Advanced Guide To Battle Plans In Hoi4
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- čas přidán 7. 01. 2022
- In this video I will explain advanced battle plan techniques in Hearts of Iron IV.
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I've always been frustrated by how much troops shuffle around with the field marshal orders, and I thought the only remedy was railroading them to the next point (so they are at least there faster).
The shift + left click field marshal frontline order will be a godsend!!
NP man! Glad you like the order. I spent an hour yesterday trying to find reference info for this video online. Sadly there is little to none. The only way to learn techniques like this is to learn them from someone who plays a lot of MP.
@@ESG1 yeah it's wild that no one mentions this. Glad you were able to put it out there
wow, more than 1600 h in single player, but I learned something new: Shift left klick on a field marshall plan and it’s one plan….. I didn‘t know that. Thx👍👍👍
Glad you liked the MP knowledge. Not a technique I picked up on my own. It was taught to me by the chads.
Yeah, I learned that rather recently too and it's in the tooltip and everything. Another useful think is shift-clicking attack orders when the same leader has several, such as with naval invasions.
One big disadvantage to using Marshall battle-plans is not training Organizer on Generals. For some reason they need their own battle plans, not the Marshall's.
Organizer and Skilled Staffer are two most useful traits for a Marshall. Organizer unlocks Logistic Wizard and Thorough Planner, while Skilled Staffer unlocks Expert Delegator, for 7 Army Groups instead of 5.
@@ESG1 I tried to teach u this in game before when I was microing Africa a while back
Guderan, need you to battle plan Luxembourg... but don't assign any divisions also need you to do something completely different... Looks legit to me!
Lol!
The way I see it, is the micro units are planning their own battleplan, but the silly game mechanics doesn't allow you to overlay it on the other cohesive battleplan without screwing up the overall cohesiveness.
@@GrayLensman51 It's hard for the AI to differentiate that you don't intend to attack a certain country.
Thanks for the collab! I had a lot of fun on this one!
Thank you man, the video's will help a lot of players.
Important thing worth noticing is that when you create battle plan with shift, if you have air wings assigned to different generals all the planes will fly over one same air zone. Its because shift plan makes every army deploy equally along the front line on top of each other and planes think that divisions are on the beginning of the line, while wings from every army thinks the same. If you use this way of placing front line it's better to micro planes separately.
Good tips!
Maybe assign all planes in one big wing to the field marshal instead? or does that involve some penalties for too many planes even though its over a huge collection of troops?
@@GrayLensman51 You can but you can micro them yourself better.
@@GrayLensman51 still the one big wing can fly over 1 zone so planes would still catch only that which the order starts (plus you can't make wings bigger than 1000 planes)
Oh my fucking god the shift click thing for the frontline just blew my mind
You know, after 1,200 hours this video made me realize I've fat fingered shift left click before but I always thought it was a glitch with my field marshals. Never knew it was genuinely a feature and a good one at that. Thanks!
Lol!
Thx for working with Pygin. I love both of your accounts, and I love the mix of basic knowledge/more advanced tips. More collabs in the future pls!
Thanks man! Pydgin and I will come up with another topic to share with you all.
Pro tip: control+alt+right click you Will attack like normal and this won't consume planning bonnus (this works because it's like a support attack, You Will see blue arrows)
what do you mean, while creating the battle plan?
@@BigMackWitSauce when you select troops with planning bonus next to the enemy
I just tried this in-game and it DOES consume planning bonus. I tried both and even threw in ... Got the blue arrows every time but also consumed planning bonus every time. Might be something they recently patched... I'm using the open beta v1.11.5
@@GrayLensman51 but a rly low cost, 1-2% per day, instead of 5-10% a day if You right click
Thanks for this. I’d been noticing the different FM order in people’s videos, but you’re the right content creator I follow that’s actually explained it to us SP peasantry.
Glad to help!
Thanks I have started over as Germany so many times so I don't have a lot of battle plan experience. Getting there though been trying lots of different things build up putting the war off efficiencies etc. Studying what works and what doesn't learning lots of things.
GODSEND VIDEO! It was frustrating watching combat tutorials just for them to not even mention how to battle plan but it turns out I was just searching for the wrong content.
Thanks man, I really appreciate the kind words.
This was very informative! I just started the game this week, and I was very annoyed(and confused) that divisions that I moved manually(micro'd) would keep going the wrong way the moment they were done, because I didn't know how to give battle plans properly, and how to unassign them from microable divisions.
Glad it helped!
Thank you, this video has been very enlightening
You're very welcome
4:00 is what i was looking for.
BATTLE PLAN HYPE!!
I have a reason why people may not have the field marshall arrow. Turn off the mod "FPS map" and "Strategic view adjustments". This worked for me. 😁😁
The shift key is a really important key in Hearts of Iron 4
for the longest time I've seen creators use the shift+left click field marshal frontline, and I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT FFS ty for this video
NP, thanks for the comment!
I am confused by your tip to prevent reshuffling of division placements using a FM BP. Assume that you are attacking the USSR as Germany. Do you just create 1 solid BP with all divisions under that FM assigned, then create a secondary FM BP below the one u just made without any divs assigned?
I was really confused with what to do to prevent that reshuffling.
Yes, shift left click the fm battle plane. Take the micro army out and draw an empty battle plan anywhere.
The "empty battleplan to micro" method doesn't provide benefits since the divisions are not sitting at that front. Plus, they can't rest to regain org since they'll always try to get to the battleplan.
Amazing my friend tips.
By the way, can you do a video talking about the best and optimal way to do encirclements? Maybe using the ONE FIELD MARCHAL PLAN + MICRO TANKS and the use for supply planes.
Nowadays i think it's very hard to do encirclements, because of the supply stuff
Great suggestion! No promises, I have a lot of content to drop.
@@ESG1 Take your time my friend, but there is no video or guide (steam/reddit) about that subject until now, with regards the new DLC and encirclement
Good info, thanks!
Really great video! I have over 1k hours and I never knew about any of this. Some friendly advice though, I think your videos would benefit a lot from some editing
Noted!
When you create a field Marshal frontline, Can you choose which army goes where on the frontline ? For instance, if I’m Germany on Barbarossa and i want one specific army to be my north Flank and another one to be southern flank ?
You can't unfortunately.
@@ESG1 ah unfortunate, thanks a lot
realy realy helpfull, thank you a lot!
A small thing. For me, as a newer (250h) player, it is kinda hard to track your actions that quickly. And by that i mean your cursor movement en which things you select etc.
But as I said, just another great, informative video!
Thanks for the feedback!
Sometimes my divisions will create front lines on neutral territory as they advance and I have to reassign them to the main line, is there any way to stop this from happening? If sometimes happens if the neutral country is at war with the same person as I am
Not that I know of sorry.
Ask for military access.
This is great, but can u explain one other thing, I search everywhere but nobady know. U drow front line. Then Offensive line. And then go to Edit mode,and when u putt your cursor over Front line u have option " Right-click to begin the free drawning of the Advencement Arrow. " The arrow must end on another order to wich connection is allowed. How this work ?
You create an attack order (advance arrow). Then create a second attack order but keep holding down right mouse button. While holding down the right mouse button use tab to select the starting point for the 2nd attack. Usually the end point of the first attack order. What this does is an army will advance to the endpoint of the first attack line. Then the second attack will begin and only end at the end point of the second attack.
Is this what you mean?
@@batzing nope. I know this. I ask other thing. Go to Edit mode, putt cursor on FRONT line. There u have and this option. I dont know how this work.
4:55 Does division not have to be on the frontline to have benefits from planing bonus?
Correct. The battle plan just has to be drawn on the map against a nation you have a war goal against.
doesn't the Area Defence exploit still allow planning via the field marshal the army is attached to?
Not sure, there is no where to reference bonuses from battle plans.
gracias, me has ayudado a mejorar mi juego
De nada. Escribe preguntas aqui.
Nice one, I learn from you again.
Thank you! Cheers!
@@ESG1 The AI still insists on guarding that unoccupied and completely isolated province my tanks cavalry bypassed. :(
Great video man!!
P.s. could you make an Italy run? It'd be awesome with all the new stuff!!
Good Idea!
@@ESG1 🔥🔥🔥💪
Double justify Austria to Deny Anschluss and Portugal to get an Atlantic port to invade the UK from, starting WW2 with a UK capitulation, and then preying on your now helpless Germany is pretty OP wink wink. Gibraltar won’t block you because you’re neutral to the UK by taking out Portugal first (don’t capitulate Austria - they should be the minor and capitulate with Portugal as long as your troops skirmish one single time). Taking out Austria destroys the German AI focus tree and then they just sit there til you’re hungry. You can usually get a naval invade off into the western approaches without having to contest the English Channel for superiority from Portugal on hour 0 of the war before the Royal Navy can reposition itself. Once the UK is dead, turn around give France the good news. Hold the alps and naval invade the entire northern coast, seizing multiple ports and walking into Paris quickly just like Germany does, but without dealing with all the river crossings. Of course Nationalist Spain before 1944 is a joke to conquer, but you have to wait for the SCW to end to avoid peace deal shenanigans (You can do all the fighting and win the war, but the faction that “won” will get all the gains by default). Honestly when I figured this method out, it almost feels too easy to play Italy and remake the Roman Empire.
@@chairbornefobbit Interesting
Should I still use Field Marshall planning even though they added the cohesion mechanic in one of the updates? Because that kind of addressed the front-line problem you were talking about.
I tried cohesion and couldn't get it to work better than FM battle plan.
@@ESG1 The strategy of unassigning divisions from the field marshall battle plan is so OP you shouldn't be doing army lines. While stationary, the units will gain bonus, even if located elsewhere! I found that the FM BP has to have at least one offensive line for this to work (obviously).
Anyway thanks @ESG1 for showing this tip, I have 1100 hours and didn't know it! I was microing the units without planning, or making tiny front lines for each micro unit, now it's really different!
How did you do that big and fat line at czechoslovakian border?
Shift right click while making a field marshal battle plan. It may be left click, sorry I forget.
Thank you
@@ESG1
I love your channel!!!!
Thanks man!
Sometimes I hate these videos, because there is a thin line between helpful advice on how to play HOI4 better and ways to exploit the game by playing not as intended aka MP meta, and often both are combined in the same video.
Of course paradox is mostly to blame for this.
They are "game features."
Interesting... I thought that your units did not start building up battle plan bonus until they were actually on the battle line. I even think I observed this in the Spanish Civil War when I was moving units to a battle line several provinces away. They didn't start point build up until they arrived on the line. I was moving them by strategic movement figuring on building up planning bonus as they recovered org from the strat movement. I wonder if strategic movement inhibits point build up and maybe normal movement doesn't? Have to test this out in my next run.
Not entirely sure because there is no way to tell. I use the following rule: If your units are moving they lose battle plan bonus. If they are stationary they gain bonus. This is how it seems to work based on what the wiki says.
@@ESG1 I'm about to start a new game to test some new changes in the open beta 1.11.5. I'll test this specifically as soon as I get to a point in the game where I can.
@@ESG1 I just sent volunteers to Ethiopia and drew an offensive line with a battleplan just south of my landing. They immediately want to start moving to fill the line and as you point out, they are not building up bonus % yet. I can't get them to stop moving towards their offensive line. I can order them to stop, but as soon as I resume game speed they resume their movement towards the assigned offensive line anyhow.
In your video above at about 4:30 when you are showing the separate battleplan on Luxembourg, don't the assigned micro units try to move towards the Luxembourg line, thereby not build up bonus? If not, what am I missing to keep them stationary?
@@GrayLensman51 Hit the minus button under orders. It will take the divisions out of the battle plan.
@@ESG1 Hitting the minus button didn't do anything. (I'm using the open beta... maybe this has been nerfed) worked to remove them, but then they don't build up planning bonus. Could be, this only works to remove them from a Field Marshal battleplan... I'm just guessing. Might have to wait until later in my game to test this with the Polish border like your video
Thanks
Well what if I don’t want my infantry to attack, but I need my tank divisions to attack? I shouldn’t have them in the same battle plan right? Normally I don’t want my infantry to push at all.
Yes don't keep them in the same battle plan.
@@ESG1 10-4
Does the field marshall or general get the battle plan in the inaccessible territory?
Field marshall sets the front line and offensive line? and general sets plan in inaccessible territory? Or vice versa?
Shift click for the Field Marshal bp and everyone gets it who is under the Field Marshal.
Thanks.. I already got that part. I set a front and off line with the field marshall. then select the specific general (lets say guderian for ex sake) i want to micro and create his own addtl front and off line in an inaccessible territory. but then guderians divisions still keep auto repositioning across the field marshal line. In your video you kind of click through the actions quicker than you explain the concepts so im just missing something...
I would just use an additional Field Marshal battle plan on that front then take the divisions out of the battle plan with the minus tool above the pictures of the Generals.
Thanks for quick replies. After reading them and rewatching I realized i was missing the unassign step@@ESG1
Thanks, learned something new have a like!
Awesome, thank you!
what is the weird army with only 1 unit in it?
Hey Man ik this May be random and kinda late but i dont know how to make that big offensive line im 1:39 could you explain to me?
Click on the Field Marshall picture, shift click after hitting the battle plan tool in the area u want the BP.
@@ESG1 thank you do much!
@@ESG1 your a life saver, keep up the good work Man!
It doesn´t work for me. My game is updated, I have all DLCs, and I know for a fact I am doing everything correctly. Does it depend on the field marshall?@@ESG1
It does not depend on the particular Field Marshal, no.
I have question about plan preparation attack bonus
How do I increase the percentage of it
You have to wait for a few weeks without moving your troops to max the bonus. Grand battle plan doctrine can increase the percentage of battle plan bonus as well.
@@ESG1 thank you I was wondering how it worked and does it work for navel invasions too?
I have never seen that there is any bonus after the naval invasion is ready to fire. Just press go on the naval invasion as soon as it is ready.
@@ESG1 you are very good and helpful CZcamsr
Won't the two division you made the separate battle plan for go over to that front by itself if you're not giving it orders?
You can take them out of the battle plan by hitting the minus button under their general at the bottum of the screen.
@@ESG1 Hell yeah. That's a golden tip. Thank you!!
@@Thumper770 NP!
Thanks really useful
Thanks for continuing the channel membership. I’ll keep em coming.
hey ESG, beginner here and on my 1st playthrough as Germany. I went historical and declared wara on Poland and a few major mistakes along the way that I need to keep in mind in future (my air superiority was terrible in Poland with 1000 fighters in the region and probably biggest thing that crippled my attack midway through was 0 fuel). Its been 3 months and still haven't capitulated Poland.....do you know why Poland refuses to capitulate I've already taken 4-5 capitals?
EDIT: As I reload the game, 1 second into unpausing they capitulate Lol! For a 1st playthrough happy I didn't fail to win a war (thanks to you ESG, i watched a lot of your guides before i even started my playthrough), but it took me almost 4 months.....
Sounds like you used all your oil up training. Trade with Iran and Romania to get your oil supply up. Don't send your navy out to conserve oil.
@@ESG1 Oh interesting tidbit -- I had my Navy, Army, and Air all going as well...Wouldnt that mean I am leaving the seas wide open to the UK? Or it would be a necessity based on my starting oil pre war i guess. Thanks for the response you are awesome!
@@AdamM12590 Don't worry about contesting the sea lanes. Try to find land routes to trade through. Combat amphibious assualts on the beaches.
How are the offensive lines so huge for you (Like the one you made on czechoslovakia in the beginning)
Shift right click while using Field Marshall front line orders
Do you think it's worth to convert all the mils to civs at the start of the game when playing as Germany in 1936?
Not at all, I would just build civs because Germany now has plenty of 80% infrastructure slots. The old meta was to do like 6 mil to civ conversions but I don't think it will be beneficial anymore.
@@ESG1 Thx for sharing your point of view
@@renatoapcs2 NP!
With all due respect, when i shift+click, it shuffles units so badly i always have to ctrl+b them for to go to their target location. Actually, in my experience it is way worse than a generic field marshall order. When i tried it, that is what i experienced anyway.
Ya it's actually a lot worse if the front is bigger. If you don't have to worry about a bunch of countries and just have one big front like with Russia then it's better to use the regular one and micro the separate lengths that way they don't have time to move around too much
I don't understand what the 72 division general use is really for. Microing 72 divisions isn't efficient and to keep the 72 limit you can't use the field marshal front line to manage a moving line and prevent gaps. Seems like it's mostly for static defensive generals.
I don't use it myself, but thought it was worth mentioning. Some people like to use it.
Hi I am in the Spanish civil war as Germany. Two divisions. I have no theatre group commander just the general. I have set a frontline against neutral Portugal and set an offensive order into Portugal. I unnassign the two divisions and move them to the border againgst the Republicans. But they do not gain any 'plan preparation attack bonus' .What am I doing wrong?
The battle plan must be against he country you are at war with.
@@ESG1 Hi thanks for your reply but I am still a little confused. I want to remove my 2 divisions from the field marshall battleplan in the Spanish civil war scenario and micro them and gain the battleplan bonuses. In the above video from 4minute 10seconds you mention removing panzer divisions and unnassign them from Field marshall order and setting their front against a neutral country and then unnassign them from the neutral front. They can then move anywhere and still continue to receive the planning bonus.
You say,' The battle plan must be against the country you are at war with,' but in the above example your panzers divisions are not at war with Luxemborg. In my example I set my 2 divisions against neutral Portugal whom I am not at war with but I receive no planning bonuses unlike the panzer divisions you unnassign. I am doing what you suggest to micro and receive planning bonus but I receive none.
What am I doing wrong?
@@tomgunn6086 Sorry about the error in the video. The battle plan should be against whatever nation you are at war with. You simply click on the field marshal, click on which divisions you want to micro and hit the minus sign. They will now get planning bonus and will be able to move freely.
@@ESG1 thanks
I struggle to get operation working..Like they say ‘superior enemy’ any tips?
You may have to wait to build planning bonus or there is something wrong with your army set-up. Check out this guide for more info: czcams.com/video/KmInKkpRYdM/video.html
@@ESG1 thank you!
No problema, Gracias por tu comentario.
Im entirely confused on the independent divisions getting the BP bonus. because every time I try this set up, the independent divisions show no bonus. Ive tried replicating every step but its very unclear what EXACTLY is being done.
Welcome to HOI4. You will not see a bonus listed anywhere.
@@ESG1 Thanks for the quick reply. So how do I know I am getting the bonus as claimed? I want to make sure I've set it up properly. Also, it appears the blank order you made was with the army (general), not the army group (FM) command. is it important which one you use?
at 50 hours of game and i didn't even know field marshals existed
I know what that feels like, try Victoria 3
how you have thick offensive line?
Field Marshall Battle Plan. Click on the picture of your Field Marshall and make a battle plan with the tools at the bottom.
thank you@@ESG1
How do you make the arrows big???
That's the Fieldmarshal battleplan. Click on the picture of the Fieldmarshal to select your troops. Hold shift and left click to draw your frontline. Then use the tool to create a battleplan.
@@ESG1 I did this and it failed. Any tips?
@@lucas_boundrobloxvids7804 It may be related to not updating your game. This mechanic should be in the base game with no DLC's.
@@ESG1 Ill try updating it.
@@ESG1 I have tried updating my game and nothing has changed, and I cant even use a spy network. Can you please help me I'm struggling. :(
how did you make attacking arrow so big at 1:38
Fieldmarshal battle plan. Should be a shift left click while making a battle plan. It combines all your army's into one big battle plan.
@@ESG1 already got it. It doesn't work with FPS map
I saw entrenchment and this video, now i wamt to play france WW1 - round 2 elitric bungaloo 😂
after this i conqered france as britain in 1938. thanks.
NP, sounds like u had fun
@@ESG1 i did
I once roleplay in Hoi 4 as Napoleon, But everyone Hate Napoleon at first I defeat All Of Them but then they Know They cannot Defeat me and Form a coalition To Banned From Joining Server.
lol
Tbh the video got kinda mid after 2-3 minute mark. I was hoping "advanced battle plan" meant stacking progressive orders and how to best utilize that.
Thanks for the feedback. I would not recomend stacking progressive orders. The battle plan mechanic works best, the less orders that are present on the map per Field Marshal.
My lines are not turning purple, they stay grey to put my soldiers in one spot.
The AI will choose a random color. It will appear striped if there are no divisions in the battle plan. I believe it is ctrl left click to add divisions to a battle plan.
bump
lots of cav lol
Has anyone ever told you that you sound like Ron DeSantis?
You are the first one. No political ambitions here.
@@ESG1 haha I know I just thought it was interesting
Doing a field marshal offensive line isnt explained enough. When I try it, its a regular battle plan.
I think It's shift right click if you want one line. Click on the fieldmarshal and right click for a stiched together line. I prefer the infantry to be on the shift right click, singular line.
This s=game s
ux. ITs buggy. Screwy. Like everything Paradox makes.
They need to remove that feature, either push us to micro or don't I say. You can tell this happened because a lot of us singleplayer history buff guys refused to play every nation 7-2 with superior firepower pre NSB. Once you play Grand battleplan you realize the battleplan is everything and I realize now the MP guys, who have to find every stupid bug and make it a tactic from tech juggling, CAS only, CL navy, Space Marines, etc just cannot live in a world where you play the game as intended. They are the FPS equivalent of the old noob tubers or suicide C4 guys just playing dumb gimmicks which kill the experience and God save us all if Paradox yields to them. They're why the FPS is finally dying and frankly had they not been a bunch of annoying gaywads back then we probably never would have seen the travesties that befell us like COD WW2 or BF5.
I guess it was those of us daring the phonies on here to actually play China or the Soviet Union right and use their country specific doctrines that finally caused a lot of these guys to step up and find new stupid tricks or be a weirdo like Feedbackgaming who has pretty much been exposed as knowing about as much as Drew Durnil.
BUT some of that all boils down to game design as well not making things as dangerous as they should be, CAS only or a CL navy should be an easy win for anyone who is playing the game right or closer to reality. I get HOI4 has it's jokey alt history and I'm all for it but the idea a bunch of Stuka bombers would not be brutally annhilated by an equal or frankly even severely less amount of fighters is unrealistic.