bts paved the way, why is it so hard to accept it?
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- čas přidán 2. 05. 2024
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although it is a pretty obvious fact, the phrase "bts paved the way" is controversial. so how exactly did bts pave the way and why is it so difficult for k-pop fans, k-pop labels, k-pop groups and the media to accept it?
0:00 introduction
1:55 debunking arguments against
2:00 the 2nd gen paved the way?
4:21 psy paved the way?
6:48 american market?
8:53 each group paved their own way?
11:26 closed the way?
12:50 who accepts it?
18:09 who doesn't accept it?
19:06 why is it controversial?
22:36 conclusion
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The thing is BTS don't only paved the way in US/Western countries but in Asia too. For God sake Asia =/= SK, Japan & China. Countries like India, Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Middle East etc also a place where they paved the way. As an Indian I can tell you no foreign artist made their place like BTS did. They have huge fan base here. It's a big thing bcz bollywood music is dominate here. They're so big that BTS come under Most streamed artist in India. No act have made place like BTS. So BTS have indeed pave the way and put kpop in global level. And their is also stats from 2018 kpop start rising
IKR 💜
Even if we were only to count Japan, BTS' growth there is unprecedented for Korean artists. Their achievements in Korea, the homeground of every Kpop artist, are also unmatched. They truly paved the way EVERYWHERE, and it's just deliberate idiocy to deny it. Kfloppies are just blinded by hate and envy.
@@anthyavila9726 this is so true. In general BTS are #1 artist their. They top all music platform as a solo & group whenever they release songs. BTS is truly global icon
Thank You for setting it straight.
fr!! when indians think of kpop they think of bts. bts are the only group whose news gets reported on indian news channel which is a pretty big fcking deal considering indian news channels don't do much foreign coverage. and they're practically a household name considering how many armys there are. like my entire extended family knows about bts because of mr
Since I got into kpop this year. What I've noticed (just like you mentioned) is how the idols themselves actually acknowledge BTS impact, but their fans don't. And the more they try to deny the impact, the more it makes their favs look bad
K-pop fans are super toxic. The idols are nicer than their fans. The fans are getting into my nerves
@@cupcakenfetti I've noticed and when Army try to bring up facts and receipts, they say it's bullying or some BS. they're always in BTS's business more than their favs
That's what really gets me. A bunch of idols admire BTS and acknowledge their huge impact and are friends with them, and yet the way their fans act makes you think they are mortal enemies.
Yup it’s mostly their fans!! They always gotta bring BTS up to make their fav bigger n better when many artists admits BTS PAVED THE WAY. Their denial is unreal n pathetic!!
I always hear in the k-pop fandom that armys are toxic BUT all I see is the fandom shitting on BTS and their achievements 24/7. You can prefer a certain group while ackowledging the fact that BTS paved the way, it doesn't mean that you can't love and support your group first if you want. I can understand Armys that become defensive in face of a lot of bullshit that is often said about BTS. I myself have to stay away from the k-pop community sometimes because a lot of people spew ridiculous things. When I hear that Blackpink is superior to BTS I have to yeet myself out real fast because that's just objectively not true. Blackpink are queens of huge MVs and beat drops, they're known for it. But YG is responsible for the videos and none of the members produce music or have any intel really. They don't write either. SO how can we compare them to BTS who write, produce, have wayyyyyyy more songs in their discography (in almost every genre). I must also say that I don't feel an ounce of passion in Blackpink anymore. BTS love music, they love their fans, that's why Army is so damn loyal. Such devotion doesn't come out of nowhere.
Admitting bts paved the way doesn't make your fav group or artists less talented or less recognition.. or erase their achievement.. it's also doesn't mean your fav didn't work hard or experience any hardship.. they do.. but bts the one who made it easier for them .. all of their hardship didn't go to waste and they get what they deserve..
I agree with this, wholeheartedly!!
I think from what I've seen, it is a mix of jealousy, denial, and annoyance lol. The first two needs no explanation but the last one, I can understand a little. Every time there's an achievement or new milestone reached for kpop in general that isn't from BTS, people will still somehow make it known that it was "BTS that paved the way" even though it was another group/artist that made said achievement/milestone. Like I can understand that feeling of seeing your faves work being invalidated or dismissed because "BTS did it first" or "they made it easier for the rest". It's exactly as you said, BTS paving the way is a fact but that shouldn't somehow make your fave group/artist less talented or less recognized. But you know people, they take it personal for some reason.
@@lalalalisa41 as a non army I think that’s what made it annoying to hear lol because some people would say it under every group. It would be annoying at times lol.
@@lalalalisa41 agree that it must be annoying but at the same time those non army fans also parade around like they own the industry and that they beat BTS or whatever. so as an army that can be annoying too so i think it goes both ways. and also after everything the labels are doing to push their idols to be the next BTS who can really blame army for trying to defend it. it´s not the groups itself it´s the industry and delusional fans we are sick of. and it does not help that labels don´t really work togehter on collabs or something unless it is for a solo song. i mean the labels are showing fans that they don´t get along so why should the fans? that is why there is really not multi stans in korea and japan. but american are used to casual listen to radio and many artist they don´t care about the war that is going on
@@nadithyaweerasinghe6741 I too find it annoying at times mainly because I don't think the fandom needs to use that phrase as a type of weapon against other groups ya know? Though I do believe it's the more toxic fans that are doing it, which of course makes it look bad for the rest...
@@lealarsen2017 It sucks, because it's more of a "don't hate the player, hate the game" sort of thing. It's the industry and companies and yes, the really toxic fans that makes things more worse...In a perfect world, I'd like for all of us to get along and support each other but I suppose that's not realistic. I wish for this so much because as a multistan, it really sucks when I get caught in fanwars that start for ridiculous reasons LOL.
BTS:
• 73x Daesang winner
• 28x Guinness World Record Holders
• 6x #1's Hot 100
• 6x #1's BB200
• AMA Artist Of The Year (11 total wins)
• 5x Grammy Nominees
• 2x IFPI Global Recording Artist Of The Year
• 3x KMA Musician Of The Year (7 wins)
• 12x BBMA winner
• 3x Daesang Award Sweep
• 941 PAKS
• 850+ and counting awards
• 35.5B streams on Spotify (most for Asian Act)
• Youngest Recipents of Cultural Merit Award
• Best selling artist on Hanteo and Circle (25.1M & 39.6M)
• Youngest Recipents of Cultural Merit Award
• President Envoys of SK Diplomat - SK President
• Recipents of Van Fleet Award
• "Next Generation Leaders" - TIME
• "Entertainer Of The Year" - TIME
• "Reinventing The Music Business" - TIME
• "One Of The Greatest Of All Time That Are Paving The Way In Their Respective Fields" - Bustle
• "Greatest Pop Star" ‐ Billboard
• "BTS is among the 10 best pop bands of all time alongside acts like The Beatles, Queen and Destiny's Child" ‐ Esquire
• "The Music Innovator" ‐ WSJ. Magazine
• Asia Game Changer - Award from Asia Society
• Leader Of Youth - SK President
• "Nation's Pride" - SK President
• 3x Speaker at the UN
• UNICEF Ambassador
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Bts legit paved the way to America. Some previous artists managed to get one of their songs before (ex: Psy) but it was bts who completely dominated America and popularized even more kpop around the world. Literally became the first ones to get a billboard nomination, then American debuts and now currently in grammy nominations
jungkook even performed at the fifa , i know it's hard to accept for those kpopies who want their faves at top , but receive nothing at all other than failure, i am saying it now , i will say it till the day i die .....BTS PAVED THE WAY .
@@smita04 IKRRR!! Kpopies will keep on barking but BTS will keep on winning!! The media, The companies can try as hard as they can to 'manipulate people', but trust me that's not how the universe, God really supports those who are real, and for me it'll always be Bangtan
BTS PAVED THE WAY!
paved america LMAO WDYM no way bts paved rihanna , Taylor swift, Ariana grande , eminiem , Michael jackson , and other big name yall dont need to be biased in comment
@@salutcmoa404 your reading comprehension is piss poor. the comment is talking about paving the way for KPOP not american artists
@@salutcmoa404 read carefully, I said paved TO America, not FOR America or anything else.
the audacity of some people to discredit BTS saying they 'didn’t pave the way' while they too know it was BTS and army's popularity what made kpop so famous to the whole world and they could know their faves, hypocrisy is real
immortality 🙄🙄
Whatever we armies are enough 😌🔥🔥🔥
Anime music paved the way, lol.
That's funny. Half of everyone in the comments of one remix seems to know that Калуські вечорниці is Ukrainian, even though the channel of a remix of it they commented on is called Russian Deep. They even know the song is not Russian! Is this unintelligence?
@@jameshenrysmith anime music is Japanese 😐😐
Please ARMY let's show other fandoms that even when BTS is in the military... we ARMY will continue to vote for them and maintain them beyond the TOP. We need to keep them be #1.
Agreed, well said.
Yes let's not leave hope
Yall petty
I love that
Let's do it
exactly but some fans are like "we're #1 anyways" and just never put it in any effort* but wanna celebrate their achievements when they win, we need that 2016-2019 energy back
Hard to do when the awards show only permits Korean voters, though. Like the SMAs are currently doing; their Fancast voting app isn't working for internationals.
As a black army and just a black person in general I feel heard and seen! Thank you for touching on black influence in kPop as many ppl try to erase it! Bts has always paid homage, I’m glad army can too! Bts paved the way.
@@norabeckwith6893 I hope this fervor and delusion can one day turn into motivation to support them instead and maybe they will one day be able to achieve even a fraction of what bts has 🫶🏽stay blessed friend.
@@norabeckwith6893 first of all I kindly request to you to watch the full video 💀
i like the fact that bts actually went to america and got to learn from black artists first hand even if some of that could be somewhat unpleasant, it's always better to immerse yourself
@@nightfrost1891 Yeah some thought it was cringe but they didn't got important insight and respect from the culture which they spent time in understanding.
@Kait , as a fellow Black ARMY ,I agree with what you said and Boracity said. Even seeing them still acknowledge and respect all of Black music and the artists before them and current, are just a couple of reasons to make me love them more. 👏🏿💜
The controversy about "BTS paved the way" is because who paved the way is BTS and not their groups. Pure jealosy and envy of kpop fans and kpop industry.These 2 years will be difficult because I'm already seeing media playing imagine during these 2 years. We don't have to let media to alter and distort the reality. All these more than 10 years ( pre debut and after debut) is the sacrificie and hard work of our tannies. Protect them and their legacy!
You are 100% right .... esp the so called big 3 companies have been plotting against bang pd & bts since their debut ... now they have got full empty road to manipulate fans against bts .....
They could try and then...fail!!
Lets see and wait. When BTS is not around for these 2 years, what other KPop acts can do. Can they enter Bilboard 100? Win BBMAs or AMAs or get GRAMMY nomination? Give high impact to SK's economy and culture like BTS did? Or stil one or two members from BTS who are on top of chart or any US awards?
I m really curious to know what happen next 😁
it'll be the ultimate test for kpop groups. You want BTS out of the picture? Fine, you can have it. Let's see what they accomplish without bts. Let's see if they win AMAs, BBMAs, Grammy nominations, let's see if they getting invited to the White House, speak at the UN Assembly, start a worldwide campaign....change the industry, I dare you. Let these articles and media distort the reality, there'll never be anyone come close to BTS, because once BTS return in 2025, no one will see it coming. And Army will sit back and say "told you so".
I'm not one to be cocky, but some of the things people say to dismiss BTS's success really piss me off and need to be put in their place. BTS paved the way, it's time for a reality check
@@whatisilyionlyknowipurpleyou well said, BTS are now proverbial out of the picture lets see what these kpopies and their favs can achieve in the meantime, it will be VERY interesting😆😆
@@halalmarthnihpai4946 a lot of kpoppies from the big 3 already pushing our boys to the military so they re fave can win awards. It would interresting to see what happen next you say, what happen next : is Indigo. I ve stream the album and ive never heard or feel or get lost on music like that. Its a masterpiece and he was so involved on everything that he created on this album, its phenomenal. Btw, he led me to discover new artist i knew nothing about Paul Blanco ( i know you gonna laugh), Kim Sawol .... and even read about the artist painter Yun and his life. Tell me wich other kpop artist, make you go and do some research?
I am ARMY, since 2018. I've been down the proverbial rabbit hole... I am grateful for fresh and researched content that manages to elevate AND deepen my love and connection to BTS, an endeavor that, at this point, I often feel is nearly impossible ... Thank you, boracity magazine for, in your own words about BTS, refusing to be "mediocre and lazy." This is invaluable content! borahae.
thank you so much! you are always so supportive, i'm so glad you're liking the videos💜💜
I am army since 2016 but i am lazy to make content like you thankyou to make us more understand and more knowledge our king thankyou so much
totally agree i feel the same gratitude
I’m a baby Army since 2021, but as J House said, I’ve been down in the proverbial rabbit hole since then. I never liked Kpop, I am a huge fan of Kdrama but since I heard/learned BTS it is the only K-pop group I am only interested in so I am always biased towards BTS. Your contents are well researched and informative. It is another unbiased perception of BTS. I made the right decision to stan this group. Can’t wait for more videos from you. Borahae💜💜💜
Couldn't agree more. Well said!! 💜
6:48 I'm a fan from India and have been Army since 2016. To give you context, Indian music industry is HUGE. It is just because it's not similar to the US or Japan music industry, you don't see Indian music industry at the top but this industry has a lot of money & influence. We didn't have the streaming & buying culture until recently.
BTS paved the way for other K-pop groups in India & it's SO SIMPLE to prove
In India, only BTS had a major appeal. So much so that we tagged & requested vh1 India to play BTS. We trended tags for BTS. Vh1 did do a program since 2017 called kpopd, where all K-pop groups were played. It was our efforts that got the show. Today, if you ask any other K-pop group fan, the majority will say that it was the show kpopd in Vh1, which introduced them to their fav
Also, we didn't have spotify until 2019. We have streaming apps that we get for free/subsidized as an offer with our sim cards(these apps are owned or partnered with these sim card companies). No one even cared about spotify in India. Indian armys tagged & trended tags for almost a year for spotify in India
Finally, in 2019, when spotify launched here, it was mostly Armys who were the initial sign ups
From introducing a seperate chart for international artists (IMI charts) to making bollywood song edits for bts(which went VERY viral & got new armys so other kpop fans started doing the same) Army & BTS paved the way
Even Ex - President of India mentioned BTS in their speech with a meeting with SK in 2018.
And till this day , Indian news channels only shares BTS news not kpop industry 's
M also from india nd i only know BTS nd in India most people know kpop coz of BTS.. untill BTS i didn't even know about Billboard chart their awards shows nd all but when I become part of this i came to know how all these things like buying albums streaming and all matters to make place in big markets..in India we don't have culture of buying albums nd merch but now coz of BTS many people do this Indian Army's is more in streaming in you tube streaming India is first nd on Spotify too india has huge impact..US. And japan counts in big markets coz I think they count album selling nd all which lacks in India so they don't consider it huge but Indian fanbase of BTS is very big here i think till 2025 most people will become able to buy albums nd all including me
@@rubylily3331 yeah they did even interview with them i think ndtv news channel nd one news anchor is really impressed by them he cover their news several times nd give their examples regard to bollywood celebs i forget his name..other than k-pop fans no one know other group but everyone know or heard about BTS if they are fan or not
@@monikabishnoi7240 ndtv was good . the interview went good, armys sent gifts -flowers, cookies to the interviewer that was a good time .lol. So many Bollywood celebs talks more about BTS since like 2018. A.R . Rahman talked about BTS in 2020 and he and his son met BTS in the last grammy . if u remember u are talking about which celeb i would love to know. Sometimes i find Indian news channels talks more about BTS than South Korea
@@rubylily3331 no that's seperate there is also a interview of them on ndtv channel and i think anchor of Zee news cover several videos of them i don't remember the name
Makes me realise HOW MUCH COURAGE it took bts to go to America and do all those interviews when they knew that there are going to be people who just openly hate them and judge them. Wow I could never.
That part on red carpet made me really frustrated, Im glad they have bodyguards and managers following them to keep ppl like that away
That's funny. Half of everyone in the comments of one remix seems to know that Калуські вечорниці is Ukrainian even though the channel of a remix of it they commented on is called Russian Deep. They even know the song is not Russian! Is this unintelligence?
That's funny. Half of everyone in the comments of one remix seems to know that Калуські вечорниці is Ukrainian, even though the channel of a remix of it they commented on is called Russian Deep. They even know the song is not Russian! Is this unintelligence?
it wasn't easy
This is why, y'all ARMY please contribute in voting and streaming. This is the reason why I always bother you to vote. Cuz BTS only got their talent and us. Help whenever you can BC the industry is going to play dirty and keeps discrediting BTS. They need our help, guys.
True, they already try this december on mama, haters, antis and other group stan try to sabotage their success by asking aother fandoms to vote against BTS. After that they were happty that they almost had their cheat win. Incredible. Nothing was handed to BTS they were hated by the kpop industry aand making fun of, now some groups from the big 3 want to be the next BTS. This why i prefer to discover group from minot label, bc i think their group are more humble.
@@maymaht5175 That's been a thing for a long time, the seniors tell me. Saw it myself on TOP voting last year: BTS and two other groups in two categories- Best Song and Best MV, if I remember right. For Best Song, Group A was the 'BTS-beater', the one the other fandoms had chosen to throw all their votes to, so they and BTS were pulling about 90% of the votes combined. Group B had like 2.5%, along with all the other nominees. But on Best MV, Group B was the chosen 'BTS-beater', and Group A was now down at the bottom with the other nominees, getting about 2%.
It's not exactly cheating, because you can't *make* a fan vote for the group they claim to like. But I do wonder how Group A and Group B would feel about that. And it does prove something: it proves a lot of K-pop fans are more about taking down their rivals than actually supporting their groups. ARMY's different: ARMY is loyal. When we vote, we vote for BTS no matter where they are in the lineup. We don't throw our votes away to help, say, Group 2nd Gen beat Group 4th Gen. The downside is we end up voting against 5-20, even as many as 28 fandoms.
Yes please 🥺
this!
Yes from the beginning its just BTS and Army for each other and no one else, we gotta always support them💜💜💜
The part where someone said, "Put your hand down, this is freaking America!" really made me angry. 💙💜💜💜💜💜💜🐳🌌♾
Same . I've never seen that video and let me so pissed off.
Same! The F?! 😡
Imagine what we didn't hear off camera, I can't believe they had the nerve to do that in front of their faces.
Same the whole snippet actually made me so angry. And it's weird bc I watched so many time BTS at this award show that year.. But since I joined the fandom a year later, I watched it only though the behind the scenes of the bangtan bomb video (which ofc doesn't include theses racists comments). So, I'm an Army since 5-6 years but it's the first time I saw this sht, got schocked right now...
Same, I never really watch red carpet videos, can’t believe the media treated them like this
Twice’s video of them talking about how BTS paved the way for artists to enter the US market is so nice. I genuinely love those girls, they are extremely supportive and acknowledge hard work!!
There's a clip of Yoongi saying (I'm paraphrasing) that one of the problems they had back in 2017/18 when they had to face the pressure of them getting so big, was that he had no one to go to for advice. No one had done what they were doing.
And now their faves have someonw to look upto thats why their faves also want to win a grammy🤣🤣🤭
Anime music paved the way, lol!
That's funny. Half of everyone in the comments of one remix seems to know that Калуські вечорниці is Ukrainian even though the channel of a remix of it they commented on is called Russian Deep. They even know the song is not Russian! Is this unintelligence?
That's funny. Half of everyone in the comments of one remix seems to know that Калуські вечорниці is Ukrainian, even though the channel of a remix of it they commented on is called Russian Deep. They even know the song is not Russian! Is this unintelligence?
If you weren't around in 2016-2017, you wouldn't understand all the ways in which BTS paved the way. New fans need to learn this, especially fans of Hybe groups. The K-pop industry was unknown to most people until BTS made it a pop culture phenomenon. Everyone who listens to music these days, especially Gen-Z, know what K-pop is thanks to BTS.
So trueee , as a 2016 fan of BTS, I knew exactly how kpop was started getting known more widely around the world , due to the sudden appearance of BTS' existence in America.
Anime music paved the way, lol!
That's funny. Half of everyone in the comments of one remix seems to know that Калуські вечорниці is Ukrainian, even though the channel of a remix of it they commented on is called Russian Deep. They even know the song is not Russian! Is this unintelligence?
hmmmm
As an American school teacher, I have seen first-hand the influence of BTS. I remember when Gangnam Style became popular. A number of my teenagers would sing it and even attempt to dance to it. Then its popularity faded. I forgot Korean music existed until "Kids React" did a a video about K-pop. I thought, "That music is interesting." And on rare occasions, I would listen to K-pop music in the background while I worked on stuff. I could not tell you the difference between any group.
Then I taught several super fans who educating me about Korean culture and the music industry. They gave me lists of music to listen to. For the first time, I sat down and actually really paid attention to the videos. There were many artists they told me about, but I very quickly realized BTS was my favorite. The depth of their lyrics, the artistic of their videos. Soon I was playing K-pop music in my class while my students worked.
I continue to see K-pop's popularity with my students. I have some students who try to work BTS into every project that they create in my class. It's quite delightful for me to see.
the react channel really did something for kpop and introduced it to the main public of their subscribers who knew nothing about kpop there was lots of positive reactions and reciprocation. it's just one of the avenues how kpop was introduced to the west. armys never talk about it bc in their ignorance they only see bts paving the way or only bts' music catching attention (personal anecdotes are not facts). just bc I wasn't into kpop circa 2000's doesn't mean there wasn't a growing market in the west.
@@3xitthissid3 hi..again , there's no denying that there are other ways kpop was introduced to the US market. there's psy, other groups who went there first, and yeah even the "kids react"...... BUT paving the way doesnt mean you invented kpop or brought it out.. they made it easier for other acts to go the the US after they have established a following in the US . Now there's even kpop categories on award shows..
@@3xitthissid3 You should probably watch the video first and THEN comment. She pretty much covered this when she said "paving the way" isn't about inventing the road; really it's about making the road smoother. And BTS CERTAINLY has done that in a BIG way. Many of us had heard of Kpop. And knew there was a growing global market. However, BTS are the ones who blew the market doors off.
@@BrunoTheDutch lots of ARMYs discredit the other ones and try to make it an only bts accomplished this thing. truth of the matter is there was a COMBINATION of multiple things that happened over time that opened the door for kpop both in the west and globally. There is no bts paved the way because there's so many things that paved the way. it's like the saying " the straw that broke the camel's back" it's not really the straw that did it it was an amalgamation of things.
now lets address hypocrisy. if bts doesn't make it in award shows or isn't shown on big television networks variety shows, it's okay. they're underdogs and they've got a supportive fandom that just isn't visible to the public and it's all okay because the fandom spends money and financially supports bts, basically bts is selling albums and concert tickets. yet if other groups don't make it on western and american talk shows, award shows, or win any awards they must be nonexistent to the market but then you look at their concerts in north america and they're touring all over the continent? does it matter if these other groups not winning awards if they making bang and collecting revenue?? so why are THEY called flops? armys wanna claim all other groups are flops and only bts reached success in america but it's not true. got 7 had a sizable fandom in US waay back and it's not like they were trying to break to western market. the following is not a opinion but a fact: award shows don't define success. if bts didn't win a gramy does that mean bts is not successful? so many kpop groups from other companies are selling albums and concerts in america, which is big money for a korean who converts that to local cash, even if they didn't win a single award show. people don't know this but sm had their groups tour freaking western europe in 2000's waay before bts was even formed. kpop existed and was becoming known without bts (hello bigbang anyone?) and would have so without bts.
sucess of kpop doesn't rely on what's within the constrains of kpop, there are so mady korean dramas that had idol actors and ost or even kpop acts do an ost that created a gateway for kpop and introduced kpop to them. and if you look at k cinema you'll see that the movie parasite and netflix's squid game broke into the western masses and general public. wich none of it had any correlation to bts. it was just a matter of time before kpop was going to break to gp too. If it wasn't going to be bts it was going to be someone else. and that's a fact. armys themselves don't wanna see how their own group is disposable for western masses.
@@3xitthissid3 You can argue with the wall, bts paved the way. 😋 you cannot compare kpop groups touring in arenas, when bts are literally selling out legendary STADIUMS all over the world, something not even most western artists can accomplish.
And you mentioning kpop groups selling albums in america is so funny to me because the only reason kpop acts can sell their physical albums in america is because of army demand of BTS albums in 2017, i was there when they first started to sell their albums there and soon enough all the kpop industry started doing it lmao, so yeah once again bts paved the way.
Another really strong point is how because of bts army tirelessly researched how to make them successful in every market coming up with strategies every fandom mocked us for then immediately copied.
So true! Army also deserves an honourable mention 💜
I was one of the people way back in 2016 researching how to get them into the bbmas. I felt like a fool but it somehow worked after spamming and email after email. I cant believe they blew up after that and people made fun of them going to the bbmas, yet every kpop group tries to chart on there now
thank you SO MUCH for your hard work💜
@@Lisa-qm5bc we're all severely indebted to you Queen 👑💜
What's funny is just as their groups try to copy BTS eras as their concepts (just look at the wannabe HYYH trilogies, Life Goes On aesthetics, Dynamite copycats) without getting good results, Kpoppies don't succeed while copying ARMY strategies. Like artist, like fan! 🤭
When we say “BTS paved the way”, it’s not just an army phrase. It’s a fact!
Anime music paved the way, lol.
That's funny. Half of everyone in the comments of one remix seems to know that Калуські вечорниці is Ukrainian even though the channel of a remix of it they commented on is called Russian Deep. Unintelligence?
@@jameshenrysmithare u dumb?
@@jameshenrysmithnobody is talking about anime music 😭 we're talking about the kpop music market here. Be serious
@@jameshenrysmith the hack did anime came from dude😂 we are talking about BTS and kpop here not anime like you dululu
Along with all these fandoms who don’t wanna admit BTS paved the way, and insist that their faves ‘paved their own way’, I’ve also noticed them reaching to the moon and jumping through hoops to give them a tragic underdog story… despite the fact that their faves came from rich af companies and NEVER struggled like BTS did… but just like everything else in this mess of an industry, the ‘underdog’ has become a concept that they think is just another step that’s needed to be ‘the next BTS’. First, why would you want your faves to suffer like that? And second, it’s not about a ‘rags to riches story’, it’s just about loving music and having sincerity towards your craft. Having a fake underdog concept means nothing if the music is shit and there’s nothing for people to enjoy or relate to.
Your absolutely correct army ...your comment really triggered a social media war i had with one multistan 🥴 .... one such case of under dog story was stirred by Skz & ateez fan .... ohh my God that girl had me rolling on the floor ... I don't understand how exactly skz n ateez companies struggled financially ??? 😵💫🤷♀️ when I questioned her that did they have hand to mouth situation like bts ? She blocked me after I started questioning how's & why's... 😂
I see who you're talking about 😂. The artists who came from a well off family, driving mums porche predebut but don't have money for food so they eat bread ,jam and live in a small room which has hole . Can't blame the fans when the artists themselves feed them bs and lies.
Exactly, they dont even produce their own music, how can they be sincere? Look at the boom that RM album has produced nobody(artist) did this kind of album in the kpop industry. And i look up his collab artist's songs like Tablo, Kim Sawol, Yoojeen, and Paul blanco. I have to admit i really love Kin Sawol and Paul Blanco songs, i would never look them up if it wasnt for RM as i came from the west and only knew about Erykah Badu and Anderson.Paak.
Next, you'll see some idols or their agency will try to put out something similar as they did when BTS launch the love yourself trilogy a lot of group or idols at that time were singing < i love myself> just wait and see.
Whom are you talking about? Sorry I am just purely curious, cause it's kinda bizarre if anyone wants to give this kinda narrative thinking it's a good strategy! if you don't wanna mention explicitly then can drop some hints
@@srijitachakraborty3765 mostly all the 4th & 5th gen groups espcially from big 3 companies (sm , yg & jyp) these 3 companies are trying really hard to push their groups as "next bts" infact yg & sm has been studying the success formula of bts for years now ... they have control & power over media in south korea hence any achievement of BTS is always undermined ..... but they will shamelessly copy the concepts n execute it in their groups n dishout to public esp the fans of their older groups .... the idol culture of korea is very toxic in nature ... thats why bts broke out of that mold & made their own genre going against these big 3 ... also when big hit was going bankrupt , sm entertainment tried very hard to buy BTS from bang pd , but bang pd stood firm & did not give up n fought through his hard times , he knew from the start that these 7 boys would change the world .... & he was proved right ....
They don't wanna accept that bts singlehandedly did that I mean they love their egos too much
Fr!!!! I was arguing with a certain 4th generation fandom and omg they think Big Bang did everything and bts is taking all their credit…..like tf
BTS introduced me to every thing KPOP and Korean.
Before then, I didn’t know anything.
I didn’t even know Psy was KPOP or Korean.
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@@ARMYandDANITY I'd never even heard of Psy.
@@ARMYandDANITY as myself , i discover kpop trhought BTS in 2020 due to dynamite.
@Skkrt skrrt all N!GGer go watch the video again and put on yoyr language on cc to understand
Other idols, korean government, music critics, award shows: "BTS PAVED THE WAY!!"🔥
Kpoppies: "NO THEY DIDN'T!!"😭
i've literally seen people who stan an idol who said that and they just said 'they were just being nice' or something dumb in defense of it because they didn't agree with their own idol LOL
Kpoppies : My fav did hair dye first, first to use lightstick, wins a inkigayo show against BTS song which was 4 months ago etc etc so my fav paved the way 🤓
@@jwehope5280" my fav did ending fairy first and big3 was one of the first companies my faves paved the way" big 3 stans
"Men cannot pave the way for women, therefore blackpink paved their own way" - blinks
Here after BP BRAGGING THAT THEY PAVED THE WAY😭. HOW CAN THEY PAVED THE WAY WHEN BTS ALREADY PAVED THE WAY
Where did they say that? Tell me please. Where did blackpink say that they had made their way?
@@anna-fe1iuin the lyrics of their new ost “the girls”
@@sanadoIl Yes, I listened. I didn't like Lisa's party.
if blackpink would have mentioned bts they would have gotten way more backlash that's why they didn't. And they did Paved the way for female artist in the industry not in kpop but globally too , And it was blackpink who first collabrated with the western artist. And about the companies if they wanted they could have auditioned for big companies and now they have the company that is most manipulative out of all after money everything is changed . And blackpink were first one invited to the big music festivals in usa and uk
@@shivanitomar9873i mean sorry to say that. But there are more talented gg group than BP (ex mamamoo). Also, bp made easier only for the western side, apart from that nothing much. I mean most pf the time they just either go make a ad, or go to fashion shows, but not that much.
BTS paved the way, broke the mould, set the standard, what they have achieved at home and on the international stage is unmatched and incomparable. They bought K-pop to the global stage but they are so much more than kpop. From Korea to the World, BTS are their country greatest asset, they literally put their country on the map with k culture and kcontent now becoming most popular. BTS are a once in a lifetime act, they have broken so many records becoming the first Korean Artists to do so. No one can do it like them and no one is on par with them. They are legends, all the success, everything they have accomplished is awe inspiring. They are a dominant force of good & they will continue to dominate thereafter.
So true, since the pandemic i discover BTS, and their contents ( run BTS, in the soop) made me discover korean foods, that i tried and fell for it. I now planning with friends to visit SK inis summer 2023, i would never tought about that with NK so close, but now i really dont care. Just want this experience all that thanks to BTS.
@@maymaht5175 Same like after getting into BTS, I started watching kdramas and all...they literally are one of a kind
Soo true, they are a once in a life time act... Their name will go down in musical history as musical legends among the likes of beatles, MJ, elvis, etc
Still you will hear people say bts did nothing to Kpop. Firstly eats their foods and then they say ' we cooked it, not you'. Hilarious people.
Country? But i'm not even in South Korea! What the frick!
BTS has fought so hard in the K-Industry that it’s almost insane to think that they haven’t contributed nothing- or did not pave the way. They achieved things that were impossible for other groups to achieve and have kept pushing themselves ever since.
Anime music paved the way, lol!
That's funny. Half of everyone in the comments of one remix seems to know that Калуські вечорниці is Ukrainian even though the channel of a remix of it they commented on is called Russian Deep. They even know the song is not Russian! Is this unintelligence?
That's funny. Half of everyone in the comments of one remix seems to know that Калуські вечорниці is Ukrainian, even though the channel of a remix of it they commented on is called Russian Deep. They even know the song is not Russian! Is this unintelligence?
hmmmm
I think most non ARMYs get angry over the phrase "BTS paved the way" because they feel like it diminishes their favorite groups' talents, when as you so clearly expressed, really just means that they helped create opportunities that were not there before.
facts
It’s bc on tt when ever they say that they also add “___ flopped”
Anime music paved the way, lol!
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I have mad respect for BTS Their Fandom is wide and very deep. They help pave the way for older fans like me to speak up about loving them and some of the other K pop groups I stand, Also as an African American I love the respect they have shown to black artists and our musical heritage. For years others have built on our music without ever acknowledging the black artist who came before but BTS knows the root understands it and respects it. That is why they can build on it to make it something uniquely their own
Anime music paved the way, lol!
That's funny. Half of everyone in the comments of one remix seems to know that Калуські вечорниці is Ukrainian even though the channel of a remix of it they commented on is called Russian Deep. They even know the song is not Russian! Is this unintelligence?
The main reason why the entire Korean industry does not want to admit this is because they created a system and a belief that if you follow this system you will succeed. They were also profitting off of that system (variety shows, performances, etc etc).
BTS was given no place there so they created their own way, and just kept on running.
If you look at ANY other kpop artist's music and compare it to BTS music, you will notice a HUGE difference. Even if topics are "love yourself" the introspection and the emotion BTS songs have in them are just different. There are very few songs in the entire existence of kpop that can compete with, say, The Truth Untold- and this song is not even a title track, not even the second most important track on the album. BTS has no filler songs, they don't have MVs that are just pretty faces. Everything they ever did had purpose and meaning, and emotion and an individual standing behind it. That, alone, learned them respect from their fans first. I myself first heard another Big3 artist first and thought "OK this is fun but there is nothing human standing behind it- I will listen to this once, twice, jump a bit and dance and go on with my life". Then I heard BTS's Idol, and I was like, "fun" and when I went on to look at lyrics translations... My first thought on "it's okay, I'm in love with myself" was like, wow that's posh and whatever. But then as I researched the words meanings and cultural influences.. I realized that this meant being gentle to oneself but still working on improvements, on your own terms, to your own wishes. This self love from the members was never arrogant, it was always rebellion to the society that was saying they weren't enough and that was pushing them down every second. This self love, I wanted that.
The very fact that we can discuss what they meant by their songs is respect worthy in my opinion. BTS has gone on to earn it from millions of people- armies and many non armies- by raw talent, emotion, and honesty in what they had to say. And earning that respect by putting thought behind everything they did- that, for me, is paving the way.
same the first song i listened to was idol and it got me hooked to Kpop so i tried to find similar Kpop song cause i thought Kpop songs were all the same and then i realised that it's not just Kpop but just BTS, the the proof is so many idols try to get nominations on American awards but non of them have ever won an american award the only one who was nominated for Billboards is BlackPink and they didn't win How many Billboards, AMAs or People's Choice did BTS win and it shows that sometimes it's not about power but talent and dedication.
@@lisaadams7339 your power vs talent and dedication is spot on! The truth is, most of other kpop songs just aren't good enough, and my opinion is that people just aren't stupid and want to listen to good music with good meaning.
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100% this! 🙌
Agreed 100% 💜
As an average music consumer from US, I think BTS made Kpop music cool and mainstream.
What the frick of a video. I don't even live in South Korea.
Anime music paved the way, lol.
That's funny. Half of everyone in the comments of one remix seems to know that Калуські вечорниці is Ukrainian even though the channel of a remix of it they commented on is called Russian Deep. Unintelligence?
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It’s so funny when I see “BTS PAVED THE WAY” trending on twitter every time something big happens. But I don’t think we would care that much if kpop fans weren’t so hellbent on denying it, so now we rub it in there faces every chance we get
Yes! Army didn't make this a big thing, we only enjoy rubbing it in antis faces 😂
So satisfying to watch.
It's crazy how no other groups seem genuine to me
This is actually true like even after reaching that level of fame bts never faked anything even now specially being so humble even after being the most successful band rn which is rare to be seen I don't think there's a grp I've ever seen this genuine to there fandom specially.
@@fluffyberrrys Yeah and not just that their music is genuine. Their motive is to make music in an honest way and show their art, express their thoughts through music which is pure gold. Whereas these other groups don't seem to have that motive, they seem so desperate. There's so much more to this and all these factors makes me respect BTS even more. Sorry for rambling, I had to vent it out.
@@_snooze_09 why you're saying sorry you said the truth 🛐 .
it's rare to see people in kpop who genuinely have passion for music, this is a truth now people want fame more despite not having genuine passion for music .
- BTS are one of the rare artists who have genuine love/passion for music and literally they have my respect since the starting.
- I started stanning them bcs of there healing music , genuine love for there armys,genuine for making music ,not faking anything, and most importantly the lyrics they have in each of there songs. Btw sorry too for writing sm😭
@@fluffyberrrys No I love interacting with armys and get to read these long paragraphs about BTS and I think we can go on and on and not stop. I feel so proud to be fan of such legends. I love armys 🫂❤️
I'd say whatever popularity kpop has now, it's not kpop becoming mainstream, but BTS becoming mainstream and BTS becoming popular. And these groups are benefitting by that which is clearly nothing wrong but not admitting it, jeez that gets on my nerves like why is it tough to acknowledge, why be jealous? They're the people feeding their fandom with all the negativity.
Id have to disagree with you. I live in new zealand were just about always the last to get stuff when it becomes popular, but you can now regularly find bts albums in stores (and others like blackpink.) Hell our anime stores (which we only got in the last 2 years before that you had to get anime stuff from overseas and anime has been popular in nz long before that) has a dedicated kpop section because it sells so well. Kpop becsme mainstream and readily available faster than even anime did thanks to BTS.
@@hannahorse16 isn't that what i mentioned before. The other groups do well even in the countries they couldn't have even imagined and it's bc Bangtan opened doors for them but they don't acknowledge it. Also these groups might have become popular, but aren't mainstream artists. They have high numbers of listeners/streams only in their release week. And they haven't really become successful in the US, all the articles, saying "they are the next BTS" is just the mediaplay, so how did kpop become mainstream in the US? It's just BTS, but not k-pop, and we don't box them into one.
@@ChinmayeeSri yeah it make my blood boil and increases my bp🥺🤣🤣
Anime music paved the way, lol!
BTS took all the bullets, all the hatred, prejudice and insults thrown at them coz they're the first one to do everything.... They took all the hardships and that's why others coming after them didn't face any of it....
Well, they probably will face racism, xenophobia, and hate, but it will never be as much as what BTS had to face and endure.
they still do. Do you watch those video or edits of "kpop groups on Omegle" wether its a female or male group, people who don't stan kpop automatically assumes its bts....wether its a MALE or FEMALE idol. It's quite hilarious. That speaks a lot on who they think is running the industry. Not to mention the #1 insult is "gay" "are you a girl" (cough cough* indirect homophobia cough*)
Exactly my point, now kpop group can go in the states and get interviewed without less hate or weird comments and if their leader play their cards right get major love from the public.
BTS from a nearly bankrupt company managed to outran kpoppies faves with big 3 company privilege. That alone doesn't fail to make me goosebumps.
No sh*t, the insult never ends. Luckily, now BTS has something to brag about.
And that is also why I believe BTS did not get military exemption. The big 3 made sure of it. They think if BTS disappear from the eye their groups will be seen as the next BTS. What they don't realise is if you try to snuff out someone else candle, it won't made yours shine brighter. If you dig a ditch for someone else you will end up falling into it. Keep praying for BTS ARMYs. God be with them.
All the Corrupt 3 managed to accomplish is to make sure none of their mediocre pots-and-pans-sounding groups will EVER get military exemption. Because if BTS didn't get it, then no else could ever be worthy. If they push for exemptions for their groups, those boys would be buried in the court of public opinion and their careers would be deader than dead.
BTS turned down military exemption because they wanted to serve their county the way every other male has.
I don’t understand why this has to be such a controversial topic. I thought it was obvious that BTS paved the way there’s no argument against it 😅 (Edit: I’m not an old army who’s been here since 2013, I only became a fan in 2021 after hearing Butter and became an army this year. But even in that little bit of time I could tell how much bts impacted kpop, they didn’t invent kpop but they definitely made it more known so other kpop idols would be more known)
Envy... Haters have always been and will be.
I love kpop and I’m not much of an army but I will defend bts with my life🤞
BTS put K-POP on the map. Period.
They introduced K-pop to the world.
But mark my word, except for buying a few awards here n there, k-pop is not going to see any growth now. They are being favored only so that BTS will be downgraded. If k-pop thinks they are so cool n perfect, it's going to change soon . Poor axsholes
🔥🔥🔥😌no doubt
True
Not only that they literally put S-Korea on the map again, actually as a very respectable nation
@@lalzawnglianasailo8000 😭😭hel-
As someone who has known k-pop since 2nd gen and also as an army I would say this video was perfect!! No one can deny 1&2nd gen grps contribution to kpop but it's also true that BTS paved the way!
BTS entry into American industry was an accident bcauz they didn't promote themselves to target that grp of audience...but nowadays it's sad to see that companies target American music industry as success and exploit 4th gen idols..
It's sad to see these companies r in a hurry to make nxt BTS or push their grps to be popular without giving them the creativity time to grow & mature in music
I've notice it too, seems like they're forcing their idols to be the next BTS
@@iDoNtHavEThiNk31 and they will fail
@@reiang9637 so true...
@@iDoNtHavEThiNk31 while hating on bts
This only tells one thing
THEY ARE JEALOUS OF BTS 🤣🤣🤣
@@reiang9637 😌😌🔥🔥
I've been a kpop fan since 1st generation. During 1st generation, kpop was only popular to minimal Asians in the US. 2nd generation, kpop grew more fans in Asian fans. This is when Bi Rain, Se7en, and BoA tried in the US but failed. Big Bang was when kpop grew more during 2nd Gen but Taeyang's solo album was what brought more kpop fans and even some Americans started to listen. But when BTS came, they really were the ones who paved the way for kpop to grow globally. During 3rd generation I didn't intervene in kpop much anymore but I still hear about those that were becoming famous. BTS was the most famous kpop and that is when I went back into kpop life. So as someone who has been a kpop fan since the very beginning, don't hate but BTS did pave the way for kpop globally. Without them, kpop would have stayed in Korea and very minimal globally.
I'm was armyblink. But recently blackpink trying to steal others idol achievements without hesitation. Even their recently released song "The girls " was full about hate toward bts & others kpop idols. And I felt ashamed of being a blink. So I left this toxic fandom forever. And will stay just army forever. I want to say something to blinkarmy as a ex - blink, :-
How can you still love liars who don’t achieved anything but steal others credits & never communicate with their fan. I just share my own opinion. So no hates to others blinks (who still ridiculously support their hilarious ig models). I'm sry but not feeling bad. (Obviously not, after leaving bp, I felt quite easy).
Agreed 100% I honestly liked blackpink a lot back then actually loved them was not a blink exactly but one thing I've noticed for sure and that is the truth that fame really got over blackpink that is for a fact that is so noticeable tbh and specially lying about something you've never did just proves it even more.
"Bp trying to steal other idol achievements" "full of hate for other idols" LMAO SO DRAMATIC. Bro chill, when did they do or say any of these stupid things???😂🖐 In "The Girls" Lisa just said "paved the way" as another rapping brag, yall need to calm down. Just say you hate bp and move on, no need to pretend like "oh i was a blink" like shut up
@@jangwonive No hates, blackpink will soon go to down position because from next month, they will go to their own path (they will go to solo not as a band anymore because of their resigned contract with yg company). YG remove all Blackpink presence from their officials website already and put baby monster recent content. And we all when a famous group break or go to solo on their own path, they cant secure their position as 1st always from biggest example BTS( svt replaced BTS in this year because of their f*** ing solo project but still hype didnt remove bts content from their officials website but YG finally did which indirectly means blackpink no more will active as a group.) So lets just wait for time & no hates but more rookies gg nowadays doing better than Blackpink.
@@user-qq9se8eu8o when is yg removing bp from their website??? Where are you finding these things? The deep depths of your butt? Every group comes to an end and bp is one of the few that will survive from separation bcuz surprise surprise kiddo, Blinks are just as big(not as united tho, i admit that) as armies. Each girls have very much comfortable platform to stand on even without bp as a group. Literally, Jisoo has been booked by Dior and Jennie is already in another tv show. With more and more content, Blinks will be fed and you can bet that the pinks won't go down. Why are you wishing for that so much???
@@user-qq9se8eu8o "no hate" "no hate" literally shut up. This is hate. Accusing them of "hating other idols & bts" and stealing achievements(this is even more ridiculous). Fans like you are even more annoying than antis bcuz atleast antis are honest with their hatred🙄🙄
It's not even debatable, of course they did. The main thing kpop should learn from BTS is to embrace individuality and stop focusing on competition (which Korean culture is notorious for).
This
Facts. Individuality is missing.
And dont show hypocrisy and like she said paying respect to them who rold the world who are u even🙄
Anime music paved the way, lol!
That's funny. Half of everyone in the comments of one remix seems to know that Калуські вечорниці is Ukrainian even though the channel of a remix of it they commented on is called Russian Deep. They even know the song is not Russian! Is this unintelligence?
BTS paved the way and others won't admit it because of ego they hold 💀
@@enepar5809 some of kpop groups doesn't even have half of youtube views bts has and there fans still got audacity to look upon bts 🤦♀️
You spilled. FACTS. Also, that clip showing the American reporters being so rude to BTS makes my blood boil. How hard is it to be nice and a decent human being?
K-pop industry is basically an aesthetic industry, the difference between BTS and other k-pop idols is bcz BTS are true musicians and artists rather than just defining themselves as an aesthetic idol group. They had authentic messages in their lyrics, versatility in their discography, what they create influenced the people that listened to them organically and musically, not just pleasing aesthetically. They did it alone with ARMY by their side, we built this road together with our blood sweat and tears. It's too ignorant to deny they paved the way I hope people wake up and check their facts, stop being delusional you jealous peeps 👐
as a 2017 army I've seen this happen real time from bts getting gradually more popular to kpop stans going from loving them to hating bc of jealousy
I would love to tell myself from 2017 to check out BTS. Cause I feel like I missed out on so much. Also it’s crazy how people can go from celebrating a group and being proud of them to being jealous that they’re so popular and that other groups aren’t that popular
agree.
@@maggierappa417 it had already started in late 2016 but after their first bbma people were ruthless it was sad to see. I'm glad bts have armys in the end!
Thank God I was not army that time. I might have lost whatever peace left in me back then. But still I wish BTS to grow more abundantly with gaining all the support n respect from everyone. 💜
I know right? It’s disgusting. Kpop fans always want to be unique by insulting BTS, who have worked harder and longer and SINCERELY than their favs. They used to love bts for underdog but when they got “too successful” they have to insult them? It’s pathetic
I'm from America and have been listening to K-pop since 2009, so I have experienced a lot of everything she said. Girl's Generation's "Gee" and Wonder Girls' "Nobody" were a "watch this video its different" and then they faded away. Same thing happened with Psy, he was considered a one-hit-wonder or a passing fad. There was no mainstream talk of K-pop until BTS won Top Social Artist at Billboard in 2017. Yes there were K-cons before that, one that BTS even preformed at, but it was still very niche. I would say K-pop is still very niche in America, I have met only one person in real life that knew of any group other than BTS and only two others that had listened to BTS themselves. Americans (as a whole, not every person) tend to stick to the things they like and not divert from it. Of the seven people I have seriously tried to show BTS too only two have had any interest at all. People like what they like and I'm ok with that. I know the name Drake, but I could not tell you one of his songs, I guarantee I have heard them before but I would not know it was him. I think BTS are similar in this sense, people know the name BTS and have probably heard one of their songs before but did not actually know it was them. K-pop on the other hand doesn't have even this notoriety, they are not even known as individual groups, just simply as "K-pop."
Hopefully no one takes any offense to this, this is just what I have observed through my own K-pop journey over the years.
@@BTSISMYHAPPYPLACE4VER Most likely yea, guess I'm moving 😄
This is very accurate. I can only name two Drake songs myself but I know exactly who he is. Many people take that to mean an artist isn't that popular but it's actually a testament to how deeply they've penetrated the pop culture narrative; especially in this digital era where you can almost fully control what music you hear. A music listener that doesn't venture near any kpop circles still knowing the name 'BTS' is the definition of mainstream.
People might know the name BTS but they do not know any of their songs. I wouldn't consider them mainstream at all! They get zero radio play unless you live in LA or NY. The expression "pave the way" implies that their presents in the music industry have made it easier for other K-pop groups to promote, which isn't the case. It has made it worse.
@@MoonstruckMame The paved the way discussion is over. The idols themselves have already said what they said. It's done.
@@monimuppet6132 Which idols?
Love how you presented and backed all the arguments. We Armys just wanted people to accept all their undeniable achievements. Thanks for this
That's funny. Half of everyone in the comments of one remix seems to know that Калуські вечорниці is Ukrainian even though the channel of a remix of it they commented on is called Russian Deep. They even know the song is not Russian! Is this unintelligence?
I could just imagine what was going through RM's heart and mind hearing those rude people back in 2017. The other members may not have understood them but he did and that must have hurt.
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it's almost 2023 and kpop stans still can't accept a literal fact. BTS DID PAVE THE WAY. and I find it so funny to see people go "oh but 2nd gen did it" or "BTS wouldn't exist without 2nd gen". if that's the case then I can also say your faves wouldn't exist in us without BTS. the way y'all are able to watch your faves goof around and have their own shows is because of BTS. the way y'all are able to get subtitles on your faves' videos is because of BTS. the way y'all can buy you faves' merch or albums in us is because of BTS. I sometimes think don't they feel embarrassed? like when their idols themselves accept it(yes stays I'm looking at y'all), then why are they still butthurt about it. and I find it so funny to see some 4th gen stans act brave now. like recently I saw some stays go "SKZ DESERVES TO GET A GRAMMY NOMINATION MORE THAN BTS" and I swear to god I laughed, I legit laughed. the conclusion is majority of kpop stans don't want to accept the fact that BTS DID PAVE THE WAY because they ARE jealous and they don't want to accept it, instead they always discredit BTS of their achievements. you won't see a kpop stan deny shinee invented dance practices but you'll find atleast one person shit on BTS if we say they paved the way or mention of their global achievements.
Lot of stay are delulu, domt try to reason with them , they ll drag you into a crazy world of discussion without an end. I just cant beleive their ego when actually Bangchan is giving praise to BTS, those stays should learn to be humble like their leader... or maybe the leader should teach them how to be actually humble. Ex RM was asked in multiple us interview how crazy army was, and our leader RM corrected the interviewers by saying that army wasnt crazy but enthousiastic people of diff ages. Thats called, being a leader.
Some fans can be really crazy but please let's not waste our energy on them. They don't deserve our attention. And don't forget that even if some fans from a fandom do crazy stuff to us it doesn't mean that the all fandom is like that. I'm an Army and a Stay, and it's really difficult these days because of the little fan war between the two.
@@mayma1508 Actually Chan is a really great leader too. He sometimes scolds us Stay about our behavior but you know how fandom works. There will be always some fans who do some crazy stuff
I think it's partly because K-pop fans G4 are just immature kids, their actions and thoughts are being influenced a lot by emotions without knowing right from wrong.
@@uyluong3013 oh come on, dont try this card of immature kids, 4 gen fans doesnt mean their ages are around teenagers. Dont play dumb with us, you are actually know the range of their ages is wider than that. I ve actually have discussion with 4 gen fans who are in their thirties and doing really really cheap things. So please dont use the immature card.
Let's be honest..most of us got to know about kpop cause of BTS
Agree.
True,I remember first hearing about them around 2016 but never officially knew them until early this year
Of course yeah💜
Not me though eventually they were the BG that further pushed me into kpop 💕
True though
The yg artists saying "hip hop is cool vibes " and hinting that they paved the way gave me major secondhand embarrassment. THEYRE SO CRIMGE IM GETTING GOOSEBUMPS. Lmao.
African Army always getting forgotten. 😪😪 BTS are popular in Africa too. And they're the reason we know what Kpop even is.... 🤷🏽♀️
Newjeans paved the way lol everyone knows that lol.
@@jameshenrysmith okay 🤡🤡🤡🤡
In fact one can't accept such a claim as "BTS paved the way." because Slumdog Millionaire is real.
@@jameshenrysmith you're just spewing jargon atp
The story is nobody paved the way kpop is still cringe.
Keep going girl. I support and love all the videos you have done!
Bts paved the way!
Anime music paved the way, lol.
That's funny. Half of everyone in the comments of one remix seems to know that Калуські вечорниці is Ukrainian even though the channel of a remix of it they commented on is called Russian Deep. They even know the song is not Russian! Is this unintelligence?
Me too 💜
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The point you made about the world music market was spot on. Kpopies sneer at “Western” validation, blatantly ignoring numbers and influence. A video on the reality of BTS’ actual worldwide numbers in comparison to other groups, both worldwide and K-pop would be illuminating.
They sneer at Western validation while bragging about the crumbs their Kpuppets pick up in the West! Barking about BTS Hot 100 number 1's but celebrating their Kpuppets BB 200 entries with 20 album versions. Laughing about BTS not winning the Grammys while crying when their six year old groups continue to fail getting a "New Artist" Grammy nom. Hypocrisy at its finest!
They sneer at the Western validation then they drool at the same validation for their favs, the hypocrisy is real😆😆😆
@@anthyavila9726 It's not that they don't care it's just pure envy. One of the seven deadly sins.
Anime music paved the way, lol!
@@jameshenrysmithstill very niche compared to kpop's influence in the west. Though the only people who are comparable are yoasobi, but still, majority of them are still niche. Though i dont think japan cares too much about western audience, considering they have the second largest music industry that most japanese/koreans dominates.
BTS PAVED THE WAY FOR EVERYONE!
I can understand why a lot of legends in K-pop industry (Seo Taiji and 1st gen) accept that BTS paved the way cuz those people still have the essence of music before K-pop was saturated and lost their origins during 2nd and 3rd gen. They’re the closest to when K-pop is founded based on the influence of Black music. Like Epik High, one of BTS role models, whose music carries true message.
Btw, incredibly well-made video! You covered every point, brought up very strong arguments and FACTS that no one can deny. Thank you very much for your effort! 💜
Newjeans paved the way lol everyone knows that lol.
Anime music paved the way, lol.
In fact one can't accept such a claim as "BTS paved the way." because Slumdog Millionaire is real.
The story is nobody paved the way kpop is still cringe.
I disagree with the claim that BTS paved the way. I think the Vietnam war might have paved the way.
I think that one of the other problems that K-Pop groups have is that their music is just noise. There aren't any deeper meanings to their music. They aren't willing to 'rock the boat' the way that BTS did when they started talking about mental issues, social issues, etc the way that BTS didn't shy away from. BTS is willing to put that out there and stand up for that. They have a story to tell and damn if they don't do a great job with it. When the other groups start talking about things the way that BTS did, then they will start having more of an impact on the music industry. Until then, they will fail.
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain this to people from other fandoms or people in different platforms. 2nd generation stars like Big Bang, Rain and Psy did have success in the western market but it was ONLY their success. They had as we say in America “no coattails”. They did not have the power or officiated fan base to bring along with them the K-Pop industry but BTS did AND the did it through their own blood, sweat and tears without the infrastructure of the Big 3 companies nor their connections with the Korean media. It was a shock to their systems but not necessarily a catalyst for change in those companies or within the media. EVERYBODY’s egos took a beating and they STILL haven’t learned.
Only psy who succed in western market. The other two is not.
@@kusir9337 Agree. Not sure why people keep trying to claim any other act besides psy was relevant at the time.
Rain and Bigbang doesn't even have a single hit in the US as Psy did lmao
Anime music paved the way, lol!
Must appreciate all of their hardwork even though they didn't get on the top how BTS went🙏🫶🏻
Thats why BTS is different and have great impact.. Because they are genuine
Please man, without BTS I wouldn’t even be watching dramas and really being fully submerged in the culture lol like they made me more interested in Korean entertainment just give them their flowers and stop the hate! You don’t have to like BTS or be rude and nasty, just keep it pushing and go about your day 😤
Bts paved that way whether people like it or not BTS will be talked about in history books, college/universities studies. They have made people who don't speak a lick of Korean want to travel to Korea learn Korean culture/food. A Korean band came to the United States and dominated charts took over award shows and still not given credit men lie women lie but #s don't lie. I know Kpop has been around for long time but I didnt know anything about Kpop till Bts and disrespect to other Kpop artist but Bts isn't just Kpop they cross off ALL music genres and how they started most people love an underdog story and Bts is that underdog, I learned that alot of Kpop artist have a short shelf life they disband after a few yrs or some go solo BTS is still here 10 yrs + and doing solo project at this point BTS competition is only BTS.
yeah 💜💜💜
Anime music paved the way, lol!
Numbers do lie. If the Antichrist is using fictions.
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I never understood the animosity between ARMY and Blinks... until now. I like Jennie, but she cannot possibly say with honesty that they paved the way
BTS would never say that about themselves although it's true. BP daring to claim they did/are doing it is just ridiculous
But she didn't say that though? She didn't say that they, BP specifically, paved the way. Not that I recall she did lol. Wasn't it more along the lines of they would LIKE to be seen as one of those groups that helps pave the way? It was more of an aspiration kind of thing...
Okay, I looked it up real quick just to be sure but yeahhh, she never claimed that they were the ones to pave the way. All she said was that she HOPES BP is a group that can help open up doors for other foreign artists, kpop idols included, and inspire them to share their music with the world, just like her seniors did before them. It was in response to a question about her thoughts on being a part of the kpop movement.
She never said that bruh wth .. black pink documentary even featured BTS in a small part stop blindly hating someone
I remember some journalists asked BTS on some red carpet in America what other groups they think will be successful in the US or what other groups the American music industry should pay attention to or something like that. And I remember the boys paused for a second and then said, "BTS!" I remember thinking, "Oh, come on, that's a little dickish. You could at least name some groups you admire or are friends with." But then I had to watch the vitriol towards BTS among other fandoms grow and multiply for no reason other than their success, and I thought, "You know what? Why should they promote other groups and artists? Those people did less than nothing for BTS, and their fanbases were toxic beyond reason*. Screw those guys and their disgusting fans. Maybe if those people spent as much time and energy promoting their faves as they did hating on BTS and sending them vile messages, their idols would be the ones answering that question on that red carpet." So yeah, eff you, guys, you're on your own. Especially those who don't name BTS as their influence when they clearly are.
* Taehyung may have moved on but I'm still livid over the things that were hurled at him after his grandmother passed away. Even 6 years later, I still want to unalive those people.
Incidentally, no hate on ATEEZ - I personally think they're a fine group and even if they haven't cited BTS as their influence (I'm not sure) they've at least said they were fans - but this group would have been much better if they were less derivative. No other group screams "we want to be BTS in every aspect including being an underdog from a small agency" as loudly as ATEEZ. Making them do a bajilion BTS covers doesn't help, either.
Also, that's not a future video suggestion, especially because it would take an insane amount of time to research that, but I'd love to see a video about how so many groups decided to do complex multimedia storylines after BTS succeeded with the BU but failed to understand what makes the BU actually successful. My personal theory: Bangtan's music videos are artistically and aesthetically magnificent, and the story and symbolism in them make sense within the constraints of that one video. The overarching storyline is a pleasant bonus for those who are interested to dig deeper and is not necessary for enjoying the MVs. A lot of other groups make their music videos incomprehensible unless you've been following every single step of the story like it's homework you're going to be graded on. And, as a hilarious side effect, some other fandoms go out of their way to analyze their faves' MVs and make them out to be deeper than they actually are, retroactively tying them to completely unrelated earlier MVs just because BTS have had some connected MVs. As Oscar Wilde said, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.
For real though! A friend was trying to get me into another group and told me it’s really cool because they have all this lore that is all connected. And I was like…no thanks I don’t want to have to study years of content to make this one 3 minute performance make sense. 😂
@@GracePiteo right?? Lore should be optional, not mandatory. The only thing that should be mandatory is good music.
@@hakasims absolutely! And it shouldn’t be the only reason to like a group. If I wanted intense lore I would read more fantasy books. I just want good music with powerful and relatable messages made by genuine people. That’s why I love BTS.
It was embarrassing seeing Jennie stumble through her words while claiming that they paved the way 😖
She didn’t say she pave the way, she said she also wishes to pave the way like how her seniors did! You probably should do ur research more before commenting 😑
Popularity wise black pink is definitely up there. And you can't deny that. She never said they paved the way , she only said she wanted to contribute. I remember when I was a baby army I disliked BP because of armys talking badly about them. Jealousy is one of the main reasons between army-blink conflict .
girl wish I could hug you tight to let you know how much i love your channel and the amazing videos and ideas and the way you put them so clearly. a gem truly a gem for army's voice are you.
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@@norabeckwith6893 u are the one who delusional
@@norabeckwith6893 k.
Anime music paved the way, lol!
That's funny. Half of everyone in the comments of one remix seems to know that Калуські вечорниці is Ukrainian even though the channel of a remix of it they commented on is called Russian Deep. They even know the song is not Russian! Is this unintelligence?
I love the video and you made every point crystal clear. What i would like to add to further the discussion (or maybe you could touch on this in a future video): how the US market is not just objectively the biggest / most powerful music market and taste-maker, but it was VITAL for the survival of k-pop in the context of the 2 main target markets of kpop "closing" their doors for extended periods of time, leaving the already oversaturated kpop industry in a huge conundrum (since their home market couldn't sustain the evergrowing number of groups debuting with no actual domestic DEMAND).
1. First China with the kpop ban (and we know the biggest achievements and bragging points, as well as revenue pipes were coming from Chinese fandoms for all Big 3 leading groups in kpop). Unlike them, BTS has been growing an international fanbase and especially a strong core fandom in US since 2014, so by the time the "ban" in China hit, they were least affected.
2. Then Japan with its anti-Korean sentiment and kpop being the 'hostage' and cannon fodder in the 2 countries' tension filled relations over the years. One of the main arguments people use to 'debunk' the idea that BTS paved the way it is the fact that BOA, Kara, TVXQ, Girl Generation and Big Bang had success in Japan BEFORE BTS. What all those people willingly ignore is the fact that aforementioned acts didn't 'pave the way' for anyone in Japan, as seen by the lack of similar achievements or market share by any of their hoobae groups from their labels. Just like PSY made a splash for himself in US and then vanished and with him any mention of kpop until BTS came along, the same thing happened in Japan. BTS had no 'senior' artist to open their way in Japanese market, since they were from Big Hit. So, just like it happened in all other corners of the world, they built their fandom from scratch. BOA, BB, KARA, TVXQ didnlt 'introduce or recommend' BTS to their fandoms, they didn't give BTS any advantage points in Japanese music industry. There was no mainstream presence of Kpop in Japan, it was all a core fandom affair and it was all limited to a handful of artists that went in that market first. The difference? They all did it playing by the Japanese idol market rules and bowing to the language. But BTS, while releasing Japanese albums, didn't make their entire identity in Japan as something catering to them, on the contrary, it was their global appeal and achievements that made Japan tune in and see who these Asian artists who were making splashes in USA were and to wanna join the hype, not because they were hoobaes of TVXQ or BOA or KARA, not because they were kpop idols, but DESPITE them being Korean. Want more proof that BTS was actually the one 'paving the way' In Japan for the current generations, just like they did in USA? Look no further than the records BTS set in Japan. All of them were set before they even debuted and no other Kpop artist was able to come close or surpass all that boom the handful of kpop artists experienced ages ago. Japanese market had shrunken considerably, making kpop companies' lives even worse after the Chinese floodgates closed as well. BTS not only revided the kpop presence in Japan, but are the ones that have gained mainstream consciousness as GLOBAL POP artists. They outstreamed Japanese artists and outsold japanese groups in their home market.
So yes, even if people hate to admit it, BTS gave kpop its 'shine' and avenues in both the top 2 biggest music markets in the world: US and Japan. What Psy and these artists have done in US and Japan is not what helped 3rd and 4th and 5th generations stand a chance in US and Japan, because BOTH markets were dead or already stale BEFORE BTS came in. Those artists not only didn't help their own companies junior artists, but reached a point where they weren't even helping themselves.
-And not only did BTS revive kpop in 2016-2019, but they also saved it in 2020/21. When pandemic came, no kpop companies were ready and equipped to cope with the loss of events revenue and no audience policy.
It was BTS & ARMY who showed everyone that online concerts were a thing as long as you had the demand and the know how. BH had been experimenting with the online streaming since 2017 and they used ARMY for trial & error, as well as for gauging global demand.
It was BTS that showed everyone that pre-recorded contents could be a way to not only maintain visibility, but also engage new audiences. BTS literally gave everyone the recipe to survive through and post pandemic, opened again avenues for all the other groups because they created a bridge and network toward US entertainment / media industry that didn't exist before. Everything 4th and 5th generation kpop groups and their companies have been born into is something BTS took the brunt for experimenting first. And yes, something ARMY was the guinea pig for. It was the power of ARMy that opened a world of opportunities that all these companies and their idols and their fandoms would have never been given, unless we demonstrated it was fesible and lucrative for all parties involved.
Todo lo que dijiste es verdad e increible... este tipo de comentarios y videos, deberían ser vistos por todo ARMY y no ponerse a ver videos reaccion de personas que se lucran de BTS
Waaaoow army... your facts are 🔥 🔥 🔥.... hats off to you for stating the facts which I as an Army never knew ... wish I could like your comment infinite times ... 💜💜💜💜
A lengthy comment but worth the time 💯 keep going !
Yep, once BTS made the online concert a thing, everybody were doing the same thing, they didnt get more than 900,000 viewers, the second at the list only did 200,000..... and kpopies kerp talking bs.
As other comments mentioned, this is a wonderful mini-essay. Well worth a read.
I think the ones who struggle to accept that BTS paved the way the most are the fans. I get it tho, to a degree. For many years other groups, including those in BTS’ generation, were regarded as the best in the industry. The best kpop had to offer. Achieving incredible achievements in different areas on their own.
Then suddenly, a group not from the BIG 3, with minimal industry support, and a small (but growing) fandom is suddenly propelled to international fame and is lauded as the face of the kpop industry (completely bypassing their favs who have been making kpop history for years before BTS). I get it. It’s truly a tough pill to swallow. And it’s not like it only happened once, BTS has been growing and usurping every single one of their peers for at least 5 years now.
So I understand why they push back and want to cling onto relevancy for their favs. They don’t want their favs accomplishments to be forgotten. They don’t want the history of their group to be overshadowed.
I get it…but at a certain point you have to accept reality. Those fans can stay in understandable denial for as long as they like but that doesn’t change the fact that BTS has paved a way so unfathomable that it will likely take decades to surpass them (IF that ever happens). It’s gotten to the point that even the BIG 3 has accepted that BTS has paved the way bc otherwise they wouldn’t have become partners with HYBE (im looking at you YG) and crafted groups with the intention of mimicking BTS’ success. Those companies and their idols might not say it publicly but they know who’s at the top and they know who’s goals they aspire to match and exceed. So that just leaves fans who desperately and understandably want their favs to receive recognition, even if that means denying the blatant truth that BTS PAVED THE WAY.
- a loyal second gen stan and 2015 ARMY
The fact tht they started with a company which was getting bankrupted but then managed to come this long far away with only the help of their hardwork & talent (maybe little bit of luck) is truly mesmerizing. So much respect for them. They didn’t have to do media play,ads,manipulation to come this far. Thts wht making others not to accept tht BTS paved the Way. Bcuz con artists can never accept a real Artist.
They first won International Award only less than of their debut. They did it before having any official Western Collaboration. They r just a kpop band whos ruling international Music Industry. All these success made people mad. Thts why there are lot of people who struggle to accept BTS.
Well BTS legit paved the way ..
Cause in my country nobody even knew what k-pop was
until BTS came and about gangam style when it was released i was small i thought it was in my language only and got to know that it was in Korean only after i was introduced to BTS ..😅 like 2 years back
Same
You left me speechless, you really work hard to present us how great and hard working is BTS and why become to be the best, I’m older and the 90’s was great music but never heard about kpop music until BTS in 2017, and I said old is because BTS can be my own kids age. So I can say if wasn’t for them non of the other groups will be known well maybe in Asia but not in the western music, maybe the jkop can be more heard for the video games or animes and that’s all. So for the ones still don’t believe that BTS paved the way, i feel sorry because they DID! Thank you so much young sis!! Bangtan forever 💜💜💪🏻 of course after NKOTB (my first fandom)
Bangtan forever 🥺💜💜🔥💜🔥🔥💜🔥💜
Anime music paved the way, lol!
Bts paved the way 💜
Fr.
It's been 3 days since Boracity magazine uploaded this video and you can still see triggered kpop stans in the comments, especially Blinks, exols, stays, 2nd generation stans, vips, elfs, carats and monbebs, harassing BTS and trying to put millions of excuses of why BTS didn't and cannot pave the way.
Y'all embarrassing af!! Nobody cares about what you have to say, BTS is the biggest band in this century and YES they paved the way, the sooner you accept it, the better it will be for your brain, PERIODT!
Stop crying and accept that BTS PAVED THE WAY
THANK YOU
I think this is a statement that shouldn't be used for fanwars because it's not Just something to brag about without even knowing what it means. After five years in this fandom, I do believe the armys who waste tweets trying to prove BTS is better than xyz groups and use the fact that BTS paved the way to downgrade others are useless for the fandom. Armys should focus on bangtan. And the rest should accept that BTS paving the way doesn't mean their favs' achievements are not valid. Fans need to stop being so insecure about their idols' success.
THIS 👍
lesson for today: DON'T BE DLUSIONAL AND JEALOUS!! BE GRATEFUL!! (even tho, i do know that 'they' would keep on ignoring this but we know that BTS Karma is for real ^^)
cause girrlll this video literally hit the spot!!
Ikr whenever someone mention that kpopies hate BTS bc of jealousness they will deny it by saying "no we hate them bc of their fans" and also they say "why BTS always win all the awards" i mean they don't wanna mention how much BTS has done for their group 🙂
@@noone8749 It’s not our fault they keep winning,they’re just too good,ain’t nobody doing it like them
@@kimkardashianlostearring5277facts ✨
@@kimkardashianlostearring5277 slayyy 😎
@@noone8749 award seasons are so funny like these fans could've easily voted for their faves instead of crying over BTS winning every single award...I mean it's not our fault that their faves don't have enough fans 🥴
ARMYs this, ARMYs that, BTS this, BTS that like dude mind your own business for god's sake!
The thing about the whole skz is the next bts thing pisses me off... no hate to the group... i love them, i love stays... its just that it annoys me when they call them the next bts... THERE IS NO 'NEXT BTS'... bts was a unique phenomenon that cannot be recreated... is skz gonna gain immense popularity in the coming years, YES... they have so much potential just waiting to be cracked... but are they the next BTS, NO... its disrespectful to both skz and bts fr
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Stray Kids are the first Stray Kids, just like BTS are the first and only BTS. The two groups really aren't comparable at all, they're very different - which is a GOOD thing!
What's skz?
@mariaelenacondorirosas2435 it's the short form of Stray Kids, which is a 4th gen group under JYPE
I live in the States and I'm telling y'all KPOP itself is not as big as BTS themselves. I see some groups making headway, probably the biggest is BP but they are not a household name here like BTS. I truly believe BTS opened that gate and it mostly closed behind them. Americans are stubborn and like what they like. Most want to hear English (which I don't fully understand cause music is music) and most don't like the makeup and more feminine aesthetics of the boy groups. Yes, it's becoming more normal here but Americans can't seem to distinguish between stage personas and real life, ngl. When BTS comes to America I notice they go lightly on the makeup, other male groups do not and it's commented on.
I'm just saying if KPOP really wants to flourish here they have to make a few adjustments. I know some will complain that it's not KPOP anymore if they change things but it is what it is.
True. Different strokes for different folks. It's very natural to have a preference toward certain sounds and aesthetics. What isn't necessary is the judgment, vitriol, and downright discrimination against the non-preference. But even in a fair world, different people in different places will still like different things. So if you're an artist looking to be popular in a variety of places, your work will have to have a crossover appeal. I don't consider it "selling out" to go after being popular in a multitude of markets. It all depends on whether or not the adjustments you make are still authentic to you. Some artists naturally have that mass appeal already. The Idol package is very purposefully aimed at a certain age demographic, regardless of market. It's also so very gender specific; bbs are for girls and ggs are for guys. Of course many ppl that fall outside the target demo will legitimately enjoy kpop but the point is the potential audience is very limited because of this narrow tactic. There are too many out-of-touch CEOs and exces running the Idol industry and their Idols don't get any opportunity to stretch their creative wings. That handful of involved groups that have more freedom everyone likes to name are not enough to pull the entire industry onto the global stage. Kpop can stay where it is and still make money but it seems industry heads aren't satisfied with that. If they want more then, as you said, they're going to need to make some adjustments. There's a point when you can no longer blame the stubborn music listener if you're stubborn yourself. BTS has shown that it is possible to get even the most stubborn of people to meet you halfway.
@@monimuppet6132 Well said! 🔥💜👏
You’d find that most people like music in a language they understand so technically, Americans are just like any other country in this regard. Francophones prefer French music, Hispanic prefer Spanish, anglophones prefer english, Koreans prefer… you guessed it? Korean music. So yeah, I agree with everything you said but that part because it’s pretty logical and normal. Discriminating and hating something isn’t, but not listening to music in another language isn’t hate necessarily. Hope that makes sense
This is because people seem to think it is one or two aspects that made BTS what they are. When that isn't it. Kpop and every industry has many aspects bts has. They aren't the only one to write their lyrics or dance or sing or have beginnings in hip hop, or be underdoags or have socially relevant songs, or have guts to address politicians via their lyrics when it is that easy to get blacklisted, or have a alternate universe run through their music etc. People will bring up someone who has does 2 or 3 of these as a comparison.
What makes BTS is their legacy. Not only do they do all of the things mentioned above at a level that remains unique to them alone. Their legacy runs over minimum 10 years (if you don't count predebut).
It's the Attitude of both their then company made of a few extraordinary minds, that inculcated it into them, moulding them into self sufficient artists. That is not something you can recreate. That kind of perseverance is rare in any industry. Especially considering how every year they have put so much work. Even their capability to accept and speak up when they are at loss for drive instead of keeping their fans clueless etc. are an example of a phenomenon. It is a mix of the freedom that most of kpop doesn't recieve, and their own well framed mindsets that try hard not to misuse that freedom like many in the west.
Thus it reflects in their music. It's practically impossible to judge their legacy by one's experience with hearing just one or 2 songs. It's a journey to experience and that is why they not only got past their own country by 2016 itself but also sustained besides the evident propaganda of the media.
“Put your hand down! It’s freakin’ America!”. Whoever he is. I hope he received his karma.
Yeah thats what I slowly feel that other groups especially from big3 are very rarely mentioning and interacting with bts. I thinks the agency and fans also play a role in this. Only the soloist, duo or true artist often mentioning bts. First time I realized that I feel sad that bts struggling with making friends in the industry🥺 I see that they are more comfortable with nonceleb friends now. I bet their parners will also come from outside of the industry😁 As long as they are happy and feel peace in life I will always support bts only☺️👌
actually, i started to know kpop bcos of SNSD & T-ara but I listened bts' no more dream in 2013 dec . I really love their music and yes i became an army in 2014 . Now , i only stan BTS . As i said i know kpop since 2nd gen , that's why i totally agree with “bts paved the way” . If you will ignore these facts , it's obvious you don't have zero knowledge abt this industry.
BTS IS NOT JUST KPOP GROUP. THEY ARE WORLD CLASS ARTISTS.
So how do we drill this into every one else’s minds cause everything you said was spot on. Like down to the words. This is exactly what we mean when ARMY say BTS paved the way. They made it easier for other groups to be seen, heard and loved. Now those groups have this opportunity that was given to them to make their own name but they must work harder and stop copying BTS in everything they do. You’re not gonna get anywhere in this music industry copying them. These next two years are gonna be interesting in the kpop industry.
Ya me imagino la manipulación de los medios en desacreditar a BTS, y tambien como Hybe sacara un monton de grupos para "llenar" las contribuciones y ganancias que genera BTS
Anime music paved the way, lol!
That's funny. Half of everyone in the comments of one remix seems to know that Калуські вечорниці is Ukrainian even though the channel of a remix of it they commented on is called Russian Deep. They even know the song is not Russian! Is this unintelligence?
hm
Preach it. People ignoring this literal fact are in the same level of people who says Hybe doesn’t need bts anymore since they have so many groups now like- 🥴 No group will ever get the “credit” BTS name has, let alone other stuff. Their name alone holds so much values to it.
That J-Hope cover photo is fire btw🔥
Tienes razón con lo que dices, piensan que Hybe alcanzo su exito sin ayuda. Pero sabemos que todo es gracias a BTS, pero ni Hybe quiere admitir eso, y por eso esta sacando un monton de grupos para "llenar" los ingresos que genera BTS y decir " tenemos las mayores ganancias sin BTS", pero aun asi se lucran con la popularidad de BTS y la ayuda de ARMY.... y Jhope es tan caliente en la miniatura del video 🔥
@@andrewchavarria3255 sabes edite mi comentario por que acabo de recordar que las personas mas fuertes son las despues de caerse siempre se levantan y BTS siempre han sido fuertes, así que se que no importan los obstaculos ellos van a salir triunfantes =) P.D. tengo una personalidad sobreprotectora y eso hace que aveces me preocupe demaciado =(
Armys please be always loud about BTS achievement and them Paving the way. Since BTS will be in military, these people will try to erase BTS so please be always loud & keep streaming their songs. And please when other army say vote then vote. I see many of you ignore. So please keep buying, streaming & voting and support BTS solo career too
never understood how much industry hurts art before bts and their treatment by the media
Someone in Korea in the rise of bangtan said bts came to rise not because of money or power but coz of its truthful fan base that not easy for some group to get right now. In my opinion let's not mind about what other say about our boys ,let's armies continue to support them with and after their military service. Greed can't help coz they have it all but where are they still our boys come first in everything.
That's in chapter 6
"Jealousy" is not the right word to describe the current situation. BTS had the misfortune of being born in a small country. Everything that happens to them is precisely because of the reason called "psychology of the small country". Korea is a rich and economically developed country, but it still remains a small country, which means that talented people appear in it rarely. This is just a statistic, a normality. In small countries, the big, great talent is born once in several generations. And when he appears, all others who are working in the same art (because music is art) find it extremely difficult to accept him! I have faced exactly the same phenomenon for myself. And I know what happens. All those competitors of yours who have made enormous efforts, made inhuman sacrifices, lost years of their lives, cannot survive that you are much better - better than them. And the truth is that very talented people get everything much easier than others. If a competitor takes, for example, 10 hours a day to do something, a talented person sometimes needs 1-2 hours. This makes the competition even more bitter - to see how the other can achieve what you have been trying to achieve for a long time only with a "click of the finger". Success for a talented person is never 20% talent and 80% work. It is always 80% talent and 20% work. A talented person is free to create, he does not have the limitations of one with less talent. This huge difference in a small country is palpable, it is like a whole abyss. In large countries, where great talents are born much more often, people accept each other's success more calmly and much more professionally. In the big countries, the talented succeeds for absolutely objective and logical reasons and the competition is much more professional - there are no such cruel blows between the competitors, relations are open without hypocrisy, the competition is equal and makes you grow, not suppresses you. I saw the difference , when I went to study in a big country at the age of 10 in a famous school. I think BTS realized the difference when they were accepted by the music industry in America. Other K-pop groups still can't figure out why they didn't succeed and are looking for the reasons for this in BTS rather than their own capabilities. It is much easier to blame a talented and successful person than to realize the fact that you lack enough talent and abilities. I've received accusations like "she doesn't actually allow anyone to be accepted to this famous school after her" - something extremely ridiculous, because I don't have the power to influence the people who make this decision. I am constantly asked the question "what is the secret to getting to these places. Money? Relationships? Who recommended you? What exactly did you do?” Every time I answer the same thing: You just go out and play! That's probably what BTS is responding to: you just go out and sing! It is!
This explanation is going to be too big for many to swallow. 💜
@@monimuppet6132 I am sure that every day they are asked BTS the question: "How did you succeed, what are you hiding?". And everything in front of their eyes is called TALENT!
I think Ateez is also a group that see bts as role models. Wooyoung is the biggest army ever. He constantly expressed his admiration towards bts( especially jimin) He once said that Jimin is his role model and he was amazed seeing Jimin dance and it’s what inspired to work hard in dancing. They might have mention to be able to make music for a long time like Shinhwa because Shinhwa is literally like one of the oldest groups still performing. Ateez didn’t verbally say that Bts paved the way, but they sure do accept it based on their respect towards bts.
Genghis Khan paved the way.
God paved the way.
Anime music paved the way, lol!
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BTS Be The Saviour
One particular fandom neeeds to watch this. They forever trying to bring bts down so their fav can be the one paving the way 🙄🙄🙄
Uwu I know who you are talking about💀
10:33 girl you spilled! We really need more armys like you!
Ya no wonder their fandom is so delutional and toxic . That grp feeds them lies and bs.
@@saul2309 army's news are legit truth that they even provide proof and evidence so if u go search it would be a slap to those haters.unlike other fandom that has nothing else but to share lies and fake information to make them at ease lol.
@@Viral2230 True bruh , i used to stan bp but fr those info are either fake or bs spread by those artists and label. How can someone ride on things which wasn't even theirs to begin with ? Bp have nothing more than BTS except for ig followers and CZcams views . But the things blinks spreads nowadays like i just saw a post saying bp paved for BTS in Instagram since they have lots of followers 🤡.
@@saul2309 yeah its not our mistake if they only want to be insta models😒
@@BTSPAVEDTHEWAYot7army dgaf if they model, act do whatever they want . We are only triggered when BTS being compared to mediocre model grp and blinks boating bp are better than BTS kind of shits . All these beef between fandom stars when other grps use their influence to boast their fake achievement over BTS and other fandom rubbing it on our faces.
BTS paved the way... The truth always hurt hatters. 🇸🇷🇸🇷
BTS was the first k-pop group went viral in my country. Still BTS is the most popular in my country. Whenever someone say the term k-pop then next question will be are u army 😱.. no group did like BTS. If BTS doesn't exist no one knows about k-pop in my country.
It must be hard for newer ARMYs or new kpop fans to realize how big of an impact BTS had on the global music industry and kpop culture. Ive been a fan of kpop since 2011 and became an ARMY in 2014. I myself got bullied and humiliated by my classmates and friends for being into Korean music, there was barely any official merch or albums I can have access to, and the scarcity of content and translations was also a big struggle. AND compare it now where it is already widely accepted, so many access to merch and albums, and having more content and translations being released even within 10 mins of the release. The recognition is just beyond what my 2011 self could ever imagine. Even kpop group's opportunity to be ambassadors of global brands, even the local brands in my area was able to get kpop groups and celebrities as ambassadors. Its crazy, I still have a hard time believing I can finally enjoy these things.
The Native Americans paved the way.
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Anime music paved the way, lol!
@@jameshenrysmith boring
I am nearing my 50's and being Korean, knew about K-pop over the years of my looong life and never have I ever been interested in it. I grew up in The States so my taste ran with American music, but I could never solidify my interests or emotions with it because I could never really relate to any of their contents (even all the hype boy bands here) other than how good it sounded. The content just got worst and worse over the years for my taste...that is until I discovered BTS just two years ago. There are really no words that can describe how "affected" I was by their talents and their artistry. No one before nor after BTS were able to do that. Ever. BTS still continue to blow my mind away. To me, they changed music.
I'm not Korean but my story is similar. I'm 42 and have always considered myself a "fan" of many artists. I don't do anything without music and have always found something in every era and decade that I loved, or at least that's what I thought. Coming across BTS showed me that I had a wall up against getting to know artists and also WHY I had the wall up. BTS made it possible to get so close to their music and to them as artists. For a while I thought perhaps this was the forming of a new habit, I thought maybe I'll feel this way about others now. I soon realized that BTS was an exception. This closeness was only for them because their music & lyrics just made me feel differently. They are one of a kind for me and always will be.
I am 72 years old and I have never been a long term fan of any group (although I have gone through a lot of them lol), until I started listening to them after I lost my husband . In 2017, I heard BSAnd T and I was hooked. I actually joined the Army then and went to 2 of their concerts. Would I do that for another group? Don’t think so. The jealousy from competitors is so evident, but so is the love and loyalty from fans and admirers. I will continue to be a Army and support them as long as I can. For me this is a once in my lifetime group.
By the way, great job Boracity. Your article really hit the nail on the head.
Ty once again for ur honesty and hard work you are really awesome!
The way these ppl were talking to our boys on the red carpet made me really mad WTF is going on with these ppl 😤 haven't seen these clips before . Your awesome boracity and ur work is really important ! Purple you 💜
BTS PAVE THE WAY!!
"put you hands down, it's fucking america" bitch then wait until you take the shot in that freaking america. I was so furious on that I'd have slapped that photographer hard in that face. Xenophobic Loosers
Boracity you're going to make me cry, from the boys who came from nothing, had nothing, were rejected were treated like garbage and dirt both overseas and in their own freaking country, they came to the top to rule all music industries around the entire planet. Karma is a freaking b*tch, im so proud of my boys. I could cry, I'm so happy for BTS. I can't wait for their return in 2025, oh boy, when the biggest group in the world returns, everyone won't see it coming...
Nevermind (edit) Im crying now.
Be strong 🥺😎💜💜💜💜💜
That's why it's so important to stream and vote for them and give equal importance to their solo projects as well because the "industry" is really ready to give the title of "next bts" to their group. Pls stream their songs on all platforms. These 3 years are really crucial for us, pls stay with us army!!!!
The fact that some fans don’t accept this but their idols do.
The fans really have a high ego
Others also said that BTS didn’t pave the way because they made it harder for others to make it as big as BTS. It shows so much of the speaker of such a statement to think that success is owed to them, after someone else made it possible for them to compete to begin with.
I would love someone to do an in-depth analysis of BTS’s depth of lyricism and messages vs the rest of K-pop
BTS paved the way end of the discussion.