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Komentáře • 72

  • @LostMercenary99
    @LostMercenary99 Před 5 lety +19

    The moment when Daynar "broke out" of the transporter beam had me scream out "TOTAL BULLSHIT" when I first saw it.

  • @athrunzala6919
    @athrunzala6919 Před 5 lety +8

    No wonder Chief O'Brien had shoulder problems in DS9, that's where the phaser hit him. But he took that stun setting like a champ not even being knocked out himself, just fuzzy and able to return fire after a minute. Go Chief!
    "My name is Miles Edward O'Brien, I am alive and I will stay alive."

  • @TinockaTube
    @TinockaTube Před 3 lety +5

    The episode actually explains why they don't kill them, in one line. They might need them again.

  • @robertpratt101
    @robertpratt101 Před 5 lety +6

    I've paused it at 7:56, right after you've asked "Why don't they just kill the prisoners."
    Reason 1, from a line on the show: Being kept in case of a future military need.
    Reason 2, from my head canon: While it'd be one (legally and ethically dubious) thing to liquidate "enemy combatants" at a Gitmo type prison, it'd be a far more legally and ethically dubious thing to do this to your own soldiers.
    Reason 2a: It might affect some parliamentarians' chances at re-election, if it ever got out that the altered soldiers were eliminated. The voters can live with them being out of sight,out of mind, but would vote against the parliament that authorized their extermination.

    • @DrownedInExile
      @DrownedInExile Před 4 lety

      Reason 4: sunk-cost fallacy. The Angosians spent all these resources to keep their wizard-soldiers comfortable. What's the point if they all get killed?

  • @darkhorse13golfgaming
    @darkhorse13golfgaming Před 4 lety +5

    Maybe it's because I'm a vet but this episode really resonated with me and just might be my favorite TNG episode.

  • @keitht24
    @keitht24 Před 5 lety +10

    The administrator specifically said, they may need them in a future conflict. That's why they didn't just kill them. How did you miss this?

  • @arctodussimus6198
    @arctodussimus6198 Před 3 lety +3

    My absolute favorite episode.
    I think too many people overthink these shows.
    I get upset when I see an old west movie that includes something that hadn’t been invented yet, but I somehow have no problems with futuristic shows.

  • @TheMarcHicks
    @TheMarcHicks Před 5 lety +2

    Worf's defeat here is even more ridiculous when you consider his prowess during "By Inferno's Light".

  • @Norvo82
    @Norvo82 Před 5 lety +6

    Interesting points about the Federation's lax recruitment policy in times of crisis. Star Trek: Insurrection is set during the Dominion war and also opens with the Federation officially making a newly warp capable species a protectorate while also playing nice with the less than reputable Son'a. Inter arma enim silent leges indeed :-)

  • @crazynorse4036
    @crazynorse4036 Před 5 lety +5

    I should mentioned i haven't seen the episode in years ;)
    1. But wasn't it even mentioned in the episode itself, that a reason they kept the soldiers alive was as a reserve/backup in case they needed them again?
    2 .Btw the distancing from the tools of war part, hits hard if you look at a lot of politicians and corporations TODAY(and that is not even considering drones)............
    Ps. Why did the federation want this civ to join? Well...... they must be seriously advanced with some types of technology considering the super soldiers :)

  • @najex1
    @najex1 Před 2 lety +1

    Please, please don't take this in a negative way. But your incredulity at the space wizard's achievement was incredibly funny xD
    As for me, I was more forgiven of our space wizard. . . since I was rooting for him. The episode successfully convinced me that he was 'the good guy' above even the crew of the enterprise. So I was willing to swallow any and all excuses for him to keep going.
    I was really surprised you didn't talk about Danar (the space wizard) uttering one of your most used sayings. 'Survival is insufficient'. When I heard him say those words at the end, I immediately thought of you.

  • @worldsbestpantz3445
    @worldsbestpantz3445 Před 5 lety +2

    Posting this comment before you go into your rumination per your request, Lore:
    I literally just rewatched this episode and I really enjoyed it. For the most part, I see it as a fun “escape from the Enterprise” episode, and I thoroughly enjoy those. Including “The Game” where Wes tries to elude the brainwashed crew. I get a lot of crap for enjoying that episode, but I also don’t care. It’s fun, dammit.
    “The Hunted” also is an allegory for how war veterans are treated (particularly in the US), and that speaks to me, knowing several veterans personally. It’s harder to talk about that, and I don’t really have the words right now, but suffice it to say, I think it was a good message, if a little preachy. I’m gonna watch the rest of the rumination now and possibly chime in again if I have further thoughts.

    • @worldsbestpantz3445
      @worldsbestpantz3445 Před 5 lety

      Pausing once again to answer your next question, “Why don’t they just kill the prisoners?”
      Out of universe explanation is obvious: because then there wouldn’t be a plot. The in-universe explanation is one that you’ve already answered and I imagine once I unpause the video you’ll likely say again. It’s because these people are so self-righteous that they truly believe they are enlightened and superior and “aren’t we so merciful and good for letting them live”. It also furthers the allegory of the war veterans thing because we don’t kill our own veterans, however unstable they might be, but we’ll sure as hell throw them in prison if they can’t function properly in a civilian setting.

    • @worldsbestpantz3445
      @worldsbestpantz3445 Před 5 lety

      Finished the rumination.
      I guess it’s easy for me to forgive plot holes for the sake of entertainment, and I still find this episode very entertaining. You have some legitimate grievances, but that sort of thing doesn’t bother me as much.
      Star Trek is one of my favorite things... ever. I’ve seen every episode of every series multiple times with the exception of Discovery, which I haven’t watched at all because Star Trek for me died at the hands of hack-fraud Rick Berman in the early 2000’s and I am not at all a fan of Abrams “Trek”. But suffice it to say, I’m loving watching these episodes again and viewing your ruminations immediately afterwords so it’s fresh in my mind. I don’t agree with you on every point, but I’m always interested to hear what you have to say, particularly about the behind-the-scenes stuff and things you notice in the storytelling that I may have missed.
      You usually surprise me with your take on any given episode, and that makes it all the more fascinating to me. Great stuff.
      I watch every single Star Trek rumination you do (I’m pretty behind on DS9 right now, but I’ll catch up). I don’t always comment, but I’m particularly chatty tonight. Just wanted you to know you have a loyal viewer and I’m looking forward to more!

  • @williamozier918
    @williamozier918 Před 5 lety +3

    6:10. You bring up a good point. One of the things I am really enjoying about watching your Ruminations on TNG is it is greatly helping my head cannon see an actually tight and good story for TNG. Your point at the time code was that the Federation is not incompotent, they are desperate. If you keep the hated episode "Conspiracy" in mind then that makes more than perfect sense. Remember the parasites gutted Star Fleet of compotent people, and then moved Star Fleet around for their own agenda. In the aftermath of that, the Borg, AND the Cardassian War was simmering down but still volatile. And due to the Conspiracy all of this is being handled by the people who we know were NOT Star Fleets best and brightest, the best and brightest were all killed off. So Nachayev, and such are all the second rate Admirals who actually didn't deserve their positions, but now have to deal with all of this.

    • @williamozier918
      @williamozier918 Před 5 lety +1

      My head cannon sees all these side wars we are hearing about being an effect of the Cardassian war, as was manipulated by the Parasites. Now that the Paraites are gone we see the Enterprise running around and (desperately) making nice to secure the border.

  • @tubeviewerX20
    @tubeviewerX20 Před 5 lety +2

    “So anyways he takes out all of Engineering...” LOL
    But seriously I like all parts of this episode, despite the stupid moments. It raises moral issues, gives us an interesting character and two fun chase sequences.

  • @techno9991
    @techno9991 Před 5 lety +2

    feels like a season 1 episode with the directing style of the fighting/action scenes feeling like TOS

  • @lanebowles8170
    @lanebowles8170 Před 4 lety +1

    First things first, I loved this episode when I first watched it and every time since. Over the years, I have come to see its weaknesses, which you have described in detail. However, most of these problems have less to do with the story itself and more to due with the execution of the episode and the restrictions that a weekly show faces.
    You make a good point about why the Angosians didn't kill their soldiers, but I think you are forgetting something. The Tarsian War, we are given so little data about that conflict, but what we are given is that it was bad and the Angosians' recovery from the war was remarkable. You do talk about this a little, but only in regards to why the Angosians might want to join the Federation, which I think is valid. However, if the war was so bad, especially for a people unused to conflict, wouldn't keeping your experienced supersoldiers around in case they were needed again a practical option, particularly if you were relying on their patriotism to keep them from leaving their colony on average for a time. This is stated in the dialogue, though as a throwaway line, but it would make some sense if the Angosians are essentially alone in the galaxy and until they are apart of a larger organization, like the Federation, they are vulnerable so keeping these soldiers is their best insurance of safety with the least amount of effort.
    As for certain elements of the episode, like having no lifesigns, escaping a beaming procedure, the ability to resist anesthizine gas, his ability to sabotage/hack the Enterprise and maneuver within it, taking out everyone in engineering, and beating up Worf can be explained away with a little effort.
    First of all we need to figure out what kind of war the Tarsian War probably was and how the Angosians chose/were able to fight it. The fact that we see no major space infrastructure around Angosia III heavily implies that this was not a war of space battles, at lease not for the Angosians. So what kind of war was it to the Angosians? Looking at what Roga Danar was able to do and how he fought (even taking into account that he was perhaps the best of his comrades) the best solution is that the Angosians were fighting a guerilla war, one in which the infiltration and sabotage of starships was a regular operation.
    Roga Danar (and we can assume his comrades likewise) has been heavily modified and enhanced for this type of war. This explains why he would be made undetectable by (normal) lifesigns detection scans, have the ability to break and co opt an unwanted transporter operation, and remain unaffected in a room full of anesthizine gas. If he and his comrades were going to infiltrate an enemy ship, these would be among the defenses that they would encounter and thus their modifications should counteract them. The fact that Roga Danar's lifesigns are not detectable is not really an issue given the level and nature of the modifications he is implied to have. I will agree that Roga Danar "resisting" the transporter was over the top and ridicules, but I have no problem with the Angosians installing special devices in their soldiers that could detect and co opt a transporter operation in the soldier's favor. Now such a device should a one-time use thing with a high risk of death or injury to keep it from becoming too powerful, and so Roga Danar using it and being able to continue his mission was a nod to luck playing a part in all military operations. As for anesthizine gas and similar substances, again with the Angosian soldiers already being heavily modified is it really beyond reasonable that some of the modifications were a chemical/gene treatment or device installed that could provide resistance to such a gas? No, not really. Now you may say that if these devices were indeed installed, couldn't they have been removed or at least deactivated? Removed, not likely if the Tarsian War was as recent as implied and the soldiers were to remain in some state of readiness, besides the Angosians may want to make such devices as hard to remove as possible to prevent some form of counter. As for being deactivated, I think you are forgetting that those soldiers have been on that moon for at least a few years. As smart as they are implied to be, surely they could have figured out how to reactivate them if only on the one they intend to escape. That might be a stretch, but, in my opinion, not too much.
    Now to Roga Danar's ability to magically hack the Enterprise's systems. This really isn't magic if he had been trained specifically for this type of work and had received considerable instruction in the function of starship systems and how to appropriate them. It is usually easier to break or modify systems than it is to build and repair them. If the enemy he was fighting in the Tarsian War used similar systems to that of the Federation or maybe the schematics of Federation systems were available for study at his penal colony, (not too unlikely if the Angosian were seriously considering joining the Federation, they wanted their soldiers to be ready for any number of situations, and/or the soldiers were bored), then it isn't magic at all. All Roga Danar would have needed with his experience and intelligence was a glancing refresher to puzzle out the systems enough to achieve his goals. And remember, none of the systems he hacked could be considered particularly sensitive save the external sensors which he might have been taking an educated guess at (and that this is weekly show with limited time to work out the story). Again I emphasize, from what we learn about Roga Danar in the episode implies (at least to me) this is exactly the kind of warfare that he was trained for and experienced at, unlike the Enterprise's crew.
    As for the Roga Danar's ability to take out main engineering's personnel so quickly, this episode has told us repeatably that Roga Danar is a trained soldier, with a number of physical and mental enhancements, and has experienced actual war. He is very good at what he does, if not the best. The engineering crew, like all starfleet officers, are probably trained to some level of self-defense, but are not veteran soldiers, much less enhanced ones. I will grant that Roga Danar took them out too quickly in the show to be realistic, a more likely portrayal would have Riker contact main engineering only to hear sounds of the attack and the engineers being overpowered. However, I always saw the portrayal we got as an artistic choice to emphasize Roga Danar's competence at this particular line of work within the limitations of the show.
    Then there is Worf's defeat. You claim that Worf should be able to crush Roga Danar. Based on what? That Worf is a Klingon? Roga Danar is freaking enhanced, specifically to fight a war. Worf is not! Roga Danar stated that he has killed over eighty times, how many times do you think Worf has killed at this point in his career? Not many I would imagine, and Worf has never seen war at this point either. Oh, he has participated in the occasional skirmish or security brawl, but not war itself. Worf is, in essence, a martial arts and gun enthusiast in excellent physical condition while Roga Danar is more akin to a veteran Navy Seal (mild hyperbole I know but it demonstrates my point). Your problem is that you are confusing and romanticizing Worf as the warrior he becomes at the end of DS9 instead of understanding who he is now! A very good, but inexperienced security chief, not a veteran soldier like Roga Danar. The fact that Worf lasted as long as he did speaks well of how good he was at this point in his career. Please don't make that mistake again, it doesn't become you.
    So in short, Roga Danar can do what he does in the episode on a moderately realistic scope because once he was loose on the Enterprise, he was in his element. He was doing what he was specifically trained for and practiced at, unlike the Enterprise crew. They on the other hand are just coming out of a golden era of peace and are not used to this kind of conflict with so competent a foe.
    This episode reminded me of the Cobra Series by Timothy Zahn, which explores many of the same themes (albeit much more flush out and with a different outcome).

  • @quicksilvertongue3248
    @quicksilvertongue3248 Před 2 lety

    Turns out, Roga Daynar is actually Roga *Dehner*, half-alien great grandson of Dr. Dehner from Where No Man Has Gone Before. So he "just wins" because he has Esper powers.

  • @gallendugall8913
    @gallendugall8913 Před 5 lety +11

    Actually yes it does make a lot of sense that this episode would be TOS inspired since it has the balls to critique the vacuous virtue signalling involved with the treatment of veterans. There's the public side where we all honor and respect their service. No one wants to publicly admit that service people are just cannon fodder, but that's the public mentality involved in their treatment. Reality is that the VA in the US is used as a slush fund by both parties while vets routinely die while waiting for basic care. Every once in a while people make very public noises about fixing the system, more money is pumped into the VA, and then it immediately goes back to being a slush fund. The public doesn't care.
    So it doesn't surprise me at all that these people wouldn't just execute their vets - just move them out of sight and out of mind while waiting for them to die.

    • @gallendugall8913
      @gallendugall8913 Před 5 lety +1

      Important to note - you young people probably don't remember this - but at the time it was a big scandal when it was revealed that one in eight homeless people were vets. Pretty obviously what this is calling out to.

    • @Jose_Hunters_EWF_Remixes
      @Jose_Hunters_EWF_Remixes Před 5 lety

      @@EveryDooDarnDiddlyDay Nah man, we need to pander to gamer-boiz and (their ideological cellmates) the alt-right, where the right to be offensive and obnoxious are defended, and we are free to protect the righteous corporations, who are merely trying to make our boring air and water more flavorful, and who have demonstrated their humanitarian beneficence by actually paying a salary to those lazy dark people.

    • @saphojuiced6243
      @saphojuiced6243 Před 2 lety

      @@Jose_Hunters_EWF_Remixes What this have to do with anything? Replying a deleted comment? Either way, you are glaringly ignorant of what you're talking about.
      The right of free speech is all about safeguarding the expression of unpopular opinions. And speaking freely is necessary for independent thought, long term and at a societal level.
      As for defending corporations... in what world? Are you conflating advocating for a free market to be pro-corporations such as we know them? As disingenuous as that is, it's still not as dumb as accusing free speech advocates of siding with corporations who routinely and increasingly promote censorship as well as other leftist policies. Hell, you even denounce them as alt right. Are corporations usually alt right in your world? I ask that because you really must be from another timeline.

  • @SillyIdea
    @SillyIdea Před 3 lety

    I don't feel comfortable remembering the Vietnam War references, so I'll keep it quick. The most characteristic quote of the aliens and their culture: "We aren't prepared to deal with this, that's why we made them."

  • @DarthRagnarok343
    @DarthRagnarok343 Před 5 lety +2

    This episode could be taken as allegory for what is/will happen to the Federation in the coming years. A big scary enemy will push the federation to the edge and how will they respond? How will the coming war affect the federation, what will they be willing to do, will they betray their ideals?

  • @EnvisionerWill
    @EnvisionerWill Před 5 lety +2

    I thought this episode was a Vietnam-type metaphor. I posted that before you said it in the video, and I'm a little confused about your objections.

  • @DrownedInExile
    @DrownedInExile Před 4 lety +1

    "Why don't they just kill the super-duper-wizard-soliders?"
    Sunk-cost fallacy. I imagine right after the war, killing them would be a PR nightmare. And after spending so much resources to keep them comfortably isolated, killing them would be a waste. Government logic.
    Also, Danar vs the Jem'Hadar. Place your bets.

  • @corssecurity
    @corssecurity Před 2 lety

    Those soldiers might be useful against the Borg.
    They'd last longer than most Starfleet officers. Maybe an hour possibly? But cloning them, augments. Drop them on a cube.

  • @mygaffer
    @mygaffer Před 5 lety +1

    I really enjoyed this episode.

  • @SchneeflockeMonsoon
    @SchneeflockeMonsoon Před rokem

    They answered in the episode that “we might need them again.” But I think that was a half truth. If they can make them once, they could make them again. I think they’re a culling tool. Next time they need super soldiers, they’ll throw them to the Lunar V colony and let them trim down each other’s numbers a bit. Whoever’s left will be able to cut down the next group.

  • @bp6614
    @bp6614 Před 5 lety

    One of my honorable mention episodes for the fight and chase scenes alone.

  • @bobwill
    @bobwill Před 5 lety +1

    At one point, when they’re hunting him through the ship, after he breaks out of the transporter beam, there is a starfleet officer that Danar sneaks up on, who is standing directly in front of a forcefield; facing the forcefield.
    There is literally 1 direction he can be attacked from, and he is choosing to not look in that direction. He is essentially staring into a corner, while on guard duty.
    But, I would say that the psychological problems being caused by the angosians, is actually a good parable to our modern military.
    The US Military actually hired a set of psychologists to help them change their training regimes due to the reluctance of people to kill others.
    Granted this is from Wikipedia; but,
    “This resistance to killing has caused infantry to be remarkably inefficient throughout the history of military warfare.[75]
    This phenomenon was not understood until S.L.A. Marshall (Brigadier General and military historian) undertook interview studies of WWII infantry immediately following combat engagement. Marshall's well-known and controversial book, Men Against Fire, revealed that only 15% of soldiers fired their rifles with the purpose of killing in combat.[76] Following acceptance of Marshall's research by the US Army in 1946, the Human Resources Research Office of the US Army began implementing new training protocols which resemble operant conditioning methods. Subsequent applications of such methods increased the percentage of soldiers able to kill to around 50% in Korea and over 90% in Vietnam.”

  • @thexalon
    @thexalon Před 5 lety

    A Worf moment worth mentioning: Right after the "super-soldier" gets out of the transporter room, Riker and Worf are able to subdue him, with Worf doing the bulk of the work. That's right: Worf actually wins a fight. Write that down, because it's far too rare.
    The level of magic knowledge this guy appears to have, demonstrated perfectly: He (without ever being on a Federation ship before and having no idea how anything works) somehow knows exactly where all the Jeffries tubes on the Enterprise go, while Geordi LaForge (who has probably been in every single Jeffries tube on the Enterprise many times) doesn't.
    This could have been a good episode. They were clearly going for "Veteran's Administration hospital IN SPACE!" But they neither truly understood what veterans have gone through, nor the setting of Star Trek, and that proved to be its undoing.

  • @clearmountain28
    @clearmountain28 Před 5 lety

    I honestly think the title of this episode should have been 'Prisoner of War'. It would have added a little level to the PTSD angle this episode was trying to talk about.

    • @clearmountain28
      @clearmountain28 Před 5 lety

      Oh and as for Danar taking out engineering so quick, I am pretty sure Sutur on Voyager took out all the Kazon in engineering in less then 12 seconds without super genes. Just saying.
      Though I agree that the whole escape is badly written.

  • @AngemonOfLight
    @AngemonOfLight Před 2 lety

    This episode makes more sense if you think of Daynar as a toned down Warhammer 40K Space Marine.
    Astartes shows what happens when a magical genetically modified supermen runs around the ship.

  • @KertaDrake
    @KertaDrake Před 2 lety

    I would love to know if "Star Trek Genetic Engineering" could provide resistance to a phaser set to disintegrate. Knowing the writers, the answer is probably yes, even though that makes zero sense. Resisting stun and kill could both probably be done. Stun seems to be overcome by adrenaline a lot of the time and kill seems to vary depending on the location of the hit and poorly-written drama. Disintegrate seems like something resistant to it would have to be a matter of a person having extremely dense skin or something, and not in a "It's somewhat thick" way, but in a "I have a metallic exoskeleton" way. Resisting disintegration would probably be even worse than dying because it would probably just evaporate large chunks of your body!

  • @EnvisionerWill
    @EnvisionerWill Před 5 lety

    Very surprised when you went crude here. Did not expect that.

  • @damastamindz
    @damastamindz Před 3 lety

    I imagine they don't kill them because the Angosian's are not killers, the prisoners are the Angosian killers. And that other guy at the climax (the guy who isn't prime minister) says they might need to 'use' them again. Maybe the public reason was to lock them up for the prisoners safety, but I imagine secretly they wanted to keep them around in case another war, or other dirty work.

  • @resurrectedstarships
    @resurrectedstarships Před 5 lety +1

    12 seconds to take out all of engineering really isnt such a stretch - say two security - 2 to 5 seconds, and 7 seconds to shoot, stun, or judo chop each unarmed engineering tech - 1 second per person, we never see more than 5 people in main engineering at a time - yeh its doable. You don't play many first person shooters do ya? :P I am endlessly amused that you timed this! *hugs*

    • @Jose_Hunters_EWF_Remixes
      @Jose_Hunters_EWF_Remixes Před 5 lety

      Resurrected Starships No hugging on the host! He is well known to be a warm, gregarious person, but does not like to be touched.
      OK, it was a joke, admittedly a mediocre joke, but I already pressed the "reply" button, so I guess we're stuck with it

  • @mr51406
    @mr51406 Před rokem

    Planet of the wedgie jumpsuits! 😜 Alternative titles: “The Evil Okona.” Danar is Mary Sue Rambo. The décor of the planet is SO 1980’s bad interior design…
    As usual, Trek uses allegory to frame a message (how Vietnam vets were treated). But instead of illustrating it directly (“Far Beyond…”), the allegory smothers the message, and then hits you over the head with it at the end.
    The Jeffies tubes would get a LOT smaller hereafter. Danar (and Okona) would be properly joked about on Lower Decks.

  • @adambowman8543
    @adambowman8543 Před 5 lety +2

    I always get this episode confused with The Wounded

  • @AdamCollings
    @AdamCollings Před 5 lety

    I watched this a few days ago. I didn't remember it. It struck me as an average TNG episode. It dealt with an important and thought-provoking topic. It possibly could have been implemented better. The transported beam thing was weird. And the tall jefferies tube was an odd set. My response was "are we still on the Enterprise. That doesn't look like the ship. It doesn't even look like Starfleet style."

  • @nickokona6849
    @nickokona6849 Před 2 lety

    I watched this episode 2 days ago.
    This episode for me goes in a tier with episodes like The Vengeance Factor. It's al alright episode that I genuinely enjoy. Yeah, there are things about it that are meh. There are some legit questions that never get addressed, let alone answered (How did Roga Danar know ANYTHING at all about the design of the USS Enterprise? Why are Starfleet security always so god awful? etc). But I like the overall message. I like James Cronwell as Nayrok. I like Jeff McCarthy as Roga Danar. I like how there is even the slightest thought into strategy that isn't so boringly obvious. It's not often that Trek does anything that I would consider as legit strategy.
    I also really like that the supposed bad guy of the episode isn't exactly the bad guy.
    I don't really like how it continues the trend of Worf being defeated as a way to show the audience that this guy is "dangerous". It's too much like the "O'Brien must suffer" trope. Though, the buildup to it, with Worf correctly deducing Danar's next move instead of being a straight up idiot was good I think. Just didn't love the execution of it.
    PAUSING TO ANSWER 7:57. They didn't just kill the soldier/prisoners because, as it was stated outright by Nayrok's advisor (?) that the soldier/prisoners were a valuable resource that they might have need of in the future. They also stated outright that a democratic referendum decided the solution. I'm perfectly fine in believing both points to be honest. Pragmatism can often outweigh moral dilemma's, and the Angosians are portrayed as at least partly pragmatic. And democracies can often make poor or morally dubious decisions about it's own citizenry.
    The separation of ones self from the immediate consequences of actions is a good point you're making. Reminds me of A Taste of Armageddon from TOS in that regard. There's a valid point to be made here on this point.
    It's also weirdly one of the better entries of Troi in TNG I think. Her empathic powers aren't just plot devices, or more often her lack of empathic powers... She's not giving terrible psychology advice.
    I also really liked the scene with Picard and Danar exchanging gestures of mutual respect even though they are pitted as adversaries for much of the episode. It was a nice breath of subtlety in an episode that could have used so much more.
    I think the term you're looking for about Danar's programming is Dissociative Identity Disorder. Where one can break from their natural normal personality and "activate" a conditioned personality that functions more or less separately from their genuine personality. It's an extreme example of general training. It's exactly what professionals in dangerous occupations are trained to do. Turn off your normal fear response and set a task/goal and use your expertise to resolve the situation. But I agree that it would have been better if they'd brought up the role PTSD from the war had played into the extremity of their.. conditioning, rather than having it being presented entirely as a lab created thing prior to their experience of war.

  • @EnvisionerWill
    @EnvisionerWill Před 5 lety +1

    Who is this Makarov you keep referencing?

    • @ShadowStoryteller
      @ShadowStoryteller Před 5 lety +1

      Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 and 3. Remembered famously for "Remember...No Russian..."

  • @kelleighohara83
    @kelleighohara83 Před 2 lety

    I feel like the Kurt Russell movie Soldier does this idea better.

  • @JasonCliftJones
    @JasonCliftJones Před 5 lety

    0:32 - Before delving too far into your thoughts... Forgettable enough I had to look up which one it was, saw Roga Danar and groaned.
    Prob last saw it on a series rewatch a couple of years ago. Not one I tend to pick out.

    • @JasonCliftJones
      @JasonCliftJones Před 5 lety

      Should add, when I think of Danar, this episode tends to blur with The Outrageous Okona in my mind. Which is another ugh...

  • @quasimodojdls
    @quasimodojdls Před 5 lety +1

    The Jefferies Tube is a corridor in this episode for one simple reason - this is the first time we a 24th century Jefferies Tube. They probably intended for this to be the standard Jefferies Tube set going forward. We won't see one again until "Brothers", which is not only 18 episodes from now but also in the next season - i.e. they had plenty of time to redesign the set into what we're all so familiar with.
    I'm rather torn on this episode. The action scenes are enjoyable enough for what they are - space magician nonsense aside. But the ending leaves me rather unimpressed. The Angosians and Danar's men are in a stand-off, one which Danar's group will EASILY win, and Picard's reaction is to just wash his hands and piss off? Given that the episode makes a HUGE deal out of the fact that washing your hands of unpleasant things is wrong, I find that a little odd. But I guess it's better to let "negotiations" go on under threat of violence as long as it doesn't effect you, am I right? And let's be clear, this isn't a negotiation. The only way this stand-off will end without bloodshed is a complete capitulation by the Angosian government to all of Danar's demands. And the Enterprise crew just laughs it off and warps off to a new adventure?
    Couldn't we just have gotten more action scenes?
    5/10

    • @JasonCliftJones
      @JasonCliftJones Před 5 lety

      ...plus this Jefferies Tube was probably already a standing set, given it looks like a redress of the corridor where Scotty hits his head in Star Trek V (which came out about 6 months earlier)

  • @TheRealityJack
    @TheRealityJack Před 5 lety +1

    Before watching the video: I have seen this episode a couple years ago probably, but I've seen it a few times. I remember it being very average, not mindblowing but also not eyeroll-inducingly bad.

  • @resurrectedstarships
    @resurrectedstarships Před 5 lety

    Answers question before being contaminated by your review: I thought it was a pretty good episode - it showcased the security abilities of the enterprise and did some neat things tactically. Counselor troi's infatuation was nice. The only weird part was how he 'resisted' the transporter. Other than that I thought it was a good classic trek episode. Its been maybe a year since I've seen it, but have seen it 3 or 4 times. *unpauses video*

  • @Threesixtyci
    @Threesixtyci Před 2 lety +1

    Umm... and yet we have people with life sentences who for whatever reason did not get the death penalty... that we pay taxes for, for the rest of their lives. now... ask ur question again.

  • @nathanschultz5538
    @nathanschultz5538 Před 5 lety

    Rose water and Chicken McNuggets I'm guessing for Mr. Cromwell`s farts

  • @enlightedjedi
    @enlightedjedi Před 5 lety

    You have said during 2 of the previous 2 episodes (a few weeks past) that are among your favorites. This is among mine. Why? Consequences!... They should always be considered. Now, to the rumination...

  • @harpercole5321
    @harpercole5321 Před 5 lety +2

    I can accept the first part of the episode, just about, though I'd expect Picard and Riker to catch on to his misdirection tactics long before Data. The various little twists made for a fun watch. Then there's the middle section, which is indeed pretty nice. The final bit, though? Yes, that's aggravating. Danar is not the star of this show, and watching him run rings round our heroes is hardly enjoyable. Something of a Mary Sue character, I'm afraid.

  • @paulscott2037
    @paulscott2037 Před 5 lety +1

    This is a very average episode. Last saw it about 4 months ago. But it's worth it in my mind for the chase scene and the interplay between the soldier and troi and the other characters is nice.

  • @rexremedy1733
    @rexremedy1733 Před 5 lety

    This episode belongs into season one...

  • @sg586
    @sg586 Před 5 lety

    I watched this within the last few years.
    I always rembered it being a bit boring. And I always remember the prisoner escaping the transporter beam by the power of dance.
    I always wondered after watching civil defence from DS9 why the federation internal security is so rubbish. Surely they would have automatic defences that would stop someone moving round like this

  • @nathanschultz5538
    @nathanschultz5538 Před 5 lety +1

    To answer the serious question; if you want to hold the moral high ground, you can't just kill them. This bothers me on Earth too. Though we declare "it's wrong to kill" many people immediately jump to killing the killer. Never made any sense to me.

  • @jws2899
    @jws2899 Před 5 lety

    Hmmm

  • @yappity
    @yappity Před rokem

    ... Is Angosia a male-only planet? If ound that rather off-putting too, and no review seems to mention it.

  • @uzzab6937
    @uzzab6937 Před 3 lety

    Wannabe Jason Bourne episode before the Bourne series

  • @Spartanj42
    @Spartanj42 Před 5 lety

    Boring and bland, but inoffensive.