The Rise And Fall of ArcheAge | Asmongold Reacts
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I feel bad for whoever didn't experience archeage during those first 4 months or so, before those p2w items came and that whole new continent drop. Peak MMO experience.
Yeah I dropped out of the game shortly after the Auroria update. The P2W got egregious with that update.
@@roddbroward9876 Yeahh sadly the p2w wasn't the only issue. They changed one of the most in demand items, 'Thunder struck' logs into something pretty much anyone could get so it completely ruined the gold economy. The price difference between some things was insane after that. The botting problem was also getting out of hand because Auroria had all that new land to claim. And that whole concept kind of forced smaller guilds to merge into the bigger ones so they'd even have a shot of getting one of the castles. Real shame 😢 all of that with the, as you said egregious p2w was the final nail in the coffin, I remember the game dying so fast after that.
Just letting you know, archeage classic exists right now- it's 3.0 patch, and is strictly no P2W. Right now it's thriving. If you have some nostalgia I'd highly recommend joining us :)
Very true. Was one of my best MMO experiences..
jokes on you i experienced ff11 in its prime
Archeage open beta was one of my favorite mmo experiences. I was absolutely in love with the game. Once they released and opened the cashshop, it instantly died in my mind. It was the saddest thing.
I only played the beta, it was superfun except for labour restriction. Guess I didn't miss out on anything after that
You just liked the hype. It was always bad…
my best experience too.
Man, when Archeage just came out, I thought they had some very good ideas. But then, it turned around really fast.
Yep, the whole housing thing blew my mind, then every single piece of land got claimed by bots.
They did have some really good ideas, but without owning the IP. They were always slaves to the Korean Pay2Win Meta.
it was the pay to win that killed it INSTANTLY
A great game that was poorly managed. He suffered at the hands of Trion, then Gamigo and the last shovelful of dirt was from Kakao, I've played since launch and I can say that only those who have played for a long time know how incredible the game is.
Yup, the game essentially was amazing for 4 months or so. Then they started to all all the P2W, materials, gear and son on and forth to the store. The game was built around player economy and crafting. So adding all of that to the store essentially made everyone go "So what's the point of farming, gathering and crafting then?". They completely invalidated half of the appeal of the game "Progress and gear up any way you want" by making trading, gathering, farming, crafting and all of that basically useless.
ArcheAge combat to this day is still some of the most fluid and fun combat I've experienced in an MMO. It did a very good job between action and tab targeting. The naval combat for its time was pretty decent. Experiencing the server first kraken kill and the battle for the first guild castle land was one of the most memorable experiences I've had in any MMO. If they didn't make this game soooo pay-to-win, and their PvE end-game dungeons weren't so scuffed, this game could of been amazing.
I really hope Ashes of Creation builds on the great parts of ArcheAge, and innovates on better and new ideas.
Navel combat ❤
Tab target is ass lmao fuckin 5 class meta. Only thing good in this game is lifeskilling and naval combat
@@jhondisjames2151 They screwed up with classes, there is no way to balance their multi-class system. Cool idea, nightmare to balance. All games have a meta. Your opinion is your opinion, but the most praise I hear and read about ArcheAge is the combat is what made it stand out, and I'd agree.
@@mattk7251 Yup some of the best pvp combat in any mmo. Until they screwed it up.
You don't understand. Asmon thinks WoW looks good and this one doesnt. So the combat doesnt matter. The main reason I never got into WoW was precisely because that art style looks like sht.
Got into Archeage heavily at EU Launch. Swiped a LOT. Managed a 300+ guild. Became a Castle Lord at the Launch of Auroria. What they did to this game is an absolute CRIME. This MMO was legitimately the best MMORPG i have ever played. Doing trade runs with 100 people. Sailing the seas with someone on a spyglass attempting to spot enemy guild ships in case they try to rob us. Some of the best World PVP i've ever been involved with. Instead of nurturing and helping the game grow, they put P2W feature after P2W feature in. Didnt ban or remove gear from exploiters. Loot box mechanics, energy systems, almost every part of the game was monetized. But the game had so many incredible systems. Real world housing, justice system (going to court and getting a jury of players for attacking same faction or stealing), farming and illegal farms, world bosses... I could go on. Will never forget this game, and the effect it had on me at the time i played it, and the awesome people i played it with back in 2014. Xinneth - Orchidna EU
The no bans for hacking in gear and stealing land is what sealed it for me. Seeing so many top tier upgrade enhancements from the same person in 5 mins seems pretty obvious they should get banned. But no they were the head of the top guild on my server
That was soooo fun, I remember having 3 Guilds and small sub guilds fighting for the kraken and then go to trial and convince the jury that it was all self defence😂
So you swiped a lot and are annoyed they brought in more p2w? Perhaps you shouldn't have rewarded them
Ohh man those trade runs were epic! You would just talk smack with your friends during the slow parts and then all of the sudden, it was on.
i remember those days. loved the game. all went to shit tho. sad times.
Most people here focused on AA being really good PvP and PvPvE and all that.
My favourite thing was the focus on packs, cargo transportations and all the gameplay it came with it. From Safe, relaxing trade routes, to dangerous high tension trade routes in PvP enabled areas. Going with a Ship full of packs to the middle island was epic!
And then the hole owning a farm / property in the game. Not just for show, but as a way to produce resources for packs, or achemy or crafting. And owning vehicles to transport resources around.
Archeage had really good and well integrated economic systems.
I recall being a noob and saw a trade pack worth quite a bit of gold just sitting in the middle of the road and traded it in. And later found out that's just a strategy from other players who don't feel like doing the trade runs.
All it needed was to copy bdo's lifeskill system and it would've been perfect, but they focused the lifeskill aspect solely on supporting combat so anything you did besides grinding gear was a waste of time. Especially when you compare that to lifeskill mastery system and progression that comes with it in BDO
I only played Archeage PvE. Property and trading packs.
AA is till this day my fave MMORPG, i didn't care about the p2w stuff because i had so much fun with my guild,. I loved all the extra crafting/farming you could do. I remember getting ambushed in Hellswamp for a hauler full of cheese lol, and then also raiding a merchant ship. The guild wars was funny and fun to watch happen too
That middle island was Freedich, if my memory serves. Might have spelled it wrong.
ArcheAge is the best MMO ever created + the soundtrack is one of the greatest in the world.
This amazing game was destroyed by f***** greed only.
R.I.P ArcheAge but my amazing memories from this game will never die
I think my ADHD saved me, because I managed to get into, get fun out of, and then get bored of Archeage just in the timeframe before it started to go downhill. One of my best memories was that I wanted to be special by having one of the other faction's starting mounts, so as soon I was able to (level 5 or so) I bought a cheapass rowboat and paddled across the ocean, avoiding all aquatic mobs that would all one-shot me and then sneak around on the enemy continent, again avoiding all mobs, enemy players and automated guards until I managed to stealth across a continent to the enemy vendor who sold me the mount. 'twas a fun experience.
Also using the glider to find good out-of-map spots to build rogue tree farms (or raid those of other players) was hilarious.
Oh man, I did something like that too. I used a rowboat to reach the other continent so I could get all the mounts too. Sometimes I'd be chased down by other players trying to kill me and I'd struggle to lose them. I got really good at escaping; that one mount that could go invisible for a bit was super handy. So fun.
Damn that reminds me of when I wanted to have a Ravager pet as a Belf in WoW and had to go to the starting Draenei area at like level 10 or whatever...
so you're saying you have zero self control when it comes to your wallet and video games?
LMAO, that sounds awesome man
@@cavemanterowhere did he say he brought stuff?
You seem to have an issue with comprehending words as they are spelt out in front of you, go back to school
Oh, i remember this game. When i was little, i played this game and got on some high-level dudes ship. After sailing for a while, they dropped in on some island and then, after a few minutes, they left me there, on an island surrounded by an ocean with sharks. So, yeah, my experience was great.
haha that's based
Why did you not recall or port out ? :D
@@bomber9912 Skill issue and room temp 😆
xdd
Bro it came out not that long ago lol
I played this game back in Alpha state, it was the best MMORPG exprience I've ever had to this day after WoW
Alpha state AA was the pinnacle of open world sandbox mmorpg.
Was a magical experience. Felt like a true MMO. No cash shop implementation of any kind. And the 1.0 was before they fucked up the stats and made hybrid classes worthless.
Should be a new rule , whenever a pay2win game gets released , included in your bundle is one free swift kick in the nutsack by a developer of that game.
@@klord-is9ft I was playing on release day and it was p2w since the release, labor system sucked ass, cheaters duped so much gold that it was impossible to buy anything and the game was filled with bots.
Game platforms should finally accept that "pay2win" is an actual category at this point, and should start slapping that label on games that qualify.
The company running Archage, Gamigo, did the same thing to Defiance and Defiance 2050, which lead to their closings also.
I was just about to comment this. I miss old defiance before super pay to win
ArcheAge shut down under Kakao Games, not Gamigo. But you're right in that they made the game worse.
The guy who did the video used compressed 480p stream quality recording. The game doesn't look bad at all, mind you it was made in cryengine.
Yes, AA graphics are pretty ok even for today standards. Asmon doesn't know what he is talking about.
+ the footage itself is from like 2016-17 at most , before the graphics update which happened in ~2019-20
Archeage actually looked REALLY good for the time.
Is there anything besides WoW depicted in this video? It really, really looks like WoW to me.
yeah the game looked way better than any mmo at time from what I remember(although I only played WOW, FFXIV, Runescape, Lord of the Rings Online, Champions of Regnum of Neverwinter by the time I tried Archeage). I also loved the whole concept of the game, the combat and way the classes were handled.
Rip archeage, one of the few mmo's that meets my stringent requirements for boat ownership
Ooof this gives me flashbacks to when they shut down Tera.
I'll never forget the memories and friends I made in that mmo. Good times.
I remember that they had a security breach and someone gained access to my account. I made a ticket about it saying that all of my stuff is gone, they banned my account. Weeks later they replied saying that I should make a new ticket from my original account which was impossible since the account was banned everywhere. Haven't heard from them afterwards. Years later I received a message saying that I got unbanned. Wow thanks, great support. Lost my house due to this bs ban so I never came back.
For anyone looking to play the old version of Archeage (without the catch-up mechanics) there is a private server called Archeage Classic
I loved Archeage. Factions, Life skills, good PVE for the most part. You can be just a merchant(run packs) and just be as fairly progressed as someone who PvPs. Its a good mix of PvPvE and a lot of stuff to do when you want to take a break from PvP/PvE. I mained on fishing and only engaged in PvP for dailies/weeklies and still had fun.
As much as I love BG3 and want more, I agree it's probably for the best for Larian to move onto other things. Alex Hirsch, the creator of Gravity Falls, fought against Disney about continuing the series because he felt the series was done and, let's be honest, if they continued it they would inevitably ruin it. Almost every show, and sometimes even game series, that go for too long runs out of steam eventually, either becoming complete trash or just not as good as it used to be. Some series can avoid this but that's usually ones where you're not following the same character throughout or, if it is the same character, it's a different iteration of them like LoZ or Mario games. RE made a comeback but I'm not too sure how the 9th or 13th game is gonna pan out. As much as I want to play more BG3, I respect Larian's choice to wash their hands of it, it shows they mean it when they say they make games because they want to and they have a story to tell, not just because a company told them to for money.
"Why wouldn't you just play wow, runescape, etc?"
Because ArcheAge is one of very few PvP or PvPvE based MMORPGs, and also had the best tab target combat, and pretty much, TO THIS DAY, the only optimized MMO that can handle 200 vs 200 +++ battles and run at 60 frames without a sweat.
Guildwars 2 has 3-way server vs server battles
Good thing Ashes of Creation will take all of that into their game eh?
"archage" and "optimization" shouldn't be in the same book, let alone a sentence
Try BDO it has very good pvp (it is primarily a pvp game), and it's combat system is much better than any MMO currently on the market.
ArcheAge was kinda like a new Lineage 2 in that way. It's a dying breed.
I was playing the game on launch when it came out and later managed to be a leader of one of the biggest guilds on my server. It was an amazing experience building first big ship on the server and the long boat to carry the massive trading journeys. It was really fun to grow all the nice crops and trade them, the game economy was based on the labor that you spent growing stuff and also one of the most important things was a "lightning struck log" which was needed to create a cart, but to get the log it was just a random, very low chance of getting one from having the tree struck by the lightning. So If you just planted the trees on your farm it was not effective due to small space and limited amount of trees. But.. you could plant things outside of your private plot, but then i was not protected and everyone could destroy it or steal it... SO we were finding secret spots on the map that were almost out of bound, and were extremely hard to get to, and we were planting hundreds and hundreds of trees there. Trees grew like 2 or 3 real time days, and as they matured they had a chance to be struck by the lightning. So we had to guard the trees against enemies, constantly scouting the location, fighting other people in PVP to protect our forest. It was amazing fun. BUT then the developers put a labor potion into the shop, so you could do more work, and THEY HAVE PUT A TREE THAT WOULD GROW IN 2 REAL TIME HOURS AND HAVE LIKE 20% OR MORE TO BE STRUCK BY THE LIGHTNING. That crashed the whole economy and the system, and everyone (200 people or so from my guild) stopped playing after that went live. P2W destroyed the game with potential and killed all the fun we had.
Everyone says Pay2Win killed this game and I'm always like, uh, no, their dogsh*t servers ruining every launch they ever had and people bailing killed it. I forgot about that tree, though, lol. That was definitely a BS cash shop item lol. I had like 20 plots dedicated to tree farming and was like "wtf?" when they added it lol.
It's been like 18 years give or take since the text based rpg Elvenworlds shut down and I'm still sad about it. There's almost no images even left of it, and my search for it led me to a book series or something that I'm almost sure is unrelated to it. Sometimes good things just disappear.
That initial relaunch of ArcheAge Unchained was some of the most quality MMO experience one could have.
The pros and cons are the exact same thing.
Racing to "max" level to maintain a decent gear score, so you could compete in all of the fun and important world PvP events, was absolutely unmatched.
But the game functions like a second job. You can play it peacefully and not get caught up in all of that, but you essentially gut your ability to take part in anything remotely competitive.
And competitive isn't a choice, it is the bread and butter of most of the game's content.
I was pretty satisfied grabbing a piece of land, paying my house tax, doing stealthy care package sales across borders and focusing on hit & run sabotage gameplay in the end.
But man, this game is something special while also being absolutely brutal.
Those with no time or responsibilities (or streamers) have it the best.
You had to be there during the first 3 months.
The only thing I could be sure about is that, AA is the best MMORPG game for over the past 30years, and I don't think there will be any games can surpass AA in future 10years.
The gliding system, massive PVP and PVE , robbing, jail and judge system, pirate third party, those boats, ship and sea PVP, the flexibility to plant, climb up a mountain, housing, flaring.
Those are crazy features that would always retain in my memories. Thank you AA, the peak of MMO
If it's the game i'm recalling with trade routes... the main issue for me was infinite teleporting bots that devalued the entire trade pack mechanic.
Met my wife on this game, was lord of a castle in aurora, run all the bosses and server events and loved it from release day and around 4 years after release. Game got boring with few updates and the ones that did come out didn't give anything for most players. Saw all my friends and guildies leaving due to boredom or broken gear due to bad upgrade system and I quit. Arcane Mayhem was known to anyone that played back then and I wish it could have kept going. The game may die but the memories live on
They're shutting down because they're making Arche Age 2, it was rumored to be all about block chain and NFT's. Sounds like a failure even before launch.
I am being informed that it was ArcheWorld that had NFT's and Blockchain.
What I wrote is based on speculations from the likes of MMOByte and other YT content creators.
The NFT game was going to be Arche World, but they canceled it when gamers were doing the NFT hate wave during covid
nah thats ArcheWorld about nft and blockchain
Don't spread misinformation. Archeworld is the NFT archeage and its already released and flopped. None of the information released publically about Archeage 2 would imply NFT has anything to do with it.
ArcheWorld was actually hugely successful on its launch. XL Games made millions selling land NFTs which sold out in about 10 minutes for each server.
It was run into the ground though as of recently with bad/very few updates and majority of the playerbase leaving.
@@gezenews HAHAHA
I never got into archeage. i thought it was neat you can buy your own sailing ship but just couldnt do the grind at all. I expect older MMOs like D&D online to eventually fall, because of the outdated pricing model and age.
My friends rushed to get a boat, and just fucked around playing music and sailing. Then we realized people had monopolized certain resources and dropped the game immediately. But before the issues started showing up those were really fun times
Archeage has the snappiest, best pvp combat still even today I feel, and there are tons more to do in the game compared to games like WoW or GW2 or FF14. That's why I would still play it today. Sending out 8 large ships to take out the central island... was a good memory.
Man just hunting fischers was fun as hell, pull out your clipper or gally with 2 friends and go pk or opposite faction
@@lilawaffel186 It was fun until they made ships pay to win too. I remember doing dumb shit like harpooning my ship into towns just because. then they added the ships parts mechanic that just made it if you had more money your ship was faster stronger and just better.
@@jakei1236911 man, i made tree house with a clipper on a tree. also flying around on airship by pooning clipper to it
Guy starts his video with false statement already "Why archage failed".
I mean i don't know how about him but game that took some chunk of MMO players and was around for 11 years hardly can be called as "failure".
It was good while it lasted.
People don't talk about HOW WITCHER 2 FAILED because almost no people play it this days.
Archage was a good game. What do people need more?
To be around for 20 years like WoW doing and people are expecting nothing but non stop shitty expansions for it?
@@Nagaimba I think you just disagree with the video's working definition of the term (reasonable), but I suggest that the closure of the game for NA/EU can be fairly described as the game "failing" ... sort of like "my strength has failed" when getting old does not imply that there was never any strength in the one speaking.
To be fair, the game was awesome, but the systems were bound to create hate. The regrading (upgrading gear), gemming, tempering (increasing base stats), and many other systems were insane gacha mechanics with insane low chances of succeeding and a very high chance at breaking.
I had fun times in Archeage but it never felt a game that you would get too stuck in as the progression system wasn't for me. Funniest was sneaking in to other factions place and get your supplies and run out :D
Used to run a top guild on my server. 2 things killed Archeage. Rumbling boxes and the hauler wagons. They made a 100% safe land hauler that made about 60% of the money of a trade boat but it required very rare materials that were very RNG in getting to craft. Then they released a cash shop box that gave you the rare item needed. So people bought the boxes, made the haulers, and everyone shifted to just doing land hauling with trade packs to make money. This killed all PvP and ocean sailing because people would rather do 100% safe routes with no risk in losing anything vs attempt to PvP or join a guild to do trade runs on the ocean so a lot of people/guilds quit because their was no content anymore as PvP was a large portion of the content. We used to sail around for hours and maybe find 2 people after the boxes came out. Before that we would play 14 hrs a day and fight almost the whole time.
I think p2w is an easy answer for people to give. But as someone who actually played the game, and also started over in some of the fresh start servers, the game has structural problems. You can play 4-6 hours a day and still get so far behind that it will take you a long time to catch up in terms of power, since there is a massive difference even between 8k gearscore and 10k, where you can get one-tapped constantly. This of-course also is terrible for new players that would have to suffer for months before they can catch up to do anything in pvp.
Missing dailies/weeklies would set you back as well, especially with the new hiram quests since you need the mats to progress and missing a quest will mean you are not catching up until late endgame
The game itself is amazing, pvp is very fun if you can keep up with the top players (non other game has come close imo). p2w is not the only reason it failed (p2w seems mostly an issue when it first came out of alpha/beta).
My biggest issue would be the progression/labor system, while labor system could have worked its horrible that you need ton of alt character just to keep up with people who can spend 12+ hours a day in the game, farming on alts, running packs etc. and using labor on gear on the main
asmon has a lot of wild takes but saying archeage looks worse than wow is up there.
WoW always looked bad to me. 😂
I've had a steam account since 2010. Never once can i recall any popup. To purchace any game.
I think the commenter was talking about the steam news screen that is opened when you open Steam. The one that says whats coming out soon, etc., but thats completely different then what Asmon was talking about. The worst for me is when I play fall guys on ps4 and the left click analog button opens the in game side menu and you cant control your character until you close it which takes a second or two. Not good for my fat fingers lol
Never had the chance to play it. Was too busy with GW.
The rise and fall of hair
The rise of jealousy
His hair only fell tbf 😭🙏
@@wizzvapes1965 bro is just joking
Gottem
I remember when I was 12 and made comments like this.
The joke was on me for this game. I bought the 150$ founders pack back in the day :(. streamer guilds were hell back then. you could barely do anything without getting ganked.
I was desperately trying to win one on Twitch by following random people.
Bless however was this for me.
So I did only trade runs and write music for the piano and sell it in the market :D.
Basically copy pasting different midi songs into the game.
me and m y friends also bought the pre-release thing for 100 dollars. Jesus what a waste of money
I bought the $150 founders edition and didn't receive one of the many items that I was supposed to get in the mail. Archage's customer support wouldn't help, so I contacted Steam, and I got a full refund & they never banned my archeage account.
@@DWlsh43 You wasted it then. There are many people here saying the alpha was one of the best MMO experience they had and it was the same for me. If you played the alpha you experienced 1.0 AA which is not what the game released with, it was far better in alpha before a lot of the 2.0 changes came in. It also had no cash shop at all until right at the end when they pushed out the 2.0 changes. Was one of the purest MMO experiences you could hope to get and you're the first person I've seen who had access and doesn't have some great memories from it.
No one plays the actual release game and hasn't in years. Everyone plays ArcheRage.
The time I spent playing the Archeage alpha back when it was still using the 1.0 version of the game was easily one of my most memorable gaming experiences. This was when the cash shop wasn't even in the game yet and it was a great experience. There are so many underdog MMOs which got fucked up by bad decisions or just never really made it big. Archeage and Star Wars Galaxies are two MMOs which were so ahead of their time they did things we'ves still not seen in any MMO since.
Man I miss a game like archeage. The pvp beef not only against the enemy faction but also YOUR OWN faction was hilarious. People getting mad and probably you getting butthurt aswell from getting your cargo getting stolen by some tryhard camping at 3 am was so exciting. This is the only game were they made fishing of all things a dangerous job because you had to fish with fishing gear and you were totally open to get stabbed in the back by anyone.
The most "tame" p2w aspect in Archeage basically was. Get 2 chars to get double of stamina to do stuff, because anything that was money related in this game, required that. Your main char would do the content + jobs to gain gold to be able to upgrade gear to not get completely destroyed in 0.1 seconds and instead you would get your ass clapped in 0.5. Your 2nd character would just craft cargo to sell to npcs and funnel all the gold into your main. So basically if you had just 1 account you had a disadvantage, because the most tryhard people I knew at the time could have 3-4 characters to be able to make so much more gold than the normal player and get ahead on gear.
Also the real reason why unchained died after 6 months is because the game was a 28h daily job, with no real content to do. You had a lot of timed/faction events you had to do daily to be competitive, and since pvp is a really important part of the game, you were forced to do it to not fall behind.
I found it fun at first, but even I got burned out after a while.
Yeah, Archeage just feels like a full time job, with the addendum that you'll also often be waking up in the late hours of the night to do timed shit. You either put that much in or you'll never be remotely competitive. Not to mention all of the Korean RNG crap and the frustration that comes with that. I'm long past the age I'm willing to put that much time into a single game.
My brother to this day says archeage ruined a year of his life. Bro missed an entire vacation because he was playing. What a fun time back in the day
This is one of my most played mmos, simply because i really really liked the mount system (taming random ass mobs and getting to keep them)
then i took around a 1 year break, as you do sometimes and when i got back, my 150 hour account is gone. seems they moved and i missed it by month...
was the best mmorpg i ever play.... RIP but nooo he do p2w box and more....
Yup, nothing has come close to vanilla archeage
I played this game from beta until the thunderstruck trees, and it was the best experience I have ever had in a videogame, and probably the best experience I will ever have in a videogame. There has never been a better example of an amazing concept ruined by greedy cash shop features. Before the cash shop got out of hand, there was no better MMO than Archeage.
All the Trion games fell off or died years ago, when Gamigo bought them out, most of their games were either put in maintenance mode or shut down. Archeage and Trove I think were the only ones getting some updates. I was a huge fan of Rift and I'm honestly surprised they haven't shut down those servers, they havent had a major update in many years and the last expansion was released in 2017
21:52 myeah, the fable series and the dragon age series are both examples with amazing first games and then it being milked to death over the course of the next 2 games
archeage > wow
waiting for Archeage 2
Archeage 2 barely has anything to do with the first game other than the name
YEP Copium overdose right here, doctor
I'm early af
you sure are
Same
Something that gets missed a lot in topics like this are the actual expenses that companies are incurring. $50 million is a lot of money, but spending $60 to make that game turns it into a flop. This is even worse for a subscription-based game where maintenance costs are an ongoing drain if you can't break even. It really ties into what Asmon talked about previously that game companies will have to focus on making smaller games with less time investment as opposed to spending X amount of time just to make a terrible game.
And companies should be more invested in player satisfaction and retention. Too many games suffer from too much focus on making up expenses.
I don’t understand why ArcheAge is being dissed as having crappy graphics. Archeage is beautiful. It’s one of the most beautiful open world mmos I have ever played. The graphics are amazing.
What has crappy graphics is Ark Survival, which tons of people are playing. Atlas and every other survival game has the same exact degraded graphics as well. World of Warcraft doesn’t have great graphics either. It’s very cartoony, like Wizard 101. Other games are not on par with Archeage and it was made in Cryengine.
here we go again, reacting to a game he did not even play and having a strong opinion about it.
2:30 although they give you option to pay for more energy (HSR) most gacha don’t really count on you paying to play.. they count more on you having to log in daily to farm or weekly for ghe bosses.
They want you to give you a reason to play continuously
wait since when did you stop with the outro?
1$ = 1 hours is crazy for anything but RPGs or some open world games. I definitely don't want a 60-70 hours Uncharted game
This really breaks my heart man... I was a casual player since 2015 and spent most of my time on Aranzeb NA server. You could choose lots of different mechanics and play styles and go for farming and housing, crafting, or pvp. While it was heavily p2w you could get by entirely free to play and lots of work was put into this game and it's content over the years. I was there through all the drama, mergers. Trion, Gamigo and the final years of Kakao. There was clearly lots of mismanagement and stuff behind the scenes that most will never know and what happened was a shame. I hope everyone lands on their feet somewhere. I myself will be in the Arche Rage private server.
Sub model games to me have usually been the best pure games to play. I played Everquest 1999 to 2003 (Sony/EOE) for years, what a fantastic experience and one of the first large MMOs, I loved being able to log in with my character and continuing my game play with my guilds. Same with WoW for awhile, (I didn't get into WOW big time) and Dark Age of Camelot with 5 man group roaming 3 different realms. All were sub models and we played for at least 2 years at 10-15bucks a month sub model. But that's it..they were forced to give us FINISHED games that were fun to play that kept us playing. I am getting older now so I'm probably aging out of serious gaming but I still look for something to get into..DAOC was the last real mmo I played. I don't know why studios stopped making large mmo sub models in the rpg type games. But the shooters took off for a long time and that was never my thing.
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Epic Games has notifications in the task bar that you can turn off in the settings
Steam has popups when you launch the Store
To shut off the Steam popup, go to Settings, Interface, uncheck "Notify me about additions or changes to my games, new releases, and upcoming releases."
While you're at it, set "Start Up Location" to Library and never get dumped on the store page again.
I'm pretty sure these settings are account wide, at least for new logins.
You can still play old version of Archeage but it is in private server called Archeage Classic.
Final Fantasy 11 and 14 used to be so much worse just to log back in. I own like three copies of FF14 but never remember which one is actually linked to my steam account - so I end up having to sort through which Product Key'd account will actually play. Then with FF11, we used to have to go through the launcher they had and oh god - what an experience. Sometimes I like to torture myself by trying to get ff11 to work, play till level 10 then delete. Maybe im a masochist, I duno
Gamigo has literally always been any mmo’s death sentence the moment they take over the game dies within a month or two
I'd argue the hacking and mis-management problem was worse than the monetisation for AA. The expansion launch was especially funny in a very sad and bad way for the players.
This just feels like a way to talk about greedy video game companies, which Trion was, but the specific case of Arch Age is so much more than just predatory monetisation.
I still remember archeage having two subscriptions and full shop of p2w items in a month after launch. Subsriptions were cheap, but they were adding more more and more.
i remember the beta for this game, i dont know how i got my hands onto this. It started increadibly good but i dont remember too much about it. i remember i had to stop playing it because of some issues with my computer but i dont remember to much about the game itself
Archeage had so many more cool things about it than just its looks. Diversity of classes, criminal system, player trials, sailing, naval combat, farming, etc etc. is what made it great, it gave you more things than just queing up for dungeons or pvp like wow.
its ok imo to have things limited pair week, like a raid in wow (if it didn't change since years), but, it becomes problematic for players as soon as you add a store item that alow you to bypass that
Archeage burned me twice. I wont make that mistake again with Archeage 2
Dude the castle sieges in Auroria were so much fun. I feel so bad for people who don't know what Archeage was and truly how creative it was when it came out.
The thing is, even if game is F2P, they still try to sell subscription in some VIP option ingame that give you extra - most of the time - qol features. So for them its double win, triple if like D4 they have BOX price, IS and BP
One of many MMOs that launched with a bait and switch model. Amazing and promising open beta followed by actual launch with cash shops and pay walls.
I really liked the class system. I remember playing this on day 1 and watching a boat attaching itself to the blimp with the harpoon being dragged around the continent really made my day.
The out of the box microtransactions is the reason I didn't buy Dragon's Dogma, but bought No Rest for the Wicked.
I paid 100 bucks a year for runescape 3 and made almost 100 to 200 relationships and easily 50 to 75 of those are friendships I still have today. I played for 5 years straight and went from a noob to a chad and met every1 in between. 500 bucks for 5 years, also 2 yrs of reoccurring membership in classic wow and wrath wow and sod and made tons of friends there too. I bought breath of the wild for 60 bucks. Played it nonstop for 5 days and then never touched it again for 60 bucks, had a blast and met nobody. U can't convince me that people aren't down to pay monthly if the game is great and updated constantly.
Awee I played Archeage Unchained for a hot minute and I enjoyed it sooo much. Having your own land that you could decorate that wasnt instanced was so fun and my guy at the time loved the ships and heavy water battle content. It was such a blast. Sad to see it go, hope someone makes something like it but does it better this time
16:52 yeah I agree. That takes one of the biggest parts to that issue
the only old school mmo i still play to this day is star wars the old republic still love it every time i play
Played it the first few months of release, or beta release. Was having so much fun. Then the expansion came and i never looked back.
I will never forget that awesome cinematic
Archeage was actually a phenomenal game. I absolutely LOVED playing it and have a ton of good memories that I still talk about to this day. What killed it was pure greed. I remember when the devs added the rumbling archeum sapling to the cash shop and half the playerbase quit overnight. This should be a case study as to why good games fail.
This game without labor and p2w is an insane game. Add some rules here and there to make it so that afking for a certain amount of time will liberate your housing area (you don't lose your stuff just put it in inventory). keep the luck based system for weapons but only for legendary and mythic.
I totally agree with the launchers. I don't use the Blizzard launcher because it kept putting up adverts for games I didn't care about.
I had so much fun with this game when it first came out. Loved exploring the map and being able to go anywhere and find thunderstruck trees in hidden areas that people tried to plant stuff in. Loved the fishing and naval part. I used to explore the bottom of the ocean and collect all the fish that fell down there when people were killed and then turn it in for cash. Our guild use to always have clan battles against Stephens clan (the dude making Ashes of Creation).
Hell, even Guild Wars 1 has servers still up, and it came out the year after WoW. 10k players still.
The Ashes of Creation founder packs mention 6 months of playtime included, so I think that they indeed are going subscription
my biggest complaint about dd2 is that it was to easy im doing a 2nd play through intentionally making it harder for my self and its a lot more fun
Steam does have popups, or they used to and I haven't checked, but YOU CAN DISABLE THEM PERMANENTLY. It's up to you to get sale pop-ups or not. The other stores are so garbage I no longer use them at all. None of them. It's on steam or no purchase.
I remember when this game came out. Me and my friends created a guild called the Nuian Seals. We would board players boats who were fishing and kill them and take their fish. We glitched out the tank from the pvp game mode and created a toll both by a major road that was unavoidable for tractor traders. It was a golden age of gaming. RIP
I remember playing Archeage when it first came out, and I said after a week that the game was amazing but doomed to slowly dwindled and die because the devs had zero interest in ever actually fixing issues. The entire player economy was based on trade packages that required player housing to grow crops for, and solo or small group players were just fodder for pirates. Then you have the upgrade system, that was so pay to win its insane. Upgrading an items quality had a chance to fail, and at higher levels a chance to downgrade or even destroy the item, at high ranks it was a HIGH chance. Unless you spend money and buy currency that protects your items as you reroll the grading on it, that it. So if you had more money than sense you could just buy a best in slot quality item by regrading it over and over and just paying to protect the item to prevent downgrades or destroys. It was so bad that there was a player with a max grade weapon before most people hit level cap when the game released.
I played Archeage during the open beta. I loved it to bits, I had whatever that premium account was called, I loved sailing and naval combat. The whole trading system which caused so many interesting gameplay opportunities. But a few big mistakes killed it for me. Merging all of the auction houses into one across all the servers, the hacking problem. Honestly it was far enough back that I don't even remember the exact reason I stopped, but it was pretty much right after the full launch in NA. Honestly I think it could've really competed with WoW it was so good.
I was in Steven's guild during one of my stints playing Archeage. Such a fun game and good times with his guild. This was before Ashes was really public or at least well known and I remember he would sometimes drop concept art and stuff in discord and ask us for our opinions on it.
Due to the nature of how P2W Archeage was, even before I knew he was developing his own MMO, I could tell he had deep pockets haha. He was one of, if not the most geared person on the server.
But yeah, great game. Sad to see it fail so horribly. It had so much potential back in the day.
I loved archeage, Used to be in the guild Steven from Ashes of creation lead, The White Order. It was a blast the game was so good for PVP and the world bossing was next level trying to down the boss while trying to fight off other players was elite.
The discussion on live service games also has a few underlying issues. First is its tough to play more than one MMO or live service game at a time. You're really only gonna focus on one. So you are fighting for the same players time and money unlike other games where you play until its done. Second issue is the growing concern of games just shutting down, like Archeage.
That little pop up for a couple of sales when you first open steam, you can turn that off lol
You get that on a Monday and Thursday, I always be eager to see what's on sale TBH. My steam account is from 2006
I remember getting the orange donkey called Carrot to carry my trade packs and meeting up with a guild that transported me to the other side of the world to maximise my reward. We got attacked on the way by several ships trying to steal our trade packs, but we managed to fight them off. It was such a fun game. I spent a lot of time building and decorating my house. I took my massive ship out to fish in the ocean, and it was incredibly chill. Such a cool game. Shame they fcked it up.
The Steam Fee is not bad. If you sell a product outside of steam, and provide them a key in that way. You don't pay the thirty percent, it's only through direct steam sales. The only stipulation is that you can't make it cost less outside their platform.
So if you sell a game for 40 bucks on Steam, it'll also have to be 40 bucks on your own storefront.
But yea, you can completely bypass Steam's 30 percent cut.
Gotta love minimum viable products. I really love that this guy brought up the fact that games that have a box price and no other monetization will lose money from you connecting to their servers, because I thought this with Diablo 4 a year ago.
You want to minmax and drive out players that won't buy your microtransactions who are playing the game because they add to the server costs, while keeping the ones that are paying and playing.
Just to be logical: paying 20$ for a game should make you receive a product worth 20$. Spending 70$ for d4 makes you spend even more money -> does that mean d4’s worth is in the negative?
i loved archeage on launch , had the most fun experiences, honestly was amazing
I don't minds pop-up ads , it's good for knowing what to look up on pirates bay.
6:20 You can also turn off all pop-ups in Steam. You can't in a lot of these other launchers