Swedish K m/45As in Ukraine - Update!
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- čas přidán 9. 03. 2024
- A few of weeks ago I published an article/video detailing the appearance of Swedish Carl Gustaf m/45 submachine guns in Ukraine. One notable feature of the guns was that their configuration appeared to sit somewhere between the m/45A and the m/45B. In this video we examine why!
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older guns with modern equipment kinda go hard
I know right, same with the Tokarevs in Ukraine atm
I still remember the stg 44 that was used by some Ukrainian soldier and an mp40 being used by a russian soldier along with alot of general ww2 firearms
To be fair Eastern front especially in areas of Ukraine and Russia was a massive clusterfuck so there is bound to have been weapons being captured left and right
Ain't stupid if it works! 😁👍
@@fishyfish6050 the soviet union had a habit of packing up all military hardware into crates with cosmoline and storing them in cool dry places (such as salt mines in Ukraine). apparently they had somewhere around 10,000 maxim guns stashed away. and a pretty large quantity of Thompsons.
@@dominuslogik484 yeah we have seen footage of the Thompson crates being found. As for Stg44's locks of those came from Syria as they were mass produced for a time there.
This just painfully reminds me of the countless thousands of absolutely mint Thompson SMGs and other iconic guns captured or rotting in storage.
In Soledar...
Yeah but unlike the Thompson the K-Pist doesn't absolutely suck. The Tombak plated ammo will penetrate 5 mil personal armour and you won't have to disassemble it every 30 shots to get it working again. The Thompson was truly an absolute POS weapon that no one wanted and almost no one used if there was any other option.
@@michaelmay5453 where did you get that Idea from? the Thompson was very reliable and a good quality gun for ww2. the issue was that it was extremely expensive and the ergonomics sucked because it was long and heavy which are both not things you wanted in an SMG.
@@dominuslogik484 I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not because the ONE thing the Thompson was infamous for was its unreliability. Granted that had more to do with build quality and magazines but it still holds true.
@@michaelmay5453 everywhere I look states the weapon was very reliable so I'm wondering where you are getting your information on it not being good
it's a museum piece, but if you had to carry a museum piece it's a pretty good choice
A lot of weapons and vehicles in this war seem to be museum pieces.
@krunchie101 a strange mix of ww1 weapons and trench-warfare and never before seen weapons and tactics, like drones and ew.
@@tjofrasseI would day that is a result of both sides having better anti air capacity than airforce. Hence the only air units that slip throw the cracks are really light unit...
Making it sort of a ww1 type situation where only very light aircrafts exist.
Indiana Jones: “it belongs in a museum!”
Museum my foot! 😂
We have a few of them in my battalion. They are used mainly just for rear troops doing guard duties.
Swedish K may be old but the ammo is new and as a CLOSECOMBAT/ guard weapon its robust and virtually indestructible and reliable and easy to maintain and deadly
Exactly.
US Special Forces used it in Vietnam and they like it.
@@RadioactiveSaddamthe swedish design was quickly dropped by SF in Vietnam for an American made copy produced by Smith and Wesson, to keep the swedish guns from being found by the enemy and possibly starting am international incident that would make Sweden look like it was operating in the country.
@@wolfganglockard More like the other way around. Sweden stopped exporting them because we didn’t export weapons to nations actively engaged in war. The social democrats weren’t too happy about “the imperialist aggression that was the US involvement in Vietnam” either.
So the seals did order S&W to build the 76, but by the time it was finished the had already switched to 5,56 carbines anyway, so the 76 didn’t see much service.
@@wolfganglockardIf it weren't for these guns we would all be speaking Vietnamese by now
They have some shortcomings, but there are ways around those. For instance, those who complain about accuracy haven't been taught how to assemble it properly.
But most of all, it's dead nuts reliable. I was stationed with a unit that had them, and i've never seen a single jam or failure. We were told with no hesitation that a failure in that platform is only achievable if it breaks, or if you are the worst at maintenance. Not Just bad... the absolute worst.
This, along with the relatively low cyclic rate (compared to MP5 for instance) makes it a better gun for the average soldier. wastes less ammo, very controllable, and again, doesn't fail.
Accurate assessment, sir
And the cyclic rate can be increased using a D-cell battery or similiar sized cylindrical object against the rear end cap to pre-tension the main spring...
This redneck mod can, however, cause feeding and cycling malfunctions due to incomplete extractions/ejections if weaker ammo than the hot loaded hard jacket Swedish skjptr m39B is used.
I loved mine. But we were told to keep good care of the magazines, since they could misfeed if the magazine lips were bent.
I only used it very briefly, I had the AK5 and pistol 8(iirk?). As you say, you won't have reliability issues with this gun. It may be old but as a rear guard or supplies weapon I can think of many worse options.
Having carried the POS during my first two months of military service and having been scolded on platoon level for how bad we were at hitting targets I would just like to add a "Nope" to your statement. Removing and reattaching the barrel takes away any resemblance of accuracy. No matter how you go about it, you're doomed to carry a mp that sprays.
I knew a former Force Recon Marine who carried one in Vietnam. His favorite weapon.
He was one scary dude.
They ALWAYS work! Had one in the 1980's being a dog handler. The other guys had AK 4's.
Same here, at a radio platoon. Never saw a model A, they must have been in storage by then.
Very compact when folded. Makes it easy to carry with you.
Inte Ak4 🙄 G3
Ak4 heter den bara i Sverige
@@carlbrink3964 Japp. Hundförare på Närskydd.
@@carlbrink3964 g3 är tilverkad av H&K medans AK-4 är lincenctilverkad av husqvarna och Carl Gustafs stads gevärsfaktori, finns även små skillnader mellan dem olika varianter
I mean, yes its a museum piece, but it will do the job a trench sweeper, and is has like one moving part so maintanence is super easy!
@DOOMAOyeah, for a vehicle crew its probably pretty decent given its size.
Calls the M45 a museum piece. Meanwhile, the M2 Browning has been everywhere, every continent, every altitude, every country for over a hundred years.
Yep, or the Colt 1911 or the Maxim MG that has also been spotted in Ukrainian use.
But the M2 still shoots further and harder than any standard infantry rifle of any army. Flack jackets would stop M45 rounds.
@@Sun-Tzu-Standard M/45B ammunition m/39B is specifically made to penetrate body armor up to class IIIA.
@@Sun-Tzu- Maybe, but I think I have read somewhere that Russian troops are not really that well equipped with modern armor protection and as @svensvensson2724 mentioned, the designated ammo for the M45 is designed to have better armor penetration. Its quite a lot more powerful than normal 9mm.
I know that when they where looking for a new side arm, they wanted one than could use the same ammo as the M45 since there was so much still in storage, and most modern 9mm handguns just could not handle the rounds, they cracked after a flew hundred rounds due to the much higher power.
But even if you would use standard 9mm, on an unarmored target its still going to hurt a lot.
@@davidmartensson273 Pure copper or steel bullets in 9mm naturally penetrate up to III/IIIA armor. Indeed, Herr Luger design was ahead of its time. Also it's an intelligent thing to find old service weapons a new place when logistics and money are low. I mean, they can't arm everyone with modern submachine guns with gadgets so they resource to old guns that perfectly work and do their job
Swedish m39/b 9 mm amunition was intorduced in 1955 and had a steel jacket for armor penetration. This made the bullet harder to push through the barell leading to higher preassure. Using standard 9mm ammo, the reinforced en cap porbably isn't nececary.
The secret was tombac-plated steel jacket 😉
@@DEATH-THE-GOAT You mean like the one that was on the round before 1955 as well? The difference between the two kinds of ammo is the thickness of the jacket and the pointiness of the round. Nothing else.
The end cap was introduced due to training ammo "kammarammunition" uses with the blank fire barell. Smaller diameter barell.
Yeah, it's a museum piece, but it still slings heaps of heavy lead pellets roughly in the right direction, and people in that dirction tend to keep their heads down as long as it's pointed at them,
The short foldable stock is also a bonus in trenches and when riding in regular cars.
The trick is to shoot it until really hot, then tighten the barrel a notch or 2 more, and then shoot in the sights.
I never removed the barrel on mind to clean it so it stayed as precise as it gets as long as I had it.
my husband said he saw this SMG all over South and Central Africa.
he brought a parts kit and it’s at the gunsmith’s right now
If so that was probably Egyptian made "Port Said" licensed copies of the M45.
that was my gun when i did military service 40+ years ago. drove wheel loaders, excavators etc. didn't get stuck in the door as easily when getting in and out of the cab.
I was trained on them in Denmark in the 90’ies. They were designated MP49.
That was almost certainly not the Swedish M45, but a very similar looking Danish design SMG.
As far as 'museum pieces' go, you couldn't get better guns. They're simple, durable, and reliable. Beautiful in their utility.
I did my military service with this gun 1993 in the Swedish military. So it was used in Sweden to the late 1990th.
I did too and the same year. :)
But as far as I know it was only issued as a personal defense weapon by then in special cases. I was stationed as ship crew and was issued one because the AK5B was too big to be practical while on board. It was replaced whith the AK5D in the 2000s
I was always under the impression that the m/45B upgrade came about after lessons in Congo nessecitated a more powerful 9mm round which became the m/39B
Yes, not some kind of training round but the full power duty round. One of the best 9mm rounds for defeating armour.
That's 100% incorrect. Swedish training ammunition was a sub calibre short range trainer that fired a ball bearing and never a service cartridge. The Swedes originally chambered the 45 for a proprietary hotted up 9mm-Luger/Largo alike but then they fell in line with NATO and everyone else and adopted NATO spec 9mm Parabellum. Which is still very hot by the way.
@@zoiders do you really think it would be necessary to strengthen the gun to shoot some lightly loaded training ammunition? No, like AdurianJ said it was strengthened to reduce the risk of injuries when shooting the m/39B ammunition, which has a thick steel jacket (unlike the thinner steel jacket on the original m/39 ammunition).
Note the dates btw, when the m/45 was introduced we (Sweden) was already using 9x19.
I never used the m/45B during my military service, but I have fired plenty of m/39B rounds.
@@zoiders I don't know your sources to that claim... The m/39 (adopted 1939) ammunition (for wich the m/45 is chambered) is the standard parabellum cartridge (as used by many countries). The m/39B is the hotter cartridge adopted at the 60's and still is our standard ammo in 9 mm. The m/39B is pretty special for Sweden. This has nothing to do with NATO.
@@satanihelvetet I thought the military stopped using t he m39B in the early 2000s? At least they donated 6 million rounds to national shooting clubs, supposedly in conjunction with retiring the round.
Great video! Its correct that the old m/45(A), had their magwell riveted before being stored.
The holes in the barrel shroud on m/45 was scaled down during production of the gun so m/45 exist with both larger and smaller holes.
All m/45B has the same small holes.
Note, that the m/45B are made by entire different tools than the m/45. So no one of the m/45B has ever been any m/45 (A).
One good thing with the m45/B is that it is very robust when wet, muddy etc, and jams are super easy to clear. An old school robust museum piece with amazing durability. Had one of these way back when I was in the military 1980-1981
Used this in my service in the Swedish navy 2001. I was 1 of 4 out of a total of 500 that "shot gold" with this. 100m standing, kneeling and prone I had +-5 cm spread right in the forehead of the silouhette. Correctly assembled it´s accurate enough for the intended purpous.
At least the 9mm round won’t add much to the logistics problem. I’ve always thought that subgun was cool but it wouldn’t be my first choice to carry in Ukraine.
Its used by rearguard troops and tank crewmen from what i have heard
Be a good choice for rear echelon troops, tankers, pilots, logistics etc. free up AK-74’s for Front line use and the 9mm is easy to source and cheap to obtain.
Be a great rear echelon firearm.
@@sesameseedbar8853 Plus the last thing you want as i Rear echelon troops carrying a pistol because hauling around a AK is impractical.
the US had masive problem in I belive Vietnamn where crew member was not using there rifles because they found them to unwieldy for there work.
Like logistic worker was issued a M16 (vietnamn edition) and just left them somewhere because it hindered them from carrying the cargo around this be bad when they got attacked and had nothing to defend themself whit, minus the few crew members that had there own pistols.
@@Zack_Westermakes me wonder why the Grease Gun or Mac 10 weren't widely issued to rear guards. You free up surplus cumbersome M16 for frontline troops while leave troops in cramped space with compact SMG
@@quakethedoombringer the Grease Gun was a cheap WW2 stopgap gun that was not the best to use. and would be terrible for rearguards.
Like to reload it you have to show you thumb/finger into the breach and fiddle whit the bolt action because there is no charging handle on it.
safely is a mess.
the MAC 10 might work but There I think its a case of you want a gun that have some level of accuracy
MAC 10 for tankers are to force the enemy to dodge/abort there attack as you then leg it away.
During the Vietnam War, the M45 was used by Navy SEALs. why ❓ because M16 sucks. And they wanted a weapon that always worked. During my military service, I never had a fire break. In addition, it was designed according to KISS standard Keep It Simple Stupid. Calling it a museum piece shows ignorance. This weapon is for close combat. But works at longer distances if you can handle the weapon.🇸🇪
as for longer range precision. Field strip the weapon. look at the barrel. the number from 1 to 8 shows you where it pulls to when fired, the numbers 2 and 6 being the easyest to deal with, either too high or too low - but in the middle. shot marksman with mine. Danish army signal corps NCO school in 1962.
I did my service in the Swedish Marines and was issued a M/45b as my personal defense weapon because I was stationed as crew on a ship. This was because the AK5C was too big for moving around on ship.
Mine was fine and accurate until one day with particularly heavy seas it got loose in the onboard weapons locker. It turned a bit oval and would only fire single shots after that
Those are m/45A. The receiver cap hook of the m/45B was fitted because if you hadn't assembled the SMG properly, there was a risk that the cap could loosen, resulting in the bolt striking your face. I used an m/45A during my 10 months long service, and never had a problem with it. It saved you a second or two when stripping/assembling the gun. We were supposed to manage that in 15 and 20 seconds, respectively (IIRC; 10 seconds added if doing it blindfolded). As far as I know, all m/45Bs were scrapped about 20 years ago.
Taken out of service 17 years ago, and not all were scrapped. No reason to.
That one is great, you can "hack" it, by placing a D-cell battery behind the spring.
My father used these during his training in the Swedish army.
Many years ago I was told that the end cap was reinforced to handle upgraded ammunition. Might be true.
It's very easy to learn to use, carry and clean. It can withstand a lot of abuse. Not precise and short effective range. Had one as a dispatch rider.
This is the case.
The Congo crisis showed that the Swedish ww2 era 9×19mm m39 ammo was inconsistent and unreliable at penetrating the improvised body armor of Katangan militia and mercenaries.
Because of that, the Swedish materiel administration had the ammo maker develop the 9×19mm m39B round.
The slightly lighter bullets of the m39B was cast into a much harder and thicker full metal jacket than the older ammo, and the powder was switched to a faster burning compound, achiving much higher preassure behind a bullet that was gripping the rifling a lot tighter and thus generating a tighter seal, higher bullet velocity, flatter trajectory and didn't shatter or flatten on impact with mild steel as the old bullets did.
The tradeoff was significantly more barrel wear, structural stress on the chamber, the main spring and the end cap, as well as the necessity to issue separate service pistol and SMG ammo as the new ammo ruptured and cracked the chamber and locking shoulders of the old Husqvarna Luger clone service pistols.
Not true at all. Has nothing to do with the ammo. The end cap had a hook added to it on the 45B model since the end cap supposedly had come loose on rare occasions with the regular 45 (very close to the sten gun) design. The hook was added as an extra and basically unnecessary safety feature to prevent the bolt and spring flying back into the eye of the firer.
I was around towards the very end of Swedish military use of the M45 and the B was the only thing used for many decades, until the very last years (around 20 years ago) when they suddenly issued unused and black old M45's out of some storage, for whatever reason.
@@SonsOfLorgar incorrect. M39/b came before Congo, and was supposedly developed after reported experiences of failure to penetrate against soldiers with heavy winter clothing and gear in the Korean war. The M1 Carbine, while being abother weapon and caliber entirely, supposedly had this problem on numerous occasions.
@@christianhermansson8566 When I got my m/45B in 1980 they also told us that some of the end caps had fallen off from guns with the original design. Hence the additional hook.
@@apersson850 exactly. The addition of the hook was not due to the M39/b ammunition though. This ammo is not all that hot actually. The bullet is light for calibre and thus has high velocity, and it has a thick steel jacket. M39/b is not hotter than +P 9x19 or some SMG specific 9x19 from other countries, like the British ammo for the Sterling SMG.
The 'Karl Gustav' was a beloved smg with the Irish Defence Forces and subsequently their Reserve Forces until the mid-1990s. If properly maintained and handled remains a very practical short- barrelled weapon for second line forces. I recall a Coy. SGT. famously mastered one-handed single shot firing and had to be barred from inter-unit shootimg competition s. Better a 1000 Swedish K's than 200 MP5s. Thanks for the update👍
Super Video !
Had one as my personal weapon years ago when I was a platoon leader. It is very sturdy and almost never had functional errors, but later, I got the MP5, and that was a considerable upgrade.
The soldier holding a Swedish K (kpist m/45A) at 1:19 also has the standard Swedish armed forces water bottle carried on the m/2000 load bearing vest.
I have the A model, w/detachable mag well. Very reliable, only malfunctions I ever had was with the Suomi coffin mags. Dont underestimate the effective range. 100 meters is no issue shooting single shots with the superb trigger. Old but effective. If I were going to the jungles, would take the K over a MP 5
Old, but an excellent close combat weapon! Easy to handle and easy to clean. 👍🏻
Did you notice Marvin (John Malkovich) had one in one of his weapon depots in the movie "Red" (1 or 2)? (First time I heard it called a "K")
Nice! Constructed in 1945! When it works it works, extremely simple with just a few moving parts. You increase the rate of fire a fair bit by compressing the spring with a D-battery... ;) Had the AK4 in the first half of my military service and the M45B in the latter half and the only advantage is that you dont get stuck in camo-nets...
It is reliable and handy. With the shoulder support folded in, it can be carried with the strap over the shoulder and the weapon under the arm. Parabellum ammunition is plentiful. There are some pictures of the weapon where we see a device attached with a hose clamp. It's something that was fitted to attach a case catcher. It is an adaptation for exercises in peace.
That is great Gun for close range. Easy to maintain. Good for crew in Tanks and so it is great
It's extremely durable and so easy to maintain. So few parts that you can disassemble and put together in total darkness. But it's a close combat weapon.
Good gun. Accurate and reliable.
If I remember right, was it orginaly developed during wwII and came into service in Denmark as the M49. Yes a museum pice, but it works. If you are used to it can you easily shoot single shots. Super easy to clean and fix :) ..... and with three full magasines and a pair of fast boots will it take you out of most troubbels :)
The Hovea M49 is actually a different weapon though they look very similar and share features!
@@TheArmourersBench Which would make sense, since the Hovea M49 is actually the fm/44HVA, the other offering for a new SMG. The gun that would become the m/45, originally the fm/44CG, won the trials, and the creators of the HVA offered it around to other nations. Denmark accepted it. Hovea is, in fact, the sound of the fm/44HVA's creators company name. Husqvarna Vapenfabriks Aktiebolag, HVA, "Ho-Ve-A".
I had a M45 in army..9 mm 36 round..very simple and few parts..it allways work. Close combat..its very powerful..
The latch at the end was added because the new ammo was more powerful than the original design allowed for and they had end caps blow off.
U.S. tank crews still carried grease guns in the 90s not to outlandish
I saw some of these weapon at Watertown, MA US Army Arsenal in 1983 on arms force day in the moddle of June 1983. I saw reintruduce German Luger made in 1970 in caliber 9mm parabellum. These firearms I saw were in new condition and government brought a lots of these item for eveluation and manufactured ?
Could you do a video on the ak5?
I would gladly swap any battlerifle, or a M45B :)
ROF, distance, weight etc etc.. amazing weapon for it's time and it could easily be adapted for modern use.
The Danes also made a version of this pistol. They were manufactured by DISA and were stighty different to the Swedish model.
Yes the Hovea M49, similar but distinct!
Excellent weapon.
if you are a logistics truck driver, rear echelon dude or on a M109 20km from the front you dont need a full on rifle, in particular if the rifles are in short supply. As for SMG's the Swedish K is about as good as it gets unless you buy gucci MP5's or similar.
Nice weapons...pistol caliber SMGs are very obsolete for front line work since everyone has body armor......super cool and just fine for rear areas
It seem to miss the hook on the end cap. So it should be an a variant if swedish made.
MSBS Grot vid soon? 😢
M45 A black and big vent holez
M45 B Green and smaller holes
M45 C Green with small Holes and lug for long bajonett, mostly parade use
The big reason why we se 45A still floating around is because they were put into storage as soon as 45B were avaliable. Basicly ok in war but not during peacetime service. The last m45 in service in sweden were 45A for the homeguard that were just mobilization guns. Estonia seem to have thought they were safe enough for peacetime use.
As someone who has had some time tinkering with a 45A it's not that hard to get the endcap mounted not fully on unless you check it. The 45B you instantly see that it's wrong and harder to mount wrong.
So it has much to with just getting it on. Also the officer can just look and see it mounted correctly on the 45B but has to wiggle the cap on an 45A.
The end cap wilk fall of if not mounted correctly, it is either on correct or the spring will push it of.
B's are painted green and have a hook on the endcap, home guard got issued A's when the B's where getting old and worn
These were colloquially called pea guns by the conscripted soldiers in Sweden in the 1970:ies.
Well, I was a conscript in 1986-87, and we never called it that.
The Swedish defense had green submachine guns and the Swedish police got black ones with a switch that was blocked to not be able to shoot automatic fire.
The early A models where black in army version aswell. Or more correct, not painted.
@@peterandersson1230 på den tiden var dom blånerade.
Jeez.. thats ancient
Small input about the color, The M45b´s used by the swedish navy was not painted green but rather black as those shown the the images in this video.
More likely they used the A version.
@@peterandersson1230 It was not, back in 2003 when I served we 100% used the m45B and not A´s.
Close combat gun still working good👌
Neither of the shooters where able to fire the M45B as it should be hold. You NEVER hold the mag when you fire. You hold around your barrel. I was assign M45B when I was in the army. A brilliant close combat gun that, just like the AK47, send out lead no matter how dirty the gun was.
The problems is almost always human errors
Could these been donated from Former Irish m45 even if they havent announced it ? PPl seem to forget Irieland used these but i dont know what Models they had in ireland yes Sweden also gave the Baltic countires military aid in 90s sect alot of older stuff its true
Irish Gustaf's are 9mm. Dangerous if dropped with magazine inserted. We always carried them after being mounted with the magazine removed but the bolt to the rear.
👍🏻
It was used during the 80s and 90s in swedish military
In the 90s it was just for special cases as a personal defense weapon. I was issued one in 93 since I was stationed as crew on a ship and the AK5B was too big to not get in the way while on board. It was replaced by the AK5D later.
@@SirIdotthe US issued M3 grease guns all the way up to the 90’s for tank crews.
they built these guns under licence back in 1954 for the Egyptian army and it was called the Portsaid it's still a great gun and has a very high rate of fire a real wonder of its time and still is tits great for mopping up trenches, close, quarters and anti drones and it a nice small size
I wonder if any Egyptian made variant have made it to Ukraine.
(Egypt did make them on licence).
Another possible source of these SMG's, other than Estonia, is the US. In the 1970's, Sam Cummings (former CIA officer, and head of InterArms) had tried to import a literal "boat load" of CG/45's. While he had originally been given authorization to transship the firearms, through the US to a third country, while in transport to the US, some sort of issue that arose, that prevented the deal from being finalized. The firearms were SUPPOSED to have been dumped offshore in deep waters, but were instead offloaded to a CIA facility in Tidewater Virginia. There were at least four variants in that lot. How do we know? After learning that the deal was scuttled, Cummings rep offered one of each variant to the USMC arms collection at Quantico. A Marine picked up four CG/45's from the rep, and headed north to Quantico, but was in an accident on I-95. Virginia State Police, investigating the accident found the SMG's in the trunk of the vehicle. Flurry of phone calls and CYA action by the Corps, and InterArms followed.
All of these almost certainly come from the Baltic states. Sweden donated many infantry brigades worth of equipment with guns, vehicles, the lot to these countries a couple of decades ago. 100.000's (or at least many tens of thousands) AK4 (HK G3), Ksp 58 (FN MAG with green receiver), M45's etc.
They have these weird blank firing attachments, look like space phasers , and there was a red tip blank ammo .
Is there any chance that these weapons might be from the Smith & Wesson Vietnam era production run , from USA stocks ?
No, as those S&Ws are actually quite different in construction. Receiver shape and such.
@@TheArmourersBenchdid the US even make that many? Iirc they were only made to arm spec ops with weapons that weren’t obviously American.
@@baneofbanes Dear Mr Bane , the figures that I have heard mentioned are a production run of about six thousand (6,000) pieces, from 1967 to 1974.
The S&W M76 has many differences. Most of the Swedish weapons went to mercenary groups employed by the "Special Activities" division of the CIA as the MACV SOG went over to the CAR15 once it became available. The very good book "Copperhead" by Joe Garner described how he was tasked with training a mercenary unit composed of ex-NVA and Viet Cong members and they were exclusively armed with M/45s. So they vanished into the jungle with the warlords and narco guerrillas.
@@clivedunning4317that is a lot more than I was expecting, still that is a pretty small production run. Does the government even still have them?
3:00 “a museum piece”…it may be, but it’ll kill you just as easily as a modern firearm.
Yes, but I was told in the Swedish Marines that with the more powerful m/39b ammo it had a tendency to punch cleanly right through. That is more survivable than the 5.56mm that will tumble through the body
Used by MACV-SOG/Recon in Vietnam...
So they are going to fight it out uittil all they have left is clubs?
All M45B's are green and have a hook added to the cap on the back of the receiver.
Mine was green but didn't have the hook.
From Denmark mayby.. donated to the baltic states in 90s and ending up in Ukraine...? Like with the old danish 105 haubitsers ended in UA.
Denmark never used the M/45 to my knowledge, they had Hovea m49s.
@@TheArmourersBench as you say in the video, Estonia got them from us.
Sweden sold 450.000 kpist m/45 to Switzerland 🤨
They better check their inventory
Its not a m49 hovea, i had one, when i was in home Guards, it could take a drum magazine also, and that one cannot,
It’s a mystery to me why the PPS-43 and RPD-44 were removed from service with the Soviet army. These were the best samples in the world that were replaced by... nothing. They just decided to give everyone an AK. But not everyone needs it, and these samples were ALREADY produced by industry in large quantities.
And here even this squalor comes into play...
MSBS video when?
Dude, I know haha. There is a lot of material to go through to crest a representative picture of its pretty broad use but I appreciate your patience!
@@TheArmourersBench Bruh, I hear it for at least a year (?). *Shia LaBeouf just do it meme* with this video you showed, that its ok to revisit topics. So if there will be something to be added, there is a way in the future ;-).
Do a video about Mk18s/Daniel Defense 10.3s in ukriane.
Yeah I will, been keeping an eye on them. Feel free to send me any interesting ones you see.
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It is definitely not a "museum piece". Museum pieces are things that have no practical use in daily live and solely lives on with historical value, the Swedish K definitely has it's place in combat still due to it's accuracy and reliability. The AK47 is not something that people would call a "museum piece" yet is older than the Swedish K.
That’s not at all what museum pieces are.
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This is my favourite firearm, and my slave colony homeland's laws will forever prevent me from owning one.
I mean the americans loved it so much they made their own copy of it so it doesnt surpise me that its used in ukraine too. Goes to show we were really cooking when we designed this thing
You would think the proliferation of body armor that is at least rated for pistol calibers being common would make men averse to using subguns that are not firing higher velocity rounds. Hopefully these only get circulated to logistics personnel.
modern body armor stops pretty much all rifles anyways now so the diffrence is moot
From just watching Ukraine war footage, it seems gunshots to the extremities are extremely common. So, a 9mm can still be effective in spite of body armor. 🤠
"Hopefully these only get circulated to logistics personnel." - I hope so too since that with medical staff and others was how it was used in Sweden for e g
"The Home Guard" in 1980-90th. But for those needs it is still today a very good weapon that is also easy to clean and can take quite some mistreatment.
@@therideneverends1697 Absolute nonsense. Plates can stop high-velocity rifle rounds. However, they don't cover everything. Also, the bullet's kinetic energy is in large parts transferred to the wearer.
The much larger Kevlar armored areas do stop small caliber shots reliably and those pistol rounds cause less deformation damage.
body armor doesn't stop your arms, legs, stomach, crotch, sides, neck, and face from getting hit by one of the 32 rounds spraying out of this thing at close range
Should be easy to determ if it´s a swedish or a egyptian made, the sweish one´s are staped with 3 crowns.
They're definitely not Egyptian.
How can you be sure?Have you seen the 3 crowns?@@TheArmourersBench
@@nilsdanielsson3103 Because none of these guns match the Egyptian Port Said's configuration which has the removeable magazine well.
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does not penetrate much definitely not body armor. Very short range weapon. At a certain distance it can penetrate a rain coat they said when I was in the army. It definitely is no AK.
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in war, as long it lobs something to the opposition its a solid no matter how crude it is
in the history of humans living this planet, its like a ritual, a norm no matter how many era has past
Behold, conscript proof gun
This is funny! The Swedes had a hissy fit back in the 60's when US Special Forces and SEALS were using them in Vietnam.
yes and then the US made clones/copies of them cus they like the m45s so Much
Tbf America was in the same position in Vietnam that Russia is in Ukraine now. Both invaders that the locals don’t want there.
I mean the entire reason was concerns of Us war crimes and the fact that generally the entire world was against the Us for their war in vietnam
Swedish law prevented export of weapons to countries at war (maybe still does). Combined with a leftist government at the time willing to enforce it.
During my time at SSG (today SOG) we always had two standard AC:s.
The HK417 (7,62) and the G36E (5,56).
Its been some time since I served after conscription duty but I still think it's the standard weapons, in any case for SOG.
I think regular conscripts still use the old AK-5 or the upgraded version (5 C/D).
Anyway I remember how everyone hated the M/45 (it belongs In the museum) and how much It messed up in any way shape or form possible. It's a real "IKEA" weapon. The only advantage was its simplicity.
Yeah but they don't have the ammo the 9 mm patron m/39B, without that it's just a pretty sh*tty sub machinegun.
What made the gun great was the M/39B, it has a extra ordinary thick jacket that prevents it from deforming easily, and that makes it better in penetrating hard targets.
Some examples: It goes through 50 layers of kevlar or 20 cm of wood or 7 cm of brick.
So yeah without that specific ammo the gun is useless.
Funny how another Western Firearm has shown up in the Ukraine, considering that the vast majority of Firearms in the region were Soviet era.
Funny? Have you just not been paying attention to the war?
Russian soldier holding it in the image with the tank?
No, iirc that photo was shared by UA MoD.
@@TheArmourersBench interesting! Only seen UA wearing A-TACS FG a handful of times. Cool find!
@@shatteredskies8292basically there’s no camo standardization from either side. Hence the use of colored tape.
generation zero reference
It was phased out from swedish army a long time ago. 9mm bullets and short range. No switch between auto and one bullet at a time, all left to a quite sensitive trigger finger to regulate. Accuracy at 50+ m quite wasted every time disassembeling and cleaning the gun.
I never met anyone who had problems firing one round at a time.
Accuracy was good beyond 100m even after disassembly.
@@yt45204 shooting one bullet at a time was normally quite quick to learn. Accuracy after disassembly was not very good. Maybe we shot at 100m at the shooting range. I don't remember.
@@peterojala5948 It was a long time ago, so I'm not 100% sure. But I don't think we re-adjusted the sights every time after disassembly, and I think I could usually hit a basketball size target at 100m with no problems. 200m was OK for hitting a man sized target. 300m was real iffy, it'd have to be car sized to be easier to hit.
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