Blackfyre Rebellions: House Targaryen’s greatest enemies
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- In the Game of Thrones books, the Blackfyres were the greatest enemies of House Targaryen for a hundred years. What happened in the Blackfyre Rebellions and the War of the Ninepenny Kings? Why did Daemon Blackfyre rebel against King Daeron II? How were Bittersteel, Bloodraven and Shiera Seastar involved? Is Young Griff a Blackfyre? What do the Blackfyre Rebellions mean for the fate of the Iron Throne and Westeros in the end of ASOIAF?
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0:00 Aegon IV and Daemon
2:51 King Daeron
04:37 Bittersteel and Bloodraven
06:29 First Rebellion
08:34 Second Rebellion
10:34 Third Rebellion
12:01 Great Council
15:01 Fourth Rebellion
16:15 Ninepenny Kings
19:11 Young Griff
23:34 Slayer of Lies
25:59 Green King
I swear I know more about the Targaryen dynasty than real history at this point
It certainly helps in books there's no radical revisionists that can talk back to you in real life. Its just the print, and what you can get from it.
@@sithmaster4305 facts
Happens to the best of us
Same
I guess you really do know nothing
"So Bittersteel was bitter". This is the kind of deep analysis and critical thinking that keeps me coming back to this channel lol.
Homeless Harry is homeless
Some say he is also made of steel.
@@Trustworthy_McLegitimatehome is where your rump rests
Halfman is half the size of a man...
The mad king is well mad lol
The fact that Egg named one of his kids “Duncan the small” after Duncan the tall has to be the best detail in the entire series
it's for sure the sweetest detail!
Pity that son turned out to be so shortsighted and caused so many problems for his family.
@@kevinneutzling8267 He didn't fuck his sister, that monster
@@kevinneutzling8267 just like his namesake. Man Egg really just knew that name would be perfect
Pp8p
Hearing the theory of Bran becoming king as a puppet of the Three-Eyed Raven makes me think that George told D&D, "Bran will be king in the end," but didn't elaborate beyond that.
Yeah, that would explain alot. Kinda feel bad for D&D but also angry that they couldn’t just get the agency to write their own story they thought would fit.
Bran being king is probably best ending, but being a puppet is honestly a turn off
@@mohdshahariar5833 how is that a good ending?
@@operatorwc684 No one will likely be king, there is a high chance of a long term peace era, that is if Bran is of conscious mind
@@mohdshahariar5833 I've always preferred the theory that Bran will become increasingly evil and depraved in his quest to get the Iron Throne and he's basically unrecognizable by the end
That virgin vs chad format had me rolling with laughter
Dude same 😂😂
yeah it was lovely lmao
That was freaking priceless!
Yeah, ngl, that made me laugh.
That's what I'm living for
Fun fact: Robert Baratheon and Rhaegar Targaryen were literally second cousins. Robert’s Rebellion was kind of just another familial civil war.
That's pretty much every civil war during feudalism. It's the reasons the Ottoman Sultans slaughtered all their siblings when they inherited the throne.
@@redrave404 After a while, they just house arrest their siblings in these buildings and palaces. So, if the current Sultan died without any (male) heirs or the kid in question is on the young side, at least you have a couple of appropriately aged 'spares.' Also on the plus side, not many people want to commit familicide, even if it's for the 'good' of the realm, so this was a 'compromise' of sorts.
@delli delli Sure, it’s not a Perfect System but by the 1600s, The Power base of Istanbul were getting sick of seeing/hearing about the News of how their new Sultan killed their helpless little brothers. Fratercide, as an official state policy, just doesn’t fly anymore by the 17th century.
This conversation is strangely interesting
@@helafed indeed.
I completely buy into Young Griff being a Blackfire. It just makes so much more sense than him actually being Aegon.
And it would've been better if (unlike Joffrey) Griff knows he's a Blackfyre, but is pretending to be a Targaryen to not get himself killed, we saw how Robert reacted when he knew that Dany was pregnant, imagine how he would react if he discovered that his best friend/Hand of the King and his Master of Whisperers were hiding a Targaryen prince and a Blackfyre pretender behind his back!
@@PedroLucas-mg5je Targaryen or Blackfyre I don't care man...I want them back on the throne
@@buzzkill36 "Black or red, a dragon is still a dragon" - Illyrio Mopatis
@@PedroLucas-mg5je hell yeah...I want the dragons back... Enough of these usurpers acting tough
I fucking want griff to be Aegon so bad
Gotta give it to Golden Company for staying loyal to their commitment of putting a Blackfyre on the throne
Well, their word _is_ as good as gold.
well they are mercenary, as long you pay them they will be loyal
@@dafuqmr13 they are loyal to Blackfyre not for money
I think it's more driven by Bittersteel's hatred for Bloodraven and the fact that he felt cucked by Bloodraven for having Shiera Seastar 😂😂😂😂
Some contracts are writ in ink, and some in blood. I say no more."
House targaryen: "no one can defeat me"
House targaryen but slightly different: "think again"
Robert Baratheon be are you sure about that
House Targaryen but in dark mode
@@faisalkamal4319 Targaryen but dark mode
More like house Targaryen - only I can defeat me
they did say the only thing that can bring down the house of the dragon is itself
Think we can all agree that George RR Martin is probably one of the coolest people when it comes to things like this. He's created a world filled with drama and history over hundreds of years.
There's only really Tolkien who has done it better, having done the same but over millennia. But even then Tolkien's writing is more like the Bible, where as GRRM writes like modern historians.
Most of its just ripped from actual history
@@danhaggerty847 like most fantasy buddy.
The Epic of High Lord Ambatakum was especially poignant.
@@danhaggerty847 and most of Tolkien is just illogical craddle-stories
The Targaryens’ greatest enemy was always themselves. The Dance of the Dragons, the Blackfyre Rebellions, Robert’s Rebellion, the inevitable Dany/Faegon conflict. Their lust for power was always their undoing, even at the brink of extinction.
Brilliantly well put
Not only their lust for power, their irresponsible actions have caused major damage, in fact many kings and their heirs were irresponsible, which is why there was so much chaos.
You don't say? Almost as if that's the points of their conflicts in the story.
A house divided cannot stand
@@merrittanimation7721 true
"Duncan The Small, who is probably named after Duncan The Tall" Another solid theory!
Theory? I thought it was a well-known fact.
@@szbszig you missed the joke
Big if true!
@@Shadriand wow maybe George should make some prequels about this!
George R.R. Martin has been surprisingly quiet on this. No bullshit, it's actually _not_ confirmed.
EDIT: I mean he's been asked specifically and refused to confirm or deny if Duncan the Small is named after Duncan the Tall.
“This was 20 years after the first rebellion and these guys were still fighting over who got to root their sister” what a phrase lmao.
Damn. even 50 years after his age Daemon was revered as 'the wonder and the terror of his age'
GOALS.
Dam straight 😎
It's funny how people admire criminals and tyrant that don't threaten them. Those same people praise Tywin and condemn Stalin, lol
Everyone else can keep their Mannis we’ve got a Rogue Prince 🎵
The fact that Quentyn Ball joined Daemon the moment he didn't have his way shows how wise Daeron was to not accept him to kingsguard.
Yea I’m just 😊😊
The dude sent his wife to the silent sisters based on the promise of it. I couldn’t feel bad for him after that
I mean he was literally promised a spot and divorced his wife and she had to join a religious order of silent nun/morticians to take his promised spot and then daeron became king and changed his mind on his fathers offer
@@Abysalssyou can't really call it changing his mind when it wasn't his offer. Sure, certain obligations must be honored by the next of kin, but I don't think you can really hold him to this one
@@Kondoor249 I guess changing his mind isn’t the right offer but more rescinded his fathers offer
It’s funny how Robert is technically still Aegon the Conqueror’s descendant in that opening
Yes and Stannis who is still alive !
Wasn't the first Baratheon Aegon the Conqueror's brother?
@@felixhirschenhauser2728 half-brother, ye
@@felixhirschenhauser2728 it’s implied yeah
Tbh his grandma was a targaryen
Maelys truly has the strength of one man... and one baby
Lol that reminded me of Dwight from The Office
I DIED HSHSUSGSYS
Underrated comment... even tho ASX rated it.
Barristan the badass carved him like carving a cake
I can't believe the show completely omitted the Young Griff plotline. This is the first time I'm hearing of it and I want to see a show/movie adaptation of it. Come on, an exiled prince who's supposedly the last of House Targaryen's biggest rival/obstacle and has the biggest potential to win the Game of Thrones before Daenerys even sets foot on Westeros, that's made for the silver screen!
We have this whole backstory to the blackfyres for a reason, perhaps.
This plot line in the books, believe it or not, was very controversial. Many thought it was pointless and questioned why GRRM is bringing in a whole new claimant to the throne. When he was cut from Season 5 it was regarded as a good call. I was always one of those that defended Young Griff.
And then Season 8 happened, and everybody realised "Oh, I guess Griff is more important to the story then we thought" there was a post in the subreddit basically saying that removing Young Griff is the source for Dany's plotline falling apart. Turns out the incredibly meticulous author has an intent of grave importance for a character that was foreshadowed several books ago lol.
To toot my own horn a little, it was a great hit of vindication. Better than heroin.
I and MANY others think that Varys the Spider is a secret Blackfyre. He shaves his head to not give his platinum hair away. "Varys" sounds like a Targaryen name. Varys is POSSIBLY Shira Seastars son. Varys got his balls cut off in a bloodmagic ritual because of his kings blood. And Varys plot is all for young Griff to take the iron throne for the Blackfyres
Been honest the blackfire plotline was kind hard, before reading "the dunk and egg tales" and "world of ice and fire" it was a little hard to keep up with only the information in the original series. The blackfires in the TV show would seems like almost a retcon
@Randell Goering Varys could possibly be a Blackfyre because of what you said but not the son of Shiera Seastar because he would be too old. Instead the brother of Serra, the possible Blackfyre wife of Ilyrio
I like how Blackfyre is essentially an allegory for how one's greatest enemy is often the one of their own making.
I often don't like when authors lie how they had it all planned from the beginning and fill their stories with retcons, but seeing how neatly the War of the Ninepenny Kings brings all the fathers and grandfathers of so many characters together and ties seamlessly into the main story just blows my mind
@deh Actually, if you watch a lot of his interviews, GRRM says he know where the story will end and he knows the fate of the characters, it's just the journey he is still walking through with them. I think what really sets him apart is the ability to have a plan, wonder around to it, yet still get there. It creates such an organic story.
@@ravenechoseven9726 … which is why it’s taken 11+ years for another book.
@@ravenechoseven9726 Right, I guess we are still pretending that Martin hasn't written himself into a corner he doesn't know how to get out in a satisfactory manner, hence why he is never going to finish the books lol
There's no way it was planned but at the same time its almost shocking how much it all links
Yeah. Another thing great about GRRM is that he actually takes (or took) fan theories into account when filling in back stories or lore for other houses.
If someone had a great idea, he'd accept it as canon. He even hired a superfan to be his loremaster and point out where things contradicted with previously established material.
"They don't want Aegon to be king cause he travelled with this hedge knight... And got these crazy ideas that peasants should have rights and stuff..." I can't believe how hard I laughed at this LOL
Kinda like the scene from S8E6 where Sam suggested letting the smallfolk elect the next king lmao
@@nicholaskenneth113 that was actually a good bit among that mess didn't they say something like "hahaha sure and then let the donkeys vote?" 😂
@@devanman7920 but why did yara laugh? The iron islands have democracy
@@leonrussell9607 To be fair, it is only ship captains who participate in the voting process in an Ironborn Kingsmoot
@@leonrussell9607 They really don't. They're, at best, an oligarchy.
damn, knowing daemon in the heat of battle helped his wounded enemy get to safety only to be peppered with arrows by his half brother kind just hurts man
It be your own people sometimes.
He was the true king and young griff will sit on the iron throne
No good deed will go unpunished
He rebelled against the brother that gave him lands and a wife, he deserves it.
And there is no honorable deeds that will erase the fact that he started a war and betrayed the brother that was pretty generous with him.
Lines like "they finally convinced Daemon to rebel", and Daemon helping the wounded cobray get to safety, they paint Daemon as a rather decent man. Maybe even a good man, manipulated into being the face of a rebelion, that was orchestrated by greedy lords who just wanted more power. Perheaps Daemon really was the brother Bloodraven loved.
King Daemon Blackfyre was a great man🖤🖤🖤🖤
Long Live House Blackfyre.
Given all the tragic ironies of this series, that would probably be the case.
Alt Shift keeping the fandom aflame while we wait for Winds(if it'll ever be written)
Oh winds is coming. I bet we will get it close to the premier of House of the Dragon. But we will NEVER get the end of Song of Ice and Fire. I've been working to finally accept this. Were not getting A Dream of Spring. I feel bad for the many who believe were going to get it. It's not happening
It is being written, the question is if it will be finished.
I think we'll get TWOW eventually, it's ADOS I'm worried about.
@@forevermarked5826 Sad but true. He's doing Broadway now. I've accepted it. These books are great. I'll cherish them, but I've lost all hope of him finishing it.
@@stefanpieper3757 Still waiting on Winds. Dream of Spring is an imposibilty at this point.
"All the skulls were grinning, even Bittersteel's on the tall pike in the center. What does he have to grin about?" - JonCon
of course King Aegon Blackfyre makes him grin
If Daeron the Good was the son of the Dragonknight why did he not inherit his skills?
Sorry that you died ser kevan you were the greatest Lannister I think you and Ned would of actually gotten along
Erlend Kaarbø if jamie was the son of tywin why wasn’t he as cunning ?
@@thanos6301 plot twist: maybe he was areys that’s why he wanted him by his side cause he couldn’t expose himself cause he’d make another enemy
Shovel Man69 nah i made that reply to make you realise that skill isn’t always hereditary
after the reveal of Aegon the Conquer's dream of ice and fire in HoTD, and Bloodraven's connection to prophecy, magic, and the old gods, i believe that Daemon Blackfyre was the brother he loved (by all accounts Daemon was a pretty great guy) but Bloodraven killed him to preserve the Targaryen dynasty in order to ensure the birth of the prince who was promised, which is an amazing layer tragedy
Sacrificed his honor for the realm
If this is not the human heart in conflict with itself, then I don't know what it is!
I’m rewatching this video for the umpteenth time, and I came up with a tinfoil idea, cause recently someone on the ASOIAF Reddit posted how many Targaryens were alive at one time during the 300 years, and basically Aegon IV single-handedly doubled the amount of Targaryens alive, so my tinfoil idea is what if he knew about the Prophecy? And he figured that the best defense would be to have as many Targs around to mount a defense, but of course he was also despicable, and bitter, so the tactic wasn’t exactly based in good faith
That is probably just a HotD thing, given the show isn't canon and the Prince that was promised turned out tk be a load of horseshit im the show
@@the_dropbear4392 its an idea in the books though, in an interview with grrm, he mentioned how some people think this is the reason for aegons conquest, whether it is true in the books will probably never be confirmed, but the big man himself has confirmed it is an idea
I’d love to see the full Blackfyre rebellion war after HOTD is finished. I feel it’s a time that’s so well developed and fleshed out it’s needed!
Would be cool if it continues all the way to baratheon rebellion.
@@ahmadtarek7763 it probably will
I agree
They could always just keep Hot D going and transition from the dance of dragons to the blackfyre rebellions, it's only like 2 generations between them. They'd just need maybe a few episodes or a season at most to cover the distance.
It might not be the most intense season but it'd still be decent viewing. And then the blackfyre rebellions would be really intense again. I think that'd work better than to adapt it into another separate spin off about the targaryans
I think HOTD is going to be a anthology series with the current story being two seasons. We could well see the Blackfyres in season 3.
Alt shift x should start writing his own winds of winter version.
The issue is he doesnt know where the story and characters are intended to go, which is a major part of Martins writing. If he were given Martins notes on everything, then i think he would have a good chance
@@benschmitt7035 Martin doesn't even know where they are intended to go.
@@SFledz no, but he knows what pieces he put in place. things that we speculate about, things like the pink letter for example, he knows for a fact, and will have put the clues into place previously for it. Even if he doesn't know how the over arching story will finish, he built the story, and only he knows details that the rest of us can only wonder about
@@benschmitt7035 it will probably go something along the lines of the show just Way better executed.
(And Sorry for my bad english😅)
If HBO was smart they would do an anthology series covering different Targaryen eras. I’m one of those weirdos that enjoy the history and lore more than the main series lol
I’d love to see a 13 episode Season on The First Blackfyre Rebellion with Christian Bale was Daemon Blackfyre
I mean I believe one of the prequels they've got going right now covers the original succession war of the dance of the dragons
The books are good though
oops they just did
Now that’s what I call foreshadowing
I'm thinking Young Griff didn't get enough Westerosi History lessons if he thinks it's normal that the Golden Company supports him.
Who would they support? There was no longer a Blackfyre since its supposed to be extinct. If the Golden company wants to return to Westoros and get their lands back only a Targeryan claimant can do it. Blackfyre or true Targeryan Aegon is one of their best bet to finally come home
@@ryanjuguilon213 I'm pretty sure they hate Targaryens, why would they fucking fight for the people they were trying to destroy and who essentially exiled them or flat out destroyed their houses. They didn't fight for Viserys or Daenerys (whom they met), why would they fight for Aegon if he's a Targaryen like them. This makes it all the more suspicious...the fact that they were kept apart is very interesting in that regard.
@@ryanjuguilon213 they want Westeros for blackfyre
Who says YG isn’t in on the whole thing and fully knows he’s a Blackfire?
We see in Tyrions chapters that Faegon gets all his history lessons about westeros from a small group that Joncon trusts so… yea checks out.
Glad to see that Bloodraven grew his eye back after half a century
He doesn’t have an eye. In fact there’s a weirwood branch in his eye socket
I can't thank you enough for linking all those artists. I never take the time to find the fanart that gets used in people's videos, but I should. So much of it is awesome.
yeah, the quality of the fanart that they make is simply outstanding
Broke: ASOIAF is about the war for the throne
Woke: ASOIAF is about the war for the dawn
Bespoke: ASOIAF is about the war for Shiera’s Snatch
That played a mere role...it was politics
Can you blame people for fighting over her
@@gfilmer7150 yes, if you father died off because some Lord you'd never met wanted to get laid, you'd be pretty mad (and rightly so).
Men who fight over women are moronic, no matter how much you like her chances are there's another one who's similar and likes you better. Nobody is all that unique, there's probably dozens of people you could love in a 50 mile radius.
@@AeneasGemini But she’s hot
@@gfilmer7150
Yeah, and look at what that started? A whole shit show.
The idea of Blackfires is so funny to me because they’re still Targaryen’s. Daemon is literally completely genetically a Targaryen, his parents followed the tradition of having children with their relatives. This war isn’t about two different groups of people, it’s about the Targaryen’s eating themselves alive again, and the fact that the Golden Company acts like they’re not just Targaryen’s is ridiculously funny
It’s the exact same issue that was presented by the dance of the dragons. Both parties have an entirely legitimate claim: are we following the historical mandate of the eldest son becoming ruler, or the chosen heir via the father’s decree? Both resulted in the former, but it doesn’t necessarily mean the other party is wrong.
@@jacobwhitman5701 I don't like Game of Thrones, but George RR Martin is brilliant when it comes to politics
The biggest piece of evidence no one seems to acknowledge is how Elia cowered with the fake baby and either didn’t notice it wasn’t her son, or was so dedicated to the bit she ignored her real daughter who was cowering in a nearby room
It’s kinda hard to tell babies apart especially if they made an effort to find a convincing fake
I recommend the video about the faegin theory from hills alive. She makes an compelling point that he is truly the son of rhagaer
@@samwinchester1326The day Hills Alive makes a good point is the day TWOW comes out
"But when Daenerys finally arrives, blazing in from the East with her dragons, she is going to want Young Griff off her chair..." I don't know why but that was the funniest line to me :D
*Sheldon voice*: You're in my spot.
If the dance of the dragons taught us anything its that having more dragons doesn't mean you'll win lol.
if tyrion and barristan are on her side, she may even make it, but not alone. she is so stupid to be able to accomplish and maintain anything.
@@caio7946 Yeah...I'm really hoping Tyrion would be able to teach her the game and how to rule a nation. She's really problematic, she's too much of an idealist which is bad. Hopefully her 'current' situation in the books might teach her a thing or two.
@@BenJover dragons vs more dragons and dragons vs no dragons is a different thing
"It looks like Young Griff might actually succeed where other past Blackfyres failed"
Leaked "A Dream of Spring" chapter Tyrion 69 excerpt: "...And who has a better story than Young Griff?"
Best theory I’ve heard
I mean he has the best story of he comes from a longline of fighter and a boy who fell from a castle who has the best story
I will step off a cliff
Actually young Griff then went on to build the band of hawks and sacrificed them to the gods to become hand of gods
@@bait5257 And then made Tyrion tall and have varys a d and then made Catelyn marry petyr baelish
Introducing Griff as another antagonist in a post cersei, post white walker story could have been a cool pivot in the final season.
They had a good set up. The golden company was introduced.
That or crazy lovecraftian Euron.
@@markushaahr9194 Euron is the final baddie, he is Harkoon the hero, the lightbringer who will bring the long night
To think that bloodraven was the mentor to Bran who eventually get the iron throne is incredibly bizarre and I hope we get more information about this in the books if it eventually leads in that direction
A whole Blackfyre TV show would be awesome. I can't wait for the Daenerys vs. Young Griff conflict in the books
@Yowatsapp 05 no, Aegon is alive, he took Storm's End and will soon face the Tyrell troops in Winds of Winter
@Yowatsapp 05 No, him and Jonny C. are gonna kill Cersei... hopefully...
@@gfilmer7150 i hope so too, tommen's kingship is very weak, Aegon/Young Griff could overthrow him
@@mythgravenn The Lannister Lion has lost its claws.
@@mythgravenn I'll take a Blackfyre King over a Lannister Queen anytime!
"The ends justifies the means" is usually code for someone who does evil for his own good. But damn, Bloodraven is an intriguing character.
The best character in all of asoiaf.
"The ends justifies the means" was the code of conduct of the greatest people who have ever lived, but ok
@@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443 sure Adolf. Sure.
Bloodraven is someone obssessed with control and order, despite the human need to forgive and move on. His loyalty was absolute, but it was to the state and to no man.
@Mister Majestic like every single person you studied in history at school, litterally every single one
The show’s biggest mistake was not including young griff. I think that’s why D&D didn’t know what the hell to do with the story after season 6.
Just one thing I thought was unclear. It is said in the books that Bloodraven's intentionally targeted the twin sons of Daemon BlackFire. Because he knew the Daemon would not abandon his children. And that's what happened, after Bloodraven's and his archers had killed his children, Daemon refused to let go of the bodies, which made it easy for Bloodraven's to kill him with his archers.
Bloodraven was also the last wielder of the darksister sword. When Brann finds him in the cave, if I'm not mistaken, he also finds the sword. Another thing the series ruined...
Wow that is so freaking sad….
Just where does the author get all these sadistic stories from 😢
I always thought it was funny that with Aegon spread the rumor that Aemon, the GOD DAMN Dragonknight, was Daeron's true father, like Aemon was a bad person.
It's a lie so ridiculous that it might just be true 🤔
@@AltShiftX hell, I think most people respected Aemon over drunken lustful Aegon. Aemon had bloody integrity
If it was true Aegon would delegitimize Daeron for Daemon. Hope Martin will finish his d&e tales and reveal the truth.
@@thetalesofelbek7042 yet he never did. He only legitimatized his bastards. He hated Daeron, but couldn't (for whatever reason) deny that he was his son.
@@AltShiftX To be fair, the parallels between Aegon IV, Naerys and Aemon in comparison to Robert, Jamie and Cersei are really STRONG. And at some point, I believe there was even a trial by combat against Naerys, which Aemon obviously won. I've always believed that Daemon was the true heir for a few reasons
1. Aemon's character from what we know literally has no flaws and we know George doesn't write perfect people.
2. The parallels with Jamie, Robert and Cersie is too strong for it to not mean anything.
3. It took 12 years after Aegon died for Daemon to actually rebel and no one was sure the final factor that instigated his rebellion. Maybe he found proof that Daeron was actually not Aeogon's son?
So ultimately House Targaryen's greatest enemy is themselves, because Daemon Blackfyre is technically a Targaryen if he was legitimized by Aegon 4, and Bobby B's grandma was a Targaryen. I think the Targaryens would benefit from some family therapy tbh.
Rhaenyra: He stole my throne!
Aegon II: Lies!
Rhaenyra: It's in the will idiot!
Therapist: What makes you think that it was in the will?
*Hands will over*
Therapist: It appears Rhaenyra is the only one in the will
Alicent Hightower: Dangit
Therapist: But, let's forget about the will, why don't we talk about how we feel
Rhaenyra: I feel betrayed
Alicent: You're the betrayed one, I was the one that married your push over father and I didn't get anything out of it
Rhaenyra: You got to queen for 23 years you ungrateful b[censored by the network]
Alicent: Says the one who trained her sons to act like savages. They took Aemon's eye out!
Rhaenyra: He was asking for it!
Therapist: Why did I take this job?
@@gfilmer7150 lol
@@5.farisdzukhairilrizki901 For some reason the pilot didn’t air ‘til after because of the network’s meddling
@@gfilmer7150 Can't wait to see it on screen ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@@saranemcova5448Therapist: so can you explain how hard your marriage is?
Aegon I: I married both of my sisters
Visenya: He married me first
Aegon I: Oh what does that have to do with anything?
Therapist: Please calm down
Rhaenys: Shut up
Visenya: You shut up!
Aegon I: Both of you knock it off... both gave me sons
Visenya: That isn’t even a boy
Aenys: Hey
Maegor: Shut up nerd
Visenya: Look at him. He’s peeing himself because he can’t stand up for himself
Rhaenys: Shut up
Visenya: I will when you admit that girl is no prince
Aegon I: She said shut up! Don’t you ever talk to my son like
Visenya: Son, that’s no son, I gave you a son. His name is Maegor
Maegor: I ate a living a squirrel
Aegon I: I don’t like him!
Visenya: You see, he chooses and her “son” over me every time. Isn’t that called favoritism?
Therapist: It is. Aegon, why don’t you like her?
Aegon I: I never loved her. My daddy forced me to marry her
Therapist: Oh
Aegon I: If I had the opportunity, I’d instead marry her to my brother
Therapist: Wait you have a brother?
Aegon I: Yes and his name is Orys
Orys: Hello there
Therapist: How many people are in this family?
Aegon I: A lot
Therapist: Why did I drop out of college?
The thing is young griff actually is a good kid and might actually be a great king whether he's a blackfyre, targaryen or some common valyrian bastard doesn't change the fact that he's a good dude and also really good at rallying people to his side like he did with the golden company leaders remember they were ready to say "screw this we're not gonna fight for you" but then young griff said some words and suddenly they were like "hell yeah we'll fight for you" and the men of the golden company really seem to like him and even if the leaders (whom he personally had to rally) believe he's a blackfyre, the bulk of the golden company think he's targaryen.
i mean wasnt tyrion able to convince him to invade westeros before he was ready just using reverse psychology?
@@kreelesley just cause he's good doesn't mean he's a tactile genius, I mean he's still a kid
@@miketrujillo3677 tactical
@@charliericker274 fair
@@miketrujillo3677 Not being a tactical genius makes him bad, as he can be manipulated easily by anyone who's gonna be there with him in King's Landing.
Young Griff should have been included in Game of Thrones. They should have had added more seasons to do so
he could have been included if they got rid of unnecessary boring storylines like Grey Worm and Missandei, Euron's bullshit and cock jokes.
Agreed, there are several characters and storylines that were cut that would have been great and provided material for more seasons
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 they shouldn't have got rid of eurons bullshit, they should have given him his crazy cthulu bullshit he has in the books
100%
Plus lady Stoneheart
Blackfyre also had a good claim through his mother. Daena was from the senior line while Aegon the unworthy and his father came from the Junior line. Lots of people thought Daena should have been queen after all her brothers died, not her uncle.
Daemon could easily be the heir to the throne If Viserys II and Daeron I married Aegon IV to Daena instead of Naerys and Baelor!
@@PedroLucas-mg5je That would have made more sense lol
After the Targaryen civil war, it was established that the male line would always be superior and preferred to the female line. So your senior/junior analysis doesn't work.
@@PedroLucas-mg5je sucks being a bastard doesn’t it? Lol
Daemon Blackfyre is pure Targaryen!
His name should be Daemon Targaryen!
Daenerys is gonna make a mess of things isn't she? Slaying aegon is gonna slay more than just one lie, especially the ones she's been telling herself about her own house's role in this story.
And which one is that? Or which of those?
Aegon will become the king of his people while dany see as warmongering dragon queen
@@fauzanabdulkahfi957 That's why Aegon should've been on the show. It would've been so tense to see Aegon "The Champion of The People" vs. Daenerys "The Liberator of Slaver's Bay" fight in a brutal conflict that would've explained her actions in S8E5.
@@gfilmer7150 I hear what you're saying. But I think that having Dany go mad after hearing some bells and then burning everyone alive is way more poetic and has superior writing talent.
@@calebwinfield1403 Daenerys knows that Dothraki use bells to associate themselves with victory. If anyone associates bells with defeat and will go mad and burn KL, it's gonna be Jonny C.
Still wild that daemon blackfyre is the purest bastard ever 😂
Fr bro
@@Nanakaririka yep his mother was targaryen royalty as well as his father
Kinda feel bad about Aenys Blackfyre. Dude was like "Hey, I'm not gonna make war, I just want to peacefully submit my case and see what the lords think." Then Bloodraven royally fucks him over.
I also feel bad for Haegon after he surrendered
The Black Fyre rebellion has to be the best civil war I've seen. A illegitimate child becoming the king, while the true king is being the basted
It's brilliantly written!
It’s still a rumor ;)
And ironicly daemon was legit targaryen after legitimize
Random Bartender in The Riverlands: Who did you fight for? Red dragon or The Black?
Me: I liked both so I stayed out of it completely.
I say a Dance of Dragons is by far the best, because it has dragons and both sides were evil Targaryens
One of the saddest things of this whole story is that Daeron and Daemon were friends and that it was because of Angora Bittersteel that this whole thing ever happend.
And I believe the reverse will happen with fAegon and Dany during TWOW and ADOS (If he survives until the end), Daeron and Daemon started as friends but ended up as enemies in the First Blackfyre Rebellion while Dany and fAegon will start as enemies but will (probably) end up as allies or friends during the New Long Night!
There is a theme of betrayal with GRRM- watching house of dragon and knowing the friends that Rhaenyra and Alicent were
Tywin and Aerys (the Mad King) were friends as well. And their friendship ended because of a bunch of gossip. Robert's Rebellion would have never have happened if they stayed friends.
@@RobbEmmanuel It ended because Aerys was insecure and kept fucking with Tywin, and also because of the Joanna love triangle.
@@queenb2450 tbf though alicent and rhaenyra weren’t besties in the books. alicent was quite a bit older than rhaenyra
Daeron sounds based af. He stabilized the relationship with their enemy Dorn and kept the insane faction daemon in check!
I can just imagine bittersteel riding into combat with the tune of "Guess who's back, back again. Bittersteels' back, Tell a friend" playing in everyones head
It makes way more since that Young Griff is the king Daenerys goes to war with over the throne in the books as there is no way someone as incompetent as book Cersei would manage to hold the throne.
Mhmm... D&D removed Aegon from the story to simplify that conflict but then included its intended ending leading to contrived ending
I really like this theory, I am a huge fan of the Young Griff plotline lasting awhile, I really enjoyed his character and the chapters around him in the books they stood out to me so it'd be cool if that's the actual plan and D&D removed him to flatten the storyline and push Cersei into that role instead in their attempts to trim things from the end and in the books we actually get him in a way in her place.
@@TheOnlyDamien Aegon vs. Cersei >>>>> Daenerys vs. Cersei
The Aegon character along Jonny C. grew on me and I’m rooting for them
Cersei will not survive winter. Young Griff is the "Cersei" Dany will fight to "win" Kingslanding.
@@SunnyDayTeaFactory That’s what I’m excited for. Stannis vs. Roose and Aegon killing Cersei
A lot of people interpret the "mummer's dragon" to mean a fake dragon, but what if it literally means "Varys' dragon" as in this Targaryen is merely his puppet, could be that Aegon really is potentially the son of Elia and Rhaegar, but he is utterly Varys' instrument whether aware of it or not.
note: mummers' dragon vs mummer's dragon
the spelling suggests that we're looking at a specific mummer, not mummers in general
Huh. I never thought of that but it still doesn't explain the golden company.
The best part about this whole conflict is genetically theres zero difference between Targs and Blackfyres. They're fighting over a last name.
I come back to this channel's content more than any other GoT channel. Just the perfect balance of info, thoughtful analysis and a dash of humor. Well done
“These guys were still fighting over who got to root their sister” - you really got me laughing at then.
I thought this was a tragedy but it's a comedy
"Blackfire...House Targaryens greatest enemies" after themselfes, that is... :D
That's incest for you.
And the Maesters
Daemon was legitimized, so technically the Blackfyres ARE house Targaryen
@@SuperCrow02 Yeah, people seem to forget that it's all still just a Targaryan civil war :D
@@funakfunak2740 it’s more like a bastard brother vs true born brother. But irony is that it’s like opposite like King Daeron the good might not be the King’s son.
The fact that all of this is just background lore and took place decades before the main series is just staggering. I still struggle to comprehend how one man - Martin - can be responsible for all of this.
I personally believe that it all comes down to the topic that GRRM likes best: Lust for power is always the undoing of those who wield it, even at the brink of extinction, they'd rather destroy the place than to loose or not have their way and be forced to make compromises.
Holy fuck what a well-made video. I knew almost everything you said in the video yet I could never organize the information and connect it to other events like you did. Great job man!
From what you're describing Young Griff is obviously a reference to Henry Tudor who became Henry VII by winning the Wars of the Roses. His mother was distantly related to the King just like how Griff likely comes from the female line. Henry VII became king after living in exile his entire life when he won one battle with the unpopular Richard III just like how Griff is positioned to gain ground in Westeros fairly easily. When Danyaerys burns down Kings Landing I guess it'll almost be like she's interrupting the natural flow of history by killing the person who ultimately won the Wars of the Roses. Which will lead to Brans position as the end of history kind of king.
If Daenerys burns King's Landing. I highly doubt that she will in the books.
The War of Five Kings was also based off The War of the Roses so I can definitely see that.
@@BenMedia7 Bold of you to assume the book series is getting finished. Dany burning the city is the whole point of the series, without that scene there is no ASOIAF
And some say Daenerys is loosely based on Elizabeth I, and Elizabeth I ended the Tudor line by never marrying.
@@arhamsaa I mean Dany did marry, twice actually
I truly love watching and learning from your videos. Your work is appreciated, and thank you for the time and effort you put in to every one of these videos.
Can't wait for more videos on Targaryen history. Would love to see a video on Maegor the Cruel and Jaherys the Consilliator
Read Fire & Blood if there’s no video
And Robert's Rebellion
"So Bittersteel was bitter".
Hard hitting analysis that!!
😂😂😂
Like Unwin Peake is more like Unwinner
Kingslayer slayed a king
The quiet wolf was quiet
Barristan the badass was badass
Mad king was Mad
Maegor the cruel was cruel
Aegon the conqueror was a conqueror
@@faisalkamal4319 The Young Dragon and the Young Wolf died young!
Broke: Blackfyre Rebellion
Joke: War of the Ninepenny Kings
Woke: The Struggle for Shiera Seastar's Snatch
Aka The Maid with the Golden Puss
@@The_Essential_Review the one true god is what’s between a woman’s legs😂😂🤦
Shiera Seastar's Chocolate Seastar
Coke: what Martin takes to be able to write these stories.
*I thought the greatest threat to Targaryens was "kind of forgetting" about their enemies while their enemies certainly haven't forgotten about them.*
Right! LOL!!
Damn dragon harpoons!
Shhhhhhhhh! We don't talk about that horrendous show here. The show never happened, remember?
The price of arrogance. When you've been on top for so long you start to "kinda forgot" the rock piling up underfoot that will trip you
LOL!
Oh?. I thought it was the Faith and Old town were the Greatest Enemies.
Your videos and overall dialogue is sensible, impressive and entertaining. I hope you never stop with your videos. You have charisma my man! Keep it coming... I will never stop listening
the virgin daeron vs chad daemon bit was so good
when the NinePenny Kings part came up, and the battles that made all the gang there
and seeing all the relationships from the GoT series starting points made me sooooo fucking happy
this kind of stories is why I'm into history so much
tnx Alt Shift X
That's one of the things that I've always loved about the ASOIAF series. In terms of the characters, it's a realistic world where everyone's actions ripple across the world and affect other characters well beyond their immediate purview. The history of the characters and their houses matter, and we can actually trace how past events in-universe shaped the events and the conflicts that came afterward.
Ninepeny Kings is the Game of Thrones equivalent of The Last Alliance from LoTR
Damn that picture of Deanerys at 24:00 is pretty awesome. Credits to the person who made that.
I think they should have kept Young Griff in the show. I was very disappointed they didn't. It would have fixed a lot. It would have made Varys betrayal understandable and part of his end game. It would have given Daenerys an actual rival, as Jon didn't even want the Iron Throne. It would have cemented the hatred of Targ rule as once again, they're fighting each other and everyone else suffers. By removing Young Griff, it openned many, many plot holes and Daenerys' turn to the darkside made little sense.
This whole thing kind of reminds me of the war of the roses. Two different lines descended from a king fought over the English throne for thirty years, and it eventually ended when the two lines married into each other and became one.
So I think that the Targaryen-Blackfyre conflict could possibly end with a marriage between Griff and Dany. It would lend legitimacy to both of them as monarchs.
Reminds me more of the Jacobite Rebellions but you've got a point.
I'm a simple man, I see an AltShiftX video, I click.
Its Weird when you hear the name, Daemon Targaryen, without his theme.
The rogue prince 🎸
The Blackfyre rebellions are so interesting. I wish there was a show dedicated to them like HOTD
We're getting more spin-offs in the next year or so
it would take ages to film it as it continued for centuries. Even hotd wars last two years but we will watch it for many seasons
@@dubsonlyWe got a Dunk and Egg show and now they are developing an Aegon's conquest prequel
This is the best video OMG I love how you explain this story. Thank you!
If daenerys incinerates him in front of everyone, that could BLACKFYRE on her :D
Yikes...
delete this pls 🤣
Stop
10/10
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The door is there🚪👈. You and your puns should use it.
Your videos are the perfect thing to slowly fall asleep too
Your videos help because all these names sound the same and having you lay stuff out and the corresponding art really helps me keep it together
ive watched this video probably 6 times and still learn somthing everytime...i love this universe and honestly if they made this into a movie or like a small series that would be amazing
This game of thrones novel should be made into a series. Hopefully it would be written by competent writers who care more about sticking with the original material than their own ego.
Amen to that.. rayan condal seems trustworthy.
That would be nice
There even fucking up house of the dragons with there ego and going away from the story kindab
@@noahpancakes6507 HotD is written by Martin lol
According to him HotD is how it happened, while the books (well...the few pages we get of it) are inaccurate/biased retellings
Hehe Hehehe guess what
Anyone else get the distinct feeling that "Aegon the Unworthy" was partially inspired by Henry VIII? A big fat king with lots of wives (at least one of which he executed) that for his own selfish reasons created a long-lasting political schism? Who goes on to die a horrible death of obesity and disease?
He's sort of like "What if Henry VIII actually had all those sons he wanted?"
I think Martin has said as much.
I think there's a bit of Charles II in Aegon IV, both had illegitimate children whose descendants started the jacobite rebellions against the Hanover family.
@@IsaacWhittakerDakin But I thought it was James II's son's (by his Catholic second wife) descendants who started the Jacobite rebellions? Will go look up...
@@kateellison5360 it probably is James II my mistake! 🙂
Well GOT is nothing more than plagiarism of real history. Tsss
Can you make a playlist that has all your videos based in the thrones universe in chronological order? Would be cool to try and wrap my head round it in order 😂 great video as always!
Man, English teachers the world over have been waiting for this. “Why was his name bittersteel, what is the author trying to say?”
“Bittersteel was bitter”
Miss you dude. I just PRAY that GRRM has taken this quarantine period to progress his story. Please GRRM. Don't let that dung heap that DND left be your legacy. Finish your story and you'll be immortalized.
The way you described king Bran really made me think about the ending of Dune Messiah, and the reign of God Emperor Leto
This is the Best GOT Summary i ever watched! Thank you!
man i have no words how much i am thankful to you...Thankyou very much for your explanation...
The Blackfyre rebellions are probably my favorite piece of asoiaf history and I am deeply vested in the Blackfyres, so this was really really cool to see you cover this. Thank you!
Bloodraven is honestly one of the coolest characters in the books.
yep
Leaked Bran POV's dialogue of TWOW:
Bran: "You're the golden boy! You can kill a brother, lose an eye, fuck your own sister, yet you will always be the golden boy!
BloodRaven: "Be careful on what you say! This reputation is not pleasureful as you thinks..."
This is absolutely fantastic. Awesome work!!!
Personally I like the idea that in fact in a cruel twist of fate Dany is the mummers dragon, that her heritage is a lie and she doesn't realise until the last minute. As targeryan dreams usually lead to their downfall as they misrepresent the information to fuel false ambition.
The term 'slayer of lies' could also have a double meaning which I've not heard anyone else mention thus far. Yes it could refer to someone who slays a liar. But it could also refer to a liar known to kill, that her slaying is based on lies.
It seems to me like that could be a more convincing and shocking twist which would reframe the characters actions up to that point in a very fascinating way.
The books aren’t ever going to end.😭
The writer GRRM has an outline prepared for another writer to take over in the event that he dies
Martin does not care about fans or the books. He only cares about his legacy and career, the money and shows and movie deals it’s all good to him. It’s like a kid in a candy store and it has all the goods.
yeah like mike said i feel like it could go on for a long time since he already has the history up to dance already written with so much untapped potential for new stories
@Dylan Drummond his got other projects
I've been waiting for you to do the Blackfyres! ♥ 🔥🔥🔥
Derrick "the Bad Apple" is such a hard and yet funny nickname.
Dunk & Egg is such a good story