Richard Schenck Swing Philosophy
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- čas přidán 12. 03. 2024
- The baseball swing and specifically analyzing and teaching it is admittedly part science and part art. So it stands to reason that it’s somewhat subjective. I said somewhat! In my opinion what Teacherman is claiming is simply so far from true it just has to be called out.
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My son found teacherman online and I started watching with him. Now we do the same thing Richard did. We look at his swing side by side with bonds. Yup, it works very well. He went from a Judy to a consistent line drive hitter. What I have learned from watching though is this; Richard sees the HLP as an end all be all and I see it as a teaching tool.
Couldn't be happier for his success. The opportunity for a father and son to share time together is the greatest thing ever and way more important than what I talk about on my channel. Thanks for reminding me of that.
@@TheBaseballSwing the biggest thing I notice…. he is just practicing way more because he is trying to get his form correct. Those repetitions have helped a lot.
That’s great! Staying stacked for my son is the key, knob of bat at the catcher and staying connected produces good results.
I've generally been using teacherman's lessons to help me. I'm in an amateur league in Korea, and went from a 10 y/o swing to being #2 in the league in just 2 years. The ones on my team who struggle the most move forward and transfer their weight to their front leg. Just observing.
@themartialartsapproach8786 congrats on your success. To I imply my method of teaching the swing is simply moving weight onto your front leg is not accurate. Also, im quite sure if you were truly doing what Schenck preaches yiu would not be improving.
It’s also helpful to know what pitch is being thrown here. Are we seeing videos catching batters out front or not on inside zone and/or offspeed pitches. Fastball away would look different too.
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I agree. Timing and pitch location alter the impact position greatly. The ball tatis hits appears to be middle middle, trouts is down, Aaron's up, etc. And yes if the ball were in, you'd see the lead arm bend and disconnect from the chest out of necessity. This video represents a baseline swing and the mechanics that I believe work best and also to shed some light on TM's philosophy from my perspective. To that point, TM's method offers very little adjustability. Adjustability will need to be it's own video.
Look at Roberto Clemente and Ichiro Suzuki for some of the more forward foot hitters.
Also - I just had a thought - tell me what you think please - it seems that the forward lower arm essentially creates the plane of the bat; ie the bat is basically an extension of the lower leading arm, or you could say the ulna bone. So what if you think about getting that bone on plane with the ball- is that a good strategy? I'm trying to help my 9 yr old with his hitting. He's scared of the ball and he is swinging under it every single time.
So, I think you're on the right track with aligning the ulna and the bat. I would further that and include the upper arm into the lead shoulder. Not locked and tense. Just look for those to somewhat line up. It can be a challenge to get a 9 year old to comprehend all that. Also, I tend to tread lightly in talking mechanics with a player that young. I have had good results when encouraging them to have the intent to hit it hard. They usually find a way to make the bat move faster and they often find a way to sequence their body movements better mechanically through instinct. I also ignore balance to a large degree since most physically just aren't capable of it until around 12 at the earliest. I know it's not the help you were looking for but I've had more success just making sure it's fun for them and waiting until they are physically and mentally ready for instruction.
They also used heavier bats back in the day , not the tooth picks they use today. Swinging a bat with weight requires using your body more in the swing. Roberto Clemente used a 35.5 oz bat and was 175lbs soak and wet.
I also think Jaime Cevallos is on point with his theory about the swing, while most modern instructors teach to start from a stand still position stay on your back leg, video analysis from the great hitters show that they start with a slow move forward towards the pitcher while the arms do a backswing that brings the barrel down and finish with the powerful body rotation.
Hey Carlos. As I mentioned, Cevallos has had a great impact on my journey to understanding the swing and I'm glad to hear you're getting it. All my best and enjoy the ride.
Jaime has been a godsend for my kid. This schenk silliness is killing hitting.
@@ronbecker7939 I saw a video where Shenk teaches a seminar for 10 steps for the "Proper Swing" just non sense.
Glad to hear it. Jamie truly is the best.
Back leg pushes against braced front leg causing hips to rotate which cause the shoulders to rotate which brings the hands which start out near the rear shoulder around to the ball in a position like when an axe is against a tree when chopping a tree down!
See the picture in Ted Williams’ book!
William, Musial, DiMaggio , Berra had years where they hit more homeruns than they struck out and hit for very high averages!
They were doing something modern hitters are not taught to do!
Spend time looking at a spot on a wall and swing a bat 500 times a day and you will be great!
Stop wasting time doing hitting drills and piecing a swing together and hit the ball to center field and adjust from there!
Look for the fastball and learn to hit the other pitches by adjusting from the fastball like Pete Rose!
I worked with a famous hitting coach my draft yr and our workouts were right handed mini-bat drills. It was ‘Konerko’s drill’ forcing the right elbow in. Became a HR machine. Legs followed suit.
Hi Jeff. Thanks for your comment. I sense I'm missing something. Maybe I'm reading too deep into it, but is there a specific correlation between your experiences and what was talked about in the video that I'm not picking up on?
When you said "Rear legged launch, or whatever the hell this guy's talkin' about..." cracked me up. That's in the real meat and potatoes of this vid, starting about 8:01.
But I just discovered your channel through comments in the last Jamie Cevallos video. Been following him for a year or so now and you guys are definitely on the same wavelength. I look forward to your future uploads...just like his.
Yeah, it's so mind-boggling at times I kinda lose it and forget 10 year-olds might be watching. Positions and the basic science of athletic movement and experience from a former players perspective is all I offer. Jamie is coming at it with a mind that is on another level and sees things that others don't - including me. Thanks for dropping in
The clips you show are mostly guys stepping and keeping their weight back until the swing brings it through. I think you think those guys are transferring their weight into their front foot just because they step. Imagine stepping your front foot onto ice careful not to break it. The swing then shifts the weight and breaks the ice.
My son is outta college and we settled with Steve Englishbey. He's a mountain of information. He understands the swing and most importantly, he can physically demonstrate it.
Thanks. I'll check him out. Yeah, I gotta get in front of the camera again. I'm 60 now, so it's getting kinda tough. But it's nowhere near as bad as schenck.
What you don't understand, that rear lunch means you load at the back leg helps you start the swing like you see the pro players do. Rear leg turn and left shoulder up slightly makes elbow and wrist snap to keep barrel facing straightback and knob facing to the second base player. That's what makes pro players get in those positions. In to you try what Richard is teaching you will not understand. After Richard came out with these concepts, everybody else who had a CZcams channel helped change their concepts of the swing. No more swing down lead with the knob concept. They have been teaching American kids the wrong way for years. That's why many other countries are keeping up with us. Kids need to play more Pepper and bring your baseball glove to school. I am a ball player. I changed my style to Richard concepts it works for me, and it feels more comfortable.
First, I understand completely what TM is saying which is, by the way, different from what he demonstrates. You reference “like you see the pro players do” - none of them do what TM talks about. Zero. Just look at the players in the video I presented from all different eras and you’ll clearly see that. You also referenced no knob to the ball - exactly when did you hear me advocate taking the knob to the ball? You didn’t. So why is it in your comments? My philosophy is being misrepresented by you. You are correct that when Schenck came around, it created a massive movement from other instructors who jumped on board. Impressive feat, but it doesn’t make TMs method any more valid. It just means those instructors and you by extension are misinformed and going down the wrong path. A path that ignores principals of athletic movement, the kinetic chain and is not at all in line with what all the greatest hitters have done and do today. You said Schenck is only teaching the concepts of the swing. That is not accurate. He is teaching a point A to Point B system with no room for deviation that he made up based on Barry Bonds move. It’s amazing that even the poster child for his method doesn’t remotely do what he preaches. I doubt it’ll help, but you can look at my breakdown of Bonds and you will see what he is really doing. Zero snapping of the barrel. Zero. As to what am I saying that he is not teaching - Specifically nobody “snaps” the barrel. Even Judge doesn’t. Plenty of guys rehearse it in the on-deck circle, but their bodies simply won’t let them do it under the gun in a live AB. Also, nobody starts their “launch” in the 0 to 100 fashion he demonstrates. What he teaches defies physics, geometry, basic kinetic sequencing, and reality. Since you are a ball player and have found success using TMs method I’ll offer you this if you are willing to take on the challenge. Go to my site - thebaseballswing.com - upload your swing and I’ll break it down…no charge. I can almost guarantee you that what you’re doing that’s allowing you to have success is not what Schenck is teaching. I’ve worked with plenty of TM groupies and it’s always the same thing - they have left over good qualities in their swing and they are athletic enough to compensate on the fly and that’s what saves them. Point is, they’re not hitting as well as they could be. Step up, let’s do this.
correct he does not do what he demonstrates. The back leg.transfer energy at foot plant . Why would a force plate record energy transfer. What happens to pitcher backside ground force at foot plant.
Isn’t it the age old debate: “Do you stride & hit? Or, do you stride then hit?” Perhaps, both can be used, depending on the hitter, for them to obtain a certain degree of balance while turning the barrel, or to “slot” the bat properly, to use your term, and driving through the pitch.
Trout is one of the best hitters of this era and he drags his back leg through. He doesn’t do this silly swing off the back leg. He drives his hip and back leg through with plenty of quickness. Those saying you ain’t hitting a good fastball that way are nuts
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Rich will say Trout is using the HLP concept and it is clearly not. It’s where all these gurus lose credibility with me. Just not seeing the movements correctly.
@@christophernowak13 exactly. The guy tries to demonstrate the movement yet he is off balance every time. Yes he’s old and overweight but at least try to maintain some sort of balance. Swinging off your back leg is very uncomfortable. I tried it. Yo u need to drive off that leg Rich is another clown who found a little niche and ran with it for views.
Not quite what you are talking about, but I seem to remember Yastrzemski, later in his career, switched to a stance where he rocked. He started with his weight on his front foot. It let him wait to load his back leg.
Yes I recall Yaz and that move. It's those subtle things and movements that are not even mentioned in hitting instruction nowadays. Many instructors are point A to point B and are stripping their students of being able to incorporate any subtle feels and movements that potentially can make a huge difference in their success. Take Matt Olsen for example. He does the important things well but gets there in a unique way while loading up. That's not allowed according to the hitting guru community. I think too many swing coaches get caught up in making their videos sound like they're smart and in line with the popular trends. It's not helping players it's about their likes and subs I guess
We've had a lot of success with HLP, especially when my kid was 12/13 (is 14 now), playing up and swinging wood and BBCOR. He has since started tilting too much and hitting more fly-balls. However, that's something we can fix. When HLP is on it does help a lot with timing and hitting singles/doubles....sometimes a triple if on a big field. Trouble is with Teacherman - sometimes he contradicts himself, but if you keep it simple with coil and swivel it can be an easy to learn and effective swing.
Trouble is a lot of youth orgs hate it too, so then they want to change it. :) However, with an open mind and just listen/watch - the basics are easy for youth players to pick up.
Glad to hear you guys are enjoying the game together. Clearly I think Schenck has created a poor system etc, but I'd be cautious about little league coaches, the "pro" at a local facility or any number of these gurus online are exposing. Much of what I've seen is almost counter productive or at the most incomplete. I'd be happy to share some thoughts, no charge, if you'd like. Just go to my site, thebaseballswing.com and send along your sons swing and I'll go over it
@@TheBaseballSwing IMHO, discussing baseball swings is better in person with beers...water...tea....but I fully understand what you're saying on all aspects.
He posted a video of Bonds with a box drawn around him - with almost no space between Bonds and the lines of the box. Bonds swings and never moves outside the lines.
Thanks for your commen. I'm sure he did. And bonds to an extent swings like teacherman teaches but not entirely. Definitely loads on his back leg and pretty much stays there but there is no snapping of the hands and there is plenty of rotation. My whole point in this video is aside from bonds and judge none of the best hitters swing that way. Zero. Yet he claims "all the greats" did. He could not be more off the mark
💯 Gwynn, Rose, Carew, Boggs, all of these elite contact hitters do not “snap”. This is an all or nothing swing design IMO.
I don't think anyone is 100% correct in how they iterate what's happening. Like Tom House used to say when he was coaching Nolan Ryan and The Big Unit Johnson. It doesn't really matter how you say what you're trying to get across, did the guy you're coaching understand it and did it make something click for him? I'm paraphrasing here, because Tom House said something along those lines in his interview lol. But I will have to say, when Dick Teacherman said that these players are launching from the rear leg and "coiling" in their hips, he's correct. The launch isn't the completed swing, the launch is the beginning of the release of pent up energy in the load up. Which is coming off that rear leg/ hip load, almost as a pivot point or a coil as he explains it.
Thanks for the great insight. Tom House is a special one for sure. Your point about the player untimely benefitting as a means by which effectiveness is judged could not be more spot on. Teachermans' contention that the swing of all the greats is "launched" from the rear leg is not accurate, in my opinion, because to me, "launching" the bat is when the hitters intent is to move the bat into the zone. Judge launches it when coiled into his rear hip he tilts the bat into the zone. He does not, nor does anyone else "snap" the barrel like Teacherman describes into the zone. I agree that the release of energy in the baseball swing could be misinterpreted once a player unwinds to begin the move to the ball. I contend that because all the greats unwind their hips while moving forward while they are still gaining stretch by slotting the bat and leaving the hands back that the real launch doesn't happen until the body begins rotating to square the barrel. Teachermans entire philosophy is based on 0-100 totally ignoring any sort of kinetic principal. Nobody has ever swung like that. He totally ignores what bonds and Judge are actually doing. The rear hip coil serves to create speed and almost set the tempo for what comes after, as I described with slotting, creating a stretch, and turning the barrel to the ball. Make sense?
@@TheBaseballSwing Yeah I agree with you. I think he's misinterpreting what's happening as well. I see hitters doing the arm over chest, coiled up with top hand elbow back and when they lead with the should they drop that elbow in place and it looks like their "snapping" like teacherman says, but they're not actually doing that. I tested the Barry Bonds swing today and he's definitely not snapping. He's actually using his top hand to lower the bat a little then using his lower hand by leading with his shoulder to bring that bat around. He does the most unconventional method of batting I've ever heard of and used but it works.
@@youcanthandlethetruth6976 To say Bonds only succeeded because he was juiced to the gils and super talented would be a cop-out, but I agree he has a bit of a ununique move and certainly not the poster child for what I talk about. My contention is not that your dead in the water if you like hanging on the back leg, Reggie did it, David Ortiz too. In fact it probably buys you a fraction of time to see the pitch longer, just saying there are trade offs.
Think some of those guys were rear legged or maybe it's better to say "rear hip loaded". But it's true that many great hitters were not rear legged like Aaron Griffey and Mays. I think his reply is that they'd have trouble hitting the fastballs these days. His main points that I like is that he hyper prioritizes one move (everything coils then releases at once) and getting the bat moving behind you and not pushing. "Launch quickness" is his thing and the logic is that you get more time to judge the balls without sacrificing power
Judge is doing a Basic little league contact hitting swing... due to physical size, Judge hits the baseball out the park... Teacherman technique will make it simpler for players to hit decent outfield drives... I don't think the batting style will help players of average physical traits, at the higher levels of baseball ⚾
Agreed
teacherman sucks at talking about the swing he teaches. He has pretty good drills that teach it for him. All of the things he says about legs and tilting instead of rotating etc is really about using the lower body to support the revolutionary change to the way the hands generate bat speed. Snapping the bat down instead of swinging it around generates much better bat speed more quickly, but you can't get the bat on a good plane without changing your lower-body motion to be a pelvic tilt instead of rotate. So all the "debunking" focused on what you're doing with your legs ignores the reason why he teaches that lower-body movement.
Hi Dan. I agree that the TM method of snapping the barrel gets the bat behind the ball quickly. I also believe that it's a compromise that creates many negative things as a result. Falling rearward, thus losing power and stability. Your head and eyes get tilted and thrown all over the place. It zaps the ability to truly drive the ball to the opposite field. The list is endless. Because of his size and strength, Aaron Judge can Iiterrally slice balls out of the yard.
I personally think that his snap the wrists thing is just a bit of an exaggeration to teach a feel. Most great hitters tilt the bat forward right before the swing which essentially means that they snap their wrists to some degree to get the bat to whip back. I always had a bat tilted forward stance when I was a kid and I never really thought about the wrist whip that I feel because of that until Richard started talking about that. It was always just a natural thing for me, but now that I help with little league teams, I notice the kids that don't do it and they tend to be the weaker hitters.
@@povertygarage705 The bat tip you're describing was way more prevelent in the game in the 20's - 50's when heavier bats required a kind of kick start to get the motion going, but has always been around. You're correct by tipping the bat forward like a Bonds, Gary Sheffield, Ted Williams, Ruth etc. makes the hitter want to sling it back and flatten the barrel. The problem with turning the barrel back towards the catcher like Schenck talks about is the barrel isn't flattening to get on plane with the pitch - instead it creates an arc that ultimately sends the bat in a steep circle where the bat is in the zone and out of the zone quickly. You should take a look at my video What is Barrel Depth - czcams.com/video/ah0xnHOVuzA/video.html - it address this topic specifically.
With a wide stance that is a no stride approach?
Kind of. When a hitter sets up wide, they will typically have to stride less or not at all to get to their preferred width to launch the bat. But there is still coiling and a weight transfer when not striding. Take a look at David Wright who was noted for his no stride method of hitting
What about a preloaded hiptwist?
Not 100% sure what you're asking but as a general rule "motion" is not something to be avoided in a swing. In fact motion allows a player to get started in a athletic and power building way. Schencks method ignores this principal altogether and actually suggest that hitter gets to a "loaded" position and stops only to abruptly start again by "snapping"
What all these guys have in common is the front foot is down, front leg straight brace, rear hip fires and their head moves tops 3” forward. The less you move your eyeball computer, the better your timing and striking will be. I think there are problems with teachermans technique. The weight is too far back, the encouragement of a shoulder dip is unhelpful and if you lean back your front side flies out and you hit pop ups, fouls and strike out a ton like Judge. Judge hits his best when he dips less and focuses hitting to right center.
Different ball locations and timing give you different swings. Video's can lie if your not careful, but i do agree you move a little forward before launch just not too much.
Very valid point. It's not a golf swing where a video by in large will tell the story
You have to understand what Rich calls hip socket separation.
The leg with the coil / twist on it wants to untwist.
The hip being pulled on by the back is resisting the untwist and release of the legs energy.
That's the separation inside the hip socket that teach a man talks about. The ball of the rear femur versus the hip socket and the separation between the two.
Most of the movements you are talking about are not conscious movements. The only conscience movement is the pullback against the leg and the torque applied into the handle by the forearms and hands.
I'm sure most haters of TM will eventually concede that his teachings are just another useful tool in learning how to hit at an elite level. When I hear or even see some of my old heros in action I am amazed at what they were able to accomplish not knowing as much as we know today. The one thing that gets me the most is how many old batters travel to the ball. It is not a long distance travel but not the less a travel. When I say travel I mean someone whos center mass goes to the ball in often a smooth, timed and powered movement. What I see today is minimal travel towards the ball and a bat path that you don't see in videos from the past hitters. I used to question when the greats would say the bat should travel downward so the balls goes up. That is not what I see and I would hope you would also say the same.
Many great points. Specifically, the bat moving in a straight line down to the ball like a-rod talks about. He didn't do it, nor did anyone else. However, I disagree that Schencks' methods or part of them will be adopted into a theory that will be helpful. His stuff is everywhere and either copied completely or to some extent, adopted into a coaches teachings. Schenck uses words like elite, high level, and all the greats. I don't think he's lying or trying to brain wash anyone, I think he may actually believe what he's saying. Either way, he constantly is off the mark. For instance, he talks about Barry Bonds snapping the barrel back by supination his wrist around his made up pivot point. That's not at all what's happening. Bonds barrel does not go backwards, it flattens towards the dugout behind him and because he s rotating simultaneously it appears to be headed slightly towards the catcher. Additional it's not Bonds actively roting his wrist around his forearm that moves that bat in that way...it moves in reaction to his upper body rotating being so fast while his hands are lightly gripping the bat. I could point to virtually everything he says and debunk it because not only does it fail the eye test, it is not supported by the kinetics and science of the most basic rules of athletic motion. There once was a popular instructor talking about squashing to bug. It too didn't add up and just disappeared
👍I mostly agree. Shenck has based all his geometry/theory on 1 video of Barry Bonds. Problem is that Bonds is over 6' and on "the cream". Bonds was explosive from a casual batting stance. Technique varies from each person. Shenck's theory will only work well for power hitters with tremendous tricep, lat, and trap muscle strength while hitting 90mph pitches. Most ball players don't fit this profile, or use hgh and steroids.
i believe teachermans path complicates a process that occurs naturally through the kinetic chain and loose hands. the torque applied to hands holding a bat produces an end load on the hands, and as the bat is pulled through the zone with the arms staying connected produces what he perceives as actively whipping the hands. As far as the flamingo approach to hitting... i can't see the logic other than as a neurolgical training cue to stay on axis to keep the head quiet and still. long story short, i gave teacherman a chance and open mind, but i agree with you.
I agree. Great point about loose hands. I don't mention it enough. Thanks for the reminder. Such a key to maximizing the effect of the kinetic chain. Golfer Sam Snead once said your grip pressure should be like you're holding a bird,,,you can't let it fly away, but you also can't crush it.
Agreed. He uses Aaron Jidge as an example of it working while Jidge will hit a ball far with a wiffle bat
The weight stay around virtually the rear leg. That the point
Man have you ever looked at Jamie cevallos “the swing mechanic?” Amazing work man
Jamie has had a huge impact on how I teach. Very special mind.
I agree look at all the small power hitters
Also I think Dick Teacherman's opinion of "Great Hitters" is highlighting different players during different eras. He likes highlighting Barry Bonds, because Bonds wouldn't have his front leg planted before he started his swing in most cases. He would almost always start his swing off his rear leg. I think if he saw a great hitter start his swinging after his front leg was planted, it would be counted as a improper swing, maybe a bad timed swing. But you can clearly see in every hitters load up, they favor that back hip/leg. So there's something to say for that observation. I believe with all the motion sensor technology we have, there should be a recording of the minute movements that are happening so we can clear the air with facts.
Outstanding and very valid comments in my opinion. Also, great respect for Tom House. I agree that after all players load, the move forward does, in fact, begin the release of energy. What I'm suggesting is that the forward move is also creating a stretch across the lower and upper back as the hands stay behind. The tension is still building, and consequently, the swing has not been launched. Rather, the rear hip coil is being used to propel the forward movement, creating the stretch while the barrel flattens, and then the swing is launched. TM,s system does not allow for the bat to slot onto the plane with the pitch, which is why it necessitates this made-up move, snapping, that nobody actually does as he teaches it. To me, Bonds, Reggie, Big Poppy, etc. all skip the forward move and swing around their rear legs. I don't think this is a particularly bad thing. Provided they get enough room with their hand back towards the catcher a bit. Again, thanks for adding your insightful thoughts
Forgot to mention. The swing of Trout is a pitch I believe he was early on, which leads to a pretty forward position. To me, this is not ideal, but it also speaks to the adjustability of his mechanical approach. Miguel Cabrerra often got to this position and would wait and when he felt the time was right, he'd just turn the palm up and swing. Not a game of perfect.
@@TheBaseballSwing yeah I understand your argument about the rear snapping. I'm not sure that the great hitters are doing that either. What I think is happening is a combination of what he said about the rear leg and hip, and what you said, which is the elbow tucking into the hip area and the other arm across the chest and leading with the shoulder and then uncoiling into a somewhat arcing motion. He demonstrated that the snap was with the wrists/hands but I think it's brought down with the elbow tucking into the hip region, which is what I'm going to practice with my Godson during this season.
Teacherman philosophy is snapping the bat backwards, which no one does. Can it work? Yes with the right pitch (middle). Pitchers dont throw the ball where you want it.
Ok....here is something never bring up.....bonds swings a relatively short bat for a big leaguer.....he stands closer to the plate then most.....he waits longer and swivels more compact!
All true, and they have a cause and effect on what he does mechanically. Wish I had mentioned it. Great pick up.
They all put the wait to the rear leg hello.
Yes, they do. What happens from there is a direct contradiction to Schencks words - "all the greats launch THE BARREL from their rear leg." THE BARREL. What really happens is they move weight forward while lowering the bat barrel, and then they launch the barrel into the zone by rotating their core. Have another look and see if any of them begin moving the barrel into the zone while on their rear leg.
People who follow teacherman are like people who do CrossFit … they do all the same exercises as everyone else, but live in this self-reinforcing vacuum where they think everyone else is wrong … especially the parents who never played baseball past little league, yet are their son/daughters new hitting consultant 😂. Teacherman and about 100 other hitting coaches have analyzed Bond’s swing in slow-motion and believe they all have a monopoly on what made him successful.
"While he's moving forward, the bat is slotting" is what you say many times... this is exactly what he teaches. You keep mentioning a forward move and he teaches that as well. As long as the barrel is moving rearward before the front foot is down, is what he means about being one legged. The Mike Trout example looks very much to be on an off speed pitch and his launch of the barrel obviously does not begin until his front foot is down and Richard also talks about this in relation to adjustability.
Yes. Trout, it appears, is a bit fooled and out in front. I should've mentioned that and emphasized because had he launched the bat like schenck wants he'd be falling away from the ball. Unless you have the wingspan of an Aaron Judge you've got no shot at hitting that pitch. A key here is Schencks method of "sliotting" the bat is not a slot. Its snapping the barrel on an extreme verticle plane. I'd suggest you be careful when listening to schencks words. They often don't represent what he's demonstrating. Quite often. He mentions words like connected then has Judge hitting balls off a tee 2 feet in front of himself creating the most disconnected swing of all time.
@TheBaseballSwing the problem with the internet is you're only getting part of the information. He in no way promotes a method of snapping/slotting that puts the bat on an extreme vertical plane. This is simply not a factual statement. Statistically Trout has one of the most vertical bat paths in the MLB. You promote slotting the elbow tight to the hip to help stay connected. I can shown you video after video where this often doesn't take place on outside pitches. I'd suggest you do more research...
I'm gonna stick to the facts for now and ignore your misinformed smart ass remarks. Do more research? For over 50 years I've played (professionally by the way), coached, and otherwise been involved with the game. That's my research. Research alone doesn't make one astute. Example one is Richard Schenck. That said, you combine slotting and snapping and they are not close to the same thing yet based on your comment you seem to think they're interchangeable. Slotting is is a lowering of the barrel in an effort to get it on plane with the pitch. Snapping is a made up move that no player actually does in their game swing. Additionally when you see schenck demonstrate it open your eyes - it sends the barrel straight towards the ground hence the vertical ferris wheel swing plane. Very factually accurate. Nows about the time you open your mind up and start learning or you try and figure out how you can save face and reply with more inaccurate nonsense. Moving on. Trouts bat path is steep why? Cause he snapped his barrel? Prefers to swing on a ferris wheel? No and no. It's because he tilts his shoulders on a very steep plane and then like all the greats swings around his body/spine angle. Finally slotting the elbow "in line with" not tight to the right side or hip. Big difference. Your commitment to schenck and/or your beliefs is good by me. You stepped right up and told me what you think. Again good deal. If you're fuming right now and can't wait to even the score go right ahead. But that's not gonna help you improve which should trump just about everything. Keep the fire but control it or it's gonna turn on you. Let's go!
@TheBaseballSwing Not sure why you are so angry... my remark concerning do more research pertains to your lack of understanding about what the snap means to Richard and thinking Richard promotes a vertical bat path, you are wrong about that. He promotes a simple pivot around the forearm and getting on plane is a result of posture, or a combination of rotation, slotting, hip hinge and tilt. My remarks are not misinformed or of the smart ass nature, you clearly don't understand what Richard teaches. I'm not saying you dont have hitting knowledge or experience, I'm simply saying you don't understand what Richard is teaching and you won't unless you do more research about HLP. I never even said I agree with Richard, I simply know more about what he actually teaches than you do. How many hours have you personally spent with him... zero! I am not combining slotting and snapping, you stated that Richard promotes the slotting of the bat by snapping. Once again you are misinformed. He does not promote this. I'm well aware of what slotting and getting on plane is. Do you think one slots by driving the elbow toward the hip, or is the rotation of the pelvis combined with hip hinge, tilt and thoracic rotation what actually slots the elbow? Once again, you stated the rear elbow stays tight or in line with the hip and this is simply not always true. Yes, when Richard demonstrates the snap, the barrel is sent straight rearward and toward the ground, however this demonstration is rarely in posture and from the launch position, it's demonstrated from an upright posture without any coil, hip hinge, load or stretch. When it comes to hitting my mind is very open, and don't flatter yourself thinking I need to save face when having a simple online conversation with you about hitting. When did I say Trout or any other players snaps the barrel, I didn't. I have no commitment to Richard what so ever. My responding to your video was simply to let you know you don't know what Richard teaches. I didn't say what he teaches is correct, nor did I say you personally aren't knowledgeable about hitting. I've yet to watch any other content you've posted. And to think I'd be fuming over you and this discussion is simply arrogant...
A couple of things. You came here watched the video and believe I dont understand what Schenck is doing. All fair. But you end your first comment with I suggest you do some research. Who's arrogant? You suggest my statements are factually inaccurate based on you're misunderstanding of if Schencks entire system and your inability to even recognize or address Mike Trout simply tilting his spine angle instead if dropping his arms to get to a low pitch. These are key things you repeatedly gloss over to defend your point. Your inability to understand the most obvious things like schenck tilting, snapping action creating a vertical bat path is why I keep coming back at you. Bottom line is I took this way too personal. I'm not completely happy with my tone when addressing you. And I could have reacted better when you told me to do some research. As for my thoughts about the swing stuff, there is n I thing I'd change. You're welcome to have the last word. Good luck
He teaches the Ferris wheel swing which is the arm bar that creates that bat path.
Not the Judy pushy swing out in front out on the front foot swinging way out in front leaving the phone booth which takes more time to launch the barrel
Launch quickness is his game pitchers are getting faster and catchers are framing pitches.
Two types of swings
Upper cut launch the barrel from the rear leg weight back snap rearward from the rear leg launch quickness is faster like that or swing down from the front foot.Thats why he got that launch quickness app ready at release.
Juan Soto check swang and hit a Homerun lol
Aaron Judge arm bars it's a faster launch to catch up to the fast ball.
If your early then the hands and arm bar drift out in front away from the body especially if it's an offspeed pitch batters have to make up for the difference .
His weight shifts back farther to give him more time to get in the zone deep and to let the ball travel more to be able to recognize the pitch teaching batters not to jump the gun to early weight back launch the barrel from the rear
Big pappi talks about lining up the back side weight on the back foot and not to sqoosh the egg on the front foot
Everything slows down and it gives you more time to release the barrel
It's kind of hard to launch the barrel on your front leg.
This is why he says they launch the barrel from the rear leg.
The back knee turns as the barrel is launch at the same time while the weight is on the back foot.
The pitcher wants to get you on your front foot.
Rear ward snap stops that from happening which is snapped from keeping your weight back
“Move forward “ does not equal “shift weight forward”
So you really think I don't understand the difference between, say, David Wright or Barry Bonds pawing out their lead leg but not really transferring much weight and Mike Trout or Hank Aaron actually moving weight into the hit? Have another look at my examples. I point out how jackson does not transfer a lot of weight while the others do. Stick around and learn a little something or create your own breakdown and talk your nonsense.
Schenke thinks he came up with something novel in the swing and his dogma is just beyond reproach. The body naturally organizes itself to be mechanically efficient. Imagine swing a golf club or chopping down a tree with the weight on rear leg. That’s not to say that baseball mechanics can’t be refined. But what Schenke extrapolates to all mlb hitters is wrong, and just a shiny new object in the hitting world for parents looking for answers.
Wow, I'm sitting here mapping out a follow-up video and I'm thinking EXACTLY the same thing. It's like the entire community was starving for anything to grasp onto. Unfortunately, we got a guy that talks about this mystical pivot point where the wrist rotates around the forearm magically when you force UT to happen. What? I'm pretty sure Rich, that's just being palm up at impact, and it's something that happens automatically once a player turns 3. His success , next to us landing on the moon, may be the single most amazing thing that I've experienced in my lifetime.
There is no human that can put his weight on his back leg and at the same time lift it off the ground.
Unless you believe the S on supermans chest stands for Schenck...you are correct
I agree with this video absolutely. What “teacher man” preaches will ruin 95% of kids swings.
😂 Teacherman is Arron Judge's hitting coach. Arron was hitting 170 Avg before meeting Rich. Now he is making 360 million for 9 year. This guy's only successful player was MLB player that fail. Then went to Rich and had his most successful year with 30 home runs 😂 this is what u call a jealous guy that has never played baseball at a high level.
@@WehateBiden very few kids will be 6’8” 270 is my point. I just disagree wholeheartedly with what he teaches. Wish the best to judge.
@@KING_DAVID80 Mookie Betts, Kerry Carpenter and Ian Happ.... u have no point. 🥱
What Richard teaching doesn't mean you can go forward. He's only teaching the concept of understanding the swing. Of course, you have to go slightly forward. Somehow, it depends on the person or your experience. They are different styles. What you are saying is not what he is teaching.
First, I understand completely what TM is saying which is, by the way, different from what he demonstrates. You reference “like you see the pro players do” - none of them do what TM talks about. Zero. Just look at the players in the video I presented from all different eras and you’ll clearly see that. You also referenced no knob to the ball - exactly when did you hear me advocate taking the knob to the ball? You didn’t. So why is it in your comments? My philosophy is being misrepresented by you. You are correct that when Schenck came around, it created a massive movement from other instructors who jumped on board. Impressive feat, but it doesn’t make TMs method any more valid. It just means those instructors and you by extension are misinformed and going down the wrong path. A path that ignores principals of athletic movement, the kinetic chain and is not at all in line with what all the greatest hitters have done and do today. You said Schenck is only teaching the concepts of the swing. That is not accurate. He is teaching a point A to Point B system with no room for deviation that he made up based on Barry Bonds move. It’s amazing that even the poster child for his method doesn’t remotely do what he preaches. I doubt it’ll help, but you can look at my breakdown of Bonds and you will see what he is really doing. Zero snapping of the barrel. Zero. As to what am I saying that he is not teaching - Specifically nobody “snaps” the barrel. Even Judge doesn’t. Plenty of guys rehearse it in the on-deck circle, but their bodies simply won’t let them do it under the gun in a live AB. Also, nobody starts their “launch” in the 0 to 100 fashion he demonstrates. What he teaches defies physics, geometry, basic kinetic sequencing, and reality. Since you are a ball player and have found success using TMs method I’ll offer you this if you are willing to take on the challenge. Go to my site - thebaseballswing.com - upload your swing and I’ll break it down…no charge. I can almost guarantee you that what you’re doing that’s allowing you to have success is not what Schenck is teaching. I’ve worked with plenty of TM groupies and it’s always the same thing - they have left over good qualities in their swing and they are athletic enough to compensate on the fly and that’s what saves them. Point is, they’re not hitting as well as they could be. Step up, let’s do this.
Let's all take a step back. This seems like some kind of political debate where both sides are dug in and not understanding everything. TM does not say to swing without putting your front leg down. He is saying to not shift your weight and then swing. His is saying to keep your weight back with a controlled stride forward/load and then launch when you need to to hit the ball. There are basically two things he is saying: 1) Load up early, with a controlled stride and 2) Get barrel depth. Don't push the bat through the zone with your hands. Here is one question: 1) Is there something wrong with loading and being ready to swing when the pitcher pitches the ball? TM also teaches at bat launch to snap the bat rearward to get depth with the barrel in the zone. It looks like all the players in the video are getting the barrel depth and getting the barrel into the hitting zone early. They are not pushing the bat through the zone with their arms. Do all great hitters load early and then get the barrel in the zone early? Are these two worlds that are being discussed that far apart?
While I understand your comparing this to a political debate, this is not Globalists vs. Libertarians. Not remotely. This is a group of people that simply believe in TMs ™ methods. No problem. My frustration is this - I’ve been told to do research, told I don’t understand what teacherman is saying etc. The reality is some of these people have a basic understanding of athletic motion, kinetics and the swing in general - some are beyond helping without getting them up to speed on a multitude of things. I’m aware that this on the surface is an arrogant claim, but the reality is I understand TMs philosophy and the swing in general at a much deeper level than anyone who has commented here. My failure in all of this is I’ve gotten combative, but still haven’t managed to explain “the why” behind my claims well enough for all to understand. Not agree with, just enough to have pause. That pause may be enough to help them at some point.
That said, let me give you some examples of what I mean when I say TMs method is not good and even counter productive. You just explained to me how you interpret TMs method. Let’s start with your question about loading early - It’s a good thing, even beyond that, getting coiled into the rear hip is also on point. Get barrel depth. Here’s where Schenck, you in turn, and all the people commenting here telling me to do research start to have issues. You hear barrel depth and don’t really bother to define what it is. Barrel depth is more a matter of leaving behind yout hands or lengthening the distance between the knob of the bat and your lead stride foot. This is what creates the stretch in your core that leads to stored energy. Basic kinetics. Ground up. The way all the great players in this video do it. Remember Schenck said “all the great players Launch THE BARREL from their rear leg. No, none of them do. Only he does. And to a lesser extent Judge. I did a review of Barry Bonds, the inspiration for his his swing theory and yes he hangs back a bit and certainly rotates around his back leg. But he in way snaps the barrel or tilts or does anything shcenck talks about. Turning the barrel closer to the catcher while simultaneously tilting your back shoulder down towards the ground while on one leg does nothing but release potential energy way too soon. It defies kinetics. Ask yourself how adjustable can you be when you’re committing the barrel so early? Additionally, despite what some have commented here, this also creates an unnaturally steep bat path. Your bat now moves on a very vertical path, unless you compensate, while your body weight is moving away from the very thing you want to deliver energy into. TMs theory is done right here. But it goes on and he doubles down with other tips and thoughts. Have you ever heard Schenck explain his magical discovery that the top hand and wrist rotates around the forearm ie: the “pivot point?” This move should almost never be addressed because all it accomplishes, in reality, is it gets your palm-up at impact. Kids in T-ball get palm-up by instinct. Why does he mention this as a cornerstone of his method when it’s virtually inconsequential cause it’s gonna get there anyway? What he does advocate is doing this immediately as part of his snapping action which now takes a motion that almost always happens naturally and on time and he has made it a focal point and created a problem because he’s saying to do it out of sequence, “forcing” it too early. I don’t hate Schenck, I don’t know him. But the purpose on my channel is to help hitters and if Schenck has to be called out in order to do that, so be it. I could go on forever on this and provide a ton of reasons/explanations on the ineffectiveness of what teacherman talks about - I can’t do it to you.
Despite my instincts, I am capable of seeing different perspectives and even learning from them over time. It’s just difficult to look at this as anything, but what it is. Kinda black and white. My opionion. Truly thanks for your thoughts
Two things: 1. All the great hitters turm their back leg toward the pitcher when they swing. No matter if TM says rotate from the back leg or not, in general it is the same result. 2. It sounds like you are getting barrel depth in a different way. I don't understand how you are getting barrel depth and flattening the swing. Do you have a video?
@@mikepeterson8257 Hi Mike - Great question about “Barrel Depth.” This perfectly makes my point about most Schenck believers not understanding what he is saying and claiming that I don’t - And Schenck is wrong again. Here’s why. Barrel depth is basically a made up term and why you may hear it from other instructors is because they also are not understanding what’s going on. They’re copying Schenck maybe because of his popularity. Not sure but words are important and these 2 should go away. Barrel depth simply means getting the bat barrel on a collision course with the incoming pitch early and deep in the zone. Schencks method does this. The key here is how it comes about. In Schencks method the hitter is on their rear leg and they simultaneously tilt their back shoulder down, snap the barrel back towards the catcher, which is really throwing the barrel down towards the ground as it progresses, and thus creating a steep angle of attack. What happens from there is the bat comes into the zone steep and then goes out steep - quickly. Kinda like the letter V - an exaggeration for sure, but that’s the idea. See my Aaron Judge video where I show that with his new swing he is in and out of the zone fairly quickly. Not to beat a dead horse, but this only doing what Schenck preaches half way. It’s going to get worse if he keeps at it.
The term I use is Planning the Bat which refers to getting the bat on plane with that of the incoming pitch - early. An MLB fastball descends maybe at an angle of 4-6 degrees. Consequently, the bat should be ascending at roughly 4-6 degrees These numbers are just a baseline and starting point, but by in large it's accurate. The barrel of the bat in my method is on plane prior to entering the hitting zone. Also prior to it actually getting in line with the incoming ball. Look at my review of Corbin Carrol around the 1 minute mark and I explain this concept and it will probably be a lot clearer while you see it happening in a video.
czcams.com/video/OoHXZU2RNbk/video.html
Please let me know if this is making sense to you. It is important I find a way to communicate this type of thing to people. Otherwise I’m not helping anybody. Knowledge is a big key to improving as a hitter and it usually doesn’t come easy or fast - I have to show more patience.
You picked 8 players that have swings that match your point of view and I couldn't help but notice that you left Barry Bonds out.
Hey Dan - Thanks for your contribution.
If you truly want to learn, hang around. If you’re just interested in digging in and defending Schenck, the following won’t be helpful for you. Challenging me and dissent is welcome, just be ready to learn - I am.
Bonds swing is great and his mechanics are great. He chooses to lean back a bit through impact which is contrary to what you see in most of the great hitters. Still a great hitter, still great mechanics. You can watch my breakdown of Bonds where I explain why he’s not doing what Schenck says he is. No snapping - none of it - he just swings around his rear leg.
Maybe watch this video from 7:20 to 8:55 - It’s here where I highlight how Reggie Jackson swings around his rear leg much like Bonds did, like Big Poppy did, etc. But I chose Jackson because in my opinion he displays more of what I feel is most important in the swing.
You are correct, I provided video evidence of 8 guys who exemplify what I believe is important in the swing - but as I mentioned in the video, I could’ve picked from hundreds of other elite hitters in history and to varying degrees you’d see the same thing. Lou Gehrig, Joe D, Ralph Kiner, Jimmy Fox, Hank Greenburg, Mel Ott, Ted Williams, Stan Musial, Mickey Mantle, Frank Robinson, Roberto Clemente, Joe Morgan, Albert Pujols…all HOFs who I could just as easily have used - Does any single player in the hall swing like Judge or like Schenck preaches? Does any player in the hall begin their swing by going from zero-100 immediately starting everything at once while on their rear leg? No. No. In addition to the current players I featured, Paul Goldschmidt, Matt Olsen, Corbin Carrol - it goes on.
Point is I have a theory that is in direct contrast to Schencks. As best I can, in this video and in others, I point out those contrasts and make my case. What I say about Schencks philosophy has zero to do with his popularity or his success. I see flaws and contradictions in his teaching and I point them out and dispute them because it often helps my viewers become more knowledgeable. I always provide “the why.” He has the biggest voice and I chose to challenge it simply because I disagree. The sole purpose of this channel is to share the knowledge I have - it’s no charge - everyone is welcome. But if I allow Schencks nonsense to go unchecked and his loyalists to go unchecked when they are misinformed, then I’m not really helping anyone. Do I have an ego? Yeah. Do I wish I was working with Aaron Judge? For sure. Do I wish I had Schencks followers? Yup. None of these things however, really drive me - just looking to help hitters. It’s enough.
@@TheBaseballSwing There will be at least one player in the hall who swings like Judge. Judge. Richard doesn't teach a one-legged swing. He most certainly incorporates weight shift during the swing. It's just AFTER the swing starts, not before.
The only way to train your body to do this is to greatly over exaggerate the motion and that's the part you are misunderstanding. I can't imagine anybody seeing Judge swing a bat and think that he's doing it wrong. Don't forget that it's not just how hard you can swing the bat. You have to be on time when the pitcher is changing speeds as well. I'm sorry you disagree but he's right.
Dan, I wish u the best. Thanks for dropping in
Like no decent coach ever does... Schenck loves to claim credit for Aaron Judge's MVP and AL home run record year... but who's responsible for Judge hitting .180 at the start of this year? Some ballplayers also believe they hit because they don't wash their socks. Doesn't make it true.
“I don’t understand what he’s talking about, but it’s wrong!”
Is it me or Schenck you are not understanding?
4:21 He is not moving forward he is rotating. His linear move stopped at front foot heal plant, the linear move is the stride or weight shift. A player needs to create balance and torque, they have to use their body in sequence, that is the reason players have their upper body turned in to allow the rear to go first, Knee before knob and the upper body is right behind. Power comes from how fast you can create torque. Some history here.. Mike Epstein coined the phrase rotational hitting and was teaching this 30 years ago, his teaching are the gold standard of todays hitters. Teacherman is a quack and has actually hurt players, I know several who have gone to him. Judge yes great but cannot adjust to anything away, he is great at hitting pitchers mistakes
Thanks for the contribution. At 4,21 I do see what you're saying, but maybe I can make this more clear. Leading to 4,21 most of Tatis's linear weight transfer has been done and it is primarily rotational from there on. However, notice his back knee, back hip, hands, arms and consequently the barrel are still moving in a lateral direction out and towards the pitcher. This is why I say he is still moving forward. It's a matter of a conscious effort to deliver force in a direction towards centerfold. It's a means by which elite hitters kinda hedge their bet against simply rotating off the ball. This nuance I just explained is the difference between applying Epsteins rotational hitting philosophy and failing and truly understanding the swing and succeeding
@@TheBaseballSwing 100% At the end of the day a player need to create torque and most important get on plane early and stay on plane as long as he/she can. We say upper half is consistency and lower half is power and force.
Yeah it can be a bit of a puzzle at times, but basic core beliefs kinda like you mentioned above always need to be maintained. What I've found is the end result doesn't always look exactly the same, but to the trained eye you can always see the basic principles.@@anthonyb1339
What Richard is teaching isn’t a new concept. I came across rear leg loading in learning how to drive a golf ball. It’s a huge part of boxing as well. The concept in boxing is your power builds from the floor up. The rear leg load is all so learning how to engage the entire rear side of your body. Priming your muscles to deliver a chain of very fast twitch muscle movements. I think he does a OK job of explaining it and it would help if he wasn’t such a zealot about it. If you truly want to learn priming your rear leg and explosive power find a great boxing trainer and take those skills into every other sport. There are plenty of great CZcams videos on punching with power. This is why kids should play and learn several different sports. If I were Richard I’d chill out with the “this is how it has to be done” stuff, and offer the info in a less controversial way. But being controversial gets clicks and likes. Your analysis of great hitters is correct as well. Richard is trying to explain that there is more to a successful swing and it starts with learning how to load the rear hip.
Great thoughts!!! I believe knockouts via a punch happen as much because of timing as they do power. Like Connor McGregor or Dustin Porier seem to have this enate ability to catch guys between heartbeats almost off rhythm and it magnifies their effectiveness. What I have studied is videos of fighters punching a bag that registers a score. I equate that movement, load , rotational and lateral, to hitting off a tee. Their punches in a fight, like game swings, require timing and the ability to think quickly and move with commitment. Sound swing mechanics is just one element to being a great hitter. Studying how athletes in other sports move to create power, speed, etc. can provide some real insight for coaches and hitters. This is partly where I think TM falls short. His basic understanding from what I've seen isn't there
my guy showing swings from back in the day......... those guys wouldn't be as good with those type of swings now a days.... come on now
The worst things about the Shenck guy (besides his terrible self-styled nickname) is that he pretends he discovered something superior beyond the solid fundamentals already described by Ted Williams, Charlie Lau, and Tony Gwynn. The fallacy of what he "preaches" is that by mimicking what he perceives certain elite players doing results in getting the same results. And like all charlatans, he uses those same players' past success as "proof" that he is correct. And like a cult leader, his is the only truth, all others with different ideas don't know what they're talking about.
Moving forward can not be recommendable even if Babe Ruth did it. If you move too much forward all references change...
I agree. My belief is staying back and swinging while your over your rear leg is not that big a deal - Bonds, Big poppy, Reggie Jackson all kinda did that. Do I prefer a bit more forward movement like a Griffey or Ruth, yes. My contention is the hitter is extremely compromised and cannot maximize their ability if they "launch" as Schenck describes.
You should do more research!
mist of your examples, save Aaron and Mays, prove his technique. front leg is a kickstand. it shows how little research you did into Teacherman's instructions. cute how you dig into his name too: Richard Skank?
czcams.com/video/qxpmsaV9IU0/video.htmlsi=5MOxcTjWdXGduX4m. This is where you'll see Schenck pronounce his own name as Skank. How's that for research? Usually, a misguided hitter will drop a comment, and I'm hopeful I can help them. With you, I'm afraid it would be futile. Please don't ever come back here.
What is interesting is that when you watch TM swing, he falls nearly every time? Never on balance, cannot hold his finish?
I believe his age, his mechanics and that snapping action lead to his loss of balance even off a tee. Especially since athletically he displays very good balance on one leg holding his load. But it all falls apart because of how he swings the bat
Barry Bonds took the same step after his swing. Teacherman explains this in his videos.
Yes I've heard TM attempt to justify this. What he doesn't explain is that bonds partly had the finish he did because he created an insane amount of force through the ball because of strength, not ideal mechanics. TM falls because he is ridiculously on his back leg which bonds was not and also because he aggressively snaps the bat in a very awkward and sudden way which is another thing bonds did not do. Look at any other powerful athletic motion and you will quickly realize what Schenck preaches has very very little in common with them. Discuss, hammer throw, tennis back hand, golf swing, etc. They all share a kineticalky sound building of energy. Schencks theory does not
@TheBaseballSwing Well it worked for my son as he's now hitting bombs clean up hitter for his travel team lol. He's average size too.
@@Rooster_king That's awesome, continued success. It goes quick so enjoy it
To understand what rear legged hitting is you first have to understand the concept which by your comments you clearly don’t. And anybody can take one swing or two from any athlete they want to fit their own swing narrative. The truth is that 5% of MLB players (Like trout, judge, bonds, Ohtani) get it. The highest level of hitters get it. Mookie Betts too. You can play MLB by not being a great hitter (sub .200), thousands have. But to be great and put up great numbers across the board you have to understand how to stay back on the ball and launch the barrel off your rear leg for so so so many reasons that are beneficial to hitters.
Thanks Bill, for your comments and props for putting your name behind it. Clearly, we don’t agree and truthfully, I don’t appreciate you stating I don’t get it - but that’s more about my ego, nothing that’s going to help anybody following along here.
That said, you insinuate that I somehow selected video clips that showed hitters swinging in a manner that was designed to support my theory. That’s not the case - To me, it’s kinda so obvious it’s not worth mentioning, but I could search for swings of Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron Fernando Tatis, etc. for a month and would never find one where they are even remotely rear legged when they “launch the barrel” - Schencks words - launch the barrel - not beginning the movement to get bat on ball with a weight transfer or unwinding or anything like that. What I’ve typical heard from Schenck supporters confirms that they don’t delineate between the two. None of the greats ever released their hip coil and moved the bat into the hitting zone simultaneously.
It seems to me that maybe more than 5% of hitters in some ways shape or form are working to be more rear legged and imparting Schencks methodology - either way it’s been of great impact. As for me not understanding what Schenck is saying about the rear leg/hip role in hitting and by extension his overall theory just isn’t accurate. Yet you said I clearly don’t understand it. That means to me that either you don’t really understand it or more likely I didn’t do a great job of explaining my thoughts on this topic.
You basically state that to have sustained success as a hitter you need to know how to stay back. If by staying back you mean having significant weight set up on top of your rear hip and leg like bonds or judge then you are way off the mark. Very very few elite hitters in history or in today’s game do this. Not none - very few - Reggie Jackson, Big Poppy come to mind. The example of hitters I showed in this video and in history clearly shows more use their back hip to begin the kinetic process of moving forward while they continue to gain stretch in their core prior to “launching the barrel”. This is at the core of my theory of the best way to swing the bat
If you’d like to dive deeper into this, I’d be happy to debate things here or we could even speak offline. I’m suspecting your primary swing philosophy is at least to some extent based on what Schenck preaches, but maybe it’s really a bit different. Either way, if you still believe I’m not knowledgeable about the swing then we can end it here. All the best.
@@TheBaseballSwing wow there’s a lot to unpack as you kind of wrote a novel in your reply LOL. I am happy to debate hitting with anybody as I’ve been doing it my entire life working professionally for 20 years and internationally for MLB. my only connection to Teacherman is that we have players represented in the same agency, but I can tell you he is a great marketer and he is right on the mark when it comes a certain things about the swing, including being rear legged. The Japanese have adopted this style and they’ve done very well too and they’ve been adapting this style for years and now they’re at the top of their game. Post some videos on Japanese players and you’ll see what I’m talking about. I don’t come from place of ego, and I certainly am not looking for argumentative banter. Everybody has an opinion on what they think hitting should be and I think if you’re working with people and their successful, then your philosophy works. I’ve worked with thousands of hitters, and my philosophy has worked with the majority. If you put in the work and understand your swing, and yes, stay back stay one legged and bring the barrel up to speed Instantly, you can be an elite hitter, but it takes so much more to be an elite major league hitter.. thanks for your reply.
Lol. My longwindedness is why my videos are 3 times as long as they could be. I agree TM is a great marketer. I just don't care a lot about this channel in terms of it being profitable. Idealogy, I guess. Anyway, I've been watching Japan and all of Asia for a while. It's interesting and relevant. As for TMs philosophy I would respectfully disagree. I'm not opposed to rotating around the back leg like a big Poppy, bonds or Reggie Jackson, but I'm out as soon he starts talking about the pivot point like he discovered it or the lack of understanding he displays for basic athletic movement and kinetic sequencing. There's my book fir the day. Thanks for your thoughts. I'll be commenting on your channel ASAP. All the best
@@TheBaseballSwing 👍 Thanks for your reply. Let me say one more thing. I appreciate everybody’s opinions as I think my way is just A WAY, it’s not THE WAY….but with that said, I truly believe that TM is on to something really big and will change this marketplace.. I know you won’t agree with me and that’s OK but I have seen some of the players he’s been working with behind the scenes and they’re making a huge impact on the college and eventually the pro level. Pro coaches do not want his philosophy in their system because they’re not open to change. And they’re not open to a hitting dialogue. Call it ego call it whatever you want. That’s why I consider what we do the “underground world” of hitting and eventually it will be mainstream. Also just out optimal performance power or OPP. They are also here in Phoenix and have adopted TM’s philosophy 100%, they are all in…….So he’s creating quite a following. And again for the record, I don’t agree with everything TM talks about, but I do like the majority of his stuff…. thanks again talk soon
Thanks Bill. The fact that you are seeing things behind the scenes that clearly I am not is a very important point. Whether I agree or not is irrelevant to the fact that you have more information. Noted. I'm also aware there is some pushback to TMs theory from organizational types, but what I've also seen is his theory adopted all in. Almost like it's subliminal. Maybe it's more a case of the players buying in and trying it out than the teams. Either way, Schenck is influencing many. Over time, I've looked to see if I'm missing something or maybe there is a hybrid of sorts. But I've yet to see it. Talk soon.
Dont waste your time working on mechanics. Mechanics is not what make you a great hitter. Is strength flexibility and bat speed. You wont get that by being weak. Girls will never hit like men because they lack strength. Not because theyre mechanics are worse. If you keep focusing on mechanics you will end up in the same place. Stop being ignorant please
Anyone who consistently gets people better is on the right track. Anyone who says that you "have to XYZ" is to some degree wrong. Feeling like you can launch anytime from when your front foot comes up to a little past when it lands is adjustability. The straight front arm, and the scissor kick, a few other things that some guys do, and some don't, are just part of individual geometry. I've seen a number of kids try to extend the front arm early and it doesn't work. It's ok to do it, but I've seen a lot of people TRY to do it and it's always been a mess in my experience. The swing isn't paint by numbers, and anyone with a "system" immediately rings alarm bells: that's Jaime, that's Richard.
You said a lot but I'm gonna address 1 or I'll end up writing a book. You said "some guys" do it. Make a list of "your" top 10, 20 or 100 hitters of all time. Your guys and I don't care how many. What you'll figure out quickly is probably 90% of them or more barred out their arm to some extent. Yet you gloss over that in your comments. To me thats information worth noting. Working on. Experimenting with. To you it's a throw away line. Your comment about adjustability makes me think it was told to you and you just believed it. What you described might be the least adjustable swing move in history. Yet you feel strongly enough about it to present it as if it's evidence. And so on...
One thing we don't know is who's cheating by knowing what pitch is coming fastball or offspeed that changes the hitting statistics and teaching
Very true. Cheating is one thing, but thinking along with the pitcher can give a hitter a great advantage and information that is important to their success. It wasn't until I was done as a player that I began to learn how all that worked.
Most of these hitters say keep your weight back when they stretch to release the barrel there weight is back and the lead foot extends forward opposite direction to create that snap.
People break down their mechanics like that and say you can see the stretch in the shirt hands stretch along with the stride foot getting ready to release the barrel the slower you do it the more you snap the barrel.
When that back knee turns your sitting back leg
I found three swings
#1 Swinging down on your front leg which the pitcher wants to catch you on your front leg to get you beat pushy swing .Or caught reaching.Which eventually turns the barrel up.
#2 Swinging down on your back leg hands back and deep which turns the barrel up but from the back foot the deeper you get your hands back the deeper you get behind the ball and in the zone.
#3 The uppercut swing which gives you a more woosh sound from the rear.
You can uppercut swinging level or any direction snapping the barrel back.
And that gives you the Aaron Judge tilt back motion.
All these hitters are pulling their hands down which creates the arm bar ,so now when you pull your hands down where does your weight go I think that's what Teacher man is trying to explain.But you start your barrel hands up by your shoulders he's saying.
Weight goes down on the back leg arm bar creates the whip of the bat to turn the barrel up,so therefore you weight is going down on your back leg pulling the hands down to create the arm bar to finish barrel release
The problem is the Greatest hitters can hit but they might not explain where the weight is a long with teaching instructors.
If you want to know where the weight is get two scales and stick them in the batters box for both feet then you have your truth.
Don't waste your time trying to change their minds. Once I realized he bought his comments with bots. I stopped watching him. He's a sales man, trying to sell his gimmicky "tools".
You're probably right. When I first saw him, I thought it was a comedy sketch. When i finally realized that he was serious I was like hell no somebody's gotta check this arrogant guy and I created this channel.
Great to hear that you two are out there enjoying the game. Clearly i have a different philosophy about the swing than Schenck, but honestly things in this game can always go sideways regardless of your mechanics. That said im glad youre hear because i believe truely improving as a hitter requires knowledge and gaining as much as you can so ultimately the hitter only needs a phone with a camera not a coach. Thats not a tagline, its the truth. When i first saw schencks stuff i thought it was a joke. It made no sense and when he swung the bat Its so bad looking it couldnt be serious. Then came his work with judge, the unbelievable following etc. So i went to work on it for a solid 3 weeks. My opinion is he must be a helluva a marketer cause there is nothing at all i found to be anything but ciunter productive. More importantly its sounds like your son got something iut which is great. I coukd be wrong but maybe your sons success may be more about simply getting reps in and commutment to improving than anything Schenck said. Alk my best
My kid stopped watching ur videos and started watching Teacherman hitting. In two months he hit his first home run. Results are what matter. Words can be left up to interpretation. Teacherman talkes about back hip socket launch. You're twisting his words. Probably because u want to convince yourself.
Look, I'm glad your kid is doing well. It's great. The issue is that you're replying to a video where I played Schencks video using his words coming out of his mouth in it's entirety' yet you say I'm twisting his words. I dont twist anything. HE said all the greats launch "the barrel" from their rear leg. I showed examples of great hitters doing the opposite. The fact that you don't get what I said and what I then backed up with video evidence is not something that can be written off as a lack of communication. I can only guess, but it's probably just your lack of understanding of athletic motion and the swing itself that got you where you are. Which is with a methodology that is extremely flawed. It's your choice and your problem. As for me convincing myself...I was a first team all-state player that hit .537, lead the Metropolitan area in hitting and played professionally. I have been instructing hitting, studying the swing and around the game for literally 50 years. I do not consider your anecdotal 1 off example of a little leaguer who has had some success a threat to my belief in what I share on this channel. In my opinion it's great that you're involved with your son and trying to help throughout the journey. I also think it's great to try different things in terms of hitting methods. And yes go with what works. But for you to come at me with an attitude like you know anything about the swing is a joke. Seriously good luck with your son but tread lightly if you come back here again. You're not as informed as you think you are.
@@TheBaseballSwing I was first team All-State Sophomore, Junior and Senior year. MVP my varsity year and hit a better average than you. Was drafted out of high school in the 12th round and received a $250,000 signing bonus. Putting my ego to the side. I'm willing to admit that I swung the bat wrong my entire life. You on the other hand are clearly too arrogant. Bragging about achievements you made in high school like Al Bundy and will never see why you were never successful in rookie ball. Keep talking about a guy that took a hitter that was batting .170 and now is the captain of the Yankees. Signed a contract for 360 million for 9 years. Giving all the credit to Richard and guy you will always be jealous of. I just updated my profile picture showing my 🤪MVP trophy 🤪 I received in high school 😂 who gives a 💩.
@@TheBaseballSwing I was drafted in the 12th round. received a $250,000 signing bonus. I was first team All-State sophomore, junior, and Senior year. MVP my varsity year🤪 just updated my profile for you. You sound like Al Bundy bragging about your high School achievements. Aaron judge was batting .170 before he met Rich. Now he's getting paid $360 million dollars for 9 years. I'll give you $1,000 if you can prove to me you can swing a bat better than a 62 year old man. Until then, don't talk about baseball. Ba-bye
The Al Bundi reference was funny, and you deserve credit for that. But no bye-bye you offered me $1000 to prove I can swing it, and I'll take you up on that. As for me listing out my credentials, it was needed for contentext after you dismissed the quality of my teaching ability based on inaccurate claims you made regarding me twisting his words when it was his words in his video "all the greats launch.... I dont care if you were Mickey Mantle, you do not understand what makes up a good swing despite your playing career. Just like Arod is still talking about swing down to the ball despite his career. Thing is Arod didn't call me out you did. Can't wait to hear you explain your way out of paying up on the $1000. Where do I send the swing super coach?
Take it easy, Man. Maybe rewatch this video and listen carefully. You ALSO make good points, but you come off aggressive and confrontational. I found this video to be very informative.
Schenk🤡 needs to be barred from CZcams
One mistake in Schenck's hitting philosophy is his insistence that the hitting motion of all the muscles involved should be executed simultaneously instead of sequentially. Fortunately, Judge does not follow that in games and batting practices but does practice Schenck's drills to that effect. No reputable kinesiologist will ever maintain that athletic movements are best accomplished simultaneously. As Ted Williams stated, "feet lead the hips, hips lead the shoulders, and shoulders lead the hands". To his credit, Schenck did help Judge stay on plane longer.
I concur with all points. That said the method I advocate allows a hitter to stay on plane longer. By slotting the bat early you can get into the early and handle pitches deep. If your timing is good you make perfect connected contact. If you're early I see the greats continue moving forward, the body rotation instinctively slows and they still have the ability to disconnect their arms away from their body towards the incoming ball. When your ideal impact position relies on the extention of the arms while staying over the back leg you don't have the ability. Ie: you're often waving over sliders and change ups
You should be less worried about what others say
Agreed. Lotta belief in my understanding of the swing, and I get way too caught up in when I get questioned in a challenging tone. Not perfect.
Why do you guys hate on teacherman?
It’s pathetic, shows you’re a low level teacher.
Bc you don’t understand it means it wrong??
I don't "hate"on teacherman. I point out the flaws in his methodology and provide information and video to support it. Does he frustrate me with his arrogance acting like he's so scary, insightful...yes. The fact that you and a ton of others see value in his nonsense does not change the truth. Focus on that. The great hitters do not launch their barrel by snapping it into the zone. Period. The video is right there to see. Barry Bonds, the same guy his theory is based on, didn't do it, nor does anyone else. Watch my breakdown on Bonds, where I show a ton of his swings from his entire career. Again, it's right there to see. It's not even a case of interpretation or a subtle nuance. It's obvious. He doesn't get it. You and a massive amount of people following him don't get it. Yet Schenck has no problem stating that anyone who disagrees with him is somehow clueless. If Schenck ever wants a debate about the swing, I'm in. As for you, thanks for contributing