What If The US Won The War Of 1812? | Alternate History
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- What if the US had decisively succeeded in it's invasion of British Canada during the War of 1812, and annexed the territory into the United States? How would Canada joining the US affect American politics, and might this encourage the annexing of other territories like Greenland?
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Cool video mate, best wishes froma cross the Atlantic. Very big fan from the UK mate.
What are you talking about the US did win the war of 1812
wouldn't it make more sense that slavery would expand into most of Louisiana because of the northern territories and Mexico keep the Yucatan, most of Cali? especially after already reaching the west after the war of 1812. also Rio grande was dissolved years before with its leaders being killed or turn coating. also in regards to territorial disputes with Mexico or even how much land they would take what would be the input from an even more liberal north seeing as Canada was already on the verge abolishing slavery and would there even be a reason for a war seeing as this would be an overstretch in manpower and resources and would Brittain intervene if it saw that the U.S. was becoming too powerful, I say this because the only reason the U.S. annexed Texas was because Brittain offered to take Texas off of Mexico's hands and keep slavery from spreading. also, I know this is off topic but don't you think that instead of a Mexican revolution there'd be a nationalist movement sometime in the late 1800s early 1900s (1867or earlier -1917) rise up against the monarchy to take back its northern territories to include the parts of the U.S. where Hispanics are a plurality or have much influence because Porfirio Diaz didn't come to power or hell the monarchy maybe even encouraging this (Maximilian was very liberal for the time and nationalism was seen as unity and an end to monarchy and foreign domination something the old order did not sit with well) with French backing as a way to gain better control over a common people and culture similar to what Bismark did for Germany also possible military endorsement from Spain as they were under Bourbons, had shared culture, allies to France and knows U.S. is eyeing Cuba, if not help from Germany and Austria is Probable because blood ties and imperialism but most likely France and Spain (France would want to lose its power over Mexico). Although personally given the situation you set up I doubt the War of the Reform would even happen (France would not invade) and an even more Nationalistic Mexico would come out of 1848 one willing to side with the northern states in exchange for the land back.
Can you do “If austria united Germany?”
Do you have fan mail please?
If Nova Scotia was united with New England, would the region change its name to New Britain?
Probably New Scotland, seeming that Nova Scotia is Latin for New Scotland.
Hmm, then who plays the role of Wales? Vermont? I guess that could be given to New Brunswick, so they have something to do. The 24% of Newfoundland that's Irish would be Northern Ireland, and P.E.I. is best suited to play Isle of Man. Jersey, however, does not get to be Jersey.
maninredhelm if you add st pierre&miquelon there you have jersey and guernsey.
mojo jojo then they would annex new south wales to make it complete
@@maninredhelm New South Wales. If Nova Scotia (New Scotland), New England, and New South Wales United, then you'd get New Great Britain
American History Class: America wins
Canadian history class: Canada wins but America says they win for some reason.
UK history class: I was at war with Napoleon
American history doesn’t teach that
Which one? The rest after “America wins”?
It was a stalemate you held us off and you burned our capital but we repelled the attackers and rebuilt no winners and no losers (except the natives)
@@collincaperton6718 your goal was to beat us. You failed to do that, our goal was to defend ourselves we did that. Therefore we win.
@@Blanklet and we expelled a counter attack no land was lost no land was won. We stopped the british from capturing our sailors and the British stopped us from invading Canada. It was a draw
Insert argument over who "won" 1812
Let them fight.
Well the clear losers of the war were the Natives
Wisconsin 1848 Yeah
It was a stalemate
@@MonsieurDean it was definitely Canada we burnt the white house
That would be a really thicc US if we got Canada
Yeah well you didn’t cause the UK are boss and burnt your stupid fucking White House then did a shit on its front door
Mr Watson lol you are very mad
@The Nova renaissance it isn't shit don't worry about that and why tf do you have a union jack as a profile then?
@Mr Watson
Wow you got really triggered by that.
@The Nova renaissance okay respect
That flag in the thumbnail looks very Christmasy
Tis almost the season.
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What if the French Revolution was successful in establishing a stable functioning monarch-less republic in Europe?
Simple, they would have viewed their government as tyrannical once they did something the people disagreed with
@Rory Mulligan No. He just wanted to be a monarch.
well it kinda did eventually
There were republics created after the revolution, but they were short lived, alas.
What if Canada joined the US under the Articles of Confederation?
I mean, sure, but the most loyal colony to Britain was "Quebec" (not Quebec yet).
Britain was tolerant of Catholicism, and America was heavy Pro-Protestantism and Anti-Catholic. Quebec didn't like the US at all.
If they became the 51st to 56th states, your electoral college would be affected and the Democratic party would not be at such a disadvantage.
The reason Puerto Rico is not a state is to prevent this so Canada might not get in.
Scott Watson like Canada would sacrifice their sovereignty to join a very divisive nation as of now.
@@thedarkassassin0116 Their ancestors spent blood and money to not be part of the USA.
What I'm saying is, even if they wanted to, your further right parties would not be keen.
David Vazquez over partisan lines on any issue. Basically any viable reason for a civil war to commence.
Edit: Sectionalism, culture, race, and separatists can also cause divisions.
What if Cuba split into two countries like Korea, China, Vietnam and Germany?
@Christopher Christopher ?
@@jamesthomas5109 Miami has a large Cuban population because many of the people who fled communist Cuba ended up there.
Edit: Also Castro exiled I think it was tens of thousands of felons to Florida as well.
@@Salty-Doggy Ok.
@Christopher Christopher ...
@Christopher Christopher Or what if a slave rebellion occurred in the east of Cuba and the country was declared a republic? Republica de esta Cuba?
“James Monroe … claimed (political parties) were by their very nature incompatible with free government … (politicians) acting on behalf of national interest instead of sectional politics or personal ambition”
This man predicted American politics of the 20th-21st century
The only reason he wasn’t unanimously elected was to reserve that honor for Washington. Weird how anti party the two most popular presidents were.
Yet every democracy has them…
@@masonrussell579 *gets them eventually
Like an illness.
What if in the 21st century, Canadian provinces started to recede from Quebec and to join the US?
A very merry Christmas for us all.
There were proposals to form a Republic of Western Canada out of British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and the Northern Territories if the 1994 Quebecois independence referendum succeeded. It'd be interesting if such a state ended up joining the US rather than being independent. This would leave British Columbia, Yukon, Alberta, the Northwestern Territories, Saskatchewan, Nunavut and Manitoba in the hands of he US and Quebec independent. This would leave Canada as just Ontario and the Atlantic provinces of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island and Newfoundland and Labrador. The Atlantic provinces night not even stay around.
As a Albertan myself I would love to see this happen
@@zacharysazama798 cool alternate history idea proposal. Hope this one becomes a video.
@@williamjol5205 The United States of America and Western Canada. The Liberal West Coast would extend to the Alaskan panhandle through British Columbia, and we'd no longer need to use boats for Alaskan trade
Do you mean " What if the US did TRUE Manifest Destiny?" /s
Iceland wasn't taken.
True manifest destiny is from the tip of of falkan islands to the tip of Alaska, from the mountains of Iceland to the forests of Brazil, from the fields of Cuba to the shores of greenland. The empire of the new world is true manifest destiny.
@@Maulstrum97 The Goal is actually Solar Manifest Destiny ;]
"Until every star in the sky is sewn into the American flag, Manifest Destiny is not yet complete." -some guy in trade chat in WoW classic
@@LedosKell Glorious.
@@geesixnine wrong the real goal is galaxy manifest destiny just kidding real goal is universal manifest destiny
We would get Canada and plus there would be no Trudeau to run Canada
thecazigan28 no Trudeau would be hung for being a racist blackface wearing degenerate
You forgot the i in ruin.
I would jump for joy.
Da Raptor lol he would be a slave owner
thecazigan28 obama
Here’s a suggestion for another alternate history: During the Constitutional Convention, some Indians decide to attend, most likely Cherokee and Iroquois. After initial hesitation, the Indians successfully make the case that they can protect Washington’s supply lines, giving Washington’s Army great staying power. What happens next?
Who would Washington be at war with during the Constitutional Convention?
It’s likely the british would have a little less support, as the indians would be on the american side
Another interesting question would be what if then British won? How would the creation of a Native American buffer state to restrict westward expansion change the map of what is now the western United States? Would Britain have given the Mississippi and Alabama Gulf Coast, the only piece of land to permanently change hands during the war, back to Spain. What demands would they have made if they were in a position to dominate negotiations? Would Britain have kept New Ireland? What would a British dominated Great Lakes look like? How would guaranteed unrestricted access to the Mississippi River for trade by the British have effected the economy of the area? So many interesting what-ifs.
we did win though, America tried to annex land in Canada and we (along with Canadians) stopped them therefore we won the war while America still claims it as a draw thinking if no lands is exchanged no one won (based on that logic every defence of a country or castle is a draw). We just don't go on about it like America does because we were busy fighting (at the time) the largest war since Rome in Gaul in terms of the size of the armies. Neither time America fought the British Empire did the empire even try to fight back because it was occupied with more important matters (which america seems to forget)
@@kaihiggins725naw
Hell yeah first like, bro it just shows how much I love your videos and commitment, your a great orator and these scenarios are amazing, thank you!
Michael Scoville wait I am as first I thought
What if the United States was a constituency of the European empires, an economic asset that unites differing nations through a shared source of wealth? It would be split into several parts, with the Spaniards ruling Florida, the British controlling the East Coast, Russia colonizing Hawaii, etc. It would enrich the different nations, allowing their governments to remain popular due to economic prosperity. This opens up the possibility that many liberal revolutions that occurred in our timeline, would instead become minor revolts, thereby ensuring the survival of several monarchies and social conservatism in general. If America falls into revolution, then all of Europe falls into revolution. America would be dependent on Europe, and Europe would be dependent on America.
Awesome idea. I hope Z makes a video on this alt. history.
Interesting, almost like a geographic embodiment of the UN.
Monsieur Z Please do this
@Jason Street I... don't think you understand what "liberal" means in this context... or "conservative"... It's about 18th century politics and ethics, where "liberal" means someone who believes in the people having the right to decide how they are governed, and the idea that the power to rule originates from the people being rule and that people have rights innate to their personhood, rather than having privileges that can be taken away at the whims of a king, not modern politics where "liberal" in america means social democracy/democratic socialism. also, he didn't say he liked the idea of a powerful king... he proposed an alternate timeline of history... So many people propose one where the Nazis win, does that mean the people who propose those hypotheticals are nazis?
@@MonsieurDean so horrifying
The reason people in the US say they won is we dont consider the war to have been about taking Canada rather than Britian trying to retake the colonies, the Canadian invasion being more to put pressure on Britian to leave (and obviously getting territory could have been a byproduct, but the point being it wasnt the main point).
I’m always interested in these kinds of scenarios where the US takes for of North America. I kinda wanna see a scenario where the US not only takes Canada, but also conquers all of Mexico, and then goes on to annex Greenland, and Iceland.
And it all becomes on big nation. Also, there are still Latin people in Mexico, and they become full American citizens.
Cool idea.
The thing is, to have a scenario like this you have to have a less xenophobic early United States. Even white Catholics were persecuted in the early years of the Union, and racism was the main factor which prevented the US from annexing both Cuba and northern Mexico. Southerners didn't want Spanish-speaking Latinos in their country, even if many people in Cuba and northern Mexico don't have more than 1/4 Native in them.
Zachary Sazama one good example is New Mexico it went its whole history in the US being a territory. It never got its state hood a lot of the time due to the racism towards Hispanics and hatred towards Catholics. It took along time to admit it’s a state. You can even say with Puerto Rico the same thing is happening but this time there are some different factors that leads for it not to be one but there are the same problems of how New Mexico didn’t become one until recently.
@@Buttertheloser The problem with Puerto Rico is that the majority of Puerto Ricans consistently vote both against independence and statehood. Why do you think that is? Because I honestly have no idea why they wouldn't want either.
@@craftmania_0 Why wouldn't you?
A tie is a win for the defenders though, it’s just common sense
Excellent thinking. As a history teacher I think you thought this through extremely well!!!
What if the Anarchist of Republican Spain won the Spanish Civil War?
Or what if Anarchism replaced communism
I don't think that would work considering there literally ANARCHISTS
@Monarchist Dixielander but what if!
@@augustus_lex6126 well the anarchist spaniard want (or at least today) eliminate the government from the bases and star of zero, will be a restart to the nation
@@augustus_lex6126 yes I know there are anarchist in Spain but why wouldn't it have worked. Their philosphosy may not be completely sound but they're sincere in their message over there
What if Western Australia declared independence from Australia?
They would be ruled by Emus
@@kyleperlman Lol.
Kyle Perlman, boi
James Thomas no
@@Robbie-pc1dl Yes.
I love this remake video so much! And please make a video about what if the Korean Empire survives, What if Truman accepts MacArthur’s plan to nuke Manchuria, What if Qing Empire won the First Sino-Japanese War, What if the USA won the Vietnam War, and What if Manchukuo survives?
Great ideas
이동연 or what if MACArthur did a military coup after Truman fired him because that was a real threat many people thought was going to happen.
We did win that war... Anytime a weaker kid punches his bully in the face is a win
What if england stayed Roman
what if the song dynasty industrialised
what if Julian the apostate defeated the parthians
Kevin Hixson akkalaoaoa
Third temple then
This makes me imagine a whole unified continent of north America
Been wanting this one for a while. Definitely glad I got to watch this after work today.
Yay you've been working on audio levels. Keep creating great content!
Alternative title: what if the leafs were already raked?
I really liked this scenario a lot. I love the idea of a balance between centralization and decentralization. A great scenario Mr. Z!
Wow. This was amazing to watch. Nice work!
That is the best timeline. Thank you.
People on here: "Implying the U.S didn't win the War of 1812"
Actual history: Imagine thinking they did.
@UC9YfbYrF2osjJHJNmvGPXqQ The war started because of two reasons one Britan was capturing American sailors to give manpower to there Navy and two America wanted to take Canada Britan barley even cared about the war because they were fighting Napoleon you know a threat to them America was a small annoying child who the Brits could take candy from America lost and they would've lost more if it wasn't for biritan being tired from fighting Napoleon.
Yeah I saw the title and immediately assumed it would presage a triggering.
I'm not saying Britain won either, but considering the fact that they jumped at any excuse to attemp to annex Canada is pretty funny. What makes it more funny is that even while Britain was in a death struggle with Napoleon, still managed to repel multiple invasions into Canada, take 200 mile of coastline, take Washington, burn it, blockade and ruin the economy of the U.S, but still to this day: "ThE U.s WoN tHe WaR"
@@CentralAftermath The War of 1812 is kinda like the Vietnam war, in some senses. The British did some impressive battles and steamrolled many battles, yet choose to negotiate an end to the war due political and public backing ending back in Britain itself ending. Vietnam likewise lost every battle to America but America left due to political backing disappearing back home too. Vietnam "won" the Vietnam war due to the result of the political side of things, as too did America win political victories from the war of 1812.
The differences being America in the war of 1812 did win some battles. The Battle of Lake Erie essentially resulted in the US retaking Detroit and after the war assured the British couldn't block America continuing westward expansion aka Manifest Destiny. If this hadn't happened Britain would have blocked America from becoming the country it is today.
Further after Napoleon's defeat and the end of the War of 1812 Britain just didn't have a need to capture more American sailors. Thus America could claim another win to the public.
So yes, America didn't expand into Canada as per their goal but they did remove the British from what is now the American Midwest, which was a goal of the British. This victory allowed America to expand into the territory purchased in the Louisiana purchase. Basically America wanted to be able to expand North and West, they won the ability to expand West. If they lost the Battle of Lake Erie, then the modern world could look very different with California being either still part of Mexico or Canadian or British.
So it was a political win, not as stellar as America wanted though but a win nonetheless. Like Vietnam winning the political war but losing every battle.
As an American with a British father, I'm kinda neutral here. America, Canada and Britain all won political victories from this war. All sides can claim victory or be deemed to have been defeated if you spin this war correctly.
@@dillonblair6491 no it's not lmao. Impressment ended before peace talks even began, nullifying a U.S cause for war.
"The acquisition of Canada will be a mere matter of marching" (we all know how that turned out) That was evidently U.S' ultimate goal. It is even explained in the video why that is true. It failed. No ground was gained, no ground was lost in peace talks. Status quo.
If you read my other comment would see how I also said that neither did the British and I meant it for that very reason.
Your reasoning seems to be: "Britain stopped using natives" and the previously mentioned impressment.
There is a reason it is one of the U.S forgotten wars and has only gained traction during the last few years because the U.S did not win.
More than a few historians have pointed out the US did win in a way in this war as it survived (again) fighting the UK. While the US on land generally fumbled everything it did, it's actions at sea did get real attention from the Royal Navy. While the UK did not officially end impressment of US cits or stop arming/encouraging the tribes, in reality they largely did put both practices to rest.
The post war status quo while held up as an example of a failure of US war goals still had the US surviving as a nation w/out losing territory or treasure to our opponents. Given what happened to most of the UK's enemies during this period, status quo was not too bad after all
America did not won at all stfu slef centered dumbass America
America did not won at all stfu slef centered dumbass America
America did not won at all stfu slef centered dumbass America
America did not won at all stfu slef centered dumbass America
I think you broke the bot...
Excellent video. Very informative, and meticulously researched. I commend you.
Thanks @historyinmemes
This was very informative
To anyone who thinks America didn't win the war:
Remember when General Jackson stood like a stone wall at New Orleans?
Hmmmmm no this is spurious reasoning…it really was a defeat on many of the issues that brought us into the war
conspiracy theory: Monsieur Z is Cody from AlternateHistoryHub
Looks like you made a sequel. Very nice.
Much as Canadians are taught this was the point of the War of 1812 (the US one), and admitting there was a faction that wanted it to be the point within the US, from the US POV it wasn't. The invasion was only a means of trying to put pressure on England. The war was about British press gangs kidnapping Americans. Yes, the British had agreed not to do so multiple times but they never actually stopped until the issue led to war.
In my theory alaska would've been colonised and Quebec would be annexed.
“If Hamilton was president (and alive)”
I'm licking my lips at the thought of us having ownership over Alberta's tar sands.
we'd still get fucked by usa.
So the White House wouldn't be a Smoke House?
That sounds like a Snoop Dogg album.
Super Smash Revan Nah, it sounds like some might fine jerky and other meats to me.
Philadelphia will still be the capital of USA
the White House wouldn't be the WHITE House just The House
A more accurate title for this video would be “what if the US got more from winning the war of 1812 than we did in our timeline”
If getting pushed out by a military 1/20th the size is considered a win in the US, well thanks for the giggles. US came, US got beat back, their leaders got out thought and out fought, and oh yes Fort Detroit will always be a stain on the Americans. Imagine losing without firing a shot, against an enemy 1/10th the size.
What if there was no desert in Australia?
What if slavery was outlawed in Rome (starting from the foundation of the city)?
Uaksks
no more togas and have to use crappy barbers whose queues stretch for miles on end
They would use steam power then.
technically we did win we defended ourselves and routed any british forces that came after us we didnt invade canada thats the only difference in this alternate timeline.
The civil war would be very different
I was confused because the British didn’t win but I realized it was really a tie
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More of a minor victory for Britain
@@JJaqn05 how? Minor victory for the USA too.
@@JJaqn05 Not really. They didn’t really get much out of it
@@pixelpeoplewarrior4221 That wasn't their goal
Phew! It's good to hear that the invasion of 1812 wasn't merely a land grab based on the fact that it was reckoned that Britain would be unable to respond as it was involved in the Napoleonic Wars with it's one field army fighting to liberate Spain and Portugal from the French.
Who'd have thought that the people dispossessed because of their loyalty to Britain would be a factor in the defence of Canada.
Go Laura Secord!
literally both times America fought the empire the empire literally didn't care. In 1776 we were busy fighting in India and worrying about France & Spain than a bunch of peasants yet American's act like their struggle was like that of star wars aha
I love how the comments are in war over which side won. fun fact the entire war was composed of each side sitting on there rears instead of fighting until they both got bored and walked away.
id say it was a draw
unless your a native american
Agreed
Very true
Wow Mister Z with a younger voice, how nostalgic
Sir, excellent video. Have you considered doing an video on a hypothetical Anglo - American war in 1896? Robert Crowley did a nice essay on this topic in his What Ifs of American History entitling it "The Wolf and the Whale." More or less US being dominant on land (invading Canada) and the British Empire being supreme on the sea (bombarding the coast). Could potentially drive America into the Central Power in WWI and a host of other possibilities. I appreciate your creativity and previous videos.
It's a good thing we didn't take Canada. It provides us with a buffer zone in the north with another buffer in the south from enemy invasion. With the oceans in the East and West, we're literally defensed naturally from all sides.
we'd still have the oceans. the north wouldnt heat up and become less mountainous
You really should redo your "What If The Byzantine Empire survived" video.
So are you going to redo any other of your older videos
The war happening earlier could also be something. By 1812, the public was less supportive than earlier.
I find this scenario questionable at best. Most particularly I doubt (1) Your two American states would remain more-or-less ideologically the same for several generations, but compromising sufficiently to simply re-united, and (2) That such a state would never be challenged by the Old World, especially the UK, as well as having the kind of specific influences described here. History is in fact full of wild cards that suddenly shift events in unexpected directions. The election of Abrahm Lincoln comes to mind--not that something would have sparked the Southern states to secede, but his skill at running the war. All one has to do is look at the other candidates in the 1860 elections and extrapolate from there, looking at the various decisions and policies that administration pursued which shaped the United States history to this day. Likewise look at what happened with different Presidents during different wars to see how things could have gone differently, from Woodrow Wilson to Richard Nixon to George W. Bush or the current occupant.
Thanks, i hate it. -A Canadian
As an American I saw this and said..what?
But then see Canadian flag and said oh.
Alternate History idea: what if Abraham Lincoln lost the 1860 Election and Michigan, New York, and New England hived off to join Canada and the British Empire welcomed them?
Here's a random idea. What if America entered the great war as soon as it began.
@@Wickedonezz why?
@@Wickedonezz they hated Britain in the early American days in fact American British relations were pretty good thanks to teddy roosevelt and whoever was leading Britain at the time agreeing on one thing, they didn't like Germany. Also having a huge German population doesn't mean anything.
@@Wickedonezz yeah but the German American population was supportive of Germany until Germany started committing atrocities in Belgium, also you are kidding yourself if you think that US can't put down a rebellion
@@Wickedonezz so if you're Mexican you're most likely to support a Mexican dictatorship
Teddy roosevelt
Please make more videos explaining the I Am Uncle Sam universe. Here are some video ideas.
New Amerika Lore: Superior
New Amerika Lore: Great Louisiana
New Amerika Lore: Dixieland
New Amerika Lore: Ford
New Amerika Lore: Metro
New Amerika Lore: New England
I Am Uncle Sam Lore: Canada
I Am Uncle Sam Lore: Mexico and Central America
I Am Uncle Sam Lore: South America
I Am Uncle Sam Lore: Europe
I Am Uncle Sam Lore: Asia
I Am Uncle Sam Lore: Australia
I Am Uncle Sam Lore: Africa
And please do more collabs with other alternate history youtubers.
*cough* *cough* Cody from Alternate History Hub *cough* *cough*. Maybe do some with the Alternate Historian and Whatifalthist. They can appear in your videos and maybe you can go in their's.
A sequel to the book would be cool. I haven't read it but I saw the sample and from the looks of it it looks pretty cool. I'm asking for it for Christmas though.
Please make an alternate history scenario about the lore of the US of Z/US of Z Legion/US of Z Commonwealth. Maybe add some other lore in there too referring to some other alternate history youtubers. Like DA Group Education's Silver Legion America, Pax Historia, Emperor Tigerstar and Cody's own "Axis" powers.
Also please make an alternate history making a reversed cold war. Union of Russian Capitalist Republics vs. the United Socialist States of America.
And finally please show some more of your custom flag designs like this one. I think that they look awesome so I would love to see more of this type of stuff.
Thank you for looking this over and I hope that you appreciate my suggestions.
Also what is with the private and deleted videos. I only started watching Mr. Z during the summer. I know that CZcams has taken down some videos and the EU has as well. This has gone too far. The first two videos on his channel I saw (What if the US Won the War of 1812 Parts 1 and 2) are now gone.
Thanks for the reccomendations. We will be covering more of the I Am Uncle Sam Universe in the near future. As for collabs, Cody won't collab with me on account of my contro reputation, and Whatifalthist never responded to any of my messages, so for now it's really just me.
And I am interested in a reverse Cold War scenario, it will be in the works.
@@MonsieurDean thank you for responding. And thanks again for considering my suggestions and for looking over this comment. Your content is a real inspiration to me. Looking forward to your next vid.
@Thomas Hoffman actually in Monsieur Z's book I Am Uncle Sam the name of the successor state if the US is called New Amerika. Probably due to the large German population in the US at the time. But that is just my opinion. If you check his I Am Uncle Sam Lore playlist all of those videos have New Amerika Lore at the beginning of them.
What is uncle sam lore?
That’s nice
God damn I love that Flag in the Thumbnail where did you get it?
The U.S (nor UK) didn't lose the war of 1812. The natives did.
Britain's allies yet Britain didn't lose?
Awesome video! Btw what if Jesus was spared the crucifixion and was allowed to live among men until an old age?
@Lord Inquisitor Shadowlord yes but Jesus is both a historical figure and a theological figure, and his life and death had profound effects on the west and eventually the world
@Lord Inquisitor Shadowlord Jesus was a real person though
You should mix this scenario and the burr conspiracy.
Hi folks, i think that discussion confusion is probably due to a more specific title for this video which - “What Would Have Happened if the United States had won the War of 1812 in the beginning outright rather than middle of the war?” That would clarify things.
Sounds like an incredibly based scenario.
There is one major flaw in this scenario. The US was not trying to expand its territory when it attacked Canada. It was trying to bring about the removal of British influence. Had they succeeded in defeating British forces in Canada, it would not make that country part of the US.
That is not what the historical sources say
@@michaelbruvolt4221The United States voted against annexation of the Canadas. The Federalists would never have agreed to it; the Jeffersonian Republicans would have only permitted it as a bargaining chip to the Federalists. No swings states to create imbalance against the slave states (who pushed for war) and the south hated French Catholics. The western territory was far more desirable farmland than the cold north too. 🥶
@vicwa5383 not sure where you get your ideas from. But if the US had booted Britain out of Canada, it very much was looking to annex those lands. Not as states because the population was not large enough yet for statehood.
But they very much wanted 90% of what is now Canada. The only place where your argument has some merit is Congress did not want to annex the french-speaking area along the lower st-lawrence, which was too totally different from America. But outside of that, the Maritimes, Ontario and western Canada were all coveted to be part of an expanding United States.
@@michaelbruvolt4221 I disagree. My primary reference would be Alan Taylor's "Civil War of 1812" on the vote against annexation of the Canadas. I did further research on my own (on the voting records that Alan Taylor sourced) and the second vote was primarily on annexation of Florida. The Canadas were introduced as away to persuade the Federalists to jump on board, but this potential truce was eventually squashed when the Jeffersonian Republicans suggested that the Canadas could be flipped as a bargaining chip and returned to the British. It soured the Federalists enough that they voted against annexation (just like they voted against the war) as they had no reason to ever promote this war. The annexation of Florida (with the Canadas) was voted against on July 2nd, 1812. It was at that point that the Federalists would never agree to the annexation of the Canadas; they wanted this war lost as "Mr. Madison's War."
The level of distrust between the Federalists and Jeffersonian Republicans was ignited by the Henry letters as a British spy sold fake papers to Madison (many years earlier) and the Federalists were even against the Louisiana Purchase prior to that instance. The British were trying to create internal strife between the two American political parties, which unintentionally ended up with British themselves as a target for war.
Another historian that stressed the war was not about the Canadas but about impressment is Donald Hickey. The United States barely voted in favor of going to war with the British and the New England states (notably through Maine by Massachusetts influence) eventually smuggled goods for the British. Massachusetts was venomously against the war effort and sacrifice Maine as a result.
I look at it this way: The Americans wanted the Canadas about as much as the British wanted access to the Mississippi River ("choke point") or the native buffer state. I can see the Canadas as a secondary goal, but was not a deal breaker in negotiations.
@vicwa5383 you are looking myopically at one event. An event where Britain was still very much in control of Canada and internal US politics was debating the annexation of Florida vs. more northern territories.
Had the American Army completely taken over Canada and kicked the Brits out, are you actually naive enough to think that the US would just say "ok, let's just leave this large landmass be, time to go home"???
I'm not disputing one congressional bill that was talking about one specific issue. Your error is extrapolating this bill as a general American position on policy
In light of this vid I have a great idea for your next one: What if the US won it's Revolution against Britain? Also what if the US defeated the Confederacy in the Civil War?
What if the US won in Vietnam
@@IslandWork1 What if the French won 1066....wait never mind.
Idea: what if Adams had declared war on France in the late 1790s?
The War of 1812 is discussed in radically different terms in the U.S. & Canada.
That war is almost exclusively discussed in terms of naval warfare in the U.S. & in terms of the border skirmishes in Canada. I suppose only the border skirmishes are relevant to Canada, her Navy having always been relatively limited & relying on the British Royal Navy for protection prior to the collapse of the British Empire.
The War of 1812 is well known in America but it is the emphasis on the Naval aspect (the primary aspect) which causes confusion. The U.S. understood that war relative to the Pseudo War, a clandestine war conducted under Washington w/o declaration where he was allied to Britain again. Remember, @ this point in history Canada had no sovereign or autonomous gov't, only colonial officials.
Both those wars were about the principle of "freedom of the seas." The French, under Napoleon, were attacking our commercial ships & so we helped the Royal Navy defeat Napoleon's fleet. This WAS during the Napoleonic Wars. When the French navy was on the skids later on, they started using American false flags to escape constant British harassment. This was used as a pretext by the British for harassing American ships.
THIS IS WHAT PROVOKED THE U.S. TO DECLARE WAR AGAIN ON BRITAIN.
The British had hoped to use their Canadian provinces as a safe military base from which to undermine U.S. sovereignty. By proactively attacking them on what they regarded as safe ground North of the border we knocked them on their back foot & prevented a mass invasion from that ground. The political need to reassure their Canadian colonists was precisely what the U.S. hoped to accomplish, when you're defending you're NOT attacking.
If possible, the U.S. had hoped to expand our territory @ the expense of British territorial claims to the North, that was never a primary objective. We were only interested in tying up most British forces to the NORTH of the border. Ironlically, that the War of 1812 is often used as a defining moment in Canadian nationalism actually shows the success of the U.S. war objectives.
After the war, Canada was de-militarized (mostly) & the Royal Navy never again challenged our Navy or merchant marine & no effective, defensible British military ground was secured in America as had happened in the War of Independence.
A resounding victory, only seeming less then that precisely b/c of the great power the U.S. achieved after that war. A testament to that very success actually.
uh Does Canada exist YES end of garbage
The US: Sues for peace after completely failing to invade Canada
Americans: wE sTiLl WoN tHoUgH
What if the Canadians joined the Americans in the American Revolutionary War
Canada wasn't a country back then, we do take credit for winning in 1812 though.
@@mbpaintballa Most of the fighting was done by Canadian militias dressed in British army uniforms.
@@apostolnimillie7624 we weren't even Canadians at that point, and yes we wore British uniforms but we weren't a country during the war of indipendance
@@mbpaintballa By Canadians I was talking about the people who lived in "Upper Canada"
@@mbpaintballa you’re correct
I love how this is being recommended after Oversimplified’s The Pig War
I like this
*manifest destiny intensifies*
What if che Guevara was victorious in Bolivia?
A good question would be what comes next? In theory (just a generalized theory) you could see a war between leftists in northern South America (and southern Central America) and the right-wing governments of the South, however the details are what make or break it, so I'll need to look into it more.
@@MonsieurDean I believe that if he won the insurgencies in Latin America would become stronger just like how it happened with Cuba. Still does not mean they would win (even though it would help) but it could seriously upset the dynamic. Socialist Bolivia would face a dangerous situation though, if the previous goverment collapsed let's say in 1971 the revolutionaries would have 2 possibly friendly regimes, one being allende in Chile and the other being velasco's left wing junta in Peru. Both of them were overthrown by 1975 IRL but if the bolivian were somehow able to save them I could see a war between them and Brazil and perhaps Argentina, depending on how the dirty war goes there.
Dude how is it that I just studied American history but I still barely knew why were in the war of 1812 until now
Given Andrew Jackson's initial popularity came from the defense of New Orleans, how do you see him entering the national political ring?
Americans who thought they won:
What if Danish settlers in Greenland's south declare independence?
Interesting theory
@@Wickedonezz Lol. 😁🤣😂
@@thegamingpug4329 Just an idea, the Danes had greenland as a colony for a long time.
For some reason the audio is only coming out of the left channel on headphones, might be good to rebalance that and re-export next time.
Frederick the III, father of Wilhelm II survives his illness in 1888 (year of three emperors) and builds an alliance with both Britain and Russia. Please do this.
In this scenario the primary rivals for this alliance would be France, Austria-Hungary, and the Ottoman Empire, all competing with one or multiple of the other three powers for either European or colonial territory.
When are you going to remake what if egoism replace Marxism
Amarica who thought they won: Confused screaming
Make a video on what if Patrick Buchanan won the presidential election of 1992??
I started this, but it's something that I really want to get right, so it's just on the side right now.
Can we get a video on what if Strom Thurmond threw the election of 1948? Or if Wallace won in 1968
Monroe had that right. Party politics has destroyed any semblance of democracy in the United States.
As a Canadian, this scenario horrifies me.
*Implying the US didn’t already win the war of 1812*
If you read the description, it does ask what if the U.S won the war decisively.
Not sure if he says it in the vid yet.
Kaiserchan How did the US win? They got th white house burnt down
The Nova renaissance The capital of the US
@@nadiafriesen971 Battle of Lake Erie got the Brits out of American territory and allowed Manifest Destiny to continue. So what if the Brits burnt down a house when compared to gaining full access to the Midwest and Louisiana territory. In the long run, America gained far more than it lost from the war of 1812.
Was it the stellar victory America dreamed of? Absolutely not!
Did it beneficially serve American long term interests? Absolutely yes!
Further the Battle of Baltimore proved to the British they could never retake America without far more troops and ships. They could raid America, they could blockade America, but they could not hold it.
Another beneficial result was America continuing to build up their Navy as a result of the War of 1812.
Jonathan Ryan Lol Lousiana and genocidal destiny was not a British colony
Please do more Manifest Destiny videos!! Like the United States of the America’s
The natives were the real losers of the War of 1812. Not that they would have stood a chance in territories such as Ohio, Michigan or Illinois anyway, but with the westward expansion of the US and the British interfering less on the mainland, the Natives were ultimately doomed.
Whenever people from the USA refer to the "war of 1812", they are talking of a minor skirmish far away from the real war of 1812!
There is even a piece of music about the war that actually meant something that year. It is called "The 1812 Overture".
Napoleon Bonaparte had decided to invade Russia. Historically, this has never been a good idea and this invasion was pretty much the precursor to when another megalomaniac did exactly the same 128 years later. Napoleon got his arse handed to him and, although he actually did get to Moscow, he then retreated back to warmer parts but left a lot of his army along the way.
The invasion of Russia in 1812 made a difference to the world. It helped lead to the defeat of a wannabe world empire for good 3 years later in 1815.
The USA losing its war in 1812 learned nothing significant other than to not upset Canadians.
The 1812 Overture is really good. If you ever do that war, you have the background music ready made for it!
What if Charles The Great (Charlemagne) had married the Byzantine Empress Irene???
In this alternate timeline, I would like to think about the lessons morality and character would be of (a little more) importance to the present.
Or it may just be the same as today?
It could even be worse... Maybe? Maybe.
can you make a video about what if the Spanish empire never fell