The real Jon Snow
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- Jon Snow is not who you think he is.
Who is the real Jon Snow in the ASOIAF books, compared to the Game of Thrones TV show?
How will Jon’s story end in The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring?
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Need the Dune part two video fr
Thanks for uploading it finally
Yay! I really enjoyed this one. Setting my alarm clock to 01:00 am. I'll have my coffee ready to stay awake.
Have you seen Dune part 2 yet?
Love your content 😊😊😊
“The show removes the magic from Jons story” That is true in more ways than one.
Well, Dumb and Dumber weren't exactly fans of magic, so I really don't know what they were doing adapting this series in the first place.
Guys we are done bashing the show
@@thnkr-jl7hw*YOU* might be done bashing the show...
@@thnkr-jl7hwwho's we?
@@thnkr-jl7hwWe’re done when I say we’re done.
At this point Alt Shift X has put more work into ASOIAF than GRRM has in the past 5 years.
OHHH MY GOOOOOOD THAT MAN OWES YOU NOTHING. YOUR BITCHING AND COMPLAINING DOES NOT MAKE HIM WRITE AND BETTER OR FASTER.
LOL!! Hilarious! 🤣
😂😂😂😂
A devastating reality 😢
Try ten years
The only winner here was Kit Harrinton. He got a redhead, 2 children, became rich and popular despite the ending of GoT and he donates to charity just like Emilia Clark. Just a great guy overall.
And his movie "testament of youth" prove he could do dramatic role.
I hate DnD cutting his role in games of thrones.
@@nurlindafsihotang49 what?
Shit, I donate to charity. Big whoop.
@@nurlindafsihotang49 Adding it to my list
@@MontagueCapulet Now all you need is a redhead
"Arya suffered at Harrenhall, joined a death cult, murdered people and she's still just 11 years old" When you put it like that... its terrifying.
That’s one of the few things I like about the show more than the books. Each season 1-6 is around a yearish, which seems more realistic than the entire story happening in a couple months
@@Chadius_ThundercockIt's so fitting that the show managed to do so much less across much more in-story time.
It's supposed to be, unlike in the show where her edge-ladyship is glorified
The Ghost of High Heart freaking out when she sees Arya says everything that needs to be said.
@@Chadius_Thundercock The book takes place between 298AC - 300AC. That is more than "a few months."
I don't think any of us can express how thankful we are for the amount of care, hard work, and dedication you put into all of these videos. It feels like a holiday every time I get a notification saying you've uploaded. Truly one of my favorite creators out there. One of the best.
100%
Who are your other favorities, becaise it appears you have good taste
Hard agree
Better than that alt schwift x guy
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Do you ever think that GRRM watches these videos and goes: "Damn that's way better than I had planned" and that's why he can't write the book
I don't care if he lies under oath & says he's *_never_* watched any of these channels- just so long as he uses them to **finish the damn books** !
Miyazaki syndrome
Scott Cawthon syndrome.
@@Karlach_ Main man Scott hasn't claimed he's ever been a great writer or even one at all though at least.
GRRM says he doesn't because of exactly this.
Imagine being Kit Harrington. Getting told he gets to play Jon Snow, probably reading the books to understand the character. Learning all the delicate nuances of the character and who he was. How fascinating, and human he was. Then getting told to just say "I don't want it" for five seasons. Imagine how disappointing that must have been. How hard it must have been to keep coming to work
I don't think he really cared. He always backed d and d up saying that everyone who criticize them is a hater. I'm can imagine that he doesn' t give a shit about the books.
@khswag3632 right right, I'm sure he wasn't just gritting his teeth and saying what he had to so he could keep his multi-million dollar paycheck. I'm sure that had nothing to do with it
I think I feel worse for Pilou Asbæk, the person who played Euron Greyjoy, now that´s a character that got butchered!
Lol nah the guy had no idea what book Jon was like.
I feel bad for Barristam Selmy’s actor. He read the books, knew them well. And he was told he was gonna get killed off in a fucking stupid way. He wrote a letter to DnD saying they should change it because it doesn’t fucking make sense and it sucks. But that made them want to kill Barristan even more
Stoneheart can't speak because her throat was viciously, deeply cut. It's not because she's undead, it's because of how she was killed.
I half expected this video to be about Arya to subvert my expectation
who cares, she is not a dragon
This is a highly underrated joke 😂 Bravo MrCoffeejingler
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@@benjaminf8526underrated ? U mean the same tired complaint people have been making since the last season of the show ??? Like yea it’s a legit criticism but come on people who have no idea what they’re talking abt rly latched onto this “subverting expectation” thing cuz it sorta kinda makes them sound like they kno what they’re talking abt. Same thing happened w Star Wars lol a bunch of people who have never worked in the industry moaning and whining abt things that are legitimate issues but having no clue what actually goes into the whole process. Big Reddit energy coming from ur comment dude
The fact that this story could go in a million different directions and still be interesting in every possible scenario is a real testament to how deep and well-written this series is.
Be a lot cooler if the writer would bother to finish the series
More like 3 ways for every choice
And the TV made the 4 choice the boring one
@@dfolz1101 I don’t envy his position. HBO arguably ruined his seminal work and now he has to spend extra time making sure they don’t make the same mistakes with HotD.
It sucks that we have to wait so long for a new book, but I don’t think his time is wasted.
@samuraispartan7000 8 years ago GRRM said he was months away from finishing winds. Its been 14 years man you can't keep making excuses.
@@samuraispartan7000Nah man he was stuck even before HBO came out. Martin's strength has never really been tying things together anyway.
I knew in book one, straight away that this version of Jon is way more realistic and empathic to me than the show one. Probably because he was way younger. But mostly when he had his outburst with his uncle benjen, shouted too Loud and had tears in his eyes. That’s a really human moment, most modern shows don’t have anymore. People are either perfect, or super stoic and cold as a “flaw”
You should watch modern trek. Plenty o crying,
Jon's arc alone is more than worthy of a trilogy. Simply astounding work by George.
Show Jon: I don't want it!
Book Jon: I really want it!
John Adams: I have it, and I hate it!
Not completely want it, but more it's my duty now.
No, he fuckin WANTS it. Being the Lord of Winterfell is his single greatest desire.@@stevem2323
She IS ma Quin
Book Jon: im the King im the song of ice and fire
@Morfe02 " the king of a song of ice and fire" goofy ahh 💀, do you even know what the ice and fire are in ASOIAF?
"Just when I thought I was out, ASX pulls me back in". - Michael Corleone...probably
Silvio Dante
@@narxesyou beat me to it
cmon, i been gone a long time. lemme hear it!
@narxes it was definitely Michael Corleone in Godfather 3
He actually said that
Sometimes I forget that he's not actually resurrected yet in the books. Like how wild would it be if Jon just... stays dead. The ultimate troll.
Book Jon:
Bowen Marsh sighed. "If they do not slay us with their swords, they will do so with their mouths.
Pray, how does the lord commander propose to feed Tormund and his thousands?"
Jon had anticipated that question. "Through Eastwatch. We will bring in food by ship, as much as might be required. From the riverlands and the stormlands and the Vale of Arryn, from Dorne and the Reach, across the narrow sea from the Free Cities."
"And this food will be paid for ….. how, if I may ask?"
With gold, from the Iron Bank of Braavos, Jon might have replied. Instead he said, "I have agreed that the free folk may keep their furs and pelts. They will need those for warmth when winter comes. All other wealth they must surrender. Gold and silver, amber, gemstones, carvings, anything of value. We will ship it all across the narrow sea to be sold in the Free Cities."
Show Jon to Bowen Marsh: I f*d us up, my lord. I borrowed gold… I don’t want it…
19:42 Jon showing Ghost the pommel and going "Look. It's you." is adorable. Even though it's a fantasy story and Ghost is a wolf, they still get the owner/dog dynamic down.
ghost might be 6 foot tall human devouring direwolf, but hes still good boi
It's such a meaningless but also meaningful moment. Because it adds to Jon's character and his relationship with Ghost.
a cool moment, very good writing
@@RenfromBespin Very. That is my absolute favorite part about George. Yes, he thinks of these amazing, epic moments that become Emmy-winning episodes but it’s the little things he thinks to add, that place you right inside the scene with your eyes and your heart, that I’m just completely awed by. When other writers would skip to the next scene, he pauses and grounds you.
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"In the book, Tycho has a big purple hat."
Perfiddious Schwift has infiltrated the script
Almost sounds like a glidus line
What a fucking flex. Wonder how many Essosi snails died for the dye required. Straight Byzantine shit.
@@herbertschulz4313Both Alt Shift and Alt Shwift are just time traveling and skin changing Glidus. The Omni-Glibussy.
@@HOTD108_But do they share the same body, or is it one soul gliding between different hosts as in the Glid-on theory?
That's why they call him Big Hat Tycho
It's rarely been mentioned how similar Jon is to Paul Atreides. They're both the result of breeding experiments to create a prophesied hero. They're both careful leaders, trying to walk a very narrow path. Something something blue eyes. They're both set up in their stories as slowly gathering wisdom & strength, preparing for a role of ultimate power. And perhaps, like Paul, Jon's personal self-actualization will ultimately result in a disastrous massive loss of life that he won't be able to stop.
Except Jon is a lot more nuanced and complex compared to Paul
@@sindelscat9336 I don't think you're giving Dune enough credit here. Paul is a profoundly multifaceted character, conflicted beyond most people's ability to comprehend
@@Toastrodamus yes but we don't get what his motives really are, we don't get his personal wants or needs, it just seems like fate is telling him what to do and he follows along with it, vs Jon who wants to be king of the north who wants to be involved with things those are his personal wants and needs, Paul on the other hand is really only doing these things because he has to.
It’s really striking similarities, George is a huge fan of the Dune series
So Jon is a doomed hero, destined to become something too dangerous.
Jon Snow is another name for Jack Frost, the king of winter.
Paul Atreides is a cautionary tale, which many don't get at first.
I've never read the books, but ever time I learn how much more deep and conplex the books are than the show, I can't help wondering how book readers could enjoy the show at all, even in the early seasons
Personally, I couldn't. As a longtime fan of the books, I could only make it through two or three episodes before giving up in disgust. It felt like the Hollywood theme park version of the story.
most of the original fans never watched the show
I watched the show before I started reading the books i’m currently on book 3 and yeah it’s so much better like wayyyyyy better. when i watch the show now i can’t help but criticize it even for the early seasons which i used to love 😭
The first season wasn't bad, and most of the changes made sense as, well, these are really long books and you have to change some things when adapting to a different medium. There were some changes even then that were red flags in retrospect, but at the time, it just seemed like normal adaptational changes. The changes got bigger every season, and I know I dipped somewhere in season 4 when the pile-up of "I am pretty sure the creators don't understand the themes of the original story" became too obvious to ignore for me. That said, I think as its own entity the show didn't really get *bad* until season 5.
I think with Jon's story in particular, though, it's difficult to adapt. So much of Jon's story is really in his internal thoughts. Even if you did a direct adaptation, I think Jon might seem less nuanced in a film or TV version because we're not in his head getting his experiences like we are in the book. Jon is definitely one of the characters whose depth and nuance suffers most when moved out of a written medium to a visual one, imo.
A lot of the changes made to the story would have been better received if Game of Thrones had ended differently than Martin's outline notes for A Song of Ice and Fire, and we didn't know how badly they'd botch the ending until later in the story.
One of the biggest problems is that the show tries to keep plot points that would only make sense for the book versions of these characters, even though they've changed so much in adaptation that they no longer fit. Jon's lack of internal conflict and streamlining into a conventional heroic fantasy lead would have played a lot better if he'd actually defeated the Night King. The world being saved by one of the few people in the cast who honestly didn't want political power, while everyone else was distracted from the impending apocalypse because they were too busy squabbling over a chair, works thematically. Especially since doing so would take the leadership ability to knit a ragtag group of misfits and opposing armies into one army with one supreme commander and one purpose, showing that he'd make a great king if he actually wanted it (and hadn't abdicated. And therefore ruled himself out of the line of succession. ...Varys.) ...Instead, his leadership role is eventually swallowed up by Daenerys and Arya killsteals the Night King, so we're left wondering what the point of following Jon for seven years worth of buildup was.
Ironically, even though Arya killing the Night King was a decision that D&D have admitted they made themselves (it was intended to be Jon until very late in the game,) Jon not landing the killing blow would fit a lot better in the books, where he's a wily political leader and tactician first, a warrior second. He could still be Azor Ahai if his strengths weren't so tied to direct combat.
Jon in the Winds of Winter: "Maybe the real Song of Ice and Fire is all the friends we made along the way"
"i defeated the Night King! I truelly am The Song of Ice and Fire"
Hahahaha
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it's snowin' time
@boitrash4279Winter is cumming
wake up babe Alt Shift X just posted a new ASOIAF video
Wow how original
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literallly though, I woke my dog up to make sure she understood the gravity of the situation. she did not, the grumpiness is real
I said the same to my wife :)
She’s still asleep :(
@@alexx5064my family is like your dog, they don't understand!
One thing that always bothered me about the show is that Cersei and Tommen pretty much just completely ignore the fact that the boltons were defeated and the north is declaring independence again
In one episode the Boltons were defeated & in the next Tommen died. When was he supposed to react.
I have no words. Somehow you have undone some of the ick that ive been carrying since season 7.
A 2hour video with subtitles ???
That's incredible. Thank you so much for making it accessible
It’s actually really easy to make these subtitles! All you have to do is feed your script to CZcams, and it’ll make it all on its own. I’m sure ASX went over and reviewed it all to make sure it lines up, but it’s really not as tricky as you may think!
took him 5 months
"babe wake up"
That's still a lot of work to go through subs for a 2hrs video. And many youtubers don't even try 😢 @@EvolvedDinosaur
@@EvolvedDinosaurpunctuation, grammar, correct spelling of character names, plus all the things that would be confused for other words because of his accent... Most of his content is scripted so it makes sense for his captions to be so good but let's not pretend that it's very easy to edit a 2 hours worth of subtitles.
About ravens appearing and saying "Snow".
In a Sam pov chapter - after he has returned to Castle Black with Gilly - there's a throw away scene of no import where he's feeding Aemon's ravens, many of which are spanking new ones. We hear Sam commenting that he has been carefully teaching ALL of them to say "Snow". A few chapters later, the election takes place.
Sam is much craftier than people give him credit for. He wasn't relying on ONE raven to say Snow. He was arranging for all of them to.
Wasn't it Mormonts raven, though? It knew more words than all the others
Its been a while but iirc he had nothing to do with the Mormont's raven
Basically, Sam tried a 10000 IQ move where all the ravens say snow. The one raven he did not teach, the personal raven of Jeor Mormont, is the one who ended up being the pivotal one that landed on Jon and said Snow out lout.
This shows that:
1. Sam is smart and crafty enough to aid in Jon's win.
2. There is a supernatural element that helped Jon win the election as well.
Pretty sure Sam says he's teaching the ravens to say snow during the ranging in book 2, like half a year before the election. Plus it was Mormont's raven that came out during the election and Sam seems earnest to me when he says he had nothing to do with it.
Mormont's raven saying it was the special thing.
If all the ravens started cawing "snow", people would just reason "Oh, someone taught all the ravens to say 'snow'.".
It would work more as a form of open (moral) support than trying to evoke a magical moment.
Still a great idea from Sam.
Great analysis. However, you can't convince me that Arya and Jon will be at loggerheads, not after Arya tries and fails to discard Needle. "It's just a sword", she tries to tell herself before thinking that it is so much more than that, it is Winterfell, a kiss from her Mother, and Jon most of all. She hides Needle instead, a subtle admission that she still loves Jon, and she has been listening to tales of Jon's command of the Night's Watch as the "Black Bastard" from sailors at Braavos. They will reunite, broken and traumatized, but still with love for each other.
What actually amazes me is that this video hit 2.1mil views in 2 just two weeks. This channel stays relevant and so good for like what now? 8-9 years? I love this video as much as the others, thank you for entertaining us for so long!
>New Alt Shift X video
>It's about ASOIAF
>It's 2 hours long
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It's amazing to think that even just Jon's story could be an entire book series in itself. It staggers me to consider how George wrote all these intertwined, indepth stories of ASOIAF.
Its honestly insane how it all intertwines. I've spent countless times wondering how he does it all in his head.
I honestly love the interconnected storylines as well, but he might have made it too complicated to finish now. Hopefully I am proven wrong.
Unfortunately that’s the book’s Achilles heel. Too complicated that even the author himself has no way to progress the story.
And now he's crushed under the weight of so much story
Be nice if he also finished the book series he decided to start
The problem is that we’re never going to see A Dream of Spring lmao
I’m very doubtful about winds of winter as well
You can slowly hear his resentment of the TV show the further along this video goes lol
literally gasped omfg
i'm glad this is the first comment i saw, same vibe.
Same
Same!!
Saw the video. Saw the length. Exclaimed "Oh shit!"
Yall too excited over garbage.
I’m 1 second in and just want to say I’m amazed and so so happy this video ended up over 2 hours long. We’ve missed you, Shifty. Thanks for everything you do.
I hope shifty knows how happy he made many thousands of people by uploading!
“Jon isn’t a great warrior” is a good line to differentiate the intellectual nature of Book-Jon vs Show-Jon but it’s not 100% true. GRRM goes to some lengths to make it clear that Jon’s a talented, well trained young fighter but relatively green (not unlike Rhaegar) and still a teenager. It’s made very clear in ADWD that Mance Rayder is an exceptionally impressive warrior (he defeated the True North’s best warriors to become King, beating Styr four times while managing not to kill him), whom Jon held his own against despite getting the worse of it and then remarks the necessity of such learning experiences in training. So, yes, Jon is not a great warrior……. Not yet anyway
Stannis: *Ok, I'm off to beat the shit out of Roose Bolton!*
Jon: *Yesss, ladssss!*
Stannis: *...but I'm leaving my wife here with you!*
Jon: *Gods damn it!*
I cannot begin to describe how much it satisfies me that you attach book-accurate art or edits for everything. Truly the best channel.
Had to restrain myself watching the first season and seeing Jon with brown eyes... truly, this is a triumph
AI art though...
The purpose isn't to highlight human artwork, but to create a real depiction from book description.
Note where there is art available the artists are noted. @@alvaroprieto2092
@@alvaroprieto2092If you can't tell the difference between something made by a robot or something made by a person does it really matter how it was made? Just enjoy the artwork.
@@Karlach_ Yes. It matters.
The idea of Jon returning to that cave to stay there forever sent knives through my heart.
really, why? Jon's thought you refer to, struck me as a bit of sweet nostalgia for Jon. Those moments in the cave with Ygritte, are probably the only moments of true happiness Jon has ever known in his entire young life.
And obviously Jon knows they could literally not stay there forever as they need food of course, so he's clearly just imagining, before he is forced to put it aside by the cold hard reality of his life.
@@robertmaybeth3434it feels like similar of the story of Merlin death, Merlin pursued love of a woman who did not love him and that path led him to being trapped in a cave forever, and Merlin knew this would happen yet stayed his course. While Jon tried to not love Ygritte yet he ended up failing, but he knew that he’d have to return to the watch but he’d have to leave Ygritte behind. So for him to end up in the cave after choosing duty over love, feels so twisted but also appropriate, trapped in the only place he’s ever known love. Brutal but I love it
While Jon has known happiness with the Wildlings, he is still very young and his time north of the wall (relatively speaking) was like good times he had at college. They are good times, and he will look back fondly, but I think he knows that he wouldn't be happy living with the wildlings in the long term. Of course it does appeal to him to be more equal, since he has such a chip on his shoulder, but equally just being "another dude" is not going to satisfy him. He is just not that kind of guy.
@@lostalone9320 but he's unlikely to be 'just another dude' with the wildlings either. They still have authority & respect among themselves - but through recognition of what they've done & what they're capable of, not how they were born. With or without Blood Raven pulling the strings, Jon has shown pretty definitively that he can earn respect & hold authority.
I've had a theory on Jon's resurrection for a while. Jon's corpse becomes a matter of contention on what people want to do with it. Some like the Wildlings and Watch want to burn it for obvious reasons while Melisandre and Stannis want it preserved, Melisandre for religious reasons while Stannis might want him burried in the Winterfell crypts out of respect and honor. Meanwhile Jaime and Brienne convince Lady Stoneheart to let Jaime take the Black. Untrusting of Jaime, she decides to escort him to Castle Black herself. Jon's body is preserved by the cold and Melisandre's magic long enough for Lady Stoneheart to arrive at either Castle Black or Winterfell if the Baratheons take it and transfer Jon's body there. Either way, LSH sees Jon and sees him as the spitting image of Ned. She realizes that Jon is perhaps the last remnant of Ned and Robb and that she has the power to save him, unlike them. She then passes her life force to him like Beric did for her. And so a Dragon is born from a Stone heart. This would hold a lot of significance for a ressurected Jon who had a lot of trauma thanks to Cat. It also closes Cat's story and arc pretty well. Finally, loving the bastard symbolizes a turn in fortune for the Starks as they all begin to come together and gain power.
I love it
The cold preserves. But here we are talking of months of travel. Too much in my opinion.
Another possibility (to me) is that Lady S will discover that Jane Westerling is pregnant with Robb son and has escaped with the Blackfish. Jane will die of childbirth and the child too, but LS will revive the boy rediscovering she has not lost everything. She is a grandma.
Nevertheless you're right. The wildlings would like to burn Jon, while the nightwatchmen would not. Bowen is still "a good man". In the meantime Shereen illness will worsen and maybe start spreading. So in the end Melisandre will set a pyre for Jon and shereen. Paying one life with the other death and mimicking Dany's birth of the dragon scene. That will also allow Jon to lose his dark hair and regrow whiter one.
@hobbes1887 idk. Months might be a stretch. A month or two, maybe. Westeros is big, but the Riverlands is right next to the North. Also, that is why I also said Malisandre could preserve his body with her magic as well.
@@2ndlegend125 I really don't see any "real magic in Melisandre, not a magic to preserve at least. She is a fire priestess, she consumes, lusts, destroys, burns. She blinds and mocks and glimmers. But I doubt she can protect, preserve or "freeze" the time.
Said that yes the Riverlands are under the north. But the north is a festering wound. The neck is a hellhole, the north is infested with ironborns, Boltons, warbands , staving people and war orphans. The winter is pressing. The easy route, the Kings Road is not the same as at the beginning of AGOT
Dune reader: excuse Mr funny do you think this is funny?
GRRM: in a sort of cosmic way yes
Imagine Melisandre tries to rezz Jon in TWOW and his spirit just goes "I don' wun it", and we never see him again
lol
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We need a whole serie about the real *insert character*. You have captivating way of describing this, and I sure would watch those again, and again, thank so much for all the effort and time !
Please please please!! “Real” is a great idea that should go on!!
I vote a video about the ‘real’ Daenerys next!
I cannot wait for "The Real Shitmouth"
this is really such an amazing video please make more
I'm such a sucker for correcting faulty depictions, so entire video essays dedicated to just that (filled with accurate art or edits) is so unbelievably far up my alley lol
your video essays slap, please continue making them!
Bold of George to say, "It will be a very different ending from the TV show," when he and we alike both know it's not going to end.
"In the book, it's more complicated" sums up so many things across ASOIAF lol
And as more time passes without release of WOW , maybe not for the better.
@@saruboss18 Too true, sadly
it's also infinitely more interesting than the show XD
When Alt says this one simple thing, my depression fades away.
"In the books" = 😤🤚
"In the novels" = ☺️👉
I both love and hate how us as a fandom chose to ignore that Ned also has a temper
So did his brother and father.
@@zoumascat3746 Right?! Ned loses it at people all the time. Catelyn even says “his anger was on him” and that she has never seen him “that angry” which means she has seen him angry more than once to be able to compare? And in his inner monologue he definitelly gets angry all the time. IDK if this is the influence of the show, like people saying how him and Jon have no personality, but theirs are some of my favourite jokes in the books
Ned got that dawg in him.
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195he has a normal temper, he gets angry sometimes but not constantly
Ned's 'Quiet Wolf' moniker isn't people saying he's passive and doesn't get mad. It's them saying he doesn't go carousing and openly raging like other lords do. He definitely still has a temper.
The quality of your work is unmatched. Glad to see your channel and GOT still getting love
What makes me sad is how crappy the latter half of the TV show was and, possibly, how Winds Of Winter and A Dream of Spring may never be finished for true fans of ASOIAF.
Man this comment is probably gonna be lost in the thousands that are here. But I just wanted to say thank you for all the hard work you put into all these videos. The amount of research and reading that you have obviously put into making a video is awesome. I always look forward to when you post anything. Just wanted to say your channel is fucking awesome and you're dope. Thanks!
+1 Man is quality machine, not only he makes hours long deep dives into theories, differences between books and tv show and scour every page to find some obscure character saying one sentence to make theories more believable. Even though most of them are stupid (Watch Alt Schwift X 7 hour video called "Ultimate ASOIAF Theory Iceberg" where he summarizes theories and hints about them being true/completely false done LIVE FROM HIS BIG HEAD). The only content I don't watch is from House of the Dragon because I don't want any spoilers but I don't have time to watch it and I'm afraid that it's bad and it will ruin GoT's magic for me.
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Yeah alt shift x ASOIAF lore videos are incredible and the amount of effort and dedication put into them really shows in their quality. One of the best YT channels
Man. These books must be the most complicated thing to write. Every plot and character is so deep and Well thought out.
I always caught myself thinking: have this motherfucker thinked all that from the first book? The targaryens, all the past characters, the stories it all fits so well.
It's precisely cause they were not well thought out, is why the story and books will never be finished. George is a gardener. Unfortunately.
@@ElVnugoThe story grew out of his scope.
#IbelieveinGeorge ❤
Like Jonah, George was swallowed by the Great Leviathan.
Incredible video. Enjoyed every bit of it. Thanks for continuing to make ASOIAF content!
I’ve always loved your videos but this one hits different. Top tier work.
the sad face after "jon won't be a dog forever" in the captions at 1:17:38 is so perfect.
I like how GRRM has libraries worth of lore and stories that are just random background that are nonchalantly brought up in casual conversations in the book.
Why he was perfect to collaborate with Fromsoft for Elden Ring
@@shaunsmith9013 from what i heard he really didn't do much for elden ring, it came across more as PR hype ngl, but if you know different I'd be interested in learning
from what i understand thats largely correct. hes responsible for creating the names and structure of queen marika's lineage and didnt have any part regarding the details of the actual lore of the game @@thejewles1611
@@thejewles1611he made all the lore before the shattering only the twisting of it afterwards was the work of from so he did quite a lot
@@thejewles1611 He apparently made all of the context, the Greater Will, the demi-god family tree etc, up until Marika shattered the elden ring, then fromsoft took the world he created and did their post-apocolyptic magic with it
That was an absolutely amazing video, thank you to everyone who contributed! ❤
Keep putting these out and I'll keep watching them.
Dude I have a love/hate relationship with your vids, because they make me so hyped about books that will never come out.
The man IS making a history book video about fantasy books for 50 years in future
@@Morfe02 GRRM invents the cure to mortality so he can spend even more time not finishing his books
The books will come out. Eventually. Only 4 more to go!
@@owlsayssouththe man’s 75. He’s not finishing the books. The rest of the books will be left in the hand of the fans. Which maybe isn’t a bad thing because George said season 7 and 8 were really good
No LITERALLY
It’s like the more I sink into the books the less the show seems to me
I'm grateful for some of the visual shots from the show, and the casting was excellent, but other than that...
@@baselhills865 The show was good for as long as there was content to adapt from the source material. In a sense GRRM is also responsible for the final season.
@@BionickpunkGRRM is to blame to an extent, but to say the show was good as long as it had material is just false. S5 and 6 decided to go in their own, completely different (and bad) direction when they had two whole, unadapted books (AFFC/ADWD)
Read all the books first and still havent watched the show because I know it will be disappointing
@@obi-wankenobi7725 If I recall correctly its with Season 5 when the start deviating from the source material a lot and when the dumbed down dialogue started. And yes, 6 was also derailing it.
I absolutely love your videos. Its not only that your voice add suspense but its also calming. The details are nice. Im starting to read the books now
Legendary video, sincere thanks to everyone who made this possible!
Don’t forget that “The White Wolf” is a direct reference to Elric of Melnibone, an Albino King with a magic sword. So that actually hints how Jon might have white hair, red eye and a magic fire sword.
Elric references are rife in the series. I personally like what George has done with the look
One of Azor Ahai's many names is "Eldric Shadowchaser"
george rr martin already said that bloodraven is based of that character
Yeah I had a bit of a realization that the Valyrians are basically Melnibones driving home from work today TBH.
The theory I always liked was one involving Jon's actual body being burnt. Some First Nations legends hold that shapeshifters were the result of men who could "spirit walk", but their bodies die and their spirits get stuck in animals. Their animal bodies can't speak, and some strong emotion causes them to revert to human form. In that case, Jon would have white hair and red eyes.
I burst out laughing when Michael Scott yelling "parkour!" came in out of nowhere. Well done lmao
same here :D that was so well placed and unexpected, super funny!
When?
@MrKi 31:05
And it's so fitting hahahah
Never thought that GOT and The Office would intersect so well 🤣 truly a masterpiece 😊
The quality and depth of your presentation is unparalleled imo well done once again
so happy to see a new video of yours, your content is unmatched!😄
Daenerys: I'm pregnant
Jon: I don't want it
I just went through all seven hells by laughing at that 😂
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Haha men impregnating women and refusing to take responsibility for their own children is so funny
That “parkour” cut from the Office as Jon chases Ygritte was comedy gold
Yessssss what a banger of a video! Thank you! Looking forward to the next one!
It is amazing to see you back here! Thank you for your work and dedication!
I’ll die on this hill.
Conflating the three eyed crow and Bloodraven as the same entity is the same mistake bran is making that will eventually dearly cost him.
We have zero evidence to support them being the same entity and have significant evidence to support the fact that Bloodraven himself is wholly unfamiliar with the three eyed crow.
George makes a point of symbolically separating ravens from crows.
Ravens represent knowledge and wisdom. Information.
Crows represent death, decay, and rot.
Bloodraven only inhabits ravens (amongst other creatures) but never EVER crows.
Making the assumption that what awoke brans power and who called him beyond the wall are the same thing i believe is a dangerous assumption to make.
There are no weirwoods on old wyck and yet Euron was visited by the crow.
I like this. What/who do you think the three eyed raven could be?
It is striking that when Bran finally meets Bloodraven, Bran says to Bloodraven; "You are who I've been looking for, The Three Eyed Crow!"
And Bloodraven just looks down at Bran like: "A... Crow..?" Like he has NO CLUE what Bran is talking about.
@@kimblandino yeah he thinks it’s weird he used wildling phrasing to describe him as a member of the nightswatch which is CLEARLY not what bran meant.
@@JacobGrim could be an avatar of the old gods. I’ve also heard it could be that future bran is the three eyed crow and he ouroboros style ALWAYS awoke his own powers so that he could eventually awake his own powers. So on and so forth. I personally don’t know but I’m strongly of the opinion George has given us enough to be suspicious of the fact that the tree wizard has no idea what bran means when he asks if he’s the magical three eyed crow entity that visited him in his dreams.
George likes doing this. Conflating two similar things as the same thing to the detriment of the characters and the audience.
@@Prince_Luci Bloodraven tried to recruit Euron and Euron went rogue as the Three Eyed Crow.
Euron's use of Sweet Sleep might allow him to telepathically access this sort of dream realm where he can influence the dreams of Wargs/Greenseers.
My prediction is that Lady Stoneheart will go to the wall looking for Arya, she did capture Breane who was heading north looking for he daughters. She will find a dead Jon but no Arya and decide Jon is her best hope at saving her children. She will pass her life to Jon the same way Baric did for her. It's a bit of a redemption for Katlyn for how she's treated Jon. And also Lady Stoneheart fits for stone giving birth to a dragon.
ooh I hope so
Better explanation than Melissandre doing all the Magic work
My guess is that GRRM is seeing these videos and reading all these comments and getting so many good ideas that the next book is going to be huuuuge, probably going to be splitted in many parts... ah no it's just me dreaming, of course there is no next book coming, not in this life at least
But it will take her too long to reach the wall. Last that was heard of LSH was she was near the neck. A whole kingdom away from the wall.
This is nice but I honestly believe Selyse and Melisandre will burn Shireen against Stannis's will while he's away to resurrect Jon.
Alt Shift X man you are absolute stud for making these videos. All your content is 10/10 brother keep up the good work!
All I can think about this whole video when you put it all together is how young Jon is, it’s just so heartbreaking the weight on his shoulders. Especially with how schwift uses the book accurate photo the whole time.
There are characters that are going through worst, Theon, dany, arya, sansa
@@Aydan2108So? That doesn't change anything.
@@HOTD108_ it pretty much does, y'all need to stop making jon seem like this big victim when he is not.
There are many things that are excusable because of their age in the books that are inexcusable in the show because of their age.
@@Aydan2108smartest anti jon crusader
Dude honestly, thank you for staying with this series despite how hard it can be as a book fan these days. I became a new fan and read the whole series in one go after season 2 of the show in 2012/2013, and thought for sure Winds would be out in a matter of years at most. Since then, book nuances were overwritten in my mind with show-canon, and now almost 6 years after the finale, I’ve been left wondering why I even liked the series in the first place. This video just reminded me why I was so sucked into the world and characters, and so thanks for re-kindling my interest and hope that we might get some closure from George.
Absolutely agree with you on the point that show has overwritten all the nuances of the books.
"Things just happens cause the writer wanted it to happen" nature of the later seasons is the only thing I remember.
I am due a reread long time now. If only winds will be announced. Would be a joyous reread
@@anomanderrake5434I think the show is a great entry, the books are an amazing in depth look for people who want more. And you’ll end up liking it more than the show 100% that’s how it went for me
You liked the show becuase first three seasons are actually decent, regardless how close or not they derive from the original. This show that I too regretably watched to the end prevented me from doing the same with netflix Witcher. I watched first season that was great and didnt bother with the rest seeing how south they went.
Re-read the books and feel the joy
You just articulated exactly how I feel and we have nearly the exact same experience and timeline. I'm hopeful for the future books!
Just want to say you're amazing at what you do mate! Always a pleasure to watch
Thanks for this amazing Video... Your best so far... Now we need one for every char alive in Winds of Winter :D I expect one every week :D
If Jon is undead and his heart isn’t beating, will his penis still work?
Asking the hard questions.
Brilliant lol
We do not know and therefore cannot say for certain. Sorry to disappoint you with such a soft answer.
@@truth6441 it’s a real Schrödinger’s Dong situation until we get Winds
I've literally thought of this too much
I see what you did there.
I’m currently rereading A Dance with Dragons, and it’s increased my appreciation for Jon tenfold. Thank you for making a video honoring this great character who is often misperceived because of the show.
Now I need to make a 2 hour video on the superior Jon, Jon Connington.
Heresy.
The con himself!
Quinn and Shifty crossover please and thank you
What do you think of Jon's decisions in Dance?
Only 2 hours Quinn? You've got to step it up Quinn
Incredible video, thank you Alt Shift X.
I was thinking about Asoias the last few days, seeing you posted about Jon Snow brings me joy, good story to hear during the evening.
If Ghost has to die for Jon to get back to his body, it would not only make sense for him to be able to then bond to a dragon, but also narratively it would be fitting as him killing his Stark side and embracing his Targaryen side.
DO NOT PUT THAT OUT INTO THE UNIVERSE. ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Ending it as a potential sacrifice of the dragon as well leads excellently. He's not defined by his Stark or his Targaryen side. He's just Jon.
Jon being Targeryen feels so lame dont know why
@@ShannMcG716 dont worry, the story will never be finished. I hope im wrong.
@K.a.t.-it1psI know right? I think this is one thing that they did right with the character in the show, by giving him the choice to renounce his targaryen origin. Jon is still barely 17 in the books, for him to be defined as a targaryen feels.. fitting in the books' lore but not in his arc, he wants to prove himself, to belong someplace deep down, to be more than a lowborn bastard. Jon's journey is similar to Sandor or the Elder Brother in a Feast For Crows in a way; They die, and they rebirth, and what comes out can be better(most likely) or worse.
Actually awesome video.
The Azor Ahai criticism at the end was top notch. After discussing for so long how John is definitely set up to be Azor Ahai, and how making peace with the white walkers isn’t worth doing, you also turn around and say, “but who would want to follow in the foot steps of a man who murdered his wife for a magic sword?”
Which like, damn, when you put it that way, I think the Azor Ahai prophecy is more of a curse than some sort of blessing. It’s not saying “you will be a great hero” it’s saying “you will find the power you need by sacrificing others.”
That is a genuinely interesting idea. So much the fandom discussed the prophecy as something needed and ultimately good, when if looked upon from another perspective, the flaws of it are just as evident
Ye
I think azor ahai is more someone who is made rather than someone who was pre ordained.
@@unscripted483indeed.
But then again, Love is the death of Duty. Maybe by sacrificing his Love, he can accomplish his duty that was destined. So many ways this could go.
i cant thank you enough for the videos you make. I absolutely love them and watch them over and over
Dude you're so thorough, thoughtful, and passionate. Thank you for sharing your work with us 🖤
Gotta put respect on Jon’s name as a warrior. We were shown in dance that he’s strong enough to rip a spear out of the ground that took 3 or 4 grown men to take. His fight with mance/rattleshirt ended with him wrestling on the ground. It’s a lot closer than anyone remembers. And mance became king by defeating countless opponents while Jon has half the experience.
Jon doesn’t fight at the front lines because he’s a bad warrior it’s because that’s stupid. A giant died, and Robb doesn’t go into a fight without a bodyguard group.
all that was meant is that the books arent the kind of story where you go on the battlefield and start chopping people up left and right just because youre an important character and theyre not (unless youre top tier like Arthur Dayne, Jaime Lannister, Barristan Selmy).
If Jon went on the frontlines in battle, he would kill a couple people and then die, in all likelihood
This world isn't real Brian, please wake up. We miss you
@@sashimi879 what are you on about?
@@danielcurado5261 Shift said Jon was not a warrior two or three times. The comments were made about Jon's apparent lack of skill and I'm saying he is skilled. I just got done watching a two hour video of his its the lightest of light criticism.
Shift talked about Jon's training being what turns him into a warrior when thats jon just wanting to fight cause he likes it and thinks he needs to get better. If it was about how the world wasn't made for one man to single-handedly kill 20 people id agree.
@@brianlowe904 I think he means Jon is not a "great warrior", which is true, and I think he meant it in the context of comparing him to TV Jon specifically. he doesnt have the amount of experience or on-page accomplishments to claim to be a particularly great warrior. we know he is well-trained and at least reasonably skilled for someone without much experience, but there arent any grounds to claim anything beyond that.
That direwolf scene in the show is what got me in the first place. And Jon says, "Lord Stark" when he is addressing Ned in that direwolf speech. He knows what he's doing.
This is such an informative and incredible video your are an absolute beast for putting this together enjoyed every minute so damn good.
Amazing video, my friend!! Thank you for all the effort!!
1:18:47 Shireen also tells Cressen in the ACOK prologue how she dreamed that a dragon ate her. So yeah, the future's not looking bright for Shireen.
In a way its looking *really bright*
@@arawn1061 I shouldn't be laughing at that as hard as I am!
@@arawn1061Man I love dark humor 😂😂
Show Jon: checkers
Book Jon: chess
Show Jon isnt even playing checkers mf is playing Connect Four 😂
@@francescapatti2934 HAHAHA
Amazing video, so well researched. I look forward to The Real Dolorous Edd video.
This video made me fall in love with the story again, AltShift X never fails to make a high quality GOT/ASOIAF content
How TF does a 2 hour video go by so quickly?
This guy's essays are so good and flow so well... They really do justice to the topic of talking asoiaf
omg this really is two hours i thought it was like 30 minutes tops
Time flies when you are having fun
I love these "real" character studies between the book and show. You should do more of them!
hes been working on this one for over a year i believe, they take loads of time evidently
Watch Tyrion and ALL other videos
What an excellent deep-dive character study. So well done and presented. You balance information, imagination, and humor so well. Bravo.
These videos are phenomenal! I always look 4ward to the next story. Thank u 4 the hard wrk and dedication👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Starting to understand why GRRM is at a standstill with the books. There are too many possibilities for how to continue the story
Literally pick one and just write it. Just make a flowchart. It's just excuses.
He also has too many concurrent plotlines. These are just the possibilities regarding Jon's arc. GRRM has a problem where he gets bored of characters and plotlines before finishing them so he moves on to something new. Over the years this has stacked up. He's tried to solve some of this by killing characters but he always digs himself deeper.
some threads that still need to be resolved;
Jon and The White Walkers
Dany and the Iron Throne
The Dornish Plot and Young Griff
Littlefingers Schemes
Euron Greyjoys Machinations
Arya and The Faceless Men
Bran, Bloodraven, and the Children
Lady Stoneheart and the Riverlands
Tyrion and his Uncle Gerion
most of these intersect with each other in some fashion, but thats at least 10 POV characters right there. These plots dont intersect cleanly, they connect like a conspiracy string board, and the characters are separated by vast in world distances and have a variety of differing goals and projected destinations(both physically and thematically). Most if not all of these plotlines are full of "conspiracies" "schemes" "prophecies" "mysteries" and the like that have to be carefully revealed to the reader to maximize impact. This is very realistic, but also very difficult to manage.
There was supposed to be a time skip after the third or fourth book, and the one after that would have been the finale, but George got so carried away with his side characters/plots that weve now had essentially three books worth of filler and spin off. Not to mention literal spin offs like Dunk & Egg, or the History books.
@@Arcessitor Then be upset that you didn't like it 😂
Getting Daenerys out of Meereen alone will take some serious doing and time. She is aware what happens when she leaves someone in charge of a city, and won't tolerate a repeat.
How dare you remind me that I used to genuinely enjoy this series. Awesome video, can't wait to never finish reading the books and remembering that the show completely failed to stick the landing
the ending in the show was pretty good in theory, the execution was ass. From a feast for crows we see how brutal war is and how anti war grrm is. It doesnt make sense that he would show the brutality of the War of the Five Kings and then glorify Dany's conquest and acsension as the 'rightful' heir.
if they hsd just tied up loose ends and not made the long night into an episode long joke, plus avoided all the retardation from s7 and s6, i believe the ending wouldve been pretty good
@Name.exeNotFound-pu1qt The show ending would have been perfectly fine if the characters weren't all brain dead and outlined their reasoning. LF definitely gets out of his element in the North and Sansa flips the table on him. Bran as omniscient tree king works. Dany gets ruthless.
Dany can totally justify being a tyrant at this point. When she returns from being lost in the dothraki sea, she has to confront the disease, starvation, and general devastation her leadership style caused. Maybe its because I just reread the last two together, but there's a lot of political talk between the two about having to be ruthless to curb suffering.
It’s alright George will never finish writing them…
I do hold out small hope we’ll get winds someday but I’m doubtful. The series is really great I agree
The last season was...
Best season ever!
probably 10x times ive watched your video by now, I love your as a content creator
Excellent piece of work, I watch it as a film/documentary. Thank you for all the effort and dedication