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Star Trek: TNG Review 7x15 - Lower Decks | Reverse Angle
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Echevarria, René. “Lower Decks.” Star Trek: The Next Generation, created by Gene Roddenberry, Season 7, Episode 15. Paramount Television, CBS, 1994.
Winfrey, Jonathan, director. Excessive Force II: Force on Force. New Line Home Video, 1995.
The fucked up thing about this episode is that, in a way, Ensign Sito is sort of "groomed" for this suicide mission by Picard. Holding her past actions over her head, pretending she's up for a "promotion" she's desperate for, telling her he wanted to give her a chance to prove herself etc. It makes my stomach turn a bit, it's what commanders have done to young people since the dawn of war, getting them to go out and kill others and themselves for some abstract personal glory or fulfillment.
That's what you sign up for when you join a military though, potentially dangerous situations.
When Picard said "secret mission", he meant "svicide mission". Makes a lot of sense though. Send a freshman to a mission that is extremely dangerous, even though she has zero experience. The surprise would be if she survived. Her chances to survive were the same as winning the lottery jackpot. 😀
suicide*
@@drownedcreation Yeah... thanks, but I have to toetip around many words, or CZcams won't let my comment show up or deleting later. So If I'm not sure, I just write "trittering words" with weird characters.
For example, have you noticed, that if you mention Youutbe, comments and c3ns0rship in one sentence, there is a high chance of the comments getting blocked by YT? Happened to me many times.
I totally agree with the the A- rating. This episode gives us insight into how the junior officeers live. We learn they don't have their own cabins. We learn the other staff in 10 Forward are civilians like Guinan. We get to see the senior officers through a window like perspective. At the end, every time I hear Picard announced Sito's death I get that lip quiver. So well done.
A brief glimpse of what Star Trek Lower Decks would have to over decades later.
Yeah you see it from the junior officers point of view!.
Lower Decks the cartoon - I liked it from the start. Minor spoilers follow:
They do referencing, but most of it isn't annoying.
The show reminds me of Futurama. Only warped but in a good way.
They do explore new ideas very well.
There is also drama. If you get used to the characters and character archetypes, there is fun to be had.
There are some plot developments and revelations in later episodes that had my jaw dropping and in a good way.
The show impressed me but some needed a few episodes, and others outright hate it.
I expected to hate Lower Decks just like the two guys in this channel. But I loved the premise enough to give it a chance. I'm not a fan of family guy or futurama. Rick and Morty was decent enough. I enjoy Lower Decks though. There is some low brow humor in it, but we just watch an episode of TNG, and how many others, with space ghosts raping/seducing the bridge crew. I think a lot of Lower Decks comedy comes from normal people's perspective on that stuff. the same reason I find this channel funny is what I find funny about Lower Decks.
I third this assessment, Star Trek: Lower Decks is a _great_ show. It’s one of the few cartoons my older (late 40s) neighbour/friend will actually watch… I’m not sure why he dislikes most animated stuff but this is good enough to be an exception for him.
Agree
The show runner is the same guy who helped create and write Rick and Morty. The Rick and Morty comparison, but toned down, is more apt then Futurama.
Oh, I bet there would be all kinds of hijinks on a spaceship like this, if it existed.
Taurik became Vorik in Voyager, in a very similar way to how Nick Locarno became Tom Paris. Same actor, same mannerisms, different name, slightly different backstory.
Yup, they did that specifically with Paris to avoid paying royalities to the Nick Locarno writer which is a really shitty move, with Vorik Im not sure if its the same or if they just liked his performance.
@@bingbong9076 Alex Enberg is Jeri Taylor's son. She was a writer and then a producer on TNG and Voyager. I doubt there were any royalties issue there.
@@macktheinterloper Royalties for including a character would be paid to the writer, not the actor. I assume the royalties is for the character is exactly why they used a different name.
@@StarkRG I know, but guess what, as luck would have it, the same team of writers wrote a Voyager episode with this character in it. The name change was likely just to differentiate them, not because of royalties.
@@bingbong9076 I dunno, it's a bit much to pay someone 172 episodes worth plus syndication in perpetuity for a character you kind of like that has a few minutes of screen time. I can't see anyone taking that deal except maybe an established and aging producer trying to give a younger relative a boost. Also, as macktheinterloper says above, I'm not even convinced this tale is true rather than a long-standing internet rumor. It's not like Ronald D. Moore is some obscure presence. If Rick Berman pulled the rug from under him, it'd probably be a more famous story.
If this was made in the naughties, it would have been filled with flashbacks to previous episodes with the lower deck crew green screened in.
Do you mean the nineties?
@The H A I K U K I N G the 00's. 2000 to 2009 or 2001 to 2010.
0 is sometimes called "aught" I learned it from dnd where rolling a 100 on percentile dice is called rolling a "double aught."
The 90s could be considered the naughties for viewers of Cinemax After Dark.
I hate how right you are lol
0:45 I like how in this context, nurse is treated like a species apart from human
Lower Decks (the animated series) is actually a really good series. Does a great job at referencing TNG, DS9, and Voyager.
Especially 2nd and 3rd seasons.
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I cannot more strongly recommend you see Star Trek: Lower Decks. Although I will admit that I love comedy and cartoons and that makes me somewhat biased, but I think that Lower Decks is my favorite Star Trek show, hands down!
References don't make shows good.
@@Neethan3247right but when used on a good show like Lower Decks it only makes it better
The Lower Decks series is pretty good, it really goes into depth on how psychotic Starfleet really is.
The first season is awful but it gets a lot better
@@___-yy8ud i got to first 2 episodes and quit, you would advise to keep watching? when do we get a good first season episode?
@@JamesC1981 ya, first 3 episodes are a bit cringe, rest of first season is ok with some decent funny moments. . But 2nd and 3rd seasons actually are really good.
This is one of, if not, my favorite episodes. On a side note, I can't get over the size difference between Worf (Michael Dorn) and ensign Sito (Shannon Fill) during the space karate scene LOL ... She is tiny
Remember when I said Season 7 only had 4 good episodes and technically two of them were a single two-parter? So, this is one of those good episodes. In fact, it's one of the best Trek episodes across all the original series. Fortunately, you haven't reached the other three yet. I wonder if we'll agree on them.
I would say it has 4-5 very good episodes, a few decent ones and an unfortunate chunk of bad ones.
Brilliant episode, and the characters were good. Ensign Sito is great, the dressing down from Picard is done really well, and it's good she redeems herself (with hinting from Worf) and her death is handled really well (although they should have told her friends before telling the entire ship, poor Nurse Ogowa found out in the middle of examining a patient!)
So Troi and Riker not only evaluate every single crew member, they also do it in public in ten-forward?!
If I was a junior officer sat a table with other junior officers, I'd shit myself if Worf sat down!!!
It's bad management. Praise in public, critique in private.
I love the way we see the regular crew behaving differently with lower status crew. Real people present different faces to different purple based on status .
By chewing her out for the stunt she pulled at the Academy, Picard purposely manipulated Sito into accepting a suicide mission.
@@mattstrathis4328I just watched it again (for like the 10th time, and that’s exactly what I was thinking. He was super manipulative.
This episode's fatal casualty by its own carries way more weight than Tasha Yar's fatal casualty after 20+ episodes. IMO way, way more heartbreaking than stuff like Offspring, Ethics, etc. Sito is my favorite female TNG character after Ro Laren.
This is probably the most underrated channel on CZcams. Amazing.
I recorded every TNG episode on VCR in the 90s and this is how I want to enjoy the entire series again.
I agree with yous guys. I like how we follow people who actually want to advance and get promoted. People who actually have some motivation. Picard passed on being an Admiral. Riker passed on being Captain. Data has no ambition. Geordi seems complacent, Worf just wants Glory, not promotion... Seeing the younger crew... was refreshing. I'd love to see a Brash young Ensign Picard or Riker before he became smooth... etc.
Watch Tapestry for a brash Ensign Picard
@@thatguyfromcetialphaV That was old Picard playing young Picard. Got a taste of brash young captains in Trek 2009 which is more of what I want. Everything up until he was promoted from suspended cadet to first officer. After that it was looney tunes.
Jocular is only slightly below cadre on the list of words that shouldn't be used in normal conversation.
Jocularity! Jocularity!
People are too jocular nowadays. 😛
What should people use, "tech", "merch", "ug", "goo goo gaa gaa"? 🤣
@@darthhauler9947 all I could picture is Farher Mulcahy saying this exact line in the TV show M.A.S.H ... LOL
Years ago Roger Ebert disagreed with Gene Siskel on some movie and said he was aghast. Might be the only time I've heard the word spoken in earnest.
the stuff about following "normal non-important people" resonates a lot, especially as i'm just watching Andor, which is the most extreme version of Lower Decks for Star Wars, and it's compelling for similar reasons minus the presence of the "big players". great episode, one of the few good ones left in this last season
Personally this is my favorite Season 7 episode, I thought it was very well done and I appreciated the more DS9 writing when it came to the cardassian. My biggest gripe about TNG overall is that antagonist species are always treated as being all evil, with a handful of exceptions, and I felt this was one of the best exceptions of the later show.
Lower Decks animated series is comedic and references a lot of the other series (all the time) The humor is hit or miss, but overall it's entertaining and has some more meaningful episodes.
I hope you do Voyager just for the questions that arise from that young vulcan...
10:45 I agree. that's one reason I like the Lower Decks series. I suppose it was in some way inspired by this episode. lol.12:15 Lower Decks is a bit comedic, but it's also very good. I went in like ya'll thinking it would be Family Guy or Rick and Morty meets Star Trek. I suppose it kind of is, but it's really an animated Star Trek. Most of the comedy comes from the Lower Deck crew having the same perspective as ya'll do. It's like this youtube series. But it's not just a mockery of Star Trek. I think it also deserves respect as its own series. Give it a shot as your next youtube series. The show often references episodes from previous series like TNG. I watched an episode the other day where they visited the two planets where one had the other addicted to drugs.
I loved this episode. Sito’s death actually bothered me which is rare for me with characters I’m just being introduced to.
She was meant to return had the show been renewed for an 8th season.
@@GeoStreber That makes sense, cause they wouldn't just send someone on a suicide mission. It's more of a "Yeah she's like so dead right now, we will wait for her to come back here."
Feels like this episode could've been a movie. Certainly way better than any of the TNG movies, not to mention the TOS reboots.
where I come from, the name Gauthier is pronounce Go-chay. not sure if that helps. lol. the ipa on wikipedia suggest it's gaw-t-yay or go-jee-ay. just say go-chay. close enough.
Yay! Just what I needed to start my day off right: a heapin' helpin' of RA! 😎🤘☮️
It's too bad they didn't have episodes like this earlier in the series, especially when Wesley was around.
Lower Decks is pretty good if you can get through the first couple of episodes where they try super hard to be like Rick and Morty
I loved the show from day one but, yeah, I recommend it too. They're done some great stuff.
One of my favorites and the inspiration for the Lower Decks series.
One thing I liked about this episode was that the issue with Ensign Sito reminds me of a similar incident on Murder She Wrote with a character called Preston Giles. Preston starts out in the first episode (The Murder of Sherlock Holmes) as a publisher, but winds up at the end to be the murderer. He returns for a second episode later in the series and winds up being killed at the end. This episode with Ensign Sito is similar, because she, too, was involved in an incident where someone died and then she showed up in another episode and died at the end.
I give this an A, as well.
Human, Bajoran, Vulcan, Nurse!
Wesley was never hated like Ensign Sito was by Picard. She was more innocent than Wesley. Love how Worf had feelings for the loss of Sito.
I always wonder where on these shuttles the escape pod is supposedmto be. Or anything really.
The runabout was the first well sized shuttle.
So glad you guys liked this episode.Lower Decks the show is actually really good l.
I'm actually enjoying Picard S3 so far. It's not perfect and they have to begrudgingly acknowledge some of the crazy things that happened in previous seasons, but it's a damn sight better than what came before it. For the first time in I don't know how long I'm actually looking forward to the next episode. I hope they get Terry Matalas back to be the permanent showrunner for Trek. He's got the vision to get it back on...Trek. (LOL! Get it? "Trek". 🤪😜)
Lower Decks the show is absolutely worth watching, but it is entirely different than everything else in Star Trek.
Ah, I loved that episode. It was great.
All the actors' performances all look really stilted, particularly Ben, who smiles likes he's in a toothpaste commercial or a film from the 1930s; I blame the director.
Realistically, Star Fleet would probably be crippled by rampant careerism amongst it's officer corp.
Lower Decks is excellent, but since it doesn't take itself so seriously, it's hard to make the commentary you guys make for TNG hahaha
The background music at 4:00 -- hilarious!
Lower decks animated show is really good. The trailer makes it look stupid. But imo it's the best star trek since the 1990s. The show really respects cannon and pays extremely close attention to detail to the series as a whole. Worth watching. It's not what you think. It's not for young audiences. It would be great if you guys would review that show.
Edit: The first 2 seasons of ST:Picard is the worst star trek ever. That's saying something since STD is still a thing.
Lower Decks got good & especially good at bringing back old canon that the show would often ignore, answering the "what happened?" questions with a lot of actors coming back to reprise their characters. However as it gets closer to Abrams stuff it'll downgrade fast. Picard is built on the aftermath of Abrams, helmed by 2 men who openly despise Star Trek, staffed by actors who needed a paycheck, content to randomly kill off character & now the Enterprise-D is back and... who cares.
Mariner went to the academy at the time of "First Duty" & blamed Nick Locarno for not only ruining the careers of his squadron but also Sito's death. It became personal when Nick shows up again, refusing to accept any personal blame & still claiming Starfleet was unfair, having gathered a bunch of ships to his cause. McNeill had returned as Tom Paris in LD prior & they do once make a comment on how Locarno looks like him.
Don't believe they had knowledge of the candle holder when Moriarty's simulation in the memory cube was created.
Suppose they could have updated the data in the extended memory device, but assume they wouldn't see the need for that.
The Lower Decks animated show is awesome, and I don't typically like animated comedic format.
The smiling all the time feels like a holdover from how geene felt like humans acted in the 23rd/24th century heck I think that was a thing in enterprise.
I never knew how much i needed to see Dr. Crusher Foxy Boxing with Sito Jaxa until today. Now I will settle for nothing less.
1:13 ...where Wesley killed that kid. I don't know why that is so funny
This episode takes on a more sinister tone, when you realize Warf Knows Sito will be sent on a suicide mission, and Picard is basically sentencing her to her death, knowing full well the Cardassians won't permit an escape pod to ... escape. Sito should also realize this is a set up, because when the Captain of a Federation Starship says he can not order her to do something, it's because he's protecting himself from the liability of her very likely death. She should have declined the offer to be a 'prisoner'. They could have spared her life by 'injuring' the Cardassian, and setting the damaged shuttle adrift towards Cardassian space, so unconcious, he would be rescued by his people.
Should have reviewed an episode of lower decks for the lols.
I'd rather you review the first 2 seasons of Enterprise than fucking Picard lol
Dan Gauthier also played a role in Tour of Duty. I think he was a helicopter pilot.
Higher decks when
If you want to know who ELSE Dan Gauthier is, look up "Teen Witch 10/12 Top That", and have a look for his character playing a central role in the scene, you will NOT be disappointed
"...90s young people TV show acting."
If I'm not mistaken, this episode aired in 1994.
This is one of my favorite episodes of the entire franchise.
Give the Lower Decks series a chance! It's at least a B+ and is the best Star Trek comedy you'll find outside of this channel.
You know that musician Gotye? That's how you pronounce Gauthier. Goat yay!
This reminds me. In the entire series, has Geordi ever won at poker? I know he came close when they made that bet with Beverly about dyeing her hair but we never found out what happened.
Anyone mention yet that the Torek actor is Vorek in Voyager...? Still a Vulcan.
I've heard two different things about them, Taurik and Vorik are either fraternal twins or first cousins. But definitely two different characters. Enberg is a talented actor, because upon watching Voyager and then a rewatch of ST:TNG Lower Decks, you realize he did some consistent things that distinguish Vorik from Taurik; change of facial expressions, vocal modulation and pitch... Vorik felt much more like a character that was hiding internal chaos, whereas Taurik felt much more comfortable and in touch with his (controlled) emotions.
This season was definitely a departure season. I guess because they knew it was ending and going into movies, they decided to pull out a few stops.
You can complain about how everyone's smiling too much, but people were just generally happier all the time in the '90s because all of the sadness and moping was focused into grunge and it was hard to suppress that! It's like how every film from the 60s the actors are way too horny.
@1:42 the environmental systems seems to fail that nippling day. I suspect Geordi ! ;)
Lo and behold this episode. It might be the only homonym episode. When the junior officers played poker they were using lower decks under the seniors.
considering the history of your world, it does not exactly validate what he is doing - BOOOOOM
One of my favorite episodes. I was so happy to see this in my feed today.
CONTINUITY ERROR
wouldn't the
KARDASHIANS
I mean
CARDASSIANS
recognize the name
USS ENTERPRISE
on the shuttle
This is hilarious as lower decks is basically how you guys review this show. Just made inro episodes of Trek. It basically constantly pokes holes in the shows own premise!!! Which is hilarious
The Crusher/Ogawa scenes were ruined by the difference in vasoline on the camera lenses for the two actors
FUN FACT
these lower deck
characters
were supposed to be on
VOYAGER
the vulcan's twin
was on
VOYAGER
Can't wait for the DS9 reviews
I think a great new show would have been one about Ensign Nog. You have a racist instructor at ST Academy assign him to a Garbage Scow for the 1st season. After he turns the crew around Nog is transferred to an Escort Ship for the second season with a whole new cast. And so on up through the ranks and a different ship almost every season. This would have been a real Lower Decks.
Lower Decks is a great show.
that's why you need to watch lower decks its really good
Fun fact: This was the first episode of TNG I ever watched. In retrospect, it was a very interesting introduction to the crew.
I think Nurse Ogawa felt out of place in this episode because of her age compared to the other ensigns. She was substantially older than the others and it just didn't seem like she would fit in to that group. It was another weird Star Trek age/rank disparity having a 40-year-old playing a lowest rank officer. Ogawa is older than Geordi and Deanna but still only an ensign?
Oh, and the guy that plays Taurik is the kid of one of the producers.
Lower Decks is comedic, but a lot of the humor is the same sort of self-referential poking fun at Star Trek tropes as you guys do, so you might enjoy it.
Hey in one episode they pointed out how stupid sub Rosa was with one of the characters saying how weird it was belverly had sex with a space ghost lol
Seconded on LD. I mentioned that a moment ago so now I feel like "Cause and Effect", but without Fletcher and the joke involving that commercial about not getting up.
Agreed
I just used many more words to try and express this exact sentiment. I'm not a fan of Futurama or Family Guy, and I recommend they watch (and post video reviews) of Lower Decks episodes.
Sub Rosa, Lower Decks; there's not much difference. After all, sub is lower, and didn't Troi find flowers on various decks in Second Chances?
In the final seasons the writers got to write plot lines that they had always wanted to write. That's my take on it at least
I consider this episode the pinnacle of Star Trek TNG storytelling. I have watched it many times, and it always moves me.
Ensign Sito needed a mini series
Can't wait for star trek voy reverse angle style reviews
lower decks can have some difficult (cringe) moments but overall i loved it even though i thought i would hate it like you
Jocular, how long have you been waiting to PULL that one out?
Good review. Good episode. I don't see giving this quite an A-/A grade, because we really don't see these types of characters enough (or again) to get a complete view of their development. However, the way they did this was well done. B+.
The 2 I like is Ogawa. And Sito. ❤❤❤❤🥰🥰🥰😍😍😍
You should give the Lower Decks cartoon a chance. It's definitely not as bad as I expected. Sure, it's got some very silly plots but it feels like a comedy cartoon made by actual Star Trek fans rather than the new live action shows feeling like Star Trek being made by people who hate Star Trek.
I stopped watching after
season 1
I've seen clips & reviews
and it's just
an EASTER EGG HUNT
where they point out the
FAN SERVICE
and they crossed over with
and alternate universe past
SNW
I had such a crush on Ensign Sito Jaxa. She is so ridiculously hot. But also, she just seemed so sweet.
Gauthier is a French Canadian name pronounced "Go-tyay"
04:06 & 05:40
&
09:10 to 09:22
close caption says
KARDASHIAN
Another enjoyable review
Lower Decks is amazing, you guys would hate it...
I can't tell if you're joking, but being Canadian and being Alaskan are nothing alike. That's not saying being Texan and being Mexican is the same difference.
Also agree. Completely uninterested in ST:LD. Couldn't care less.
So good!!!
The lower decks show seems lame at first, but grows on you.
Lower Decks the show is excellent
♥👍
Sito is so hot after she gets "beat up". Idk, I think it's the hair or something.
0:50
human ... bajoran ... vulcan ... nurse
something odd there
Aw bless you don't like new trek!!!!
I don't know why *Sub Rosa* gets such a bad rap.
Meh, didn't think it was that great. And the animated Lower Decks is 100x better than this episode. Give it a try beyond the trailer. Yes it's a comedy but they have interesting adventures too.