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  • What if the United States, rather than align itself with Great Britain and the Triple Entente during the First Great War, instead joined Germany and the Central Powers? Perhaps most curiously, why would the US become a Central Power?
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  • @MonsieurDean
    @MonsieurDean  Před 4 lety +251

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    • @justinbrown9901
      @justinbrown9901 Před 4 lety +1

      I have a question, What if the Japanese won the imjin war?

    • @ostland_staat2356
      @ostland_staat2356 Před 4 lety +2

      Mr.Z what do you think ww2 would have been like if the red baron survived

    • @AuroEsium
      @AuroEsium Před 4 lety +1

      I need to relearn WWl

    • @andrewpulda7969
      @andrewpulda7969 Před 4 lety +2

      Had Germany had a little foresight they may have been able to strike a deal with media mogul W.R. Hurst who was of Irish decent and had no love for the Brits. A soft propaganda campaign of pro German/Irish anti Brit may have been strongly received by not only German immigrants of the time but also the large amount of Irish in the US.

    • @flashkingbro8704
      @flashkingbro8704 Před 4 lety +2

      what if Robert Kennedy survived his assassination and won the 1968 presidential race

  • @leolund1309
    @leolund1309 Před 4 lety +2512

    We need a Part 2,3,4 and 5, an actual scenario up to the modern day.

  • @narayasuiryoku1397
    @narayasuiryoku1397 Před 4 lety +1181

    Britain : Make the German population starve
    Everyone : I sleep
    Germany try to do the same to Britain
    Everyone : real shit.

    • @itsKarlDesigns
      @itsKarlDesigns Před 4 lety +134

      @@Void_Wars so if i were to order a taxi and use that taxi to deliver arms to enemy forces in war zone, i shall be let pass freely, if someone does even so as approach me I am ordered to attack them, but they are still not allowed to attack me because I am inside this taxi. Makes sense.

    • @UlfDerDritte
      @UlfDerDritte Před 4 lety +136

      @Stephen Jenkins if you transport war supplies on a cruise ship, it's hardly a *cruise* ship anymore

    • @NeverEverClever
      @NeverEverClever Před 4 lety +27

      @@itsKarlDesigns you forgot that you're allowed to shoot at the enemy unprovoked while on the taxi

    • @AmericanCaesarian
      @AmericanCaesarian Před 3 lety +11

      @@itsKarlDesigns international logic

    • @AmericanCaesarian
      @AmericanCaesarian Před 3 lety +9

      @@NeverEverClever oh yeah that too, but they cant shoot you when provoked

  • @stevelenz8493
    @stevelenz8493 Před 4 lety +1512

    What if in 1939 Germany had chose to stay allied with Nationalist China instead of allying Japan.

    • @kaljami9095
      @kaljami9095 Před 4 lety +53

      Yes

    • @timvanrijn8239
      @timvanrijn8239 Před 4 lety +178

      AH: oke boi lets make sure things cool off over danzig. I need you to save china.
      HH: wait why.
      AH: we will flank the communist in a continent wide encirclement (mad laughing)

    • @cherrykmy7336
      @cherrykmy7336 Před 4 lety +217

      Hoi4 germany picking befriend china instead of japan

    • @Bahns007
      @Bahns007 Před 4 lety +72

      @@cherrykmy7336 Man of Culture I see

    • @cherrykmy7336
      @cherrykmy7336 Před 4 lety +46

      @@Bahns007 yes, Yes i am.

  • @shidderofkyev613
    @shidderofkyev613 Před 4 lety +955

    mfw when the colony which rebelled against you around 120 years ago starts upsetting the entire balance of world power that you’ve worked for multiple centuries

    • @timvanrijn8239
      @timvanrijn8239 Před 4 lety +13

      Otl or Atl?

    • @jackietang3789
      @jackietang3789 Před 4 lety +56

      *YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!*

    • @ronjayrose9706
      @ronjayrose9706 Před 4 lety +23

      @Rory Mulligan *cries in free native american states*

    • @dvf1736
      @dvf1736 Před 4 lety +16

      @Rory Mulligan Not France and Russia. The US still is close with France to this day and was close with Russia until WWII.

    • @coolthief8375
      @coolthief8375 Před 4 lety +15

      Eagle J. The US and Russia never had good relations. Even before WW1 and WW2 they had neutral relations at best.

  • @chillaxo9863
    @chillaxo9863 Před 4 lety +713

    USA: exists
    Britain: *starts smashing chessboard after trying to balance things for centuries

    • @agbottan
      @agbottan Před 4 lety +82

      I dont know if Mons. Z already did this, but I would like to watch a scenario where this happens:
      America: "No taxation whitout representation!"
      Britain: "Fair point. Choose some representatives to go to London for we to discuss this."

    • @VikingMuayThai
      @VikingMuayThai Před 3 lety +29

      @Rory Mulligan G. Washington pulls a full Hannibal and crosses the Atlantic in winter.

    • @firestriker3580
      @firestriker3580 Před 3 lety

      @Amber Hoke Wat

    • @firestriker3580
      @firestriker3580 Před 3 lety

      @@VikingMuayThai Nope

    • @firestriker3580
      @firestriker3580 Před 3 lety

      @Xander Smith He isn’t stfu

  • @EvilParagon4
    @EvilParagon4 Před 4 lety +241

    This is why the best alt hist scenarios aren't WW2, but WW1.
    Such interesting worlds can be created, and really there are only a few unchangeable constants.
    1. France will always be against Germany.
    2. Austria will always be against Serbia.
    From there you have crazy scenarios where neutrals join in on either side (CP Sweden, Allied Spain, etc.) to full on swapped sides (CP Russia, Allied Ottomans).
    Some are less likely than others 100%, but there's so many variables to play with in WW1 because it was really a neutral war where no side was really in the wrong, and staying true to its neutrality as a war, it even almost ended in perfect stalemate, one small scale tip and everything changes.
    PS. If you can find a believable Central Powers France scenario, that'd be impressive.

    • @zwilder1
      @zwilder1 Před 11 měsíci

      i think it would be more accurate to say each side was in the wrong rather than no side was in the wrong

    • @pjdj
      @pjdj Před 10 měsíci +5

      @@zwilder1 Why? The central alliance was just an ally backing up an ally, and the Ottoman Empire trying to re-establish their power. The Entente was simply people trying to defend their allies.

  • @leidyrivera6532
    @leidyrivera6532 Před 4 lety +581

    "the ottomans were holding strong against the entente" yeah definitely

    • @spawn-pt8yp
      @spawn-pt8yp Před 4 lety +6

      😆

    • @Gallic_Gabagool
      @Gallic_Gabagool Před 4 lety +118

      ???? Gallipoli?

    • @secureinactive4750
      @secureinactive4750 Před 4 lety +105

      They weren't initially, but as soon as Ataturk took the reigns both Russia and the Brittish empire were both successfully repelled.

    • @jamesricker3997
      @jamesricker3997 Před 4 lety +7

      Other events probably altered entente troop deployment

    • @thinthest6832
      @thinthest6832 Před 4 lety +73

      In our timeline the ottomans had almost captured the suez and had successfully repelled an attack on gallipoli only after the british pooled troops, started two new offensives, and created the arab uprising that turned the tides in the middle east

  • @ClayandPapyrus
    @ClayandPapyrus Před 4 lety +352

    That just sounds like Kaiserreich but with extra steps

    • @AdventuringMind
      @AdventuringMind Před 4 lety +67

      Should say better outcome for U.S. Get to annex part of the hat and loans that U.S. had with the European powers would be paid. Just wondering how the Entante butthurt would manifest. lol

    • @charmyzard
      @charmyzard Před 3 lety +11

      @@AdventuringMind Facist Britain/France?

    • @ThugHunterfromIsrael
      @ThugHunterfromIsrael Před 2 lety +5

      @@charmyzard i'd reckon a communist france, not sure about britain, but assuming italy does the thing again it could go fascist.

  • @medified4872
    @medified4872 Před 4 lety +471

    USA: *Joins Central Powers*
    Britain and France: 👁👄👁

  • @solinvictus1214
    @solinvictus1214 Před 4 lety +454

    That would be one hell of a bruh moment

  • @reapervalentin9167
    @reapervalentin9167 Před 4 lety +415

    Germany When USA Joins Their Side:"Yeah, It's All Coming Together"

    • @stevencooper4422
      @stevencooper4422 Před 4 lety +48

      Thanks for screwing the west, Woodrow Wilson!

    • @nero7469
      @nero7469 Před 4 lety +20

      Germany: "FUCK YEAH, now we win"

    • @catrielmarignaclionti4518
      @catrielmarignaclionti4518 Před 4 lety +1

      @@nero7469 they still lose everything to the russians, like, even D-Day seems like a scartch to what the russians did

    • @nero7469
      @nero7469 Před 4 lety +34

      @@catrielmarignaclionti4518 We're talking about WW1 not 2

    • @catrielmarignaclionti4518
      @catrielmarignaclionti4518 Před 4 lety

      @@nero7469 they still joined at the end and took the credit

  • @InvertedGigachad
    @InvertedGigachad Před 4 lety +115

    *Clemenceau and his staff meeting in Paris *
    Clemenceau: So Jacques, what is the news?
    Jacques: The Americans have joined the war.
    Clemenceau: Hon hon hon, that´s good, the Kaiser will hate that.
    *Jacques sweating nervously*
    *Clemenceau hearing Preußens Gloria playing from the Champs Elysées *
    Clemenceau: Please, tell my I´m having a bad dream.

  • @edgelord8337
    @edgelord8337 Před 4 lety +403

    United kingdom: *any good news solider?*
    Solider: *no the french are being pushed back and the USA joined the war*
    United kingdom: *insert surprised pikachu*

    • @thevox1764
      @thevox1764 Před 4 lety +2

      :0

    • @maxstone2380
      @maxstone2380 Před 4 lety +5

      Remove "the"

    • @OddZodd
      @OddZodd Před 4 lety +5

      @@maxstone2380 No, thats correct 😅

    • @shidderofkyev613
      @shidderofkyev613 Před 4 lety +6

      @@OddZodd no, it's wrong. the would be used in the right context if it were "French" instead of France and had "are" instead of "is".

    • @steveguild871
      @steveguild871 Před 4 lety

      @RavnDream Solitaire, Bond girl from "Live and Let Die".

  • @SupremeLeaderKimJong-un
    @SupremeLeaderKimJong-un Před 4 lety +269

    What if the Soviet Union joined Tannu Tuva instead of the opposite

  • @LedosKell
    @LedosKell Před 4 lety +73

    Just imagine a crew of German submariners docking in New York in 1916 or 1917 and being welcomed as 'Steuben's boys'. I would imagine there would be a deluge of propaganda art emphasizing Steuben and the Hessian mercenaries from the Revolution.

    • @eidoneverchoosen1171
      @eidoneverchoosen1171 Před 3 lety +15

      Yeah some old photos of some Americans and Germans in front of a U-boat i can see it in history books.

  • @bigburgerboi1
    @bigburgerboi1 Před 4 lety +161

    So, your telling me that if the USA had sided with the German Empire my dreams of annexing Canada would have been fulfilled long before I was even born.
    Well, I guess I know what I'm going to do when mankind builds a time machine.

    • @Joseph_417
      @Joseph_417 Před 3 lety +7

      @@grandmarshallsteve8183 and me

    • @Emperordgualica
      @Emperordgualica Před 2 lety +2

      @@Joseph_417 I will also come… then find a way to change our WWII, with America joining the axis powers.

    • @Vienic2
      @Vienic2 Před 2 lety +4

      @@Emperordgualica yeah no

    • @Emperordgualica
      @Emperordgualica Před 2 lety +2

      @@Vienic2 what? I want to see what happens.

    • @EnigmaEnginseer
      @EnigmaEnginseer Před 2 lety +2

      @@Emperordgualica You would have to change a LOT of aspects of either the US or the Axis Powers to even begin to contemplate such an alliance.

  • @saintsauce853
    @saintsauce853 Před 4 lety +201

    I’d love to see a part 2 of this scenario! Hints of a second Great War would be cool to see how it plays out

    • @LoverKittey
      @LoverKittey Před 2 lety +12

      It would basically be France, Britain, and Italy as the Axis, with Germany, USA and the Ottoman Empire along with the Yugoslav states as the Allies. Japan may even join in for round 3 against Russia and China. Would be super weird.

  • @nirfz
    @nirfz Před 4 lety +64

    Actually i think if the US just stopped trade with the Entente they would have lost WW1. The amount of weapons and ammunition as well as food and other recources the US shipped to France the UK and italy made it possible for them to hold out until the end of the war. I think they would not even have had to actively fight to decide the conflict this way.

    • @firestriker3580
      @firestriker3580 Před 3 lety +2

      US wouldn’t have lost the war

    • @nirfz
      @nirfz Před 3 lety +11

      @@firestriker3580 I never claimed that. (may i suggest you to read my comment again?)
      What i claimed (in short) is that if the US would not have supplied the Entente, this would have been enough to decide the conflict against the Entente.

    • @LandoBando-pj5ox
      @LandoBando-pj5ox Před 3 lety +1

      @@nirfz i think its a spam bot

    • @nirfz
      @nirfz Před 3 lety +1

      @@LandoBando-pj5ox you could be right with that.

    • @firestrikeriii5043
      @firestrikeriii5043 Před 2 lety +1

      Na

  • @somerandomguy2447
    @somerandomguy2447 Před 3 lety +47

    Honestly we should’ve fought with Germany

    • @rewarp4017
      @rewarp4017 Před 2 lety +4

      that would change history

    • @Jerry-tg7zx
      @Jerry-tg7zx Před rokem +1

      Everyone in holocaust therapy session:-*cringed tom face*

    • @mynameiskev06
      @mynameiskev06 Před rokem

      yes

    • @redlion45
      @redlion45 Před rokem +18

      @@Jerry-tg7zx That fixes that problem. If Germany wins WW1, that means no treaty of Versailles, which means no Hitler rising to power.

    • @cpob2013
      @cpob2013 Před 10 měsíci +4

      ​@Jerry-tg7zx you do know ww1 and ww2 are 2 different wars

  • @Mitchell-yw6tu
    @Mitchell-yw6tu Před 4 lety +29

    Z: “...Nationalistic Revenge” Oswald Mosley: “Allow me to introduce myself!”

  • @dohanicempire6016
    @dohanicempire6016 Před 4 lety +417

    Isn’t it crazy how the Germans, Austrians/Hungarians and Turks all lost their empires during WW1? Rest In Peace to one of the greatest alliances in the world!

    • @neat4217
      @neat4217 Před 3 lety +121

      Germans: Omg the Treaty of Versailles was so unfair! I cant even militarize the Rhineland!
      What bout you Austria-Hungaria?
      Austria: Huh?
      Hungary: Huh?
      YugoSlavia: What?
      Czechoslovakia: Huh?
      Germany: Well damn...

    • @kasadam85
      @kasadam85 Před 3 lety +17

      @@neat4217 check Treaty of Sevres Lmao

    • @deutschekugelthe1st622
      @deutschekugelthe1st622 Před 2 lety +7

      @@neat4217 austria hungaria

    • @charmyzard
      @charmyzard Před 2 lety +16

      @@kasadam85 Imagine whining at the German actions in Belgium but not at the Treaty ofServes lol - US failing at plausible deniability.

    • @trevorkarkoroff1621
      @trevorkarkoroff1621 Před 2 lety +1

      @@charmyzard but it’s there fault they started le war

  • @AverytheCubanAmerican
    @AverytheCubanAmerican Před 4 lety +98

    What if Nicaragua won the Google Maps War

  • @officialzji1828
    @officialzji1828 Před 4 lety +169

    Here's a question:
    What if William Henry Harrison live longer?

  • @mr.k418
    @mr.k418 Před 4 lety +116

    This needs a sequel, please make one.

    • @MonsieurDean
      @MonsieurDean  Před 4 lety +54

      Much of this plot-line will return in the remake of "What If Germany Won WW1".

    • @Vqtr26
      @Vqtr26 Před 3 lety +8

      @@MonsieurDean where is it

  • @panzerscoutsmemories1152
    @panzerscoutsmemories1152 Před 4 lety +188

    Imagine that if the US really joined the Central powers
    A greater United States could have been created, with all of Canada, And the caribbean colonies

    • @heinoobermeyer7566
      @heinoobermeyer7566 Před 4 lety +80

      We truly live in the darkest timeline

    • @madmarvshighwaywarrior2870
      @madmarvshighwaywarrior2870 Před 4 lety +5

      But hopefully this is not the 'dumbfuckistan' version of the US, right?

    • @thedankmemelord5215
      @thedankmemelord5215 Před 4 lety +12

      Maybe if somehow the confederates won the civil war? I think Harry Turtledove wrote a series on that, but idk

    • @DylanJo123
      @DylanJo123 Před 4 lety +7

      @@madmarvshighwaywarrior2870 Not likely

    • @thetechoasis2179
      @thetechoasis2179 Před 4 lety +5

      you think America could win against the British in 1918? at the height of it's empire, the Royal Navy was colossal at that point in time. the British in 1918 are very different from the British in 1770's strong enough to subdue 1/3 of the planets landmass and population just remember that.

  • @zionmolina3039
    @zionmolina3039 Před 4 lety +145

    This was a interesting one, did you find anything interesting on What if the Ottoman Empire joined the Entenete instead of the Central Powers?

    • @kronosbach5263
      @kronosbach5263 Před 4 lety +28

      Bulgaria would be fuged.

    • @timvanrijn8239
      @timvanrijn8239 Před 4 lety +6

      Can they gain anything from that?

    • @jeffreywashko6998
      @jeffreywashko6998 Před 4 lety +8

      It wasn't exactly happened because the British declared war on the Ottoman empire for there oil in territory.

    • @johnburt7935
      @johnburt7935 Před 4 lety +7

      How about, "What If The Ottoman Empire Collapsed In The 1880s And Was Replaced By A Modernizing Republic?" [or even just a forward-looking dictatorship?]

    • @zionmolina3039
      @zionmolina3039 Před 4 lety +3

      @@johnburt7935 that sounds interesting, would the dictatorship keep the legacy of The Ottoman Empire ?

  • @user-kt8yp5ho2y
    @user-kt8yp5ho2y Před 4 lety +137

    I love it! And here are the lists that I want to see the future video.
    1. What if Korean Empire never fails.
    2. What if Korea becomes the colony of France?
    3. What if Japan becomes the colony of the USA?
    4. What if Xinhai Revolution failed?
    5. What if Two Sicilian Empire had a colony or refuse to united with Italian Empire?
    6. What if USA failed in the Spanish American war?
    7. What if Ethiopia was the superpower in the African continent?
    8. What if Park Chunghee survives in the 10/26?

    • @IndustrialParrot2816
      @IndustrialParrot2816 Před 3 lety +4

      me what if germany, austria, neatherlands, denmark, and sweden become big world powers and screw spain, britan, france, and portegul

    • @michaelmiller5771
      @michaelmiller5771 Před 3 lety +4

      What if t the south rose again

  • @GavinPetty
    @GavinPetty Před 4 lety +139

    USA: "joins the war"
    Britain: Glad to be fighting alongside ya
    USA: "takes over canada"
    Britain: no no no, what are you DOING?!?!?
    USA: I'm becoming your doom

    • @thetechoasis2179
      @thetechoasis2179 Před 4 lety +4

      not in 1918 Britain was a lot more powerful than the US. literally the height of it's empire, thousands of royal navy ships the most advanced navy in the world at the time

    • @abotz5396
      @abotz5396 Před 4 lety +3

      No lol uk is more powerful

    • @abotz5396
      @abotz5396 Před 4 lety +1

      Delete this comment its so unsensible,stupid,dumb and biased

    • @thanakonpraepanich4284
      @thanakonpraepanich4284 Před 3 lety +9

      @Amber Hoke
      Apart from US can field men faster, would Canadian army become smaller every time they took casualty while US Army grow bigger with each passing week?
      That certainly how it went down in WW2 Pacific theater, where Japan had no replacements for every loss they took.

    • @firestriker3580
      @firestriker3580 Před 3 lety +3

      @@thetechoasis2179 No it wasn’t a lot more powerful than the US dumbass. The US was WAY more powerful than Britain in 1918

  • @pdmacguire
    @pdmacguire Před rokem +37

    It really would have made just as much sense to ally with Germany. The Germans were desirable trading partners and didnt work against us. Germany gets a lot of the blame for the war , but French aggression was largely to blame. The French started the Franco-Prussian War, as well. Also we'd previously been at war twice with Britain and several quasi-wars with France. The big reason to join the central powers would have been the total arrogance of the blockade of Germany. Blocking our trade with Germany and Austria is something we should have stood up to and stopped. And then there was Canada, which we still wanted.

    • @chamuuemura5314
      @chamuuemura5314 Před 6 měsíci +3

      Ideally yes, but Wilson was making bank trading with England early on.
      Looking back at the effects of the peace, both the US and Japan would’ve been better off either neutral or allied with the Central Powers.

  • @theoldsaxon6484
    @theoldsaxon6484 Před 4 lety +44

    Epic timeline! Imagine how interesting the Old Canadian West would be!
    In my humble opinion, this needs a couple more episodes!

  • @InfernosReaper
    @InfernosReaper Před 3 lety +31

    If only Germany could have *proven* that the Lusitania was carrying munitions, which was discovered to be definitely the case nearly a century after the fact, things might have been very different.

    • @thememekid23471
      @thememekid23471 Před měsícem

      Then USA Might Have Joined The Central Powers During WW1 In 1917 (or 1915)

  • @morsecode980
    @morsecode980 Před 4 lety +63

    • What if Germany was dismantled/Balkanized after either WW1 or 2?
    • What if Habsburg Mexico survived?
    • What if the USSR returned to dictatorship/Stalinism in the late 70’s or early 80’s prior to Gorbachev being able to take office?

  • @Crescentine
    @Crescentine Před 4 lety +47

    Last time I was this early south africa collapsed after apartheid

  • @theeternalsuperstar3773
    @theeternalsuperstar3773 Před 2 lety +9

    Austria & Serbia: Start the war
    Entente: "Germany did it!"
    Germany: Attempts to negotiate a white peace and return to status quo in 1916
    Entente: "Germanys a warmonger!"

  • @stevenundisclosed6091
    @stevenundisclosed6091 Před 3 lety +14

    Based on this video, it sounds like the US should have sided with Germany in WWI.

  • @danielduvernay3207
    @danielduvernay3207 Před 4 lety +53

    Woo!
    First I think.
    Nice concept for a video! How about “What if America and Britain became a dual country.” You’ll probably need to clean up the title, but it’s basically like Britain and America split the world between them. It would also more likely ally them more closely with Germany.

  • @kodystennett5414
    @kodystennett5414 Před 4 lety +42

    USA + central powers = paradise.

  • @user-kt8yp5ho2y
    @user-kt8yp5ho2y Před 4 lety +74

    This the one of the world that I wished to live in. :)

    • @holyromanempireball465
      @holyromanempireball465 Před 4 lety +9

      Same

    • @user-kt8yp5ho2y
      @user-kt8yp5ho2y Před 4 lety +1

      British Empire ball Yep. :D

    • @Gallic_Gabagool
      @Gallic_Gabagool Před 4 lety +2

      Typical cuddled westerners. You dont even know how horrific it is to live in an authoritarian fascist state. Its insane you would all say this smh.

    • @Gallic_Gabagool
      @Gallic_Gabagool Před 4 lety +1

      @Nathan Santoro Yeah lets live in an authoritarian dictatorship and have no rights so there will be no SJWs wow what a great trade off... idiots. Typical useful idiots that would give up all their hard earned freedoms for basically nothing. The founding fathers would spit on you.

    • @robertevbayekha6639
      @robertevbayekha6639 Před 2 lety

      Not me

  • @jamesestrada2716
    @jamesestrada2716 Před 3 lety +7

    Britain: "Destroy this mad brute!"
    also Britain: *holds most of the world hostage*

  • @sirwence9949
    @sirwence9949 Před 4 lety +2

    Great Video Z ; would love to see a part 2 to this ^^

  • @prinzessinazula2323
    @prinzessinazula2323 Před 4 lety +20

    Great video. I appreciate it how you explained all facts of the Lusitania-incident and not only the Entente version.

    • @MonsieurDean
      @MonsieurDean  Před 4 lety +5

      Thank you! Commonly misunderstood moments like those deserve total explanation.

  • @monarchblue4280
    @monarchblue4280 Před 4 lety +26

    Yeah!!! Another remake of my old WW1 favourites.

  • @frankl9583
    @frankl9583 Před 4 lety +19

    Baltimore had a very large German population, with a German language paper, as well as the City Council minutes being published in German. An interesting book loosely connected to this is "The Baltimore Sabotage Cell: German Agents, American Traitors, and the U-boat Deutschland During World War I" by Dwight Messimer. It is about a then active German plot in the city during the war with German-American Sympathizers.

    • @ThePikminCaptain
      @ThePikminCaptain Před 10 měsíci

      As a Marylander who likes history, I didn’t know this

    • @Ultima-Signa
      @Ultima-Signa Před 4 měsíci

      The reason Baltimore did have a German cell was due to Baltimore being a supply hub for ships supplying Britain. Not because of its German-American population, which wasn’t even that big. It’s ridiculous of you to claim or even just suggest that the German-Americans would have plotted against the USA in an attempt to help the German Empire. Their homeland was America - and especially German-American had been among the greatest American patriots. And don’t forget that the Germans did leave Germany BECAUSE of the fact that Germany was being ruled by a monarchist feudal system and to some extent even because it was ruled/controlled by Prussia. But the German-Americans of course were not sympathetic to the whole unconditional anti-German propaganda hysteria since they themselves did become victims of that (This anti-German propaganda actually generalized all german-americans as being potential German agents simply for being of German ancestry - similar to what you’re saying in your comment - simply because they wouldn’t declare that Germany would be evil like the mainstream media of the time did and also still spoke their native tongue of German).
      And to refer to those Americans that did help the German cell as American traitors seems a bit far-fetched considering that the US hasn’t even entered the war at that time and still continued to declare itself as being neutral. And they solely sabotaged privately owned and british ships. I mean what about those Americans did support their respective countries of ancestry other than Germany?

  • @nakedsnake869
    @nakedsnake869 Před 4 lety +25

    Ah, now that seems like a good ol' American victory to me bois

  • @Tomreese130
    @Tomreese130 Před 4 lety +41

    God I love this channel so much. This man puts so much time and effort in his research and picks some of the most interesting time periods and events. I have so much respect for you keep it up!

  • @brandonbonett6416
    @brandonbonett6416 Před 4 lety +41

    Have you ever considered doing a 'What if the Knights Templar colonized America'?

  • @maxcream6726
    @maxcream6726 Před rokem +5

    This is a couple of years old, but I just watched it for the first time. Really enjoyed it.

  • @martinlacouline2049
    @martinlacouline2049 Před 2 lety +3

    Really entertaining. LOVE alternate history keep up the good work. I'm digging your older catalogue and and i just found an interesting alteration that i myself speculate on for a while now... i'll keep it short : What if the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth grew in strength and leadership, while the prussian fails to take the leadership and unite germany. I'll watch it right now in fact. Thx Good Content

  • @SlackKeyMinecraft
    @SlackKeyMinecraft Před 3 lety +8

    Wow! This was actually a really realistic and well thought out alternate history video and it was very entertaining

  • @neighslayer768
    @neighslayer768 Před 4 lety +16

    I wanna go to this timeline and hear whatever album Sabaton writes about it.

  • @matthew8153
    @matthew8153 Před 3 lety +13

    “And I think to myself: what a wonderful world”

  • @aryanbhattacharjee9673
    @aryanbhattacharjee9673 Před 4 lety +14

    "What if 2001 Indian Parliament attack was successful?"- trust me this scenario could'hv reshaped geopolitics forever, in Asia and in elsewhere.

    • @thanakonpraepanich4284
      @thanakonpraepanich4284 Před 3 lety +3

      What would happened in alternate timeline apart from forever killing peace between Delhi and Karachi?

  • @kingcotton659
    @kingcotton659 Před 4 lety +3

    I’ve been waiting for this

  • @James-gd3sp
    @James-gd3sp Před 4 lety +13

    If wilson had more say in negotiations like you mentioned I dont think a reverse versailles treaty would happen. Wilson did not like how crippled it made germany and had made its own separate negotiations so I think the same could be applied to this alternate history.

  • @jamestrexler6329
    @jamestrexler6329 Před 2 lety +3

    Monsieur Z: "But what if that changed?"
    Domino's Ad: "Go on, mix it up a little!"
    ...well okay then, I see Domino's is a fan.

  • @bearsausage8599
    @bearsausage8599 Před 4 lety +15

    we shouldve been in the central powers, we would've been way more powerful

  • @conservativecatholic9030
    @conservativecatholic9030 Před 3 lety +5

    This is a good alternate history and I would enjoy a few more episodes going through the Depression (if it happens), the Cold War up to Covid-19.

  • @mylesmontgomery9345
    @mylesmontgomery9345 Před 4 lety +4

    I just noticed that your voice has gotten deeper and more serious compared to you more light hearted and critical voice from before.

  • @brothers_of_nod
    @brothers_of_nod Před 3 lety

    Just found your channel and find these videos quite nice.

  • @Marczonda7
    @Marczonda7 Před 4 lety +23

    What if America stad neutral during the whole war

    • @robertisham5279
      @robertisham5279 Před 3 lety +9

      That's what we should've done and the same for ww2.

    • @Tatusiek_1
      @Tatusiek_1 Před 3 lety +1

      Farhan Mckinnons yea

    • @firestriker3580
      @firestriker3580 Před 3 lety

      @@Tatusiek_1 Uh no

    • @firestriker3580
      @firestriker3580 Před 3 lety +1

      @Вук Тодић Entente wouldn’t have won and German wouldn’t have gotten beaten up

    • @firestriker3580
      @firestriker3580 Před 3 lety

      @Вук Тодић WW2 would still most likely happen

  • @eriknewman5288
    @eriknewman5288 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Wilson wanted to enter the war. The banking cartels that installed him into office wanted war because financing the American War machine would've been very profitable for them. The banking cartels were funding both sides of the war already and the US entering and needing to ramp up war efforts would be a wind fall. The same strategy was followed in WW2. The US waited, funded both sides until it decided to join the side that owed us the most money.

  • @DamonNomad82
    @DamonNomad82 Před 4 lety +19

    What if William Jennings Bryan was elected President of the United States in 1912?

    • @adamhauskins6407
      @adamhauskins6407 Před 4 lety +3

      That's so horrifying I don't even want to think about it in anyway shape or form.

    • @robertisham5279
      @robertisham5279 Před 3 lety

      @@adamhauskins6407 Why

    • @adamhauskins6407
      @adamhauskins6407 Před 3 lety +1

      @@robertisham5279 free silver mostly, plus focusing on being an agrarian state instead of an industrial one plus a lot of other stuff like prohibition

  • @undergroundman5153
    @undergroundman5153 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Wilson would never act against Britain, his main adviser Colonel House, had major ties to British officials. House was also the son of a British block runner for the CSA; and not to mention that he was in England at the time of Wilson’s inauguration.

  • @MemeatorMotivatoroftheMemes

    Wow, a scenario where someone could actually see Willson as a "good guy"... ah, who am I kidding, he probably still did all the stuff that people gate him for today.
    Still, I like this outcome. While the future looks grim as another world war is guaranteed, I see that this world has less far-reaching downsides. Things like the PRC, Islamic Terrorism, and a massive Cold War between Democracy and Communism can never really happen to the scale that it happened in our timeline. I can be said that this would is slightly better, as there is less unrest in the wider parts of the world, but that entirely depends on who wins this new second world war.

    • @MemeatorMotivatoroftheMemes
      @MemeatorMotivatoroftheMemes Před 4 lety +3

      @Stephen Jenkins You are correct in that there would be a second world war due to radical ideologies in France and Britain, I was going for "there would be no cold war where both sides have nukes"
      A few things I would bring up is that Britain relied heavily on their imports from their colonies, thus with the loss of influence over their colonies either due to their freedom after the war or them distancing themselves from Britain after the ideological shift (which I will admit is unlikely as the entire Empire would share similar sentiments without US interference to bring say Austrailia into their sphere of Influence)
      For France the case is more severe, as compared to their Land rival of Germany, their raw resources and industry pale in comparison even if they undertook a Stalin-like plan for massive industrialization, raw resources are sparse without trading with other powers, which they would with Britain.
      Should the Ottoman Empire collapse (eventually it would) it will end up splitting along ethnic lines, compared to France and Britain drawing lines on a map and saying good. I recognize that there is the possibility for radical ideologies to mix with their religious nature, and to cause problems that way, but I was probably going for the "it's not a natural powderkeg area" route as there isn't countries with mixed ethnic groups fighting each other constantly.
      For US isolationism, yeah that would be a problem. And without very strong economic ties to Germany in terms of helping fund their war effort and getting caught in the crossfire, they are even more unlikely to join than in our world's US.
      In the end, this world would only be slightly different from our own, its merely a matter of perspective on how you think the world will carry on from this point.

    • @firestrikeriii5043
      @firestrikeriii5043 Před 2 lety

      Wilson wasn’t a good guy dude

    • @firestrikeriii5043
      @firestrikeriii5043 Před 2 lety

      Na

  • @AmazingGuy13
    @AmazingGuy13 Před 4 lety +91

    The Central Powers were the real good guys

    • @dismantledhenry5006
      @dismantledhenry5006 Před 3 lety +32

      No good or bad guys in ww1 but in ww2 its obviously the axis

    • @moonagaming6068
      @moonagaming6068 Před 3 lety +1

      @w h y my man spitting fact Here

    • @vuktodic1356
      @vuktodic1356 Před 3 lety +3

      Those good guys caused war and killed like 17 milion or so peoples in just 4 years

    • @moonagaming6068
      @moonagaming6068 Před 3 lety +2

      @@vuktodic1356 yeah it's war

    • @vuktodic1356
      @vuktodic1356 Před 3 lety +4

      @@moonagaming6068 that could be avoided
      Nobody asked germany to support austria in whatever the hell they were doing in balkans
      They did that so they could make a war
      Russia would back up serbia let them to deal with austria alone and then austria gets some sence knocked into them
      Let russia to grow for decade or two and you get industrialized gigantic sized country that can beat up germany
      Either way germany is a sore loser if they do not do something and that something had to happen then and there
      Russia was maybe doing poorly for some decades but by 1910 or so they were growing something like china these days
      It was german fear russia literally had 100 milion more peoples in 1914 and their population was growing faster just like economy was and they were getting industrialized
      They were predicting it good by 1930 s russia would have like population of like over 250 milion peoples their industry just like economy would be bigger than german and their army like navy would be modernized with infrastructure germany had no hope to win the war against russia after that
      Germany did not have anythint with austria and serbia only thing they worried about was french and russia growth (mainly russian) which would put them in a bad position
      They could not let russia to simply eat up austria because then germany would be alone against russia and france who would be stronger

  • @cherrykmy7336
    @cherrykmy7336 Před 4 lety +38

    I still stand with this scenario, What if Germany was broken up after world war 1?

    • @morsecode980
      @morsecode980 Před 4 lety +6

      I’m honestly surprised that didn’t happen in real life. It would seem like the logical thing to do. If not at that time then certainly after WW2.

    • @timvanrijn8239
      @timvanrijn8239 Před 4 lety +24

      Because it breaks the balance of power. France and russia would dominate the small states.
      England does not like strong empires on the continent. German or french.

    • @ReverendPrice
      @ReverendPrice Před 4 lety +6

      @@timvanrijn8239 The Romans left us with a sour taste...and now we have the European Union...Or is that the 4th Reich?

    • @cherrykmy7336
      @cherrykmy7336 Před 4 lety +3

      @@timvanrijn8239 I mean, your talking about realism here, And when it comes to Alternate history, there doesn't need to be any. I just thought it would be a fun scenario.

    • @technine967
      @technine967 Před 4 lety +6

      @@morsecode980 Just imagine you would split the USA into all of its states, don't you think it is clear that they will try to become a country again? The majority were proud to be German. After the First World War it would be likely that someone like Adolf Hitler would try to fight for reunification again.
      There would also be a risk that Germany would have continued to fight the war, because that way they would lose everything anyway. After the Second World War, it is the same situation, but you also wanted a strong trading partner against the Soviet Union. Germany clearly lost the war and there was no longer any need to split it up.
      Greetings from Germany :)

  • @coreygiesemann9743
    @coreygiesemann9743 Před 4 lety +13

    This reminds me a lot of the Southern Victory series by Harry Turtledove, an alternate history series that diverges from the American Civil War and sees events very similar to what you described here happen.

    • @JDFrank20Diaz
      @JDFrank20Diaz Před 4 měsíci +1

      That's true Only this Scenario The US is United not divided like in Turtledoves Series With the Confederate States being Allies with UK and France Russia and USA North joins the Central Powers and wins
      So it would be a Easy Win for the US since 1917 Everyone was Exhausted from War
      Think about it Hitler or his American Counterpart Jake would have never Rose to power since their Countries would have won

  • @nicolasjamo
    @nicolasjamo Před 4 lety +10

    Wilson's points were set in the context of the US joining the Entente. Wouldn't it make more sense for the US to propose different points targeted toward Britain and France?

  • @kayhen3924
    @kayhen3924 Před 4 lety +7

    I just clicked and I'm already pleased

  • @kinai01
    @kinai01 Před 3 lety +5

    One of the biggest misunderstandings of people of our time is confusing the Germany of world war I and the Germany of world war II.

  • @LyrosHazard
    @LyrosHazard Před 4 lety +6

    Oh my god can we please get a part 2 of this one

  • @MWH12085
    @MWH12085 Před 3 lety +4

    Certainly would like to see a part two
    The Empire of Japan vs. The US
    The Pacific War

    • @mynameiskev06
      @mynameiskev06 Před rokem +1

      pacific war would’ve happened regardless

  • @okman2474
    @okman2474 Před 4 lety +12

    How come every video you make would make a great Hearts of Iron IV overhaul mod, with enough worldbuilding and more parts to this scenario or ones like it, mods like kaiserreich would have nothing on your scenarios

    • @MonsieurDean
      @MonsieurDean  Před 4 lety +5

      Well thanks, pal! If you know any mod makers, I'd like to reach out to some, and make the bigger scenarios something people can play.

  • @redbluesandmoons7478
    @redbluesandmoons7478 Před 4 lety +4

    France: we have made several advances,we may stand a chance in this war!
    *Stars and stripes starts playing*
    France: aw fuck-

  • @jamesbohannon5506
    @jamesbohannon5506 Před 3 lety

    That's a frightening map there at 6:19. I love that Bismarck, ND still remains albeit with an added "C".

  • @thorshammer7883
    @thorshammer7883 Před 4 lety +13

    May I make a request?
    May you reupload your "What if Rapture from Bioshock was real" video please?
    Would you kindly?
    I can't find it anywhere anymore I believe it was deleted at some point.
    It would be nice to see it again.

  • @lilpitt4860
    @lilpitt4860 Před 4 lety +7

    You should do a mega alt history scenario like the mcu but for alt history with a bunch of different scenarios combined into one big scenario.
    Also what if barry goldwater won in 1964

  • @theodoretex1068
    @theodoretex1068 Před 4 lety +6

    What if Alexander Hamilton was never killed in the duel with Aaron Burr? And became president?

  • @dardanpeta7674
    @dardanpeta7674 Před 4 lety +1

    U might want to do a part two of this alternate history

  • @nobodyatall6620
    @nobodyatall6620 Před 4 lety +2

    For April fools or just for a fun video, you should do "What if The German Empire lost the Weltkrieg"
    Like, from the perspective of a Kaiserreich scenario of if they won, discussing a Fuherreich-like scenario of if they lost the war

  • @FelipeJaquez
    @FelipeJaquez Před rokem +3

    Simply stopping all trade going to the Entente would be a crippling enough blow to the war effort. Britain could try and blockade America which wouldn't work on a country which produced 90% of its own goods.

  • @kermitlacock5930
    @kermitlacock5930 Před 4 lety +7

    One idea I came up with involved the explosives on board the Lusitania to go off in an American port. The Germans had put out a notice in the papers that the ship wascarrying munitions and was therefore a valid target. With the explosion and evidence from any investigation made, relations with Britain would be seriously hurt. The Germans if they were smart would try to gain sympathy by pointing out that they had warned Americans of Britain's violation of their neutrality.

  • @GeneralissimusStalin17
    @GeneralissimusStalin17 Před 4 lety +4

    15:04 what I'd probably see is Britain, France and Italy going Communist together with Soviets because especially in France and Italy Communism and Socialism were widespread and popular ideas in our timeline and now with them losing the war the last thing keeping the Revolution at bay would be lost. The Revolutions would probably happen across the 1920s as Germany, America, Austria and the Ottoman Empire would partition the remaining colonies among themselves in the chaos.

  • @mathieuleader8601
    @mathieuleader8601 Před 4 lety +22

    What if Hong Kong became America's 51st state

    • @mr.k418
      @mr.k418 Před 4 lety

      Mathieu Leader YES!

    • @maninredhelm
      @maninredhelm Před 4 lety +10

      If it was that easy, Taiwan would already be the 51st state.

    • @Maulstrum97
      @Maulstrum97 Před 4 lety +2

      @@maninredhelm the only thing stopping it is the international community and congress failing to do it's job. annexation is not legal but referendum for joining other countries is legal as well as succeeding from countries by referendum .

    • @arandomlanguagenerd1869
      @arandomlanguagenerd1869 Před 4 lety +1

      @@Maulstrum97 I dont think Taiwan wants to be a state of the US

    • @hackman669
      @hackman669 Před 2 lety +1

      @@arandomlanguagenerd1869 Sure beats the other option of returning to China though. Region should stay independent.

  • @jrt818
    @jrt818 Před 4 lety +6

    In the interwar period it seems like both the US and UK's plan was for Canada to fall to the US and fight to a draw otherwise. Canada had ambitious plans of its own doomed to failure.

  • @matehavlik4559
    @matehavlik4559 Před 4 lety +5

    0:30 caption says: “The meeting of the glorious Hungarian and Bulgarian armies at Kladovo on October 27, 1915”. :D

  • @sdprz7893
    @sdprz7893 Před 4 lety +5

    Britain has dominated so much of world history that all alternative timelines basically just come down to "but what if the british lost?"

    • @Jerry-tg7zx
      @Jerry-tg7zx Před rokem +1

      So many chances to have a better future(except ww2 ofc) then lol

  • @rehanashrif8167
    @rehanashrif8167 Před 4 lety +4

    cool and awesome do "what if Austria Hungary survived after
    ww1 " I know not realistic but you did cuthulu soooooooo

  • @piperar2014
    @piperar2014 Před 4 lety +3

    How about this? Central Powers strategy is to initially fight a purely defensive war on the Western Front, allowing the British and French to sacrifice as many men against German trenches as they want, while focusing the offense against Russia in the East. Russia is defeated by before the end of 1916.
    Germany then decides any gains in the West would come at a steep price, or maybe the USA threatens to enter the war if Germany doesn't agree to peace. The war ends with a Central Powers victory over Russia and a draw in the west.
    What does the peace settlement look like? What happens the rest of the 20th century?

  • @spencerthelizard
    @spencerthelizard Před 4 lety +3

    Are we going to ignore how dope that flag is?

  • @ethandornton355
    @ethandornton355 Před rokem +1

    Great video, you should do one with Japan joining the central powers and another with Russia joining the central powers!!!

  • @gumbyshrimp2606
    @gumbyshrimp2606 Před 4 lety +1

    The better alternatehistoryhub

  • @oliverthecat193
    @oliverthecat193 Před 4 lety +6

    What if napoleon bonaparte accepted the frankfurt proposals in 1813 after the battle of Leipzig

    • @Uryendel
      @Uryendel Před 4 lety

      The coalition would have declared war three month after, as always

  • @sethmaki1333
    @sethmaki1333 Před 4 lety +4

    Oof. Imagine the battles that would result of the world's two preeminent navies. THAT would have been a sight to behold. Maybe Mahan's ideas of large fleets of battleships meeting in a decisive battle would actually have happened.

  • @RestitutorEuropa
    @RestitutorEuropa Před rokem +1

    1:33 Oh wow I was at that castle during my trip to Ukraine a few years ago. It’s called Kaminets Podilsky. I had no idea that this photograph existed or even that so many German soldiers walked down that same bridge I crossed.

  • @MichaelYule
    @MichaelYule Před 4 lety +1

    "Hi, this is Cody from Alternate History Hub!"

  • @Abu-Talha-Al-Kurdi
    @Abu-Talha-Al-Kurdi Před 4 lety +7

    For anyone wanting to straight come to the point :
    Skip to 6:30

  • @thomassmith6232
    @thomassmith6232 Před 9 měsíci +3

    Many Americans, especially those of Irish and German ancestry, were opposed to the US entering the war, especially on the side of England.

  • @myriad3049
    @myriad3049 Před 4 lety

    Epic 😎😎