Demon170 vs Tesla Plaid 1/4Mile! Tuned Redeye! Monte Carlo! Plaid Vs Plaid! 4 Drag Races in 4K UHD!
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March 28th, 2024, TnT at Bradenton Motorsports Park (1/4 mile)
The Plaid is weight-reduced and running on the stock Pirelli P Zeros on 19” wheels. (Backseats and most rear material removed. Both front seats are still IN PLACE, along with all door panels, airbags, mirrors, 20 stereo speakers and subwoofer remain intact.) These ~170 pounds make a difference of 0.11 seconds, as proven over 850+ timeslips (9.26 best went down to 9.15).
VIDEO INDEX:
0:00 Intro
0:21 Bradenton Motorsports Park March 28 2024 (1/4 mile)
0:32 Demon170 that made 5 passes
1:04 Plaid vs Demon170
2:18 Timeslip #1 Review
2:44 Demon170 Driver, Steve
3:06 Demon 170’s next 3 Timeslips
3:19 Kim Richard’s Monte Carlo
3:30 Plaid vs Monte Carlo
4:42 Timeslip #2 Review
5:01 Modified and Tuned Redeye Challenger
5:38 Plaid vs Tuned Redeye Challenger
7:16 Timeslip #3 Review
7:31 Jim’s white 2024 Model S Plaid
8:24 2021 Plaid vs 2024 Plaid
8:51 Two Advantages Given
10:13 Timeslip #4 Review
10:49 Talking with Jim (White Plaid)
16:17 Closing Comments
16:53 Demon170’s First Pass
Run#: ET, MPH, 60-ft, Reaction (Tree), Mode, Result, State of Charge
1. 9.322, 151.27, 1.51, 0.541, NO Launch Mode, W vs Demon 170, 92%
2. 9.252, 149.35, 1.48, 0.134, Launch Mode**, W vs Monte Carlo, 89%
3. 9.201, 150.48, 1.47, 0.202, Launch Mode, W vs Tuned Redeye, 86%
4. 9.283, 149.71, 1.46, 0.181, NO Launch Mode**, W vs White Plaid, 83%
** Not at Peak Performance Ready
Thanks to Steve (Demon 170), Kim Richard (Monte Carlo), Jim (White Plaid @TeslaRacingandMods) and all other drivers for these fun races!
Special Thanks to Greg Mannarino (COPO Camaro @GregoryMannarino) for sharing trackside and grandstand footage!
NHRA ‘Street Legal’ Rules: “Unaltered OEM installed antilock brakes, OEM airbag functions, OEM stock frame\unibody construction, including OEM floors and firewall, as well as all other OEM safety-related systems must be functioning as per manufacturer’s specifications.” More at: www.nhra.com/nhra-street-legal
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Special Thanks to Gregory Mannarino for sharing trackside and grandstand footage!
“There must be something wrong with that Demon170” or “That 170 driver doesn’t know what he’s doing!” Right? Wrong. Although this is the first Demon170 that would race our Plaid, it’s the third 170 we’ve encountered at the dragstrip. Remember the one a month ago that ran 9.6-9.8s? That was with a very experienced driver and many dozens of runs. He declined to race because the result was already obvious. Most Dodge boys believe they can drive it better. Dream on. Even after 50 practice passes, there’s no way that car will take the Plaid in a best 2 out of 3 completed within 30 minutes. The Plaid can run back-to-back and often runs faster each time. The Demon170 requires a long cool down and perfect conditions that just aren’t happening most of the time. A tough pill for Mopar fans, but facts.
Will we ever see a non modified 170 actually run the factory claim? unlikely
@@chrisvig123 the only way Plaids can run faster than 9’s is also with modifications aka weight reduction.
@@speedracerjeff Yet the manufacturer claim for the Plaid was 9.23. We ran 9.26 at full weight in our first few weeks with our Plaid in imperfect conditions. And although some may try to tout the Demon’s shortcomings as some kind of “Challenge for REAL drivers”, how does that make it a better car? If only 1% of Demon owners can ever match the claim, versus more like 50% for the Plaid, then the car appears to be the issue, not the driver. We prefer performance that is accessible, not only on a perfectly prepped track, but anywhere the car can go 👍
Note: We’ve never seen ANY Demon run 9.2s at our local dragstrips. Not a 170 nor a modified and tuned original Demon. To date, 9.40s is the best we’ve ever seen (Ghost Rider’s Forza-tuned Demon in great conditions).
Meantime, we often run six 9.2s in a row in a single night without “refueling”😃
@@TeslaPlaidChannel the truth is like a lion, you don't cage it or try to defend it. You set it free so it can defend itself! 👍🏻😎
Classy fun informative gentleman style races as always man. Can't wait to see you in a plaid+ or gen2 roadster tearing it up! 😁
The latest solid state&semi solid state cell news has me excited in a few years or sooner? We could see ev pack's losing 250-500#+ and then what a nutter the plaid would be with a solid state 600# total pack in it. Shedding 400# with even better thermals and charging speeds.
Imagine a m3 ludicrous with a 500-600# 75-80kwh solid state pack taking it down to 3,600# or less. With awd, track pack, sticky tires, nice sport bucket seats and 620+hp. All for around 60k. Might run high 9s or low 10s. And a lighter plaid+with solid state should do 8.8x😃
Great video Andrew! Beating up another Dodge 170....love it! The 170 owner was feeling so down and out about his car getting spanked by a family sedan that he didn't even really want to talk about it! LoL
👍He’s clearly frustrated by how difficult that car is to launch.
Watching two Plaids race and go .02 between each other is nuts! Great racing as usual!
One is gutted the other isn’t. The white plaid would’ve beat him otherwise.
I used to drag race a motorcycle and have followed drag racing most of my life. I learned that sound can fool you into thinking that just because it’s louder it tends to make you think it’s faster. Of course EV’s proved this is not the case. I remember riding a 500cc Kawasaki two stroke and it would blow the handlebars off a Harley with straight pipes.
👍Fur sure! And the other thing that fools people: “Louder is harder to drive”. Sure, that Demon is hard to launch, but plenty of loud cars have automatic transmissions, launch control, traction control, and some even have AWD (like GT-Rs and most Germans)
I honestly feel bad for anyone who spent that much money on a dodge
What you meant to say is you feel bad for anyone who spent that much on a Dodge that can't drive
Have you seen Racer X and his Demon 170? Very experienced driver and his ETs aren’t much better: czcams.com/video/Mkj1CS8CY6U/video.html
Great runs! The only person that knows how to drive the Demon 170 is Demonology on CZcams, he’s a Pro and launches it perfectly every time. Demonology seems to be the only one doing the Demon 170 any justice lol.
He’s modified. We have it on good authority. And our buddy Greg Mannarino called him out, but still crickets from him. Not sure why a modified car like his 170 would duck and dodge a 100% stock car like Greg’s? (2017 COPO Camaro) And not sure why he hides his ETs? The one Plaid we saw him race (2 years ago) was a sad setup. As we’ve posted elsewhere, he can come to Bradenton and race Greg anytime. If he wins and shows any level of class in the process, then we’ll line up with him 👍
@@TeslaPlaidChanneltypical dodge guy
@@TeslaPlaidChannelyou plaid is modified too
@@kcw9313 1020HP, same as the showroom floor 😃. Demons can be ordered with no rear seat. And did you see the new Porsche? “The new top-dog 1092-hp Taycan, with its available Weissach package, *ditches the rear seat* in an attempt to outrun the Tesla Model S Plaid and the Lucid Air Sapphire.”
www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a60442156/2025-porsche-taycan-turbo-gt-drive/
@@rolltide9547 I’m more of a Chevy and german car guy honestly lol. But I do love my Ram truck…
That guy need to take his Demon 170 home and stick to cruising. What an embarrassment 😳
When Dodge ran that 8.91, who knows how many passes it took to achieve. It was in negative DA, and the track prep was stellar. That car was also the lightest version possible. There is a lot to learn on that car, and it's hard to be consistent due to traction variables. The Plaid is hands down the way to go if you want to take names on the street or the track. With the AWD, it's basically unbeatable 99% of the time. If your only goal is to go fast in a straight line, then the Plaid is the clear answer period. The Demon is a different animal that has a lot of character and is very hard to manage. In a perfect world, I would own both to serve different purposes. There is no point in making excuses or defending one car over the other. Buy what you like and enjoy the journey.
Great work!
Andrew, enjoyed your race with the Plaid. You know your car so well and how to drive it that you knew exactly how much you could give and still win. As far as ICE cars go, the drivers don't want to admit it but their day is coming to an end. BEVs will become the new king of the track.
👍Thanks Charles! And yet we hope we still see plenty of fire breathing beasts doing wheelies until the day we have to hang up our helmet. They are just so much fun to race against, probably because I grew up with them, all my years building them, and of course admiring the faster ones than my 3 Camaros and Mustang. But I sure don’t miss the maintenance! No more backaches from fixing and tuning every weekend! 😃
@@TeslaPlaidChannel Andrew, looking forward to the day when you have your new Tesla Roadster with rocket assist and bring the ICE car story to an end. 🚀
The best races I’ve ever seen in this channel so far…..
Don’t upgrade your gear until your skills make the most of them, only when they are holding you back will you benefit from that edge
It’s counterintuitive that glue on your tires makes you faster. I understand why, it just sounds weird
stupid
Demon 😈 170 another joke from dodge !
Quite a parent, you can’t afford one either
Sweet start of the day!
Awesome race on the white plaid
tires made a difference
Indeed, the wheels/Tires (he’s on lightweight aftermarket 21”s, I’m on OEM 19”s) and the weight reduction in my car (no rear seats). His battery is brand new, mine is almost 3 years old with 900 dragstrip passes and 21K miles.
Dang running 9.2's without LC is crazy nice work I'm gonna have to gut my whole car not just the back seat to make it to those numbers 😅
Fun watch, how many miles are on that beast now?
Let’s see. 1,000 passes at 1/4 mile each so 250 miles? 😊
Almost 21K miles, and around 900 dragstrip passes on this Plaid now. (Another 76 passes on our other two Plaids, now sold.) Still on the original tires as delivered 30 months ago. Only maintenance hs been a set of brake pads 👍
@@lemongavine👍True that it only leaves the garage to go to the dragstrip, but that’s about 80 miles each way. And after each race the return road is over a half mile, so that’s over one mile for each pass 😃
@TeslaPlaidChannel That's some mega miles on a set! Just turned 57k on mine. Averaging less than 15k running till they're bald up front. Less than 40 passes since we lost our local quarter mile.😢 I sure loved tossing the helmet in going to work, get a burger, signing the waiver, shutting the AC off, sinking my eyes to the back of my head, collecting single digit slips, all while listening to the sweet melody of big cams and delicious smelling burnt race fuel. Take the helmet off, flip the AC on, grab another burger, cruise home.
Got a low key airport runway race about 70 miles off we're gonna try to enjoy this year. Flagman, hotrods, family and food trucks. If ya look close, there's gotta be bald eagles soaring overhead! Hahaha Keep up the great vids!
@@CountryTesla Right on! 👍 Are you running 21”s/PS4S or the 19”/Pirellis or something custom?
Buenos días
Muy buenas… solo q si no pueden correr no se siente tan interesante . Genial ese carril externo. En el auto llevas la cámara trasera encendida para controlar el avance del otro auto? Y el otro plaid de color blanco q estaba todo modificado? No lo volví a ver
Bueno saludos
We use aftermarket Dashcams (BlackVue) because the Teslas cameras have no sound. Video with no audio is useless on CZcams. The white Plaid has custom wheels, 21” tires, and has a lowered suspension, plus a custom “wrap” over the paint. Ours is all original, although we removed the rear seats (170 points of weight) to make ours about 0.1 seconds faster. We’ve also removed the aerodynamic hubcaps from our stock 19” wheels. We are still using the original tires that came with the car 30 months ago.
Fun races! I have seen so many unhappy people at the drag strip because "their cars" cannot get close to the best recorded times. But there are so many variables at the drag strip, and for a gas powered car, the biggest one is driver experience. The Demon 170 driver was getting relatively terrible 60' times, and he is never going to get the best numbers with those problematic launches. The Plaid's "superpowers" are consistent launches, AWD, and EV power delivery. Track prep and reaction time are still critical for getting the best, competitive times in a Tesla. But there are so many more variables affecting gas powered performance cars to get their best times, that it is usually the Tesla driver's race to lose.
Fully agree Dean! 👍 You hit the nail on the head yet again 😃
Nice races! Thanks for sharing. Hopefully i can get my '21 Plaid to run a 9.3 or 9.4 at a prepped track. I bought it with about 42K miles on it so there's a little degradation of the batteries. I've done a 9.61 at 145 on the street at 86%. 60 ft was 1.59 and it was 50 degrees out
👍You can do it! Warmer temps help both traction and battery output. Hope you’ve got a good track nearby and great weather when you get there 😃
@TeslaPlaidChannel Thanks for the vote of confidence. Looking forward to more testing. What tire psi do you recommend? I also have 19's all around
@@tornatic1983 We usually run 40psi. When track prep is excellent, even 42-44psi works fine and gives top trap speeds. When prep is poor, the lowest we’ve run is 36psi (rear) and 38psi front. We don’t recommend dropping lower, as these are summer tires, not drag radials or slicks. (The TPMS alert will trigger below around 35)
@@TeslaPlaidChannel Thanks for the info!
Andrew, this is Bill with the Black '63 Nova you ran your PB against. It's faster since we raced but not 9.15- 9.30 material. Can we have a race with less than five cars gap.??? I'm already pushing my factory 350 to 700+ I don't want to destroy it for fun...
👍Hey Bill! Sure thing, perhaps “the hit” will be the right equalizer? Thats usually good for four to five car lengths 😃
he's going to have to get the Plaid + to be able to keep up with you
Thank you
Welcome! Thanks for stopping by 👍
It’s quite apparent the guy in the demon has no idea how to warm up the tires😂
Indeed it was a poor burnout on this pass shown, yet after better ones and dozens of passes on several nights, that 9.90 is still the best we’ve seen this 170 do. And Racer X warms his tires well and still struggles to run 9.60s in his 170, as showed in recent videos. Maybe the car should take some of the blame? And the trap speeds from both cars suggests that a pass in the 8s is not possible (until modifications, like the ones online that people falsely believe are “100% stock”).
Great runs Andrew! I guess like most Dodge’s it can’t put its power down, or at least it’s very hard to and you need someone like demonology to get it going.
👍And a few modifications certainly help 😃
@@TeslaPlaidChannelMost definitely! Should probably add some grip modifications so it’s easier for it to put the power down. That’s definitely something the Plaid doesn’t need!
8:16 - Pieces of engine block!!?? Big OUCH for somebody and maybe oil everywhere.
We seem to get one of those each session. Usually a rotary or a turbo with too much boost, like the foxbody that blew up in the recent “Mountain Motor” video 😳
For anyone who missed it, see the 10:48 mark of THIS video: czcams.com/video/JuxV2nzZG3s/video.html
Love your channel and your attitude. The plaid is great, though i do love the sapphire too. If you're talking bang for your buck though a 9.2 at 90k is definitely more efficient than 9.0 or 8.9 for almost 250k. I love both cars though.
With all due respect, the only real time concerns in the plaid is it's soc and the launch sequence, that said, the launches for ice reality has to be realized each and every launch, and way to much preparation and investment to run sub standard times in a car producing over 1000 hp's
Two other factors we’ve found:
1) For ET, “finding traction”. We used to just line up like everyone else, and would spin a fair amount of the time. Now we take extra efforts to be first down after the prep, we “roll thru” for more glue on tires, and we lineup outside “the groove”. We spin far less often, improving 60-fts and ET.
2) RTs aren’t just about the number. Consistency comes by staging at the same depth every time. And because we stage super “shallow”, we get a “flying head start” by the time we break the starting beams. This has proven to be good for about a *full tenth* on ET versus deep staging.
Hi Andrew, I've followed you for quite sometime, and certainly appreciate your attention to detail, & your sportsman approach.I just it find it amazing after growing up with GM Ford & Chrysler, not to mention some AMC legends that it has come full circle with not only the retro pony & muscle but to witness the advent of ev's turning sub 10 sec times and then some. So yes, I understand that there certainly is prep involved in getting the sharpest launch possible reaction time notwithstanding.
Great
Which 19” wheels are you using on your plaid?
Stock Tesla OEM 19” wheels with the aerodynamic covers removed.
And those tires are the original Pirelli P Zeros that were delivered with the car 30 months ago 😳
@@TeslaPlaidChannel Thats crazy, lasting 30+ months with constant drag strip use. Is there anything to gain in times from replacing them at some point? Im guessing not, since worn out tires might have a bigger contact area which is better.
@@williamn3070 These tires are getting “dry” (more brittle), and didn’t perform so well this past winter. But hot temperatures are arriving now in Florida so we should be good for a few more months. We expect to replace them in the fall when temperatures come down again, even though they should still have enough tread for 7000-12000 more miles.
@@TeslaPlaidChannel Sounds good, great that you are able to use the same tires for that long.
@@TeslaPlaidChannelI’ve heard that the new sport seats Tesla offers for the Model S Plaid are lighter. Is this true? Because if so it’s less weight, and slightly quicker times.
Two 1,020 horsepower Plaid powerhouses💪...and EVs being much more efficient get about 300 miles for just $7.00 of electricity
Seems only Kevin Van Voris & Demonology can launch the demons (stock) 🤷♂️
Our new friend Paul (aka Racer X) sure has been having his Challenges! (pun intended)
If you race the Plaid
You will 98% chance get spanked
It don’t have human error
That’s why I am 24-0 so far as well as the 170s
Bring it
90% of dodge guys are disorganized, always have some issue, always have excuses, never prepared to race and always getting beat.
The best racers by brand 1. Buick 2. Toyota and Telsa 3. Chevrolet 4. Ford 5. Pontiac.
We love Grand Nationals!
Let the excuses commence. Probably best if they avoid Tesla’s. I love the whine of the electric motors.
Thank you for your support. You give me personal support for my first Tesla S Plaid Drag race competition. Much respect. 🙏🙏🙏
People just need to stop racing Teslas. It’s like a worm fighting an eagle.
But the worms (Gas cars) still want to race us, so we say "why not?"
Could you go re run that one red-eye that you went down against. Im a plaid owner and get that thrown in my face a lot.
Can’t, because he blew his engine up. We’ve since run 9.15 and he blew his engine up with nitrous. Did we mention he blew his engine? That idiot. Also, he is a proven liar and will lie regardless of the outcome, same as he did before. We only race drivers of good character so there’s no way we will ever get near such a lowlife again in the future. But besides, he blew his engine up 😃
…we’ve raced *many faster* cars that that one anyway, and we’ve hit many 0.00 and 0.01 reaction times along the way (several this year). We’ve continued to treat all drivers with respect. So it should be obvious why we won’t give such a classless liar another chance to play games with us and lie about the whole thing…
@@TeslaPlaidChannel That's what Ive noticed on the channel. I love the S but end up spending most of my time in the X which eats front half shafts like Doritos.
I had a demon 170 running 9.1s at 149 here in Wisconsin
May we ask: Did you also blow your engine as 12 other 170 owners already have? 🤔
(Including Racer X)
Try Demonology's 170 and see what happens???
Another noob who believes it is “100% Stock”? Pay attention. My buddy Greg Mannarino called him out months ago to race his 100% Stock Camaro. Yet he won’t even respond. Why not?
Once that race occurs, if any level of class is shown, we’ll consider it. But those kinds of personalities don’t play well on this Channel, where we treat all drivers with mutual respect 😃
Reaction time has nothing to due with et. Its when the front tire hits the beam the timers start. 2 cars that run 9.3, if one driver leaves slightly earlier it does not mean he has the quicker time. Both lanes are timed separate. If i sit for 1 second after the green it does not mean I run a 10.30. The white plaid will not reduce et if he has a better reaction time. If he has perfect reaction time he will still run 9.3, not like taking his seats out.
👍We race for the finish line, not for the ET. Thats why we talk about RTs so much. When we frequently say we are “looking for close races”, we aren’t trying to “match ETs” on the board, although we’ve done that many times. We give cars “the hit/move” for that exact reason that you explain to the noobs. A slower car needs a better RT for the finish to be close. We backed off on our usual RT (did you notice our three recent 0.00 RTs in the last month or so?) We did this very intentionally because we knew Jim’s ET would be higher. We were right on the money, and *won by 0.02* at the finish line even though we had that slower RT (by 0.05). Our ET was 0.07 better, and we very clearly said we *won by 0.02* , not by 0.07 😃
Funny you never race demonology. He would destroy you and snatch your soul. 🤣🤣🤣
Our buddy Greg called him out first, and we are waiting for that result out of respect. (Consider trying that sometime?)
Funny that he won’t even respond, despite all his Demon’s modifications while Greg’s Camaro is *100% stock* from the factory. (His COPO ran 8.30s here on the Channel, which shuts up the Dodge crowd in a hurry 🤣🤣🤣)
Race demonology somebody actually knows how to drive the demon.
He’s not stock. And Greg Mannarino (100% stock Camaro, a 350ci COPO) has already called him out. Loudly and many places. If he can beat Greg, and do it with any level of class, then sure why not?
You should talk to Kevin van voris or Herman about it. They seem to know what they are doing. Oh wait you won't. Because that would ruin your streak of the 170 being slow. Keep picking on the guys with lots of money and 0 skill.
Why should a car specifically designed for one purpose (drag racing) be so difficult to drag race? 🤔 You will never acknowledge that as a problem, as that would ruin your streak of not seeing the car for what it really is: An over-hyped engineering failure 👍
More questions you won’t answer:
-Why does the original Demon run 10s most of the time in real life? (Stock) Our dragstrip livestreamer has witnessed hundreds of Demon passes by dozens of drivers and says: “Never once saw a stock Demon run 9.6s. Not even once”
-Why hasn’t Dodge adopted AWD? The Germans figured it out a long time ago. There’s the GT-R and Lambos too. Even the latest Vette has AWD! RWD is so archaic that it’s almost comical watching guys try to launch their various Challengers.
-Why do fanboys STILL believe Dodge’s claims and continue to make excuses for them after all the empirical evidence? Maybe because “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they’ve been fooled” 🤔
BTW, we looked up those guys and it’s a hard pass. When we were young and stupid, we street raced. We matured. We developed respect for the other people in this world around us. And yet the titles of the their videos speak volumes about their mindset: “…piss off…”, “…embarrassed…”
Hard pass. We’d rather have no views than go that direction. Our Channel probably offends folks like that, because we’re just a bunch of honest law-abiding gearheads showing respect for all drivers, while leaving our egos at the dragstrip gate.
@@TeslaPlaidChannellove how he didn’t respond. Coward 😂
Image going to the strip and running the same time over...and over.... and over.... The same time anyone else with the same car runs. Can't get into the computer, can't mod anything besides tires/suspention. Hats off to this guy, I would have run it once and lost interest. Why not go run some cash days or something? I'd like to see how slow this car is when you run it agianst guys who actually do it for $.
We raced for cash in our last video. Who won the shootout? And then what happened to the money? 💰 czcams.com/video/BJuB0aAhtyM/video.html
Just like every other car, gas or diesel. Runs the same ET every time!