Swedish K: The Carl Gustav m/45B and the Port Said
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During the 1930s, Sweden acquired an assortment of different submachine guns, including Bergmanns, Thompsons, and Suomis. As World War Two progressed, they decided that they really needed to standardize on a single caliber and model of gun, and requested designs from both the Carl Gustav factory and Husqvarna. The Carl Gustav design won out, and was adopted as the m/45.
It was a very simple open-bolt, tube-receiver, fixed-firing-pin design chambered for 9x19mm Parabellum ammunition. The original guns were built around Finnish Suomi magazines, both 71-round drums and 50-round "coffin" mags. After the war these were replace by a new 36-round traditional box magazine, and magazine well adapters were fitted to the guns which precluded the use of the larger mags. The new magazines were much more convenient to carry, less expensive, and more reliable.
The name "Swedish K" comes form the full designation: Kulsprutepistol m/45. The guns were used by American special operations forces in Vietnam until the Swedish government stopped export sales to the US, at which point the Navy commissioned Smith & Wesson to produce the Model 76 submachine gun (essentially a copy of the m/45). The design was also licensed by Egypt, which also licensed the AG-42 Ljungman rifle at the same time. The Egyptian copy was called the Port Said, and shows the features fo the original Swedish m/45 pattern, where the guns in Swedish service were mostly updated to the m/45B pattern.
Photo of m/45C with bayonet from: www.gotavapen.se/index_eng2g.htm
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"Kulsprutepistol" (almost) literally translates to "bullet spraying pistol" :P
or the more fun translation "fun spraying pistol"
Ball spraying pistol is close enough.
That is the best name for that type of gun in my opinion. I wonder if "kuularuisku" is derived from that. Bullet hose or something, sometimes used in Finland.
Bullet squirter.
For the fun-at-parties crowd, that would be "machinegun pistol". So yes, we swedes call them bullet sprayers.
The Swedes themselves actually shortened "kulsprutepistol" to "Kpist" themselves, short step from that to just "K."
But... in Sweden we used special 9×19 FMJ ball ammo for this gun, where the case bottom most often is marked with a K (code for Karlsborg ammo factory). Perhaps also US troops used that hi-power ammo in Vietnam or elsewhere, and thus it might be from that K, the K in Swedish K comes, who knows for sure?
@@ilex8426 39B
I only known it as kpist, only heard americans say swedish K
@@weasel1weasel1 K-pist. Eskilstuna kvalitet.
Still do. It's the standard Swedish word for a submachine gun, to the point where you'll find "kpist" in both dictionaries and newspapers. No one actually says "kulsprutepistol".
It was my “Kpist” during my service in Sweden, just wanted to ad that the big handle was great when you had your military winter gloves on , so maybe a good reason why they didn’t do it smaller.
That is correct, it was made for Swedish winterwarfare.
I had it as well, memories.
It was a nice little Kpist, I also used it when I did my military service. The slow fire rate made it easy to shot single shot and it looks like a scifi raygun with the black ammo barrel and the black ammo cone. It was not really blank ammo as there was a projectile was at first made of wood and later plastic but the barrel and cone turned the bullet into harmless mist of wood/plastic.
@@ThomasVanhala The officer that introduced us to the weapon told us that the rate of fire could be improved simply putting in an extra spring. We didn't see this demonstrated thou so I assumed that doing that where not offical policy....
@@michaelpettersson4919 I hear that too but i also hear that the extra spring made the weapon go out of control full automatic and empty the mag after the first pull of the trigger. but who knows there was a lot of military rumors.
My great grandfather was one of the engineers from Carl Gustav that assisted in setting up the Egyptian production! I even have a medal with his name and the image of a Port Said on it that they gave him.
same
Single shot precision shooting compettition with this heavy open bolt full auto only gun is a real thing in Sweden.
Do they also breach and clear with sniper rifles? Ooh, and artillery for sidearms!
It is a dying sport though, I have a neighbour who is way into retirement and is currently the youngest active member of the sporting union.
@@SonsOfLorgar fuckit. I'll call up donny and have him send you guys some ICBMs to breach with
VampireShogun that is a common belief but not really accurate. I know guys in their 30s who has m45s for competition. But it’s pretty rare.
@@SonsOfLorgar THEY DID WHAT
*MERICA INTESIFIES*
My service weapon during 1991, sweet memories. For shooting blanks, this weaponized equivalent of a farmers tractor came with a barrel fitted with an atrocious looking funnel on the end. This would help disperse the red powdery dust that the blanks produced.
During a combat excercise, when I had been admittedly a little too much trigger happy, the funnel got caked up with dust and the muzzle flame set it ablaze. There I was, fanning my kulsprutepistol back and forth trying to extinguish the pink roman candle on the end of the barrel, while my squad advanced forward.
Man, how my sergeant yelled at me. :-)
"Look sarge, I made a flamethrower!"
He was only yelling to keep from laughing 😂
This is why Ian's comment section is the best!
Don't forget that the "blanks" barrel was conical on the inside (and could be used for shooting small round pellets, with a lower powder charge, for cheap(er) practice and atrocious ballistics).
Ingvar Mattsson true that!👍🏼
I was half expecting a cutaway gag when you said “War were declared”
Come for the guns, stay for the occasional meme
Same here, I still hope c&arsenal releases all of those as a compilation some day.
'... SURPRISE!!'
"...unfortunately, a few years later peace broke out."
"Swedish Ice Vikings"
and now my Black Metal band has a name...
Krispy Bacon that would defo be a metalcore or power metal band. BM bands have names like Dissection or Orgy of Carrion.
Sabaton is good enough.
Daedalus 000 ye
substitute the drums for sprays of bullets
@@abominablecnutswain8206 those are more death metal names
8:30 the trick is to take the back cap and use the hook part to depress the locking lug.
A lot of memories with this gun. Wish I had one now.
I had the regular M/45. We used the "kornnyckel". It's Important to remember to depress it when assembling the gun as well, otherwise, the knob would be worn out. If you made that ratcheting sound you would get shouted at.
@@HasturT Two or three clicks was allowed, not more.
@@nicklasodh two, for us at least.
@@HasturT Shouted at, then pushups. You did it again in the same day you got to carry the "Järnspett" for the next day. Or so the LT said, we managed to avoid that particular oops.
@@yt45204 We still use the nametags for parts of the AK ^^
Fun that you also managed to sneak in the word "Smörgåsbord" which is a Swedish word! Great videos as always!
Yeah I laughed
Apparently it become abit well-known in US for some reason
Buttergoosetable
@@kallmannkallmann We like guns, and when we heard the Swedish had this big collection of guns called a "Smörgåsbord" , we learned the word.
Imagine our disappointment.
@@Grimmwoldds well it means sandwich🥪table, and its not actually a word sweds that much
As a Swede i was carrying this machinegun for 10 months during my military service and loved it. As mentioned earlier we called it K-Pist, short for Kulsprute Pistol, and that´s probably where the Swedish K comes from. As a "Swedish Ice Viking" myselfe i had no problems grabbing the guns handle, and during the winter, with gloves on, it was a good thing it wasn´t smaller. I love how you pronounced kulsprutepistol, nice work =) The weapon itselfe is small, lightweight and good enough for extreamly short distances. If you had the bajonett in the front that would actually make the killing distance longer =) The best way to increase the shooting speed is to remove the endcap and put a flashlight battery, model D, between tha cap and the spring. Or just pull on the spring to make is longer. We did both! Cleaning the gun is very easy. During the winter period we where all given small plastic caps to put infront of the barrel to protect it from snow and ice. 100% of the times we forgot to remove it before fireing so we all shot it to pieces.
Here is my swedish k-story. Back in 1995, when I was 14, I was lucky enough to be accepted as an aprentice for a week at the Swedish Airforce flottilla 15 in Söderhamn. This was a few years after the cold war ended. Things were calming down. The Swedish Airforce had started downsizing. I noticed none of this. The work at the base was dead serious, and security was rigorous. It was an amazing week, I got to do actual work on Viggens. I had never seen guns before, except for the omni present hunting rifles in my village. But here I suddenly found myself cleaning a pod mounted 30mm akan after live round firing excercises.
A night excercise was scheduled one of the days I was there. This was kind of the highlight of the week, and I would not miss any of it. So, at about 22:00 I left my room. As an avid amateur photographer, I also took my Canon AE1 with me and some film. I do not remember if it even crossed my mind that running around an active airbase with a professional looking camera was kind of a bad idea. Most likely I understood how stupid it was, but ignored it. I really wanted a shot of a Viggen taking off with full afterburner in darkness.
So I strolled around the base for an hour or so, waiting for the airplanes to get ready. I figured I needed to change location to get the shot I wanted, so I headed off to the perimeter of the base. Then I realized my (probably) cheap 200 iso film was not optimal for photography in darkness. Having no tripod, the best option would be to rest the camera somewhere on the ground to keep it steady. So this I did, a few hundred metres away from the hangars.
The jets were just about to take off. Then suddenly I was blinded by a powerful flashlight. I looked up from my carefully selected ditch, where I was fiddling with my camera. A fierce looking guy was pointing a gun at me. The gun was held in a sling and looked much like one of the bolt guns used at my parents farm to take out sick animals. Much later in life did I realize it must have been the ”swedish k”.
With a dark voice, the man asked who I was, what the camera was for, still pointing the gun at me. I started wimpering, then crying. I was so afraid I could not speak properly. Words stacking and bubbling in my mouth; I am 14, I am an apprentice at the base, I like photography. That gun terrified me. I shivered from fear. It had no beauty in it. It was a tool, like the tools in the hangars. But a tool for killing.
Some how, my explanation got through. I helped the guy open up my camera. He tore out the film and threw it over his shoulder. He said something and I heard people laughing in the darkness some distance away. He then told me to go back to my quarter and go straight to bed. So this I did, falling asleep to the sound of jet engines tearing up the sky above.
This was a very formative week for me. I never joined the military, my interest for guns are purely historical and I have no wish whatsoever to own or shoot guns. But I would later in life work both as a car mechanic and a motor journalist. Very much a direct result of the interest sparked in the hangars. I have the aircraft mechanics in Söderhamn to thank for much. Also I should probably thank the base defence (or whoever they were) for not popping a shot in me and ask later.
Ahhh the Memories !
The green color was also part of the model B changes. The strengthening of the endcap was done due to the use of hotter 9mm ammunition that put to much strain on it. When that ammunition was out of stock and only regular 9mm parabellum was used they went back to using the M/45.
The selector variant with semi-auto was the police model. It is very easy to shot single shots with the regular one without a selector.
Make sense, I carried no *33007 1986-1987 T2 Skövde. And it was a 45a in the white or atleast not painted green. I hope that they kept some of these guns inventory. In the early 2000 when i joined homeguard (hemvärnet) i hoped that they would equipp me with one of these. Oh NOO they didn't. They gave me a G3 (AK4), that was not a pleasent experience the gun is heavy and kick like a mule. When I asked why, the answer was that there was no good way to lock or secure the gun when keeping it stored at home. Any way i was told that there is about 500k still in inventory in some damp mountinbunker somewhere in Sweden.
The ones we were issued in the air force were grey if I haven't become totally senile.
Also, worst gun to clean. Said the ksp58 gunner. 😁
The 39/B 9x19 ammunition is still around though they did destroy a lot of it (use by date had passed, most likely nothing wrong with it). For a while they where giving it away to gun clubs, but that unfortunately stopped for some reason. Some say it was the police complaining about the military giving away "cop killer" ammunition, others says it was because some clubs sold it instead of letting their members using it up. And we couldn't sell it to civilian US market either as it would be considered as armour penetrating.
So instead we spent a lot of money just destroying it. :(
@@SonsOfLorgar yes 39/B is harder on guns, but our Glocks is standard Glock, no special reinforcement. And the reason 39/B is hard on guns is that the bullet use a thick steel jacket, apart from that it's not a really hard load. I've shot hundreds of 39/B through my CZ's, I have friends who have shot 10's of thousands of 39/B through their civilian Glocks (one might have passed 100 000 rounds through his, a majority 39/B before he replaced it).
As to our 7,62 Nato, the standard 7,62 mm Sk Ptr 10 is the usual 146gr FMJ doing around 785m/s - 2575 fps, really nothing special. But maybe they load a lot of AP in the guns used on the Strv 122 (Leopard 2), and that might be harder then the usual FMJ.
@@SonsOfLorgar Yes, this is the main reason why Pistol m/40 was pulled from service. The mechanism developed cracks and i have heard there was at least one incident with the pistol spiting the "bolt" back in the face of the shooter.
A Note about the "Suomi mag"
That is actually a Swedish magazine Designed by Carl Schildström and produced by a company called AB Linde
for the Swedish versions of the Suomi (Designed for the M/37 in 9x20mm but then adapted for 9x19 for the M/37-39)
that the Finns later adopted and produced under license (Starting in 1941 by Tikkakoski because it was cheaper / easier to produce then the drum).
And it was the standard Mag for the Swedish when the M/45 was being developed (as they had a few hundred thousand magazines for use with the 35.000+ Kpist M/37-39)
so it made sense for it to be able to use those.
Though the new 36 round magazine quickly proved superior to be more reliable and easier to load then the old Coffin mag
(it was very fragile an even smaller dents could cause it to become unreliable)
which is why the 36 round mag soon became standard.
It Just bothers me when people call them Suomi mags considering that Suomi just means Finland/Finnish.
And those Mags arent Finnish they are Swedish damn it (^.^) They might not have been perfect but they are ours xD.
He never implied that they are Finnish, but just as you state yourself, made for the Suomi-smg.
Exactly, the KP31used round magazines to start with.
@cody sonnet Such a mish-mash of truth & inaccuracies in your list there it makes my eyes water...
Tack!
@@LeftFlamingo Well the easiest solution for that would be calling it a M/37 or a M/37-39 Mag.
As those as the Swedish Versions of the KP-31 that the Magazine was designed for.
Being Designed initially for the M/37 in 9x20mm Browning long in with a 56 round capacity (As the 9x20mm ammo was issued in 26 round boxes 2 boxed made for 1 mag)
and then Later the design was adapted to 9x19 when The Swedish army Switched from 9x20mm to 9x19mm and adopted the m/37-39 with the 9x19 version of the mag holding 50 rounds.
So the original magazine might not even work in the Finnish guns
(as it was made for 9x20 and not 9x19).
Or alternatively one could just call it a Swedish Suomi Coffin mag.
(Though even that is not 100% perfect as Finland produced 120,000 of them under license between 1941-1943 so those could be said to be Finnish made Swedish Suomi mags xD)
Also (and someone feel free to correct me if im wrong here)
But he did actually say that the Mag was Finnish even though was probably not his intention to do so xD
Since to my (very limited understanding of the Finnish language) cant Suomi be used to mean both Finland and Finnish?
If So calling it a Suomi Mag could be translated as a Finnish Mag or Finland mag (or atleast that is my understanding) ^-^.
The weapon I was issued when I did my service in the artillery back in 83/84. Seeing it disassembled like that sure brings back memories: Of cotton swabs, the smell of oil and rushed cleanings followed by inspections in the corridor. During a winter exercise I used a m45 in a biathlon. For skis I used a pair of army issue skis, ironically (affectionally) named “vita blixten” (White lightning) by the soldiery.
It was good gun. Dead easy to fire single shots with and quite controllable in automatic. The only gripe I had was when carrying it on the back, in the sling, and bending over to enter one’s tent, it tended to swing forward and smack you in the face with the end cap 😊 Honestly though, that was hardly any fault on part of the gun
Same here. A9 Kristinehamn (and Villingsberg) 1985-86.
A1 Linköping, Villingsberg and Skillingaryd
@@FairDinkvm Menig E beräkningspersonal. Pjäsn€grerna som skötte Fransyskorna hade de eländiga AK4orna. Tror att även trådtattarna liksom mcord hade kpisten. Samt: halva regementet hade även övningar i Älvdalen - vi "slapp undan" med Villingsnam...
@@JohanNilsson1966 Menig E, telefonist, här, Kristinehamn och Älvdalen -81-82. Trådtattare, ehhh.... Ok, Vi hade Kpist liksom all Bplatspersonal, medan pjäsgubbarna hade AK4.
:-) haha...that actually happened to me. I was tired and forgot i had the Kpst hanging in front of me when entering the tent. Since then i have 4 stitches in my eyebrow to remind me of being clumpsy.
I had platoon record. Disassemble: 7 sec. assemble: 23 sec.
With the "A" version, assemble under 20s wasn't that hard. But I think the different end cap may have made it easier.
9 and 29 was mine. To my recollection you had to do the assembling over and over again until you reached 30 seconds or less. Did my service 86-87.
Circa 1:37 "They had a real smorgasbord of submachine guns" - I see what you did there, Ian 👍
The Swedes had a smorgasbord of machine guns.
Ian never disappoints with the puns.
We sure have! But not for civilian use :(
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@@Grandmaster-Kush you can fix that.
smorgåsbörd
@@lakrids-pibe Smörgåsbord, unless you're trying to say that you're descended from a long line of sandwiches.
The 9mm ammunition was delivered in 6x6 36 round stripper clips. They fit on the side of a stamped steel speedloader that sat on the empty magazine and by a lever you push 6 rounds in at a time and gravity feeds next row. With a bit of training you can reload a magazine in under 10 seconds.
Pic of loader and clip, www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/catalog/SwedeK.Ldr.JPG
That was also one of the very best military 9mm combat loads ever invented.
Actually, a cast aluminum (or some alloy) body.
10:25 the markings translate for: Port Said 49, made in Egypt. I believe the number stand for the year of production. The serial number is "127831".
Is it not "Raid and prevent Egypt"?
its not 49 it's 9 م ( letter meem) for mm
it reads ٩ مم the number 9 and mm stands for millimetre.
Yes: بور سعيد ٩مم صنع مصر /būr sa‛īd 9mm ṣuni‛a miṣra/ which is "Port Said 9mm Egypt made"
The m/45C saw extensive use in peacekeeping missions with the UN which in the case of the Congo missions in the 1960s led to the m/45C seeing extensive use in combat vs local insurgents, bandits and mercenaries.
M/45C style barrel shrouds were issued to units rotating to Stockholm to do guard duty outside the Royal Palace and Drottningholm (the later is the private residence of the Royals). Unlike say the UK the duty was shared between all units of the armed forces including air force and navy rather than being done only by the regiments of the Royal Guard.
The bayonet used was the m/94, the photo you showed was actually the absurdly long m/1915 bayonet used only by the Navy who still seem.to have been preparing for boarding actions as late as World War 1. The m/94 was a bit shorter though still pretty impressive and a useful tool when herding tourists visiting the palaces.
Public Duties in the UK are in fact shared by units from all branches of the military, however in most cases this rotation primarily involves detachments from the line infantry. Royal Air Force and Royal Navy detachments do periodically serve as public duty contingents, as well as detachments from commonwealth countries. The rotation of contingents probably does not closely resemble the Swedish system, however it is unfair to describe the Household Division as exclusively fulfilling the role of Royal residence guards.
I like the idea of herding tourists with bayonets.
"Giant race of Swedish ice vikings" gotta love it xD
Something about that really made me laugh, it might have something to do with spending a good portion of the last two weeks getting my old Skyrim install back up and running. I modded the heck out of it in years past and had to get it back to a mostly stable state, something I'd been putting off doing for a couple of years now. Trimmed some fat, cleaned out some problematic mods, updated everything that hadn't been touched since 2016, and actually succeeded in getting a playable build again.
I saw your comment and First wondered how Ian will end up talking about ice Vikings racing tournament 😂
@@anttitheinternetguy3213 I know it's a year old comment but an obscure sport that's popular in Northern Sweden, Finland and Estonia is called "Kärringkånk". You take your wife, sling her over your shoulders and run an obstacle course/race against other men doing the same. Either you can be a large Ice Viking who can carry his wife without issue or you can be a small ice viking who has to get a thinner wife. It's a really fun sport to both watch and participate in!
1:19 the glint in Ian’s eye as he says “war were declared” is wonderful!
If I ever has to do close quarter combat. THIS IS MY CHOICE! I've shot thousands of rounds with it. I've been trained to shoot full mags. That was fun, but took some training......
I've never seen the Suomi mag. Cool!
When this weapon was on duty with the Swedish UN forces, it is said that the Swedes challenged the other UN troop to bury their guns in the sand.... The Swedish "Kpist" always worked after that.
We were also taught to make sure that the bolt was locked when jumping of a truck, as it could unintentionally fire a round in your neck...
There is no problem firing single rounds with the "Kpist". This was standard for all of us at range training.
A really great gun!
Greeting from Sweden.
Rudolf Abelin
Former Second Lieutenant in conscript army.
"Conscript army" no two ways about that.
@@secretbaguette I did my training 1979-80. Then served as a conscript SiC on different companies. The core is of course full time officers and officers in the reserve. Plus also full time technical personnel. Not unlike the US during WW2. During the cold war during the 60th Sweden had the worlds third sized airforce and in 14 days could mount roughly 500000 (mostly) men. It costs to be neutral, which was a lot of bullshit even though we wasn't in NATO, we worked very close to the US.
@@rudolfabelin383 I did my training 2009, Served in the South Scanian Regiment, deployed during the Lybian civil war in 2011.
@@rudolfabelin383 I did my training in 2009, South Scanian regiment, deployed during the Lybian Civil War in 2011.
@@secretbaguette Revingehed gissar jag. Själv var var jag på Ingenjörtrupperna. 3 mån på Ing 2 och 12 mån på Ing 1. Kul tid.
well I did talk to an old guy who work on an place where they made the Swedish K and he told me all the stuff they need to make it only cost 9$ for materials to make the gun.
A crusty old Fanjunkare (SgtMajor) once told me that he had a soldier leave a Kpist 45 in the path of a tank in the early 80s. The weapon was flattened and the soldier had to pay for it. Cost the soldier slightly less than 200 SEK.
Can confirm, that was the replacement cost I saw listed as a kvartermästare in the early 90s
Of course, most soldiers, at least in the Ice Viking regiments, made their own Ks out of tusks from walruses they killed themselves.
A bit of interesting trivia, the reason for strengthening the receiver endcap isn't so much because it was weak or anything. It was because enterprising Swedish draftees figured out that you could insert a C/LR14 battery into the receiver and achieve a higher rate of fire. This would eventually cause the endcap to come off and striking the poor draftee squarely in the face.
Back when I did my military service in 03 our instructors explicitly warned us against trying this because we were issued the m/45a, they were taken directly from a mobilization storage, where they in all likelihood had sat since they were produced in the late 40's to early 50's) until we were issued them), issued to us for our basic fire drills and after we turned them back in sent for destruction.
Another "trick" was to use two recoilsprings, for the same reason of increasing rate of fire.
The problem with this was that the bolt would not catch on the trigger, so you had to keep pointing down range until the magazine ran empty.
Fun fact , when you added a second spring, so two recoilsprings in the samegun you almost doubled the fire rate, but there was a backside, once you pulled the trigger it would empty the magazine even if you let go of the trigger 😆
I think the main reason for the reinforced rear cap was the (then) really hot ammo 39B. I brought a case of those to a buddy in Arizona who worked as a LEO. Not only did they class it +P++ but the bullet profile apparently made it a hazard to people wearing body armor. Not bad for a measly 9mm... :)
Some people put in double springs for faster shooting, but the old end cap could break 🙂.
@@tobiaspersson8850 Men vaffaen? Jävla bondmekaniker ska då alltid fram och pilla... :D
M39B has thicker and harder jacket and an iron core. It was/is not loaded to higher presure than the earlier M39 ammo. I will not use this ammo in my own guns. The bullet profile is standard Round Nose.
I was secretly wishing for a Swedish K video on "Forgotten Weapons" for quite some time. :)
Me too but not secretly.. The opposite actually
I was wishing for the Port Said video, I've shot one of those.
I was surprised there wasn't one already. The Port Said was a bonus.
"Hus-kvarna" rather than "Husk-varna", btw. (its a small town outside of Jönköping - which is the name of a city that we will not force you to pronounce)
"Kulsprutepistol" was fairly correct though.
I'm going to make a guess:
"yoon-kooping"?
@@elijahaitaok8624 more akin to yern-sherping
@@rabeandre2 exactly!
@@rabeandre2 hey thanks for letting me know, languages baffle me, even my own.
westeros-västerås på tal på inget om engelska namn på svenska orter
Can´t wait for Ian doing a review of the phased plasma rifle in the 40 Watt range.
This is one of my favorite videos of yours, Ian. I've watched it probably 15 times. I really appreciate the comparison between the two. Well done. Probably the best open bolt SMG ever made. If not, it's still my favorite! Looks like the only may to make it quit is to run out of ammo!
If you close the bolt and smack the stock to the floor, for example, it will bounce the bolt to either hook up or fire a round if you are un-lucky. thats why the transport safety is there.
Ya we had one drop once and fired off few rounds
From what I remember it happened few times in 70s when the odd idiot left it in coked potion,after that they revised the sop for handling one
@@yt45204 6.48, coked ready to fire,seen it happen few times when guys got careless
@@yt45204 not guns fault at all. Fired it competitively for years getting lots trophies etc and found it fantastic gun if knew how handle it properly
1:39 "Smorgasborg of submachine guns.." You couldn't resist the pun, could you?!
Denis Vermeirre Smörgåsbord*
I missed the pun.
@@eriklindergren8755 in denmark we call it smøre brød
@@eriklindergren8755 Smorgasbord is an actual English word, obviosly taken straight from Swedish, Smörgåsbord. So using a Swedish word when talking about Swedish submachine guns is a bit of a pun =)
What's with the argument
@@eriklindergren8755 Jeg talar inte Svenska
Once upon a time, I owned an M45B Swedish K. According to my Normount Technical Manual, there were early and late model M45Bs, the early model (which I had), having the removable mag well and the end cap like the Port Said and the stock release was a button on the top of the hinge with no latch. Interestingly enough, it had a special 6 column 36 rd stripper clip and a loader the clip slid through so you could load 6 rounds into the 36 rd mag with each push of the plunger. You could load the whole mag in less than 10 seconds. The rate of fire was actually closer to 450 rpm. The 50 rd mags were a pain to load, but worked flawlessly. The Swedish K was also used by the U.S. Army Special Forces, and the Infantry museum at Ft.Benning, Ga. has one with the suppressor on display.
I remember a Vietnam vet I worked with about twenty years ago. He was a Huey pilot I think he flew slicks but he touted how much he loved these guns and always had one in the cockpit with him.
When I was still in the service the K was mentioned a lot by US troops as a weapon to get your hands on during the 1964/65 period in South Vietnam.
Last time I had Swedish K, it took me hours to climb out of the hole...
ho ho like it, been there
Oh yeah.
Lucid Nonsense i don’t get it
@@lilclaptrap4289 it's a reference to the drug Ketamine. It can put you in a state known as "K-hole".
JJ Gittes Ah i see, thank you stranger, may your travels be safe
The M/45 was bought and used by the Irish Defence Forces and primarily saw action on Irish UN Tours. One such battle was the Siege Of Jadotville (13-17 September 1961) in the Katangese region of the Congo during the Congo Crisis. It was just one Irish Company of some 155 or 158 troops that were mostly green horns up against a large group of some 3000 veteran Belgian, French, and Rhodesian Mercenaries as well as some local tribesmen irregulars. And to top it off, the Merc's had Air support consisting of a French Jet trainer with locally made bombs, It looks like a blood bath from the get go. The only state of the art weapons the Irish had was the UN supplied FAL's other than that were some water cooled vickers machine guns, Lee Enfield bolt action rifles, bren guns and the M/45's. However when fighting first broke out they managed to hold their own for five days, despite being asked to surrender and with no support from command when water and food ran low they still kept their hopes high saying they would "fight to the last bullet" on the radio to command. On the fifth day of the battle the Irish surrendered. mainly because fighting any more would have just been foolish. Not because they had lost too many men or their spirits just broke. It was because they had no more ammunition to fight with. After the battle the casulties were counted and suprisingly. Not a single Irishman was killed. Only a couple wounded but the Mercs suffered 300 casualties and 1000 more wounded. It was a victory to the Katangese and their mercenaries. But a Pyrrhic victory it would remain. It very much goes to show no matter how outdated your weaponry or how green your soldiers are. Its as long as you have enough supply and spirit, victory is to be Assured. And the M/45 Would assure that.
The one we’ve all been waiting for! Thank you, Ian and team!
“Swedish K, I love you man!” - John Malkovitch
I forgot to tell Ian that this Swedish K is the actual gun held by John Malcovich in RED.
I'm amazed how well Ian pronounced Kulsprutepistol :D
Yeah, but he still butchered smörgåsbord. XD
@@eriklindergren8755 Funnily enough, no. That's pretty much an English word now, they stole it and mutilated it :D Same thing with Ombudsman
@@jonipaananen9304 Yes English has that habit... "English doesn't “borrow” from other languages: it follows them down dark alleys, knocks them over, and goes through their pockets for loose grammar and valuable vocabulary. ... The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore." 😁
@@skabbigkossa It's a swedish word. It has never been an english word and it never will be.
@@DennisKarlsson By that logic all loanwords in Swedish are not really Swedish, even if we use them daily. Language is fluid, it changes and borrows words from other languages all the time.
This is one I've been waiting for for years. The only machine gun I've ever shot was a Port Said. One evening at a party, a gentleman had this gun to show me. It was the Port Said. We shot several hundred rounds through it and the story of his acquisition of the weapon was very interesting, to say the least. Thank you Ian, it is a very interesting firearm indeed.
That camera pan to the sight picture was just lovely
2:00 on an interesting note.
The gun that Husqvarna made for the trials (Husqvarna FM44)
continued to be improved upon after loosing out against the M/45 and ended up becoming adopted by the Danish as the M/49 hovea
(and used the same Magazines as the M/45 first using the 50 round Coffin mag and the Finnish 71 round drum but later moving to the 36 round box designed for the m/45)
So both guns ended up being successful in the end.
So now Ian have to find a M/49 Hovea to make a video of.
@@martinh2783 The two are very similar weapons especially externally.
Especially since the M/49 used the pistolgrip/Folding stock from the M/45
(where as the FM44 prototype had a different style of pistolgrip/folding stock)
Finally, a video of my old service gun. Thanks a bunch! I really loved (and misses) the speed loader. Filling a 36 round magasin in seconds was great. 👍🤓
i had one during my military service '99
really easy to use and easy to clean
4 seconds of full auto fun... then change mag
we were told the problem with the end cap was that during full auto on the earlier version the
spring could vibrate off the cap
so not only was it strengthened but the black collar thing one can see inside the cap is to
reduce vibrations
we called it "Mördar Bertil" or "Killer Bertil" after the B
The Port Said model is very similar to the former Danish Army M49 SMG. It was famous for being best with the sling on, for targets up to 50 meters. With the sling on, you could throw it that far. Also, you could stuff a D-cell battery up the rear of the frame, to increase the firing rate quite a lot.
You missed the speedloader that fills a mag in five seconds or so.
So rare it was almost a state secret.
@@gustaferikson5942 I never saw one during my service time, in fact I only learned about it long after. What a pity, my thumbs could have used that. Hated loading those long magazines by hand.
Cheers
It was a bit bulky to carry in your combat harness bags though. I usually kept in the backpack and loaded manually when crawling around in the woods.
I believe we were some of the last guys equipped with M45b, did my military service in the air force in 1991-1992 and the AK5 had started to be used by the army guys. Maybe that's why we got to have the "quick loaders"?
The speed loader was great. I used it every time i loaded the mags. It took about 3 secunds to fill a mag.
@@anderslittorin6882 98-99 airforce. 8 weeks "gröntjänst" with Kpist then we handed them in. Fältpluton.
While I rarely saw it, in my childhood years it was cool knowing one of these guns where stored in a corner of the house.
Sadly since my dad quit the homeguard he was required to return it to the army so it's long gone.
Samma visa för mig fast med AK4 istället :)
Kaften bogjaful
Too bad that the dog didn’t accidentally “eat”it ...
De tog tillbaka nästan alla vapen i slutet på 90talet. Nu är de i kasun på regementena.
Ah, memories... I remember hearing you could put in a 'D-size' battery behind the spring to increase the rate of fire, didn't have an opportunity to test that though.
Forgotten? I'm sure many Swedes, including myself, have very fond memories of this small, light, easy to use and easy to maintain little submachinegun, from their 'National Service' days, in my case in the Air Force in the early 1980's.. I still remember the first time we had to take the gun apart and re-assemble it.. in under 5 minutes, blindfolded. The springs in the magazines went everywhere... boing, boing. Anyway, yes, great gun, fondly remembered..
Watched the video mainly for nostalgic reasons.
I did almost one year in the Royal Navy in the mid seventies, starting whit 3 months of grundutbildnig ( basic infantry training)
and boy did we use these weapons ( and cleaning them ) more or less every day. Very easy to handle and very reliable.
Most people just call the m45's "Kpist" in sweden. Good to see Ian finally got his hands on one though.
Fyrtiofem Bertil is what I've always said.
I got to shoot this thing during my time volunteering for the home guard, really fun.
My dad was in the Swedish army as a sergeant, and he handmade a replica "K-pist" for me and my brother to play with when we were kids haha
I got to use the K-B. What a piece of art. Simple yet wildly effective.
You bring the coolest things.
The audio for headphones is kinda off, thought my earphones were broken for a second
Switch to mono audio. That will fix it.
@@holdenroth5929 thanks for the tip
Love your pronounce of kulsprutepistol, with the unavoidably Swedish chef touch xD
Cheers from Sweden!
It's better than his pronunciation of "Huskvarna" =P
'yng borskin deh hrn ba dink-a-doo, yng borskin dor hrn bork, bork, bork.' -The Swedish Chef, probably.
It seems to be a common mispronounciation of Husqvarna. As saith in another comment above, it's Hus_kvarna.
thats always been one of my favorites...lot like the sten...great stuff man,enjoyed it thoroughly
I have used this smg while serving pdf on UN peace keeping mission in Congo 1961/2 our version was altered by welding a lee enfield no 4 muzzle in order that a bayonet could be fixed. I enjoyed a number of your videos on weapons Bob Cremers
Yay! 😃
That was the first automatic gun I fired in the Swedish Airforce youth organization when I was 15.
When was this? I was in the youth home guard, and we got to use the mauser and on rare occasion the Ak4 on semi, this was in the early 2000's
@@SicariiD I got to use the Ak4, K-pist, Glock and Ksp m/58 when I was in the youth home guard. This was in 2013. The mausers was gone by then I guess.
I thought my headphones got broken for a sec
Same, can only hear him in the left side.
I fiddled around with mine for 2 min before cross-checking with another vid...
And my headset only works on the right side.....
same mine for all of you
@@dannythehonestgamer6051 Check that you don't have your headphones on backwards, the rest of us hear him on the right side.
Nice weapon i was trained on it during my military sevice. We use 2 magazines taped together wit a 9mm bullet as a divider. We trained target practice up to 100meters.
Swedish ice-viking: *I find nothing wrong with this grip*
Nor do I. Greetings. / tomasgidlof.se
Neither I, though i'm able to, for example hold a golf club in a rather complicated two hand with fingers overlapping. Basically left thumb above the grip, right pinky intertwined with left index finger and right thumb along the grip.
For me, the k-pist m45/b's trigger is between first and second joint in my right index finger.
The green color wasnt applied until later on Swedish weapons. The M45 was black, the M45b was green
Kpist 45/b was the most common one.
That is awesome! I could pick that apart and put it back together in like 30sek back in the day.
My dad used this when he did service in 1983, cool to see you reviewing it.
I've been longing for this video to be made, 2020 starts greatly with a wish come true!
Finally! Waited so long for you to get your hands on one! 😅
Kula=Bullet
Spruta=Syringe/hose/sprayer
Pistol=Pistol
Lel.
Also, kul: fun.
Fun syringe pistol
The swedish language works like that most of the time. It just blatantly states what it is. A bullet spraying pistol. Pistol refering to the caliber.
@@guseks8413 Yep, that's very Swedish indeed ^^
I trained with one of those when I did military service! There was a rumor that some soldiers had tried to increase rate of fire by borrowing an extra spring from their fellow soldier. I dont know if it had worked out, but our officers told us not to try it.
Back in 04 this gun was on it's last stretch but I had the chance to operate on. It was cool because all you heard when shooting it with our active earprotection was a "katchonk, katchonk" from the repeating bolt. It was louder than the ammo going off. This gun is also why the SWE armed forces uses Glocks instead of sigs like the police. The ammo is to hot for sigs but the Glick can take it and we had ALOT of surplus ammo when this was dismantled.
Good vid as always Ian!
Irish army also used the M45
Yes years back, when they were ditched they kept some for shooting comps, great gun for shooting once got feel for single shots
Very interesting, a friend of mine was in the FCA (back in the 80's, Army Reserve now?) and he spoke about shooting the 'karl-gustav' sub machine-gun; he said it would 'climb' in auto (just like any other sub machine-gun, I'm guessing..... but I wonder why they didn't 'gas-port' the gun? Surely it would have been a better weapon if this was done? Maybe it's origins in WW2 had a bearing, ie mass produced 'good enough' weapons vs a few very finely engineered guns......?
I know the 'Swedisk K' is held in high regard, I just wonder if a 'gun-nut' ever tried to make it better?
@@conmcgrath7502 You're ment to shoot bursts, not empty the mag in one sweep. Then the climb doesn't matter much.
@Con McGrath No, not really... It may "fall" since the bolt is heavy when it hits the cartridge, but there is another video that was published just a week ago on youtube showing this
@@conmcgrath7502 the climb only happened if full mag in full auto but with training single, 3 burst shots were possible and more acurate
Holy shit it's finally happening! As I have been waiting for this gun! :D
Torbjörn Hagenstam me too!
One thing you missed Ian, but apparently it was (and still is) very popular among those who have operated these, including some of our own guys who ran the S&W manufactured version in Vietnam as Special Forces operators from the various branches, to increase the rate of fire on the gun by installing a D cell battery behind the recoil spring, as a sort of recoil buffer that stops the bolt short, allowing it to increase the rate of fire significantly, while still being extremely controllable. I'm sure if you wanted to make it even nicer, you could replace the D-cell with a rubberized buffer like in an AR-15 pattern rifle, and achieve a more enjoyable result, though I don't have access to one of these on which to test it.
I am so glad the Swedes decided to take it upon themselves to unfuck the sten and paint it green. Hats off to you lads.
good idea with sweden being 57% forest with mainly pine :)
Harley McNew still our military weapons are painted green. 70 percent of our country is woods with a lot of spruce in that exact colour . In the military service we were told not to leave the AK 5 more then 1,5 meters from us but sometimes the rifle was hard to find. :) BTW.! If you put a D battery behind the spring the rate of fire will.....don’t do it.
The sten have nothing to do with this.
@@fridolfmane1063 the Swedish K was literally reverse engineered from surplus Stens purchased from the British.
@@harleymcnew2450 Show me the source for these claims
"Kulsprutepistol" basically means "Bullet spraying pistol".
Ian doing a deep Futurama reference makes my entire weekend.
Fun fact, this is the gun Joker used in the famous “Hit me” scene in the Dark Knight. A faster cyclic rate was dubbed over the sound of Joker firing it.
Just plug in a d-cell battery nearest the end cap and it has that usi sound.when the last shell lev the gun the first one hit the ground ..
I shot one of these some time ago. I was surprised at how gentle/smooth it fired.
This whole video is definitely "said in port" ;)
nice
Bravo! It took me a little while to catch the wit, but damn that's good.
Ian _would_ be excited about a "port side" gun because he doesn't like to shoot from starboard
I'm groaning internally, but also tipping my hat at you.
ive been waiting for this video for years, and its finally here!
With the Swedish service ammo it would go through a kevlar helmet at 200 meters. But it was considered notoriously inaccurate, as in the recommended engagement range is 10 meters, or about 33 feet.
i always assumed swedish K came from it being called K-Pist in swedish. (shortening of kulsprutepistol)
Det svenska namnet på den är: Kulsprutepistol 45 Bertil
This is my weapon of choice for the apocalypse
I bet the grips were designed around heavy winter mittens. A small hand grip would be awkward. Look at the size of the trigger guard.
I have a cousin that had the Swedish K with the original removable mag well to take the 71 round drum. It was an amazing sub gun. I loved it.
Hmm tfw Garand Thumb just did a video about this a few days ago...
ian and Mike are a nice compination of history background and mechanics from ian and shooting experiance from garand thumb so its nice!
It would be awesome if the next time Garand Thumb said "I'm not Ian from Forgotten Weapons..." Ian walked in and said "But I am" and shoved him out of the way to give a quick history of the gun.
@@bigghoss762 Maybe some collab with GThumb whenever he covers an old gun.
My gun at my time in the Swedish Air Force. It’s fully automatic, but very controllable. We learned to always shoot double rounds. Is also much more accurate than you may think. A very realiable gun that never will jam.
Thanks for the vid. Very nice to see and learn about the history of the K-pist.
Won't jam - unless you get a case bounce back from the case catcher adapter/bag, BTDT, got no t-shirt (but that won't be in use in a "live" situation)
By far the greatest sidearm choice for PayDay 2 Heists. Especially duel wielded. It did what the MP40 did right.
Great gun! Glad to see you make a video about the M45 Bertil :) I can share some additional facts; I served in the swedish Navy until 2001 were this K-pist (Short for kulsprutepistol) was still the service weapon for ship crews and base guards. The navy version was black and had the same endcap as the Port Said but our magwells were pinned in place. As for the M45C aka the bayonet version was just a (green) replacement barrel shroud that was put onto a standard M45B when needed, also our bayonets were almost half the size of the sword pictured in the video but same model. Not saying anything was wrong in the video just sharing my experience from 2001. I believe the Navy finally replaced the M45B in like 2002-05 with the AK5C.
Really been looking forward to this video for a while now :-)
Now I would have loved to see Ian take the K to the range but it seems his old M76 video will have to do.
Don't give up your dream just yet, there might be a part 2 coming.
Maybe the big fat grip is sized with being able to use it when wearing thick winter gloves in mind?
No...Thick gloves would require a thinner pistol grip since the gloves take up additional space between you hand and the gun.
Very informative and entertaining videos. An absolute delight. Thanks
Thank you for showing this. Wanted you to reveiw this so badly. If you did it today it would have been on the kings
name day Carl/Karl.
10:35 Just a heads up, the Arabic numerals are the ten digits we use today "0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 , 8 and 9"
I think that is a (common) "misunderstanding",.
It is correct that they way we "number things" is using "Arabic numerals".
I believe it was the Egyptians that "invented" the "numbers" from zero to nine, and then (much later) the Indians expanded the use of the zero to our "modern interpretation".
How ever the actual "numeral symbols" can look different depending on "where You are"... To see what they actually look like when "written in Arabic " You can go here: www.lexisrex.com/Arabic-Numbers/1-20
Best regards
Kulsprutepistol in Swedish is directly translated to "bullet spraying pisol"
That is a nice gun,it was the gun i was learnd how to use when i did my service in the Sweish military.
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but the Interdynamic/Intratec KG/Tec-9 family used a simplified mechanical copy of the 36 round magazine from the Swedish K (and also Finnish SMGs). Quality of the European magazines is a bit higher, and the locking lug is of a different design, but both Swedish and Finnish made magazines can be modified to work in the Interdynamic/Intratec guns.
There is a connection here because the Interdynamic AG (a Swedish company) MP-9 SMG and the later KG-99/KG-9 pistols were designed by George Kellgren (a Swede). George Kellgren apparently did work for Husqvarna, but is also known for the Grendel series of pistols and he, of course, founded Kel-Tec.
I found that story, of loose association, interesting and thought I'd share it.