the elite 4 of south korea and the ones who deny it
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- čas přidán 1. 05. 2024
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in this video, i overanalyze a tweet for 17 minutes straight because its aftermath was crazy
0:00 the tweet
2:19 the ones who deny the elite four
5:43 two representatives for one field?
7:58 authenticity in kpop
11:46 the elite of k hip hop is bts
13:13 legends don't say they're legends
Funny that, KPop never claimed BTS until they started gaining success and it was undeniable, despite the shade and hate thrown on them by many in that industry. BTS are the ones, who included themselves in that genre, but they also understood they had actually outgrown that KPop label, because they are actually global artists, who have impacted music in so many genres, for so many people and nations. Boracity, is at her best spitting facts as per usual lol 😂😂
Yes after they kicked army as a "joke" from kpop and started spreading misleading information about the Fandom and bangtan trying to break us but when they didn't succeed and bts made " kpop" bigger they started trying to insert bts in it so they can put their favs in the same category as them. They still hate bts and army but they know bys are the top of the chain so if you want to be relevant you have to drag bts name and army.
This is so true. In 2017 BTS were being excluded from kpop bc they were becoming “westernized”, but now the growth of BTS is being treated as the growth of the entire kpop industry
@@neb.9489 literally you will see this whole article about bts and some k groups impact on the music industry or something.. but when you really look at it you'll find that + 50% is just bts doing and the others 50% is just divided between the 50 other artists and the closest to bts has like 10% or something less they make it seem like it's a group project when it not. And the westernized thing 😭😭😭 bts literally only started singing in English in 2020 I've seen groups with English ver songs and albums and no one said anything about it they even started copying bts methods ( releasing songs on Friday, the whole teaser map, trying to attend American shows [ even if they aren't invited they just do some interviews on the red carpet then go away] ) and everyone was supporting them
"Boracity, is at her best spiting fact as per usual" gotta love it 😏
Lol
@@kookiecat1309 yeah, they were like if you can't beet them join them... 🙄
as soon as i saw the title i thought of jay park trying to insert himself into this category when his impact is nowhere near as close.
Not that man 💀
His impact is more contained within Korea but outside, not even close to BTS level huge, heck not even BP level globally to be honest. Anyway feel free to contradict me.
@@natashambulo3510 no need to contradict when you are indeed spitting facts
Dude lesserafim, 50/50 and new jeans are more known (globally) than him even though they are very new to the industry... what impact is he talking about 😫
I know someone that does a lot of celebrity security in LA and his best friend has been a champ MMA fighter. Jay Park tried to insert himself in the MMA as an investor or sponsor for a fighter....everyone hated him after meeting him. He believed he was superior to everyone there. My friend won't even look at BTS and their artistry because the a hole behavior of Jay Park
jay park is super goofy. also, hobi’s response was so diplomatic and carefully worded. i love that man so much!
All BTS members have good communication skills, especially the 4 older ones.
That guy needs to get humbled down lol.Every other day there's a debate about BTS rapline being 'real rappers' or 'k hip hop rappers'.Khip hop fans love to do that even though it's only bts who have been recognized by renowned hip hop artists like Warren G,J Cole,Pharrell Williams (is that the correct spelling?)and many more.Whereas their faves are nowhere to be seen around these artists
@@aaaa-zu6imlmao just 2 days back khh fans were saying BTS rapper aren't legit rappers and the next day, we got a Collab from another black rapper, Latto😭😭 Like they want me to take them seriously when they think Smtm is the standard, the show that strives on stealing from black culture and has been dissed by TigerJk- just goofy as hell. Every damn time, they say things like that, we get another Collab from the actual hip-hop legends.
@@sayantika5151 what khh fans said about bts?
Exactly! I have got so much to learn from him. I can't put my words together like him. He didn't accept his top 4 so respectfully. Cuz like if it was me...I would have called him delulu on the show😭😭
people need to realize that acknowledging BTS' success and impact does not diminish the success and efforts of their fave. like its ok to admit they paved the way doesn't mean that your fave's success is meaningless they did their best and you as a fan of their can acknowledge it, appreciate it and celebrate it instead of trying to force everyone to believe in your own narrative and downplaying BTS' influential success
Absolutely, This is what Army's trying to tell Everyone(the other fandom), But Sadly They can't understand😔
While I agree with everything you said, using the phrase "paved the way" is kinda a moot point as of now. Everyone before BTS has "paved the way". BTS didn't improve and develop out of nothing, they also had influences from senior artists. I'm not saying that they didn't achieve something great, they did. But as a korean I think of seniors "paved the way" beforehand in order for BTS to also "pave the way".
So really, does that phrase have any meaning or weight at this point? I feel like this is a phrase fans like to use to feel....superior (for lack of a better word) or it feeds their own ego.
Like a lyric from Epik High's (also a group who hugely influenced BTS) song, "I paved the way, for everyone else that's paving the way". There are people who paved the way before bts, and bts is also paving the way. So I guess we can say that everyone is "paving the way". Kind of like how if everyone is special, then no one is truly special because if 'special' applies to everyone, it loses is meaning.
I am by no means a fan of Taylor Swift, but I'm not about to diminish her impact. Would I rather that my favorite singers sold more albums? Yes. But I can also do math and can see the difference between who has sold more and been streamed more. I don't deny reality. I don't have to like reality to accept it
this is about kpop not western music@@HBoyle
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The part with other idols mocking Jay Park, bursted out laughing, thank you boracity magazine like always!
HeuKai made me LMAO. Nice foods then an apple. 😆
Same here!! I watched boracity magazine videos. But this one is hilarious to me. 🤣🤣
Thanks, boramagz, for the very informative video. I learned a lot from your videos.
who is Jay Park????
@@exlguns6417 idk much about him, but you'll understand him once you watch this video. And I've heard he's a problematic guy.
@namjoonslittleuniverse.5776 yaa I've watched.. now I remember who is Jay Park...
Jay park literally put J-hope on the spot 💀what was his fans expecting J-hope to say other than a respectful answer. J-hope, along with other bts members, are respectful and nice people, so even if J-hope thought that J-park shouldn’t have inserted himself in the elite 4, he wouldn’t actually have said it. Now it would have been different if it was J-hope himself who went out of his own way to mention J-park’s “impact” or effort but no he didn’t, the only reason anything abt that conversation was mentioned was cuz J-park himself brought it up to him. J-park knew what he was doing, he looked so proud asking that question💀
He put JHope on the spot. I hope BTS wouldn't be friends with someone like Jay Park. A friend wouldn't do that to him.
Watching Hobi with that guy really irked me, I don't know why Hobi chose to perform in his show, but I guess Hobi is that kind of a person who gives out free clout to nobodies😌
wait i just understand what namjoon said in 7:02 lmaoo did he shaded jay park?
J-Hope is so much smarter than that egotistical narcissist. And his magnanimous personality put Jay in his place, in a polite manner. Knowing that Jay was gum stuck to the underside of one's shoe. He felt no need to embarrass him any further than he'd already embarrassed himself. He put that Jack back in the box.
I really admire RM's response to this question. He said he was 5% of BTS' success. While I think he has more impact than that...I admire his selflessness. That is Epic humility. Huge respect for that.
He said some truth to that. BTS got where they are because of the synergy of different happenings. Multiple things had to go certain way in order for that to happen. That's why there is no new BTS, even though it's visible how desperate agencies are to make next BTS. And while they all are talented, they needed to be seen and recognized as future stars first, in order to form a group. And all of them had to be different, yet have the same goal in order to keep the group running. Even now when Suga has mentioned many things that they didn't discuss about their past before (like them being asked to move out, but them refusing to and BigHit finding an investor instead of giving up, or him and RM always being at the bottom in trainee reiting, but never being asked to leave), makes one wonder how they kept going and how Bang PD still believed that he was making something huge with these boys. So in a large scale of things, it actually could be just 5% individually and 35% BTS together.
From what I understand although they were in the lower position in trainee rating clearly because it involved stuff like dancing that RM and Suga did not initially intend to be part of, BTS's existence was centred around the rap line, particularly RM. The book states how the vocal line thought they wouldn't be able to debut with the rap line which they supposed, would debut early without them. While the success of BTS can be rightfully attributed to all the members, (RM alone could definitely never be able to reach where BTS is today I guess) I think people do tend to oversee RM's contribution to the creation of such a synergy. I have seen many people including older trainees, Bang pd and the members several times repeating the significance of RM's role in creating the atmosphere wherein the members could flourish and grow individually, thereby adding to the synergy of the group. I remember an older trainee talking about how RM encouraged them to be engaged in a healthy competition instead of pulling each other down. Can you imagine the kind of mindset that the 17-18 year old RM has to say things like these to other trainees. Jungkook also happened to like a recent tiktok clip that said something in the line of how the K-pop industry is carried by RM's shoulders. While that can be considered as an expression of love for RM, I do believe there's some truth in it and it's important that people don't get triggered when these facts are said!
It's always weird for me when people try to cage BTS into the kpop label. They clearly started with a hip hop sound and individually the rap line always kept it. People really tend to ignore that they have clearly outgrown kpop as a "genre" (like Agust D said in his first title track)
I feel like everyone just loves calling everything with Korean lyrics KPOP lol. I remember this one Hip Hop fan once mentioned that he likes Agust D despite being a Hip Hop fan even though Agust D is literally a Hip Hop artist
Absolutely true.
@@monotonespeaker8347I don't really understand why you made the comment. Can you explain 🤔 it?
It's like saying the mona lisa is just a painting.
@@neondream03 ?? Can't understand 😪
"The inauthentic image of k-pop actually made things harder for BTS." Exactly! BTS made it to where they are BECAUSE they ARE authentic. It's one of their biggest points of appeal and the reason many people love them so much. (it's funny because in the opposite way the kpop industry profited the most from them.. it's crazy actually.)
This is so well said!! I always tell people they are genuine original musicians and authentic to themselves as people. And their words have literally helped millions 💜
@@bhaktichaudhary1797 YES 💜100%🙏
This is SO true and the hardest part of being a fan, for me. Because of the notion that K-pop is inauthentic and putting BTS in that box, when people find out I'm a fan (Army) or when I TRY to explain that they saved peoples lives, etc., my friends look at me as if I've lost my mind (when actually, I've found it! 💜)
I think Jay Park tried adding himself into the elite 4 was to boost his ego. If he was secured with himself as an artist and recognize the impact of his work to his followers, he wouldn't of tried to add himself into the category. Its kinda like giving yourself a golden medal after a race when you only made it to 5th place.
And he’s trying to get army to talk about him. Any exposure is good exposure. Noise marketing. That’s why influencers and celebrities call paparazzi on themselves or create fake drama.
He is always fishing for compliments I only watched hobi episode and mamamoo and I felt sick like dude be trying to get people to validate him every five seconds. Even 4 gen baby groups fans made fun of him because he tried to look cool in front of them in a tiktok challenge only to look ridiculous and made fun of.
its a self proclaimed
It reeks of desperation
He is the only Korean hip-hop artist that is actually signed under Jay Z's label and he's one of the artists who paved the way for asian-american artists too. He's definitely successful if you researched about him.
Artists like BTS, PSY, Epik High and Seo Taiji have no need to brag about their legend status because they're confident in their real achievements and their art. They have no need to compete with each other for who is better, they just work on their music and move on with their life with the impact they have, no matter how big or small. Jay Park just comes across as desperate, it's embarassing to watch. Honestly he'd have a better chance at the success he craves if he just focused on music and whatever else he does and just let the recognition come naturally.
And at the end of the day, not everyone has to be some legendary superstar (in fact most people aren't, people with such a big impact like BTS are really rare) and that's also okay and not something to be ashamed of.
I wonder can they stage an intervention with this guy Jay Park. I mean he needs a sit down chat and a nap. 🫤
IDK where that clown Jay Park got the audacity from, even if we were only talking about the K-music industries, there are about a hundred other acts more relevant globally than him. PSY is far above him in that criteria, and even one-hit wonders like Momoland have had more relevance, however fleeting, than him. He's a nobody.
I'd Big Bang suits that list rather than Epik High. Although yes, EH was very loved back in late 2000's to 2010-ish. But as a korean I don't think they reached that level in kpop. However, they were at the top in the hip hop scene, and very much contributed to "paving the way" for other groups that are paving their own way.
Epik High especially Tablo went through so much shit, I'd say even more than BTS. Really one of the few people that's a celebrity I would actually want in my life just for his wisdom and views in life lol.
Jealousy never looks good on anyone.
@@Hotcheetos777there is no way you just said Epik high went through shit more than BTS i mean am not denying the fact that he went through a lot shit but not more than BTS
I'm an Army and a Faker fan but the disrespect Faker gets is crazy cuz he's still one of the only two people that won Worlds 3x (the other being his teammate Bengi) won MSI 2x, won LCK 10x (most of any Korean Player), 10 years since he started his Pro gaming career and he's still at the top of his game to this day and almost won it all again at last years Worlds but fell short, now he's recovering from an Arm Injury and I really hope he wins it all this time to further cement himself as one of the Elite 4 of Korea.
Faker is one of the most popular and beloved gamer worldwide, even Kpop Idols and THEE BTS knows and respect him, Jay Park could only dream to reach a status that Faker has.
EDIT: T1 HAS WON WORLDS 2023 AND FAKER HAS FURTHER CEMENTED HIS LEGACY AS THE BEST LEAGUE OF LEGENDS PLAYER IN THE WORLD BY HAVING HIS 4TH WORLDS CUP!!!!
I really enjoyed the Run BTS episode with him and his team. There was a lot of mutual respect between them ans bts
FAKER has his own style and uniqueness in gaming. That's what each member of the Elite Four has...they are very unique and not copy cats.
Nice pfp fellow one piece army
Honestly, I'm not a gamer (I wanted to be one but my mom was hella strict so I basically could never play and later I stopped even caring). I really got myself out of anything relating to gaming also due to uni and just, never being able to play, I evaded everything. And I say this rant bcs even with all that, I heard Faker's name being said left and right among my friends who were gamers. Mind you- they were never into kpop or anything korean at the time, they only knew of BTS bcs of me but besides that, their love and admiration for Korea came from Faker. So I hope he gets wayyy more popular in gaming, ppl like Jay Park can only be brought down a notch with the other party showing their success. I fr hope Faker can keep winning, so ppl can one day acknowledge his worth. He was so nice and humble in the Run BTS episode... ppl like that deserve their success.
Yep, all of this. And similarly to the other 3 "elites" listed, people who have never paid attention to gaming have heard Faker's name - even if they don't know anything else about him, they've heard of him! You can't say that for many people.
I’m so tired of seeing people comment “I can’t wait for you to listen to ‘real k hip hop’” under videos of people reacting to a literal hip hop song from bts. It’s like….I’m an American black woman in her 30s who grew up on hip hop and last time I checked, BTS makes hip hop and consists of rappers. Are we pretending their work isn’t hip hop just because they’re in a now popular/legendary group? I’m just baffled. Nobody blatantly does that to western artists without sounding ridiculous wtf- Imagine someone in Korea listened to Brockhampton or Odd Future and somebody was like “oh, wait until you hear real American hip hop”. They’d be confused.
I think those that claim this don't actually know what 'real hip hop' is... they believe it to be some cool trend, full of swag and macho-confidence, when really it's not. They're also trying to fit into a mold that belonged to another's culture, from the way they talk, dress and attitude they're alluding. A glimpse of SMTM and you can see it, I don't think they realise how fake they're being with their own identity crisis. That's why the accusations against BTS in the early days were so rough around this stereotype.
I don't want to discredit JP, I think he's really trying to make a name for himself, but when he's exaggerating his own accomplishments, that's when it gets corny. On PSick, he claimed in regards to KHH, noone has gone further than him, but nothing good came out of him signing with RocNation... no further opportunities for KHH signed or any features with reknown artists in the west. After he said that, Hobi released Cole's collab a few days later... 😂 talk about BTS karma...
They are just ignorant about BTS and there talents tbh. BTS is full package of very good vocalists and extremely talented and strong rappers and producers, with songwriters
@@moonchild9992 ouch, it hurts just thinking about the irony of his statements 😬 secondhand embarrassment.
'Real KHH' which is ironically, regurgitated beats and flows from black artists, performed by cosplayers unapologetic about their CA and racism. BTS are not 'real KHH' precisely because they're authentic artists in an industry populated by fakes and puppets.
jay park should just focus on his career rather than others for his gain. To be honest most of the Korean hip hop artists are idiots, for example show me the money
Jay Park strikes me as that “pick me” person that most people don’t really like. The fact that he tries to insert himself where there’s no way he could be, screams jealousy and delusion to me. That whole interaction of him with Hobi gave me the vibe (not ft. Jimin of BTS iykyk 🤣) that he was doing his best trying to outshine Hobi and finally “prove” he was better than him. Cringe. He absolutely failed. And Hobi’s response is kind, humble but absolutely does not give the acknowledgment and approval JP is seeking. I hope JP goes to therapy one day before he falls to kanye levels of delusion.
Wasn't that the same show where he attempted to out-dance J-Hope? My man has delusions of adequacy when he's basically a Bowen Yang SNL sketch let loose in the wild.
There was no correct thing that J-Hope could have said in response to JP, but he kept it respectful and honest without lying or shading him.
@@Fantastikitty the very same. Wasn’t it a bit too try hard? And you’re absolutely right about Hobi’s response. And you also got a point in that, there was no correct thing he could’ve say to JP as well that wouldn’t have been taken out of context by his followers.
@@Fantastikitty lmao it was so funny, just the AUDACITY of him thinking he could out dance Our God of Dance Hobi is delusional af🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@BELIEVER78989 indeed, dude is delusional af 🤣
Same i remember that the dance studio call 1 million had to take down their me with you dance video becus it has more views than the original Jay park mv sooo
I felt so bad for Jhope sitting there, forced to answer... :(
I know right. Who would ask such a dumb self-serving question 🙄 like that anyway. What did he expect him to say, "Go blue, check your ignorant tail in a corner"
After I read the book, this barrier of hip-hop vs kpop being broken by BTS became more evident to me. They paving soooo much
that section of k celebrities saying three words that match and one that doesn’t to mock jay park was hilarious
9:57 Joon is so funny, lol. Also, all the idols clowning jay park's song is hilarious. I died laughing.
I knew it was finna be jay park 💀 but in all seriousness, you’re completely correct. The impact all these people have in their fields is incredible, and no one should try to take it from them.
Just one word . AUTHENTICITY. BTS have an extreme love for their craft and it shows the authetic side to them. Most performers just perform because of money. I am not saying that money is not important. However, if you want to be successful, Authenticity and also uniqueness. Not the cookie cutter type of performers. Plus, majority of performers who had been well snowed and respected had been authentic and have tremendous respect for their work.
Absolutely true💯
I must say jp got lots of guts to call himself pride of Korea with all the things he has done throughout his career and how he blatantly said that Korea is gay and how he hated it 🤦🏼♀️
Respect to the elite four: excellence and the pride of South Korea 🇰🇷💜🌍
BTS Rapline are Superb❤
BTS RM INDIGO at Rolling hall ❤
BTS jhope at Lollapalooza ❤
BTS Suga had his Solo tour ❤
All performance of this 3 Rapline are in history ( successful and recognized as the G.O.A.T- greatest of all time❤
BTS members Legacy will live on...
If you gotta say "what about me?" You've already lost, my guys.
There is a difference between being confident vs being cocky and Jay Park is the latter…he really appears very insecure always talks about his”accomplishments” to other people
2:20 his dance i'm crying 😭 and in front of THE jung hoseok too, i would be so embarrassed😭
I love you boracity
The idols making fun of jay park part made my day 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Interesting. Since Yoongi (aka Suga of BTS) using his Agust-D persona had a fabulous showing on year end Billboard charts - especially rap/hip-hop, one can say that BTS paved the way again. He also did it without disrespect to others in USA rap/hip-hop. He laid down his experiences - personal & Korean as a new dish on the table. He brought in new fans & got critical praise for his work. He smashed down doors for new listeners & others to have the same ability to succeed as him.
Sadly, he took away Jay Park's self brag. By putting in the work & being true and authentic to himself. Once again proving why BTS is the elite in music for South Korea.
HEUNING KAI'S VERSION OF THE MEME LMAOOOO "Hamburger, pizza, pasta, sagwa, let's go". I burst out laughing
I’m so glad someone mention Jay Park ridiculous self claim. I was dumbfounded when he label himself “ legend”.
I don’t who he is before that.
Thank you 💟💪🏼💜👍🏼
Yes the fact that he had to label himself says it all really doesn't it. Silly man now has egg on his face.
The funny part is that he does R&B and pop the most , his most popular song is a pop song that sounds like a JB song , he even shout out to him lol.
"brought himself in the conversation"
I snorted, queen!
Thank you for always giving enlightening details. Always facts.
When she first said that "someone denies this" I expected her to say someone relevant not Jay Park 😂😂
Please never stop your essays. You did it again. AWESOME. You are so right. When I saw JPark put JHOPE on the spot like that I cringed for him and Hobi’s respectful comment went way over his head. It’s bad trying to be a somebody. He ain’t there yet, only in his mind. You always bring receipts.
Dude bts are literally the sweetest I don't care what anyone says about that being a " stage person " I would've laughed in his face And outed everyone that did me wrong but them they always act like the bigger person and keep on being humble kings
J-hope is one of the humble kings (BTS) and as they say Legends dont mention themselves as legends.. Jay Park just took advantage of that 😂
J-Hope... all of BTS... are just the epitome of class. His response was truthful, eloquent, and kind. He delivered it in a way as to not embarrass or be rude to his host. Love these guys!
Jay park loves to insert him in all kinds of conversations since he is never really a part of one originally.
He's trying to put himself in the top4 elite with bts, yet in a recent video when they asked him his favorite kpop groups he named other groups stating that no one had gone global like them. He's such a bitter fool
It's how so many people try so hard to downplay BTS's impact. Lmao, it's no longer sad. It's funny.
I know that BTS themselves call themselves K-pop they accept it and wear it now with pride I felt that with Suga saying he loved kpop in his documentary Road to D-Day and with RM talking about how "it works" in the context of when everything they do is labeled as k-pop example rap songs on Spotify etc. But I won't deny that it still bothers me in a way because they are legendary artists at this point, they are bigger then that. People in the states, muggles, think bts equals kpop thinking it's all the same thing when if anything bts has gone against the grain when it comes to kpop . And kpop has denied them for so long not wanted to be associated with them but now all the sudden they are riding their coattails. It just doesn't sit right with me. Army knows they are more then that but I wish it was more widely accepted among muggles at this point cuz I'm tired of them thinking it's a package deal. My sister mentioned to family when asked point blank (she looked like she wanted to run and so did I cuz it's an uncomfortable conversation where we are from most the time) "who did you guys see in concert?" she answered "Agust D" and my older sister (muggle) mentions "wait didn't you say he is also Suga from BTS?" they were like "oh wait what? K-pop!?" And I'm thinking to myself if you were at an Agust D concert you would never think that's kpop because it's just not I'm sorry. I just find it a bit ironic that bts is the face of K-pop in the States when they are somewhat the antithesis of k-pop, they actually have creative control in their art. And that because of them now new groups popping up are starting to emulate them more because of their success when before others rejected their success.
This is just so true!
like someone said kpop industry get advantage from bts but bts only get disadvantage from the industry
EXACTLY 💯💯
I completely agree with you and that makes me wonder what "kpop" means to SUGA these days
Couldn’t have said it better !!!
Jay Park just be saying anything like he needs to sit his ass down somewhere
@@rosean374 then he should come make his music in America but he knows he’ll tank💀
The fact that I have no idea who the fuck Jay Park is proof enough that he ain't shit, and won't even come close to Faker. There is a reason why BTS had a RUN BTS with T1 (Faker's team). I was watching the episode and thinking "damn the pride of South Korea in the same room". My dream is to attend a BTS concert in Korea, and watch a live game of Faker in the LCK. I knew who Faker was befoire even playing league of legends. He is the GOAT of the game, and the biggest player, anbd who made the game what it is today. He is one of elite 4, and no one can change that
Yes, I felt the same when the episode of RUN BTS with T1 and Faker was released, it was like Harry Potter and Spiderman met each other XD
@@nymeria-2002 Exactly. Two of the biggest names in Korea in one room, and as a huge huge fan of both, I was over the moon
@@TheRagheb95Humble Too😍💜😍
@@iDoNtHavEThiNk31 Faker and BTS are the most humble people I have ever seen in my life
@@TheRagheb95 Can't Agree More😘👌
I just remember a recent interview where Jay Park said BP are the most famous artis in the music industry from South Korea and that they are a big inpact ww, are different and blablabla. And i was like 🤨😒 yes they are big, but not bigger than BTS, and that group has all those things that Jay Park critics of kpop, but i don't know he has always liked groups from YG.
I admire him for what he built like his company for other artis with better contracts but in the music world he is not that big.
Also even if his mom is korean he was born rised and lived in the US so his mind set is nor like most korean, besides he is full of himself.
The Rise of Bangtan episodes ( i think i episode 1 BP still can't ACCEPT BTS members are Globally or worldwide who paved the way specially in WESTERN music industry, HUMBLE is the key and RESPECT ❤)
Nobody can match BTS achievements historically,...recently presidential candidate of MEXICO wants BTS in MEXICO if HE WILL WIN 😅 he's ARMY i quess😂
BTS are AUTHENTIC AND SINCERE/ GENUINE artists...
Peace ❤
@@eight8592 jaja i'm from México and i had no idea, all that is a mess. Still i hope BTS can come to latinamerica and other countrys they haven’t been in years🙂
JP likes BP because they are alike, not an ounce of humbleness in their whole bodies
@@BELIEVER78989 🤭🤭🫢
"Any man who must say, I am the king, is no true king." - Tywin Lannister
Was thinking exactly this.
Thanks Bora! JPk is ridiculious! Yes, he's popular in South Korea and has worked hard, but no way he's global superstar much less the leader of KHH!
How fame is he
@@dianaosazenaye1313he recently has gotten popular due to a koreanhiphop show “show me the money” which is just a stage for koreans to dress up as american black hiphop artists and make bad attempts at copying their style which is more of a mockery than something that takes place from inspiration( eg would be literal any stage from that godforsaken show) barely any good rappers join the show.
@@kkura09709 It make me feel bad
Sort how much a person has done
@@kkura09709 i wouldnt say recently he has been a mentor for smtm for the first time in 2014 then in 2016 and so on so i wouldnt call it recently. You can hate the man for his attitude as much as you want but he does have and had a very big impact when it comes to the k-hiphop scene (many have said so). Not to mention that he is the founder of 2 of the most well known Hip-hop labels in Korea (AOMG and H1gher Music) he is also pretty popular internationaly (of course not as much as the other 4 but if we talk about khh he is one of the most well known) if we talk about k-Hip-hop he is one of the represantatives if you like that Man or not but we cant deny that. I really dont know how long you have been interested in kpop but i have been an Army since 2017 and when i got intruduced he was pretty big and still is. He is also very well known for finding talents such as pH-1, haon, big naughty and all the others from H1gher he gives them a chance to establish and be known in the country. But i do agree with your comment about smtm because its just so toxic and the last time i watched this show was in 2019.
I can't tolerate Jay Park at all, that man is so fake and full of delusions, he needs to humble himself😒
I love your content. I love the way you so eloquently speak facts while quietly shading and putting people in their place. It's like you're calling out the industry and sometimes individuals, but sweetly. Lol. I'm so glad we have so many talented Army to stand up for BTS. Don't stop. He who shall not be named needs to sit down. Thanks!
thank you so much for your support, i'll keep doing my best to make these videos for bts💜💜
@@boracitymagazineHey Bora! Can you please make a community post informing armies about the OneinAnARMY charity project to match the donation amount that Bighit made to the UNICEF in our names...
THE MOST INFLUENTIAL HIPHOP ARTIST IN SOUTH KOREA ARE BTS.
SAY THAT AGAIN.
Well I mean they did start out initially as a hiphop-focused group. But it’s def cool to see them still get props for that aspect of them (both then and now.)
Every time I watch BTS, especially the hyung line answer risky questions or things that could put them on the spot, I am in awe of their media savvy. Their media training was top-notch but more than that, they are always at full awareness of their surroundings and what is being asked and how to react.
JPk: removes Faker and adds himself to be in the elite 4
Koreans: w h o ?
Jay park needs to recognize that his international fame is also linked to fans of bts wanting to learn about Korean music. That's why most people start off listening to bts and then other groups or genres
J-hope did not recognize any impact, he’s so smart for that
Wait why am I just finding out Dynamite created 8k jobs in South Korea, people should just not deny their impact omg
Yes, Dynamite do that, and during pandemic too 💜 to think that most of kpopies hate on that song so much is hillarious
7:31 the idols mocking his lyrics oml I can’t 💀😭
I need everyone to know how often TXT make fun of that song. When the world cup was happening there was a fan on weverse who said "taehyun, son heungmin is really so cool…i’m going to look at another man for just a moment" and Taehyun was like "I’ll allow it. I’ll allow it for bts, bong joonho and son heungmin"
They dont know how good faker is for South Korea, there literally no one ever as equal as him ,he is once in a lifetime talent , do not discredit him.
when you mentioned jay park i started laughing so hard for no reason💀💀💀😭😭
I can't believe Jay Park thinks he could replace Faker, as someone from a whole family of gamers, I can't believe you've just done this Jay wtf
True, I'm not even a gamer yet I knew who Faker was/is.
Boracity, I had no clue about the Elite 4 list. I also didn’t know I needed this video, but I really enjoyed it. Thank you for sharing this story and showing that BTS is accepted by Western Hip Hop artist because they are organic in their Love for Hip Hop. It’s not fake nor pretentious. I would encourage all to read Beyond the Story for more insight on this authenticity.
Western hip hop artist don't respect BTS bruh
Any big named artist can be paid for a collab..
Its when they go outta their way for your feature that they respect you..
I feel sorry for this guy. He is trying to lift himself, even being so self-praising, but he is still not succeeding. Let's just let him be. If this makes him happy. We are Armys. We know the truth, and we forever support BTS.
I ONLY know about Jay Park because of him trash talking BTS and inserting himself whenever we talk about them😂
@@rosean374 I dgaf where he's from and I just laugh at him because he's cringe
Jay Park talking about difficulties about being Asian is so hypocritical of him because did he forget the main reason he got removed from 2pm is because he said things in his MySpace account dissing Koreans when he is Korean himself and now he wants to use “i’m Asian and it’s difficult to enter the global music scene because of what I am” card to get some much needed clout. He’s such a goofy ass man insecure of himself inserting his name in the elite 4 narrative. No sir, you gotta sit down, you were never elite to begin with even in the k-music scene.
If you look up his history he grew up in Seattle USA and learned Korean when he moved to Seoul at 18. He started competing as a hip hop dancer in the US so different hardships in two different countries .
@@mc_7_25 twice the hardship but never an ounce of being humble in his body? Nothing wrong with being proud but he definitely rubs off the wrong way. Plus what’s the point of that song he made inserting himself and removing faker? He may be successful but tbh he’s making himself a joke by claiming himself that he’s a legend.
Loved how those people were mocking Jaypark, even Jessi is bigger than Jaypark in khiphop, he’s barely know anywhere tf
Bro is popular for his R&B the only reason he's on the map. I like his music but you really have to separate it from the person because he's just so delusional.
Ah yes, Jay Parks favorite hobby: Embarassing himself publicly because his ego is just so much bigger than his actual talent.
You should be a lawyer. You argue your points down the the smallest detail. With facts. And receipts. And I love it!
Maybe Bora *is* a lawyer ...
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@@AngelaSealana também acredito que ela seja 🤔.
BTS is never the same as any normal group who always follow the same structure as k-pop was. How can these guys being called "yeah they are kpop, nothing more than that" when they are actually have hundreds of songs with a vast variety of genre that even a normal pop artist will never really done that?
If you are looking back to the history of the biggest boy band in the world, you will never see them rap, you will never see them dance as hard of these boys and the message of these "normal boy bands" are constantly repetitive😌.
I have a huge respect for BTS because they are always trying their best to show us the true & honest side of them. Unfortunately, this is really uncommon in SK then people will think that they are weird for just being themselves😔
unfortunately, korean culture (and a lot of east asian culture in general) it's not very common to be real, it's very much the perfect 'fake' facade that everything is okay and when it's not, cover it up as best as you can
so yeah, that bleeds into k-pop
k-pop stars have to eat 'elegantly', speak elegantly and all these things that give the illusion they are perfect
but that's the thing, NO ONE is perfect and audiences will always be able to relate more to people who are real with them
but yeah, for people not that familiar at other groups just look at the boy from the group that jk was on live with and how he was questioning if what jk was doing was okay and the poor boy sounded like he was having a breakdown lolololol
but THAT's an example of how it is
7:39 They just ALL clowned dude! 🤣🤣🤣
to make it simple...many gamer from different game such as pubgm,csgo or anythinng have the name faker...but not a single rapper want to name as jay park...
Everything i've learnt abt jay park was against my will... and everytime he comes up it seems he is digging himself an even bigger hole than before
oh this is a true statement. I’m still like who is this guy?
I think, no matter what, BTS's place in that "Elite 4" is solid. He wasn't coming after their slot, but it sounds to me like JP felt like he had to make them smaller somehow (HA!) to make room for himself.🙄His silly distinction of "k-pop" vs "k-hip-hop" is nonsense, because, honestly, has he never heard their discography?
The idea that Hobi gave his blessing is equally ridiculous... Hobi was his usual extremely diplomatic self in his answer, and acknowledged JP's hard work and his callout of BTS without saying a word about whether JP's name belonged in that list, too.
IMHO the person who most deserves to be PO'ed at JP's nonsense is Faker, because what JP's essentially saying is, "you and your entire industry aren't as important as I am."
To which I'd say to him, "Players gon' play. Live a life, man. Good luck."
"That is, except for one person"
me: its fucking Jay Park isnt it
Bong Joon-ho has had such an impact on the film industry that he is mentioned incredibly often in my film studies class, his montages are excellently planned and executed so he is the person I looked up to most when I was writing part of my own screenplay.
oh we having another fight with that colour group's fans on twitter because they included "pave the way" in their new song, and I can't help but be reminded of this video and that jay park song lmao
I am always impressed by Boracity's clear and thorough examination of issues. Such a talent for organising arguments and proving a point is very rare.
yups! she is indeed a queen and I am so happy we have such an intellectual and effective communicator in Army 😊
I share here video essays to help explain things too
it feels surreal how I chose to fall for the group that is going to be legend and will go down in the history of music for generations to talk about. I had no idea really, 8 years ago, I saw Dope dance practice and got drawn in, there's something so unique about their music and their personality. Soon, when you get to know how real, playful, artistic they are through all the MVs, messages, storylines, Bangtan bombs, BTS gayo, Run BTS, there's simply no way out.
The only rapper i know is the rap line of BTS 😁
The football (soccer) star Son Heung Min is everywhere, here in Zambia in Africa any avid soccer fan knows him.
Hobi's obvious sweet response to Son heungmin and hoba's diplomatic response to jay garden. 😂
ALL THE IDOLS MAKING FUN OF JAY PARK LMFAOOOO
I love your ‘essays’ on Korean culture and agree with your comments on the ‘elite 4.’
Jay Park is a great performer/entertainer. Certainly not elite. First up, he is an American who came to Korea because he was ignored in the USA. 10 points for being a great self promoter, but if he was an authentic Korean and being American, he didn’t have to undertake mandatory military service.
@@ianbecker253 i don’t understand a thing you are saying man
Ikr, Hueningkai and Yeonjun was the funniest, they are like no one can diss or disrespect our hyungs, Bighit family is honestly cute af.
Jay Park is that annoying kid that thinks he's the best in everything😂😂
One thing i agree wholheartedly is that legend never brag. all the people listed in the elite 4 are so humble but the one outside of the list keep bragging about their legendary-ness. make it clean and clear who is the real legend
We have to support Boracity cause she has been spitting facts
I started giggling every time that clip of JP dancing came on LMAO
Since 2017 Namjoon collaborating with Wale alone has more impact than anything that Jaypark or any other khiphop artist
2:20 THE WAY I WHEEZED THAT WAS FOUL😭😭☠️☠️☠️
Just the fact that he took out FAKER to put his own name, scream his NOT SO LEGEND behaviour. Like, come on dude that's so embarrassing. If you are a GOAT, there is no need to scream it yourself. People will do it for you but the fact that he did it himself is actually so sad. I love some of his songs and I think he is really talented but I can't stand that man. He is so shameless and full of himself but that at some point I don't really care. What really makes my blood boil is the fact that he is trying to bring the old idea that Kpop and BTS are inauthentic, manufactured just because they play in a biggest scene than other genres.
"legends don't say that they are legends" made me laugh so hard! Thank you for another great video!
12:37 Agust D's 'D-DAY' is the highest pure best selling, overall sales and CD sales by a RAPPER in 2023 GLOBALLY!
Someone show this to that guy and tell him that This is Suga from BTS not from Kpop
oh my god the audacity of jay park to ask hobi that on LIVE TELEVISION
Some of my earliest favorites were Big Mama (who became respected professors of music after they retired), Fly to the Sky (after they turned to R &B), Wheesung, Im Jae Bum, Kim Bum Soo, Lee Sora, Lee Sun Hee, and Lee Moonsae. They're good at what they do and don't need to toot their own horn. My dad taught me that truly intelligent people don't go around bragging about how smart they are. We can see that for ourselves. The same holds true for legend status. You don't run around saying "I am Legend." unless your parents actually named you Legend.
Until very recently I was only vaguely aware of the existence of BTS and the fact that the fanbase is called ARMY. I'd assumed BTS was just another K-pop boyband. Yeah, that idea went out the window real quick once I started going down the rabbit hole. I am seriously impressed by what they've achieved and excited for their future. The overwhelming majority of K-pop strikes me as plastic-y, soulless, interchangeable, flavor-of-the-month ear candy. BTS is on another level. RM's lyrics are "meaty" making me want to suss out the references, the concept of SUGA's world tour is complex (Cf. the article in Weverse Magazine, magazine.weverse.io/article/view?ref=main&lang=en&num=819), and Suchwita is a great series, Hobi established a first at Lollapalooza. Jimin's solo album is so much fun to listen to. Beyond the Story shot up to bestseller status within hours. Let's see what the rest of the year brings.
I see faker and jhope, i click 😅 im such a huge skt t1 fan aswell
what you said about BTS lyric is so true. it is the main difference i have never seen artist with so much influence to change the world like BTS. MJ and Coldplay is the only two i can think of witch made the Coldplay collab so perfect
People that doesn’t play videogames may not know, but Faker had such a big impact.
You could compare it to the intro of One piece lmao
When the pirate king dies and a whole wave of new pirates come to the sea to get his treasure.
Faker did some plays that made everyone want to be as good as him, League of legends I’m 100% sure could never get as big as it did if people like Faker never existed.
IDK K-Hip Hop but Hip Hop and rap is still represented by BTS. I am mad I can only get Joke on CZcams.
czcams.com/video/9rAyprZdo7o/video.html RM with Wale
Use search term Rap Monster for RM first album. There's at least 3 MVs on CZcams from 8 years back that are the first RM mixtape
I think people forget that while casual gaming might be easy, pro gaming is quite tough. For a person to become that amazing in it on a worldwide basis, his influence cant be rejected. And here comes jay park thinking BTS isnt enough to represent music and gaming isnt that important. Seriously, the arrogance is not it.
I’m sorry but my 44 year old African father is using BTS’s Map of the Soul: 7 as a source for his PhD…
THAT’S HOW BIG BTS IS!!! My father knows Son because literally everyone who is a fan of premier league love Son, my father is aware of the movie Parasite and obviously he’s a bit older so he won’t know the gamer but what I’m trying to highlight is that he doesn’t even know the name Jay Park exists yet he knows the others.
Jay Park needs to get off his high horse, it’s becoming so embarrassing
Wow awesome! Reminds me of how the extremely renowned Paolo Coelho is a huge BTS supporter, has spoken about their greatness!
good luck to your dad 💜
much love to your dad, what an icon!!
That's amazing .💜 All the best to you dad💜💜
Aw wow, Dr. Murray Stein reviewed persona and mentioned Rms UN speech and how it related to MOTS. I read it online when it firat came out...
jay park is an insecure little man LOL
@@rosean374 He’s not trolling Knetz. He failed to get the same recognition in the west so he went back to SK with his tail between his legs after SK kicked him out of 2PM. 😭 I don’t doubt his popularity in anyway, he has a niche audience but HE thinks he’s as big as BTS.
Music is bigger than Korean Hip Hop, and the representatives of Music is BTS. if jay park wants to be in the big 4, he needs to top BTS. Yeah good luck with that Jay. You aint nothing right now.
Bts is already a hip hop
KHH is bottom of the barrel as far as K-music goes. Just a circle jerk of rich brats cosplaying as black people, reeking of appropriation from head to toe, fast talking out of their a**es about 'the hood' and their 'struggles,' but 'the hood' is Itaewon and the 'struggles' are mommy and daddy wanting them to go to school instead of being the family embarrassment.
Till now I thought I was the biggest delulu ever now I know Jay park's even bigger delulu.
I didn’t know it became a meme to mock that dumb line of his, I’m glad he got mocked to his face lol
Even before I listened to BTS the first time and became an army, I knew they existed.
Jay Park... Thanks to Boracity, it is the first time I have known he exists😂😂😂😂
when you first mentioned jay park I burst out laughing so hard omg
That's so crazy to me because I only really got into K-pop & later BTS starting in 2018/19 while I've known Faker since 2014 because he's literally one of, if not THE most famous esports player in the world. If someone would've asked me to name one Korean person in 2014-2018 the only name I would've known would be Faker, so it's crazy to me that jay park tries to discredit him. But yeah, I mean we already have more than enough reasons to not support him anymore & I don't understand how anyone can like him💀
What jay park did was, still and will always be childish. And to to have the audacity to deny and take out FAKER and put himself there and then on top of that to say that he is the one influencing and impacting k hiphop. When it's been BTS who had travelled to the roots of HIPHOP Literally to learn. And to learn among REAL HIP HOP artist. Be praised and respected by them. BTS RAPLINE is the ONLY k group rappers line that is known worldwide and admired. They worked alongside rappers such as WARREN G, LIL WAYNNE, SNOOP DOGG, JUICE WORLD, J COLE to name a few.
They are bigger than k hiphop. AND are real HIPHOP. They broke the barrier for themselves a long time ago. They are writers who always stayed true to their roots. They worked and collaborated along side those who they admired when learning. That is called growing and influencing.
Jay park thinks and talks about himself so highly while downgrading others and that is what makes him and music even more distate ful. And that is exactly what his downfall is