What if the Communists Lost the Chinese Civil War?

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  • čas přidán 13. 06. 2019
  • Mao and his forces defeated the Nationalists in the 40s. The implications were vast for the world. But how much would China itself have really changed? Here's one scenario.
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  • @AlternateHistoryHub
    @AlternateHistoryHub  Před 5 lety +4869

    So yeah. Rome Part III is dead. Here's why. I worked on the damn idea for three months, but sometimes these things are just dead ends. czcams.com/video/3unEvQ3uKrM/video.html

    • @psychodash4244
      @psychodash4244 Před 5 lety +184

      Bruh moment right here

    • @michaelskory7188
      @michaelskory7188 Před 5 lety +237

      Well, at least you told us the truth

    • @Jonnyc448
      @Jonnyc448 Před 5 lety +97

      You should do an alternate history scenario where Communist China went to war With the Soviet Union during the Sino-Soviet split.

    • @Jonnyc448
      @Jonnyc448 Před 5 lety +13

      @Josef Stalin Prepare the Katushas, China’s on their way!

    • @chaosmorris5865
      @chaosmorris5865 Před 5 lety +36

      I'm the guy who suggested if Brennus Sacked Rome, I've got more Alt history ideas for you.
      What if the Mongols discovered America by going through Russia into Alaska?
      What if the Rurikids stayed true to Rurik's original goal and never adopted Slavic culture and religion instead trying to Germanify the region and establish an Eastern Norse realm?
      What if the British Celts defeated the Anglo Saxons?
      What if Atilla the Hun didn't die early?

  • @thorkell2985
    @thorkell2985 Před 4 lety +13875

    Kim Jong Un would work at McDonald's in Pyongyang

  • @tomasz6871
    @tomasz6871 Před 3 lety +5256

    If this happened in real life and someone made a video „What if Communists won the Chinese Civil War” everyone would call it unrealistic

    • @looinrims
      @looinrims Před 3 lety +587

      Yeah because the commies lucked out with japan conducting one of the largest offensives in the Second World War that absolutely shattered nationalist China

    • @satellite_is4994
      @satellite_is4994 Před 3 lety +289

      Oh boy I hope they include the part where they have a virus outbreak and decided to hide it with the WHO.

    • @obijuanquenobi1911
      @obijuanquenobi1911 Před 3 lety +224

      @@looinrims Agreed. Honestly, I think if Japan never invaded China or inflicted heavy casualties, the Communists would have lost

    • @looinrims
      @looinrims Před 3 lety +30

      @@obijuanquenobi1911 it’s not even the invasion in general although that helped, what I referenced was Japan’s Operation Ichigo (‘First’? Something like that), I point you to Military History Not Visualized’s video on it (search Japans Largest Offensive in WW2 that you’ve never heard of), basically Japan having lost a significant amount of both its military and merchant navy wanted a land route to their holdings in indochina for their resources, of course theres this big China thing in the way, so what did they do? They fucking killed it, absolutely obliterated the nationalist army, the IJA must’ve stepped on a Lego just then because they wasn’t happy, that’s probably the moment the nationalists lost all hope of defeating the commies (that and the whole Manchuria thing), because they had no one left to fight with (essentially)

    • @British_navy
      @British_navy Před 3 lety +10

      @@looinrims laughs in Barbarossa.

  • @user-wh5se3cb2y
    @user-wh5se3cb2y Před 2 lety +1095

    10:44
    “But gradually shifts to democracy”
    *Shows russian elections*
    That’s the humor right here

    • @marveyzing1495
      @marveyzing1495 Před 2 lety +43

      never change russia never change

    • @mayonnaiseluther1568
      @mayonnaiseluther1568 Před 2 lety

      @Ethaniel Lim oligarchs dont exist. They're just..... REALLY GOOD FREINDS.......

    • @MedsieLovr
      @MedsieLovr Před 2 lety

      Democracy is shit

    • @NeostormXLMAX
      @NeostormXLMAX Před rokem +7

      the usa isn't a democracy ether lmao,

    • @ElPolloLoco7689
      @ElPolloLoco7689 Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@NeostormXLMAX I don't see them mentioning the USA anywhere, not mentioning that they're american. Maybe I'm just blind then

  • @Daniel-rh7kh
    @Daniel-rh7kh Před 3 lety +2800

    China had three "great" options, authoritarianism under the KMT, authoritarianism under the Emperor, authoritarianism under the communists, wonderful

    • @Dianasaurthemelonlord7777
      @Dianasaurthemelonlord7777 Před 2 lety +127

      The first 2 aren't all that bad... I'm kidding

    • @barongaal2
      @barongaal2 Před 2 lety +95

      Stop demonizing autocracy. Democracy is not the only working system on Earth.

    • @octopustigerfish778
      @octopustigerfish778 Před 2 lety +35

      @@barongaal2 Democracy doesn't work. Autocracy, theocracy and fascism are way better systems

    • @mannhouse8014
      @mannhouse8014 Před 2 lety +165

      @@octopustigerfish778 the "1000" year Reich would like to disagree with you.

    • @robespierre2837
      @robespierre2837 Před 2 lety +71

      @@mannhouse8014 nazism is different from fascism

  • @radioman7777
    @radioman7777 Před 4 lety +4765

    Animation 101 teacher: here’s how to symbolize a character dying, *turns upside down and sets them on fire* perfect!

  • @TheGreatCooLite
    @TheGreatCooLite Před 5 lety +15862

    Nothing would change about June 5, 1989 because nothing happened on that date in our timeline anyway

    • @ionocinneide617
      @ionocinneide617 Před 5 lety +856

      Correct

    • @aurorias5312
      @aurorias5312 Před 5 lety +1498

      Tank inspection day

    • @honkamania1174
      @honkamania1174 Před 5 lety +964

      I’m about to end these Chinese people on this video
      动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution

    • @9SS94Cr
      @9SS94Cr Před 5 lety +530

      @@honkamania1174I can't say for younger generations, but I grew up in the 90s and I know all of these fairly well before I went to California for uni. These things are regulated in China in the same way as porns: officially taboo to talk about on the table, but everyone knows and have their own opinions about them.

    • @Rishi123456789
      @Rishi123456789 Před 5 lety +428

      **laughs in Winnie The Pooh**

  • @woodrosecreations5825
    @woodrosecreations5825 Před 2 lety +181

    One thing to add: The Kuomintang was NOTORIOUSLY corrupt. That's largely the reason the communits were able to gather a foothold among the people in the first place. There's no reason to think that a Kuomintang victorious over the communists would be any different. Perhaps, fearing another uprising, they'd add even more brutality to that corruption. I think that really affects the outcome of this sort of timeline.

    • @coriakacoron5851
      @coriakacoron5851 Před 8 měsíci +9

      alas, the dragon slayer ends up being the next dragon

    • @richardlew3667
      @richardlew3667 Před 2 měsíci +4

      This was the same case for South Korea. One has to wonder if China would have eventually prospered like South Korea and Taiwan.

    • @TFRO_madRobots
      @TFRO_madRobots Před 2 měsíci

      @@richardlew3667 ever wondered why these prosperous east asian countries are really only that small? Really can't assume that what works in these countries can be replicated in the mainland

    • @jixuanwu4009
      @jixuanwu4009 Před měsícem

      @@coriakacoron5851 lamo how is the ccp a dragon

  • @oooopu4600
    @oooopu4600 Před 2 lety +247

    My great-grandfathers were NRA soldiers who fought for the Nationalists. They fought in the civil war. Great-grandpa on mom’s side, a stretcher-bearer, was at Jinan, the first of the “three great battles”. The commander of the outer defense, Wu Huawen, defected to the communists with 20,000 men. Great Grandpa broke out of the encirclement with his platoon leader and some others and vanished in the night. When Chiang Kai Shek escaped to Taiwan, my grandpa’s name wasn’t on the roster.

    • @hrub
      @hrub Před rokem +1

      That's interesting, do you know what happened to him?

    • @lawrance6540
      @lawrance6540 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @@hrub he died. with no child left under his name. RIP

    • @firemangan
      @firemangan Před měsícem

      @@lawrance6540 🥱 yeah ha ha 😑

  • @EmperorTigerstar
    @EmperorTigerstar Před 5 lety +7389

    That Korean War animation was pretty cool. The guy who made it must be awesome.

  • @lukebaker5135
    @lukebaker5135 Před 5 lety +2779

    Modern China: “I am inevitable”

    • @georgeghleung
      @georgeghleung Před 5 lety +162

      @LUNAR BLOODDROP Didn't watch Endgame, did you?
      I will fix it for you:
      America: "And I am... America."

    • @fetitovolador8147
      @fetitovolador8147 Před 5 lety +73

      @@georgeghleung putin: and i am the defender of the motherland
      *snaps*

    • @arkhamsquire4503
      @arkhamsquire4503 Před 5 lety +34

      @@fetitovolador8147 russian national anthem intensifies

    • @rshua
      @rshua Před 5 lety +83

      Modern China: “I am inevitable”
      America: “And I’m America”
      That actually sounds pretty cool and somewhat accurate

    • @GohanLSSJ2
      @GohanLSSJ2 Před 5 lety +4

      Nick Land was right... Neo-China is coming!

  • @mandalorianmandalor389
    @mandalorianmandalor389 Před rokem +146

    An important aspect that was overlooked here is that Mao had already begun to destroy the feudal structures during the civil war. This approach secured him the support of the rural population. At that time, 90% of the population were tenant farmers who worked on the lands of a few but enormously wealthy large landowners. Many farmers lived in debt slavery for generations. The Kuomintang, on the other hand, was financially dependent on this powerful gentry. However, the abolition of feudal structures is an important prerequisite for an industrialization process. It is questionable whether the Kuomintang could implement such a complex reform (it is actually a transformation) in such a large country. It is more likely that the gentry would have tried by all means to maintain their power and privileges. Under these conditions, civil wars and the country could be divided up again among local warlords. One must also not forget that the Soviet Union was always interested in weakening China and would certainly have interfered in the internal conflicts. The country would not have settled down for a long time and modernization would certainly not have started sooner

    • @joshval6745
      @joshval6745 Před rokem +4

      Good insights!

    • @neo7930
      @neo7930 Před rokem +2

      good point

    • @MakeVarahHappen
      @MakeVarahHappen Před rokem +8

      It is wild he does not mention Russia's influence on China at all here.

    • @coriakacoron5851
      @coriakacoron5851 Před 8 měsíci +11

      and this is why ccp always boast that they had the favour of 'the majority' back then and thus they won
      peasants were indeed the majority of the population in china, and kmt didn't leave an exactly good impression on them

    • @user-rh2ov6ny2f
      @user-rh2ov6ny2f Před 6 měsíci +1

      确实,🇨🇳在初期和中期,俄罗斯的影响不可不提

  • @lukexu6400
    @lukexu6400 Před 2 lety +139

    Fun fact: the MLK Memorial in Washington D.C. at 7:46 was actually designed by a Chinese sculptor Lei Yixin, who had also designed some of Mao's statues

    • @480JD
      @480JD Před 2 lety +13

      The Left, BLM, Antifa et al just can't get away from socialist imagery and aesthetics.

    • @480JD
      @480JD Před 2 lety +2

      @Freedom AGS imagine thinking you're not racist because you hate White Europeans.

    • @480JD
      @480JD Před 2 lety +8

      @Freedom AGS "racism" is only bad when its White Europeans looking out for the future of their race, nation, kids, society, morals, values, etc... everyone else its ok for them to show in group preference.

    • @anilissimo
      @anilissimo Před 2 lety +20

      @@480JD Go outside man

    • @480JD
      @480JD Před 2 lety +7

      @@anilissimo anime profile picture, opinion discarded.

  • @BifronsCandle
    @BifronsCandle Před 3 lety +5080

    Mao: Left-Wing Authoritarianism with sham democracy
    Chiang: Right-Wing Authoritarianism with sham democracy
    Sun Yat-Sen: *Spins in coffin regardless*

    • @joshdot9244
      @joshdot9244 Před 3 lety +572

      the shame is if sun yat sen was alive for a little longer, he'd probably be forced to pick a side despite being the one thing that tied the ccp and kmt together in one party and becomes less of a heralded figure today.
      Ill still hang the five color flag though

    • @nftplay
      @nftplay Před 3 lety +28

      Top comment PLEASE

    • @bjack8315
      @bjack8315 Před 3 lety +77

      Mao was totalitarian/AKA: authoritarianism + cult to personality

    • @BifronsCandle
      @BifronsCandle Před 3 lety +283

      @@bjack8315 Chiang built up his own cult of personality on Taiwan (which was forced on the natives), in spite of the claims that he supposedly hated cults of personality.

    • @user-yj9lj5qx8u
      @user-yj9lj5qx8u Před 3 lety +5

      Hahahahahaha Hahahahahaha o yeah.

  • @j4xxonl
    @j4xxonl Před 4 lety +2051

    Title: "What if the Communists Lost the Chinese Civil War?"
    America: *yes*

    • @Hopeofmen
      @Hopeofmen Před 3 lety +33

      Yes

    • @1mol831
      @1mol831 Před 3 lety +83

      Maybe it would be worst possibly for the United States, with greater economic power up to twice the size of US due to the early development.

    • @xiaoyang5700
      @xiaoyang5700 Před 3 lety +31

      @@1mol831 why not to be another India??

    • @alexanderballa6152
      @alexanderballa6152 Před 3 lety +16

      @@1mol831 so china is bigger and more scary?

    • @tankman1320
      @tankman1320 Před 3 lety +4

      @@1mol831 lol,no.

  • @Lyendith
    @Lyendith Před 2 lety +209

    I wouldn’t be so sure about the "at least there wouldn’t have been a famine" part… Mao’s famine is so infamous that people forget the Republic of China also had several famines with millions of deaths. Without massive foreign help, another famine after the war would have been hard to avoid, communism or not.

    • @VMVXMK2
      @VMVXMK2 Před 2 lety +74

      Mao’s famine is manmade, totally avoidable. Any leader with a functioning brain would not keep exporting large amount of food to other nation when they are having a famine.

    • @JackHankeAnd
      @JackHankeAnd Před 2 lety +19

      @@VMVXMK2 Stalin did. So did Ireland under British rule. I suspect that you're right, the famine wouldn't have happened, but sadly it's not inconceivable.

    • @Alex.af.Nordheim
      @Alex.af.Nordheim Před 2 lety

      the thing is, with kmt in power and anti-soviet, the west would give China massive foreign aids just to keep them that way, similar to how America give Kiang shit ton of stuff to keep them fight mao

    • @crep1544
      @crep1544 Před rokem

      @@VMVXMK2 The nationalist part is known for great corruption and instability within government, part of the main reason why the people of China turned on them, so government corruption causing an uneven distribution of resources is not too big a stretch

    • @user-huazhaojie
      @user-huazhaojie Před rokem +14

      共產黨造成的饑荒是人為的,是既沒有戰爭也沒有自然災害的情況下,出現了規模空前的饑荒!而中國歷史上的饑荒大多有戰爭和自然災害的因素,而且規模也沒這麼大!抗日戰爭裡死的人數都沒有共產黨餓死的人多

  • @Ray-kl1mf
    @Ray-kl1mf Před 2 lety +25

    if the KMT lost one or even ten cities, we can say it was bad luck, but when they lost the whole China, I would say from the probability perspective, it had nothing to do with luck

    • @boblaryson3621
      @boblaryson3621 Před 2 lety +1

      I'd you mean during the war with Japan it isn't that unexpected. China had decades of Civil War, the KMT army had a few tens of thousands of good quality troops and hundreds of thousands of absolute garbage troops. Compared to Japan with an efficient mobilization of millions of conscripts.

    • @jrt7357
      @jrt7357 Před 2 lety +6

      It's not like China had the time to prepare for war or to industrialize. After decades of Civil War and the warlord Era, all China could really do against an industrial and war ready Japan was throw corpses at them. And, to their credit, the KMT never surrendered to the Japanese even after losing their capital and their most important territories.

  • @sampatterson8986
    @sampatterson8986 Před 5 lety +715

    CZcams demonitisation: "You had me at Communists"

    • @edwinmizen8330
      @edwinmizen8330 Před 5 lety +8

      Get out Green iSorrows man

    • @ls200076
      @ls200076 Před 5 lety +9

      @Agnostic Imperialist Ultra Nationalist Communist countries don't like gay people. Capitalistic countries do.

    • @TheLolo099
      @TheLolo099 Před 5 lety

      You have to be part of the party to gain access to the market. It is the only just way, Comrade Patterson.

    • @davidulanovsky8943
      @davidulanovsky8943 Před 5 lety +1

      elektron117 Is that right, what country first decriminalised homosexuality again?

    • @ImmaDBZvillan
      @ImmaDBZvillan Před 5 lety +7

      Agnostic Imperialist Ultra Nationalist imagine actually using triple parentheses, nice crypto-larping dork

  • @AnTeaVirus
    @AnTeaVirus Před 5 lety +2517

    Cody: "...but gradually shifts to a democracy."
    Also Cody: *shows russian elections*

    • @Ake-TL
      @Ake-TL Před 5 lety +91

      irony, intended pan ?

    • @juliansenfr
      @juliansenfr Před 5 lety +184

      Well he ain't wrong. Russia is a 'democracy', they do have a 'divine' leader that somehow maintained a 90% approval rating for decades, and definitely without manipulation of any sort on the voting population. DEMOCRACY amirite

    • @drunkenslav2334
      @drunkenslav2334 Před 5 lety +9

      @@juliansenfr i kinda like putin tho, he"s a strong leader, just what we need

    • @samiraperi467
      @samiraperi467 Před 5 lety +88

      @@drunkenslav2334 No, no you don't. It may be what you *want*.

    • @paulgleason1
      @paulgleason1 Před 5 lety +1

      The youtube picture

  • @Louisianaball-fn6ij
    @Louisianaball-fn6ij Před měsícem +4

    Saying the Chinese Civil War never ended is like saying the USSR won the winter war.

  • @Siris101
    @Siris101 Před rokem +14

    One BIG, change. China would not have nukes. Since they only developed them with help from the USSR.
    And that is the difference

    • @WDI2008
      @WDI2008 Před měsícem

      China still probably would have developed nuclear weapons with help from the US and the UK instead.

  • @grenadasparta
    @grenadasparta Před 4 lety +5334

    I actually have a personal connection to this "What If".
    My grandfather was actually a Nationalist Colonel during the Chinese Civil War and World War II. If this "What If" happened, my grandfather would have become a General by the 80s. In our timeline, all commissioned Nationalist officers who fled to Taiwan were eventually promoted to General for their war efforts. Sadly, my grandfather fled to Vietnam instead and died there. In this "What If", my grandfather would have remained in China and become a General there and would have lived a much better life there.
    Speaking of Vietnam, my grandfather would never have found the need to flee to Vietnam after the Chinese Civil War, and instead he would have raised his family in China. That would also mean that I would be born in China instead of Canada: with no Vietnam War to worry about, my family would have found no need to flee the continent and therefore would not have immigrated to Canada. I would never have become a Canadian and I would likely have never known a life in the Western world.
    It really puts into perspective how world events can change one's life. I really appreciate this "What If": excellently done.

    • @jsc5753
      @jsc5753 Před 4 lety +290

      You do have a long family history

    • @eggheadegghead
      @eggheadegghead Před 4 lety +219

      It is just life, nothing you can do about it! Be honest, had you grandpa remained in China, you are probably one of the elites now,. However, reality is your grandpa made decision to leave.

    • @matthewlee8667
      @matthewlee8667 Před 4 lety +123

      I understand. My grandparents also left China after the communist take over and fled to Canada where my family lives and was raised.

    • @user-kr4jn1ju8g
      @user-kr4jn1ju8g Před 4 lety +29

      Come back home often. You will feel at home.

    • @grenadasparta
      @grenadasparta Před 4 lety +158

      @@eggheadegghead I agree. Interestingly though, I'm actually happy my grandpa made the decision to leave. He would have been executed by the Communists, and I wouldn't have existed. Plus, I'm pretty satisfied with my life in Canada and wouldn't really want it to change any other way. Living as a part of the elite sounds great, but if I lived the life of an elite in China or in any other country (including Canada), I wouldn't have had the same opportunities to grow and develop as I do now.

  • @edward658
    @edward658 Před 4 lety +963

    Can we please take a moment to appreciate the soft jazz in the background while he talks about death and destruction.

  • @gwho
    @gwho Před 2 lety +3

    Nice touch with the calming jazz background

  • @thelordgamer8707
    @thelordgamer8707 Před 2 lety

    Your animation keeps getting better

  • @StarSage66
    @StarSage66 Před 5 lety +469

    "That's some nice ad revenue you've got there Cody. It'd be a shame if something *happened* to it..."

  • @Romulus996
    @Romulus996 Před 5 lety +1613

    Mao:
    Strength: 1
    Perception: 1
    Endurance: 2
    Charisma: 10
    Intelligence: 1
    Agility: 1
    Luck: 10000000000
    1 Month Later: People still start arguments over a joke. Society has gone too soft for comedy.

    • @joseantonioamayaalvarado6744
      @joseantonioamayaalvarado6744 Před 5 lety +249

      Chiang Kai Shek
      Strength: 50
      Perception: 35
      Endurance: 40
      Charisma: 15
      Intelligence: 60
      Agility: 28
      Luck: -1000000

    • @mitchypdx
      @mitchypdx Před 5 lety +7

      What trait perks would they start with?

    • @RandomPerson-jo7cw
      @RandomPerson-jo7cw Před 5 lety +158

      Who would win
      Lmao Zedong
      Chiang Kai Shrek

    • @davidulanovsky8943
      @davidulanovsky8943 Před 5 lety +67

      Brad Hill Rich capitalist:
      Strength:1
      Perception:1
      Endurance:1
      Charisma:1
      Intelligence:1
      Agility:1
      Luck:1
      Ability to steal the fruits of workers labour: 1000000000000

    • @dickenstham5075
      @dickenstham5075 Před 5 lety +21

      @@joseantonioamayaalvarado6744 >saying Chiang is smart

  • @ivandinsmore6217
    @ivandinsmore6217 Před 2 lety +1

    Great video. Very interesting.

  • @bibekdas7449
    @bibekdas7449 Před rokem

    Wow
    Thanks for the knowledge!

  • @gipsydanger7379
    @gipsydanger7379 Před 5 lety +721

    I've requested this a thousand times! Thank you so much :)

  • @Janboier
    @Janboier Před 4 lety +1327

    If China was no communist it would probably have a pretty serious border dispute with Russia/the Soviets. After the revolution, the Soviets helped china find it footing, part of the deal was defining the border between the two. It has not been disputed since, even the Sino Russian relationship turned sour.

    • @user-uq1wq2mz2q
      @user-uq1wq2mz2q Před 4 lety +14

      China has its own system. The dictatorship and democracy that you are talking about are different. . . It is the only civilized system on the planet that has not been severed. Its text thousands of years ago can still be recognized.

    • @user-jq6mw2dj3h
      @user-jq6mw2dj3h Před 4 lety +105

      nope it was still disputed
      en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict
      Imagine Chiang kaishek demanding all 1 million square km of qing land back

    • @peachtpm2528
      @peachtpm2528 Před 4 lety +27

      Actually the USSR supported both the KMT and the CCP back then.

    • @guobaorou4557
      @guobaorou4557 Před 4 lety +41

      China and the Soviets already had border disputes in our time, after the Sino Soviet split relations soured and there were clashes at the border

    • @shockwave2291
      @shockwave2291 Před 4 lety +30

      I don't think it would be a major issue, Cold War standoffs not withstanding. Stalin actually wanted the KMT to stay in power right up until 1949 because he didn't support Maoism (which we later saw firsthand in the Sino-Soviet split).

  • @admiralrogers1157
    @admiralrogers1157 Před 2 lety +14

    I think that the authoritarianism would die out around the same time as Taiwan if not sooner. In Sun’s later years he became increasingly pessimistic and so changed the KMT’s goals. The idea was that China wasn’t ready for democracy, at least not yet so a temporary one party dictatorship would be established while the people were educated on how democracy works. Then gradually, opposition parties would be allowed into the government, and finally Democratization. The KMT was authoritarian because that was part of the plan. I would argue that the reason Chiang stayed around so long is because they lost the civil war. It threw a wrench into everything. At that point, they just needed to survive. Democracy isn’t really a priority when your only objective is survival.

    • @sungod1384
      @sungod1384 Před 2 lety +2

      I mean rechnically china is democratic. Does having multiple parties really mean one is democratic? Since we are talking china lets use a party memeber. I remember one saying "constitutional governance asserts that power lies in the people, and implements a parliamentary democratic political system. But the real operation of parliamentary democracies is completely grasped in the hands of the bourgeoisie." Members of parliament (or officials in general) are able to contest elections (and win them) only with the support of the bourgeoisie." In essence under liberal democracies you have multiple parties that are bought and funded by capitalists. When popular policy goes against big buisness interests they are shot down. Housing, food, price stabilizations, wage increases all things that are presented in china. From 1970s to now chinese wages rose up drastically. Compared to the usa it has stagnated. China has eliminated abject poverty(its still poor as its a 3rd world country). And it has low hunger rate for a 3rd world country. ranging from 2 percent and 9 percent. While the usa has like 15 percent. China has a 90 percent homeownership rate due to maos land reform. These are things that our democracy yhave failed because parties are owned by corporations.
      Secondly we can say china undemocratic but its more similar to usa democracy. its a republic. People vote in local lower level politicians who then vote and appoint people in power. So they dont vote in presidents directly but they do vote. Its kinda like how we do it with our supreme justice. Which is kinda undemocratic but i dont think anyone would consider the usa not a democracy. All laws are not voted in by us but by politicians we elect. They either say yes or abstain. And in china unlike the usa they can recall their congress members while we cannot. So in ways its democratic and in others it isnt.
      Lastly i think mao won because he really did have the pesants on his side. What did he do when he got power? Education, healthcare, He got pesants to kill their landlords and take control over their own land. Got rid of cultural backwardness like banditry and sex slavery and foot binding. It was a feudal society and mao for all of his atrocities was better than the kmt. Im haitian and we all like Jean Jacques Dessalines because he got rid of slavery even if he was an emperor.

    • @krichenboi
      @krichenboi Před rokem +3

      @@sungod1384 the democratic part really depends on who you are asking
      Asking USA? China dictatorship (idk the exact reason but I guess it’s one party state and party power>country power and people really don’t matter in votes)
      Asking China? China democratic (and USA would be a money-controlled state which is actually not democratic in their eyes) (and Chairmans like Xi Jinping are just „representatives“ of the interests of the people)
      But you are right, it does have some similarity with the democracy like the us, just that Chinese votes are actually by starting in a random neighborhood and then going 1 stage up until all province representatives vote for one chairman

    • @krichenboi
      @krichenboi Před rokem +1

      @@sungod1384 and man you have written a whole novel for this

  • @zank8470
    @zank8470 Před 2 lety +7

    I have destroyed my social credits by watching this, my final message is **radio message turns into static**

  • @walnzell9328
    @walnzell9328 Před 4 lety +3187

    "If Nationalist China did rise, we'd see fewer of these state owned companies."
    Nationalist China: **Laughs in Russian Federation style nationalized industry**

    • @user-ul1bh2ym7c
      @user-ul1bh2ym7c Před 4 lety +11

      WALN Zell maybe

    • @kulturbanause9228
      @kulturbanause9228 Před 4 lety +152

      You're absolutely correct. Republic of China would also use some elements of government-lead economy, but they wouldn't be granted this Communist-China bonus which they got by western countries in our timeline.
      They would have faced the same restrictions and measures which all capitalist nations face, caused by competition.

    • @walnzell9328
      @walnzell9328 Před 4 lety +27

      ​@@kulturbanause9228 I suppose the labour wouldn't be as cheap. Meaning less jobs going overseas.

    • @poptartmallshart5323
      @poptartmallshart5323 Před 4 lety +58

      Russia only operates that way because they filled the power void of totalitarian communist culture with black market criminal underground mafia culture, which is a biproduct of regimes like the USSR.
      without Mao, Chinese denizens never have to live under the constant threat of being sent to the gulag for overdue library books or social credit systems that oust them from a livable society.
      No democracy doesn't mean no prosperity, contrary to Cody's video. Hans Herman Hoppe points out the aniquities of democracy to monarchy and even Jean Jacque Rousseau, himself only advocated for democracy on a small scale.
      Safe to say, China may have actually been better off than the west in a lot of ways and probably more avert to corporatism and crony capitalism like what purveyed in the west and what had brought China down to begin with with the arrival of corporatists from the UK, Portugal and the US

    • @marcoswang5034
      @marcoswang5034 Před 4 lety +3

      What if the North lost the American Civil War

  • @thomasturner6980
    @thomasturner6980 Před 5 lety +430

    The video was published 30 seconds ago and already has 0 ads on

  • @bekahbuggy9688
    @bekahbuggy9688 Před rokem +11

    Video Idea: What if Napoleon wasn’t stopped at Waterloo? What if Napoleon won Waterloo? What would he have done when he won? Napoleon is my favorite historical character so I just really need to know. Thank you!

    • @grafvonscyth2928
      @grafvonscyth2928 Před měsícem

      I know this isn't the answer you were looking for, but if he won at Waterloo he'd just have to fight again on another battle which he would lose.
      France at the end of the Napoleonic wars was just weak and tired.
      Remember Napoleon was NOT captured at Waterloo, he escaped.
      So why did he not raise another army and try again? France just wasn't up to it. The coalition was too much more powerful by then.

  • @redstonehero7944
    @redstonehero7944 Před rokem +12

    Another point of divergence that would likely result in a nationalist victory is to prevent the transfer of Manchuria to communist China. Maybe Japan was nukes earlier. Maybe the Soviets had a slightly worse time against Germany. But something happens that results in Manchuria not being occupied by the Soviets, and instead become a third power or neutral faction under the emperor.
    A huge part of the ensuing civil war post WW2 happened because of the intact industrial region of Manchuria, and it’s abundant steel resources. Nationalist China after WW2 had lost a lot of their industrial capacity due to the war and were severely lacking equipment. Equipment that the communist could now produce with the help of Manchu industry. Despite this, the nationalists still pushed quite far into Manchu before equipment caught up and they were beaten back.
    Without Manchu, there would still be no chance the communists could win the civil war.

  • @kylin3197
    @kylin3197 Před 3 lety +1902

    "If when I die, I am still a dictator, I will certainly go down into the oblivion of all dictators. If, on the other hand, I succeed in establishing a truly stable foundation for a democratic government, I will live forever in every home in China." *Chiang Kai-shek*

    • @gnom98
      @gnom98 Před 3 lety +465

      Well I guess he died a dictator.

    • @burhan446
      @burhan446 Před 3 lety +174

      I feel like this can apply to ataturk

    • @deelightfullp
      @deelightfullp Před 3 lety +189

      @@burhan446 well he and sun had a similar idea, create a one party state and then shift to democracy

    • @averagegameenjoyer4156
      @averagegameenjoyer4156 Před 2 lety +50

      @@deelightfullp and destroy the Ottoman Empire

    • @deelightfullp
      @deelightfullp Před 2 lety +21

      @@averagegameenjoyer4156 /qing

  • @thePeterandByron
    @thePeterandByron Před 5 lety +2763

    150 POINTS HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM YOUR SOCIAL CREDIT SCORE

  • @ZackarySchejbalCODBO2RGM2

    Worst part is: Todd Howard would've never made Fallout

  • @Daniel-rh7kh
    @Daniel-rh7kh Před 3 lety +48

    China under the KMT would look like more like today's Russia, a "democracy" with market economy aspects, in summary an authoritarian mixed economy.
    Don't take for given that what happened to Taiwan would happen in mainland China, it is one thing to manage and organize an island, it is another to do the same in the complex, populous and heterogeneous nation that China is.

    • @marveyzing1495
      @marveyzing1495 Před 2 lety +2

      so basically china now authoritarian mixed economy right?

    • @RealNotOrrio
      @RealNotOrrio Před 2 lety +4

      @@marveyzing1495 modern day tai wan is a full democracy so i think i would become a democracy as well

    • @captainhook155
      @captainhook155 Před 2 lety

      Nationalism is based and you are gay

    • @quoccuongtran724
      @quoccuongtran724 Před rokem

      @@RealNotOrrio dude, you are one whole democracy ?
      joke aside, taiwan only adopt american-style democracy & political transparency out of convenience
      at best a nationalist china would become like south korea or japan - it has democracy & political transparency on the surface, but ultimately a dominant party state with a bureaucracy that nobody knows how messed up it is under the surface (mainly because journalists choosing silence by themselves to avoid hassle)
      for example, a south korean president was found to be controlled by a cult

  • @omeg999
    @omeg999 Před 4 lety +1821

    Then North Korea wouldn't exist anymore.
    Edit: Any newcomers to this hellhole of a reply section: Ignore the guy with the symbols as his username. It'll help your mental stability.

    • @starman275
      @starman275 Před 4 lety +45

      Not really, it's just would be a facisst country.

    • @abbfilmann3735
      @abbfilmann3735 Před 4 lety +175

      @@starman275 Contemporary South Korea isn't fascist, assuming North Korea is destroyed in 1950 and taken over by South Korea

    • @EVOPE
      @EVOPE Před 4 lety +108

      shuai pan filthy American intervention? You act like North Korea wasn’t being totally propped up by the Soviets and Chinese. My apologies, but we weren’t just going to sit back while our allies got invaded by cultist dictators. We also had to think about the threat it posed to Japan if Korea totally fell.

    • @hotelpan
      @hotelpan Před 4 lety +6

      @@EVOPE haha, your ally like banning export medical supplies to Canada?
      Learn this: Support a side in a foreign civil war is a tricky diplomatic thing, but direct intervention is totally another level of invasion. This is how international politics worked.
      If u are so lack of Korean history, let me tell u sth: General Kim of the north were fighting the Japanese for decades before the independence meanwhile Dr. Lee of the south were serving as a veteran in the Japanese government. Before the civil war Dr. Lee assassinated the previous south Koren nationalist leader Mr. Kim.
      The USA, supported a formal Japanese gov official who become the south leader by assassination.
      General Kim or Dr. Lee, who do u support if u were a hungry Korean civilian???
      Learn more facts before talks, or looks like an illiterate guy.

    • @EVOPE
      @EVOPE Před 4 lety +59

      shuai pan well we’re not going to support the guy who supports fighting the Japanese. Had the entire Korean Peninsula fell that could’ve served as a launch pad for the Soviets to spread Stalinism to Japan. Again, you’re acting like Kim wasn’t also being supported by foreign powers. Neither side in the Korean War was acting solely in the interests of the Korean people, or really acting in their interests at all. We just happened to back the side that wasn’t threatening us or our allies.
      Also, if you want to bring up leaders taking out rivals in order to assume power, then boy do I have quite the story on General Kim to sell you.

  • @britishemperor9325
    @britishemperor9325 Před 5 lety +1334

    0:17 "The 20th century probably changed no country more than China."
    UK: gains 1/4 for the world
    also UK: looses 1/4 of the world in less than 50 years

    • @yin6287
      @yin6287 Před 5 lety +14

      Lmao so true

    • @christianweibrecht6555
      @christianweibrecht6555 Před 5 lety +60

      @Αγαπη Laird thanks to it's empire Britain won the world wars due to having a massive manpower, strategic, and resource advantage
      English is the lingra franca for international relations
      And they still have massive influence over fromer colonies, "only reason anyone buys British guns"

    • @CaliCurmudgeon
      @CaliCurmudgeon Před 5 lety +13

      Arguably, most of that Empire was gained in the 18th and 19th centuries.

    • @britishemperor9325
      @britishemperor9325 Před 5 lety +6

      @@CaliCurmudgeon ik but the 20 century was when UK lost nearly all of its empire, besides some islands

    • @nelsoncheng2674
      @nelsoncheng2674 Před 4 lety +10

      @No Name English is the most spoken language at the moment is partly due to the widespread of English colonies.

  • @deanzaZZR
    @deanzaZZR Před rokem +9

    One interesting point in this alternative timeline is the Nationalist government claim to (Outer) Mongolia as well as the Paracel and Spratly Islands. Nationalist China did invent the infamous Nine Dash Line.

  • @Rebel_Railroad_Productions

    @AlternateHistoryHub Loved the reference to that 80s classic 99 Luftballons by Nena. I love that song.

  • @Longshanks1690
    @Longshanks1690 Před 5 lety +446

    Then maybe something would actually have happened on the 4th June 1989 in Tiananmen Square, since we know nothing happened in Super Happy Fun Time Square under Communist rule.

    • @Vault_69
      @Vault_69 Před 5 lety +63

      Of course something happened, it was tank inspection day

    • @mohameda.4851
      @mohameda.4851 Před 5 lety +1

      change your name to Lord of Whales!

    • @HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva
      @HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva Před 5 lety +31

      The man with the groceries just wanted to ask the nice man who was leading the parade which way was the nearest supermarket, and he was so friendly to tell him.
      What a great and helpful man that tank driver, who is part of the Communist Party of China, was. :)

    • @raptorcell6633
      @raptorcell6633 Před 5 lety +6

      NOTHING WHAT SO EVER, Hey Chinese Spy? Can i have my family back?

    • @Skidouche
      @Skidouche Před 5 lety

      @@The_Gerry_Man *nothing bad

  • @walnzell9328
    @walnzell9328 Před 4 lety +1064

    Nationalists: **Defeat the PRC** We won. We have shown we are the true China! None are left standing against us!
    All the warlord states still sitting there: **Visible confusion.**

    • @Sr_Cozy
      @Sr_Cozy Před 4 lety +59

      Also Nationalist army
      200000 unit are ready , with a million on its way

    • @RomanBelisarius
      @RomanBelisarius Před 4 lety +27

      *CPC, it was still the CPC and PLA, not yet the PRC.
      Northern Expedition followed by Central Plains War would destroy all those warlord states save for those loyal to the KMT like Ma Bufang's Xinjiang. Goes down similar to our timeline.

    • @frankun8755
      @frankun8755 Před 4 lety +18

      @@Sr_Cozy Not possible at all... After WWII, the economy of the ROC has already heavily broken, apart from the beginning of the Civil War, the ROC government indeed need to force its citizens to go to battlefield to fight the CCP amry, that's also one of the reason why so many ROC soldiers surrender to the CCP during the war.

    • @user-pr9vi4ze4j
      @user-pr9vi4ze4j Před 4 lety +4

      只是看着你们讽刺又拿中国没办法的样子真搞笑

    • @zitloeng8713
      @zitloeng8713 Před 4 lety +5

      @@user-pr9vi4ze4j 明明被讽刺最多的是kmt……

  • @pbibbles
    @pbibbles Před 2 lety +4

    Do you think Chiang and Mao became friends in Hell? Like Grumpy Old Men, constantly bickering, but no one comes between them.

    • @grafvonscyth2928
      @grafvonscyth2928 Před měsícem

      The Alternate history HOI4 mod TNO: The last days of Europe sees Mao and Chiang dying together in the battle of Chongqing against the Japanese.
      "I never thought I'd die fighting side by side with a communist..."
      "How about side by side with a Chinese man?"
      "Aye... I could do that..."

  • @AlexLee-dc2vb
    @AlexLee-dc2vb Před 2 měsíci

    very insightful video

  • @vtmarik
    @vtmarik Před 5 lety +430

    Video idea: What if the Meiji Reformation failed and the Tokugawa Shogunate won?

    • @axelpatrickb.pingol3228
      @axelpatrickb.pingol3228 Před 5 lety +37

      The Tokugawa Shogunate is on the same boat with the Meiji Reformation: improving Japan's survival rate in this mad colonialism dash. In fact Japan's first industrialization and westernization efforts were made by the Shogunate. The only difference between them is HOW they approach the question of Westernization...

    • @muhammadsyafiq1004
      @muhammadsyafiq1004 Před 5 lety +13

      Japan would just become a republic. They would only get rid of the emperor or reduce the emperor power. So in a way, if the shogunate won, they would be the same as what happens when the atomic bomb drop on nagasaki. Which is the present day Japan. When Japan lost the war the emperor lost most of his power and people stop calling him god. Yes, during WW2 Japanese consider their emperor as god.

    • @slanderskovly1029
      @slanderskovly1029 Před 5 lety

      @@muhammadsyafiq1004 would they still like invade Korea, or?

    • @therealayatollah2678
      @therealayatollah2678 Před 5 lety +1

      .... That's a good one.

    • @axelpatrickb.pingol3228
      @axelpatrickb.pingol3228 Před 5 lety +2

      @@slanderskovly1029 They will, oddly enough...

  • @-4subscriberswithahammerad521

    CZcams- what a nice and informative video
    DEMONITIZED

    • @15flame
      @15flame Před 5 lety +11

      CZcams is paranoid about controversial topics

    • @tajayfoot1
      @tajayfoot1 Před 5 lety +3

      Henry pickle CZcams has always demonetized political topics; AHH has had this issue irregardless of the topic

    • @RexWort
      @RexWort Před 5 lety +12

      CZcams:
      "Smart Things"
      *Demonetized*
      "Dumb Things"
      *Monetized*

    • @makeromaniagreatagain9697
      @makeromaniagreatagain9697 Před 5 lety +1

      Why should youtube demonitise this video? It's not like they're commies or something.

    • @grizzy-thekiwi1144
      @grizzy-thekiwi1144 Před 5 lety

      it's still monetized for me

  • @Willys-Wagon
    @Willys-Wagon Před rokem +19

    Agree with your overall assessment. I think one important piece is it swaps one super power bff with another. Historically, Communist China broke their alliance with USSR minimise the target on her back. Nationalist China had good relations with both USSR and the US, however it would be at risk of becoming a battle ground with the onset of cold war. How China maneuvers between the super powers will define its security and potentially political system.

  • @rinokumera5907
    @rinokumera5907 Před 3 lety

    Man the intro is so good

  • @krisnikolaev6560
    @krisnikolaev6560 Před 5 lety +2038

    video idea: What if something actually happened on the 4th of June, 1989?

    • @gabo4850
      @gabo4850 Před 5 lety +211

      Too unlikely

    • @gangsterbroccoli
      @gangsterbroccoli Před 5 lety +120

      Kris Nikolaev nothing happened

    • @chifune8245
      @chifune8245 Před 5 lety +46

      Nothing new in the east

    • @zephyrna6249
      @zephyrna6249 Před 5 lety +161

      Man, what a great and sunny day it was in Tienanmen Square 6-4-89

    • @2ethefirst318
      @2ethefirst318 Před 5 lety +91

      @@zephyrna6249 a completely normal and uneventful sunny day at that

  • @Jonnyc448
    @Jonnyc448 Před 5 lety +376

    You should do an alternate history scenario where Communist China went to war With the Soviet Union during the Sino-Soviet split.

    • @drew.4628
      @drew.4628 Před 5 lety +4

      That's a very interesting timeline.

    • @jhcax
      @jhcax Před 5 lety +9

      I Think My Dog Is a Cat
      Then you would witness the first total nuclear war in history. Most nuclear shelters in nowadays China are built in those years. One nuclear shelter near my university is now a musical equipment store for underground bands.

    • @Jonnyc448
      @Jonnyc448 Před 5 lety +3

      @Hoàng Nguyên Well, it’s all up to Cody, let’s get his attention so he can do this suggestion!

    • @gkalaitza2183
      @gkalaitza2183 Před 5 lety +3

      Thats unrealistic and was never even close to happening , isnt this channel dealing with realistic hypotheticals

    • @Jonnyc448
      @Jonnyc448 Před 5 lety +16

      @giwrgos kalaitzantwnakis Oh wow, an expert in the chat. He did an episode on what if the snap occurred. That’s not realistic. Also, the Chinese believed that China must control the world and that the Soviets weren’t true communists. This could result in wars in indo-china or an all out war. All I’m saying is that there are many scenarios that could be generated from this idea.

  • @jorgenjoutdoors442
    @jorgenjoutdoors442 Před 2 lety

    I think this is one of the biggest questions of the topic of history.

  • @notmeantforyoubruv3999
    @notmeantforyoubruv3999 Před 2 lety +2

    That video absolutely destroyed his social credit lmao

  • @kevinh9110
    @kevinh9110 Před 3 lety +819

    I had a grandpa who fought in this war, he surrendered and then was relocated on a farm for 2 years after he surrendered and my great grandpa, a Nationalist General just cut and run to another province and found a war buddy who joined the communists and became a province governor, who kept him low key and gave his kids an education.

    • @rlvideosgunner
      @rlvideosgunner Před 2 lety +15

      My grandpa almost died in this war

    • @tiernanwearen8096
      @tiernanwearen8096 Před 2 lety +9

      @@rlvideosgunner my great grandfather was in the Irish civil war on the losing side.

    • @therealman2016
      @therealman2016 Před 2 lety +3

      @@tiernanwearen8096 sorry to hear that !

    • @tiernanwearen8096
      @tiernanwearen8096 Před 2 lety +10

      @@therealman2016 ah he was okay he later married had 10 children and died at the age of 96 he was never imprisend or persucted as the government in 1924 a year after the war was over made a general ammrnsty. He did refuse the pension for veterans regardless of witch side they fought for.

    • @therealman2016
      @therealman2016 Před 2 lety +5

      @@tiernanwearen8096 he sound like a great man ! Peace be on his relatives!

  • @MrSlug-ki9jl
    @MrSlug-ki9jl Před rokem +1

    *Cup of Solid Gold Intensifies*

  • @average_enby
    @average_enby Před 3 měsíci +1

    EXTRA HISTORY MENTION🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @JDthegamer209
    @JDthegamer209 Před 3 lety +758

    "The monster never dies no matter how many times you kill it. It just sheds its skin and changes form."
    - B.J. Blazkowicz

    • @D00000T
      @D00000T Před 3 lety +117

      "quoting random shit you find to sound cool and smart on the internet just results in a shitstorm comment war on politics and philosophy most of the time because no one is happy when someone else is trying to be a smartass on the internet" - abraham lincoln

    • @dickyfirdausabdulghoniy7462
      @dickyfirdausabdulghoniy7462 Před 3 lety +45

      @@D00000T that why abraham lincoln had open minded before his dead

    • @joeysmith8819
      @joeysmith8819 Před 3 lety +4

      @@D00000T lol

    • @sbevexlr848
      @sbevexlr848 Před 3 lety +5

      @@dickyfirdausabdulghoniy7462 engrish very so smart

    • @chicken8664
      @chicken8664 Před 3 lety +26

      @@D00000T lol, it’s an actual quote though, from the game series: “Wolfenstien” it ain’t random shit
      It’s also technically true though, compare it to energy, it can’t be created or destroyed, it just changes form. It’s like the clone war prequels when the C.I.S and the Republic both fall at the same due to Order 66. The “monster” was the C.I.S and the guy who was planning for the Rise and the Empire (forgot his name). It “changed form” when Order 66 was executed and he turned it into the empire.

  • @rare80
    @rare80 Před 5 lety +74

    "Communists" in the title? That's a bold move, Cotton.

  • @krichenboi
    @krichenboi Před rokem +1

    „If time is good, people are suffering, if time is bad, people are suffering“
    -a quote from idk who I got it from my parents once years ago

  • @ethanthegamelion4233
    @ethanthegamelion4233 Před 2 lety +8

    What's the decisive moment everything changes
    Everything changed when the fire nation attacked

  • @awkwardaro
    @awkwardaro Před 3 lety +133

    "OH NO IM MENTIONING SOMETHING CONTROVERSIAL!"

  • @zadam-zw5qz
    @zadam-zw5qz Před 5 lety +202

    [you've lost 100 social credit points]

  • @WaterYoshi
    @WaterYoshi Před 8 měsíci

    I'd like to see this remastered at some point.

  • @Owenbot3000
    @Owenbot3000 Před 2 lety

    The 2 videos.you recommended were apart of the 3 first recommended videos

  • @blaine8197
    @blaine8197 Před 5 lety +68

    So if the Nationalists won, Vietnam wouldn’t be Vietnam, and more importantly fortunate son wouldn’t be a famous song...

    • @USSChicago-pl2fq
      @USSChicago-pl2fq Před 5 lety +2

      Hoàng Nguyên yep you guys rock at kicking out foreign invasions since WWII ps great job in The Third Indochina War especially with beating the Chinese with their own weapons they gave you

    • @sinoroman
      @sinoroman Před 5 lety

      vietnam is really good at defense

    • @sinoroman
      @sinoroman Před 5 lety

      and, cody is somewhat biased tbh. if you want a more amerocentric or eurocentric PoV, althub is the place to be.

    • @radziwill7193
      @radziwill7193 Před 5 lety

      In fact, Stalin was a friend of Chiang Kai-shek and the Vietnamese communists still received ammunition.

    • @ethanaf1151
      @ethanaf1151 Před 5 lety +5

      @Hoàng Nguyên actually the north would have fell to a full scale American invasion but that didn't happen because we didn't want to provoke communist China by invading a communist country

  • @FriedrichBarb
    @FriedrichBarb Před 5 lety +345

    That glorious 17 second intro, ending with " *Millions dont Starve to Death* "
    I shouldnt have laughed but I did...

    • @DrummerMatt4253
      @DrummerMatt4253 Před 5 lety +20

      ah yes, because nobody starves to death under *checks notes* ... capitalism... oh fuck wait...

    • @vegardarntzen1556
      @vegardarntzen1556 Před 5 lety +18

      @@DrummerMatt4253 No, they don't..

    • @jonatand2045
      @jonatand2045 Před 5 lety +32

      @@DrummerMatt4253
      Definitly less than if they were communists.

    • @Arturo.Juarez
      @Arturo.Juarez Před 5 lety +25

      matt there’s a reason why we’re not eating our own pets like Venezuela, or being murdered because of our own faith like the millions of Christians in China, or being persecuted in North Korea. We’re not perfect but I am sure anyone with a little common sense would love to live in America or any other capitalist country

    • @cheeto4027
      @cheeto4027 Před 5 lety +14

      @@Arturo.Juarez well judging by his political compass score he doesn't seem to have any common sense he's an anarcho communist

  • @holokpt4263
    @holokpt4263 Před 2 lety +1

    hello im saying this after exact 3 years of the upload

  • @RoadToSociety
    @RoadToSociety Před rokem +1

    In the first few seconds I thought he was promoting Nebula lol.

  • @project22-ab88
    @project22-ab88 Před 4 lety +1154

    Basically, the US and friends would've had an easier time in Asia.
    Edit: Alright let's stop the mini civil war going down in the comment section.

    • @willhemwill5595
      @willhemwill5595 Před 4 lety +14

      True

    • @user-yb6ih8tj3r
      @user-yb6ih8tj3r Před 4 lety +137

      And the bloody coronavirus would have been taken seriously by the government... hopefully

    • @project22-ab88
      @project22-ab88 Před 4 lety +12

      @@user-yb6ih8tj3r
      Yeaaaa we're all boned

    • @project22-ab88
      @project22-ab88 Před 4 lety +75

      @SMD sth91
      Yea china would be a helluva lot more open internationally after the first few decades. But as cody said, the nationalists weren't perfect

    • @b3ygghsas
      @b3ygghsas Před 4 lety +14

      Well, taiwan IS a rich country, so why couldn't china be rich too?

  • @user-nd4qz4dh1n
    @user-nd4qz4dh1n Před 4 lety +809

    "Did the kuomintang lose the civil war?
    "No!
    "So why are they fleeing to Taiwan now?"
    "Why don't you ask why the communists fled to the China mainland instead?"

  • @swamp_villager
    @swamp_villager Před 2 lety +1

    Hold on, someone is knocking at my door. Let me get it real quick...

  • @ashkrum5001
    @ashkrum5001 Před 2 lety

    Your awesome man

  • @liyaxin9144
    @liyaxin9144 Před 4 lety +222

    I am a Chinese, and I have been wondering about this question ever since I was a teenager

    • @robertedward8688
      @robertedward8688 Před 4 lety +3

      你 have been什么你have been,回家抱孩子去吧你

    • @liyaxin9144
      @liyaxin9144 Před 4 lety +25

      @@robertedward8688 刘能,你寡不寡(无聊不无聊),跟你有毛关系。你回家抱孩子去吧

    • @liyaxin9144
      @liyaxin9144 Před 4 lety +4

      neng liu haha 流能

    • @robertedward8688
      @robertedward8688 Před 4 lety

      li yaxin 李鸭心?一颗做鸭子的心?菊花万人捅?

    • @liyaxin9144
      @liyaxin9144 Před 4 lety +8

      neng liu 哈哈哈 你个坐吃等死的loser. Keep on entertaining me.

  • @mrao3124
    @mrao3124 Před 5 lety +95

    Me : nobody won because it didn't end
    Cody *hits me with a history book*

  • @chrislondo2683
    @chrislondo2683 Před 2 lety +2

    Even a lot movies about Vietnam War like Platoon, Full Metal Jacket or Apocalypse Now would never be made in this alternate timeline. A lot of the vets who fought in it likely would never fight in it.

  • @louiesxjema
    @louiesxjema Před 2 lety +1

    I could feel my social credit losing while watching this

  • @MUTO-xc6cv
    @MUTO-xc6cv Před 4 lety +545

    What if Sun Yat Sen live a full life?what would he do to China?🇹🇼🇨🇳?

    • @shockwave2291
      @shockwave2291 Před 4 lety +65

      @Ishir Mehra Chiang didn't become the President until after Sun died. Before that he was mentored by Sun to be a future leader. Because of this I do not think it's fair to put Chiang in the same camp as Yuan Shikai; Chiang did still care about the Republic and he wanted to create a modern China as outlined by Sun, but unfortunate circumstances prevented him from ever fulfilling this.

    • @shockwave2291
      @shockwave2291 Před 4 lety +33

      @Ishir Mehra The Yellow River flood was a war time tactic to slow down the encroachment of the Japanese. It caused massive damage to infrastructure and killed many civilians yes, but it was justifiable in the historical context. Flooding has been used as a tactic by many Chinese generals in the past, so it's not like it's a new thing.
      I agree that Chiang made many mistakes during the Civil War that led to the Nationalist defeat, but some things were also out of his control (e.g. Japanese invasion, Xi'an incident, massive internal corruption, and US interventions to name a few). In my opinion, had Yuan not betrayed the Republic and fractured China, the Civil War would not have started in the first place.

    • @shockwave2291
      @shockwave2291 Před 4 lety +29

      @Ishir Mehra Chiang became a dictator because of his paranoia to Communism within his own party. Chiang initiated Martial Law in Taiwan for this reason. If the Nationalists won the Civil War, Chiang likely would've eventually relinquished power. This is pure speculation though, and neither you or I will ever know.
      That being said, a Communist regime does have a lot of differences to a Military Dictatorship. For one, the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution would never had happened, and China would not have closed off its economy for 30 years.

    • @28palms40
      @28palms40 Před 4 lety +4

      @@shockwave2291 Wrong, he became a dictator because it was necessary at the time, China was at war with Japan and the Communists. A dictator is necessarily needed in order to lead a nation to victory.

    • @28palms40
      @28palms40 Před 4 lety +7

      @Ishir Mehra Also, exterminating Communists was the right thing to do, they declared independence from China and had the goals to integrate China to a soviet puppet state. Manchukuo and other Japanese puppets did the same thing of dividing china.

  • @mylesmwalkerjr
    @mylesmwalkerjr Před 4 lety +735

    What if Google never bought CZcams

    • @biliminsrlar5752
      @biliminsrlar5752 Před 4 lety +125

      *This comment has been removed by Google*

    • @alexworld257
      @alexworld257 Před 4 lety +7

      @@qwerty_1871 YEAH gEt DuNkEeEeD YoUTuBe

    • @theplushtoywolf1038
      @theplushtoywolf1038 Před 4 lety +10

      What if the world was objectively better

    • @theplushtoywolf1038
      @theplushtoywolf1038 Před 4 lety +4

      SMD sth91 that would be “what if the world was objectively worse”

    • @theplushtoywolf1038
      @theplushtoywolf1038 Před 4 lety +1

      SMD sth91 memes are simply jokes, they don’t harm anyone. The internet is used for many things and makes living more convenient. Removing would make the standard of living objectively worse for a lot of people. Smartphones don’t hurt anyone either, they’re simply a convenience item.

  • @williamteskey528
    @williamteskey528 Před 2 lety +1

    Hey so just one thing I noticed, in our timeline when the USSR took manturia back from the jappanies they gave it to the comunests, in this time line would the USSR still give it back to the nationalist or keep it? (give it to North Korea, make it it’s own country or just make it part of Russia)

  • @blockyuniverseproductions6587

    Also, since I think that the Soviets would still invade Manchuria at the end of the Second World War, we could see a situation where the Soviets prop up a "People's Republic of Manchuria" to counterbalance against the now Nationalist China, along with being a buffer state like the Eastern Block.

  • @Dreadnought26
    @Dreadnought26 Před 5 lety +174

    *Cody’s social credit score plummets*

    • @KrypandeNej1
      @KrypandeNej1 Před 5 lety +5

      @Pink Panther please leave chinese spy

    • @soulstealer930
      @soulstealer930 Před 5 lety +11

      Pink Panther what ever you say Xi jinping

    • @vksepe
      @vksepe Před 5 lety +2

      @Pink Panther Any real Scottish person could spell "please" correctly.

    • @yisen8859
      @yisen8859 Před 4 lety

      If you have any evidence for the existence of social credit system, I would give you $100. Plz plz, as An Chinese, I would really love to know what the hell this is!

  • @jackuncles6233
    @jackuncles6233 Před 5 lety +745

    I wouldn’t call Nationalist “incompetent” during their struggle against Japanese invader
    1. Nanking has no strategic value, therefore the Nationalist withdrew their troops in order to defend the city of Wuhan (Wuhan is also a junction of numerous railroads that stretches into the heart of China, hence its strategic importance)
    2. The Nationalist forces did manage to hold off the Japanese onslaught and achieved a strategic stalemate across the frontline around 1941. Their 1945 counteroffensive was largely successful (with American help of course) and the counteroffensive is very well on their way to drove the Japanese out of China if the Americans didn’t drop the atomic bomb and end the war early.
    3. Nationalist held off a technologically superior enemy from 1937-41 with little outside help.
    This is a great and entertaining video nevertheless but I thought it might be a little unfair to label Nationalist “incompetent”. They fought bravely with whatever they had at that time, inflicted heavy casualties on the enemy, and contributed immensely to the Allied war effort.

    • @TheSuperior100
      @TheSuperior100 Před 5 lety +121

      Exactly. They did make mistakes like the yellow river flood but overall they were quite successful in repelling the Japanese invasion, and certainly did more than the communists who were putting in more effort to recruit soldiers than to fight.

    • @jackuncles6233
      @jackuncles6233 Před 5 lety +75

      Ng I completely agree with you, Yellow River flood was a terrible mistake indeed. But overall the Nationalist contributed so much more than that other faction that was so obsessed with preserving its own strength for the upcoming civil war.

    • @Killerbee4712
      @Killerbee4712 Před 4 lety +23

      @@jackuncles6233 Actually it was the nationalists that were preserving their armies to fight the civil war later. Chang kai shek didnt even want to fight the japanese until he was "convinced" into doing so

    • @jackuncles6233
      @jackuncles6233 Před 4 lety +78

      killer bee I am Chinese and I live in China, that was the typical communist interpretation of the war. In reality, Chiang Kai Shek lost most of his best train and equipped Central Army in the Battle of Shanghai. He did not hesitate to deploy his field armies in massive confrontation with the Japanese throughout the war.

    • @jackuncles6233
      @jackuncles6233 Před 4 lety +66

      killer bee Communist started with less than 40,000 solideres in 1937, by 1945 their size expanded well over 1,200,000. They DID preserve their strength and barely confronted the Japanese head on.

  • @morkmello5367
    @morkmello5367 Před 2 lety +1

    Can't we all just think of a happy ending where instead of worrying about nukes and politics we will just worry about meteors or aliens. It would be more uniting

  • @DhruvSharma21092
    @DhruvSharma21092 Před měsícem +2

    -9999 social credits!

  • @yanxishan6575
    @yanxishan6575 Před 5 lety +302

    This video concept gets a like from me, of course!

  • @Punderland
    @Punderland Před 3 lety +148

    The nationalists actually held Nanjing for 3 months against overwhelming odds....they didnt just run away

    • @aii_penguin9096
      @aii_penguin9096 Před 3 lety +18

      It was held by a patriotic holdout who was left for dead after Jiang evacuated all the arms and wealth they could

    • @real_dddf
      @real_dddf Před 3 lety +2

      some nra soldiers put up a fierce fight (which is why the japanese were angry). Commander tang shengzhi fled and Chiang is a nightmare as a military commander (if you get orders from him, likely these orders will cause you to die. Many generals legit closed their radios to ignore Chiang's military orders).

    • @testtestman2355
      @testtestman2355 Před 3 lety +2

      that's why the PRC never demonize the KMT,
      Only the KMT DID!
      Heck they even recognize that without Chiang, there would be no PRC, no United China,
      Unlike Some Authoritarians States,

    • @acorrectdisk4458
      @acorrectdisk4458 Před 3 lety +1

      Ye and the river thing was a sacrifice that was worth it they stopped the Japanese for a little while

    • @yohaneschristianp
      @yohaneschristianp Před 2 lety +2

      @@testtestman2355 Bias level 1000%

  • @sadlyimcringe6670
    @sadlyimcringe6670 Před 2 lety

    "It's like poetry it rhythms"

  • @user-vk8yy8ye5k
    @user-vk8yy8ye5k Před 8 měsíci +7

    看来列强无不怀念我大清

  • @jonathanlassen2875
    @jonathanlassen2875 Před 5 lety +157

    ”Empires arise from chaos and empires collapse back into chaos. This we have known since time began.”

    • @shadowsafe6329
      @shadowsafe6329 Před 4 lety

      So,China will fall to civil war again is what you are saying?

    • @crispyjack428
      @crispyjack428 Před 4 lety +23

      @@shadowsafe6329 he's actually quoting something. But his point is that no matter what, eventually every empire or great nation will have its eventual demise to ethier collapse permanently, or at least face revolutionary chaos that turns it into something else.

    • @shadowsafe6329
      @shadowsafe6329 Před 4 lety +1

      @@crispyjack428 I see what you mean,but whatever raises from the ashes is not always better,like in this case.

    • @shadowsafe6329
      @shadowsafe6329 Před 4 lety

      I get what you are saying

    • @shockwave2291
      @shockwave2291 Před 4 lety +4

      That's as useful a quote as saying something like "From ashes we came and to ashes we will return."
      Also, Empires may rise and fall but _Civilizations_ can last eons. China is an example of this.

  • @lexgaming3550
    @lexgaming3550 Před 5 lety +202

    Me and the boys before communism: ADS
    Me and the boys after communism: NO ADS

    • @Gyuwaaz
      @Gyuwaaz Před 5 lety +10

      We''' redistribute the ads that we've got to ensure everyone is equally prosperous (dead)

    • @raptorcell6633
      @raptorcell6633 Před 5 lety +5

      Even when we destroy it, Communism still takes our food.

    • @levvy3006
      @levvy3006 Před 5 lety +3

      Imagine CZcams without cancerous Prageru ads.

  • @careywilliams3619
    @careywilliams3619 Před rokem +2

    Say bye bye to your social credits

  • @shadowmask9365
    @shadowmask9365 Před 2 lety

    Intro got me laughing hard😂😂😂

  • @synthetictechnocrat9270
    @synthetictechnocrat9270 Před 4 lety +250

    I don't know how realistic this scenario is, but what if Sun Yat-Sen lived longer and actually managed to create the American-style democracy he wanted to? It would be a big, unwieldy democracy with both main parties being pretty authoritarian.

    • @RandomGuy-ghs
      @RandomGuy-ghs Před 2 lety

      It would be the single biggest tragedy. Look up the illiteracy rate at the time and think again if democracy is a good idea. Hell, I wouldn’t say it’s a good idea in the u.s. considering almost 30 school shootings has happened this year and literally a million ppl have died to fucking Covid and things are not looking up to change at all any moment soon.

    • @crep1544
      @crep1544 Před rokem

      Pretty impossible considering the sheer number of people in China, look at how big a problem political unrest is in the west, imagine the protests, and on rare occasions, riots, but in numbers so large that they could spark civil wars.

    • @RoflcopterLamo
      @RoflcopterLamo Před rokem

      Ultimately that’s 1 billion population forces it into a dictatorship

    • @jamesgerboth2547
      @jamesgerboth2547 Před rokem +3

      E

    • @1mol831
      @1mol831 Před rokem +37

      Then it would just be another india

  • @alaya1472
    @alaya1472 Před 4 lety +492

    this video ignored one huge problem: the warlords.
    in the 1930's China is more like a loose confederation than a unified nation.
    in the year of 1928,after the Japanese assassinated ZhangZuoLin, the warlord of the north east. Zhang's son, ZhangXueLiang decide to obey the ROC government. then the ROC government become the most powerful force among those warlords in china. and unified China ...in name only
    yet KMT is strong , but not strong enough, those warlords are highly independent from the central government. their allegiance to the central government is in name only. they keep their own army, they issue their own currency and made their own tax policy.(remember Zhang's son? although he clams he obeys to the ROC government, he is still highly independent too!)
    those warlords like a king in their little kingdoms, the central government have little control in the local. the warlords get support from different foreign power by their own. they even war to others for their own benefit.
    EX. the Central Plains War (MAY,1930--Nov 4th,1930)
    even after the 2nd Sino-Japanese war, KMT and CCP annexed most of the remaining warlords, some of them still remains.
    in the following civil war, they either eliminate or annexed by CCP or escaped to Taiwan with ROC and annexed by KMT.
    so back to the main topic. when the time KMT launched the purge towards CCP(APR 12th,1927), the CCP didn't have any territory and their own army, but the warlords have territory, the have tax income, they have thier own weaponized army. they are much more strong than CCP.
    so even KMT could eliminate CCP in 1927,the KMT still have to deal the the warlord problem. it's hard to say what's gonna happen after that. maybe early or late, there still gonna be a civil war.
    back to reality, so after the 2nd CCP--KMT civil war, does China finally become a unified country?
    of course not.remember there is still a exile ROC government exist in Taiwan province? and there is no total armistice agreement has been signed between Taiwan and Mainland China. so theoretically, despite the super long ceasefire between Mainland China and Taiwan exists, the civil war is still on going. right?

    • @sixiantan4755
      @sixiantan4755 Před 4 lety +12

      exactly

    • @christlau1233
      @christlau1233 Před 4 lety +31

      History tells us that as a huge multi-nation country, 'democracy' is not suitable for China, only leaders (or so-called dictators) that are powerful enough like Mao Zedong can unite China.

    • @dickiewongtk
      @dickiewongtk Před 4 lety +30

      ​@@christlau1233 How about the united states? It is literally a bunch of different countries (states), and it run just fine (i am not saying it is perfect) with democracy. And why must china 'unite' as a single country? How about a confedaracy of different states? Or something like the UK? Or forming a close group that benifit each other like the EU?

    • @liufrancis5542
      @liufrancis5542 Před 4 lety +34

      @@dickiewongtk Remember China got different culture and 1.4 billion people.

    • @user-zl9ww2md9n
      @user-zl9ww2md9n Před 4 lety +27

      @@dickiewongtk
      Not possible. The only way to unite so many different people of different cultures and race would be by hating on one common enemy.
      The correct example would be India... they are so diverse and have so many conflicts in history. The only way they are United is due to sheer hatred for Pakistan. Same with Pakistan too.
      China would be no different.

  • @joanbighorn9778
    @joanbighorn9778 Před 2 lety +1

    Probably been suggested before but “What if the Great Leap Forward Succeeded?”?

  • @PatroticMapping
    @PatroticMapping Před 2 měsíci +2

    So if this happened no
    Forrest Gump… yeah thank god this didn’t happen