The Arsenal News Show EP455: Odegaard Latest, Zinchenko Deal, Bayern Munich Team News & More!
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- The Arsenal News Show EP455: Odegaard Latest, Zinchenko Deal, Bayern Munich Team News & More!
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Tom presents a daily show on The Gooner Talk covering all the latest Arsenal news, Arsenal transfer news, match reaction, press conferences and much more plus a Q&A session taking questions from the LIVE chat. Get all your Arsenal news now and every day. Links to Fantasy code, Twitter, Instagram, audio-only platforms and our channel membership scheme including entry to the Discord community: linktr.ee/TheGoonerTalk
0:00 Intro
2:30 Arsenal Phone-In Show
3:05 Under-21s lose with no Timber again
3:46 Arsenal beat Bristol to stay in title race
4:23 Ian Wright criticises early leavers
7:22 Granit Xhaka sends Arsenal title message
8:22 Zinchenko contract latest
9:45 Odegaard latest
10:46 Mikel Arteta press conference
11:57 Q&A - Sport
I have been called “plastic fan” on social media for being a non-English Arsenal supporter multiple times, even though I have been supporting this club for over 20 years. And after seeing those supporters leaving the stadium against Villa after the first goal was sad. Heck, I saw the Arsenal live for the first time in my life against Sevilla here in Spain last year. I have been living in Spain for about 5 years now, but I wanted to wait until we got back in the Champions League to see my club, even though it was a big hit to my family income. I wonder how many non-English supporters were leaving the stadium early last Sunday…
Let’s get behind the players and support them. It has been an amazing ride and things are only starting for us. We can get a result in Munich. And, please, be there in the good times, and in the tough times too.
COYG.
I have periodically left this comment for months now in regards to Timber, but ACL injuries often take 9 to 12 months (12 months in the worse cases if it's a complete rupture/tear and other structural damage occurs). Timber coming back isnt the answer because he won't have enough time to get up to game speed. Folks will only criticize Timber when he isn't the difference maker/playing to the level we say in August. Let that brotha heal up and be ready for next season.
Watching Cole Palmer unerringly producing the final pass or shot on goal time and again made me realise the lack of such a player in our team. The fact that Villa didn't play out as much from the back against Spuds like they did against us indicates Emery felt they could get away with a couple of mistakes against us coz we dont have a player like Son who is capable of taking even half a chance. The chances Palmer have been converting were much more difficult in my view than the one we have been squandering each and every game.
supposed to be trossad or viera
I completely agree. I've been screaming out for a 'maverick' type player. A player who has that X factor who can shoot from distances you wouldnt expect him to shoot from and find the net. Alexis Sanchez was that player all those years ago and it feels like we play very systematically and at times, robotically to create our chances and goals.
@@m.d8434 supposed to be martinelli, jesus and saka tbf.. world class saka still hasnt produced a hat trick or a 20 goal season for arsenal. He has a spell of 3 months every season where he scores and then he runs dry for 3 months. Martinelli and jesus doesnt even give us that, they bring a lot of energy but there is no direction and conviction to direct that energy.
I just wonder what could have been if we had a legit killer up front that could match the creative production of ødegaard. Ive followed martins whole career and he has never had a prolific goal scorer to really feed. His highlight reels are literally hour and hours worth of the most insane through balls and chance creations just getting wasted by mediocre forwards. It this point i just want arsenal to put the whole summer budget into a proper forward.
@@m.d8434 Palmer is far more dynamic and faster than both Viera and Trossad ...I think those 2 attributes are key to his game enabling him to find space away from traffic and take shots on goal or make the the final pass.
Odegaard has some of those attributes
There’s the rub Tom! How does someone not recognize our ascension with Arteta? We are still fighting for the Premier League title. We are about to play Bayern in the round of sixteen in the Champions League. Now, where were we when Arteta took over in December 2019? That’s called progression. The process hasn’t stopped. We will improve our quality again this summer. 👍
Hello Tom. I would appreciate your opinion on this as it’s hard for me to put my points in the live shows because of the character limitations & the fact that I’m 6 hours behind England! In my belief, if the reason behind Raya replacing Ramsdale lies in the fine margins, then the same principle should be applied to Zinchenko. It is evident that Zinchenko has major defensive lapses, and this season there has been a clear emphasis on reducing the number of chances conceded. Tomiyasu, on the other hand, offers the defensive discipline that Arteta desires, along with the ability to play the inverted role, albeit not as proficiently as Zinchenko. He is certainly a capable replacement. I would like to draw your attention to Zinchenko's defensive shortcomings in the matches against Liverpool at Anfield for two consecutive years. In contrast, Tomiyasu does not make the same mistakes as Zinchenko, and this could potentially be the difference between earning 1 or 3 points. Also, I believe playing with Zinchenko makes the backline nervous. Fine margins Tom!
I made the mistake again of going on twitter after we lost, so depressing, that why I didn't watch your show yesterday tom. Our loudest fans that criticize the team, Arteta, also love to use bottle jobs too which adds fuel to the fire for our critics outside of the club to use against us.
Bad week so far for us gunner fans. Chin up community, we got a big game against Bayern . So please support your team with 1k likes 😅
Mmm I'd agree that Arteta has done a lot to get us 'competitive' riff raff gone different work ethic etc etc. That's great as he's effectively laid down the groundwork to go even further. We'd all like to see that but one crucial factor you seem to ignore is that it also looks like he's not that person, the one to take us into finals to have a say into the last day of the season to have a say in where the trophies end up. You could argue Arteta is like the really 'good' pro that cannot deliver the great killer pass in the final 3rd...mmm as a player that's exactly what he was and for me he's showing when it gets to the business end of stuff he's the same as a manager. I'd love him to take us there but from his decision making when the crunch comes I cannot see him being that man
usually this season Kai and Leo score those chances. this last game they didn't and thats on arteta? why? even martinelli Jesus and saka have been missing so many chances. I dont think the team was that bad...
I completely agree…
Our league form has been impeccable and yet he changes it for the toughest team we’ve played in the league in 2024 (except Man City) and puts a losing formula of Havertz in midfield whilst not starting either Jorginho or Partey is absolutely criminal!
The balance of the team wasn’t good and we always look shaky starting with Zinchenko when we have Tomiyasu or Kiwior on the bench to start there…
Rice was isolated in the middle of midfield…
I couldn’t believe what unfolded in that game.
Something dips psychologically EVERY time in April when the pressure is on and it’s crunch…
We bottled top 4 a couple years ago, we bottled the league last year and out of nowhere crucnhtime we crumble and hand 2 goals to Bayern and bottle it after Liverpool lose against Aston Villa…
If we do not get a result against Bayern the season is finished because I highly doubt Man a City drop any points…
I believe we can turn up and beat Bayern and not fold again.
If we bottle it again we have to look at the manager.
@@m.d8434 Havertz came in got shoehorned in midfield into the side at every opportunity - he was abysmal. Started playing up top and could actually finally use his abilities up there and improved almost overnight. However we know from last season that Arteta will find some way to shoe horn his favourites in and Jesus is exactly that and just like last season when Trossard had hit the ground running Arteta threw Jesus back in ...and we fell apart (and NOT as legend has it because of the Saliba injury) Here we are again and he's thrown Jesus back in forcing Havertz into a role he's simply rubbish at and upsetting the midfield balance...Well done Arteta!
I agree with you Tom in regards to the leaving early. I see it as working for however long to be able to afford a ticket, travelling to the ground, buying lunch/dinner I couldn't leave early regardless of the result. I can almost understand leaving early on some of these horrible evening games but I still couldn't do it.
I haven't been able to get a ticket for a long time, I've wanted to see this team perform for ages yet because I haven't been I'm "plastic" I know it's all just words but I hate that term. I've supported this team for over 25 years
COYG
Great show Tom, loved the perspective. That's the key thing. A decade ago we wouldve won something last season or this season (may still do of course) but per the Stillmanators comments, it is like the Bundesliga now with City as this behemoth that was built on falsehood. I am proud of our team and what Arteta has done. If you are not, I would say get some perspective. Remember what it was like during COVID, how bad we were. We could not dream of this.
Superb show 🔆
Good show and a big day today Tom! We are still in both competitions!! COYG!
BINGO!!!!! 😂😂 These Arteta out people (not fans…just people) can’t #TrustTheProcess and I just can’t believe it. Arteta has brought us back to life and given us purpose once again…My manager 🤞🏽❤️
What annoys me is that we have just lost one game in four months and everybody is calling for Artetas head
Well I think you could accept that some of us could see this coming that when the pressure was here Arteta would start making strange decisions which people do under pressure ...and he has
But it’s still just one game, we are against probably the best ever team in the premier league I just can’t understand the negativity towards Arteta
Hey Tom! Love the show and appreciate all the hard work you put in each day.
Towards the end of your video you discuss the juggernaut that is Man City, and I see one big difference between them and the Arsenal side Arteta has built-depth.
Man City have not been great against big six sides this year and honestly if you put Arsenal at their best vs city at their best, I’m taking Arsenal all day. But they do not drop points to lesser sides because they have the ability to rotate in quality that keeps everyone fresh all year long, even with the astounding number of games they have to play.
We have dropped points to Fulham, Aston Villa, West Ham because I do not feel that the consistency of quality is there throughout the team, yet. I’m hoping that we continue to be proactive in the market and build a competitive squad that can effectively rotate, but to expect anyone to be able to do it as well as City can is insane, given the lack of restrictions they had in place and nearly limitless resources when their squad was built.
The ballot has damaged the quality of fans attending the game. I used to get up early every morning hours before the ticket sale time to ensure I got a ticket. I can guarantee thousands of die hard fans such as myself have only managed to attend around 1 game this season, like myself... there are plenty of new fans attending these games and whilst all are welcome to support this amazing club, that is indeed what they need to do is SUPPORT the club. COYG
There’s 40,000 plus season ticket holders?
@TheGoonerTalkTV i mean it's impossible to say if the majority of poor fans/early leavers were indeed season ticket holders, that fanbase remains largely unchanged ( evident of my position in the season ticket holder queue not moving for god knows how long) what we do know for sure is that the atmosphere has dramatically changed from previous seasons. I don't think it coincidental that the way in which tickets are acquired and the demise of our once resilient ( stadium going ) fans came about a similar time.
I think the online negativity plays a part, I was watching the game and I could feel the nerves from the crowd and I felt sorry for our players. Mad as I was I sympathised with them.
@@harryjackson4682 it is possible to say the large majority were mate. Thats just counting
Why would the ballot affect the type of fan who comes?
I don't really understand the logic, just think about it. Why would someone who is only able to get to one game a season leave early. Wouldn't they want to make the most of it and they'd stay, seen as though they probably won't be lucky enough to get a ticket for a while?
Bayer Leverkusen the Invincibles of Germany. How many will be with the team next season as other clubs will come to buy some of their best players no doubt.
Even before the first goal the hand writing was on the wall , there was no way we were getting back into that game
Gm Tom...some persons need to realize that having a winning mentality is sometimes just not enough, especially when you have a team like Man City around.
I think the people who leave games that early in such a key game should be de-prioritised from season ticket and membership lists. Others who have been struggling to get tickets should be given those seats. I obviously agree that paying customers should be able to leave when they want. They just shouldn't be given the privilege of those extremely prominent seats, if any. It's disgraceful.
28:20 - end. Raising the fogging estandards. Signed by Canton.
In relation to the reactionary behaviour of a large portion of our fan base following that disappointing setback, it merely showcases that there is a kind of hierarchy that exists to fandom and that ultimately one of the costs of being associated with success is that you will automatically attract some of the more plasticy, parasitic and cerebrally challenged glory hunter types into it with their phones held high and only singing when we're winning.
When Leeds were having their little renaissance period under Howard Wilkinson and David O'Leary, I'd never before seen so many new replica white shirts on grown men suddenly come out of the woodwork, as opposed to young kids where it would be more understandable and organic.
Same with when Blackburn were doing their Harry Enfield 'loadsamoney' impression and gatecrashing the party. My youngest sister attended Blackburn university and I guarantee you that you hardly ever saw Blackburn replica shirts in their own town centre in comparison to United and Liverpool ones, and then all' of a sudden that blue and white quartered top was like the latest must have fashion accessory.
Ditto Newcastle and Chelsea, but most damning was being on holiday the summer before COVID, meeting a fellow Brit ten years my junior and wearing a City shirt in the hotel bar, who when I was referencing how I used to enjoy the setting of going to Maine Road, his body language, facial expressions and uncomfortable shifting on his chair screamed that he didn't have a clue what I was on about never mind when referencing the likes of Tommy Caton, Joe Mercer, Malcolm Allison, Andy Cole and the links between us prior to Nasri, Adebayor and co.
A point on people being angry about the situation. I think it's a good way to go about it from a psychological perspective. I think it's better to be angry and have something to aim for, than to be resigned to not being good enough to win the league, with City in their current guise. Unfortunately I'm prone to the latter kind of thinking, but making myself think the first way makes it less depressing to process the situation.
(I don't agree with wanting to get rid of Arteta at this point, after all the time and money invested in him, but I find it easier to get annoyed with him than to be dismayed.)
Ironically the angry people are saying it’s over. And the optimists like me aren’t
@@TheGoonerTalkTV I guess there are three groups, then 😂.
I was talking about the other group, who I tend to fall into, who think it's over and fall into a downward spiral of thinking we'll never have a chance, thanks to City's existence 😢
Pessimists then aha
City still have to play Spurs away, Brighton away, Forrest away, and Fulham away. Any of those could be a draw, and if we win all our games then we most likely win on goal difference.
The fans that say Arsenal have bottled it, those fans are the ones that have bottled it, as we can still win the league, the team still believe that and so does MA.
Morning Tom. Schlagen Bayern Munich!!!
Wrighty was 1,000% correct with his comments regarding “supporters” leaving early. It beggars belief why anyone would leave after the first Villa goal.
Just a quick one on the suggestion of Spalletti, Tom. Spalletti stepped down after winning Serie A to become the Italy head coach, so "have you seen Napoli at the moment" is not relevant to him as a coach.
I think it’s a consequence of his time there mate. A hangover of sorts. Spaletti sides don’t tend to be sustainable
@@TheGoonerTalkTV I don't think it's fair to blame their failings post his tenure on him, especially as his last act was to win the league. Not that I'm advocating for him to take over, you understand. Just think it's a bit harsh.
@@rld1982 fair enough. I did it for others too so it’s consistent
That tactics don't respect Villa. Enough. Playing Havertz as midfield n Zinni together vs 4th place Villa is a big NO.
Dont mind those fair weather fans... Was Timber not supposed to be a new left back? is MA at fault for that injury too....
Was Zinny even poor against Villa, just usually comes off but maybe cos Ben white was taken off for Tomi he was left in
How many records have we broken this season? It must be loads,every other week we've broken another one lol
I'm absolutely not arteta out, but to witness again this sens of déjà vu, realy annoy me and I think it's the responsibility of arteta to avoid the same mistake.
The people that want Arteta out, should start supporting Chelsea. I think we should be very grateful that we have Arteta. If you think about it, Pepe and the clubs he has managed can always afford to buy a player. If they don’t work out, the next window he can get the next best player in that position. Arsenal have never had that luxury, so you could argue Arteta is a better manager than Pepe?
Need 25 more likes people!!!!
We were closer to winning this time last year. We was 1 point in the lead after 32 games. We are 2 points behind after 32 games. We also had 4 more points last season at this stage. So how are we closer this season than last?
Games in hand?
Moan all you want, Arteta's going nowhere. He has us competing again, twice in a row. Last time we were really competing was 2003/04.
Finishing second twice is for a club like Arsenal a success. Especially in the premier league.
@@moviegooner49 I'm not moaning. Just confused on the comment in the video saying we are closer this year than last when we are in a worse position.
@@shaunwilding6037 did you have a response to that GIH?
@@TheGoonerTalkTV I sent a link to the table with every team on 32 games. I'm not sure what you're referring to with games in hand?
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Has anyone considered that this is corruption in plain sight? For how we have been playing this season and how we played in the first half, for such a change of level, we showed in the second half it looked like they threw the game to me. Maybe man city owners paying players, management and club to make sure they make history with 4 titles in a row. Anyone considered that??? 0:15
People(the ones who demand a trophy this season) think we are Real Madrid. We won the premier league three times. Haven't competed since the invincible season. And you demand a trophy. The premier league is so gard to win. Just look at Liverpool 97 points in 2019....
Patience is required
Bottlers. People are not using the word in proper context. Their either doing it for effect to get a response. Or they have no idea what it really means - Suboptimal performance due to pressure! - That means the players and team have to be able to perform in the first place, before the pressure being suggested by a given situation is the thing that causes the suboptimal performance.
If the quality of the player isn't good enough or they are not available due to injury or are managing minutes, playing through injury etc. the quality and capacity of the team is going to go down. It's a team sport so it's not just one individual either it's the team as a whole that have to be affected to perform suboptimally due to that specific pressure situation. Martin Odergaard played the 1st half not like a person affected by pressure so before using the term bottlers bottling it etc. Understand all the factors at play and contextualise the situation before reaching for the lazy inappropriate word or phrase. Else your the one who looks like a kid on the playground
Chelsea bought Kepa for £75k. Aaron is better. Aaron will spark a bidding war, he might go for over £50k.
The game and the season is over another season no silverware
Couldn’t live in your world
Well bloody said Tom........
Those who are calling for Aretha's head are not Arsenal supporters , Aretha is a treat other premier Club. Aretha is not going anywhere. Thanks.
Sell zinchenko, the guy is a liability
Totally agree, was called ridiculous for calling out his poor performance
@@gdogg4002same names your likes called xhaka.
@@emekaodiogoodoh4958 no idea what you’re trying to say
@@gdogg4002 support your players and access them by the end of the year. Some fans called xhaka a liability, today he's a champion of Germany today. Our role is Fans.
I have been so depressed and useless over this loss to Villa that i have not eating in 2 days. I have to make up my mind about investing my emotions in football, and Arsenal as a football club. My blood pressure have been going haywire. This is not good and it could be dangerous to me health-wise. Why should I invest in a sport that makes me feel so terrible.? I have a decision to make
I don't blame fans for walking out they payed thier money to see Arsenal bottle April for the third time in a row. If Arsenal went out fighting we would back them but the manner in which they capitulate is unforgivable.
You’re entitled to that view. But I’d rather fans willing to support till the very end paid the money and got the tickets
@@TheGoonerTalkTV when is the very end? Was it last year or the year before legit question.
@@bernardbastien817 The end of the game. Then the end of the next game, and so on...
@@TheGoonerTalkTV the real reason why Arsenal fans walked out is because they've seen this episode many times and that's a complete compilation in April. Its the way they go out. If they can dust themselves off and bring it back I'll change my energy. But we have seen this before when it counts Arsenal crumble. Anyway let's see your energy after the buyern game.
@@bernardbastien817 that’s a real shame. Because they haven’t.
Sell zinchenko
Ban kal kass has no right being here,Wow 😮 lol
Advice to all "Arteta out" people of the moment (Raghemon specially): go and become a Manchester city fan! You'll get your precious "trophies"! We won't miss you.You can always change to an another team (Arsenal?😃) when City get relegated for breaking the FFP rules!🙂
Guardiola the best manager of all time?
Come on Tom, he's only managed the wealthiest teams already dominant in their leagues, and then there's those 115 charges.....
For now I think he is yes
@@TheGoonerTalkTV What are you 30 or so? I suppose that people like Shankley Paisley Clough Cruyff Michels Sacchi are just names, you don't have the perspective to judge the impact they had on the game.
@@SirAntoniousBlock I am, but it doesn’t mean I’ve not done my due diligence and watched a bucket load of content to better understand them
@@TheGoonerTalkTV I understand that and I not being disrespectful, but doing reseasch and actually seeing and feeling the impact these managers had on the game are different things, even when these managers (and I've mentioned (and there were many more) were still active in the game it was realised their contributions were immense.
The game now is so warped by money and hype that recognising true value is lost, I simple cannot give a manager credit for winning titles with Messi in the team or for being Bayern Munich or Man City in their leagues, much less calling them _the best of all time'_
I think that’s nuts but you’re entitled to that view
Get rid of that liability
Who?
@@TheGoonerTalkTV Zinchenko, who else??? 😂
The same Zinchenko who came on against Bayern at half time? Started the wins over City and Brighton which we kept clean sheets? The same Zinchenko that’s been key to huge performances this season?
Criticise the reality. But sweeping statements like that aren’t helpful or clever
@@TheGoonerTalkTV yes that zinchenko
Arsenal will get smashed at the Allianz and Arsenal will collapse at the end of this season in the Premier League! Take that Arsenal!