Spanish CETME-Ls in Ukraine
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- In August 2023, during a parade in Kyiv, Ukrainian Border Guards were seen equipped with Spanish CETME-L rifles for the first, and so far only, time.
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"We approached the Spanish MoD for info" good luck triying to get any kind of info from them. They have the good tradition of being more opaque than the mafia.
I was amazed I got any reply at all.
@@TheArmourersBench i have written them a few times for info regarding the G36 trials or the decision process for the adoption of the 416 for the Spanish Marines and got no answer… XD
Stonewalling and obstruction is a Spanish specialty…
@@TheArmourersBench amazing would have been otherwise.
Why exaclty the MoD is going to give any info to any random guy?
I did my military service with that rifle. I was lucky enough to be assigned one that worked well. That's why when we went to the shooting range my rifle used to be used by several shooters whose rifles didn't work at all. When I returned to the barracks I had extra work cleaning my rifle. It was a delicate weapon that was not properly maintained. We grounded ourselves by sticking the butt into the ground to cushion the fall. That's terrible for any rifle that isn't an iron chub. Also the ammunition was bad. In fact, that ammunition did not pass NATO quality controls. When Spain purchased the G36, the manufacturer warned that it would not honor the warranty if inappropriate ammunition was used. Another problem was the magazines that, despite being compatible with the M16 magazines, were very delicate and caused problems. Finally, the recoil spring was weak and had to be helped to get the first bullet into the chamber. It is said that with good ammunition and good magazines the problems are greatly mitigated.
Thanks for the info and stories 👍 I only have experience (US) with parts kits builds or companies producing rifles using parts kits. Springs and magazines are definitely the major factors for reliability on those! The US produced stamped recievers if I remember correctly have a slightly larger ejection port to help with reliability and poorly matched locking sets, with much less flare for a shell deflector vs. the factory stampings... Also some have said the US stampings have a bit of difference in the magazine well to better use aluminum USGI magazines, but I'm not sure if the geometry was changed, or just a little more space left before being welded together? They are such a cool looking rifle and I regret not building one back when good parts kits and aftermarket springs/barrels/reciever flats were pretty easy to find and assemble for less than $800... Especially after playing with a nicely working home build with a steel picitanny rail welded on the top for easy optic mounting... I'm sure that upsets all the historic collectors, but it certainly transforms the rifle... Same with CETMEs/G3s in 7.62x51 and even FALs 👍
I hate that such a good looking rifle performs so poorly
Funny thing is some random American build a copy with nice materials and it performs better than the hk g33
@@patosasesinos6654 The design was nice, the problem was poor materials and poor QC. In the end it's corner cutting that fucked this rifle over.
@@andresmartinezramos7513 amigo soy español, eso lo sabemos todos jajajaj, defensa como siempre liando de las suyas con el dinero del contribuyente que encima que tienen poco gastan mal
@@patosasesinos6654 Nada como cagarla una vez ya sabemos la respuesta correcta. Especialidad nacional, vaya.
well my friend , looks not always meant good performance
border guards was the only military branch that sported all green AKs back during the soviet times. it was made for them specifically. green is the color of the military branch, they wear green berets as part of their uniform as well. their insignias, pins, medals heavily feature green colors. i wonder if CETMEs were chosen because they are naturally all green. call it an educated guess.
It was only one green AK per unit as a reward for the best man and first time it was presented by Mikhail Kalashnikov himself l. I believe had a metal stamping of his name or signature. The funny thing did the green furniture was not as durable as the later ones that are fully replaced in the Army service but enough was madeso yeah they just put them here and there. Sadly also the man who had received the rifle did not get take it home after retirement and stuck with each unit.
"I've put off making this video for quite a while[...]"
MSBS video: Yo are you for real?
It's interesting coincidence (or not) that this rifle has green furniture and ended up being issued to border guards since green is their signature color (as can be seen on their symbology and berets). There was also obscure soviet tradition where rare AKs with factory made green furniture were used in some ceremonies by border guards.
I'm actually very surprised of seeing our very own rifles over there. With proper maintenance they can be useful, but it's certainly a rear echelon weapon nowadays.
LCs and LVs would have been more fitting and way more reliable.
From what I understand, the Cetme Ls main problem is the springs. They didn't get a proper heat treatment and temper. When I got my 7.62 cetme, I retempered all the springs and remade a couple because they'd been cut a smidgen too short. After that she's a good shooter that I got a nice fat black bear last year with and finished filling my freezer.
30,000 CETME-L's were cut up and imported into the USA and were re-built by MarColMar with new barrels and receivers and only semi-auto. I bought one, but in 300 rounds it still has reliability issues. The ejection port is way too small and you have to yank back hard on the charging handle to eject a live round. I have feeding issues every other round. I think I'll try Lake City 62gr green tip next time. When it feeds a magazine properly, it is a JOY to shoot. It's so smooth and accurate. I would absolutely never bet my life on this, but it's a nice range toy.
I bought a few (3) PTR's over a short period. Two needed warranty work and were fixed for free. Since then all 3 are zero problem and completely reliable. They are heffers for sure, but they are MY heffers. If SHTF I'm grabbing the PTR-91. It will shoot ANY 7.62/308 ammo regardless of brand or quality. I have a safe full of AR's, but the PTR would be my first go to. The CETME-L is 5.56, since I'm not in active duty and needing to haul 90lbs of crap around for weeks on end, my choice is the harder hitting 7.62/308.
@@kirkwilson5905 Yep, I have the PTR-91 GI model without the stupid rail welded to the receiver. I’d pick it for SHTF over most, and it’s been super reliable. I can hit steel at 550yds with irons
CETME was a Spanish Gobvernment manufacturer. The original CETME in 7,62 mm was very successful. The problem with the L version was that the Army wanted to pay the same, or similar amount, for a new rifle, than for a rifle that had been in production since 1958. The new gun, just in production, was more expensive, due to economies of scale. This is what made CETME produce cheaper, and imperfect guns. The Guardia Civil (despite the name a para military gendarmerie) paid full price for their CETME L and had no quality problem. Finaly, the new rifle was considered a failure and CETME went out of business. Apparently, at one point the British SAS was interested in the CETME L. A very stupid way for Spain to destroy it's once famous weapons industry to favor a foreign design.
this is why I think private gun ownership is actually a really good thing from a national security point of view. if civilians and hobbyists buy firearms it will keep manufacturers open and operating during peacetime so if the military desperately needs to procure a larger volume of rifles the price can be kept lower and the company won't collapse in on itself if the government flakes on the purchase as the new rifles can be retooled to semi-auto only and sold in stores to recover cost.
in countries that aren't the US just keep a registry of rifles sold and obviously have background checks (Us already has background checks but technically a firearms registry would be illegal for the government to keep)
My Cetme 7.62 had problems. Very clean using hot ammo, it still had reliability issues. It only took the HK G3 mags with a serious amount of force. handguard was very flimsy.
@@PeaceQueefer as an ex infantry man myself, sounds like maybe your gun was old, and had gone tru many generations of soldiers. I've seen similar guns in my country. Could be caused by being worn out. Or it could be that it was made for old specs and new ammo and magazines are made to different ones.
@@dominuslogik484 You see the effects of killing civilian gun ownership in european countries' procurement of small arms and ammunitions for state security orgs. It becomes a disaster, quality and availability suffer massively. Germany and France had trouble with procuring infantry rifles in the recent years, here in Spain the police had to ration ammunition and cut training because the tender failed to produce suppliers :/ And they have to purchase pistols from foreign countries, when Spain used to have prolific manufacturers like Astra or Star.
Poor bastards. At least they were smart enough to issue them to BGs not on the comflict front.
I think I might actually prefer a first Gen L85 over a CETME-L. I would *definitely* prefer a later model L85 over even a "factory new" CETME-L.
I would prefer an AK74 or AKM rather than a CETMEL or first gen L85.
you both havent used those platforms and it shows. the cetme L is a lot more pleasant to use as long as you use usgi magazines and not the cetme ones. just keep it clean and lubed. its more reliable than any of the platforms you have mentioned
They that bad?
@@pannenkoekspek the original ones are so bad that the Spanish a few years later licensed the G36 from H&K and issued them to their whole military. We're talking about L85A1-tier of bad here. Ignore joemama.556 up there cause he has no idea what he's talking about. He's probably using the rebuilt parts kits that were sold in the US market and thinks that his opinion matters.
@@joemama.556 more reliable than the AKM or AK-74N.... I am doubting that hard as unless you are using an actual M4 or M16A4 you won't find much more reliable than those.
Aesthetic af
Absolute garbage performing however
@@jackhammertwo1 just curious did you get one of the Marcolmar guns or are you just repeating things you have seen online 😅
@@thefunksbeats i know this on the account that i know enough Spanish Leo and soldiers alike that they all agree on the same
@@jackhammertwo1.. that's neat I own the rifle and have put about 500 or so rounds through it 😅 ... Granted a semi auto model.
it's just funny to see all these "keyboard experts" who likey have little to no trigger time on the rifle repeating what they have read like it's gospel with no actual hands on experience.
@@thefunksbeats i just follow this stance: Always trust the word of people who have used It on the field instead of official reports.
Do these Cetme-L's accept the stanag magazines or the older variety Cetme magazines which are extremely similar?
A STANAG should fit but I not sure if they feed as well as the CETME mags. Need a Spanish soldier who has experience to confirm/deny that as there's not a lot written about these rifles.
They fit, but will not correctly feed the rifle. The CETME-L mags will work on ARs with a follower swap to a Magpul type to do last round bolt hold open (BHO). The CETME series of weapons require to run very well lubricated or wet. Many use gun grease to keep them running, but require cleaning and maintenance every 100 rounds or so especially in .308 configuration.
CETME uses FN mags, like fnc, f2000, factory box Scars and FAMAS G2, it's a bit different.@@TheArmourersBench
@@TheArmourersBenchThe last time I read wiki article about this gun it said that CETME indigenously produced mag are pretty bad and Spanish soldier like to nap foreign STANAG during joint exercise because they are more reliable. Not sure if it true though
@@theodorsebastian4272 that is 100% true, thats exactly what my dad did and never ever had a problem sinfe he was able to acquire usgi mags
This is a fantastic channel
Thanks for watching!!
The last time i was this early, I'aan ibn Khalaami had the secrets of Kraut Space Magic revealed to him by the spirit of Georg Luger in the H&K Grey Room
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Epic or I guess the kids say Based.
Great job, good vid
Spain announced that they are going to put their M-60 MBT up for sale. Other NATO countries are likely going to buy them for Ukraine.
I'm thinking a Lancer mag would work in the CETME. Ive heard alot of the issues with the CETME are actually with the issue mag. I've heard that Spanish troops prefered STANAG mags when they could get them. I can't confirm any of this however and the Lancer mag working best is an educated quess.
I had a Marcolmar Cetme L the only magazines that would work are stanag. The Spanish magazines are made from stamped steel with tiny weak springs, and wafer thin followers that lack anti-tilt capability.
@@Veritas419 Did you ever try a Lancer mag? Also, I wonder if the issue mags would work better with a new spring and magpul follower?
@@mateoocampo3165 lancer and magpuls dont fit in the original magwell but marcolmar made an updated receiver which has a wider magwell to acomodate magpuls
Quite the opposite in fact, the CETME-L was built to take its own magazine. Unfortunately they look and feel very similar to a STANAG mag, but the feed angle is different. Using STANAG magazines of any type causes them to jam uncontrollably.
Malcolmar redesigned the stampuings to fix this issue on their own in-house gun.
Since 2/24/22 seen M14, Fal and the Spanish in Ukraine. Hard to beat M-80 Ball
But they were only given 1 mag for each rifle. So none are probably in use by now.
@@donwyoming1936 picking up extra FAL magazines is pretty cheap as they are still in production and cost like 30-60$. I have seen the FAL in use more by foreign fighters in ukraine however as it seems regular UAF troops use the AK variants probably due to simplified training.
it also makes sense if you have a bunch of veterans volunteering to fight ,that may have used the FAL in their time serving their home nations, you would provide them with rifles that they are familiar with.
also yeah 100% M80 ball still slaps pretty hard and only the best available body armors are actually rated to stop it reliably with most russian body armor issued only rated to stop 5.56/5.54 and the 7.62x39 cartridges.
😂😂😂
@@donwyoming1936They should sell the FALs and M14s back to the American private market.
Love how this rifle looks
Czech company Zeleny sport bought them from Spain in large quantities and are now offering them. There is chance that they sold some of them to Ukraine.
I always loved how this rifle looked. I have gotten some time behind a few of these and they worked great, BUT those were US imported ones, so most likely rebuilt from kits. So whatever manufacturing issue that plagued the ones in the field might not had been there anymore.
I've been recently wondering if the styer aug will make an appearance in the war.
Only a handful of civilian ones so far!
It's sad that the CETME-L kinda sucks, but at least in rear-line service it can actually serve a practical purpose.
Rear-line troops gotta have a gun just in case, but they don't need one that can tough it out through mud and cold and thousands of rounds with limited cleaning.
And while nobody _wants_ to be issued a gun that's notorious for "reliability problems", we have to remember that there's a big difference between "less reliable than desired for a modern military rifle" and "actually likely to fail".
Another comment asking for a video on the sig 516
i see them pop up a lot
As cool as they look, and they do look great, the CETME-L brings questionable reliability and is yet another set of nonstandard logistics to account for, but its undoubtedly adequate enough for rear area troops or guards on the Belorussian border, which is unlikely to see more Russian aligned forces roll across it at this point, at least without ample warning, who aren't likely to fire their weapons at opposition more serious than a small teams of spies or saboteurs.
at the very least it can take surplus US government issue steel mags and uses 5.56 so its not too hard to keep fed with ammo but you are pretty screwed for replacing broken components.
@@dominuslogik484does not feed reliably from STANAG mags that the US uses. Same ammo yes. Not magazines tho
Be great to see an update on the 30,000 Canadian rifles sent to Ukraine. They were announced a long time ago, so they should be in use now.
What rifles werE sent?
@@misha791Colt Canada made AR platforms.
@@baneofbanes thanks
Biggest waste of money Ive ever purchased. Getting the weapon to shoot all the rounds in the magazine is an uphill battle.
You should be using the original CETME steel magazine and compare the original 5.56 CETME cartridges spects to comercial .223 or M193 and adapt them to the original formula. Also check how good the reasemble of your parts kits is, because with many guns if done improperly many problems will arise. Maybe then you will get it to work reliable.
Mine runs 😅
yes, all this "support of ukraine" is just a huge waste of money
You are unlucky
@@andrewmarcus7698 🤣
Any chance we'll see an FN FNC video?
The CETME-C is a mans rifle. seriously it's a beast!
Neat rifle
It's impossible to comprehend how CETME manages to screw up such very good designs with such incredibly bad manufacturing!
Spain
Spanish labor unions, most likely.
Mix of that and cheaping out on materials to appear competent on the face of the rest of the EU tossed with mil-spec
@@TheSrSundayyeah blame the manual labourers it’s surely not anyone in design or procuring of materials to build them
Easy; CETME was an State owned company and the Spanish MoD (always wanting to reduce to always ultra small defence budget) considered that it was possible to cut corners during production. The pre serial gave excellent results (like the CETME AMELI MG) but productions ones sucked. Also many of the problems came because single use magazines were used several times and failures to feed were common. So there you have it; a Socialist Goverment who wanted to save money screwing up.
Basically, a FANCY Localized HK33 clone.
Definitely a cut corners version of it 😅
@@thefunksbeats
Well it’s a Spanish gun………………….
@@jbk19xx57 hey don't be hating on my Spanish Astras 😅 that's a quality gun right there!
It's kinda fitting given the original G3 was a fancy clone of the original CETME .308 rifle.
These are an interesting rifle to show up in this conflict. It’s probably just as well they haven’t shown up on the front lines.
When vid about MSBS Grot?
Still in the works!
@@TheArmourersBench
Ok, so i will w8 😎👍
One guy told that firing those things were like a hammer hiting your shoulder. 😐😖
Imagine Peace Negotiations!
Should we have had peace negotiations with the Nazis as well?
The Spanish cousin of the german HK-33
Cetme l: Cada Esquina Tiene Mierda Escondida.
They give away their trash poor dudes 🤦🏾♂️
Now that’s a rifle I was not expecting to see in Ukraine.
I wonder will you do a video on how the Ukraineans made a rpg7 launcher platform were they put multiple rpgs on a launcher platform, with some having mortor shells on top.
they be call of duty ops
"Cuando le das merluza a un pobre es que uno de los dos está malo."
When you feed a poor man with hake means that one or another is in bad shape.
what about portuguese g3´s?
No sign of them, have been trying to find a trace of them and nothing so far.
@@TheArmourersBench oh ok, they probably put them in storage for last resort, they are kind of heavy equipment. Anyway thanks for the reply.
@PsychoMan that's my guess too. If I spit them there will be a video haha. Thanks for watching.
my husband brought one of these from Classic firearms a few years ago i noticed a lot of Spanish rifles inspired German rifles
A lot of ex nazi german engineers went to Spain following ww2
@@oso1165 but wasn’t the cetme modelo C built before the HK91 (my husband loves PTR-91 and he served in South African National defense force and he has weird hybrid FAL buttstock furniture).
After WWII a group of former Mauser engineers who'd been working on the Stg 45, a prototype roller delayed blowback rifle intended to succeed the MP/Stg44, were "reassigned" to work on small arms development for the victorious allies. This group was subsequently poached by Spain to form CETME and, after West Germany was allowed to rearm, some of them returned home to found H&K, evolving the CETME rifle into the G3 and its descendants.
@@StacheMan26 one rifle i like is the 5.56 C93 (hk93 copy) and my husband gave me one of them
the HK91 is too heavy for me. Thank you for history lesson i always wondered about it
Si lo dices por el G3 más bien es al contrario. el G3 es copia del CETME C. ¿Hay que recordar que las primera tandas del M16 dieron un rendimiento en Vietnam? básicamente se encasquillaban con un poco de suciedad y la bocacha apagallamas se enganchaba en la vegetación.
This company might still be around under a new name General Dynamics Spain. What they can do is start reproduction what's the rifle this time using higher quality parts and chambering for Ukrainian and Soviet ammo 7.62x39 5.45x39 if they can manage to put in an integral suppressor on to the design then 9x39mm. However the problem for that ammo is that it's only made by the Russians and belarusians. Which means the ukrainians might have to ask something like the Americans British Germans and the Spaniards to make that type of ammo for them. Really excellent video overall
Question?
Is it true that the Spanish company, was started from German engineers?
IIRC it was a group of former Mauser engineers, namely Vorgrimler, who worked with the Spanish and then later returned to West Germany in the 1950s.
Si
@@TheArmourersBench This is correct.
Vorgrimler and other former Mauser engineers were originally contracted by France to develop a battle rifle using the roller delay system adapted from the MG42 and experimental 8mm Kurz carbines to follow the Sturmgewehr. The French got weird about it and the Spanish decided that if France didn't want it, they'd have it. This eventually became the CETME-C, which the team (eventually reformed into what we now know as H&K) later refined a tiny bit more into the G3/HK91.
CETME = Centro de Estudios Technicos de Materiales Especiales. It's less of a company and more of, like, a government lab that once employed the pre-H&K team.
at this point i think they would be better off with the captured iranian equipment
While the "L" was not without manufacturing problems the bare bones of the design are sound and I would place money on Ukrainian armourers replacing the recoil springs and certain pins and getting them running.
Between 1k and 2k units.
The state of my contry's armed forces is miserable.
1:01 this scope is xxx shit. I really hate it. don't know if it was just personal or a common issue. I hope they used it only for parades and training purposes.
What a shame for a rifle, I was barely able to use it in the instruction and occasionally for occasional shooting, but the rifles in the instruction were horrible, they had malfunction problems, changing the magazine was somewhat tedious.
If you shot a lot it was impossible to handle the rifle without gloves while the G36E got hot but it was reasonable, a horror rifle. However, the father of this rifle, The CETME C (7.62 NATO) always heard good things about him. Sorry for my English
Are any HK G3s or G3-based rifles showing up in Ukraine yet? I find it odd that M14 showed up before G3. HK G3s should be the more common rifle in a European battlefield.
So, allegedly Portugal sent some in 2022 - never seen them in the field. Then there was a false alarm when some Ukrainian marksmen were seen with G3 DMRs during training in the Baltics but as yet I've not seen any evidence of them turning up in Ukraine - I have a video/article on that at armourersbench.com.
Those poor bastards. I have personal experience handling some of those storage rifles and condition and functionality were all over the place. That's on top of a generally poor design both in terms of ergonomics and mechanical design. Their receiver is a pretty fragile shell, they're annoying to take apart especially when they've been exposed to field conditions, and very, very hard to clear a serious jam or god forbid a broken case. These are just the highlights. But they do look cool.
Read it as GETME-L in Ukraine lol
I always loved the looks of the CETME-L, but I know those rifles are garbage. Like the british L-85/SA-80, a good looking piece of garbage. A M1 Garand or a SVT-40 from WWII has more combat value than a CETME-L or a L-85.
Brought out of storage for 1 parade. Sounds about right. 🤠
They sent those garbage rods to Ukraine, that’s BS.
One side sent Mosins and air rifles, the other side Maxims and Cetme L's, lol
@@georgewhitworth9742Nothing wrong with Maxim guns.
"Quality Control issues and quirks in the design" What quirks and what QC issues and are they repairable by armourers, for example by better finishing, to improve reliability?
P.S. With so many countries' Militaries giving away free guns; If I declare war on Russia will they send a few my way ?
Magazine well angle, receiver stamping. QC issues with tolerances.
I don't know if this is the specific issue they were having, but these issues were very common in America.
The original specification for the CETME-L called for a unique magazine not compatible with NATO STANAG specs. The feed angle was different and the magazine lips were shaped and angled slightly differently. But the magazine was identical in cross section at the top and had a cutout for the magazine catch in the same spot that the STANAG pattern magazine had, so it is possible to insert an M16 magazine into the gun and have it lock into place positively, well enough that one would think the gun was designed for it.
With original CETME-L magazines, the gun is considered generally mostly reliable.
But batches imported to the US were often derided as offensively unreliable due to not being able to successfully chamber more than a small handful of rounds from a 30 round AR mag.
I would guess the Ukrainian army is probably having this particular problem right now.
As far as quirks in the design, the CETME and CETME-L as well as all roller-delayed guns in the family, including the HK91, are noted for having an unusually long and heavy pull to the charging handle. This means unless you have long gorilla arms and massive biceps, you may have trouble charging the bolt on the gun.
They require VERY little maintenance, and there are documented cases where African villages using CETME or HK91 rifles often simply drop them and bury them in the silt in the bottom of rivers intentionally to hide them from juntas, whereafter they simply dig them back up, rinse them off, and they run perfectly. HOWEVER, the rollers need periodic oiling, and the fluted chamber needs to be scrubbed with a specialized stiff-bristled chamber brush periodically to remove carbon fouling from the flutes, otherwise it will not eject or extract correctly and you'll get jams and double feeds. They are very durable, reliable, accurate, and relatively low maintenance with the exception of those two maintenance items.
Another unusual issue is that wear seems to work in reverse for a roller delayed gun. The majority of wear occurs in the first few hundred rounds, where pieces will stretch and settle into interface with eachother, causing alignment and tolerance changes that need to be addressed by an armorer. THis generally takes the form of bolt gap (roller guns do not have headspace, but bolt gap is a similar measurement that can be adjusted using slightly bigger or smaller rollers), otherwise the gun can malfunction. Once the initial break in is completed, the gun may "settle" over the next thousand rounds or so. Then it might need to be adjusted slightly again for optimal timing.
After that, it's generally fine for the following ten to fifteen thousand rounds without issue. This is part of why so many new PTRs seem to be trash but old used ones seem to work fine.
Another quirk of the system is that the gun has a buffer installed at the front of the stock as a safety mechanism to prevent damage or injury in case of a hot round or a spring or roller malfunction. This is because stamped receivers have some durability problems that must be addressed by clever engineering rather than materials selection. Unfortunately armorers not familiar with the system will intentionally use this buffer as it would be used in other guns, and will time the gun so the bolt hits it every single shot. This causes the rollers to bulge out the sides of the receiver at the back of the stroke and is regarded as a bad thing.
The spring should be heavy enough to slow the bolt to a gradual halt somewhere between the back edge of the magazine and the buffer.
If set up the normal and intuitive way, the gun has harsh recoil and accelerated wear. This can also cause a worn-out gun in need of spring replacement to appear to be in working order, until the extreme extraction pressure causes cases to eject erratically, tear case heads off, or to shear on the ejector lever and become lodged partially inside the gun between the bolt and the receiver.
If set up the correct way, the gun is unremarkable and predictable.
I love them, they are extremely cool and fun to shoot, but there are many perfectly good reasons that nobody in the world uses them anymore if another option is available.
I hope this answers your question!
The CETME-L has terrible ergonomics.
(whatever they can get) IN UKRAINE!
🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 SLAVA UKRAÏNI 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
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Soon will be in a museum in Moscow.
Should build Ukraine AR-18 rifles
They already built their own AKs and AR 15 pattern rifles.
😂😂😂
Is it just me or this gun looks like a toy made out of tin ?
It’s stamped sheet metal so that’s probably why.
Ukranian army became random loadout in Arma 3's virtual arsenal.
... Ever looked at EVERY RESISTANCE force out there? The Soviet Partisans of WW2 made use of a lot of different guns that are not compatible with each other parts or ammo-wise...
Cool looking but bad gun.
A roller delayed "gas" blowback operation? Do you have any idea of what you are talking about? Roller delayed actions do not have any type of gas system. It's in the name of the mechanism. This is true of the CETME-L and all CETME rifles, as well as the H&K G3.
despite having no gas block or gas port gas is always involved, its what provides recoil impulse and makes the action cycle
@@joemama.556 That is the silliest thing I have ever read. Go back and take a physics course.
@@louisgiokas2206 does it or does it not need gas expansion to cycle the action?
@@joemama.556 The gas expansion propels the bullet. That is the reason for it. The critical parameter is how fast the bullet leaves the barrel so that the gas vents out that way and back at the shooter.
You forget about bolt action and single shot firearms. Gas expansion there, but nothing to do with operation of the action.
In a self-loading rifle or pistol the thing that is needed is to delay the opening of the action until the gas pressure in the barrel is low enough to ensure safe operation. This can be done many ways. Many early pistols used direct blowback where a stiff spring (determined by the caliber) delayed the opening of the action. In submachineguns, even semi-automatic ones, a spring, plus a heavy bolt, provides the same function.
Systems that are classified as gas operated bleed gas from the barrel to operate the action. Generally, there is some mechanism in the bolt to delay opening.
@@louisgiokas2206 exactly, just because it doesnt bleed from the barrel it doesnt mean gas isnt involved, you just proved me right
Absolutely junk rifle.
Fitting, a failed weapon for a failed regime.
You got Ukraine mixed up with Russia, try again. 😂
Ah yes tell me more about these Jewish Nazis.
@@DocMitchell69 Hey Doc, how is mossad paying these days?
So, Spain is a failed regime?
@@DocMitchell69 You mean the country formerly known as The Ukraine right?
They seem perfect as parade rifles.
CETME-L is better than no rifle at all, I guess... at least on paper.
CETME. MUY ESACTO Y. POTENTE
El cetme es una mierda, nose porque tienen tanto interes en nuevas armas cuando el ak es perfecta