"the next bts:" why they fail every time.
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- čas přidán 18. 04. 2024
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from the "avengers of kpop" to "uk-pop" and the k-billboard awards, the music industry has been studying bts' popularity for years and trying to create "the next bts." here's why i think they fail every time.
0:00 intro: the avengers of kpop
02:17 setting the narrative
5:40 UK-Pop
7:41 k-billboard awards
8:32 why they always fail
9:45 mistake 1
10:47 mistake 2
12:25 mistake 3
13:26 mistake 4
14:28 mistake 5
15:00 my tutorial
15:33 step 1
15:56 step 2
16:30 step 3
17:08 step 4
17:51 hiatus
19:08 conclusion
You know what's sad?? When a company forces their groups to fit in this "next BTS" label, they are erasing all the possibilities for their artists as individuals and they're dismissing their potential to be something new. That's truly unfair for the artists.
Bravo well said.
Very true
True, and its unfortunate because all kpop artist work hard for their own identity....
True, and its unfortunate because all kpop artist work hard for their own identity....
Exactly this is what im saying for a long time. These fucking kpop multis get mad at me when i say "theres no bts" when all im saying is that its actually an insult to those other groups. Its discrediting their very own artistry bc they keep mentioning bts name when it isnt necessary.
People don’t realize that there isn’t a specific “formula” to unlock the level of success that BTS has achieved. A huge part of what makes BTS who they are today is their journey from the bottom to the top, and that was achieved slowly but surely across a number of years. BTS is special due to a combination of the unique talents of each member, their songwriting capabilities that touch people’s hearts, their genuine love for their fans and each other, and most of all their vulnerability and rawness they’ve shared with us via social media since predebut. You can’t help but root for these 7 people who have shown nothing but determination, resilience, and passion to achieve their dreams. Throw in the whole mystery of the BTS universe storyline and sheer amount of content they’ve provided for a near decade and you’re hooked. Other groups may find their success in their own ways, but it’ll never be the same set of circumstances as BTS.
unless u somehow clone them raise them by their cloned parents and basically clone their entire life then MAYBE you ll get the "Next BTS"
@@lovelyladyofgod4861 Lol true and still there is that MAYBE😂
I'll say a million times YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In a way BTS did state the secrets to their success in RUN BTS lyrics. "Consolation, got them. Fidelity, got them. Good music, got them. Good team, Goddamn. You said you're hot, oh man you're not". Also Namjoon commented 'Attitude' as his answer as to why BTS stands out from other groups
i would also say the rise of social media and their use of it in an innovative way helped them a lot
BTS became BTS because they weren't trying to become THE BTS we know today, they were just very talented kids that wanted to make music, talk about the topics they cared about and connect with their fans. They are 100% ORGANIC and AUTHENTIC.
💜🙏💜🙏💜 Borahae !
Exactly! 😄💜
JYP once differentiated him and Bang PD: "When I meet a problem and I cannot find the solution. I give up on it and start a new thing. Meanwhile, Sihyuk is the type of person who will sit down and keep looking for solutions until it works". I leave this statement here for you all to see why others keep failing but BTS
Bang PD has a great open mind set. That's why he succeeded.
@@rcdaisydog9406 It's the reason I believe he decided to go his own way and start his own company, he saw everything that was wrong with the Kpop Industry and decided to do something better.
@@eileencritchley4630 exactly!
That is one of the key differences. Says it all
"K-Pop's achievements in the West are not K-Pop achievements, they are BTS' achievements" you're so real for this
Yes I fucking hate how kmedia keeps labelling this shit as kpops achievements. Like with jungkooks world cup achievements, they kept saying this is na achievement for kpop like stfu and stop taking credit
OMG, this is so damn true!!!
Yeah, that's so true, but Korean music industry doesn't think that way and they are mistaken.
It says there are 3 replies but I only saw 2 replies
Not really ig?
"Their comeback in 2025 will be extremely hard to match." PERIOD.
I'm waiting for this with bated breath
Am literally excited and it's 2023. Imagine the excitement in 2025. They'll take the world by storm.
@@shianadoris2246it's 2024 and i am reallly Looking forward for the day😭❤ may be someone should reply to this in 2025 as well😄
BTS should start introducing themselves with the slogan: OFTEN IMITATED, NEVER DUPLICATED.
Add this "TRY TO COPY US,MAYBE START WITH HAVING FREEDOM TO WRITE" lmao 😂😂
@@bangtansonyeodanforever7901😂😂
@@bangtansonyeodanforever7901 nothing but FACTS lol
Ohh my godd ... savagery pro max🤣🤣 .... I guess you are taking private lessons from suga eehh ?? 😉💜💜
@@vsk_bts we learn from the savage king lol
"The industry only goes after what BTS already has" is such a powerful line
Hitman Bang said this years ago “When you make music put yourself in the music.” BTS has covered all the issues that they were facing in their music. Depressed, anxiety, self doubt, etc. These are issues we all have faced and over came. That’s how we found the way to love ourselves. BTS can’t be replace if the next groups are not authentically themselves.
this!!
👏🏻👏🏻
So true, you can fake it just to some extend, but sooner or later it will show. You are never gonna create something extraordinary without a true passion ans dedication to a thing.
Yes,your right.
There is only one BTS.
Hitman bang is one of the best label owners ever. He genuinely cares.
Yoongi speaking facts as always. “There will be no next BTS”. 😤🙌🏻👏🏻👏🏻
True.
Namjoon
Suga
Jin
JHope
Jimin
Tae
Jungkook
They are unique.
They are different.
Nobody can reply them. You can't reply a person, an artits. That's impossible and... Reply seven? So much impossible. No way.
Slayyy
YOU CANT REPLICATE BTS SWAG as Suga would say
@@dramanation8515 Don't you know how to respect anyone. How can you Lough at her comment ?
@@keniawrights6022 True
I think you've put your finger on the problem. The thing that attracted me, a seventy-year-old guy from Chicago to BTS is that they feel real. They are authentic. They didn't really come up in the K-pop world. They had to fight the K-pop world to get noticed. They had to create their own opportunities to be seen by fans. And Big Hit entertainment help them all develop their own talents, even when they felt they may not have had those talents. I think you are right to focus on the uniqueness of the music, and the authentic nature of the artists. Thank you for this video.
I think the same!! 🙌
“The industry only goes after what bts already has” SHE SPILLED
People need to realize army doesn’t Stan bts bc of their looks or they’re the “face of Kpop”, they began with nothing, the kpop industry hated and belittled them, yet they NEVER gave up, because they actually wanted to be singers and appreciated every little achievement. They never even thought of surpassing Big Bang or exo or any other big kpop group, but instead focused on being themselves, which comes together with their single phrase: Love yourself. Their letters are one of the most special and sincere, very few artists do that nowadays. Kpop and western music need to stop trying to be someone else and start accepting and working on themselves. We don’t want a copy, we want real people
Absolutely! Also, they make awesome music.
Well said 👏
It's funny how we're in it 'because they're so handsome', and yet people still diss certain members for being 'ugly'... the double standard rises again. And isn't it even funnier how many companies work so frantically against BTS's success and spread hate against them- even as they try desperately to fathom what makes them so successful, so they can copy it? Like how having idols who rap was simply unthinkable, ludicrous, nonsense- until BTS did it, and now virtually every group has at least 1 or 2 rappers. 🙄
Until they knock off the hypocrisy, they can't possibly succeed, but they certainly are making fools of themselves trying to imitate what ought to be genuine.
Exactly
You ate
There will never ever be the "NEXT " BTS.
Bcz there is no fandom like army💜
@@fathimanimfa9295 Ppl don't seem to understand how true your statement is.
@@KARIAP Maybe!! But they won't find the Next BTS by searching the next BTS. Just like Suga said that they are not the Beatles of 21st century, the new upcoming grp will not be the next BTS or the BTS of the century....!! The group will be unique in it's own way!!
@@KARIAP . You can disagree all you want. Was there ever the next Michael Jackson. Was there ever the next Elvis Presley. NO. There will never and I mean never be the " NEXT " Bts.
@@62army77 Thats a really good point
Beautiful analysis. "BTS didn't try to be the next somebody, they tried to be the first BTS."
BTS never wanted to be "The Next Beatles" when they were compared. They were always saying we wanted to be "The Next BTS." This is what makes them different. If they had let the narrative of the next Beatles roll for some time, that would overshadow their own success. RM and Suga being authentic and understanding the mindset of the western music industry helped a lot. Remember, they were from the underground rap scene, so they knew about the originals in rap and never compared themselves or thought they could be completely like them, but they picked up the important aspects of flow, rhythm, style, and authentic lyrics, and brought that to the entire group and gave them a sense of grounding. Jhope, V, Jungkook, Jin, and Jimin also grew up in that environment. Thus, they picked up those authentic traits with also Bang PD supporting that vision in interviews, etc.
I havent seen any artist/group themselves say they want to be the next BTS. It's the media and maybe some companies who say that. But not the artists. There are other artists who have struggled and have been underground rappers before becoming idols, artists who produce and write their own music etc.
@@grumpydomppa8666 Even BTS never called themselves the next Beatles. There are many media articles that say the next Beatles for BTS also when they started out. They refused the notion very publicly in all interviews. Only because they categorically said in interviews we are not the next Beatles we want to be the next BTS, that stuck and people stopped comparing. They were a little confident and ambitious in theiir statements, that helped and support from fans increased to change that narrative as well. When they rejected it publicly it created a ripple effect.
Suga once said in an interview, BTS is BTS and Beatles is Beatles.
Also bts are sing and rap while beatles were sing only
You can't re-break all the barriers they've broken. You can't replicate the hardships they had to face. You can't duplicate the talent, hunger and determination. That's why there is no such thing as the next BTS. If anything, it's simply an insult to the next great artist's effort, just like when people have called BTS the next Beatles. People need to stop comparing artists in that way and instead respect their uniqueness.
So true. BTS just made everything easier. You cannot act as if you broke the barriers that were already broken and pretend as if you are the biggest band lmao. Submitting for Grammys would just be a fever dream for so many of the kpop artists out there. Now they are all submitting 😭😭
@@stargazejk Its also the same "fever dream" for so many of Western artists. Let's not just single out Kpop artists. Because they're just as talented if not more on a general level but Western media has always done its best to minimize, downplay, belittle, even mock Kpop and other Asian artists and have even done it to BTS in the past. Some of these ignorant people still do it to BTS, which is very revealing about their prejudiced mindset.
True! I like the way you worded it!
Everyone faces hardships Everyone does in that I disagree Everyone has there own hardships they need to get through they are not unique when it come to that unfortunately
@@stargazejk just because bts broke them doesn't make ot easier for anyone else lol they have to put the same hard-work in to meet those barriers probably work even harder
BTS is BTS. Maybe there can be few similarities in some way here and there but BTS will always be BTS and like Suga said,"There will never be another BTS".
There is only one Einstein, one Marilyn Monroe, one Billie Holiday, one DeVinci, one Michael Jackson. There will never be another BTS. They are unique.
I'm not a fan of BTS.
But, i can't help myself to admire how this group achieve their success thru hard work.
Same 😺
Let's be honest 70% armys are not k pop stans.We just listen to other k pop groups but we don't support them as much we do for tannies.There is no next bts.Bts is /will be the biggest boy band atleast for the next 10 yrs.During their break,let's support each members,Let's support their solos.We can do that.
totally agree
Agree with you
I am one of them , who is just Army n dosent give damn about rest kpop groups....💜🤷♀️
@@DeityCloud good for them n all the best .... but u don't understand.... they will never be BTS ... n most army's are only interested in bts n nothing else ... few army multi stans might go n support other groups... but majority of army's are pure bts fans .... 💜
@@DeityCloud ...and none of that makes them the next BTS. It makes them THE SB19. Don't diss their identity like that.
In my opinion, these are the reasons why BTS is very successful:
1. Their genuine love towards the ARMY
2. They have freedom to write their own songs
3. They’re down to earth
4. They’re very passionate on their work
5. They’re very selfless
I agree. But I would also add they just make good music that is very versatile sonically and lyrically that people of all ages and backgrounds can relate to. Not to mention their live performances are always top notch and their stage presence is incredible. They go hard in everything that they do and never settle. Groups can have everything that you mentioned but if they don't have good music that truly resonates with people they aren't going to have longevity.
It's because of how attractive they are
no
6. They're incredible performers
7. They never forget that it's about the music
8. They don't stop challenging themselves in their music or message
9. Armies keep fantasizing over them. (Facts)
"Let your performers become artists." I think that is exactly on point.
As another army mentioned, creating the 'next BTS' robs the artist of having their own identity. The reason BTS is the legend they are is primarily bacause of their authenticity, artistry and sincerity.
"They did not become the next somebody, they became the first BTS". That's such a powerful choice of words, it literally gave me goosebumps but it is SO TRUE🔥
Also, I think that another reason why these groups fail is because of lack of honesty in music. Everything from the music, to the achievements is so fake and forceful that it doesn't attract people. These days people appreciate honesty and depth in music
Wow are u sure on what ur saying? Search EXO vs MAMA to find out, honest, huh?
@@prescilasabalbarino4933 did you even try to read what op wrote or it just went over your head🤡
true!
I love your profile pic, I also agree and what was that show with Jungkook? I don't think I saw it.
@@makaylaryan6836
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I’m 56 and bts is only the 2nd band in my life that I’ve followed!! They’re also my all time favorite!!
I’m 40 and never have followed any band, but these 7 men are very special. When I was a teenager I never was into pop.
I am also of a certain age. I have seen brilliant bands through my life and I am crazy for music. I love several of these eternal legendary groups and I do sing sometimes their songs. But no one, absolutely no one was able to make me happy the way BTS's family -brotherhood people do. I know I am a mother's age, so I cannot look at them in the way the young girls do, although I can see very well that these guys are very hot and sexy, so I am saved from this point of view. But I can very well appreciate their uniqueness, there creative talents, their individuality their genius. They are all of them GENIUSES, all of them. BTS emalgamate with their talents into each other's creativity in such special way, that every song coming out of them is hit. They are their own poets, their own composers and their own story tellers. I am so blessed with their existence and so thankful for the happiness. Love you BTS family -brotherhood people and the ARMY Of LOVE 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
@@kitchkashepherd4587 As a member of the two days older than dirt age group I have also followed more genres of music then I can list. I love these guys and their music and message, that is always what attracts me to an artist. If your song doesn't resonate I won't be back.
As far as the 'looking at them like a young girl'- yeah but I can certainly really appreciate fine art when I see it.
Mine too ✋
Me too im mother of 4 kids but bts is one of my inspiration in life because bts give me a positive vibes in life💜💜💜
"let your performers become artists. let them be small so they can grow and let them grow organically" damn, straight to the spot.
girl, do you want to be cancelled?😂😂 you speak so many truths Seokjin is proud of you. I really like your video.
Your segment on the producers boasting about being the “masterminds” behind “the next BTS” gave me a good laugh… I had no idea they were doing all that! The shamelessness in their egos is actually hilarious. Meanwhile you have Bang PD just quietly encouraging BTS’s artistic freedom 😂 he looks humble in comparison because he didn’t make it all about him!
And what's funny is that he achieved that love and popularity the other producers want so badly from the fandom without even trying or asking for it 😆
Louder pls👍
i love how bang pd had so much trust in joon and the other boys that he was willing to let them do their own thing which most producers don't allow at all. i'm glad the boys had him and people like slow rabbit and pdogg around them to support their artistic growth
thats one reason to rly like him imo he lets artists be artist and not only perform like muppets
Bang pd i love him. 😭😭 That guy is always so humbled down and not to forget he has huge part in shaping bts what they are today. Such a lovely man with a pure aura. Literally he is a godmother fairy 😭😭
Once again you got the point why BTS is BTS, and why became the greatest boy band, because they not compete with others, they effort doing good music. Admire them more for their humility thru the years. Thank you for showing us all the difficulties they’ve been walking. That’s why Army love them and appreciate their music, they give us love and hope 💜💪🏻
💜💜💜💜
Only BTS…is BTS. It’s not because of a strategy, or where they are, or when. It’s because of the guys. Army is here for them, their talent, their passion, their way of being in the world. There won’t be a next BTS because BTS is made up of real people. They are not a « formula ». And Army love them.💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
I think people should drop the moniker, "boyband" now. It's limiting to their accomplishments. BTS are greatest band/musical artists of our time.
I’ve only became an ARMY a few months ago, when Hobi enlisted right before/after in the military service. I wasn’t there for them before, I didn’t even know them until 10years later after they debuted. But man, all I know now is that I cannot wait until 2025 to support them. 💜
As a fan since 2014 I just want to say welcome to ARMY! It's never too late to find BTS, and I'm confident they have many many years ahead of them. The enlistment period is the perfect time for you to catch up on the last 10 years of content, and before you know it they'll be reunited. I promise they'll be worth the wait 💜
We have a saying within the fandom, “You don’t find BTS, BTS finds you.” No matter what stage of life BTS has as a message for you to hear.
"The industry only goes after what BTS already has". What I always wanted to say
Another big and important reason is that they don't have ARMY next to them. Don't forget that they're not only The Biggest Group of the World because of their incredible insane talent but for their perfonalities. They're unique...amazing, wonderful human beings.
There's never gonna be another Michael Jackson , well there's never gonna be another BTS neither....NEVER!!!!💜
Right!! Those streaming, buying albums, concerts are expensive. Bts merch are to die for🤭 but ARMY myself don't joke around when it comes to voting. Those awards are gifts of k-diamonds and I-lovelies for the hard work of our beloved Bangtan cookies💜
Alongside with BTS being the Biggest Group in the World, we are the Biggest Fandom in the World.
When K-poppies say their groups have a chance because BTS is going on a hiatus, I think they forget: Army's are not on hiatus
We'll be buying their solo work and waiting in the wings to support their group work once they are back together.
Slay!
I will borrow your comment, permission to rephrase pls
Yezzz 💅
@@bluey3538 sure 👍
Another thing to point out is that BTS writes most, if not all, their own music. Most K-Pop songs as of now are written by behind-the-scenes lyricists, and the quality may not necessarily bad, but the singers themselves should really feel and love the songs they sing for the public. We DO notice it.
Oh yes those groups that copied the 'I love myself' good grief it was superficial and completely fake where as BTS were talking reality and psychological theory. eg Karl Jung.
@Megan Wilkinson I sure some do but how many have been told oh sorry that doesn't meet with the companies approval because it doesn't fit with the image we want you to display? Also how many are able to write about real issues, topics, where they are right now in their life journey etc etc without their agency telling them that doesn't fit the theme we want you to display?
@Megan Wilkinson keyword “most,”kpop songs are written by behind the scenes lyricists
@@eileencritchley4630 Exactly!
Like even JB, a member of a popular group GOT7 (who are friends with BTS and they had a stage together as well) that were formerly under JYP, literally has it on camera where JYP didn't even play more than 10 seconds of the songs JB wrote and performed before instantly criticizing it, to the point where he later on opened up about how he became depressed from years and years of constantly not being able to make the music he wanted to and having his ideas constantly shot down like this all the time. There are a ton more as well, but JB comes to mind instantly when thinking about how much artistic freedom and talent and the artist's original own voice has been diminished and disregarded by their agencies and companies in favour of making generic music that they know will be popular but is otherwise totally meaningless and inauthentic.
It's sad, really, and another thing that companies need to stop doing to their artists for the sake of having more authentic music and treating music as the art form that it is, rather than seeing it only as a means to earn lots of money or gain popularity like how many of these companies see it as. BTS understands that music is an art form and that they want to create art and share it with the world, and that's one of the biggest secrets to their success, that they have a message they want to express and that's why they keep doing this, not to make a ton of money.
@@Manj_J Bravo well said and yes this is what I meant the squashing of Kpop artist by their own kpop company labels. I feel so sorry for those who have the talents and are censored in such a way by the very people who should be encouraging their artist to use and develop their musical talents even further.
My conclusion: other groups are famous because of KPOP and KPOP is famous because of BTS
PERIODT
yess.
That's it 😊
These unique seven personalities only exist in these seven unique men. They shared their lives with each other and ARMY - and when they are together they are BTS - a global phenomenon. No other seven individuals could ever replicate the magic of BTS.
When you mentioned K-Pop groups copying BTS's ideas, I couldn't help being angry and thinking about K-Pop accusing the same BTS of plagiarism when they chose the schoolboy theme at their debut. How rude! And your conclusion had me jumping around with pride!!! Excellent job!
And the fact that their kpop stans mock us saying we are just downgrading their grp by saying nonsense hurts the most. I mean it's OK to take inspiration. Before BTS, very few Grps talked about loving yourself but now the whole 4th Gen revolves around this message. Kpop industry understood, if you want to attract people, you have to do it with something that they can relate. 4th Gen stans get irritated when we say their grp took inspiration from BTS, I mean it's a good thing that they are getting inspired from their senior Grps and exploring concepts to find their own. Even when BTS debuted, they were told that they took inspiration from BIGBANG and BTS themselves said they were huge fan of them but their inspiration was limited to clothing and styling. Their msg was really different compared to others grp. That's why SM entertainment told bighit to give BTS to them, when their main motive was to hide them in the kpop industry forever and let their boy group EXO shine as BTS was turning a threat for them but bang pd refused and kept them, trusting on them. Now in 4th Gen, where ever you go, you will see this live yourself msg. Where were they before? Then taking inspiration from BTS'S clothing for instance wearing Korean traditional clothing in idol. Then BP took inspiration from them. But none talked about it because they were a famous gg. Now people publishs that BP were the one who made it famous, when BP themselves took inspiration from BTS. BTS made it famous but Ig Grps were afraid of doing it because of armys. In this year, BP'S shut down was similar to YTC, for which blinks got irritated at us and started to defend. Aren't they the same person who blames gg when they have similar style like BP? it annoys how now a days lots of kpop stans ignores BTS and tells armys to listen to other kpop Grps when they don't even want to. If a youtuber who doesn't have a profile or caption related with BTS, they get away from everything when they criticize a kpop grp but when it comes to army youtubers, they bash them and call them toxic. None respects an army's opinions whatsoever and thinks armys always want to downgrade other Grps. In Year at MMA, lots of kpop youtubers blamed armys for giving black ocean to 4th Gen Grps when originally it wasn't even them. It was a Fandom of a trot singer. I saw those videos and saw armys were actually supporting the other artists even tho BTS weren't present there. Armys can be toxic but Army's rarely give any grp black ocean because they know how it feels to have one. If anything toxic happens, everyone will blame armys whether they actually did it or not. Idk I think people just no longer want to respect BTS and the real armys as they were the one who made kpop what it is. 4th Gen is eating the attention that 3rd Gen created. Small Grps now get attention when back in the day Grps like BTS used to get heavily mistreated and also insulted.
@@delicate55689 bruh bp are korean too and they can wear hanbok without validation from any other group! Blackpink wore modern hanboks in 2020 and that too were specifically designed for them, if they had "copied" they would have worn it earlier and its not like only bts has worn a hanbok..kard, ace, skz, vixx, nct
They have all wore hanboks in their mvs but yet you'll only target bp!
Plus paying homages to their past isn't smthing BTS has created! It has been in kpop for way longer than you were probably a stan lol! Groups like red velvet, twice, exo have done the same before and its not smth you can gatekeep like be fr! Also bp's contract is ending in 9 months so i think it makes much more sense for them to pay homage then you'd think
Stop gatekeeping nonsensical things mow
@@delicate55689 also not to mention the insane number of exclusive english versions of songs being released by every group after dynamite was released and kpop stans eating them up after accusing bts of selling out for western validation
People need to remember the vast majority of hate that BTS received was from Western media and its people who have had a history of mocking, belittling, stereotyping Asians, especially Asian males for a long time. Even nowadays there are ridiculously ignorant Westerners in American, German, French, UK, Latin American and other Western media figures who mock and refuse to give credit to BTS. Let's not pretend like it was only Kpop industry. At least now everyone in Kpop acknowledges the greatness of BTS. Meanwhile just the other day there was another ignorant French media figure (radio host who was mocking BTS) and this is constantly ongoing among Western media ignoramus.
@@thetunafromsupertuna2169 when BTS makes english singles, kpop stans say 'they are wanting western attention,' but when grps like BP has 6-7 songs in english, their member having solo in total English and Lisa having money as english and having way more nonsense lyrics compared to BTS's english singles, they say 'BP feels comfortable in english so they sing english'. 🤣YG is way more hungry for western validation compared to Hybe, you will see that from the beginning of BP's debut. They had everything, proper promotions to proper debut showcase, mv with high bugdet. On the other hand, a Marvelous group like 2NE1 who are the original trendsetters of girlcrush concept was heavily mistreated by YG. And now SM sending their aespa girls in coachella when their song next level is literal remake and others aren’t that reknown in western country , then sending them to UN which BTS themselves had the chance to be present in 5 years just shows SM trying so hard to make aespa famous. Sorry aespa is a grt group filled with vocals but hungry SM cannot reach BTS's level by doing these when the girls are only in the industry for 2 years.🤣🤣🤣🤣
"They did not become the "next somebody", they became the first BTS." 👏💜
the thing is, when you try to become ”the next bts” you immediately lose what bts has; sincerity. in the beginning of their career, all they had was hope, talent, sincerity and passion for music. coming from a small, almost bankrupt agency meant all you could do was work hard and hope that that work pays off. so as long as people are trying to find a formula, a way to make it big like them, they are never going to succeed.
EXACTLY! The Beatles were THE BEATLES because of Ringo, George, Paul, and John. BTS is BTS because of the 7 members, their life experiences, song choices, and their failures and successes. There will be another group that will succeed someday but not another BTS.
The Beatles were greatest thieves of Black music! That put on earth. Please stop compare them with the damn Beatles.😈😕😰😤
Honestly, my gut tells me that BTS is a phenomenon and it's extremely difficult to replicate phenomenons. But having said that I think that an aspect that really contributed to their success is how instead of focusing on being the best or making it big, BTS prioritized the FANS. I can't stress this enough, so many artists try to appeal to as big of an audience as possible while BTS simply focused on making good music that ARMYs would love. They constantly focus on the fans. They thank us every chance they get, and after every major performance they go on live with us, they create content just for us. You can't buy that type of fan loyalty and it only comes after years and years of investment in their fans. The fans are what got them to the position they are in today and they themselves acknowledge that.
What makes them even more extraordinary is that in addition to the fan loyalty, they are incredible musicians with a very distinct musical identity, with a desire to be excellent in all they do, not so others can love them or they can be loved by the world but because they want to represent the group well and they also want to represent ARMYs well. They always talk about how they don't want us to be embarrassed for loving them. I think that's also a major factor in why they are so universally loved by millions of armys around the world.
I think the more artists focus on the people who love them while also being as much themselves as possible, the more they'll see success. Instead of trying to get everybody to like you, focus on the people who do like you and go after people who would be into what you're doing. But I get that it can be tough also in the music industry. Not everyone has a Big Hit that gives you artistic freedom and sticks with you and helps you grow as an artist. Some of these artists are under immense pressure to put out hits all the time and that's not an environment conducive to creative self-expression.
Reading this actually made me almost cry… Sheesh.. This remind me why I love them so much 💜 THANK YOU SO MUCH AAAA
Well said! Great commentary!
^THIS. RIGHT. HERE. It's the main reason I fell in love with them. Like, I love their music, but it was their vlogs and obvious appreciation for the support of fans that made me want to continuously come back to their music. Part of that is also that BTS *had* to rely on ARMY. Big Hit had to give them that creative freedom because they were on the verge of bankruptcy. They had to work for every opportunity, for every creative spark, for every moment to stay together. And we got to share that with them. They literally put their blood, sweat, and tears on display for us to be part of. We get to see their vulnerabilities as much as their strengths. So, they've kept their fans very close since the beginning.
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That is the saddest thing, that their own agencies of many groups expect or anticipate that it will be a success every time their groups have a comeback, even the fans of those kpop groups themselves expect each comeback to be a bop, hoping to surpass BTS or achieve some records and they forget to listen to the music, which personally is why I followed BTS in the beginning... even the fans themselves should stop putting pressure on their groups and enjoy...
People tends to forget that the main power of BTS is their music. They are not a mere idol, they are musicians with a lyrical genius and genius songwriter as the cores. And they also have genius musicians around them such as pdogg and bang pd. Their songs resonates a lot with life, and not only about cheap love songs. To find the next BTS? You'll have to find musicians first, then trained them to dance and sings. Good luck 😂
oh and an award wining producer eg Suga.
You know they achieved something more then a success when everyone is trying to be "the next BTS"
One of the main reasons why the Love myself shift in K-pop failed so much is because K-pop companies treated the LY series as an artificial concept. Rather than a deep dive into the psychological artistic expression of learning to love one's self from every aspect of the psyche. That's why the numerous clips shown from 9:46 - 10:04 are just the words "I love myself" that sound almost meaningless. It's cause it is, I don't doubt that these groups or members like the idea of such a concept but I also don't doubt they know it's not the same meaning. The commodification of such an expression into a mere K-pop "concept" is almost insulting; because at that point, it just becomes a commercial capitalistic aesthetic. Think of it like the song shake it off by TS, it's catchy, has a receptive beat, has a hook to drive you in, and is repeated numerous times in the chorus. But it doesn't really mean anything. Sure, to some it does but it's mostly a dopamine driver and commercially successful. It's a hit specifically made to be a chart-topper and virally successful. This is what K-pop wanted to do with the Love myself "concept", however, it didn't hold the same weight. We were not being told WHY/HOW we should love ourselves by other groups or the painstaking process of it, we were just being told "I love myself." Again don't get me wrong they feel like great pick-me-up songs, but it's not what understands me.
Amazing comment
You can just feel the genuineness behind BTS's message of Love Myself, because they have to face to face a lot of hardships, people even called them ugly that's why they truly feel the message in their souls, others just treat it as a concept😒😒
Ikr bts doesn't do it just for aesthetics and concepts.. they brought it up from their own struggles, RM was very depressed back then he express how he didn't even want to live anymore through his songs, but gradually he learn to love himself and accept his flaws and spread that message and encourage armies to do the same.. That is just too genuine, these kpop groups cannot compare with the bts love yourself concept
no matter what the kpop industry may see when they study BTS, for example, if they see yoongi's deep struggles with anxiety and depression, or joon's extreme intelligence and effort he puts into every lyric, they couldn't possibly find anyone else that has that "original" gift or art. the boys all came in with their own talented abilities and that's what they used to create as a "base" to start off their careers. the kpop companies can try whatever they want to mirror BTS but it just won't work because they care about external situations and how they want their members to act or be seen toward the outer world. they don't realize that in order to make the ''next BTS'' is that their missing the BIG first part of making one and that is to not focus on music, but to start with natural abilities and deeply allowing the members to do what makes them feel like "them" in order to work their way to the top. and even if they too do that, there is no possible way they can reach where BTS has reached during these long, favoritized, ignorant, and clout-chasing 9 years. BTS has also gone through their own hardships as a group and independently which also plays a big part in their growth. plainly, there is no such thing as the ''next BTS" and there never will be.
not sure of other groups but JHope and Jimin studied dance and did dance competitions before becoming trainees and RM and Suga were rappers performing on stage before becoming trainees, that was their own drive to perform
as someone who started stanning BTS since early 2014... and still a stan, tells you why BTS is an unmatched name.. I've been an ARMY for 10 years dude , with all these kpop groups, I never was a fan of anyone , I just casually listen when I feel like it!
I also want to add this. Aside from their talent, music, visuals, and personalities, BTS has a certain charisma and appeal that can draw many people that's why they can attract new fans and stan them.
if i remember correctly , after dynamite became a hit all over the world so many kpop companies were contacting the writers and producers to give them a song exactly like dynamite .... which tells alot about the kpop industry wanting next bts or a hit like dynamite
i thinks it also happened a bit like this after bts released butter
Especially SM. They even brought something like 90s we gon 100 and something similar Kai wore that jk had wore in dynamite.
@@temtaesionon7seas331 i don't know about the kai stuff.
it's not just that.. after dynamite became viral global hit and stared a trend and most importantly bts didn't get credited for this ..everyone tried to walk on the same path bts walked, companies tried everything like contacting the songwriters and producers just to get a song like dynamite , doing songs with the similar themes , similar vibes , similar beats /melodies, choreographed similar choreo , any many more ... companies did so many things just to get similar success as dynamite
it's funny that kpop stans/ kpop community dragged bts through the hell just because bts released a English single , called names , made fun of them, they were saying anything just to hate them like "BTS is so westernised", "they are doing it for fame" , " they lost their root " and more but when their faves stared doing/did eng songs the same kpop fans were praising them by saying " they did better " , " they did so good", " they did good although it's their second language", " they didn't lose their root" etc... it was sad but also funny
@@moonlight2855 "BTS is so westernised", babes I'm pretty sure that's criticism from ARMYs themselves who preffered BTS to stay as Korean as possible. btw dynamite/butter (idr which) samples the beat from some old song from like the 70's. partially why you can't make another one like it. gotta give credit where credit is due. don't know how popular the original was - must be not that popular bc it wasn't remembered like other well known songs of that era are.
@@3xitthissid3 you are in every reply section low-key hating on bts as quietly as you could and supporting other 3rd Gen groups and super M
that's why whenever is see your comments I don't bother to read them cause they are written and seen from a biased perspective that is bad
Instead of bringing the same stupid thing all over again:" bts are NOT BTS ANYMORE *whining* stop the English songs, NO IT'S SAMPLED they don't deserve the hype for it, bts hates army the just want American audience by releasing too much English songs they just care about the Grammys"
Like they made a whole Korean album in between and a Korean collab and you all kpop fans were ignoring it and even when they do what you want ya'll still hate
BTS made proof album and it was a new sound just for army a ballad beautiful song and again kpoooopies hated on the song and called it boring like it isn't even made for you to hear! It's for armys even many popular artists and platform and the grammys acknowledged the artistry of the anthology proof album cause of the artistry of the beat (you won't understand how great if is if you don't like ballads and then again music is objective but don't hate if you don't like it) and also perfect lyrics that your faves can never make to the point that it was nostalgic enough and even got a Grammy nomination so stop it, it was barely a comeback but still broke records and kpopies got angry and hated on bts in every way for it
BTS are a group that barely has any scandels and haters didn't find anything to dig but "the English songs" or to say "bts changed"
Everyone changes they can't be the same 21 to 26 year old boys from back then
The oldest is 30!and the youngest is 25 almost finishing his twenties they grew and changed by time just like everyone, bts always experiment they aren't boring like some artists they acknowledged that they changed many times and they have really unique and different music styles.
And if it was sampled (though I don't think so cause first the billboard would've wanted to find anything to say about it+ these types of funky songs are so old and popular and similar beats exists everywhere it isn't 100% a sample and there are no credits to anyone other than the bts producers and writers) but let's say it is..... Now compare it with kpop groups these days that do so much sampling from blackpink to gidle to many more
No one says a thing cause they aren't bts.
Yes let's say they sampled it
they still did better than half of the industry compined so what??
Anyways so sorry if this was rude but I saw you everywhere trying to drag bts quietly, like if you were just bringing sampling for no reason then it's ok you mean nothing and I agree but you were bringing weird things in every comment section that stood against bts in every comment reply section
I was like does this person really hate bts so much?
If you were just giving us a fact then thank you but if you really don't like bts then just pls report this video and go
No need to drag them down, yes armys are toxic and this video might be toxic that's why I didn't comment here much and I didn't really like the video I just reacted to some ppl dragging bts in the comments and made them understand the actual purpose of this video and ignored everything else
So don't feel angry
@@3xitthissid3 also most of my comment isn't for you
Just the middle part
The rest is for the ppl who actually say these things
Just the part about sampling and bts changing is for you
the rest is for every hater quietly sitting in this comment section feeling too tight and annoyed haha
I'd also like to argue that these people don't care to cultivate a next bts, they just want a next army. and the whole point is that u can't replicate a "next army" because the way army was formed was through the hardship the tannies faced, the fact that armys were the only ones on their side. if ur debuting a group and getting them media play and achievements inmediately u won't get a next army, because army had to learn to fight for bts's recognition
That's right. Some kpoppies like to mock army saying that bts only has the army and nobody else cares (which is not true) but the truth is the companies are crazy to have a fanbase as solid as bts'. Imagine breaking historic records with the support of people who not only like or casually listen to your songs, but love and support your work? Even some of the western artists who collaborate with bts are obsessed with the army, I've seen some interviews where they speak more passionately about ARMY than about bts or their collab, it's kinda creepy.
@@Jojac0la WOW!- SEE??? This connection that ARMY have for BTS (and vice versa) is so magnetic. It feels unreal, for real
Very true. You go through a few different phases when you first get into BTS and start considering yourself an ARMY too. It takes time to notice the difference between how ARMY moves vs. others, time to tune your expectations to accepting that BTS never stay in one place. Whatever era got you hooked is one of a kind and won't come again. It also takes time to really absorb and begin to trust BTS' sincerity, then to trust yourself. To understand that it's ok to feel so deeply about them. BTS had to literally raise ARMY and we became a trust for them too. They have the privilege of just making the music they want because of ARMY. Even though they are scared and insecure about every release, every new risk, they still feel safe and secure enough to do it and show us their works. They trust us, we trust them, so media and industry shunning has never managed to damage their career - making them more free. You just can't replicate that kind of relationship.
this is so true
There will never be another BTS. There are no duplicates for our seven precious boys. Their chemistry is unmatched. Their bonds are too strong. Their understanding of one another is truly unique. So since they can not be cloned, there will always only be one BTS.
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SM had my boy Taemin, one of the most artistically creative k artists, singing about jopping! 😭 it would’ve been so much better if companies allowed their members to put their own quirks instead of forcing them all into a certain image / genre. This way everyone can shine instead of making everyone a carbon copy of each other. I think that’s why BTS is also very popular because each member has a distinct image and it shows in their solo songs specifically.
Also, I don’t get why kpop wants to be “the next bts” by getting white people validation. Beinh fsmous in your home country is honestly such a great achievement in its own and if it’s global that’s great too!! But anyways I’m rambling now but each group has the potential to be huge globally but the companies are just not taking advantage of that.
But yeah, bts is freaking amazing. singlehandedly making kpop known in other countries!
Before BTS everyone wanted to be the next Big Bang or the next 2ne1, now every company wants to create the next BTS or Black Pink. It's just all about the money. Hybe is very capitalistic too right now, after all, it's just typical music industry.
Lol, we are influenced by kpop. Kpop is influenced by America😂 they need validation from USA. For them, it does not matter if you know English. It matters if you have an American accent. Or Australian. Lol
i like taemin, i like kai and baekhyun too, and thats all because i know they are friends with bts members, thats the reason i know some of their songs,, but i trully hate superM.
many western reactors start with reacting to BTS and most of them said bts is like the avenger. and voila... SM make new group with all the most popular member of their company into one group targeting western music industry. thats why i hate the group, not the idols
what is wrong with jopping?
If Taemin was really one of the most artistically creative k artists he wouldn't need his agency to take care of providing him with good concepts, good music or making him something big
SUGA : "There will never be another BTS"
and that's a fact..believe it...💜💜💜
They try to create the next BTS but they can't recreate a basic part of BTS and that is the love that ARMY has for them, it's natural, real and unconditional. It's not based on visuals, or kpop rules, it's based on something that BTS planted in every ARMY and it can't be recreated mechanically.
this makes me appreciate mr Bang more. He is genuinely focusing on each member's growth and knows that in order for the members to know when they are ready individually, is when they have to succeed as a group first. I remember in one of the bon voyage episodes when mr. bang gave them a letter, and the members read it. He knew that focusing on their music, fans, talents, and attitude is the key to being a successful group.
The thing I truly hate is whenever people copy or just use BTS as promotions, views or anything, it’s not considered as a big deal to most people, because it’s not “intentional”, but when BTS were debuting or rising to fame, there were so many accusations and mean things said about and to them, and it was a considered a big deal for anything they did. It hurts me as an army, because I can’t do anything to protect them from it. 😔
**When BTS does something, the kpop industry focuses on that something** this is so accurate 😂
so true, personally i felt that after Idol, many groups are trying to use korean instruments in their song more and more
@@AP-ti8jf y eso es algo bueno, ya sabes para hacer conocer su cultura, pero no es la forma en la deberian
Ikr.
Any effort will inevitably fail if the objective is to be the next BTS. How insightful to understand that replicating what is already in existence will never match or surpass what BTS has achieved organically, with perseverance, diligence, forward-facing vision, and authenticity. There are numerous quotable assertions in this amazing video; My favorite, "It looks like the next BTS, is BTS." And what I find to be an often missed basic fundamental, "Don't be mediocre and lazy." Bravo for another fabulous video essay, boracity magazine!
organically is the keyword for me. bts did not try to be the next somebody. they just did their thing and the world saw their talent and perseverance
@lemonssssssss4 That sounds fairly accurate 💜
@:D I dont understand why people who are fans over other groups come to pages like this and try to dismiss what they are saying she is being disrespectful and has pulled facts/data so please stop acting like she is doing a deserve to Black pink.
True passion can’t be emulated no matter what. I’ve watched BTS since they debuted and the true feelings, love, and soul put into their music and art can never be “copied”. You can’t create a formula for genuineness, the whole thing that makes BTS BTS is that there is no formula! They’re just being themselves and that’s why there will never be “another” BTS. One of a kind one hit wonder!
The best way to be like BTS, is to be yourselves. Why? Because that's what BTS did. They, at the time of their debut, didn't focus on being like Big Bang or EXO(The two biggest Male KPOP groups at the time). They focused on being themselves and this choice was reflected in their music. That's why people like them. They feel genuine and you can tell that they're just being who they are.
I agree. The artists that become the most established and well-regarded seem to be the ones who are just genuinely invested in what their music is about. Sure, not all members at all times cared about each song in the album the same way in BTS, but they all knew what they were there for. More importantly: they weren't being thrown around by Bang PD. They had to want what he wanted, because if they didn't - it just wouldn't work out. They wouldn't have a vested interest to keep the production going if they weren't interested in the story they were telling. That was definitely what separated BTS at the time for me, compared to other 3rd gen BGs that came out. I liked them because I knew they were telling an honest story and that - that would reflect through their music.
That should honestly be a bigger strategy for most new groups. Always give the members a creative outlet to be passionate about. Sure, it's one thing to optimize each comeback to perfectly be in line with all the interests of the industry in that moment, yaddah yaddah. But as it seems to me, the strongest bargaining chip within the music industry is a motivated artist. You can't create motivated artists by forcing concepts down their throat that they don't like, and not especially when it's "You have to become the next BTS". It'd also do a lot better for the diversity of the music industry to just let the artists do what they want or discover what they are best at.
bts wrote history and they will still do
That was a fantastic documentary. It gives non Army a great look as to why BTS is out selling and outperforming all other groups till today. They were not an overnight success and what I totally love about them is they still have that passion and dedication to their craft and their music. Their recent concert in Busan shows how hard they work to put on a great show for their fans, after 9 yrs! My heart wants to burst with pride. Omg, their solo works since Jhope I can't wait. You are the best!
Only those who were there during their struggles know how much they've suffered and deserved their success.
People love a good UNDERDOG story and BTS is the face of all underdogs. I wasn't their fan when I saw them debut. But it was their music and talent that finally drew me in. I saw how clumsy Jin and RM danced during their earlier concerts ( they're both great now) , how Jin didn't have such great vocals back then ( he's AMAZING now), I was blown away by how fast and good Jungkook was as a rapper ( I wish he could return to rapping in their songs again)... and yet they never got the recognition. It was only after I Need You that they finally got it. But up until then they were always on the side watching. I'm so happy that I became in Army before they blew up. I remember us banding together to try to get them to the top and I am so happy of our ARMY fandom for always being the kindest to one another!
Skool Luv Affair caught my attention, but it was the Forever Young series and their ridiculously hilarious personalities that finally drew me in. Took me from early 2014 all the way to 2017 to finally tell who the hell was who cuz I'm old and SENILE, but now I can tell who's who by just looking at certain body parts!..lmao
Also, Suga is burning up on his solo tour right now, being his normal Suga self XD It's hilarious.
This must give Bang Si-Hyuk such satisfaction, given how badly he, his company and ‘our’ (lol) members were treated by SM and all the other big KPop companies in the early days. The problem for them is they will always be chasing his coattails because what he and his boys (with the huge support of his long time staff) did was change, create and set trends that can never be reset! There’s no such thing as another “BTS”, just like there is no such thing as another “Michael Jackson”. If there is ever to be another group who could be even a fraction as successful as BTS, they will have to find some NEW barrier to break and each member would have to be freakishly talented; but it’s virtually impossible if you ask me…they’re legendary!!!
BTS is NOT a KPop boy band. I cringe every time Western media calls them that! Two years is nothing - it will fly by and they will take their rightful place at the top once again!!
I'll just say one thing I'm not the type to follow singers and celebrities. I don't even have any social media accounts except CZcams and WhatsApp but I somehow got so drawn towards BTS. There music and their personality really touched me so here I am just a ignorant guy of 23 still wishing them for their future endeavours and I will wait for their comeback I'm not leaving ever.
Welcome to the rabbit-hole that is BTS’ Army!
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thank you for staying and waiting 🥺🙏💜
While you wait you can also listen to their individual stuff. Big welcome to you
same they have me hooked especially taehyung
One feature of BTS that I find unique is that each member is individually also has capabilities to become super star. They are different from each other in looks, height, appearance, mood but they all are gifted people. They all dress up different, they wear different attitudes, yet they look like a group in harmony when they come together. Seeing them all in one frame is so refreshing. Also, Tae, Jin, J-hope, Jimin they did not want to become idols. But they had their passion, so they worked hard on it. Their practice to make their own vlogs made them friends with camera right from the beginning. When someone can form a group like that that BTS will have competition. All 7 have shed their egos and sometime personal choices to make this BTS.
BTS has paved the way for kpop to become popular not just in Korea, but also international, and it be extremely hard and long process for other groups that are K-pop, J-pop, pop or anything to catch up w BTS's popularity, fame, and success. Even tho their on a hiatus rn l it'll still be extremely hard and long for them to catch up w them and become the biggest band in the world now
Man , those big label's r so desperate to focus on to make next bts. That they forget that they need to found another dedicated fandom like army's too & that's never gonna happen....Like there's no next bts & there's no next army's too 💜
That is why they trying to attract the fandom to their group, another thing they doing is attacking any large accounts on Twitter with block parties.. If they wreck the fandom..
True.even if they can find a group like BTS they can't make a fandom like Army's out of the blue
@@ronaxo4654 fr fr, ARMY are in another level of fans, like the way ARMY support and love BTS is out of league bruh, it’s fascinating to see and be part of it. Like, the honesty and love that BTS have to ARMY it’s so heartwarming…
I think a lot of people has not accepted that BTS members are not just kpop group but they are talented artists themselves
This is a good analysis of the current k-pop scene. I am a kpop songwriter and all these attempts have been frustrating for us writers. To us, it is clear that there is no formula to re-create BTS, but record labels will try anyway, because they have money and they want more money. BTS' success is based on 1) An exceptional quality of the songs, which means that the single will top the charts digitally, and not just the album through physical sales; digital chart toppers come when the greater public also buys into the song, and not just the fandom 2) An exceptional aura and like-ability as human beings, beyond their music.
Record labels could (maybe) reproduce 1) by picking amazing "western" pop songs like they picked "Dynamite" or "Butter", to top the US single charts. BUT (and this is a big BUT) they surely can't replicate 2). No money can buy that natural charisma. What is very sad is that actually the labels are not even doing well with replicating 1). They are investing an enormous amount of money in everything else but the quality of the music, in a desperate attempt to "create hype". This is why in 2022 girl bands dominated digitally but boy bands didn't. The single songs were better and the greater public picked on them. Soon someone else will come out by themselves, like BTS did, with incredible Music + Aura of their own, breaking new boundaries - and the focus will naturally shift to these new superstars
Streaming doesn't bring the money in for the artist like a big fan base does who buy Albums, concert tickets, and merchandise. It's a fanbase that difference between an artist selling out the biggest stadiums in the world or playing to in much smaller venue's like arena's and theatres. We know Spotify deletes streams all the time and it makes it look like a artist/group is not doing so well in order to push curated paid for play lists. It's all part of media hype. It also means they are not even paying the artist for all their streams either stealing from the artists. The US music industry likes to push the narrative that GP support is better than fandom support. Fandoms are members of the GP we don't come from another planet. We are the one's who will support an artist their work so that the artist gets paid for their art by buying as I said at the beginning of this post. We know how the industry works, we've had to learn about it.
@@eileencritchley4630 I 100% agree with you, and it is THE REASON why I love k-pop and work in this field. The bond between the fans and the artists is the reason why k-pop is so successful, and, if you want to know, I refuse to even use Spotify for how much it underpays both artists and writers. I can probably buy myself a T-shirt with the royalties Spotify sends me **in an entire year across all the releases** (and I am sure for artists it's the same). However, an incredible song will reach out beyond the fandom and make the artist bigger. The fact that fans are so dedicated should not be a reason for the labels to be lazy and not try to give their artists amazing music. Sometimes, they seem to prioritise everything else but the music.
Fun fact: The Backstreet Boys were big in Europe before they were big in the US. They promoted themselves by performing as an opening act for DJ Bobo (Swiss eurodance soloist). Maybe that's something some Kpop groups should try as well: Proving their quality with performances and slowly gaining a loyal fanbase instead of trying to take the short route through American-based media-marketing.
BTS blew up so quickly in the US because they already had a fanbase there which just grew quicker and became huge after they a) appeared on mainstream media and b) kept putting out great songs with great concepts and great performances.
There isn't a next BTS cause fame only happens more than once if one stays with God.
After Watching BTS performance on Mama and Mnet I start to love K-pop. I decided to watch other groups performed too but no group make me fall in love with K-pop. I didn’t like BTS right away but just keep watching them I knew there are no group like BTS. Even in 2016 or 2017 they wasn’t that popular in the West yet but their performance was still mesmerizing because they but 1000% efforts in it. That make them the best.
they always focus on the wrong things in their eagerness to reach bts in some capacity. When you look at every single bts album, the "concept" fits with what the members are going through as people or artists at that moment, it feels genuine to them and true to their journey. The tannies music is like diaries. And also bts NEVER compromise quality - you don't know what it's gonna sound like, the genre, or the lyrics, but you KNOW it's gonna have quality, and that they'll have something to say with it. When they're about to release new music it feels like you'll get to learn more about them, their feelings and thoughts, their state of mind and be touched by it (while possibly shaking ass to it lol)... and when it does get released, you can track back and see the connections with stuff they were going through at the time the music was made. How many times have we looked back at song and "omg this is what they meant". Their work gets deeper and deeper the more you learn about them. Remember when we learned the heart-breaking truths behind Outro: Tear and Black Swan way waay after their releases? Even when performing, you can see bts sending a message with the songs they pick for a setlist. I remember when they performed Idol wearing hanboks on Fallon Week after the storm of "they're sell outs for singing in english" accusations after dynamite was released. They use their music to communicate, to express themselves. But people who try to create the "next bts" never have artistry, sincerity or self-expression in mind, they focus on money, greed and clout. Visuals are great, choreo is great, but damn if you do not make more efforts on the music quality than don't expect to keep people's interest. At the end of the day, if you take all the shine from bts looks, visuals and extra content, their music still slaaaps.
I'd add that Proof comeback is a great example of how bts makes choices, some argue that Run BTS should be the title track bc it's a more hype commercial song that would do better on charts and with gp, but Namjoon said "everything I want to say is in Yet to Come", so artistically and in the context of them having to take a break it makes more sense to pick YTC as tt, because that song represents the main message they wanna convey and their promise of coming back together to continue their journey. Now YTC mv is grammy nominated (the grammys still suck, but at least they're not acting blind to tannies korean music anymore), an mv that pays homage to their whole career. There is no way these "next bts" companies would've made that kind of choice, bc they only want immediate obvious explosive success. Money and clout come first. That's such a pity because although to me BTS is a "once in a lifetime" artist and there is no "next" them, these labels (K- or western) might have under them people with pontential for greatness, but in their immediatism and obsession with control they rarely give them the time and space to truly grow and develop.
Now that members are doing solo releases, you can look at each one and see how it's very representative of their individual personalities, not only on the work, but on the promo material too. JITB artwork is very Hobi coded, Jin creating Wotteo is veeery him, Namjoon having minimalistic, phylosofic and conceptual artsy aesthetic for his album is very him as well. Even Dreamers that is made especifically as a the world cup theme therefore not a project focused on jk's personal life, still represents so well JK and BTS' posture as people, their journey and their beliefs "Look who we are, we are the dreamers. We make it happen, cause we believe it."
You're not gonna stand out if you just do the exact same as everybody else, and it baffles me how these industry people cannot grasp that concept. As Namjoon would say "Do you".
👏👏👏 well said 💜
My massive respect to you for writing this I read it only because you took out so much time writing it.
@@bts_is7 💜💜💜
@@vikassethi4227 oh thank you for reading all that haha 💜 I only wrote it because I had to vent my thoughts a bit. I keep seeing these companies doing the same mistakes in trying to create a non-existent next bts, instead of learning to let their performers be their own unique artists. They're wasting these people's talents trying to copy bts and that's honestly sad.
BTS is ruling this era of music. They rewrote history. They went from a kpop group to a global phenomenon. They rose to the top with ARMY. They will never be forgotten. Even hundreds years from now, people will talk about how BTS ruled an era.
I remember watching bts in variety shows years back and felt that they were always so genuine. A group at present that comes to mind is Mamamoo. They also started around the same time period as BTS and became known in Korea because of their amazing vocals. Mamamoo had their concert recently and they literally covered each others solo songs. I don't think any other group at present can do that. I hope Mamamoo gets a lot of worldwide recognition because they deserve it! And my wish is to see them performing together with BTS
@lemonssssssss4 Yeah I agree with you that it's a rare sight to see industry people and idols being genuine but every coin has two sides. Since this is the era of the internet, it is extra hard to tell who is putting on a mask and who isn't and also viewers don't even care that much. All we have become accustomed to do is scroll through random data.
Even then, although there is a not-so-genuine side in any industry there is also a genuine side as well. Where people make music because they love to, collaborate because of admiration towards another artist and not only for clout, publicly express love towards someones artistry because they truly enjoy them. So, as concious consumers of data we must do enough research and not follow the trend of who is the most popular at the moment.
So, while I agree with your first sentence, I don't think it is how the industry is made and it is NOT okay. The rise in mediocre singing and performance while hard focus on visuals, emergence of songs which are custom made for the tiktok algo, these are all because WE as consumers want them. Demand meets supply and we only get what we want. That has been the rule since forever and ever and ever.
Supporting Mamamoo makes me proud and happy. I don't do it because others are doing it or creating hype around that group. So, we must support the right groups and right people.
@@scarycorn2134 i start watching mamamoo at the same time as i watch gfriend. those two groups are a year younger than BTS and they have some random moments together in the past, so i know those two group because of bts, lol. sadly gfriend already disband. i hope mamamoo get more recognition too. btw moomoo are chill and calm fandom
@@jayoryana9239 aww that is so sweet of you 🥺 thank you
@lemonssssssss4 why cannot be genuine? many idols come to my mind. GDragon, Taeyong, Yunjin
Mamamoo being the only girl group I stand I wish them all the success in the world
Simon Cowell really said he can't stand the most popular group in the world being non-western. I forgot about that video, ugh I can't stand him. I'm so tired of the music industry as a whole. I really never realized when I was younger how horrible and corrupt everything was. I mean, I figured there was a baseline of corruption like with anything- but they're really just blatantly horrible. It's a shame. I actually feel bad for all these groups that get created and abandoned because they never really had a chance. Their companies never allowed them the opportunity- money might buy a lot of things but it can't buy growth as an artist.
Some people just forget that there are other countries other than USA and UK lol 😂😂😂
I never did like Simon Cowell I always thought he was a right self centred cringe worthy, nastie piece of work. I wish we could simply deport him for good but then I'd pity any nation that would take him.
I do remember when he said that about BTS and I thought, 'oh good grief man you are so up yourself.' BTW I never was a fan of 'Boy Bands' all the same manufactured dullness which of course is the complete opposite to BTS.
You hit the nail on the head. Focus on the Music. Give the musicians time to grow as artists. Forget about being BTS. 💜
I became a fan because of their music, mostly their other songs not their Title songs. It took a year before I began watching the wealth of their behind the scenes, them at play, them learning how to create a variety show, dance practices, clips of their live performances, and all the fan produced videos like this one.
SAME, it's their other songs that they themselves created is what made me stan them
Not their title or popular songs
Same!! I never had the habit of looking into artists, I would just take the music and go. But BTS managed to eventually get me to really engage with them beyond just strictly their songs. Four years in and it still amazes me.
exactly! when I first heard of BTS, i was in Japan for 6months (One Day Japanese version) i really thought they were Japanese artists until I listened more songs from their Skool Luv Affair album that I knew they were South Koreans and I was hooked with their music specially with their lyrics. I actually don't want to see any picture of them so I just search their song lyrics but I avoided those with videos & pics hahaha. My favorite singing voice is JK's, rapping style I love JHope's & Suga then last RM. The first time I finally see who BTS' "faces" was when I watched their FIRE performnce in that huge stage and from then on I watched videos & read just everything about them. American Hustle was my fave, I count how many times I've watched it! And my bias is Jimin - V - Jin! 😂😅 Til now BTS & some of Jung Yong Hwa's songs are in my playlist of SK artist & the rest is OPM & mix of Japanese & Latin songs.
@@asielzal4790 Nice
But it's cool that you thought they are japanese group
Is it because they also sing in Japanese?
@@asielzal4790 American Hustle Life sealed the deal for me. I could see how the experiences still influence their choices. My bias is RM, wrecker is Jin, but I love how unique each of the 7 are. I listen to AKMU, Peak Boy, IU, Key, Ottman Liebert, Jackson Wang, Lena Park, and much much more. Never thought I’d ever like pop music again (I’m a child of the 60’s and 70’s folk music and acid rock). It has been an adventure changing my attitude towards EDM and rap.
The truth is that these companies should worry about creating the next army than the next BTS, a big part of success of an artist is a loyal and dedicated fanbase like us armys
But they are not going to be able to do that for at least 2 reasons. ARMY are loved by BTS and ARMY love BTS for their music lyric and what they stand for. What other Kpop group will inspire that kind of symbiotic relationship.
@@eileencritchley4630 exactly
They also need to invest in their artist themselves eg artist development so they have at first some imput what they want to sing about, give they access to learn to write, compose, produce their own lyric's. Not just copy what someone else is doing. Do something new no more rinse and repeat. No more media hype, let your artist grow naturally.
As a non pop/band-group/idol fan (untill BTS) i wanna say BTS is that once-in-a-lifetime band, like Beatles, Michael Jackson, Prince, Pink Floyd, David Bowie, Rolling Stones, Nirvana, Queen, Black Sabbath, Metallica... That kind of band with their own footprint and it glows, whenever they walk, they leave that trace screaming WE AE BTS not only as a band, but as individuals, as humans and as artist of all kinds. They can do whatever they want and will be perfectly executed and high quality. others bands can be succes, but never will leave the tag "next bts". BTS is the footprint
i rlly dont think the part about control can be stressed enough. bts is great bc of how much control they have over their artistry. the ability to participate in the creative process, whether through writing lyrics, producing, or visuals, is what makes their music so distinct. if labels want their groups to be successful, they need to give them more control and put emphasis on the music
But not every kpop idol has the same kind of passion for music as BTS does, there's passion for performing yes but for music not so much, part of the reason why BTS is so popular is because they truly care about music and song making process in a performance driven industry.
@@BELIEVER78989 Just bcoz they are not in the level of BTS you can't deny their passion for music
Thats quite Judgemental of you
2nd tbh BTS are popular bcoz of
'Highly' catchy beats in their songs
Their choreo is always on point
Their impactful communication with their audience
Their pretty doll like faces
& here I'll give the credit to their
Composer, choreographer & makeup artist also
They're definitely not popular bcoz of their care for the music making process
You already know that how much from the 100% of the a.r.m.y fandom are eagerly trying to know story behind their every songs , unfolding the theories hidden in their mvs and how one song is connected to other song
I seriously am perplexed bout their fame
But a few of time i've heard their fans talking bout their music and i don't need to tell what armies always discuss bout them
If what you are say was true then tell
Why Black Swan & Airplane pt.2
are so underrated ?
Do u know how deep are these songs ?
I don't think anybody care exactly for their music but something else
BTS are one of the great artist & unique bcoz of some reasons but it's pathetic that their crafts are not entirely checked by their fans which they've made out of some much emotion and skills
@@orul8384 first of all I am not gonna read that essay, secondly I doubt you are even an Army, most Armys know how passionate BTS are about music, they constanly spend their time making music, they are realesing solo albums in their hiatus, they don't just make "catchy" beats they actually put their own thoughts into their music, BTS's lyrics are all personal experiences driven from their lives, BTS are "pretty dolls" you say I find it funny how BTS were trolled for this very reason in the beginning of their careers, people called them ugly and shit, why do you think most of the idols don't write their own lyrics or even make their own music because they have passion for performing not music, both are different things, people don't even consider idols artists in Korea because its all manufactured , thats why Bangtan stand out in this industry, many groups are coming out right now with catchy music but are not reaching Bangtan level why do you think that is its because Armys genuinely care about good music not just "catchy beats", I bet you only listened to Dynamite and Butter and think BTS are popular because of catchy tunes lol, go listen to their 10 year discography before judging them, anyway I don't want to argue you can believe whatever you want.
@Mochi Jiminie💜 thats 100% true -- that passion is what so many people gravitate towards. that passion cant be replicated because its authentic to who bts are as musicians and people, and thats exactly why any of these ppl trying to be the next bts wont ever succeed. you cant replicate that genuine love for music they have, its gotta come organically, and that can only come from picking up a pen and getting in the studio
@O!RUL8,3? i think its true that their catchy beats and choreo are part of what attracts people, but most people that stay and become armys do it because their lyrics and music speak to them. the first song i listened to was dope and i didnt fully understand the lyrics then, but that interested me in them and made me listen to their other music and read the lyrics. i disagree with you saying "theyre definitely not popular bcoz of their care for the music making process" bc from what ive seen, armys are definitely interested in that. sure, there are people in the fandom now that just listen to their music cuz it sounds good, but overwhelmingly, army care about their craft. maybe youre just not around the armys im around cuz every army ive seen loves black swan and airplane pt2, and black swan in particular is regarded as one of bts' best songs
hardwork , commitment and true to themselves BTS will surely stay for awhile in this music industry
My take on why BTS can't be replicated, is that lyrics wise, other groups almost dont talk about darker sides of their story. like with girl groups for example, they mostly compose of "we are the biggest, we are the strongest", with boy groups, the lyrics are way too thematic driven, leaving me with a bitter taste, only StrayKids were the group aside from BTS that portrayed the darker messages, but it transformed into this mainstream sound, that everyone does, plus the sound imo of k-pop is either degrading, in experimantel stage, or just producers are way too tired, and dont have time to discover something new, and use the new sounds. The questioning dark side is shown in J-hope's last mixtape, for example in Arson, "the question is do i burn brighter or put the fire out" and he talk deeply about him burning out, in "More" he talked about his arrogance towards wanting more, but at the same time, not wanting it, and that work makes him breath, while at the same time wanting to live his life, while having a sound that compliment the themes. Suga had the same thing going on, he questioned things in his mixtape, the goverment, the schools, the system in general, RM as well, Jungkook was self-reflecting on his life, in his songs. So i believe the creative freedome is definetly needed if K-pop industry wants to grow bigger, but when they claim the freedome is there, they actually control to creative proccess, not giving the opportuinity to release the potential they have.
But the industry will be industry, the companies will be too stubborn, because they are lead by older people, who believe in different things, and will want to keep control.
Ikr, I thought I was the only one thinking that there seems to be similarities in terms of sound among the recent boy groups. An example is Skz and Ateez with these dark themes and sonds but hey I could be wrong. I apologise if I am.
Only one note, I think maybe the reason you think skz transformed into this "mainstream" sound is because they are the mainstream for kpop now lol, just saying.
I actually agree to your point by having patience and by not trying too hard to achieve sudden success. It took almost 2 years for BTS for reaching number one by first capturing fans in the domestic Korean market... BTS did it slowly but surely... Non-Korean markets especially in the US prefer artists that are authentic and less manufactured... The success of 1D, for example was they didnt try to be hip and followed the music trends, they were just themselves... And thats what BTS did they had control on their artistry unlike the other Kpop groups... I actually was thinking of Seventeen, Stray Kids and Ateez as the next Kpop group to go big since they also self-produce but the sad thing.. these groups are focused to crack the Western market.. They might have high album sales but they are abysmal in the digital and singles charts..
1d is the epitome of manufactured in the west and even worse than idol groups. They were as Industry plants as these idol groups from medium 3 are. Conwell took advantage of the mindless teenagers to media play this group to the mediocre success they had. That is why no music critic ever took them seriously. They are just as manufactured as any idol group with the same meaningless dated recycled construction noises. The only difference is they were even more lazy than medium 3 idols.
The "new bts" groups can try to replace but it's best just to be themselves, (like BTS) and not compare, just write great music, love people and be kind. You can't recreate 7 personalities/clones like BTS, they are unique in looks, emotions, and characters. No wonder these groups failed... they weren't themselves. How stupid. That's like buying a fake Rolex on the street and trying to make us believe it's real.
That's a great comparison, and you're absolutely right. BTS are the genuine ones. Everyone who tries to copy them comes off fake, and that doesn't appeal much.
9:55 The way I laughed out loud at this part "I love myself I love myself I love myself"
The way that these people have the audacity to even compared themselves to BTS is just laughable to me.
People need to realize how BTS started their debut. They started with nothing, nowadays, if a group is coming into the world, they already have the essentials for starting out.
Be your own person and find your way to make music. You cannot remake something that is already done. BTS is BTS.
All of these ‘boy bands’ who are made in a factory will never understand how hard it is to make it to the top. They already have it all and they’ll never understand why people don’t fall in love with their work. It’s for the money and that’s how they fail.
so true. the level of excellence of each bts member is so high, that each one of them can have solo careers that will outshine other kpop groups collectively. the first two solo attempts already show that the achievement of one bts member is greater than what other kpop groups could dream of. imagine jhope headlining an iconic american music festival by himself and creating such an impression with his first album from music fans and critics alike. imagine jin selling a million-plus physical copies of his first solo track -- an achievement that other kpop groups can only wish for. as one black american critic commented, bts as a band is like having seven beyonces in one group. that's high praise by any measure, which sadly no other kpop bts wannabe can approximate.
The fact of SM attempting to find “the next BTS” and promoting them as “the Avengers of K-Pop” is so sad and honestly, embarrassing.
It only shows how companies are willing to waste their artists’ potential and individuality just to try to make them fit into the label of being “the next BTS”, thus not letting their artists have a real identity. So sad😞
(hope what I said makes sense)
EXACTLY.. i was just watching their premier in US today and omg that "we are the future on kPOP" statement didnt age well, plus the fact that one of the members literally said they were the best of the best in the industry, like what about the others from SM that were not in SUPerM?... THAT whole idea of super group just made the other members look bad.
The entertainment agencies forgot that it’s the army that solidified BTS… they have the story, they are humble and they have the charisma!
Like Namjoon has been saying all these years:
“We’ve been doing our own thing. We’re thankful that people are feeling it, loving it, and now we’re here.”
The difference between kpop and BTS is just by that phrase alone. BTS didn’t care whether they had a million fans or thirty. If their songs, their music, their messages reached just one person, they were grateful. Even now, they appreciate every single ARMY because they know each ARMY is their own person with their own story. It’s never been about how many awards they have, #1’s they could achieve, Grammys they could grab. It’s always been about their story, music, message, and passion at the very heart of their work. It’s why ARMYs have never doubted BTS even as they go off to serve their mandatory service. They’ve been doing their own thing, going against the normal stream. They’ve taken risks, many risks. Done things that no other artist has done before. And that’s why they have the recognition they have. They weren’t afraid to do their own thing. If people liked them, that was an added bonus. They truly, truly do this job because they are passionate for it. They have a motivation that’s beyond the materialistic achievements. And that’s the difference. If there’s no stronger motivation behind why you chose the career you did, you’re bound to die out, I’m sorry to say. This is why BTS is worldwide. They care about their music and their message, not the successes they gain. They continue to do their own thing despite everyone telling them to do other things. They keep shocking the world by going places, doing, and achieving things others could only dream of.
If the artists aren’t passionate about their work, they’re gonna fail. That’s why everyone has failed.
One sentence: BTS is not kpop or neither biggest boy band global, for me as an ARMY , they're my soul therapy/a true performer. 💜
They don't care about highest chart attention whatever, they really pour all their sincere feelings write the true song, that's what all the group/band fail one and other because not the company force them do like BTS, but instead not be inspire like BTS...this is sad
@@riluluyaaaa3283 exactly
People in the music industry and music media don’t understand that BTS growth and popularity was an organic one; that their success didn’t come over night. So whenever Rolling Stone magazine or Billboard and whatnot are talking about “finding the next BTS” it’s like they are literally shooting themselves in the foot because they refuse to understand that the boys aren’t your run of the mill idol group and that there’s no one else like them and it’ll never be duplicated! The hardships they have encountered in their early years have forged their characters and their bond!
I remember a comment that said BTS represented people who were lost, or having trouble finding their way, and that's how everyone felt at a point in time. They were fulfilling this gap in the music industry and that's why they're so successful. It's because people wanted to push 'one of their own'. I think this is one of the main keypoints that copycats are missing.
FINALLY, someone pointed out the "Love Yourself" concept flux that came AFTER BTS BECAUSE of BTS !!!!
It is insane how obvious it is yet people deny it
That was incredible, boracity! Thanks for all the amazing hard work, detailed research, and straight truth. I'm so glad that I found such a high-quality, entertaining, and creative channel as yours. Keep slaying!
The " smooth like butter & sweet like mango" made me laugh I don't know why?!?!😭😂😂
Thank you for the video, It was informative, all what you said was facts, I agreed with everything.
Love you, stay safe 💜✨
Omggg sameee😂🤣and I was even more shocked to know it was from big bang like... That's soo embarassing...I mean no hate to the idols but the concept n song 😬
@@nidhiihdin4699 I think it was Super Junior but the reaction is still the same 😂
@@monimuppet6132 ohh God yess it's super junior 😭😭sorry for my mistake...but yeah my point stands the same😂
😂😂Then shine like gold like bruh we don't expect such thing from a senior grp who were way more in the industry compared to BTS. SM being SM as always. 🙄😂
Ikr 😂😂💜 geez
One of the many, many characteristics I love sooooo much about BTS is their sincere humility! They have never stopped perfecting their craft...always striving to improve! When they give a stage of any kind, they always give 200% and still look for ways they can do better! They genuinely strive to give their very best to the fans that have supported them on their journey, and it shows in everything they do!!!
BTS are themselves, that's what makes us love them. They cover issues we all face in our daily lives in their music. The other groups cannot replace BTS if they are running after being BTS and not being themselves
BTS IS BTS. No other can compare they have already gained people's hearts through years. They raise up from nowhere to where they are today.