just that the Hall values longevity more than impact
Good player but certainly didn't play long enough and wasn't great for a long enough period of time. He never won 20 games. He has a liftime ERA of 3.70 and was good but not great. I like him but there is something to be said for longevity.
@@birdlandnetwork83 longevity is perhaps overrated.
3 from the same country… Juan Gonzalez, Carlos Beltran, Carlos Delgado
Good ones. Surprisingly I think you're the first person to mention Beltran in the comments.
Joe Carter. 1445 rbi
Harold Baines 1624 rbi
Bert Blyleven 3701 k’s
Lou Whitaker 2470 r+rbi
Dick Allen
Good list
As you are an 0s fan what thoughts on the G.Davis trade?
In hindsight the trade was one of the worst in Orioles history (the Eddie Murray trade was the worst to me) because they traded away Pete Harnisch, Steve Finley and Curt Schilling. Schilling is a borderline HOFer, Finley had a marvelous career and Harnisch was pretty good. At the time the trade made sense. Trade for proven commodity in Davis who was 29 and in his prime and was hitting 30hr/season in the cavernous Astro dome for three guys that were promising but unproven. The trade is a bad one for sure. Wish we could have that one back.
1 - Pete Rose
2 - Shoeless Joe Jackson
3 - Rocky Colavito
4 - Smokey Joe Wood
5 - Maury Wills
6 - Richie Allen
7 - Roy Face
8 - Bucky Walters
9 - Heinie Groh
10 - Luis Tiant
11 - Ken Boyer
12 - Tommy John
13 - Don Newcombe
14 - Larry Doyle
15 - Carl Furillo
Good list
@@birdlandnetwork83 Thanks .
And i even left off Stan Hack , Babe Adams , Steve Garvey , Mickey Lolich , Dale Murphy , Ken Williams Ed Reulbach , Dick Groat , Bill Freehan , Jimmy Wynn and Jerry Grote , players i also believe should be in the hof .
And there are even more .
@@user-ki1un4jg2d remember though it's the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Everybody. Great players get in only.
@@birdlandnetwork83 Jerry Grote for defense , like old timer Ray Schalk .
Remember , the 1960s was the 2nd dead ball era with all of the great hof pitchers .
Top 3 for me are Bonds, Clemens and ARod. Ask me to make the best starting 9 since ww2, I put all 3 on it.
I would agree.
Rose admitted to gambling on REDS games , but to always win. If he would have bet against the Reds ,I would have had serious problems with it , but Rose would have been a Billionaire , so he is telling the truth I believe.
I understand the logic but I just can't take his word on anything. His gambling obsession was just as big as his obsession to win. I would not put it past him to bet against his team. Sad because based on his numbers alone he's an obvious Hall of Famer.
Dick Allen while playing left field with the Dodgers threw out two runners at the plate in The Same Inning!
Cool.
Eight Men Out came out in 1988 which means there were still people who could have seen that movie who saw Shoeless Joe Jackson play in person.
There's a possibility for sure.
Confusing disqualified players with those just not voted in. By the way, Jackson played long enough to be in Hall, but was disqualified. Jackson took money, admitted it. No one said he did not play to win, but clearly took the money and admitted it. If you actually visit Cooperstown, Jackson is referenced throughout the building. Certainly not forgotten.
Not confusing disqualified with those just not voted in. The whole point of the video was to list the 10 best players not in the Hall of Fame. This isn't about why they're not in or if they should be!!! I've been to the Hall of fame four times (twice for inductions) and I know Jackson is throughout but his plaque isn't on that wall.
@@birdlandnetwork83that's cool you went to 2 inductions. Which players?
Jackson did not take the money.read the facts.
@@Mr-Angelo0U812Well I'm an Orioles fan so I was there for Eddie Murray and Cal Ripken
Dale Murphy, Steve Garvey, Dwight Evans, Bill Buckner, Al Oliver but the one that I cannot believe is not in the HOF is Luis Tiant ... Louie Tiant definitely belongs in the HOF!
Interesting list. Thanks for sharing
@@birdlandnetwork83 I loved your video, by the way what is your personal feeling about pitchers like Luis Tiant and Mike Cuellar ?
@@Robert-qm5so Cuellar pitched for the Orioles of course and I think he was great for us. Tiant as well was great. The problem with any voting system is there are flaws. Not everyone is gonna get in and some that are borderline will and some that are borderline won't. It's a very subjective system
@@birdlandnetwork83 it's so shameful the way the HOF operates😔, thank you kindly for replying back to me 😊
@@Robert-qm5so my pleasure. Take Care.
Add Steve Garvey and Kirk Shilling.....11+12
good ones
Dick Allen is a head scratcher. Am I missing something? Did he do something controversial ? He has Cooperstown numbers. Love the list all those guys have Cooperstown numbers and all belong in the Hall of Fame. What are your thoughts on Curt Schilling. Dose he belong in Cooperstown ?
Curt Schilling definitely has a case. Great numbers.
Some sports writers didn’t like Allen.
@@fratzogmoparshis own mama didn't like him😂
His White Sox teammates loved him. Heard your mama loved him too.🤣@@Mr-Angelo0U812
Schilling is a monumental jackass, but on-field performance should put him in.
Dwight Evans, Steve Garvey & Dave Parker ahead of Dale Murphy & Louis Tiant as a Pitcher is at least Borderline.
Good list.
Larry Bowa. If Mazeroski and Ozzie Smith are in the Hall of Fame based on defense, then he should be also
Haven't seen Bowa's come up yet. Not sure I'd link him with Ozzie Smith. Smith has the highest defensive WAR ever with a 44.2 to go along with 13GG. Bowa's Defensive WAR is 19.1 which is 57th with 2GG. The comparison to Mazeroski I get but not Ozzie. Especially if we're talking defensive only. Plus this video isn't about whether or not they should be in the HOF. It's simply a list of the 10 best players NOT in the Hall, not if they deserve to be or not. Thanks for the comments.
Yes on Andruw Jones! Harold Baines was a professional hitter. But that's all he was.
Agreed
Murph was one of the best CF, also......He should be in HOF!!!!
Whether or not he should be in I won't argue. I just know he was pretty awesome.
Roy Hobbs?
LOL!! I love Roy Hobbs!!!
Got one for you...TED KLUSZEWSKI!...Between 1953-1957, he was BEST Total hitter in the National League!
FORGET DALE MURPHY!
Good player for sure. At least for a four year stretch.
Cool list - had to subscribe. I'm not an O's fan, Cubs actually. But what they did last season was amazing. And as a baseball fan, I think it's really cool to listen to what the true fans say. Hoping the O's have another great season (Anybody but the Yanks in the AL East!😂)
Thanks for the kind words. We'll be doing lots of stuff as well as Orioles. We're all about just having fun here. No controversy or problems. I do this channel because I love the Orioles and Baseball and Love to share that passion with other fans. Hope to see your comments in other videos.
@@birdlandnetwork83it's cool your an Orioles fan. Got a question for you. My dad passed away but he collected baseball cards and showed me once a card of Cal Ripken holding his bat & the bottom knob either said FU in initials or both full words i can't remember. Have you ever seen that baseball card?
Shoeless Joe my #1 with Rose #2 , and Clemens #3 , Bonds #4 and #5 would be Dick Allen , a very good 1st Baseman . The best American League player for two years.
Good list.
Bonds was great , I was a Griffey guy but you can’t deny he was great before his body and head swoll up. Best baseball story of the 80s had Pirates manager watching him and a skinny Bonds hit 5 consecutive hrs during batting practice in the spring and Leyland says anyone can pull 5 hrs so Bonds hit the next 5 to the opposite field and made the team out of spring training… I didn’t like him whatsoever but he 100% deserves to be in along with Clemens and Palmeiro. Today they seem to be inducting guys who’d never got a sniff 40 yrs ago and leaving out guys who did it for years. You being a Baltimore guy gotta ask if you believe the 1996 50 hr season of the sideburns was Met rx as he claimed or steroids? He was big and cut but not nearly as bulky but more than likely he did. Palmeiro cut his own throat with the finger pointing I’ve never speech then testing positive and disappearing.
Good Points. Definitely think Brady was on something, Had the one season of 50 and never came close again. Of course Davey Johnson hit like 45 for the Mets one year. That doesn't necessarily mean he was using. Love the conversation.
If you want the PED guys in the Hall of Fame, start a PED league and you won't be as bored with the rash of most major league teams today. The PED guys took baseball to it's ultimate popularity in history, and the owners were happy raking in all the money. When Jim Brown ruled the National Football League for nine years, nobody accused him of using any PEDs or anything else. He stood miles above any of his competition; some people are like that. Bo Jackson would have been one of those had he not got hurt...he'd be the only man who was capable of making both the baseball and football Hall of Fame ! Baseball has become so boring that a few more PED users would help the game. All Ped users don't always rise to the top of their sport; you still need talent !
I honestly can't agree. Jim Brown was head and shoulders above the rest but he didn't use PEDs these guys did. It's one thing to be accused of PEDs it's another to be found guilty or linked to them. I also don't agree that the game is boring. I absolutely love baseball because it's not all video game numbers. It's about pitching, defense, move runners over, get em in. strategy is back in the game it's not just about who hits the most home rungs. Baseball is such a hard sport. Nothing is harder in sports than trying to hit a baseball. That's why you can fail 7 out of 10 times and still be considered great. They were extremely talented I agree 100% but that wasn't enough for them. They wanted more so they used PEDs. Greed clouds judgement every single time!! I do agree with you on Bo Jackson. I saw him play. He was amazing.
Steroids should have it's own ticket in the hall of fame.
There are many that agree with you.
We'll call it The Hall of Shame
IDK if the omission of mention was intentional RE: Palmeiro & P.E.D.s but he's also not in the HOF bc of the infamous testimony in front of Congress where he lashed out (& wagged & point his finger in the process) by saying "I'VE NEVER DONE STEROIDS IN MY LIFE!!!!!". 5 months l8r, he was cited 4 P.E.D. use & suspended 10 games. Palmeiro then pulled a "mea culpa" & acted "remorseful" about it. That's probably the reason as 2 y he's been denied entry in2 Cooperstown.
Good points on Palmeiro
@@birdlandnetwork83 U betcha. Nvrthlss; Palmeiro was alrdy a gr8 player b4 all of the P.E.D. FBS. Then again, his conduct b4 Congress is the ONLY reason as 2 y Palmeiro's NOT a HOFer.
Lou Whitaker. He didn’t play nice with reporters and it cost him. He should have been first eligible in. Sweet Lou
Good Player for sure.
Manny with the PED was at the extreme end of his career. A Rod popped 2 times and it was still in his prime years like he said 2002 and 2003 he admitted that he used them during the mvp season. Dwight Evans should get a look amazing glove and arm had the most or close to most homerun in the 80's. Whittaker definitely. Schilling definitely. Clemons yes bonds yes. Rose and Jackson yes. Sheffield yes.
Raffy used and got caught his last season. Come on definitely deserves
Good list.
The list wasn't about who deserves or doesn't deserve to get in. It was just a list of 10 players I thought were the best who weren't in. Nothing more nothing less. Why they're not in is an argument for another day.
All the PED stars need a wing in the HOF because seriously…..You can give these current guys the juice now and they will NOT put up AROD or Bonds Numbers. Those guys are special.
Sad part is those guys didn't even need to use PEDs and they were special. Sad just sad!! Greed and Fame does that to people.
@@birdlandnetwork83Dave (King Kong) Kingman never needed any anything either back in the day to hit some incredible bombs.
Are Curt Shilliing and Tim Wakefield in the HOF? I liked both of them.
Neither are in the Hall of Fame. Wakefield just doesn't have the numbers. Good pitcher and was a knuckleball guy but not Hall of Fame worthy. Schilling on the other hand.....he had good numbers and was really close to getting in. He's off the ballot now (you have to get at least 5% of the vote to stay on the ballot and need 75% to be elected with 10yrs or you come off) because his ten years are up. Too bad. He got really close at 71%
Schilling was not voted in due to his conservative views. The voters are a liberal base of baseball writers not actual players. Would be nice if the voters could be your peers. People who play the game not just write about it.
@@arthurmcdermott3312 no system is perfect and even with the players i'm sure there will be complaints about ones voted in or not voted in. It's pretty much been this way from the beginning and for the most part they get it right.
Did anybody mention Mark McGwire? Incredible numbers.
Not many have mentioned him. Some have
@@birdlandnetwork83 Sosa and McGwire = The best home run race of all time. Fun to be a baseball fan that year
Incredible STEROIDS!! 😂😂😂😂💩💩💩💩😎
Palmeiro testified in front of Congress that he didn't juice. Right or wrong, that sealed his HOF fate.
I agree.
You should take the PED guys off your list, and Pete Rose for that matter. Everyone knows the obvious guys not in and why. Albert Belle had a dominant career, and he belongs on your list.
Thanks for the input but if you actually watched the video which I'm pretty sure you didn't, you'd know The video isn't about whether they should or shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. It's just a list of the 10 best players in my opinion that aren't in. Nothing more or nothing less. Belle was good but didn't make my list. H
Andruw Jones was an incredible player for the Braves. Once he left Atlanta his career went south and just wasn't at the same level, competitively speaking. I thought the veterans committee had Murphy in, to my chagrin Morris and Trammell got in on that ballot. Allen was eccentric and refused to play on teams he was traded to. Bonds, Clemens were no doubt incredibly successful in their careers, as was Palmiero, the PEDs were the downfall to those stories. Rose is just sad considering the state of sports gambling today. Even though Jackson took the money, his play in that Series wasn't wasn't evident on his involvement.
Very good thoughts.
Ummm...no, Manny Ramirez does not hold the Major League or American League record for RBI's in a season. That would be Hack Wilson and Lou Gehrig respectively.
Ummmm........thanks captain obvious. That is correct. Hack Wilson holds the record with 191. Manny isn't even in the top 10 all time for a single season. I didn't say he held the all time record for a single season. Either way the record is Hack Wilson. The way I said it definitely sounds like I meant all time but I didn't. Thanks for pointing out the possible error in the video.
A lot of players have similar totals to Dale Murphy and you're not in the Hall of Fame
I agree. I never actually said Dale Murphy belonged in the Hall of Fame. I actually didn't say any of the players on my list belong in the Hall of Fame. That wasn't the point of the video. It's just a list of the 10 best NOT in. Nothing more nothing less.
Pete Rose played briefly for the Montreal Expos before The Cincinnati Reds reaquired him to be player/manager.
Yes he did.
@@birdlandnetwork83and the Phillies
The Hall of Fame doesn't take in consideration on how a player affected the game outside the stats.
Fair point
“The Cobra” Dave Parker
His name has come up in the comments alot.
Big Pirates fan here. Thanks for lettin us beat you in 71 and 79
@@moelarrythecheese4507 not sure we let you beat us. We lost you won. Of course that was over 40yrs ago. Might wanna move on from those days. I guess as a Pirates fan you gotta be happy with the glory days because the current team......Well.....you know.
The numbers reflect the best choices for the HOF and these guys deserve to be there. Many of these players have 'warts', either accused of cheating, steroids etc. If the Hall needs to punish these guys by writing about their 'warts', then they should do so, along with their stats. Read my books, "The Hall of Fame Game Trilogy". In it I talk stats and 'warts', but in the end should be allowed in, based on numbers being the best in MLB, from the 19th Century to 2019, leading up to Shohei Ohtani's first couple of years in MLB (which weren't that impressive). Human beings make mistakes and those mistakes SHOULD be made clear to the public, but outside of murder, should be forgiven over time. Many lost reputations and respect as punishments for violations. If the Hall can't honor them traditionally with a special day, then write them in the HOF without special honors and mention their faults. From Shoeless Joe Jackson to Barry Bonds and Pete Rose.
Fair enough. Still don't feel they belong in the HOF but they were good players. Sad thing is they would have made it more than likely if they didn't use PEDs. I do believe in forgiveness but I also agree with consequences and rules. The rules state the voters decide who gets in and who doesn't. The voters have decided they don't belong in the Hall. That's the rules. If we don't like it we need to change it. As for numbers there is no dispute that the PEDS helped their numbers. Nobody in MLB history hits 73HR at age 36!! Not even close. Add to that 46 at age 37, 45 at age 38 and 45 more at age 39??? Those numbers weren't aided by PEDs? Of course they were!! Just my opinion. That being said the video isn't even about whether they should or shouldn't get in. It's just a list of my 10 best players not in.
@@birdlandnetwork83 I respect that. I'm not judging good or bad behavior. Players have been looking for an edge in the MLB, since the 1870's. It's why they still use hand signals. Some have already admitted to drug/alcohol abuse and also PEDs and have still been elected to the HOF. I like the ''Three Strikes and You're Out Rule'.
Wow, where have you been
Right here!! Welcome
C.mon. Where's Roger Maris?
Maris had three great years and the rest were ok, nothing special. Doesn't make my list.
Murphy was better than Harold Blaine’s and Mauer
Fair point.
How about Joey Albert Belle for a 10-year career almost 400 home runs in 10 years
Scary player for a decade for sure.
If Piazza is in, then EVERY 'roid user who is worthy should be in. I worked at Dodger stadium during his time there. He absolutely did steriods .
Well is you saw him do them first hand which I'm assuming you did because you worked there then I would agree. That said if you're just assuming he did then I can't agree.
Billy Wagner should be in just look at the stats.
Agreed! To be honest he'll probably get in next year
Lou Whitaker should be on your list….
I've been hearing that alot. Good player for sure.
The HOF used to be special but the writers fragile ego's have ruined it .
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Just Open PED / [Pete Rose] Wing of the HOF.... Problem Solved There Achievements Display But, * Asterisk
Many agree with your sentiment.
Call it the "Roger Maris Wing*"
Well other leagues like the NFL puts in 4 to 6 each year. Why doesnt MLB/ base hall of fame voters , have a minimum like 3-5 which must go in
They can vote for up to 10 players. Personally I like the fact that it's extremely hard to get in. It should be that way! It's the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Very Good. Mistakes have been made within the voting process no doubt but for the most part I feel the writers get it right.
How in the hell is Dale Murphy NOT in the Hall? I didn't know he got snubbed. If you grew up in the 80's you had Dale Murphy in your top 5 best players EVERY YEAR!!! Whether you liked him or not. He was just that good, you hated playing against him and loved him playing for ya! But, ya, Dale belongs in the Hall. Even more than anyone else on this. Clemens is 2nd. A guy who's NEVER admitted using steroids. Congress couldn't say he did. Just some idiot who was trying to take the attention away from himself. That's it, no one else. No other evidence. But, banned for life. TWO 20 strikeout games. 7 Cy Youngs. 6 TIME 20 game winner. Ya, SEVEN!!! Several seasons with CRAZY ERA'S!!! The rest of the guys who've been left out because of steroids I can TOTALLY understand, BUT not Clemens. He risked going to jail for a long time by testifying in front of congress and DENTING ALL STEROUD ALLEGATIONS AGAINST HIM!! But, people already didn't like him, and that was enough for them to exact a little revenge.
Murphy isn't in but he is an Awesome player and person. Clemens.....I won't get into it with you.
DEWEY, DEWEY, DEWEY!!!
his name has come up alot.
I think Richie Allen became an enemy of the writers
Could be
To many white sox fans too. He quit and our team's Hope's fell. Our owner wasn't rich and sold off all his best players that helped other teams get to the world series. The Yankees and the Dodgers. Loss : Rich Gossage, Terry Forster , Bucky Dent , Brian Downing.and our manager Chuck Tanner went to Pittsburgh and won in 79
He is mine. I loved him when he came to the White Sox in 72 by signing a 4 year contract and they were contending . Players got hurt in 73 and 74 and than he just quit , retired in the beginning September 74.. Contracts were coming up in 76,and 77 and the owner was not wealthy and saw FREE AGENCY COMING IN 1976. TRADED, VETERANS AND UP AND COMING SUPERSTARS. THE FORMER WHITE SOX HELPED THE 77, 78 YANKEES, 77,78 DODGERS AND 79 PIRATES TO THE WORLD SERIES. THE PIRATES HIRED OUR MANAGER
AL OLIVER!!!
Interesting pick
Manny Sanguillen, Rico Carty.
Interesting.
It’s been said that two thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third was covered by Andrew Jones.
LOL!! Good one
What about Curt Schilling?
His name has come up alot in the comments
Gee did you forget Pete Rose also played for the Montreal Expos
Very briefly and no I did not forget.
You have to release a second part because many players left who deserve to be named, such as: Gary Sheffield, Kenny Lofton, Billy Wagner, Visquel, Carlos Delgado, Beltran, Abreu and many more
Good list of players.
Absolutely agree that Lofton should be in. It's shameful that he was only on the ballot one year. He was one of the best lead off hitters in his generation, plus a superior defensive player and a fantastic base stealer. I hope that he gets a second chance.
Ken Caminiti
Manny is the best right handed hitter I have ever seen.
He's up there for sure.
As far as pete rose he should.be in. In today's world.and.all the.gambing.its. crazy. I do believe he didn't bet on his own team so put him in
He agreed to the lifetime ban. I respectfully disagree. He shouldn't be in. Which is sad because he was great.
I don't think writers should be picking who get in. How many games have they ever played in? Maybe retired coaches or someone who knows what it takes to play that level year in and year out. Not someone's who's hardest job is to spell someone's name right.
The writers have always been the ones to pick the Hall of Famers. For the most part they've gotten it right. Plus many of them have been around the game a very long time and know the game. You don't have to be a player or coach to recognize talent. The system is flawed I agree but I think they do a good job.
@birdlandnetwork83 when Willie Mays says A.Jones is the best center fielder he has ever seen but the writer's has it wrong. And Dale Murphy with two MVP plus what he did on and off the field and they still get it wrong. Some players on the list had or have off field problems these two are the best a person could be.
@@guyray1504Ok agreed!! Again....as I said before.....FOR THE MOST PART.....the writers get it right. There are far more players in or not in that they got right than players in or not in that they got wrong. Can't argue that point. Whether it's the writers, coaches, players or whoever there will be mistakes made. NO SYSTEM IS FULL PROOF!!
You forgot Rocky Colavito
Good Player.
Garvey is so deserving
The Padres retired his number, but the Dodgers didn't.
Lots of people have mentioned him
I agree I wonder is Ted Simmons in? His numbers for a catcher are great if he isn't
Career .357 in playoff games. That screams clutch