Drag Race Down Under: A Post-Mortem Analysis
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In today's "Hot or Rot?" down under review, we take a deeper look at Drag Race Down Under: six feet under to be exact. What has officially been rated the second worst season of Rupaul's Drag Race ever has finally come to its fatal end. But what was its cause of flop? We also review the Finale, discuss the winner of Drag Race Down Under, and complete this season's "Hot or Rot?"
RUPAUL'S DRAG RACE DOWN UNDER IS HERE! Join Bussy Queen (that's me) to react to and review the seventh episode of the Australian and New Zealand version of Rupaul's Drag Race.
The cast of drag race down under includes Scarlet Adams, Etcetera Etcetera, Jojo Zaho, Coco Jumbo, Kita Mean, Anita Wigl'it, Karen from Finance, Art Simone, Elektra Shock, and Maxi Shield.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Drag Race Down Under: A Post-Mortem Analysis
1:36 Down Under's Rough Start: Dates, Locations, and Cast
3:47 What went wrong? The Premiere...
5:32 Down Under Episode 2: Snatch Game Missteps
6:48 Art Simone's Deleted Tweet...
7:20 Down Under Episode 3 & 4: Coco's Elim & Art's Return
9:09 The One About Scarlet Adams
10:03 Episode 6: The Calm Before the Storm
10:23 Down Under Episode 7: Talent Show Shenanigans
11:03 The Finale. Finally.
11:35 Kita Mean Finale Performance & Best Drag
12:28 Karen From Finance Finale Performance & Best Drag
13:33 Art Simone Finale Performance & Best Drag
14:13 Scarlet Adams Finale Performance & Best Drag
15:48 Lip Sync for the Crown
16:18 Hottest HOTS & Final Thoughts
17:19 Patreon Shoutouts
#DragRace #DragRaceDownUnder #HotOrRot
Hot or Rot is a Drag Race Review show hosted by Bussy Queen. Bussy's channel is the best Drag Race Review channel on youtube! This series focuses on Rupaul's Drag Race Down Under. I’ll be reviewing EVERY episode of drag race down under as the season progresses. Today we review and react to the third episode of Season 1 of Drag Race Down Under.
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www.starobserver.com.au/artse...
www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/08/26...
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metro.co.uk/2021/06/02/drag-r... - Zábava
Ru and Michelle should not be judges on international seasons like down under, because they just don't get the local references ! Plus, Ru is extremely hypocrite because he expects the queens to know about all the old references but can't be bothered to look up nowadays references
I agree, I know Australians were proably laughing their ass off to to the jokes in down under, but us Americans don't even know geography of our own country neitherless another countries jokes
Exactly! Kids today don’t know the things he knew and because his show targets a younger audience, he needs to get with our times as well 🤷🏾♀️
We saw what happened with Canada
Michelle is great on UK though because she knows all the references so I will give her a pass there. However I don’t really like Ru on the uk one because Ru is always like “u alright mate”
@@parrisxsummers yeah Brooklyn and Jeffrey just terrorizing the contestants for shits and giggles? .. yup
The moral of the story: When it comes to down under, just stick with Courtney Act.
I'm still sad she wasn't included in any way!
Or just the nz queens 😉
She's doing a new show (old show but she's a new host and different formar) on the ABC our national broadcaster where she interviews people! She's amazing. Think her and Ru have some weird beef.
^format
@@BussyQueen Her contract is expired so they probably didn’t wanna pay her what she’s actually worth for a cameo appearance. That’s my theory anyway.
But can we talk about how Elektra, who was HATED by the producers and screwed over at almost every turn, still got to the top 5 based on pure talent
This was the perfect chance for a not so polished queen to take the crown 💔
And demonstrated to be the fan favorite, you see comments on her insta and it's all full of love
She said it herself, she can learn makeup, she can buy dresses, but you can't buy talent!! She had a Joe Black moment and had to sell all her drag, and yet they berate her for having scraggly wigs. It's stink
The fact that Anita, Kita and Elektra are the top everythings from this season 👏🏻💅🏻
& not to mention her cumbacks were out of this world hilarious. My dream top 3 was Kita, Anita & Elektra. She's gonna get gorgeous after this airs anyway, like she said.. they all do!
I hated and so disgusted on how they treated Elektra Shock. She’s amazing. She’s the only reason I watched this season.
right?? se deserved to be in the top 4, was in the bottom two times when she shouldn't be... thank god she is receiving the love from the fans, AS SHE SHOULD. also, justice for anita
Feels like they put her in just to bully her the whole time.
Me too, it was horrible
I haven’t watch it since she was eliminated.
I fell instantly in love with her. Total connection - when she left I realized the already crap decisions would just not get better. Im very grateful for the winner. She was the saving grace of the whole sh*tshow.
Down Under in one word: UNDERwhelming.
rpdr down underwhelming season 2 coming to theater near u
DOWNright UNDERwhelming
I know this season sucked, but as an Aussie I'm praying that it'll get renewed for S2, so we can show Aussie and kiwi drag in a better light!
Agreed
the cast was amazing! (except for those two we dont mention) i really hope there's a season 2 bc i know that those queens are beautiful and talented, the production of the show is the one that has to figure it out what they want to do!
Despite a disappointing season it’s clear you have some killer drag performers in Australia.
Mostly everyone is like scarlet adams. Racist and doesn’t care. I hope down under doesn’t get renewed we need more minority representation. Not more white wash on drag race.
to think my hometown is represented by a racist is heart breaking, and overall sad to see the RIGORY and over production of this season, but at least Kita Mean won. let’s PRAY FOR A BETTER SEASON!!! 😭💅
Clicked on this faster than Kennedy could say Milk
LOLLLL BYEE💀🤣
I clicked on this vid faster than Rosé could say Olivia
Lmaoo
I think its spelt *melk
PLSSSS🤣🤣🤣🤣
Drag Race España that high makes absolute sense in my jantasy.
As it should
deserved
Im wondering what its ratings will look like once the season is over, cause its only 4 eps in and its already third, wow...
For me so far, DRES is...perfection.
I’m so happy it’s rated that high from viewers because it’s such a joy to watch.
it’s not a jantasy it’s REAL henny
Uhhh, Karen entirely embodies the word 'flop'. Maybe if they hadn't kept the riggory and pushed her through i would be not as critical.
Honestly I was so surprised when they said Karen was going to be on the show. I've seen her at a handful of clubs and despite having really immaculate costumes, hair, and make-up, she often flubbed improv//didn't jell well with the regular club hosts. That translated on tv to me.
@@charlotteodonnell8175 I'm quite shocked to read this. I don't know why Trixie and Katya hyped her so much before the show, probably just because of her name.
@@theamvatar Look to be completely fair to Karen, in my opinion, she's a strong lip-syncer and when she has a 'script' or rehearsed jokes, she can really work a room. These are also important parts of drag, I just think succeeding on drag race relies on charisma and being funny of the fly too.
Also strangely, this season didn't have any acting challenges which is more so in her wheelhouse.
@@demeliou3844 I was missing the acting challenge, would have preferred it to that yeast spread marketing tbh.
Um I think you are way underselling how terrible Karen's lyrics were in the final song. It was just talking without rhyme or rhythm over the music. Somehow topped how bad her verse was in Episode 3
Bussy, I am going to believe DRDU was a casualty of the pandemic. I hope there is a second season for the sake of redemption. I am so happy beautiful hearted Queen 👑 Kita Mean won.
I hope they have a Rudemption season as well! Also very happy for Kita.
That seriously was the redeeming factor of the entire series.
THAT. All hail Queen Kita!!
I think it was the production/editing. I don't feel like we really got to know any if the queens very well. Until the last episode and then it was too much with Ru and Michelle psychologically analysing them. I enjoyed all the queens, I don't think any of them really had a good showing and I'm looking forward to seeing more of them in future.
@@britsticher8889 In the last episode where we were finally getting to see who they were beyond their drag personas left me feeling that their were things left on the editing floor from previous episodes that would fill in the blanks.
The kiwis and Etcetera are the true top 4 we deserved. I will not accept any substitutions at this time.
The Kiwis and Maxi
And maxi at top 5
That part
Not Elecktra. Her skills would be on point on season 4, not the first one.
Excetera ? You mean Elektra right ? 😂
An added advantage of international seasons not judged by people with previous RPDR work (either as judges or contestants) is that they judge the queens like a FIRST season of a series should be judged and not as if it was an AllStars or a season 14, which is what RuPaul and Michelle are constantly doing. España doesn't just have judges who get the references without simplifying them, they judge (at least, so far) with the consideration one would have in a first season of a show. Not all their choices are agreed on by fans entirely, but they are less harsh with unfair basis. That thing of humiliating a queen on stage for a bad wig in a performance or a dress from the rack when it's season 1 or 2 of a series and was filmed in the midst of a pandemic during which queens lost a lot of resources, or of telling a queen "we've seen this many times before" in an unconventional materials challenge when they're referring to a series in other countries for other audiences, don't sit well with me.
THIS
Absolutely. Do Michelle and Ru have to be the final say in every English-speaking country other than Canada? Ru did at least seem to enjoy DRUK but it looks like he had as much fun as we did watching DRDU.
@@vanessak69 dont be so harsh w the old lady, she just wants to go on vacation around the commonwealth n remind everyone wherever she goes that she was hot shit in the us
@@waddledeedeee RuPaul doesn't have to remind anyone she is "hot shit in America." She's an international icon. She also looks younger than her age and in drag looks amazing. Facts.
I am a British born American citizen and Ru and Michelle’s judging on DRUK is cringeworthy. I really hope they phase themselves out and
let the panel be totally from the UK.
Honestly the top 4 felt very much like there was an obligatory winner…
Art: Went home can’t win
Karen: Hasn’t been good can’t win
Scarlet: Has been the best but is a racist can’t win
Kita Mean: Obligatory winner? Thanks edit!
Scarlet has been the best? Have you seen the season? Sure, she got a lot of wins, but do you really think she deserved all of those?
*Kita Mean: Did good, Perfect Storyline, Vulnerable and Relatable, Unproblematic, Represents Down Under Drag.
@@plc9359 yeah I’m glad they picked the right one was my point!
@@tychoderkommentator2989 i thought her talent show was actually pretty good despite how much i disliked her at that point... but thats it.
her proportions are so weird and im surprised noone mentioned it in the show, the torso of all her dresses look so wonky
Can we all just agree that Rhys Nicholson was great?
Yes. He doesn't need to be called "the hilarious Rhys" to be understood to be a funny and genuine judge.
He was a bright spot and should be kept while adding more regional experts.
Yes we can. He even wore more makeup than the queens in the finale .
He was a lot of fun! I love when they cut to his reactions
He was the saving grace of the series!
It being Invitation only, yet Scarlett Adam's horrible behaviour and racism not being "discovered" until later in is So Sus, what the hell Australia
Of course they knew! The whole thing was set up for storyline. Why do you think Jojo and Coco had to be gone by that episode? They could hardly "forgive" her with actual indigenous Australians standing on the stage.
@@lucyjane3803 100%
Couldn’t have said it better
@@lucyjane3803 yep! with the timing of the episode air date and everything else , it was definitely set up from the start. They had an opportunity to overproduce the show with a bigger purpose in mind. It was gross they chose to include Scarlet in the top 4 without including a queen of color.
@@looli1327 There was a HUGE opportunity to have a real discussion and draw international attention to race issues in Australian culture. Scarlet should have been forced to face at least one representative of the people she has hurt, then told to do better and sashay away. But instead she got blanket forgiveness from someone who had no right to speak on behalf of all Australians, much less indigenous Australians.
He doesn’t represent the whole country, I have never done black face and neither have any of my friends. She represents a minority, a f**ked up minority, that unfortunately still exists and needs to be adressed
I just want to know why they brought up Scarlet's racist past but not Karen's. She had an entire collection of racist dolls and even got it tattooed on her. WTF?!
Whilst I haven't looked this up... I assume I know what dolls they were, and you could get collectable badges of them from marmalade jar labels right up til the 90s when I was growing up, so they were culturally well known in Australia and nobody really thought anything of it. It actually did take a while for it to become acknowledged that they were racist and wrong. But if she had those dolls/tattoo post 1999 then she knew and there is no excusing it.
@@lucyjane3803 The article I found was from 2014 and she definitely knew, she stated so.
@@lucyjane3803 the 'dolls' or badges from jam were available in the UK, too. I never had a badge, but I did have a doll. I was a child, though. It was the 60s. Society was not as enlightened and as aware as it is now. Even through the 90s and 2000s it wasn't.
Karen was a CHILD when she had her collection. And she, like many of us children, was completely unaware of their significance. If you live in a society where this is accepted and don't know any different because this is your world, then you are not going to be aware of it until you mature, grow, learn of things outside your own sphere. Plus, we need to stop looking at past mistakes (past mistakes not including things from 2019, which is when the other Queen last did blackface), through the prism of today's enlightened and hopefully improved outlook. We also need to accept that every single white person in the world has experienced a moment or more of racism in their lives, subconscious or not, intentional or not. The white privilege runs deep and has been part of white society for centuries. Conditioning like that has affected each and every one of us in one way or another. We need to forgive our own forays into it - however minor or unintended - before we start judging others who have done the same.
Karen recognised in 2010 or 2012 that her collection - accrued when she was a child, remember - and the tattoo she had of her favourite doll was wrong. She immediately threw her entire collection away and had her tattoo covered. This was 9 years ago. And she has apologised both then and more recently (because she knew it would come to light during the show) so that the public were made aware of it.
Frankly, as a fellow owner of one of those dolls as a child, and someone who has for years been vocal about racism against indigenous peoples in other countries (mainly Native Americans because I became well read on that topic back in the 80s), and people of colour, not to mention the LGBTQ community, I hope I am doing enough to make up for something that I had - innocently, unknowingly - which was racist. And Karen seems to have been trying to do the same.
As a white person, I am not going to judge. It is not up to me. But what kind of society are we looking for if someone who previously made an honest mistake about something that is now seen as racist (quite rightly), is never forgiven despite trying to make amends? She didn't kill anyone. She didn't harm anyone physically. She came to understand it was wrong and turned her back on it.
As human beings, we are none of us perfect. And we all have things in our past that we are sorry for, should we never be forgiven for it? Should we be pariahs for life despite trying to make amends? That's not very compassionate. Nor is it a good look.
As for Scarlet, I honestly don't know. The apology seemed scripted, forced, and it was obviously over-produced. But if she has truly turned her back on racism (which she was still engaging in in 2019 despite being told by various people that it was wrong), then that is a Good Thing. I hope she is. Because she is talented, no doubt. But she needs to rely on talent and not blackface. Because eventually, that will kill her career.
@@susangamble6038 I find it amusing when people say "Oh society didn't know it was racist at the time" as a defence for the racist things that happened. People of colour definitely knew it was racist at the time, ya'll just didn't listen.
Congratulations on growing and learning and changing for the better. Genuinely, it is not an easy thing to do. But it's disingenuous to act like NOBODY knew it was wrong at the time. Our voices just were not being heard. And frankly a good chunk still don't listen when we point out racism today.
Take Jojo's elimination for example. They sent the indigenous queen home on a pay-to-win challenge (having the best gown ain't cheap tidda). The Indigenous queen. In a country where indigenous people have been systemically disenfranchised for decades resulting in rampant inequality in every arena from social wellbeing, health, education, employment and (most relevant to this situation:) financial stability.
Thus, while not ACTIVE "I-hate-the-abbos" level bigotry. It is still the result of systemic racism which led to Jojo going home first. And yet, I have encountered non-indigenous RPDR fans in every comment section demanding that we just get over it. Because in their (obviously much more informed opinion /s) race played no role.
I'm not forgiving Karen. I'm not forgiving Scarlet. Actions need to be consistent, before they truly indicate change. Apologies right before going on national TV don't indicate that they won't backslide in a month or a year or five years. Not that it matters, they have plenty of non-indigenous people falling all over themselves to forgive you on my behalf anyway. Like Rupaul herself. Actual indigenous people continue to not matter in the grand scheme of things.
@@evangelinebosanquet5073 what is it that you want Karen to do, exactly? And how do you know she has not tried to make amends? I get what you are saying although as a white person it is impossible for me to relate. Certainly, all these things were wrong. But society - or white society at least - had not acknowledged or had ignored them. And growing up in that white society, being indoctrinated by centuries of white privilege, and not being taught anything of this at school because it simply wasn't on the curriculum, children (which is what I was at the time, what Karen was when she collected these dolls) were unaware because they were not taught any different. By anyone.
Of course it was wrong; everyone should be equal. Indigenous people everywhere are treated abominably and have been for decades. And still are, despite our supposedly enlightened times and the knowledge we now all possess and which is everywhere. I don't know how we combat that except adding our own white voices to those who are being oppressed to try to bring about change - in attitudes, in laws, in every way. I see so much denial of racism online. I want to scream at these people. But doing that doesn't help. We need to educate, calmly (although I don't feel calm. And I am not oppressed. The level of anger that exists in indigenous communities must be immense). And I speak of ALL indigenous communities here, Plus people of colour in other countries.
I don't know if Karen has made reparations or amends. Maybe she has been doing and still is. DR is a microcosm of society and issues. If the producers don't wish to broadcast something they won't. It's possible the dolls etc were addressed, along with what she has done since, but it didn't fit the narrative.
Maybe ask her herself what she has done, if there is anything she can think of to make reparations so she can reflect if she has not done so.
Society has a long, long, long way to go. In every country. Not only toward indigenous people, either, but to all those who are treated badly or face prejudice simply for who they are. Mankind needs to evolve, not regress, which is what seems to be happening. I sometimes despair when I look at the world.
If you rewatch old seasons of the show, it's really jarring how soulless and "fake" the new seasons are. Obviously it's all fake, but it's like the heart of the show is gone now and they're just going through the motions.
^ "this" ^
ABSOLUTELY THIS
DRAG RACE USED TO BE MY FAVOURITE TELLY SHOW... I’ve disliked the show since it moved the VH1
you mean back when the girls would cruise the streets of hollywood, causing a scene in thrift stores diving into dumpsters harassing strangers on the sidealk and running amok while genuinely enjoying themselves... where did all that go... remember when they were waving from the tour bus in s5... they had so much fun ... "they couldnt clock me they thought i was jada pinkett smith up in here"
becuase the show got woke. at the moment it doesnt matter if you are doing good in the competion or if you are the most talented one. if you are not part of the opppresed community, you will never win. i miss the old season where talent hard word and tenacity are rewarded. like they booted monica beverly hills because she sucked at the challeneg and didnt try to kept her because she's trans. None of that bullshit. YOu do good, you stay, you do bad you go home. simple and no woke agenda
And that's why the last season I watched all the way through was season 8; and even back then I noticed it was getting too predictable and scripted.
Something that also was interesting was Etcetera's elimination bc their commercial was too crude, when they were the only one not using misogynistic jokes about vaginas and normal bodily functions. All the others genuinely felt mean and derogatory, and like we poke fun of vaginas, rather than a genuine artistic expression, comment, or humour. A bit fucked that the nb queen, the one who spoke out against Scarlet's blackface, was eliminated. Felt a bit like drag is to make fun of everyone who isn't a white-cis man. Honestly maybe this cast would've been more diverse if they'd had an open call.
yesss, the misogyny and racism is strong this season… when it’s supposed to be an inclusive show. that within itself made it fail
Literally everything you commented shows you don't understand true Drag.
They weren't misognystic quit being sensitive, they were just fine jokes that you want to be butthurt by for no reason. Than you say it's fucked up that Etc went home after after calling out the blackface but... she did the worst in the challenge? Being a woke queen doesn't save you from a lack of talent and it's weird you think it does.
@@SuperPandacupcakes Y'all children need to learn when to use the word racism. Just because something happened that could appear racists (POC queens being the first 2 out), doesn't make it racist. No one sent them home because they were POC, that would be racism.
Genuine question to everyone - why is Etcetera's Snatch Game performance not considered problematic and everyone's apologetic of it? I mean, I know this fandom fucking sucks and cherry picks when it comes to "problematic", but why is everyone losing their goddamn mind over certain things, but ignoring others?
"I think that going forward, there should be a lot of steps of reparation, and not just saying you're sorry but doing things to show that you're sorry and I think that's really important." - virtue signaling at its finest. I guess punching down at a woman who traumatically lost her child and was gaslit by an entire country for years is okay.
Side note - I love "dark" and "edgy" humour but for something to be considered humour - it has to be funny.
@@veryoriginalname366 I see you point, but I think that’s the whole issue. People can’t just disagree on something being funny and move on. The people who don’t like it have to scream it on every platform possible, and the people who do like it argue back. No one can accept that people have differing opinions anymore sadly.
The fact that Down Under didn't have a night of a thousand Kath and Kim runway was a tragedy.
honestly they could have told etcetera not to do lindy, they told olivia lux not to do rachel dolezal and i think she’s less offensive than a woman being mistreated by the legal system.
I think that's because--as someone mentioned above-- Ru Paul and Michelle did not get some of the references down under. For Americans, the whole dingo-ate-my-babe is funny but they don't realize how tragic this whole thing really was. That's really shameful from Ru Paul himself as a producer.....
@@walterajimenez9466 insert "some" before Americans thinking a dingo ate my baby is funny - the line is dingo took my baby...not funny either way
I think part of why they didn’t tell her to not do Lindy was because Ru has made jokes about that event in main seasons past, if my memory serves right she made a joke in the season 8 first episode and all the judges laughed with her. I think they realized they fucked up when they watched someone else try to crack a joke about that issue.
Usually Ru and Michelle make the show but for this season they ruined it big time 🙄. At this point, he might as well make amends with Courtney Act because she’s the only way the show has a chance of being saved.
As an Australian I was so worried this was going to happen. The season was so short, there was no budget, runway themes were bad, and the rigery was so obvious.
Hateful misogyny and disgusting “jokes” at the expense of women, the biggest group of miserable, joyless queens who were myopically at each other’s throats- and not in an entertaining way, dull challenges, overproduction... what could go wrong?
That was my problem too. They were so unlikeable. The 3 most charming queens were all gone by the third episode! I was not invested in those who were left.
Perfect synopsis of the season!
Jokes at the expense of women is what drag relies on so it’s odd that you’d single just the down under version for this.
@@looli1327 nah all the kiwi queens were the only likeable queens
@@jamesb4729 plenty of drag doesn’t revolve around this at all. I feel like these sorts of jokes are more prevalent in the UK and Australian drag. A lot of more current American drag is about performance art or being conceptual than it is about making a joke out of “a man in a wig” tbh
Rhys Nicholson was CRIMINALLY underused in this series. He's an actual comedian and knows the Australian/some NZ context and yet he was given so little to do!
He was one of the only things that kept me going through this series. I hope that if they renew for another season that he gets a bigger role after they fix all the issues.
Am I the only one who thinks his critiques may have been cut because he would have used a lot of Aussie humour that Ru and US audiences just wouldn't get? As an Aussie, sad and disappointed this season wasn't made for us. It felt like it was a watered down 80's stereotype of Australia for American audiences, and half the references like "bogan prom" didn't even make sense. Not everything has to be through a US lens!
@@birdeeable there is a strong possibility this is the case - very sad. I also don't feel like the season was made for us at all
I loved him in the season, I thought this season was really good one of my favourite snatch games of all time
COURTNEY WOULD BE A GREAT CO-JUDGE
Given that they gave Brooklyn Canada Drag Race I was surprised that they didn’t try harder to sweet talk Courtney into it.
@@gingerkid1048 SO TRUE
@@gingerkid1048 I saw the trainwreck coming a mile off, pretty sure she could too and was smart enough to steer well clear.
Lmao rupaul hates Courtney so this would never happen
RuPaul blocked her so that’ll never happen lol
The only good things we got from this season are the queens except *ehem ehem* , the pit crew, and Rhys Nicholson
Rhys was great. Easily the best judge.
I'm honestly sad that Down Under has higher ratings than Holland. Sure, Holland was messy too but at least the judging was pretty much fair until the Snatch Game and it managed to reach the incredibly low bar of not favouring a racist (and the season also suffered from being rushed and being filmed in lockdown)
I loved Holland and have no idea why people didn’t like it. I agree it was sorta messy, first season and all. But I loved the queens! Sederginne is incredible!
Let me just say that Ru is not in the right place to excuse all Scarlets' actions. Yes, he is a person of colour, but he can't talk on behalf of muslim or indigenous people Scarlet has offended. It just seems off-putting to see Ru taking that role of the supreme judge who excuses all Scarlets' actions
This was so infuriating. It's not because Rupaul chooses to forgive Scarlet, that all black people (moreover all POC) should forgive her. One black person can't speak for all the community. It's up to each person of this community to forgive or not.
You know what? no one is offended by scarlett's actions
@@lulusart4576 a lot of people are, you're just delusional
@@lulusart4576 Seriously? What world do you live in??
Yes. This. There was also so much Ru could've said and brought light to about so-called-Australia's historical and continuing oppression of its Indigenous peoples, land and culture. Australia also has it's own unique history of blackface, and blackface still airs nationwide here (think Chris Lilley etc). Especially as Bussy said, this aired during reconciliation week.
Quite ironic how everyone was so excited for DU and then in about 2-3 episodes in, gave up.
I feel what was so unlikable was just the lacking critiques and fan-favorites being eliminated first and the problematic queens being in the finale (except Kita, well deserved win.) Really just favoritism and riggory.
As an Aussie and MASSIVE Drag Race fan, and huge fan of Drag, I am so pissed off. The production was horrendous. They didnt even ask the girls who they were, what their backstories where, we didnt get to find out who they were as people?? The American ones present them as full people, these were just guys in wigs. Ru was awful, she didn't even try to know the local references, Michelle at least tried a little bit. I found Ru to be disrespectful and rude.
They are also presenting a really outdated 80s version of us that doesnt exist, NO ONE says the word 'sheila' or 'shrimp on the barbie' its just mortiying. The racism stuff was horrific, they should have done their research, but the production made it look like its something that all Aussies do??? NOPE! If this means we dont get another season Aussies will be SO angry, we have some the worlds best drag talent and the most amazing queer scene
To be fair, I live in Melbourne and we say Sheila all the time. lol But yeah, no shrimps on barbies ever!
It does seem Down Under and even the UK drag race are all portrayed through an American lens. I get it needs it's own identity, hence why the UK one has so many references to the Queen and tea etc. But there's also less emphasis on just how much variety the UK has besides just London which alot of Americans tend to not fully understand. What's great is different countries have unique spins on their drag culture, its not going to be like American drag and that shouldn't be a bad thing!
I'm Canadian, and I wasn't impressed with Drag Race Canada either, for similar reasons. We don't live on back bacon and poutine and say "eh" after every 5th word. The best part about it was watching Vinegar Stroke's brilliant recaps. It says a lot when it takes Vinegar to take a bad taste out of your mouth.
As an American, I felt so embarrassed how awful Ru and production have been for DRDU and DRUK. Especially DRDU. It was so cringe! 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️😬😬 American fans of Drag do not claim RuPaul atm. Americans already make asses of themselves in so many other ways, we don’t need RuPaul and production making asses out of us as well. 🤦🏻♀️ At least Michelle tries, but even then, SHEESH! 👀👀
I was legit looking forward to seeing Drag from different countries and production ended up putting an American filter on it.
Whether they are English speaking countries or not, the main judges need to be from said country so the judging is accurate and the contestants don’t feel pressured to “Americanize” their Drag.
@@charlielew2933 thankyou!! Americanize their drag is right. we have a really unique drag scene down here, especially in Sydney, we are a VERY queer city (look up Mardi Gras)....it just felt stomped on.
Also I dont like when they say things like: "I dont want any fucking H&M in this runway"... like, helloooo... just already tell the queens: "if your are not willing to gamble your house and probably your entire life with a debt, dont even bother to come here". Its just sad. Rupaul forgetting that were the humble queens of the likes of Chi Chi (RIP) who pave the way to his Emmys. Just saying.
If we're really lucky, the producers have taken notes while the season aired and figure out what they need to do next time. You can tell a combo of the pandemic and a lower budget were not helping things. Here's hoping season 2 is better... after all, All Stars 1 was considered the worst season of Drag Race for a long damn time and then they came back with All Stars 2 and destroyed everyone so maybe that'll happen here. If nothing else, we need a season 2 so the Down Under queens can redeem that awful Snatch Game.
Poor
lets just hope we get lucky
The fact that BUSSY did her research on the social issues related to RPDR in the Australia n NZ is really awesome. Yes this show should have paid respects to maori and aboriginal people. The people whose lands this season made money off
A lot of people seem to be keen on the idea of Courtney Act as a head judge. Even though it would be cool, I think having Kita (as a winner) and Anita (as fan fave and unofficial miss congeniality) as co-judges would be great. With Rhys being the Aussie representation, it would make a balanced (and quite enjoyable) judging panel, with the addition of the usual guest judge. Giving a franchise to a former winner would be a first, but it could be the saving grace for a second season
Courtney knew better than to go near that mess and after how this season played out, she won't touch it with a 50ft pole. She has moved beyond Australian TV anyway, going back to something like that now would just damage her brand.
Considering Kita and Anita have already hosted two seasons of a drag competition, they're really the obvious choice.
Wait, how would Art be Miss Congeniality? Wasn't she like really rude in the makeover episode or was that just editing?
@@tychoderkommentator2989 anita not art babes
@@tychoderkommentator2989 you misread what they said - they're talking about Anita Wiglet, not Art 😜
Art will definitely NOT be Miss Congeniality 😂
To be fair Nashas return is pretty fair in season 8 because they didn't have enough queens to do acting challenge in the next episode because of the double elimination and she was the only queen that could be brought back unless they were going to bring back one of the queens that were just in a double elimination.
And Nasha always seemed like a real professional :) I didn't mind her coming back either, it made sense
I remember reading comment about DRDU saying 'this was the first season that I just stopped watching' and I just thought they were exaggerating, but nope. I think just over half way, I just checked out
me too.. i stopped watching when anita got eliminated
I stopped after episode 5, when RuPaul gave Scarlet a blanket pass for her problematic behaviour. Ended up just watching the IMHO recaps.
This is the first season since season 6 that actually finished (granted I haven't seen every season since season 6). I think it was cause I was rooting for Kita Mean since day, and probs would have not watched the finale had she been eliminated 5th in the talent show.
I stopped watching when they brought art back tbh
i watched the three first episodes here on youtube and didn't find any reason to have a look on the others. i'm not super analytic but, yeah, i felt i wasn't tempted to look further.
I was enjoying the season until they bring back Art without explanation and sent home Elektra because the others queens didnt like her.
The thing is... the image we got from Karen on UNHhhh was 1000x better than what we saw on DRDU.
no one mentions the level of misogyny featured on the 'yeast extract' episode.
Can we talk about how Electra Shock correctly called out the winner in the mirror message?
her sacrifice (toning it down for kita) was not in vain and im so glad it worked in both their favor, think she also did it to make sure scarlet didnt get crowned
This season literally took Down Under way too literally, it needs to be buried down under and never come back 😂
I really feel sorry for the Aussie queens, in the cast and not casted. I feel like there’s so much talent “down under” and this season was very bad at showcasing it. I feel like they were more concerned about meeting a deadline than creating a good show.
i 100% agree
I haven't seen DR Holland, but there's no way it's worse than Down Under
It’s not, but it was envy Peru’s drag race from the get go.
I am also shooketh because the first episode was fantastic and showed the level of professionalism especially on the runway. My issues with that season was that they robbed some queens of the win while one queen was getting all the attention - even when she wasn't the best - and that sometimes they would produce commercials or shows in acting challenges and not show the end result.
I actually really enjoyed it. Way better than DRDU imo.
@@pcorrigan2293 I love envy’s makeup she’s just immaculate
@@pcorrigan2293 agreed. I liked envy, but honestly that half and half runway made me just stop paying attention to the placements because the judges clearly were on some sort of crack
As an Australian its easy to feel let down by the production, it just felt like a bunch of yanks had descended to judge queens with little to no knowledge of the local culture. Getting them to market a yeast extract really makes Australians feel seen apparently. It didn't surprise me when Ru and Michelle didn't get any of the references presented. I feel as if it would be best if there wasn't a second season, and we came up with something distinctly antipodean instead. So in the end, Ru Paul's Drag Race Down Under gets a big 'yeah, nah' from me.
i don't think you can blame it on cultural differences; a lot of references and humour goes over their heads on the british leg of the show too, but that hasn't affected (at least not in a big way) the quality of the show or the fans' opinions of it. it definitely has its own issues (due to it being on the bbc, they're not allowed to award any prizes for example) but the australian leg of the show can really can only be blamed on favouritism & MAJOR production errors. the way they were casted in the first place was the first of several dozen red flags lol. no care whatsoever was put into crafting this season which is a huge shame
Production company was completely Australian. If anything, the unprofessionalism and lack of social awareness was an Australian thing, not ‘yank.’ If an American queen had a history of black face, she would have been erased from the season completely by the us producers.
I'm aussie as well. TBF Ru understands a lot of Australian references, he's married to an Aussie. I enjoyed the season myself, I thought the runways were fantastic, the challenges, not so much.
@@NotSoUnitedNations it definitely did affect druk fan perception, for example joe black’s david bowie and brighton looks. he got sent home despite the beauty of his costumes, when any british person could immediately recognise those references (but michelle could not).
so yep can’t rule that out based on druk
Not to mention the pre-recorded scripted Zoom guest celebrities. Cringe!
In interview with Guardian Australia, Jojo has revealed that it wasn't confirmed they were signing up for Drag Race until they had the final contracts. Secrecy gone overboard.
Bring on RPDRDU Season 2… just with a few small changes: no Covid-related shenanigans, no short lead time, no questionable audio and editing, no prerecorded “crosses” to guests, no overproduction, no hand-picked queens, and last but not least - for the love of god, NO RUPAUL OR MICHELLE VISAGE ON THE JUDGING PANEL! Seriously! Hosting and judging an international edition of your own franchise and then constantly claiming not to understand cultural references isn’t just lazy, it’s downright disrespectful. Stick with Rhys, bring in Courtney as main host (*so* not gonna happen but it would be sickening!), and then a rotating roster of the many Australian artists who’d be a perfect fit for a RPDR guest judge gig! Those ingredients would make for a truly engaging season of Down Under.
Let Kita Mean host! Her prize was kinda small in comparison to US and Canada anyway.
I gave up when Art Simone came back. I didn't like her to start with and it just felt so ridiculous. I was actually watching my way through all the original drag races but now I don't want to because of how badly this messed up. I'll stick to the UK version thanks, it seems a lot less catty and mean
Try Drag Race Thailand
Try drag race españa
just watch the single digit seasons
Try España for clear skin
The season really was a victim of the pandemic. Its sudden move to NZ, meant the guest judges couldn’t appear in person (hence the awkward prerecorded ‘crosses’). I think it also prevented the first two eliminated queens being offered a chance to return … because this was filmed before the Australia - New Zealand travel bubble, they would have already been back in Australia, and would have had to quarantine for two weeks to be able to return to the show in Auckland.
As others have said, the judging panel really needed more Aussie and Kiwi representation (part of Drag Race Espana’s success) to appreciate the local references … if only Ru could get over her grudges and allow Courtney Act to be chief judge. 🙏
no truer words have been said: if only Ru could get over her grudges and allow Courtney Act to be chief judge. preach mother, preach. amen...
Art Simone was the second queen eliminated, not the third. So it wasn’t the two first eliminated queens that couldn’t come back as they’d already left and so would need to quarantine, it was the first and third queens who “couldn’t” come back. Not saying it wasn’t covid related, maybe Art stayed in NZ after instead of returning home like the others but in most past episodes when the queens are eliminated and there’s a redemption episode planned they’re not sent home, they have to stay in seclusion at the hotel. I’m not implying anything or saying you’re wrong but whatever the reason it was badly handled and certainly made the whole season look bad.
@@littlemisspsych1218 Oops. My bad - sorry. Shows how much attention I was paying (either that or my memory is failing … possibly both!). 😵💫😵💫
@@FromtheWindowSeat Not at all!! I agree with what you’ve said and honestly I had to check myself that I wasn’t misremembering! The whole thing is a hazy blur of “did I dream that?!” 😅
@@littlemisspsych1218 Ha! Yeah - hoping Down Under gets a second series so they can make up for the first! 🤞
Gonna say it Rupaul didn't clock into work. Period! Couldn't give an F to even show up in drag for the premier.
There’s so much weight behind the conspiracy that Ru wasn’t even there for any of the show.
We don’t see her actually crown Kita. And there’s a bunch of scenes where Ru is facing the wrong way to the queens
It would have been preferable to be in NZ than the US in January - vaccine rollout had only just started, Trump was leaving office, covid & Q MAGAs everywhere being scary - & NZ was the only? covid free paradise
Can we all just appreciate how good Bussy is at discussing difficult/controversial topics?
Honestly, Rhys Nicholson saved it all. He was SO enjoyable to watch. I really wish he could be a more present judge.
As an Aussie myself, i was happy with the representation, I just think it would have played on the screen better if it was judged by an Aussie/Kiwi panel.
Art coming back for no reason made no sense and I think they should have waited one more episode before letting a queen back in which they would have had to win their spot back. There are many euphemisms that were used that would have made it more believable like Espanol/Holland we might not get the jokes but the judges sure as hell do so it flows a lot better. I felt like it was a bit awkward at times and I just don’t think Ru needs to do the international shows. I would love Courtney to judge season 2 if there is one.
We are such a multicultural country that I don't think there was enough representation. Where were the asians? Where were the Mediterraneans? Where were the middle easterners? Mostly everyone was as white as white can get and thats not what our country is like imo. I do agree with the rest of what you were saying, much better with Aussie/Kiwi judges.
I'm aussie as well and I, for the mostpart enjoyed the show. I thought the rucycled runway was one of the best of any season. I wanted Art to win but omg she overthought every challenge, once she relaxed into it she was great. Re Art coming back, how come nobody remembers that Kandy Muse came back after she was eliminated before she even left the stage. I really hope there's a season 2 and its filmed in Australia. Also that prize money was pathetic.
@@leelee2350 I kind of felt after she was eliminated that they weren’t playing favourites and then I was quickly eating my words after the Karen saves too, you could clearly see the direction the show was taking. I kind of agree about the money, although since we don’t pay prize tax here they could have at least matched it with $50k, I’m sure Stan could afford that.....
@@claudiabuono840 I was talking about the representation in general but if we’re talking race then I do agree there especially a Maori queen not being included to show the diversity of NZ wasn’t very fair. They should have made it a 12 star cast and added a little more flavour as they had their stars and the 3way story line with the NZ girls so there was only a few spots left.
@@belladamex767 Totally agree, they needed more diversity on both ends
This season was a hit piece on Art Simone’s career, I swear. 😂
IF they announce a Season 2 , Ru and Michelle should get local judges. Actually that would be the best idea for all of the international series. This season was just so wholly underwhelming and lacklustre on so many levels.
I hate Thailand wasn't broadcast world wide. I loved it. Such a different point if view of drag
#RenewDRT - Thailand remains my fave ever
Yup. Thailand season 2 is one of my favourite seasons. The different structure, different method of judging, the fact they filmed over months rather than a couple of weeks so the queens could actually take on the feedback from judges and do something to implement it rather than still being rushed and stuck with what's already brought and made, more varied challenges (some quite leftfield) and then got to show off all their creative skills if they made the finale by putting on their own show was excellent. Only issues were overly heavy-handed product placement, often of insane beauty products and surgeries (giving a queen surgical procedures as a prize?! what!?), the replacement of the pit crew with models/contestants from another show, Art being gone to judge that other show one episode, and sub-par subtitles (thankfully a dedicated person did their own subtitles that also went to the effort of explaining cultural references).
@@joescotchman that sounds amazing actually. thailand was already on my to-watch list but now i will definitely watch it!
I wasnt a fan of how they called out Scarlett for her past, but didn't touch on Karen's drama too. I don't know much on the side of Karen's stuff, but people seemed just as mad. So far so, that Karen issued a statement about it.
This might be the worst season of RuPaul ever, but it had the HOTTEST pit crew, period.
I give the pit crew win to España
@@calboy2 period
@@calboy2 pit crew all stars... includes wrestling in baby oil with pillow fights included
I will say losing the footage of Arts elimination, and having her come back and film 3 lipsyncs until they could get new footage to justify her elimination... does kinda explain why she got brought back. But they narrative of the show should have justified it.
I heard that tweet was fake?
what a fantastic post mortem, very accurate on all points honestly.
and gotta love the bussy math time! need more!
I think the art tweet was a joke, idk..
I 100% agree.
RuPaul didn’t cancel Scarlet because Ru herself has worked with a black face artist in the past….
I didn't know that! Do you know who the artist was?
@@alatheakennick3978 Shirley Q Liquor
@@ryry1982 girl I thought you were going to say Raven 💀💀💀
But, after looking it up, that's really fucked.
Production kinda ensured Scarlett will never be well received outside of the AU. Had she been kicked out, she would have turned it into a redemption arc by the time ASI2 came around.
“Tell RuPaul, I want her to know it was me!”
-Courtney Act on this season
💀 omg
I feel like this just proves that Ru is getting lazy. He used to put an emphasis on current issues and the fact that drag is a political statement. However, Ru doesn't want to continue to educate himself on what matters now and just BARLEY gets by with allowing a trans queen or non-binary queen every once and a while... and that's only been in the last few years. Idk, I love drag queens and that's the only reason I watch drag race but its getting exhausting. I've officially come to the conclusion that you and Juno Birch are too good for drag race 🤷♀️
I hope Juno never goes on drag race. She’s an amazing queen but I don’t want the riggery to get her 🥺
no ur right! they are!
i never wanna see juno birch or bussy or imp kid or the other queen in stephanies child on drag race, a lot needs to change quickly
Bless your knowledge and understanding of indigenous Australian holidays and respect of us probably more than the aus govt ever will xxx thanks boo
There were also too many lazy Aussie stereotypes used throughout the season. A very fair and balanced review from Bussy
Something is OFF about the casting since season 12 and on, and the hairless cat story is now making this more obvious than ever, otherwise I don't think any queen with a past like 🍒🥧, E2T or Scarlett would even DARE to enter, lest their faults be aired out on an international scale, demolishing their local careers aswell
E2T???
@@Swtch_blade Elliott with 2 T's
Elliott was after the show, and also has redeemed himself (in a way) in the eyes of quite a lot of people. I don't think he can be compared to the likes of scarlett or sherry considering what they did.
@@inventions178 what exactly did Elliott say? I heard about it but never found out
@@inventions178 what I mean is, Elliotts comments and transphobia from her past are kinda well recorded, and it doesn't take more than two flicks of the finger on her IG to find it. Which means the background check and stuff was super lazily done
Sacrificing Electra to the storyline that they wanted to tell was the most reprehensible stunt that the producers inflicted upon the show. That's where they lost me.
The minute in the opening episode when we found out Ru's make up was lost in transit I knew this season was going to be bad. I've literally watched the first episode have haven't tuned in since. I've watched more review vids than the actual season
I'd argue Naysha was justified, because there had just been a double elimination, and the next challenge was an acting challenge with a specific amount of roles to fill. They would have had to rewrite the script for that if they hadn't brought her back.
My major issue with Holland and Down Under were the lack of originality, after I watch these two franchises I didn't learn nothing about Holland and down under type of drag and their own "drag world" and references, felt so empty everything
As an Aussie I really disliked this season and even how they portrayed Aussie culture. None of that show was social norms here even just the talking and dialect people here don’t speak like that. Felt incredibly gimmicky and a missed opportunity. Was disappointed.
thanks for the comment - I suspected as much. I've heard so many complaints about drag race canada (and maybe some about the judges were valid) but i am Canadian and it felt pretty authentic to me - not like they were putting on an image of Canada but like what canada is actually like. I shocked when they did the Canadian heritage moments, I don't think you would even know what that is if you're not Canadian. Although there were some problems with the judging I was thrilled that Ru and Michelle were not judges because they are not canadian and wouldn't get it - so painfully obvious in drag race UK
@@brendakerber7923 Drag Race Canada actually felt like "Drag Race taking place in Canada", not "Drag Race but with Canadians" if that makes any sense. It felt like how a Canadian reality TV show is produced with great casting but lowkey cheap production, and messier but usually a fun product due to the messiness (Kinda like Big Brother Canada where it's messier show, but pretty much universally considered better than BBUS in the fandom due to it being a series where the casts absolutely bring it)
naysha wasnt necessarily brought back for "no reason" though, ru had eliminated layla and dax prior, so there was an "extra spot" and naysha was the only one eliminated before!
I just don't want Ru and Michelle to judge the international seasons. This shouldn't be "drag race x country: try to be america". For example, snatch game could be replaced with a different popular show of the country that the queens actually can refer to, and showcase their own countries queer history and activists in general. I'm tired of hearing the exact same referneces over and over, or the judges not understanding the references because they are american and don't have the same cultural background and humor.
Have loved your commentary on this the whole way through bussy! I like that you tried to understand the references where you could and become better educated about Aussie culture ☺️ love ya gurl x
Sydney Mardi Gras was one of the most amazing events I’ve ever attended. I wish that was covered and not a “ dingo ate my baby”. Ru has no right to accept an apology on behalf of Australasian racism. Ru should stick to the US
I never thought I would say this. The non US seasons, are better without RU. Drag Race Spain is a great season.
Bussy gets it. Also need to talk about the absence of Māori and Sāmoan, Islander representation. Saying kia ora is cute and all, but that really stood out.
Bussy don't be shy, make a video analysing everything wrong with drag race Holland. As someone from Holland, I really wonder how it was for other nationalities to watch it. Cuz for me, they were pushing dutch stereotypes like you would for tourists, while also doing very specific stuff that nobody outside of the Netherlands would understand (like all the snatch game characters). Plus all the other mess of course like that pink dress prize lmao
German here, I loved it! But it was definitely because of the queens. I like Fred as a host, tho sometimes the judging was a bit off imho. I wish all non US seasons would just ignore “production” as much as possible. Create fun challenges and let the queens shine. The rest will come naturally.
@@mxmox the judging really seemed to be based on looks only? Which makes sense cuz the judges were all just fashion people except the occasional guest judge but it was like... do they understand what drag is at all?
Nobody in the English speaking world has watched it
If the season was just 100% trash I wouldn't be mad but when the cast was so damn strong, Rhys is one of the best international judges and there were some enjoyable challenges! The judging, lack of development of storylines or characters and favouritism towards people who didn't deserve it was just...no ma'am...also getting rid of Anita and the two non white Queens so damn fast in a season full of racists? I do hope we still get a season 2, maybe with Kita and Anita as judges, just to prove this season was just a product of a pandemic
I stopped watching after Etc went home, I loved Elektra but I knew she had no chance at even making it to the finale so I thought what's the point on watching until she inevitably goes home
Kita was really the only rightful winner of this season but a part of me (the shady side that wants to see the world burn) would've wanted Scarlett to win just to crown this season as the official w o r s t lol
Anyway, I'm happy for Kita, Etc, Elektra and Anita getting to show a little bit of themselves in this season and getting so much love from the fans
The cynthia speech at the beginning lmfao incredible
Scarlet wasn't the only one with a racist past, so did Art and Karen, still not sure why that wasn't brought up
Why art?
@@renatopascua9408 did you not see the apology she did for past behaviour?
There's a rumor that one of the queens brought up Karen's past in untucked, but the entire untucked was cut from the episode.
This is hilarious yet informative! Love it
“Turns out people didn’t like that double crowning” that’s an understatement
The part that pissed me off about Ru forgiving Scarlett is that the offences were not against her. It wasn't blackface, it was blakface. A super offensive parody of Aboriginal people. Not black people as a whole. It wasn't Ru's place to forgive.
Rupaul and Michelle being judges on the international versions of drag race is such a mistake. Being famous somewhere doesn't make you an authority on that culture. I hate watching talented queens get torn down by two clueless boomers
Thanks for your balanced and thoughtful perspective. I appreciate the way you discussed the Scarlet situation with compassion and intelligence. May we all engage in these conversations with a similarly open mind and caring heart.
I honestly was waiting for your makeover episode review and was so sad that you didn't do that! It would have been more exciting than the episode for sure
Drag race Espana is everything to me
The riggory was strong with this season.
your videos are so good i can’t
Great points! Thanks for always being so unbiased and giving great content!!
How did Drag Race Holland score lower than Down Under??? The looks in DRH were so much better and the personalities and performances too. I understand it might be the language and culture barrier (I am a dutch speaker) but still..
The lipsyncs were bad and the challenges were predictable. That said, I'm shocked that season 7, 11, and AS1 weren't below both.
This season was a joke. I was already wish washy with it, but when I heard that Scarlet got a pass I gave up on it completely. It irks me so much how a person with a racist past wasn't even edited out like Sherry Pie or yelled at like Joe Black..Make it make sense
Right? Joe Black was literally SCREAMED at for being poor, in the middle of a pandemic. I haven't enjoyed Ru at all in recent seasons - not in touch with reality.
Did you hear about the issues with UK season 3? Willam was in London during filming and got the dish from the industry there, she says the filming schedule was so far behind they forced the S3 queens to film one episode PER DAY without breaks, and pushed them so hard the mental health coordinator from the BBC quit and said they would never work with RPDRUK again.
I love the beginning eulogy reference of Cynthia Lee Fontaine in Untucked when Eureka broke that chair😂❤️
I stopped watching after they dragged Elektra to the bottom two for the third time...ridiculous
I’m wondering if the racist energy steaming of this season is predominantly due to the down under production team and their own internal bias and racism in editing and storyline choices.