Return to Oz Explained - Timeline and Villain Motives - The Fangirl Video Essay
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- If you found Return to Oz confusing, then this is the video for you! I'm breaking down the main plot, and how the villains of the movie operate. Wizard of Oz Timeline of treachery included!
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Why is Mombi a princess? Why is the Nome King not a gnome? What is even going on with this timeline?! Let me relive my love of Dorothy Gale and try to answer those questions!
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Here's a thought I have, what if being "completely human" would mean the Nome King could finally go out to the surface? That way he finally is able to take over the surface as well, but like the odd plot point says, all the previous population needs to be gone, so not only can the magic work, but he is able to establish a new civilization in the quasi-fairyland Oz is located in.
Just as an aside, at one point I found out that is some of the greater lore to the Oz books, a powerful fairy decided to section of an area of land to be a new kingdom and drew it into a semi-fae realm. That area of land becomes Oz and one way or another, Ozma is a descendant of the fairy, thus the rightful ruler of the land.
i just had a thought: why dont u make a theory of the neverending story? i always loved that movie :3
Return to Oz isn’t technically a sequel to the Judy Garland “The Wizard of Oz” movie , the only similarity being The Ruby Slippers. The rest of the movie is a mashup between the 2nd and 3rd Oz Books “The Marvelous Land of Oz” and “Ozma of Oz”. As far as I am aware this is solely book inspired, only bringing in the Ruby Slippers as they are such an iconic piece of movie history and people would be confused if they used silver slippers like in the books. Hence why Dorothy is so young here compared to Judy, as she is much more book accurate! :) The books also have more info about Roquat The Nome King and his nomes, as well as his motives :)
Too bad there was never a version of the Wizard of Oz made with Fairuza Balk as Dorothy, and the other characters looking like they do in this.
Return to Oz is based on book 2 and 3 of the series of The wizard of Oz, Ozma of Oz, and The marvelous Land of Oz. Princess Mombi is based on the witch Mombi and Princess Langwidere. The Nome king is also featured in the books.
Eh, the Nome King would have been bankrupt after the wheelers sued him for not installing handicap ramps lol
to be honest the king must want to see how it feels to be a human cus he is so out of his mined or maybe he's going crazy cus he's stuck underground
Do you think Glinda the Good Witch looks more like a Fairy Godmother? If so, why don’t the Wicked Witches look more like Wicked Fairies? You know, like Maleficent from Sleeping Beauty?
I think they're all based on the same Eurocentric standard where light and fluffy and rounded edges = goodness and dark, black, jagged edges = bad.
THE NOME KING LOOKS LIKE A DEPRESSED GHOST OF CHRISTMAS ALL GREY AND GLOOMY
This film is one of the most beautiful, terrifying, edifying and profound works of art ever made. Every frame, every line of dialogue is a multifaceted jewel-like life lesson - and most amazing of all… it’s an unsolicited collaboration with Frank L. Baum that spans pretty much the whole the 20th Century. It actually adds richness to the already timeless literary work it was based upon. Fairuza Balk is pitch perfect, the art direction and special effects are still stunning. I can’t get over this one.
Not much of a feel-good kid flick, to say the least. Ha.
So much the better. Gotta grow up sooner or later.
The reason there is no Munchkin Land is that that was just in the MGM film. The Munchkin Country is what we get in the books and it spans the entire eastern side of Oz. Dorothy meets Munchkins when she arrives in Oz, but she has to walk quite a while before seeing their homes.
No, the reason there is no Munchkinland is because they are turned to stone. There are plenty of adaptations that incorporate munchkins and munchkin villages. The fact it’s called country in the book and land is not the reason
@@bigred8432 I'm well aware they are turned to stone (or something else since we don't see them at all).
People are asking why there is no Munchkinland because they are used to the scene where Dorothy's house lands in the middle of a Munchkin village in the film. In the book it does not land in a village or even on the Yellow Brick Road. Dorothy sets out on a journey and sees the Munchkin homes later. There is no sign of a Munchkin village in Return to Oz at all. Even if it had been turned to stone we would see ruins. Instead, Dorothy's house is in the middle of nowhere.
@@saintfighteraqua They are turned to stone, everything living in Oz turns to stone. The movie does a good job of edging it's bets and playing safe with some of the MGM mythos, when it suits. Munchkinland, as people know it from the musical movie could very easily be that site, overrun with trees. There is a human fascination, with the unseen that I find...fascinating. People accept that the Emerald City looks entirely different because it's presented to them visually. Because Munchkinland is unseen its raises more questions. It's the same as the weird obsession people have with the red brick road, that blatantly doesn't lead anywhere and is merely a decorative feature to give the image of a lollipop.
I 💕 this movie! Like a true fairy tale, very dark & terrifying.
Great video. I watched this movie after I watched The Craft, so that was weird, but I agree more ppl should talk about this movie.
Fairuza Balk is fantastic in The Craft too!
I just subscribed to your channel because this is one of my favorite channels.
Ever heard the phrase horror loses its power to frighten when repeated too often? It's a direct quote from the neverending story by Michael Ende .
Did love return to oz I was always confused by Dorothy being younger tho. Love your videos ❤️
I have a feeling that Dorothy wasn't supposed to be adult-sized in the original movie, but we were supposed to play pretend with the actresses age. Since early movies took a lot from theatre, and it's harder to age people in theatre, I wonder if that's what they did for the Wizard of Oz movie. It's been way too long since I've watched the original though, so maybe I'm nuts! lol
@@TheFangirlWatches I think you’re right I don’t think you’re nuts but if you are I might be too lol 😂
Return to Oz is one of my favorite movies. Thank you for this analysis!
I saw this for the first time a few months ago, and couldn't help but think this was eerie to watch and had to be terrifying to a degree for when it came out.
Man I clicked on this as soon as it popped up in my notifications never have i been able be this early. I love you & your channel and please never stop with all that you do! *second*
Thank you so much Tiffinee! You're so sweet I'm gonna cry! 😭😘💕
@@TheFangirlWatches You are welcome. I am disabled & have a lot of health issues including a really rarely neurological disorder which causes me not only severe pain but makes me bedridden. Your videos bring a lot of joy to me & you are a blast to watch & you.vheer me up. We are about the same age as I will be 32 on Oct 22, in 2 days, and I love that I can relate to you. You are definitely one of my favorite youtubers & people in general. I will also play your videos on mute so that I can help get their views up because you deserve it. I hope you have a great day & thank you for responding to me!
OMG I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO
Great to watch this video Fangirl! I have read all the books in the series but have never seen this movie.
Oh my goodness you should! I don't really love Oz movies/shows, but this one is one of my favorite movies! It's a wild trip!
OMG I love your channel! New sub and I’m watching all your videos lol
I really liked the mothman theories you did. I’m so intrigued by that. I recently saw St Maud at the cinema and wondered if you had any theories on that I.e who was really communicating with her or was it just mental disillusionment
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I always tell people it’s the best movie they’ve never seen. It’s so far out there and so good still. They really put a lot of thought into it and it doesn’t get the credit it should.
MGM makes Oz beautiful
Disney makes Oz scary and dark
Warner bros makes the neverending story dark and serious
Disney makes the neverending story goofy and silly
I didn't get it
I have been in love with this movie since i saw it as a child and i am 36 years old. I fell in love with fairuza balk with this movie too. But I always thought this was a great movie and done so so well.
Gnome: small
Nome:”absorbing man but permanently inside rocks”
The king of nothing is a dangerous title on its own
Your so awesome and I hope you keep it up
I saw the film before this video and yes, it need more love!!! It was the movie I wanted to see first when Disney + came out.
Maybe he wanted to conquest the other kingdoms. Since Oz and Munchkin land are only a small part of the world. Maybe he wanted to move onto the land of the winkies next
lol land of the winkies. I can't seem to recall what that is, but they sound fantastic! 😂
@@TheFangirlWatches the land of the winkies is on the opposite side of emerald city. Munchkin country is to the west and winkie land is to the east I forget the north and south places xD
I remember in the first Wonderland movie the red Queen was banished to the "Outer Zone" and i was like "wait a minute?"
@@kingcr1mz0n71 The northern territory is where the Gillikan people live. The southern territory is the land of the Quadlings.
I read all the Oz stories as a boy, so I always loved Return to Oz because I got to see so many book characters brought to life. And the sets, costumes and puppets were all top notch. If you only knew the MGM film I can see how it would freak you out.
With Mombi, I preferred the version Gregory Maguire wrote - She turned Ozma into a boy so he would be easier to care for, but actually did love him despite this abduction. It definitely humanised her and was a standout, when you take into account how dry and unsatisfying Maguire's writing usually is (seriously, did he have a relative in the publishing industry or something?!).
I remember in L Frank Baum's series he wrote in his second book that the Wizard had brought Ozma to Mombi when she was a baby. She then turned Ozma into a boy named Tip in order for her to remain a secret from everyone. And the Wizard wouldn't lose his power over The Emerald City.
Have u read the book return to Oz . I’d recommend it Megane
do you think that the head nurse could see Ozma when Dorothy was escaping the faculty or was she only visible to Dorothy?
I'm not sure. Nobody spoke of Ozma's existence in Kansas. But I've heard that there was a deleted scene where one of the policemen said that they were still in search for her but no trace of her was found.
It weird seeing this movie then years later watch the old Wizard of Oz anime series adaption and see the same story told in like the second story arc then come across another older movie that also tells the same story.
I think Nome King takes some inspiration from the lesser known part of Gnome Mythology being Earth Elementals
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I love this movie. Just like Coraline, return to Oz is like a horror movie for kids. Great vid btw! Keep up the good work. ^^
Fun fact, Brian Henson (Jim Henson's) was in the Jack Pumpkinhead suit!
Can you make a theory about Paranorman ,specifically the little girl that terorized the town?
Cool sailor moon poster :D
still a more honest adaption of the 14 books than the 39 film
My thought process on the nome king was that maybe if he was human he’d be in the regular world.
You mean return to OD-Z lol.
Plus what do you think of The Theorizers theory that Gilda is the real villain maybe that's what happened to The Munchkin village it was DESAMITED in their fight.
cool video keep up the epic work.
So I read the line, "Soon there will be no one left that remembers Oz, and I will be completely human" a bit different. I saw it was two separate facts. Oz will be forgotten. I will be human. They're not connected. You commented on the fact that as people are turned into ornaments, he changes. He also changes back the same way/steps as the characters are released from their ornament prisons. So I think there's a clear connection there. I think he was just gloating to Mombi. That was my take. Your thoughts?
I loved this movie too. Really weird watching it as an adult, rather than watching it as a child. (I just watched it two days ago, now I'm watching youtube videos to see how other people experienced it.)
i like outtake videos behinde the scenes extc
Those wheelers always creeped me out as a kid 😭
I right there in trauma therapy with you on that one!
Here's a thought: since it was known that the same actor who played the Nome King also played the doctor in Kansas, what if there was a tie in somehow? Like since the doctor was trying to make Dorothy forget about OZ, which would have left the land in a bad state, it would make the Nome King more powerful. And Mombi being both a witch and the nurse, there were scenes where she was leading Dorothy with a firm hold so she wouldn't get away.
It's plausible. It was revealed that Dr. Worley had kept his patients locked in the cellar after he permanently damaged their minds from that electroshock therapy. Had Dorothy had that therapy herself she would've been forever locked in the cellar permanently insane! In Oz the Nome King turned everyone in the Emerald City to stone or an ornament for his collection.
@@melissacooper4282 That's exactly what I thought when I watched the movie,it also explains how he died in the real world where he went back into the building which caught fire only cause he worried about his "Machines"
I made it to the end! 😁
I hope my previous comment wasnt deleted by the uploader, but short form of what I said was that knomes are generally considered the archtypical creatures that represent earth, much like salamanders and undyne are fire and water elementals respectively... So I imagine maybe the nome king is the physical manifestation of earth itself, or something to that effect, in relation to the knomes.
Nomes are rock farries. In old mythologies, celtic and germanic. They live underground and are known to inhabit all mines and caves ect.
Yes, they even call them Rock Fairies in the Oz books, so you are right.
That movie gave us nightmares for a month... damn scary blade rollers things...
You mean the Wheelers.
@@melissacooper4282 yes
The witch of the North isn't evil. The Wicked witches were from the East and West, the good witches were from the North and South.
In the book Mombi lived in the North. She was defeated by the Good Witch of the North. I think there was an unnamed wicked witch of the south but Glinda overthrew her.
Melissa is correct. Mombi was a witch in power before Dorothy arrived but was defeated by the Good Witch of the North that Dorothy meets in the book.
Yeah, the whole 'becoming human' bit has always been a bit of a head-scratcher. I've read the novelization, and if I recall correctly, it says something like 'well, as a nome, the Nome King is kind of stuck where he is, but as a human, he'd have no such restrictions and could go out and do pretty much whatever he wanted' - but, I mean, he already CAN do pretty much whatever he wants, and he never seems to mind being what he is, so... yeah. At a base level, it's just a visual representation of his inching closer to victory (as he absorbs their 'humanity', he increases his already considerable power), but still, it's weird. I suspect this is one of those 'got written out by a script rewrite' sort of situations, where it DID make sense, but now, no longer.
As for the 'Nome/ no me' business, hate to bust your bubble, but L. Frank Baum already gave a pretty clear and simple reason for why they're called that. Basically, they are indeed supposed to be 'gnomes', but he thought the spelling was confusing, and since they weren't your standard gnomes anyway, he just took out the 'g'. So 'gnomes' are the little guys in the hats, 'nomes' are specifically the underground rock fairies Baum created.
I don't know if anybody else has pointed this out, but if the Nome King were human... eggs wouldn't be poison to him. Thus, he'd lose any prior weakness he had, making him more powerful by default.
Interesting... 🤔
@@TheFangirlWatches Yup! Plus I did hear a theory that the Nome King's power also runs on people's memories of Oz, hence why he was so eager for Dorothy to forget (he did gleefully say to Mombi, "Soon there'll be no one left who remembers Oz!"). Plus it parallels Dr. Worley's goal of making Dorothy forget Oz as well.
Would you ever do a video on Glinda the Good Witch being the secret villain of the Wizard of Oz? I’ve heard a couple different theories and would love to hear your take on it!
cool they plan to make a movie called wicked
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In the book The Wizard of Oz, the witch of the north was a good witch, like her sister in the south. How was Mombi the witch of the north?
Mombi is in the sequel book, The Marvelous Land of Oz. She used to be the Wicked Witch of the North but was deposed by the Good Witch of the North.
I'm first for once ^^ Great job Megan!!
Thanks for coming so super fast!
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We have three Wizard of Oz films that are part of the official Oz universe. Oz the great and powerful, the Wizard of Oz and Return to Oz. The Wicked Witch is redeemed by Dorothy after that. That's where the official timeline ends. There's nothing after that.
I’m wicked….
The three films you mentioned are all separate universes. The witch doesn't get redeemed in any of them or in the books.
you didn't really explain the witch from the south x
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This has always bugged me, when the Nome King had obtained the ruby slippers why couldn’t he just use them to make him become human since their so powerful unless magic has laws in Oz.
It is so poorly explained, and I unfortunately don’t know the answer, but the Nome King does say it has something to do with people remembering Oz. So it’s almost like the land has to be cleansed before he can claim it.
Also Mombi pointed out why didn't the Nome King simply transformed Dorothy and her friends into ornaments right away. He explained that it was more fun to watch them transform one by one after failing to guess correctly. But wasn't doing it the way he did the only way he could become more and more human looking?
why is dorothy 7 in this but older in 1st one
My guess is because old movies treated the experience more like a play, so Dorothy in the first Oz movie is SUPPOSED to be a little girl, and they cast a petite adult woman to play the part for her vocal skills and probably not absorbing the fact that it's not a play and the audience is going to be right up in her face KNOWING she's not a child. As a kid, I always thought Dorothy was developmentally delayed in Wizard of Oz because she seemed way too old to act so air headed about life.
@@TheFangirlWatches lol the thumb nail nome king smiling at her like hey she looks like a good gf or wife lol
I’m confused, the witches of the North and South are supposed to be Good, while the witches of the East and West are supposed to be Wicked, in order to balance things out. Therefore, it makes NO SENSE that one of the Good Witches would turn to kidnapping. Please EXPLAIN
Well Mombi was never a good witch. She once ruled the Northern part of Oz at one point until the Good Witch of the North defeated her. There probably was an evil witch of the south until Glinda defeated her.
@@melissacooper4282 Upon arriving in Oz, in at least one film adaptation, Dorothy is told that there are 2 Good Witches (North & South) and 2 Wicked/Evil Witches (East & West).
@@MiyuSawai That was true when Dorothy first arrived. Before that there were many more witches in Oz.
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Maybe he wanted to go to Kansas lol
"Auntie Em's dissatisfied with her husband! Well, well, well, this is the opportunity I've been waiting for!" 😂
When he becones completely human. He becomes the doctor. Oz is supposed to be real
Lol I googled tick tock. To revive my confidence
Mombi is the cousin of the witches East and West
Oh is that her connection? Thank you for sharing, the franchise is so large it can be hard to find details like that!
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Wait, i thought momby was the one who turned everyone into stone.
Nope, she was gifted the heads for helping the Nome King. I believe as soon as he dies that's when everyone returns to normal, so it was all on him and those Ruby Red Slippers.
@@TheFangirlWatches I'm going to have to rewatch it lol. I think it's been at least a decade. I watched it on a cassette tape. XD
I remember in the movie that the Nome King gained power from the ruby slippers that he obtained after Dorothy went back to Kansas. Mombi's part of the deal was to keep Ozma a secret from everyone since she was the rightful heir to the throne. In exchange for thirty heads from beautiful women she enchanted Ozma into a mirror.
Seventh
Thank you for swiftly coming!
Ever notice that the good witch is MIA in the sequel
It is odd that there are no mention of any Witches from the first movie. Do they actually live in Oz, or do they just float in from time to time? hmmm...
Wicked has ruined me because i'm watching this going "no that wasn't who the wizard daughter is" "no that's not how it would have gone because..." then remembering that Wicked and this aren't connected but I keep making Wicked the only Wizard of Oz canon, it's not fair on this movie for me to be thinking this lol
This movie.......
I hate it xD
Great video tho lol
@Brandon Brooks Scared the living shit out of me as a kid x3. Bad memories from it and the plot is a bit :/
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I don't think I've ever seen you this interested in one of my videos Momo. 💕 Hope you're doing well this week!
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Im 35 and i grew up on this nmovie as a child. I watched it so manmy times! maybe even more than the wizard of oz which was another childhood favorite next to PeeWee's big Adventure! Its saddens me to see the hate people have for it! what is up with all the hate to Return To OZ on youtube!?!?! people are crazy!! this movie was extravagant. Yers it may have been "creepy" but thats how the books really were. Pick up one of the Oz books from Baum and read it. Some of the wierdest sometimes creepiest and even sometimes violent things youve ever read. This movie was such a lost art peice. Its amazing. Its not the FAKE hollywood glam that the Wizard of Oz turned out to be