Star Trek: TNG Review - 7x9 Force of Nature | Reverse Angle
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- The space environment would like a word with the Enterprise.
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Shankar, Naren. “Force of Nature.” Star Trek: The Next Generation, created by Gene Roddenberry, Season 7, Episode 9, Paramount Television, CBS, 1993. - Krátké a kreslené filmy
16:00 Warp drive does exactly what it says in the name - it warps spacetime, compressing it in front of a ship and then expanding it behind the ship (it's actually an almost working scientific concept, google Alcubierre drive). Presumably, this has to be done continuously as you're moving through spacetime: the moment you're no longer generating a "warp bubble" around your ship, you're back to normal speeds. So simply "coasting", the way we do on modern spacecrafts, won't work.
How'd they make it through 6 seasons of TNG and not get that concept. It gets explained a lot including this episode!
Agreed, this could have been better explained. But I see where they might have been trying to go, they just didn't do a good job. Even with a rip in the space-time fabric, I can still see being able to maneuver around the tear, but trying to warp within a tear/break seems implausible.
Yeah but they use the impulse engines the same way (off = stopped) so I'm pretty sure the writers just don't think about it.
Well I'm no scientist, but couldn't light speed travel be achieved by creating a rift in space time ie an ARTIFICIAL WORMHOLE but only PORTABLE, adapted for individual ship travel? Why not because it's JUST science fiction which doesn't even exist in real life...
@@VotePaineJefferson uh, Star Trek has set a precident multiple times for artifical wormholes being ridiculously hard. The only know example of a stable one is the Bajoran Wormhole. Furthermore warping local spacetime is a hell of a lot less complex than bending it and creating corridors over very very long distances.
The whole episode should've been about Data trying to train his cat. For some reason I was really invested in that subplot.
Spot being a Romulan spy makes sense. It’s all so clear.
Funny that an episode promoting environmentalism did such a fine job of making environmentalists look like hysterical idiots fighting a hopeless cause that nobody cares about.
The warp damaging subspace idea doesn't really work since it's well established in Star Trek that there have been countless warp capable species for millions, even billions of years.
Yeah but this planet can only be reached by a narrow corridor. Normally when you go to earth you are coming in 360 different degrees.
But this planet tens of thousands of ships going on the same lane broke it down.
But they fix the warp core so it stops doing it anyways.
@@ANTIStraussian That makes no sense either as the Galaxy moves through space too. All they had to do was wait lol
Never thought about the "why ships can't just give a warp burst and coast indefinitley / why are their engines going the whole time" thing in over 30 years. HUGE point you guys made imho. :D
I was pretty hype for this episode due to the notion that everything would possibly be flipped on its head because if this new limitation. It didn't happen, of course, but it wasn't the craziest notion. Around this time, Deep Space Nine was getting started and the TNG movies and Voyager were imminent. Lots of things were in motion at the time. For example, the Maquis were divided across all three shows, so at the time it looked like they were setting up deeper lore and lasting consequences. DS9 would get a lot of this right, but "warp drive warming" wasn't part of it.
It was brought up once.
Picard: Con warp 5 to Betazed.
Laxwana Troy: oh Picard that will give us so much time together.
Picard: belay that order, make it warp 8!
Lmao, its only for emergencies picard!
finally some quality transitions on youtube. could've used a bit more tho
According to some deep lore, this was originally planned to be a season 6 episode but was scrapped. Jeri Taylor, a long-time writer for TNG admitted the episode was pretty bad and final draft was too short, so they decided to make up the efficiency and Spot subplots just to finish it off.
Also whether by mistake or intention, Spot is now canonically a female as she has kittens later in the season. No explanation given as Spot has been referred to as male multiple times over several seasons.
Explanation is Data is an idiot who doesn't know anything about cats.
Orange Tabby cats are 30:1 male.
Tbh I have called male cats female and vice versa. Grew up on a farm. Granted they were kittens most of the time and cats have noticeable balls when they are male. But still...
Forget that, the thing keeps changing colors!
I liked this episode when it came out but even then I was sure they'd never mention these rifts again. I dont mind the cat and Geordi parts cause they add little details that make the world seem lived in. Early seasons everyone seemed sterile.
FWIW the rifts (or more specifically the damage warp causes) are one of the few things that does repeatedly come up again.
It was brought up once.
Picard: Con warp 5 to Betazed.
Laxwana Troy: oh Picard that will give us so much time together.
Picard: belay that order, make it warp 8!
Lmao, its only for emergencies picard!
Season 7: The no ideas era
A lot of Star Trek (old and RNG) was about progressing new ideas. But Season 7 does seem to have a fair amount of that.
Wait for "Parallels" and "Genesis"
"Lower Decks" is a fantastic episode that went on to inspire the animated series Star Trek: Lower Decks.
@@marshallhuffer4713 No middle ground in season 7, there are 4 or 5 absolute beauties of episodes and the rest range from garbage to hot garbage.....
Generating new ideas so late in a show is already trouble enough, but the braintrust was weighed down with planning the movies, launching Voyager, and stabilizing DS9. There was probably other stuff in there like theme parks and video games. Too much was going on and it was visible from the viewer's perspective.
Nick at the end asks for details on the rift! Lol! Good review. Agree with the meaningless subplots being pointless, and the guest actors being a bit forgettable. I mean his sister died at the end and nothing? We're really going to forget that the sister died? I mean she was annoying, but still...awkward silence...and ooooooooook.
As for the cat; Why in the universe would you want to train a cat? That's the main reason you get a cat and not a dog. Cats really don't need to be trained and are much lower maintenance. We have two of them in our house and they are cute, friendly, and don't really need much attention at all.
I was hovering around a C-/D+ area. It's mostly a forgettable episode, the main plot doesn't really go anywhere, and the characters are forgotten in the end. However, this idea should have generated more interesting dialog. It was like some great unseen rift just swallowed the writer's memory and they forgot the main point of an episode was making it interesting by making the characters interesting. Instead, they fill the episode with sub-plot cat shenanigans that really don't come close to "surprised kitty". Now I have to go look at some "surprise kitty" videos because I'm so unsatisfied right now.
to the episode's credit, this issue does get touched upon again in Pegasus (it is a small gesture but you will notice it when you review it in a few weeks). Also I think the weird looking nacelles on Voyager are supposed to be a technological breakthrough in response to the issues raised here. Someone on here can verify if that is true or not, but I think I remember something along those lines about that.
Yep and also the USS Intrepid, whose engineer Geordi’s having a nerd fight with at the start, is the prototype vessel for Voyager’s class. So presumably a non-foldy Voyager sister ship existed!
It was brought up in a comedy beat
Picard: Con warp 5 to Betazed.
Laxwana Troy: oh Picard that will give us so much time together.
Picard: belay that order, make it warp 8!
Lmao, its only for emergencies picard!
"Dad, there are other wipes beside star wipe"
You are right in that is not how warp works as it is non-Newtonian. However in the first ep the saucer section was able to coast away while the stardrive escaped at warp. So they didn't follow the rules from the start
Sick transitions, bro! 🔥
Actually as per Voyager, wasn't this whole warp hurting subspace thingy just a BS way to hide the fact that they were secretly working with Omega Particles?
I don't think so. Omega particles also cause problems with subspace, but in a different way.
These subspace rifts are natural from warp travel
Cuz warp is un natural and rips sub space apart
Omega literally erases subspace if it goes Nova
That was the Lantaru sector
Fun nerdy fact: the USS Intrepid is the prototype for the class of ship the USS Voyager is one of, and because of this episode’s events it has those folds hinges on its warp nacelles. Which are absolutely not just an excuse to do a cool folding thingy, nope, not at all. All jokes aside it was also their allegory for environmental/climate issues, but I guess some proto-Voyager connections slipped in 🖖
This episode was made to explain Voyager's Variable warp nacelles
It's more the other way around.
@@user-do2ev2hr7h Yeah I was half asleep. I meant Voyager's Variable nacelles were meant to be a reference to this.
The only training a cat needs is to use a litter box. Which they kind of do right away, anyway. Climbing and scratching is just what they do, it's up to you to give them something more attractive to climb and scratch than furniture.
Great stuff. 😅♥
18:16 Note: Spot died on the way back to his home planet.
They tried to do an environmental awareness episode but forgot how bad they were at writing things meaningfully.
They forget that the technology, eg. subspace, warp drive, transporters, replicators, etc. makes no sense. It's just there to move the stories.
@@charlesvan13 You make no sense and are just here to move the comments.
This episode gets an F because it's been 30 years and still nobody is aware of the environment.
@@philipjay2099
The "science" is more ridiculous the more they try to explain it. It's just technobabble, where they randomly string scientific jargon together.
@@charlesvan13 no fucking duh.
9:54 "...floating energon bomb..."
Starscream : Oh mighty Megatron, our preparations are complete and the humans are unaware of the device!
Megatron : Excellent! When the humans go to warp their own engines will destroy them!
The thing with Geordi competing with Kaplan on the Intrepid always bugged me. The Intrepid is either the Excelsior-class ship that rescued Worf from Khitomer, and so is at least a 20 year old ship of an almost 100 year old design, or it’s the prototype of the Intrepid-class (like what Voyager is) and therefore brand new and completely different to the Enterprise. Either way makes it a bad comparison.
Plus if it’s the Intrepid-class Intrepid, then the folding nacelle thing doesn’t make sense as the ship already exists before they find out about the damage to subspace from normal warp drives in this episode!
Final stretch guys... Its been freaking hilarious and entertaining! Ive taken up the Buffy series just for more!!
Actually the communications and the warp drive share some components so that they can send faster than light “subspace” messages/Zoom calls with admirals
The crew goes surfing in the holodeck, of course . . . it sometimes gets some sand and saltwater spilled out into the hallway, but it cleans up fairly quickly...
@16:00 You two bring up some very valid points regarding _actual_ warp.
Awesome humor!
"I'm surrounded by idiots, and I'm the only one who can see the truth!"
The sister was nothing but annoying, and I wasn't sorry to see her blow herself up.
It's interesting how Captain Maxwell in the episode The Wounded had the same attitude but made a much more sympathetic character.
This is like the fourth take I've heard on this episode I like how in the Star Trek fandom everybody has a unique experience but loves the show all the same.
Why didn't they just put up speed limit signs? "Maximum Warp: 5" 🤣😉
That last transition got me. xD
2:16 Georgi ,I cannot stun my cat...lol
I still wonder how bad that rift will be in about 30-40 thousand years.
Geordi says their theory was based on unprovable assumptions that end up being proved correct. I guess they weren't so unprovable then (even if they are then completely ignored by the writers ever after)?
The engines are always running because they are constantly warping the space in front and behind the enterprise. It takes an unimaginable amount of power to do that and it requires constant energy. The enterprise does not travel in warp with momentum, it requires the warp engine to be active. That’s how it’s able to slow down and stop and control its speed.
And the bottle also helps with protection against radiation?
So many fun videos,thanks guys.
In canon, objects without active warp propulsion such as the Enterprise-D Saucer Section (Encounter at Farpoint) and Photon Torpedoes (The Motion Picture) can "coast" at warp for a time. I think Certifiably Ingame or Lore Reloaded covered this ... that's a logical "or", not an exclusive "or".
The issue doesn't get *completely* ignored. For example, the warp nacelles of the USS Voyager pivot as a way to achieve high warp without damaging subspace.
My only issue with that is that in this episode Geordi is competing Kaplan on the Intrepid. This being 2370, this must be the Intrepid-class prototype (to allow Voyager to be built and launched by next year) so how can the Intrepid’s folding nacelles be to solve the damage to subspace thing when the ship had already been built and was being flown around before this episode!?
Gotta bitch
@@mb2000 It's possible that the Intrepid already incorporated the nacelle design as a way to increase efficiency and it was able to be exploited as a means to travel at high warp without damaging subspace. Or the timing is just a plot hole.
plot hole caused by cumulative story writing
It was so weird how the Ferengi still returned as enemies so late in the series, long after that proved itself to not work. At all.
I hope you guys do other Star Trek series
And this is never brought up again.
It was in a throw away line in a later episode (I forget which one). They got an emergency message from Star Fleet Command and were given permission to exceed the warp 5 cap in order to reach their destination in time ....
11:12 you never know. It’s the future where they have an entire sex planet.
In the Star Trek world of the future, all prejudices are resolved, and different species live together in brotherhood.
Except cats.
How about some balance? Some people get along very well with cats. Can't we see some of that?
I think a D- was a bit high for this episode
You get high on Drugs. Why Nobert gave it that.
They're going to need to invent new letters for Sub Rosa.
@@BishopStars LOL I'm not even sure if I've seen that one all the way through, though I know it's the Dr Crusher f-s a ghost episode.
This episode should be spotless yet no episode is ever the case.
Could the prop department been any cheaper or lazier in sourcing something for Geordi's "precious Ming vase"?
Budget was going to DS9 sets and props as well as saving up for Voyager sets to be built after destroying Enterprise D sets.
I don't know why it is, but I've the notion that Deanna Troi is capable of ripping some seriously hot, moist, utterly robust, Kim-Kardashian-like farts. The entire compliment of the Enterprise (NCC-1701-D0) are well-acquainted with the fact that when Deanna Troi uses the space toilet, it's probably best to let the Loo air out a bit before adding their own fragrant contribution to the collection of waste that will in time, be ejected into the most sorry piece of space imaginable...
I got some Flemming in my throat
More Slide Transitions!
a warp core exploding causing the rift still doesn't prove it's a cumulative effect.
Made out of coal. He he he. And the whistle during the presentation. Good times. Good review.
You guys are too damn funny
I quit! Spacing cats is where I draw the line!
Ok i want an edit of data for 5 mins and constant transitions
I haaaaate this episode
Season 7 only has four good episodes, three if you go by the original run. This was not one of them. While this episode wasn't disowned like an infamous Voyager one, the main plot, although referenced in the future, will be predictably swiftly forgotten and cast aside.
Are we talking about a certain episode with warp 10 space lizards?
The show started to run out of gas in the 7th season.
This episode was lame. The technology is a plot device. If they couldn't travel quickly the show would be boring. This episode creates a problem with that device. But then the show forgets about it, because this episode was a bad idea to begin with.
That could have been the whole point all along. Lol.
funny how if you hover over the thumbnail, it changes to the thumbnail for booby trap, like a secret review inside another review
I don’t know what they were thinking. Terrible idea.
Have you wrote something better?
05:25
the alien makeup
looks horrible
I wonder if you didn't understand the point of this episode or you don't want to reveal it... I find this is the vast majority of reviewers. which is it?
12:48 It has been hinted many times that Earth has its own weather control system so not really that far fetched in that future.
in 10 years the subspace levels will rise because of galactic warping!
same BS, different millennium
lol.
So would Trans Warp would be better for the universe? No way I'm saying otherwise.. Might get canceled.
Maybe. But much worse: not supporting trans warp technology would make starfleet transphob and immediately get canceled.
mAh FrEe SpEeCh!
Poor snowflakes. Screw your freedoms.
Can't take a little joke? Jeez...
Btw I don't give a dime about u.s. free speech. I just find you guys hilarious and quite entertaining. From the outside it's fun to watch americans ruin their own country. Keep up the good work, leftoids! 😂
Trans Warp Matter
They warp. Bigot.
9:30 exactly what humanity is gonna tell themselves with climate change.
They can surf on the holodeck.....