Why the Crimes of Grindelwald Isn't As Bad As Everyone Says (Video Essay)
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:08 My Experience With the Film
2:56 The Characters
12:07 Retcons
18:32 It's Confusing
21:24 The Flashback Writing Structure
22:35 The Climax Writing Structure
28:04 A Bridge Story
29:35 The Beasts - Krátké a kreslené filmy
The thing that has always made me believe he is different to Voldemort is when his followers gather he doesn’t bully them and they follow out of loyalty not fear
I never thought he and Voldemort were the same, Grindelwald seems more likeable and more mature to me for some reason. Voldemort wants to rule the world and Grindelwald want wizardkind to be free and not have to hide their powers, is it bad that I agree with him?
@@bellaknightR597 well you not wrong there
voldemort more like comic villain while grindelwald is like philosophy villain which relied more on manipulation and using blood supremacy while not crossing the borderline
あかねんManz he’s also stronger than voldemort slightly
Grindelwald really knows his way with words, like you know he’s up to horrible things but you just can’t find a single flaw in his reasoning
Also that unlike Voldemort, Grindelwald has known love. and there's lines that he won't cross, one primarily being fighting Dumbledore. voldemort don't care who got to go. Not even Bellatrix if she needed to 🤣
A defense of Queenie not being able to read Grindelwald's mind properly is that, maybe, Grindelwald is also an accomplished Occlumens (like Snape), and can therefore block certain thoughts from being accessed by other people
I had the same thought :D
i mean c'mon we r talking about GRINDELWALD
EXACTLY!!!!
Not maybe he is, he has to be! Why would he not?
Voldemort,a highly accomplished legilimens couldn't possibly read Grindelwald's mind while searching for elder wand..so he was killed by Voldemort ....this shows he was an accomplished occulumens
I love how in the fifth book Petunia refers to snape as “that horrible boy” and Harry and everyone else thought she was talking about James Potter until the 7th book
yeah, can you imagine what would have happened if petunia referred Snape as his name
@@matthewthetransportguy3515 ikr imagine 😳
@@nikhilsinha1990 this is just a bit of a chat that's all.
I had never noticed it!
tbh when i read that part I'm like
"Oh.. But that's Snape isn't it-"
Newt is not just a "Zookeeper" he wrote the book fantastic beasts after years of observation and let's not for get that he ranked each creature from harmless to dangerous. And let's also not forget that each creature he has, he saved 1 by 1 from their respective countries after months maybe years of venturing into uncharted dangerous territories. He Damn near domesticated a Nundu the most dangerous magical creature in existence
So he’s an environmental conservationist rather than a zookeeper? Still a worse choice than an auror.
Maybe they chose him as they thought Newt could calm the obscurus and then the aurors could deal with it, whereas when they tried to approach the obscurus (and attack it) it exploded. Newt also had an obscurus in his briefcase which didn't go berserk, so they thought he could handle it better.
@@thatsabingo6695 he said it tho, Newt is not interested in power. Which means he is not the schemer type. Its very relaxing to work with him because you wont have to worry whether he will stab you on your back. Also in my opinion an auror will have a strict training on how they handle things like in a textbook. While Newt is a more of free style magician, cuz you couldnt rely on textbook when handling those fantastic beasts. These creatures have their own characters and sets of skills, if Newt could handle a lot of them, his technical skills (and instincts) are much more broad and advance than an auror. I feel like people look down on Newt cuz he is such a goofy and socially awkward guy. I mean sometime people doubt other people’s skills because they are shy and not confident about their own skills. While believe in people who looks confident enough even tho they might be actually worse.
Also Getting Newt on your side is like “buy 1 get 1 for free”. You ask Newt for help, you are not only getting help from Newt but from his fantastic beasts as well. So you could say he might not be the best choice, but he is a trustworthy choice with lots of benefits.
@@thatsabingo6695 An auror has to work under certain laws and regulations plus the ministry didn't trust Dumbledore. So he needed to someone of his own someone who can adapt to situation like no one else can. An auror no matter how good has to use a wand to fight face to face with grindlewald who is one of the three most powerful wizards in centuries. He wouldn't last 5 seconds. where newt has a hundred tricks up his sleeves that no other Wizard can guess not even grindlewald
So what if he wrote a book?
Of course Dumbledore wanted Newt to help. He's Stephen Hawking for crying out loud
**synthesized laughter**
@Amy Turnham that is the joke...
Lmao
I wheezed after this I couldn't find Air to breathe and Laugh 😂😂😂
@@prizmarvalschi1319 oh my gosh. Haha
I watched this film 3 times now and I can't understand why people hate it.
I think because it did not live up to the expectations set by the previous movie.
People are just not focusing on tiny details
I know its so good i love this film
Probably because people just are to lazy to put in effort to understand which for some who aren't true fans just say 'I don't understand this so it's bad' but if someone did put in the effort it's a rewarding experience in my opinion
It seams like one of em said it’s bad and now everyone else agreeing like sheeps
I find it perfectly fitting for Queenie’s character to join Grindelwald considering the fact that she has been shown as a very sheltered individual. The line: “Tina, you brought men home” speaks to this because it implies she doesn’t interact frequently with other people, and her awkward interaction with the official at the French Ministry Of Magic shows that she’s very socially awkward and doesn’t have a grasp on how the world works. Jacob clearly has a better grasp on reality than she does because he doesn’t want to marry her out of fear for her getting sent to prison, but she simply doesn’t care so when she hears Grindelwald say: “I support non-magic relationships” whether or not he contradicts himself, she immediately latches onto that.
Exactly!🙂
The thing with Newt is actually a good way to show how people in the wizarding world thinks. If they're willing to recruit a magical zookeeper into fighting a wizarding terrorist because he got caught up in their conflict once, then it's no surprise that later on, they'll deem a baby to be their saviour because he was there when another wizarding terrorist supposedly died
Edit: I'm scared that just like in the sequel trilogy, the fantastic beast franchise might end up getting retconned rewritten over and over because of people's reactions to it
Judging by the trailer of Secrets of Dumbledore, it's already happening.
"Watching in my home theater" lmao he is at least humble
In my head, I was like “must be nice”
Lowkey flex
@@AAKtheThird highkey flex tf you mean
What TV is that? Looked like an 80-incher.
that's a whole ass wall
My opinion is that this would’ve made a great book, but they needed a director to cut out fat and make it less meandering
Or they need to get rid of the arbitrary 2hr 15 min time limit.
let's not make every film that has a good idea or an underlying good thing about it have a directors cut.
@@aarongeoghegan2161 agreed. We don’t need a longer film, we needed a streamlined film that trimmed the fat
@Sunny Sunny but a longer film would’ve still meandered. A lot had to be cut out
.🤔😑.
As far as Queenie's mind reading goes, did everyone just collectively forget that Occlumency is a thing? You know, the power to shut out mind readers? Good lord.
Yeah actually… The movie should have made that clear he was doing that. If that is the real reason and not just bad writing or a plot hole then it is still the movie’s fault for not showing why her mind reading failed her judgement.
I’m scared for Americans the entire nation cannot halfway critically think 🤔 even a little
Then what's the point of even having her as an ally if she can be deceived?
In the next movie she gets asked by grindelwald to conferm if the person talking is lying, why does he trust her
This is true because I read this theory that Grindelwald was skilled at oclumency like Snape as voldemort couldn't read the mind of Grindelwald while trying to figure out the owner of the elder wand so I'm pretty sure he just blocked qeeniy ( pardon my spelling)
@@randomusername3873 I mean Occlumency is stated to be a fairly rare skill. It makes sense that a wizard as powerful as Grindelwald would know it, especially given his past association with Dumbledore, a character we know can use it. However, most people aren't aware that Occlumency is even a thing, and not everyone who knows about it is actually good at it (Harry for instance). So, for 99% of people, Queenie's ability would be incredibly useful.
Grindelwald:Knows love and actually has a heart.
Voldemort:Has no heart.
When you put the cursed child in the trash, I laughed to death
Thanks movieflame!
It deserved to go in the trash
I kina like the cursed child soo.......................
@@shurikenblast Alright Potterheads need to disown you😂😂😂
For real though, Why? How?
I find the Cursed Child an interesting plot, but consider it a fan fiction canonically.
Now this is a Potterhead channel I trust
Same
Yeah i love this channel
Yep
Me too not Seamus Gorman’s though.
same
Don't trust people's review. Trust your own watching experience. When i watched it the first time, I was confused with lots of plots but after watching the 3rd movie, I went back to this. It all went so poetic. It doesn't mean it's a perfect movie. It just showed me so many details that I had forgot on my first watch.
It’s nice to see a critic that actually looks into a piece of media properly and cares about so much to find valid points and defend it rightfully, and it’s nice to see someone prove Cosmonaut Variety Hour wrong.
I seriously can't stand people/reviewers like Cosmonaut Variety Hour
I used to like Cosmonaut for the lolz, but this is the first movie review that I caught all of his cherry picked evidence and misleading edits. Making certain plot points seem pointless and nonsensical when there were more legitimate criticisms to focus on. Ugh.
I like Cosmonaut but he clearly struggles with objective criticism of things he’s passionate about. You see the problem way more in his long form reviews, where he often has contradictory logic but doesn’t seem to notice.
Cosomaut is super entertaining but damn a lot of his criticism is either nitpicking or not analysing a scene properly. His Harry Potter movie reviews are arguably the biggest example of it. His bias against Rowling was so irritating and a lot ot the criticism for certain characters or plot points felt like the same usual, tiring, stupid thing people’ve been saying for a long time
@@tragicallyfunny theres also people like the critical drinker, i used to like him until his shang chi review. he talked multiple times about how shang chi has no chemistry with katy while in reality katy's grandmother asked shang chi and shang chi clearly said that theyre just friend. or about how he sarcastically doesnt like empowered women but at the same time he supports arcane with their empowered women. like whats the difference? arcane female characters are strong without diminishing the males, and in shang chi its also the same
Grindelwald:
Nooo you can’t just kill an innocent baby. I can’t even watch
Voldemort:
Haha green death light go brrrr
Agreed
Bellatrix while torturing the Longbottoms be like:𝘩𝘢𝘩𝘢 𝘳𝘦𝘥 𝘭𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘤𝘳𝘶𝘤𝘪𝘰 𝘤𝘳𝘶𝘤𝘪𝘰 𝘨𝘰 𝘣𝘳𝘳
Sorry
And then he dies....😐
But Grindelwald also killed a baby...
I mean not the one in the movie but I'm sure he has killed many young people before
The thing about Newt being "only a zookeeper", I think a lot of people tend to forget that he doesn't only keep and watch after lovely creatures like niffler but he deals with all sort of creatures, and magical creatures a lot of the time aren't exactly "lovely" and "peaceful" but Newt still being one piece and without visible harm to him despite dealing with all those creatures. So he should be pretty skilled in defense, has a very fast reaction and has bunch of other pretty useful skills when it comes to both dealing with wild magical creatures and combating a wizard.
Also Newt is the first of his kind I think. I might be wrong but I think before him wizards just treated the creatures as monsters and that was it. Newt changed that by actively searching for them and trying to understand them. He's the reason we see care for magical creatures class in the original HP series. It's not an easy job and it was a revelation. He might be a sweet hufflepuff but he's freaking important in more than one ways.
Plus he is not equivalent to a zoo-keeper. he is equivalent to a zoo-logist and there is a great difference between these two .
@@curiousuniverse7415 wait I thought people knew that..... I mean isn't he known as a famous magizoologist in the HP books? Plus it's something I wanted to specialize in as a kid... I wanted to be a dragon Tamer or a magizoologist.... My top 2 careers if I was in the HP world
He’s a Pokémon trainer
nifffler cute
I was there at Carnegie Hall when JK announced that Dumbledore was gay. A fan asked her a question regarding his love interest and she genuinely seemed puzzled and just said she always saw him as gay. It was really clear to everyone that she alrwady had this as part of his character but didn't gay bait the story.
Johnny Depp being replaced is so bad, he’s a legend
Mads will surely do much better job. At least won't see Depp's drunken face in this franchise
@@capybaratalks if your bothered by something as small as that it's extremely sad
I agree I love him in this movie
@@capybaratalks And now after the lawsuit is settled, just how STUPID do you sound right now?
@@capybaratalks Johnny depp won bruh fucking dumbass
Me seeing the title:
"People hate this movie?"
@@hardikbalani2057 I literally didnt know this movie had any bad criticism until is saw this video lol
I love it
@@arwat_ Same! I really liked Jude Law as Dumbledore.
Same
same reaction to me when i found about people hating the star wars prequels
Personally I think it should have been called: The Rise of Grindelwald
Then tf you call the first movie
@@cameronscamerabusiness6675 Fantastic Beasts and Where to find them? I mean idk the 1st dosen't even have the world grindelwald in it
Definitely not. As a director i would avoid the words "Rise of" in the title wherever i can, because it is just overused. Crimes of Grindelwald on the other hand is original.
Me: IMPROVING THAT TITLE
I still have ptsd from rise of shitwalker so no
Does no one remember the end of the 1st Fantastic Beast? They show Jacob’s bakery and a bunch of his baked goods look like the Fantastic Beast and when asked where he gets his ideas from he says “I don’t know, they just come to me”. Immediately after you see Queenie inside the shop and he immediately recognized her and then touches the back of his neck as if a faint memory comes to the surface. To me that seems as if he would remember some of if not all of the events of the movie. So why is it so far fetched that he remembers those things in this movie. And there can also be “reasons” why he remembered. 1 The bad memories clause and he only had good memories. 2 The venom when he was bitten and the subsequent cure He was given could have had strange effects that blocked the rains affects…3 Queenie giving him a potion…and there can be a bunch of other ways…
In the first film, the scene where Newt takes Jacob into the case and the swooping evil first appears Newt says that it's Venom is meant to cure negative memories. So Jacob rembering everything isn't a retcon
This has to be the most professional and dignified review of this movie I've come across so far. I'm not JK Rowling's biggest fan, but I understood where she was going with this, and I feel like fans and casual moviegoers were just desperate to nitpick and tear this movie apart.
same thing again with movie 3.
Watched it great Film .the issue is people still hear harry poter meaning light and childmovie
@@indedgames4359 true.. i just watched the movie too and its not perfect but its not bad either.. i actually kinda like it
Transphobe
actually you have to be way more desparate to look over all the retcons and contradicions that happened in this movie
@@indedgames4359 good job completely not understanding the critiques against the movie
Also, couldn’t Grindewald have been using Occlememcy to shield his true thoughts and intentions from Queenie?
hence the reason why Queenie failed at intrerpreting Grindelwald's thoughts.
I think its different with Queenie because she has this power and was born with it.
Exactly
He was doing it, Exactly my Point, you are right.
i thought the same thing but is there something that maybe grindelwald could not do enough occlumency since queenie was very talented legimens or something like that so she misread it?
Bro one of the best quotes ever said was in this movie and it was “You never met a monster you couldn’t love” shit almost made me cry
OMG , thank you , im not the only one 😁
@aqua blu I think that’s exactly what she meant, kind of subtly letting on that she knew Newt had a thing for her all those years and it brings even more ambiguity to ‘I love you’ before her sacrifice
I felt so fucking sorry for Leta the whole movie tbh...
Yes, that's a very strong line.
this guy is the definitive potterhead, he changed my whole idea of the movie, I still don't enjoy the movie but I can't say that I hate it anymore
You don't even enjoy the acting ?
Especially Johhny Depp and Jude Law ?
I also had a negative reception primarily from outside sources since I only read the scriptwriting like a year ago but now I feel the need to slap myself in the face and reread the script
this video is perfection - very well done and everything very well said! you are in the right 100%, and it sounds like you really understand this story in ways that other people didn’t. thank you for pointing everything out that you did!
It just feels like JK made a long film and broke it up into 5 parts and this was just an awkward slice. I went into the movie with this in mind and it didn't feel bad. However it does feel off as a stand alone movie.
I bet it will feel better when we can binge the whole series.
Honestly yeah
Kinda like the divergent series but at least this is more coherent
I get what you mean but if it was a one long film it would be TERRIBLE! There is so much detail that it would be way more confusing than this movie (crimes of grindlewald)
Yeah like people found avengers age of ultron off and people didn't understand it but now they do.
the lord of the rings comes to mind but the movies fix the splitting problem
same
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@@nahlataha1744 Yeah and then there are people who say this is my opinion, and yours is wrong! with no evidence. For example Ricegum
Well that's what I love about MovieFlame is that he's able to say well I think this person's opinion is wrong and then be able to fully explain with evidence to back it up why he thinks that they're wrong. MovieFlame always gives essays that are so well thought out so articulate and backed up by actual evidence rather than them being empty opinions. because the one thing I learned in English class if you're going to give an opinion you need to have evidence to back up your opinion in order to make it valid and MovieFlame really does a great job of that.
But he’s right
@@nahlataha1744 I love all of these channels.
My main complaint is that these movies aren’t self-contained. Sure, there’s going to be 5 of them and they need an overarching story and conflict. But there were 7 HP books and each of them had their own thing going on. Philosopher’s Stone had, well, the philosopher’s stone. Goblet had the triwizard tournament. Even HPB had Slughorn’s memory and the search for the Horcrux. But fantastic beast movies have nothing going on. It’s like, the thing that these movies are about aren’t actually what the movies are about. In the first one, Newt’s trying to recapture his escaped beasts, but what’s actually important is Graves/Grindelwald seducing Credence. In the second one, everyone’s trying to figure out who Credence is, but it’s actually about Dumbledore trying to get his blood pact back. As an audience, we’re given no set up for this. We don’t know why we need to care. The second one is the biggest offender of this. You can’t watch only the second one. You’re going to have to watch the next movies to see why this one mattered. Prisoner of Azkaban was the first HP I saw. I didn’t catch everything, but it was easy to see why the things that were happening mattered. In Crimes of Grindelwald, if you had never watched any of the other movies, you’d have no idea what was going on the whole time and you would have no idea what the purpose of the movie was. All of it’s runtime is just building up to Newt getting the blood pact and us finding out Credence is Aurelius Dumbledore, 2 things that had absolutely no set up, and 2 things that have no explanation as to why we should care. So now we HAVE to watch the next ones.
Ther Was Set up to this innthe first Film.
Credence ws adaptet that Was the Set up.
Then the Bild he takes care of Sets up a Red hearing of the lestrange and the phonix
I agree this movie was just bad overall.
The reason Grindelwald is so dangerous is because his public face is so seductive. He's not just an evil baddie like Voldemort. He perfectly mirrors the most powerful dictators, he's charming and intelligent.
The scene where he predicts WW2 is so powerful because as Jacob says, "no, not another war." Nobody wants a war and that's something Grindelwald can use.
I honestly wish she would have released these as 5 books that go along with the movies
The firs book wasnt really a book either. It was more like a screenplay
YESSSSS!!! Finally someone with a lick of sense.
It would be really cool and hopefully once all the movies release she will do so
Lol a 7 book series please🙇♀️
I think she might have done better to write books, publish them and let them be turned into movies.
Also, on Dumbledore’s sexuality... of course it wasn’t mentioned in the books. It’s told from Harry’s perspective, and there’s no reason for Harry to know this. What would Dumbledore just go, ‘Hey, just FYI, I’m Gay, bye.’
Why would Rowling be like "Hey FYI, Hermoine is black, and before toilets were invented wizards would relieve themselves, and vanish whatever came out"
I think the bigger issue is when this new movie franchise came about it was made very clear that Dumbledore was being thrown back into the closet. Sorry but JK doesn't get credit for an off hand comment in a single interview in 2007 when she was given the chance to actually follow through we got crickets. As much as randomly changing the race of Hermione made me cringe as a political move at least there was some follow through on that.
Well, as Harry explored and uncovered the truth about Dumbledore in the seventh book, it would’ve eventually come to light. You’re right, he wouldn’t have just been like “hey, i’m gay” but it should’ve been discussed/discovered by harry eventually. But is wasn’t, because J.K only said that Dumbledore was gay to please the LGBTQ+ community and feign supporting the inclusion of LGBTQ+ people in literature.
@@vikkran401 being straight doesn't need to be part of most characters for plot reasons but we know their sexualities anyways from character descriptions due from the author, even when it's not in the original story or related to the plot.
Why do people have to justify being gay when no one has to justify being straight?
If Dumbledore was confirmed straight and that he had a girlfriend during hogwarts that broke his heart and that's why he's currently single when asked by a fan or an interviewer, no one would care.
It would just be extra lore being givin outside we of the books.
Proof? McGonagall ALSO had a backstory added outside of the books but I don't hear people complaining that there's no proof she's straight and that her sexuality isn't plot relevant and there for is "unbelievable". Of all the characters with confirmed backstories and sexualities, only the gay one is being scrutinized.
No one has to prove they are gay and it's the exact same as being straight, it's something that ONLY comes up when talking about a backstory and if someone hides their PRIVATE information then of course you'll never know.
Being simply being gay isn't less believable than being straight and we never got anything confirming he's straight either so there's no proof against it.
It's literally just about him being gay, and he is so get over it.
you expect a telling of Dumbledore's sexuality in children's books?
I don't understand what the problem with Dumbledore being gay is, though I don't like the other changes she made I don't have any problem with this one
1) it makes for a interesting story
2) it adds more to the story
3) it gives Dumbledore more dimension
4) it doesn't contradict Canon
5) it's hinted in the deathly Hallows
Also imagine your headmaster calling you and saying he dated Hitler 100 years ago... That would be a akward conversation
Facts XD
Where in deathly hallows was it hinted….
It’s the 4th point for me, they never said that dumbledore was straight, so how in the world is that a recon
don’t rely on social media for opinions never do always rely on your own opinion to get the facts
It's honestly hilarious how some of the criticisms are from people misinterpreting or completely misremembering entire scenes. It goes to show how easy it is to complain about something as opposed to analyzing and understanding it
Exactly or bandwagon on the hate.
The weirdest complaint about this movie is that people thought credence's was dead. Honestly how do you miss that?
Juuuuuup
not paying attetion.... im pretty sure i knew he was still alive
The plot is simply boring: one guy is evil and powerful, u cant defeat him, the end
No it’s not plot is amazing
Exactly! Especially since it's not something that needed to be extrapolated from details or assumed; you just have to, you know, watch the movie.
Disregarding the odd statements Rowling has made over the years and looking at just the assertion that Dumbledore and Grindelwald had a relationship... well, it makes sense for Dumbledore's character. He's a wizard very much reminiscent of old stories of Merlin, and a man the likes of which Aristotle may have bandied words against. It makes a good deal of sense that his first non-familial relationship with a wizarding peer would end up being very intimate, considering his lack of interaction and personally-wrought alienation from much of the outside world.
Historically speaking, this sort of thing happened very often before WWII. It was an implied truth that very close friends might develop this sort of relationship, though it was never discussed openly. Why not? Because everyone had their own reason to say it's immoral or illogical or whatever other spiel they could crank out that amounted to "I wouldn't do it and therefore you shouldn't either".
Thankfully, we have writers such as Oscar Wilde who gave an actual insight into the life of a gay man before the Gay Liberation movements of the 1960s-'70s, and it's really quite similar to what Rowling describes in relation to Dumbledore - a friendship that becomes a romance, maintaining that strong bond between the two (such as the case between Wilde and Lord Alfred Douglas), even in later years. Most people can therefore imagine the guilt one would feel if their partner led them to do something awful, like (in Dumbledore's eyes) inducing the death of a family member. Moreover, it is not difficult at all to see the fiery conviction to do - and become - better, to fix the things you have any actual hope of fixing, to atone for those mistakes made while taken up in the dream of one's own self-importance. Thus, Dumbledore's initial reluctance, but later full acceptance, of his duty to defeat Grindelwald.
From an alternate angle, Dumbledore can be viewed as reflecting a great many of the classical Greek virtues, himself acting throughout the books like a great thinker or philosopher of old, and it stands to reason that with characterisation like that, Rowling would also decide to portray his private inclinations in a similar light. Let's be honest: with names like "Ludo" (meaning "games" in Latin) for a sports commentator, Rowling was only ever superficially subtle with her characters and their personalities.
Great job. Finally some different view rather than just everyone bashing the movie and jumping on the hater bandwagon. It's like they really let the hate or others' opinion overshadow their own thought. Like, do people seriously think the person who writes one of the most successful novel series in the world would just put random retcon into the story? Nah...smh
Internet is the place where information and opinion spread fast. What make it worse is that people often jump to the conclusion or follow what most others think without giving proper thought before.
Thank you very much for making this video.
Did everyone forget the end of the movie where Jacob's pastries are shaped like magical creatures?. Because I remembered and was so confused why everyone said that was a retcon.
No one says that's a retcon, for myself and a lot of others, we believed that those beast pastries were examples of the "amnesia flashes" trope where some people get flashes of memories and they can't explain it, but they just remember it like a dream. Its also the explanation I was led to believe for Jacob smiling at Queenie, not because he remembered her, but because it was "love at first sight", subconsciously influenced by the relationship they had. However, its also the reason why I wasn't so surprised with Jacob in CoG, because I just assumed it was a case of Queenie bringing back the memories that Jacob hadn't really forgotten, just locked away.
@@yanyanzhang5813 there are articles.
@@KanavDev dude, no one needs out enough to read articles on this and can still function normally in society. 99% of people have better things to do.
@@yanyanzhang5813
Pieces of lost memories come into something you love.
@@yanyanzhang5813 also go to 15:58. Literally in this video he talks about Jacob having his memory after the first movie because of the memory charm is a retcon. If you watched the video you commented under more carefully you'd know what my original comment was referring to.
This Is a great movie. But muggles and squibs weren't ready for it.
True
😄
So true
BUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRNNNNNNN
@Lockjaw yeah, we saw you
I love the fact that you have your own opinion and stick to it. Your way of explaining yourself makes you seem like a nice person. Well done! :)
I liked both Fantastic Beasts movies...I'm so glad to finally find a video that agrees with my opinion cuz I kinda thought I was the only one who actually liked it. I'm really excited to see The Secrets of Dumbledore when it finally comes out.
A lot of great points, and I would like to add my own thoughts for consideration:
Queenie: also remember that she was under a LOT of psychological stress at the time. In a bid to find her sister, she opened her mind to the crowd in Paris, and was inundated in thoughts. Imagine having hundreds of conversations echoing in your head all at once.
Leta: I think she's meant to be a foil to Voldemort. Last of an old Pureblood family. Born of a loveless, coerced relationship. Involved in the deaths of family members. Involved in an incident with a magical beast that got an innocent student expelled. Yet despite her similarities, she made VERY different choices, further reinforcing Rowling's theme of choice, not birth, determining our destinies.
For the hate, I think it's symptomatic of our times. People are just not as willing to wait or compromise as they used to be. (Great I sound like an old man don't I?). There's no "let's agree to disagree" anymore. As Anakin put it "If you're not with me, then you're my enemy".
I wish that Rowling had written the series as books first. She seems to be forgetting than she isn’t adapting books and the audience doesn’t have an existing story to go on. I hope the story will become clearer later.
While I liked the two movies, I do think you're right. It might take longer but ìf she still wants to take part of directing, it might be easier to write a summary of the important parts with an existing book.
A book would also give us more time with some characters and more creatures :)
Yeah that was the main problem of the movie that’s why it was bad
Yeah i agree personally i feel the script format it lacking and doest tell enouh about a story, unless its being presented
Book set in this period would be amazing, and would probably be better than just movies.
@@venmis137 yeah, she should have writen books and then they should have adapted them.
Phenomenal and precise analysis of the crimes of Grindelwald. And I completely concur that this underrated film was quite enjoyable and a lot of missed details by audiences
Thank you for putting the part in there about Credence surviving. It was something I picked out right away and was shocked so many others who were reviewing this and the first movie didn't. It was so completely obvious to me and I can only believe they must have been rushing to the que for the toilet to have missed it. Well done.
I love how movieflame breaks down everything and not just praise everything or hate everything.
I never thought it was a bad movie and I don’t understand how people do
I wish I chould say the same but I only did not like it for about 2 weeks🙄
It’s just people who can’t see a bigger picture. If you’re narrow minded and focus mainly on the now you will see the movie as bad however if you can look to the future it’s awesome or simply good
AGREED
When I was in film school I had Rowling's writing as a reference and subject of study in creative narrative writing. I remember that since the first movie it felt like a story which would translate way batter in novel form.
FBCG has problematic writing, from a screenplay standpoint, because Rowling was too much of a novelist and too little of a screenwriter. And, to be honest, it didn't surprise me at all. I expected the movies to have the exact problems they have, when I heard she was going to write the screenplay.
One can have a good story and not know how to translate it into a screenplay… which is a production document/guide on how to block and structure the movie, a general guide.
In my opinion three factors contribute to the controversy these movies create. Problematic writing being only the first one. The second one being the lazy directing they have. I feel like Yates has become too cocky or tired or comfortable with his directing.
And, at last, a lot of us have become accustomed, by the HP series, to going into the cinema fired by the excitement of seeing the latest adaptation of a Harry Potter book brought to the big screen. I believe it's a different feeling going in blind into this story and that might tamper the experience a lot of us were used to.
Thats why, in my opinion, Harry Potter movies suffered so little from problematic writing, it had vast source material to adapt from and was adapted by people who were experienced in screenwriting. The reservations most people had was from the plot adaptations and directing choices, not the screenplay itself.
I'm excited for the FBSD movie cuz I believe it might have a better written screenplay… I just hope Yates delivers as a director.
I just love the fact that you try to turn hate into love amazes me
Jacob remembering what happened in the first movie is explained when Newt treats his murtlap bite. Newt says he’s working on a potion that “erases bad memories.” Sound familiar?
@@vikkran401 He isn't. The entire point of the last scene is to show that it wasn't fully working on him.
@@vikkran401 First of all, the pastries are shaped like magical creatures. Also, the way Jacob looks at her has the appearance of faint recognition. The scene definitely seems to hint that the effect didn't fully take for him.
What if other poeple had good memories from that night? It doesn't make sense.
@@vikkran401 He may have been in danger but that doesn't mean he wasn't happy. During the first film he is scared and confused at first but starts to open up and accept his situation and starts to form friendships and even a love interest in Queenie so if he forgot anything it was how he cane to be in a suitcase with a guy tending to creatures he thinks are cool.
He remembers the creatures and designs his pastries after them because he was amazed by these creatures he has never seen.
Also he tells Newt in the second film that Queenie filled the bad memories in for him.
@@vikkran401 because if they didn't people would put Rowling to trial saying why didn't the ministry prevent them from letting Jacob keep his memories? The point of it was to give the movie a good ending to where one character had an adventure and u began to love that character and u learned that his memories of everything are needed to be erased. We don't know how the magic worked maybe it erased every magic theme from his memories, yet as he remembers them from day to day object and dreams and when Queenie left the bakery that was the final trigger to his memories since only bad ones were truly erased.
I also want to add that Katherine Waterston and Eddie Redmayne's chemistry in this film series is just utterly phenomenal
Yeah agree I absolutely love Newt and Tina's relationship
@Ben Franklin That’s kinda the point tho isn’t it?
@Ben Franklin I understand your point, but that is there relationship because that is there characteristics. Newt is a shy, quiet, brave, considerate, uncomfortable, detailed character, and Tina is a little more outspoken, brave, kind, and flustered character. There character relationship is supposed to be awkward and especially after she thought that he got “engaged”, and she thought they had something. Frankly it makes sense that their relationship was a little off or “cringey.” The reason for that is because that is how they both felt, and going along with their personalities. It would make sense for it to be awkward especially for Tina, thinking that this man she had fallen in love with and gotten to know personally just got engaged. For Newt he has always been awkward, that is who he is so I think their relationship in this movie is realistic. It may be awkward because that is how it would be, besides they are going to make more movies so their relationship could improve. This was just to share my opinion, I’m not saying your wrong.
They have the cutest relationship ever
At least its better than the Hinny in half-blood prince. god that was awful
I love this film. Maybe because I really pay attention to details and I do t mind if a story takes a break to give historical information or stories. I still do t get the hate on it.
Honestly people are just toxic these days, if movies and shows aren’t the best thing ever or tugs on nostalgia than it trash in the eyes of most people. People just care way too much and can’t just enjoy things anymore
Same here
@@100StepProgram if it’s not 7 seconds of constant action stimulation
Thank you for making this video. It was really well thought out and explored the issues people had with the film. This video deserves more views.
I still don't know where to find fantastic beasts
me too
HBO max
Me either, though, my dogs are pretty fantastic beasts
You can buy the book and find out like everyone else lol
The first one is there on amazon and the second one is there on Netflix
It’s kind of silly to judge the film as a whole when it’s just a piece of the whole puzzle. Thank you for a positive perspective.
It’s like the deathly hallows part 1 movie. The trio strives to destroy horcruxes of Voldemort but the climax is the Malfoy Manor. All before the climax is preparation of the battle of hogwarts which is present in the sequel.
This is such a good video! I'm that person that's read the original HP books like 20 times and STILL managing to discover a new detail each time 🤔 I needed to watch this video fr, and now I can rewatch CoG movie actually knowing what's up 😍
I think it's easy for a man to diss on a woman for beitng
"TrAnSPhObiC."
After all, it's women who are mainly affected by laws that basically eliminate woman's spaces.
Men just don't face that obstical.
So when a man bashes a woman for being unhappy with laws that make it so anyone can just go "Where they identify"
It kind of looks really heartless.
THANK YOU!
Grindelwald: *skilled in convincing people*
Me: If he was still alive now. He would be the best Among Us player
Red: grindellwald sus
Grindellwald: (who actually is the imposter) I was fixing wires in electrical.
Everyone: understandable, have a great day.
@@Ruaridh4 not anymode since players believe the one who points first
I think only match up for him is Tom riddle ( not in voldy state) and young Albus bcs they also very convincing and manipulative.
Our priorities of memes these days...........
LMFAOOOO
This video is just perfect. You have perfectly summed up why this is actually a good film with points that I agree with and make sense when you really think about it.
You are definitely one of the smartest CZcamsrs I know. Well done, Morgan.
Oh and I can't believe you used a tweet I sent you in the video, lol.
Where you the ye that kinda looks like it
@@after8350 Yeah. I was the one on the bottom.
@@lukebaxter3252 nice
Hell yeah!!!!!!!
He is smart especially with the Leta Lily connection also both there names start with an l
The Goblet of Fire is the same as Crimes of Grindelwald. It's a good story with bad exucution on the big screen.
Thank you for this...it took me seeing the movie like 10times for me to begin to understand it. And it eventually grew on me. Your explanation was A+..GREAT JOB...
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I literally watch it a few times a month. I feel like people are just clinging to HP and not willing to explore the vastness of the wizarding world.
Tbh nothing I love more than New York, music and clothing from the 20’s and magic
I agree.
Nice ❤️
I actually loved the first one, the second one is just not doing it for me
@Lockjaw Did you actually watch the video and consider his points?
To me, the fantastic movies are better than the Harry potter
Did nobody notice how Jacob had pastries of magical creatures in his bakery????
So it was in first film already that he didnt forget. Even when a customer asks where the idea comes from he smirks and says it just comes knowing the No-maj or muggle wont believe that his ideas comes from Magical creatures.
Lol even a 8 y/o would notice that
I literally saw that
I guess ppl dont like to wait for the end of the movie and start criticizing
He also smiled at Queenie in the end of the first film
Most people's attention span tends to drop at the last 3 minutes of a film, it's natural.
And while hinted upon and somewhat implied, I wouldn't call that a satisfying explanation that makes sense.
@@vimalmishra4346 was just about to say that
@@conserztasfia0078 Nope. I like this movie and watched the first one 3 times before this movie came out. I was led to believe that like other amnesia stereotypes, its just a case of Jacob getting flashes of memory that even he can't explain, and I'm sure that's true for a lot of other people.
And that's the reason why you're my favorite Harry Potter Channel. I love how you see beyond the obvious and look closely the details. Congratulations for this amazing job. Can't wait for more.
Thank you for this wonderfully interesting, clear and expressive exploration of a movie (or movies) that I dearly love! I found your style of writing and speaking to be really compelling, and a great many insights to be provocative and fascinating. For instance, I love the idea of Leta as creating a magical protection for the Scamander brothers as she dies, just as Lily Potter did for Harry.
That whole “just a zookeeper” has me so riled up. Everyone in literally every story is “just” one thing or another until the plot changes is up.
Cinderella was “just a housemaid” until the plot happened
Katniss Everdeen was “just a girl from District 12” until the plot happened
Even Dumbledore himself was “JUST A PROFESSOR” until the plot with Grindelwald happens.
The probability of a character being in a certain situation doesn’t matter because it’s a STORY
Dumbledore met Grindelwald for the first time, when he was a teenager. He was an extraordinary student even at that time
Cinderella was a fucking slave! NOT a housemaid!
@@parvathy3302 you’re right. My point about Dumbledore was unfounded at the time and I’ve since read more into the lore :)
@@MrParkerman6 i understand the anger at my mistake, but that also wasn’t the point.
@@MrParkerman6 (they're the same thing buddy boy. Using a different word for it doesn't change the fact that a housemaid is a slave.)
oh when i read the title i got so happy!
see people im not the only person who thinks it wasn’t that bad!!!
Thats how I feel all the time about the sequel star wars trillogy
@@riverscurry2436 omg finally someone who doesn't hate it!
I like this movie
It IS good.
Dont @t me
Thank you! I never understand why people didn't like the movie. I always get chills when they are fighting Grindelwald and the dragons!
Exactly how I felt finally
I think people are also complaining about Nagini not being the way they imagined her after seeing her in the Harry Potter movies. But I never understood this complain because there are still three movies to come out which could and will show her character development 🤗
I think that more people need to see this video because u really explain everything well.
I think one of the reasons this movie, and the previous one, get a lot of hate is because, unlike the original Harry Potter series, we don't have a series of books to compare this series with.
also because it's a backlash to the author's scandals for a lack of better term.
We also don't have a likable/relatable main character. Fantastic beasts needs a major improvement going forward but unfortunately most of that damage is already done with casting.
We also don't get a happy endings because it's "too confusing"
Even though we dont have the book there is at least the screen play right
@@Matt-dc8lp Actually, Newt Scammander is a very likable/relatable character imo, maybe even more so than Harry Potter. He is socially awkward and sweet, and has problems interacting with people, which is something so many people, including myself, can relate to and like about him.
Your videos always get me back into Harry Potter.
Like when I stop reading the books or watching videos and the movies, its for a while
But then when you come out with another video, it gets me straight back into it
Yes!!!
Inject this video in veins. Glad someone made this. Love COG and glad it’s getting its recognition.
My first throught while watching the first FB movie was "this feels just like reading the HP books"
and your video gives evidence that the 2nd FB is even more so. I totally agree on the diffrence between book writing and screen writing, because books has the time to go deeper into small details simply by wording it out.
Movies on the other hand are often boring when they are too wordy, and it feels like it holds holdsback the story that is being told.
I didnt think about it, but I totally agree: The film is a bad adaption on a screenplay that shouldve been a book.
I think in general Rowling shouldve written this story as a book series first, and then get a screenwrite adapt them instead
Warner owns the rights though rowling just has Power over what happens nowdays so it Was them telling her in 2007 ther want to make movies about that
The Cursed Child is total rubbish. I, too, like the FB movies, including Crimes of Grindelwald, but we need to realize the story isn't even half way told yet.
Exactly, and people need to stop thinking of it as another Harry Potter film. It is a whole different film in all ways, that happens to be in the same universe. I’m exited to see how Newt evolves. Also they did a great job laying out the plot threads going forward. Can’t wait for 3, I think it’ll show people that it’s a great series. It’ll be the key film that’s talked about for years.
We can all agree that the cursed child is a good play, but not good for Pottermore fans. Also people have to realise that this isn't a sequel. Its the explanation that the community have been asking for for a decade: what happened when Grindelwald was in power. It is every bit as detailed and perfectly plotted out as the first series, with outstanding characters. A work of genuis
My Hinny heart do not like hate for Cursed child I need a movie for this
I still refuse t believe that it is cannon to the story. Rowling contradicted herself so much, just....rEeeEeeEee
I don't think you are a true Harry Potter fan.(Morgan is one) to me if you truly love it then you have to like anything that is realted to it.
Im here to vouch for Johnny depp to return as grindelwald even tho he already public said hes not returning due to being forced out 😭😭
if we keep pushing them, they will eventually have to bring him back
Already cast Madds Mikkelsen
Not a bad choice...but at this pace Grindelwald will have different faces in each film
@@my2randomcents Madds is a better actor anyway. I hate what’s happened to Johnny but I’m totally down for this casting.
he was great in the role, real shame he has been forced out over something which is very dubious.
I mean he made them pay quite some money. There is no point for them in bringing him back.
It’s like how a teacher says when you ask a question, *wait for me to finish explaining everything*
My reaction as a pre movies Harry Potter fan when Rowlling said Dumbledore was gay
"Hm... yeah.. Makes sense"
Y’all i enjoyed this movie and i dont care about what people say
others: this movie sucks
MovieFlame: Well, no. heres why:
Exactly 👍
Yes
He got evidence, so he shall prove
Tbh i prefer the second one more than the first one for many reasons
1.there are many likeable characters here in the first one i only liked newt and found him special
Not even tina or queenie where in second one
Not only ww found new epic characters like lita Theseus albus and gellert
But also all those old characters became more likeable like queenie jacob
2. The first one film honestly had nothing like the hp we saw magic in the muggle world instead of the wizarding world we never saw hogwarts etc it was completely different which honestly made me mad that its just totally a different thing from the original series it was just for the sake of name where in the second one was related with hp we saw albus minerva hogwarts etc
3.that ending scene of the second movie that was just epic and also it left a lot of mysteries and curiosity about nagini and stuff we also saw her as a human not snake and she wasnt a bad woman
4.it was sirius and dark compared to the previous one the first one was bright and colorful(which i dont mind cz i really like colorful stuff but the story is about adults not teens like harry so this time i prefer the sirius one)
But truly i love both of them honestly both of them are good and bad in their own way which makes it perfect
@@conserztasfia0078 same
Newt Scamander is no pushover. His detective skills are top-notch. I've never seen any other wizard handle a case like he does.
Jeez man, I’ve never watched a video more persuasive. Got me thinking this one of my favorite movies now lol. Go job on the video
I have one question on Queenie not reading Grindelwalds mind correctly:
Wouldn't it be possible that Grindelwald is just pretty good at Occlumency? That other wizards or witches can't shield themself from her Legilimancy could be due to the fact that she was born with a great aptitude for the skill. But even Voldemort couldn't read Grindelwalds mind so he had to be pretty good at Occlumency...
I don't understand why everybody is so quick at hating things like that.
But Queenie first met Grindelwald's minion, who lured her into the house. I don't understand why she couldn't even read that woman's mind...And simply just followed her
@@alliefu7499 be patience and wait for 3rd movie okay
The series is a prequel. Newcomers themselves need a justification as to why Queenie can't read his mind. Not just that, even old fans need some sort of confirmation because Grindelwald is not a developped character in the books or movies. We don't know the extent of his power. Sure, being a great Occlumens seems like a given, but it really wouldn't hurt to tell us so that no one is left wondering why a woman with the natural gift of mind reading can't get inside his head
I always figured Grindelwald was a master at occlumency, and also likely he knows how to manipulate a legilimens by giving false information.
I think people forget how powerful Grindelwald actually was, possibly because we never really see Dumbledore's "true power" in Harry Potter bar little flashes
Then why rely on her judgement if she can just be lied to
Completely agree. Still confused about the hate.
I liked this movie! It was a pretty good movie! It wasn't bad and fits into canon better than the cursed child. Dumbledore can be gay and I honestly don't care either way. Gellert or Greta Grindelwald, it really shouldn't matter. If the gender was changed, no one would really care and no one would whine about it. They're good movies, I don't care what the fandom says, I'm watching the whole series again.
I’m interested to see what they’re gonna do with Nagini in films 3-5. There’s something so interesting to me about her character. She was in like a constant state of sadness and agony throughout COG. The actress portraying her really captured that sympathetic look. I want her to have a happy ending but unfortunately that won’t be the case. Poor girl…
I feel like people forget that HP wasn’t always straight forward either. I think if I hadn’t read the books I wouldn’t have understood a lot of things when seeing the movies for the first time. I have plenty of friends who say they had to watch the HP Movies two or three times to really understand and see all the connections and storyline. I hab the same with the Second Fantastic beasts movie, after watching it three times it makes so much more sense. And that’s something I admire about JK Rollings work. I sometimes find myself finding new details in even the HP Films even though I have watched them like a 100 times
Agree
Yup, that's the magic of JK's art
I see what you're saying, but I think it actually IS a problem. And your comparison to the HP movies is 100% valid. A very common critique of the HP movies is that a lot of things don't really make sense or aren't explained well. So your comparison is completely true, but your comparison is showing the flaws in the HP movies, not showing how masterful the FB movies are. IMHO.
That was a flaw in the adaptation of the books to movies and the process of cutting out information. Every book loses information when translating it to a movie script but the screen writers for HP cut out a lot that shouldn't have been cut in the first place, thus removing information that was necessary to understand the story. Without the background of the novels, the movies made little sense to many people.
Movie flame, I need you to know that this video pretty much put me in tears. I agree with you so much in this and the call out of other videos is very appropriate. I remember watching the cosmonaut video a while ago and it thinking that a lot of his character evaluations are just so false but I saw a majority of the internet agreeing with it... it’s not the best movie better but there are a ton of great qualities
Edit: the queenie thing is still a plot hole. I see your explanation but still
It’s not a good movie, and cosmonauts evaluation of the movie is pretty spot on, regardless everyone has an opinion
It is one of the best Harry Potter stories to date and no one should hate it adds so much continuity.
It still a pretty bad movie
Payton Lara regarding Queenie, it also fits her personality. She wants to live a life in America with Jacob, but him being a Muggle and she being a wizard, they legally couldn’t. It makes sense for her to join Grindewald because he is campaigning for the values and freedoms she believes in. The freedom to love whoever, regardless if they are magical or not. Her character in the second movie is not a plot hole, it’s an arc. An arc that reflects her character and desires, and eventually the arc will complete with her joining the right side.
I think that one of the reasons this film was hated a lot is because it is named the crimes of grindelwald but it focuses on leta's brother's mystery and ends in grindelwald's rally. basically the structure part of the film in the eyes of a lot of fans was made on how much of the movie is focused on grindelwald and not how it is actually meant to be looked at
On the issue of Jacob remembering everything did we all just forget the bakery scene at the end of the first movie.
One of the things i like about both the Fantastic Beasts movies is that a Hufflepuff is the hero of the story. The house that is disregarded by many.
Thank this guy bro he is always bringing out bangers.
Thank you! Finally!❤
i love this channel!!!
I can’t wait for the third Fantastic Beasts film
Me too
@@vikkran401 did Warner brothers personally wrong you? 😂 it doesn't need to be cancelled, just don't watch it! 🤣 no one is forcing you to see it
@@vikkran401 no one is forcing you to watch it .. and as for jonny depp I love him . But I don't blame Warner Bros ..they fired him when the accusations were fresh . By the time WB knew he was innocent they had already hired another actor .. the fact that your boycott it even tho it's not their fault shows how insecure you are.
@@vikkran401 as much as I agree with you . Even though the law is innocent untill proven guilty . But when it comes to conflicts between man and women , women always get the advantage . In such cases Men are guilty untill proven innocent , Which is wrong but that's the mindset of the people . An eg is if Woman hits a Man in a crowded place no one will say anything ,but if A man hits a women in the same crowded place he will get attacked by other people without knowing who's right or wrong. Thats the problem of our society ... Warner bros did the same thing .Whenever such thing happens the people always side with the women which is not fair . Thus Warner Bros had to fire Jonny . I love jonny with my heart and soul but I'm a bigger fan of the wizarding world so I can't boycott and besides Warner Bros apologized to him .. Anyways sorry for any confusion have a great day!
@@vikkran401 didn't Johnny quit? just because its not him doesn't mean the franchise needs to suffer, the best you can do is not watch it, hating on it makes you look like a douche
I am a simple man.
The only thing I really want is Legendary Duel Of 1945 between Johnny Depp and Jude Law.
Me too but I guess thats not going to happen
all because of amber
Amber: That's cute!
I do agree on the necklace time turner thing because I can remember hearing that mcgonnagal gave hermione the turner so that would make sense
Why would it have to be a big announcement that Dumbledore is gay? It was was taken to the forefront now because it became relevant to understand the dynamic between Grindelwald and Dumbledore. But during the Harry Potter series it didn’t serve any impact, that’s why it wasn’t made as a big announcement even though she did say dumbledore was gay back in 2011 in an interview.