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About point 8: When I was very young, my mother purchased the deck plans for the TOS Enterprise for me when I was sick. There was a little booklet included that explained a lot of things. The carpeting doubled as a traction surface (think Velcro), in case there was a loss of gravity on the ship. The story is that they never used it that way (even in the movies where they resorted to magnetic boots), because of the possible conflict with MGM's 2001: A Space Odyssey.
In the old technical/engineering manuals, those blue domes were not called "warp field governors", but *impulse deflection crystals*.
Kirk certainly trashed that Blue Dome on the Reliant!
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That was Sulu's great shooting...😉
I appreciate that they're going to Star Trek Online and pulling some of its best ideas into canon. The gorgeous Odyssey class and various other designs that first saw their debut there are finally getting their day in the sun. I do believe there is a defensible reason to use carpet on a starship. It provides an anti-slip surface, cushions falls, and quiets footsteps.
Right? :D It's almost like they were able to watch Disney utterly destroy Star Wars every chance they got by doing what DISNEY wants to do without giving a SHIT about their fans. Kathleen Kennedy and her group of minions ruined everything about the new Star Wars Cannon and stopped releasing ANY content that's in the old cannon except for a God awful (Gameplay wise) MMO that's only awesome for the story which is great. Paramount saw we weren't happy with everything about discovery. They LISTENED to us and gave us the best parts of discovery by Giving us SNW and taking Disco so far into the future. Now we have a much better Disco and a phenomenal Captain Pike and Spock with a phenomenal return of the original enterprise and some others like Cadet Uhura and Dr. Mbenga and Nurse Chapel an dI liked some new characters its shame about Hemmer. Really liked him maybe we can see him in the future (future for us/past for him lol) but I'm getting off track. Disney heard everything the fans asked for and consistently gave us the opposite and then blamed reasons other than the incompetency of the one in charge, Kathleen Kennedy.
Disney HEARD. Paramount LISTENED.
Also Paramount also seems to have more of a grasp on what the fans exactly like as a starting point. just look at star trek picard for example. So much perfectly done fan service with Dukat and Martok's and whoever else's skeletons in Picards office, Admiral Sisko still being around in that timeline and so much more.
I absolutely love this ship design, along with the Excelsior 2 class.
I hope we see Stargazer again, it’s a beautiful design and so detailed.
I can't speak for others but regarding Insurrection, describing it as "an episode of The Next Generation" isn't quite right. It's not trying to be "an" episode of TNG, it's trying to be EVERY episode of TNG. Too many things going on and as a result even with the extended run time, it doesn't fully mesh together. Much like Picard Season 2 really. A lot of interesting story ideas happening but they don't quite link into a single, coherent whole.
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I don't mind that the new Stargazer didn't get a letter tacked onto the registry, since the new registry itself seems to be the callback to Picard's Stargazer since that one was NCC-2893 and the new one being NCC-82893. It totally makes sense that the addition of letters is reserved for ships that have some kind of legacy behind them, and I love that the USS Voyager is one of those ships.
I also kind of like that by the era of Discovery (S03+), there are a lot more "legacy" starships out there.
It's kinda like that line in Futurama, when Leela takes Fry to a 30th century baseball (blernsball) game and explains to Fry that all the players have fractional numbers because over the last thousand years "all the whole numbers were retired."
I do really love the clean, shiny look. It looks advanced and new.
I always thought about the carpeting on the Enterprise D as an alternative to seat-belts.
Yeah, but it didn't help the poor crewman who got blasted over the weapons station in ST: Generations very much...😉
Warp field governor, wasn't the blue spheres on the TMP ships and all the other ships called the impulse deflection crystal? I had heard they carried those crystals over to the new Stargazer too as a nod to the past.
It really varies depending on the source. Some call it Impulse Crystal (Trekyards especially goes with that) - other sources call it Warp Field Governor. I'd like to hear what Doug Drexler calls it.
@@OrinThomas , schematics for years have labelled that object the impulse deflection crystal...the most important was Mr Scott's Guide To The Enterprise...so whose right? Someday someone will let us know, come on Doug.
As they're located at the top of many starship's vertical warp cores and protrude out of the hull, I've always considered them to be part of the plasma cooling/venting system.
So nice that ST really care about what fans say/complaint about and take it to heart. Harkens back to the ol' letter writing days to bring back ToS.
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I want a new series with the Enterprise F , which focuses on exploring and diplomacy again where every episode is a new adventure
I suggest you try to watch the series of The Orville if you hadn't already, I don't know you guys but for me The Orville should have been what Discovery and Picard....weren't
I agree, but I don't see that happening for a while, serialized content is way to popular for them to give it up yet. But everything cyclical, that format will come back around, prob with the advent of holographic television lol. Who knows.
I'd like a miniseries featuring one of Enterprise's Refit Sisters! Like maybe the Constitution? Taking place just after the V'ger incident!! Maybe a Federation Starship crewed 100% by Non-Terrans?? Maybe?? Whaddya think?
I've never heard the "Ship of Theseus" philosophical argument called a "broom". Very neat. Just looked it up. It's also referred to as "Trigger's broom" and "grandfather's axe". Great video!
Even Admiral Picard Says That This Ship Was More Advanced Than His Stargazer
If it's a refit , why would it have a different registry number? If it's not a refit and "Stargazer" isn't an important name, why would it have the same name? If it's not a refit and they wanted to reuse the name, why wouldn't it be an A?
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Exactly. They're just waffling at that point.
Yah, that explanation is pure nonsense. That have matter/energy replication technology. The structure of the ship bears zero resemblance to the original. Just take the L and admit that line was a mistake.
I feel it's more a tribute to Picard's legacy than of the vessel itself. She was a stepping stone in Picard's career. I'd imagine her original registry was retired long ago after she was seemingly lost.
Not all refits justify a letter after the name or keeping the registry number. There is a CZcams channel that has a history of different names.
The Stargazer is a ship of Theseus, every part replaced and upgraded over time that you question if it’s really the same ship anymore.
To quote Vision: neither is the true ship, both are the true ship
There's a thoughtful article on Ex Astris Scientia that muses whether the refit Enterprise from TMP is really the same as the original ship since very little of the original ship had to have been left, and whether it should be considered "Enterprise-class" rather than Constitution-refit.
If the new Stargazer is also a refit, it's interesting that it is considered Sagan-class and not Constellation-refit, or even "Stargazer-class".
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Just stop...they screwed up the dialogue. It is not the same ship because you cannot tell me how we get from the Constellation Class to this....Are we just replacing saucer sections and drive sections and whatnot. This is not the Enterprise refit - which has a similar shape, and honestly, the history of those ships were, they spent so much time and energy on making them compact, the reason they got such an extensive rebuild was they were overbuilt in the first place. Modest shape changes are as retconned as the uniform insignias (remember, in TOS each ship had a different logo, the Delta was only for the Enterprise, but this was retconned into being the Starfleet logo)
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I really like the design of Stargazer and definitely enjoyed ST: Insurrection. I never understood the issues people had with it.
I love the USS Stargazer, lets hope it is in season 3, now impatiently waiting for the new trailer, series and of course Ups & Downs !
Great job putting this together very informative I appreciate that you make sure to give credit to these designers as well. I also love the fact that the show creators took notice of STO ship designs the game does a great job of modernizing ship designs. The game helps fill a void while star trek was off the air.
I never liked the look of the TNG Stargazer at all and really wasn't a fan of the four nacelle builds. But I think this is the most beautiful ship they've ever designed, and that's something coming from a diehard 1701-E fan.
You probably don't like the three warp nacelles federation class dreadnought either
@@davidthompson5766 Well, when I got my Starfleet Technical Manual back in 1975 when I was eleven years old, I thought it was amazing. But yeah, I do prefer the twin nacelle configuration.
It saw so little screen time, I'm surprised there are even 10 things TO know about it!
One feature of the original Stargazer I wish they had carried over is the number of bay doors around the saucer rim... Though that landing platform with airlocks and bay doors that you see early on in this video is pretty neat.
CARPET IS A MUST and this is why: Shiny floors are smooth floors, slippery. Considering battles, other disasters and just random space related reasons of turbulence, carpet floors offer better traction for the polished shine of Star Fleet standard uniform shoes. Ever seen the shoes? Basically dress shoes with no treads to speak of... So would you rather slip and fall when the ship shakes a little bit or would you rather have carpet that gives the rubber of the shoe a bit more grip helping you stay in place?
Blink and you miss it 5:41 the plaque says Constitution Class instead of Constellation Class. I think there is some behind the scenes story that the Stargazer was originally intended to be a Constitution Class starship but the idea was scrapped.
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If it's the same ship, why the new registry and class? Those are indicative of a replacement, not upgrades.
(Edit:) As an aside, there were over 30 years between the recovery of the Stargazer and Picard season 2. Refits make sense. They made sense for the original Enterprise, after all.
Also, there are advantages to carpeted floors. You're less likely to slip during an action sequence with additional friction. Than again, Starfleet's boot choices don't always make sense.
STICK TO YOUR GUNS - its not a refit. Since it was recovered, they had two incursions of the Borg, the Dominion War, and the creation of the copy and paste fleet. There was the development of numerous ship classes. And there was a need for older training ships for the new classes. There is absolutely no reason to retrofit the Constellation Class Stargazer into this new ship class. The Constellation, if it survived any battle, would likely be a supply running ship in some way-out sector, or turned into a trainer for the Academy. Starfleet would have been better off pulling one of the Galaxy frames out of storage, and creating a new star drive for the saucer of the D (which I know, was destroyed in some book) than retrofit the Stargazer this much....
Really enjoyed this episode, some of those interiors were really nice.
I loved the Stargazer. Was so hoping for a Rios, Seven and Rafi spinoff series.
I think you’d be the only one hoping for that spinoff, Rios was a fun character, 7 is ok, and Rafi is a waste of screen time. But hey to each their own, eh?
10:05 I just LOVE the updated LCARS! At some point I wanna see a modernized Enterprise-D bridge, lounge and ready room with those updates similar to how the TOS Enterprise was updated in Strange New Worlds. I wonder how they would modernize the hotel vibe of the Enterprise-D.
Also, why has no one ever thought of farnart for that idea?
They kept the D bridge the same for season 3. Rightly so
@@originalmin I thought that they’d at least kept the additional stations from Generations.
Genuinely curious how the echoing was on the bridge without carpeting. Might not be an issue when things are relatively calm…but once the excitement and noise ramp up?
carpets are useful on a ship. they eliminate slipperiness, and reduce echo.
The mention of carpets has got me thinking, maybe there should have been an episode with the cleaners going around the bridge with there 24th century henry hoovers!
I'm okay without carpet, but then the floor should be mat. As you said where's the star fleet cleaning crew? Somebody is polishing those floors. All that aside the reflective floor has to be a pain in the ass for efx crew. For ex if there's a cgi character then it has show up on the floor as well.
As a disabled person, the hard, shiny floors just look like a fall hazard. Carpet may not be appropriate or practical (though I adore the D as a representation of a prosperous and settled Federation), there must be some sort of compromise. Maybe hard flooring with texture and less shine, maybe with some scuffing to show everyday use.
I kinda like some of the 4-Nacelle designs!! The original Excelsior concept was an elongated 4-nacelle ship.
The Saucer Section was nearly identical to the final design! Picard's Stargazer was originally intended to be portrayed as a Constitution "TMP-Style" Refit! Although I like the Constellation Class design, I was disappointed that the STTNG producers decided not to use the Connie Refit design!
Lots of love and care put into the stargazer.
Nx02 Colombia next maybe? Be interesting to know some bits about that 🤷♀️. Have you guys done a Titan one already? Next please 😍
It would be nice, as you mentioned it to see all the ships in Star Trek Online. Starting with Federation and then going through all factions , with info of they are cannon in a film or series or just online! A few videos worth there!
I guess we can throw the refit idea out the window now, since we saw Picards at the fleet museum in season 3 and it was the constellation class design from next generation
on Number 9 entry while I am not confident that the bones of the Constellation cruiser are at the bottom of the Sagan class Stargazer; on the matter of the registry. Despite there being a very renown Constitution-class USS Defiant. The Defiant class USS Defiant also did not have a letter after the index number.
I still don't understand how it can be the same ship.
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The only eaglemoss ship I own is the segan class ship. But the main reason I like it and something I would have thought might have been pointed out….it’s an X-wing with a saucer section.
It’s clearly an x-wing with a saucer section with no one seeming to just point that out.
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I'd love to see a toss style federation class dreadnought. Also, I'd like to see the character of Arex (I believe) from star trek the animated series
We need a top ten list video of lists made by TrekCulture!
A top ten of top ten lists?
That could be a top 100.
I wonder what the numbering convention would be for the ship of Theseus.
Sean I am using this video as a drinking game... everytime you say evocative... We will do a shot 🥃 😂😂😂
You guys should do a video on the Amazing Tech of Starfleet, or a tech comparison between Star Trek Races. :) Please and hopefully thank you :)
Just because the new tech is so freaking cool!
The OG Stargazer is my favorite. The 25th century Stargazer is not bad but it could not compare to the Constellation Class.
Star Trek Insurrection was the first Star Trek film I saw in full. I was twelve. Before that, I hadn’t really liked Star Trek. That movie is what got me interested in the franchise. I care a lot for it and I am happy when it gets referenced in good ways.
Just me but is the music the most iconic thing in this series
6:50 Those are "warp field governors" now? In my old blueprints, those were called "impulse deflection crystals"
I mean, without them being real technology I suppose one could come up with some explanation about how they "regulate the subspace variance fields" to accomplish both jobs. It's just interesting, is all... I wasn't aware of the change in name
In answer to your question about what ship I'd like to see, Sean:
I personally would like to see a couple ships in new ship classes, specifically the USS Excelsior and the USS Yorktown with one of them being an Eisenberg Class and the other being a Steamrunner class
Let's face it, we know they didn't spend all that money for it to play a bit part.
You're going to see more of it, and not just as the Titan interior.
If it was just for a bit of background flash, they could have redressed SNW's bridge to be the Stargazer.
But they built VERY good sets and an incredibly detailed CGI model. It's going to be a "star" ship of some sort of new series.
I was hoping to get a Rios series, and I still think that was the original plan. I don't know what happened there, but it's such a waste of a character and an opportunity.
I hope you're right! But based on the writing I don't think they act with as much forethought as you give them credit for.
Insurrection _also_ has the manual steering column, proving that Riker is a gamer!
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Idk i think it looks much more like a Cheyenne class than a Constellation class ship but it still looks nice so thats ok.. :-X
I think in STO there is even a nacelle for the Cheyenne class that looks similar but its been ages since i had one of them.
@9:30 Oh nice didn't know they actually used the 3d models fom STO.. they should do that more often STO has a bunch of nice ships that just need some finishing touches after upscaling.
Everything about the Stargazer was gorgeous. I can't wait to see more of that kind of thing in season 3. Now... since you brought up the Discovery-A... adding letters to the registry is supposed to be for when there's a NEW ship with a legacy name. It is VERY clear the Discovery-A is NOT a new ship (same bridge, just with flamethrowers, etc). Therefore, that was yet another blunder from the Discovery team. Y'know... just in case you guys hadn't thought of that.
How about a "10 Things You Need to Know About the Red Uniforms" as in the ones from Wrath of Khan through who the frak knows?
After that impassioned defence of Insurrection, would it be too much to ask for an Ups and Downs video for it? I love that film - with the exception of the goofy joystick…
So what did Sean say instead of "gouverneurs" before the hard edit?
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At 5:40 The USS Stargazer plaque says constitution class but the stargazer is a constellation class starship
And a sagan class to boot
Is there a Tyson class that's a bit too quick and loud when responding to threats, and always seems like it's on the defensive?
Shame the Stargazer doesn't have a Stargazer Gundam model kit in the ready room. As the Gundam was named after the ship in TNG.
Beautiful!
Was thinking too that the Picard season 2 uniforms do an excellent near as dammit update to the Journeys End future uniforms… without looking so 90’s.
I can't really buy the new Stargazer as a refit of the original. It's too radical a departure. If it really were just the result of successive upgrades, then there's a lot of missing middle ships we never saw, and how did it end up with a different ship class and registry number?
However, I'm willing to meet Terry in the middle here. There's a middle ground between "completely unrelated new ship" and "the exact same ship with upgrades." And that is: maybe there are a few symbolic pieces of the previous Stargazer in the new Stargazer's construction. Like, build a new ship, but salvage a nice bulkhead or a comfy seat from the old ship and install it in the new ship's observation lounge or mess hall. Glue a plaque on. That seems like an appropriately naval-feeling tradition for Starfleet to have.
It makes sense to make starships modular. This would mean you could use the same spaceframe,, but upgrade as new technology emerges. This would extend the lifetime of any given ship, improve repair/refit time, reduce labor "costs", improving mission specific capabilites, also improving repair speed and ship to ship compatibility.
Carl Sagan got a class named after himself? Cool!
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Going to STO was genius
Bill Krause’s work is so amazing, I’m really glad that his work is getting incorporated into Star Trek canon, both here in the form of the Stargazer, and in Season 3 in the form of the Titan-A.
I fell like the new stargazer ether needs a centered third phaser strip like the ambassador Class or have it's two saucer strips extended
Broom? I believe you mean the “ Ship of Theseus”!
Thanks.
I was about to say this is a totally different ship however in thinking about it more, the only strange thing they did was give it a different registry...which makes no sense. If it is actually a refit (with the foundation being the old Stargazer) then it's the same ship. Remember the Enterprise was completely changed between TOS and the Star Trek movies and initially did not get an A......again if its truly the same ship....
The Stargazer is just a cool sounding name. That's it. It's not a big deal of a ship. I always thought the 4 engine nacelles was a dumb idea.
How about the USS Leeds next? It gets no love, even though it's the Nebula class that is always seen pootling around DS9... :P
Rafi's ship The USS Excelsior, the new one :)
Yeahhhh but if it were just a bunch of refits, it wouldn't have a different registry. Reference gets made to the refits that resulted in the TMP-look Enterprise, and sure enough, no new registry because it wasn't a new ship. Yet with the Stargazer, it /does/ have a new registry, meaning it's a different ship
Galaxy Class has "warp field governors" too. They're rectangular and in front of the saucer impulse engines.
Iight have something to do with a warp field being used for accelerating the propellant out the impulse engines.
That was the arboretum, not a governor
I wonder if we're talking about the same thing......
Pretty sure those blue domes were called Impulse Deflection Crystals and had nothing to do with the Warp Field Governor that was on the NX-01
I STRONGLY disagree about the lack of carpets.
'Normal' warships don't have them for one very important reason that starships don't have to worry about.
WATER.
Waterlogged carpets can get VERY slippery, they hold moisture and get mouldy.
This is why military vessels are replete with non-slip paint.
It's also a cost-reduction measure.
Money's been done away with in the 24thC.
Mr ship designer's talking out of his sphincter, he must have been on an Ace Ventura binge.
06:51 is that Marcus I hear?
But does the ship has rocks in its bulkheads?
I think it's about time that the USS Enterprise makes a come back in a new show... i mean the modern one, whatever letter it has now
I think it's the Enterprise N.
That'll stop the story flowing nicely:
"I'm sorry, did you say M or N"
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@10:37 I get this reference clip
Has anyone found the torpedo launchers yet?
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It's too different to believably be a refit.
Normally I'd expect to see a size comparison on Ex Astris Scientia, but it seems like people have stopped caring. That's the worst thing that can happen to a fandom.
Where does he get all of these amazing models of the ships and shuttles? I thought EagleMoss went out of business, and the few ones I've found on Ebay are so overpriced. Nor is any of the new ships, Like the the Enterprise J available anywhere I've looked. Amazon has some, but the prices are out of my range.
Didn't They Say That This Wasn't The Same Ship ?
The Stargazer is a new ship. Period. Its not a retrofit of the Constellation Class version. The broom concept is bunk, because we are talking about spaceframes and warp nacelles. The proof is the original dedication plaque was not placed on the new bridge, and the registry numbers are different. IF THIS WAS THE SAME SHIP, the plaque would have been installed in the new bridge module, while the ship would have retained its registry. The only way you get a new registry is a new build of the ship, and if anyone tells you otherwise they are just lying to cover up a mistake.
Loved _Insurrection._
The Copy/Paste fleet is annoying but makes perfect sense in-universe, if Starfleet has taken a major loss to their ships. Find a decent enough design which is _easy to build fast_ and make dozens of them. Real life examples are the Fletcher destroyers, Essex carriers, Liberty Ships, etc. They don't have to look good to get the job done. The Curiosity & variants are the Camry/Accord/F-150/777 of modern Srarfleet. Boring, the right tool, perfectly designed and no one cares about them. They're appliance ships.
AAAAH! Trigger's Broom!
🖖😎👍Very cool and very great looking starship indeed, You guys as always have done a very nicely job of informatively explaining and very well executing everything very well and in detail indeed👌...
I can't see this being a refit honestly. With the refit enterprise, you can see the original layout, it's scale was very similar. There's nothing on this ship that says this was the original but improved to me, at all!
The defiant had carpet. It wasn't a cruise ship.
Starfleet needs carpet dammit.
Knowing that there is likely a short amount of time between seasons which allows little time for creativity I'm surprised they didn't dip into STO sooner.
I like the Stargazer federation starship love the USS Stargazer. ❤️💘👍🤗😁😀
I really wish they'd cut out the smoking. Especially cigars. I'm with George Carlin on that one!