I think she exhausted all her options as the control panel was fucked up by wanda, also the ultron bots were all destroyed so the fire extinguisher was just a last ditch desperate attempt to break it not because she genuinely thought that it was the only way to release her.
Kevin Feige didn’t want Dr Strange to appear in WandaVision because his presence would overshadow Wanda’s “character arc”. He then decides to have Wanda overshadow Strange’s character arc in his own movie. That doesn’t seem fair.
It wasn't even that he would "overshadow her character arc". Here's his quote, from several articles about it: “We didn’t want the end of the show to be commoditized to go to the next movie - here’s the white guy, ‘Let me show you how power works,'” he explained.
@@wumpusrat And yet Multiverse of Madness ends up being just exactly that. A continuation of Wanda's story and the multiverse instead of being Dr Strange's own.
You're missing the main point in what he said he said a "white man" upstaging her which is a crime however this is a woman upstaging a man which is progress to these ppl
I knew one of the writers on the first Dr. Strange movie, a guy named Carlyle. The dude hardcore pushed for it to be as comic accurate as possible and I'm pretty sure was the reason the first movie turned out the way it was. Unfortunately he 'stepped out of line ' and got canned so...here we are.
I didn't know Cargill had gone by Carlyle before you wrote this. Anyway, he also desperately wanted to make a Capt Marvel movie. Had a draft made and was told, in so many words, you're not a woman and we need women to write this so pound sand. Edit: also by "stepped out of line" it's probably more accurate to say he told the truth. On Disney was being accused of racism for casting Tilda Swinton as the Ancient One, he mentioned that it was done because the character in the comics is Tibetan and that wouldn't work with China.
Is comic book accuracy such a bad thing? So you will use the basic look for the characters yet getting the characters right with maybe a few tweaks to modernise is just something can not or want to do so?
They straight up skipped Dr. Strange 2. Where Strange would stop Baron Mordo and we would finally get to see him become Sorcerer Supreme. Bridging the gap between Dr. Strange and Ragnorak.
They taking the joke of wong being sorcerer supreme too serious , ancient one was like oh dr strange is the chosen one, wongs like naaa i want to be boss
Best guess is it was in some kind of per-production and then things had to be changed to fit "the message" of a female phase 4. On top of that falling Disney+ sales means they had to tie in the TV shows as well.
Dr. Strange: "You don't need to train to actively control your power. You are so awesome that you have been subconsciously controlling it since the beginning. Even the portal that sent your moms across the Multiverse."
"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?" -George Carlin.
WandaVision oops 🙊 Dr Strange is all about the all powerful Wanda as she makes the MSheU a fully female universe where all the male characters are simps or dead ☠ ! Eww… 🤮 Dr Strange ! Get woke 🌈 ! Go broke 💸 ! Ha ! Ha ! Ha ! Hilarious 😂,
TBF Wanda IS insane. Always has been. The only difference between old comics and disney's cringefest is the old comics didn't allow her madness to be applauded and awarded.The whole point of vision being her husband was he was nigh indestructible and infinitely patient.
exactly! even in the comics after she has these moments, she always tries and fixes them and regrets doing them in the first place, and everyone around her makes sure it isn't okay and tries to help her get better so it can't happen. why the movies can't portray this even though it would be easy af is beyond me it's as if they never read the comics lmao
@@blyat8832 Not only have they not bothered to read the comics, but they choose to misread Wanda's character in light of intersectional feminism, as if to insist that nothing bad she does can be her fault because it's oppressive men who are to blame, never her.
@@RanMouri82 Nobody actually believes that except Monica maybe. I think everyone is just handling her like they have to because she can erase them from existence just for disagreeing.
@@RanMouri82 wtf are you talking about. When she realises what SHE had done she literally commits suicide and destroys every copy of Darkhold before that, because she cannot live with what she's done. She is nowhere near good guy here. She was corrupted, murdered and tortured people and then when she realised what SHE has done she kills herself. There is no men to blame. Are you seriously saying someone tried to blame men in this movie for her actions? Did you even watch the movie?
Wanda in Wandavision: I kidnapped and puppeteered hundreds of innocent civilians to make my fake sit-com world but at least I didn’t hurt anyone, I only scarred them for life. At the very least I’ve learned my lesson and I’ll never do it aga- Wanda in MvM: I brutally murdered hundreds of people without even a second thought for my own selfish, immoral and unjustified reasons but I stopped being evil at the end so I’ve totally learned my lesson and will never do it agai- Wanda next time she shows up:😈
Yeah I was confused af. I didn't watch the last couple of Wandavision episodes (due to apathy) but I heard they wrapped her arc up. But she's evil again? Because of evil book? Oh ffs.
There was a part during the beginning of the third act where they were running away from Wanda in a tunnel while closing steel doors to try to slow her down. At one point, the last door closes and all of them just stop running away and look at the door to see what happens for what feels a good minute. I guarantee you that there was a very audible annoyed groan coming from the audience. I was livid at how stupid that was.
how arent more people talking about this dumb scene?! super cringe. they literally waited for wanda and the music went away and they all get their closeups it was so dumb
@@emfasisproductions1 It was so bad, I heard kids asking their parents why they stopped running. Even kids thought this was stupid. After the first 30 seconds, all I could think about was "Omg, fucking MOVE!"
I was also baffled immensely by this scene. The point of it was to move away from her to get the book as fast as possible, but no they STAND STILL AND WAIT FOR HER TO BREAK THOUGH/PASS IT. It's horrible in every aspect of the word.
No one mentioned how Reed Richards, the smartest man in their universe the only line he said to Wanda was to give away their second most powerful persons abilities and exactly what she needed to do to completely nullify him.
Truthfully, I saw and felt Sam Raimi's direction. That part I loved. But the writing is what murdered it. Now learning it's the same writer for the Loki series I should have gone in with even lower expectations.
@@SpartanArmy117 I can agree with you. I can easily pick out my favorite parts right off the top of my head. It is a fun movie overall it's just when they force you to suspend disbelief for the most common sense things it is those moments that start to grind on our nerves. I agree with Drinker that they make Wanda out to be this tragic heroine, but it backfires with just how much of an asshole she just is. They sell her so hard to be liked for her flaws when you just can't with such bad writing towards dialogue that's so forced. In short, as I stated in my original post, I see and feel Raimi's direction, but the writing pulls it backwards from really going on an easily, and what should have been, a straight and narrow line. Personally, this movie is 2 steps forward, 3 steps backwards in comparison to like Black Widow THAT movie overall definitely was 1 step forward, 10 steps backwards. Sorry for the long response, btw.
The delusion of people on social media celebrating Wanda murdering innocent people because "yaas kween" makes me hate this film more and more and really gives an insight into the psyche of those pushing her as doing the right thing.
She is woman, we are hearing her roar. The people that died were mostly just extras anyway. Cept for for one in particular. I'll never get used to seeing that man die. Gut wrenching every time.
So while I don't disagree as to the quality of Wandavision but having recently watched it...what innocents did she kill? Outside of the corrupt S.W.O.R.D agents she didn't kill anyone. She set the mind controlled people she had controlled for like 2 weeks free but she definitely didn't kill any of them as far as I saw.
I enjoyed the direction they took her in this movie but you can't justify her actions or forgive them now, if the movie had ended with them patching things up and being friends at the end I would have been pissed, but people celebrating her actions in this is ridiculous.
to be fair, Wanda being crazy and became the villain after everything that happened on her show is totally consistent and make sense, even her closure make sense, the way she accepted her fate and just peace out. the confusing thing how tf marvel keeps telling she is a good, kind hearted loving girl by showing her as menacing awesome kickass villain... i mean cmon marvel she has been villain since the begining... she is only "good" when avenger were fighting a greater evil; ultron and thanos
Well to be fair, she was severely corrupted by the darkhold. The movie clearly explains that book corrupts the minds of those who wield its power for too long. Doctor Strange knows her deep down that she's capable of doing a lot of good. It's like having a friend be severely addicted to drugs. It's also like that in the comics, she's morally grey and at times selfish but in the end she usually does a lot of good. She's also kind of like jean grey, good person at heart but often she's either being manipulated or her mind is clouded causing her to make mistakes and hurt people. In wandavision while she did enslave an entire town, she technically didn't kill anybody innocent and it was clear she was being manipulated by agatha in her grief.
@@CsDanex21 That's a good explanation. I kind of wish there were some interactions between Wanda and Strange prior to this movie because the only scenes they were together before was at Tony's funeral where they may have interacted? It's not clear how Strange new about Westview. Perhaps, he read about it in New York Post? Peter-Strange interactions were effective in No Way Home because they had shared history together from Infinity War
I think the “you did nothing wrong in wandavision” makes sense from everyone’s standpoint if you see it as them trying to talk down an emotionally unstable and unstoppable super goddess who subconsciously mind controlled a town and formed a bubble reality because she had a bad day.
According to the showrunner, the intent behind that cringe line was misinterpreted. Allegedly, the point was that nobody will know the good you've done or the sacrifices you've made that broke you down to this point because they'll only remember the bad you did here. It was less of an excuse for her actions and more sympathy for the reasons she was in this situation in the first place. If we are to believe that this is what was intended, that's perfectly legitimate. In that case, however, it was still a terrible line that really poorly communicated what they were trying to say.
Nope. Wandavision is a fake sitcom hostage situation story caused by Rapunzel and his stepmom. Should have contacted Strange and his magic armies from the beginning and tries to negotiate with Wanda or neutralizd her if it didn't work.
See this is what I thought at the beginning during that scene. However, when he sees America later he clearly didn’t know Wanda was unstable/evil as they made a joke about how he told the one person who was looking for her where to find her.
They literally did the spider-man web joke in No way home and all Tom said "does it come out of your wrist or anywhere else?". That was at least humorous because it makes sense with Toby's version and it didn't spell it out for you. How incompetent are these writers that one movie ago they did the exact same joke and better? Because, you know, cognitive thinking.
Tells you a lot about their current creative writing ability if they're reusing their own jokes from previous films which were only mildly amusing at best the first time around.
@@CoffeeConnected Not their own. The trick of the worker of the month, watered down, at wrong moment. Basically a parody, but board of woke accepted anyway...
I loved the MCU all the way through endgame I was a huge fan, saw each movie within the first week it came out….. My interest and enthusiasm is so low for current MCU I couldn’t care less about spoilers
Endgame is a pretty weak movie as well, like they didn't even tried to fact check their own movies before writing the time travel script, it's so inconsistent my brain enters survival mode while watching and piecing things together.
The thing is Endgame had 10 years story behind it and seeing it ends was very epic. Although MCU was not perfect back then but it had some good movies such as Iron Man 1, Thor or Captain America. the difference is in the story telling and the characters they're building, in which, MCU does not miss any chance to fuck it up. You can clearly see it in Loki (the female one), Miss Marvell (or what ever!), Wanda or even their male characters like Spider-Man and Dr. Strange.
Biggest plot hole for me was... Wanda is basically a walking reality stone. She got in trouble (kinda) because she took an entire town hostage. So to fix it she willingly dropped the reality bubble and yeeted her own 3 creations into nothingness. Then she secluded herself to some cabin in the woods. Sadly the only thing evil dead about it was Wanda herself here... She then proceeds to create ANOTHER reality bubble around the cabin so it looks pretty and has some of the biggest non-fruiting apple trees ive ever seen.... Without recreating her husband and 2 kids again. Why? She could literally just remake them at any given time but is like "nah, i need a different Wandas kids so i can take em dimension hopping for some chicken noodle soup and sprite when they get the sniffles."
I always thought her power needed to come from the Ether/Reality stone, and not the Mind Stone. It's practically 1:1 copy of the Reality Stone's power, down to the visual aesthetics. Having her battle Thanos with both warping reality would've been amazing to see.
Ever since i noticed the whole men cant defeat women rule its kinda put a massive dampener on my enjoyment of these films because you just know whats going to happen. Case in point Mr. Fantastic, Black Bolt and Professor X all get destroyed before being able to land a single attack. Cant wait to see the "GODKILLER" get slapped around by Valkyrie and Lady Thor in love and thunder. /S
@@kingovharts exactly, Wanda could easily wrap them in spaghetti without touching them and both carter and marvel didn’t even try to stop her from killing reed, just stand there and watch
I over heard Valkeriye is going to defeat Gor by kissing her new girlfriend. He's going to complain and she'll call him a bigot. And just like that he's snapped out of existence. Thanos style
I find it funny how all the 20th century Fox marvel leaders (Blackbolt, Mr. Fantastic, and Prof. X) were all in the same universe. I also find it funny how Wanda kills off the three new male characters off rather quickly, while she has slow, drawn out fights with the variant ladies who we have already seen. I did appreciate the brutality of some if the deaths, mainly Blackbolt and Captain Carter.
@@KeytarArgonian The white dude was never allowed to win. Ever. Unless he was fighting another white dude. They telegraphed all this with the stupid wedding scene. Are we really supposed to believe that a goddamned superhero can't get whatever woman strikes his fancy?
She scattered her mom’s across the universe, orphaning herself all because of a bee . No one will be buzzing around excitedly, to beelive this crap fest of an origin story.
I still want an explanation on how a person from an alternate universe with neither of these regions is named AMERICA and is supposed to be a latina. Her real name should be Alien McAlienface.
@@HerculesBallsInc Mexican chavez. Also why does she mainly speak Spanish ? From her planet, is that all they mainly speak or; was that a pull to that community aswell?
The Illuminati scene was pure cheese. Black Bolt and Reed Richards are supposed to be that cocky… ? Seemed like Professor X was the only one who wasn’t… and how many times do we need to see him die now? Wanda basically mentally assaulted an entire town and why are we still told we’re supposed to feel badly for her about it? This movie was essentially Evil Dead set in the MCU. Tons of typical Raimi calls.
@@gravesidepoet5405 man there was more gore than a typical marvel movie.. but a lot of sequences seemed like they cut away from the gore rather quickly.. so they definitely not sticking to the slasher horror aspect of the movie..
The worst part is that everyone I know who cares about the MCU does keep up with both the movies and the shows. Also, no one knowing who Black Bolt was just goes to prove how Marvel really messed up introducing the Inhumans, not only to the MCU but overall.
It’s not too bad if you don’t care about internal consistency. I don’t see the issue with trying to push powerful female characters as we will see more men like Kang the Conqueror or Professor X eventually.
@@maxthexpfarmer3957 Although I agree with you, my point was that the target audience for these movies is not the casual viewer anymore, anyone interested in the MCU will, in 90% of cases, most likely be up to date with everything. It is also weird that the Drinker and his pals expect Dr. Strange 2 to be a sequel to the first one despite how counter-intuitive it sounds, the MCU is basically a sequential TV show now, its just that each episode (actual shows and movies) happen to have different protagonists, and even the casual viewer who is not into every movie and/or tv show knows that.
@@Criegrrunov Agents of SHIELD had several powerful female characters, but the MCU movies never referenced the TV shows due to some political infighting between Marvel's movie and TV divisions. (The current Disney+ shows are made by the movie division, with the old TV division no longer existing.) Marvel just got done training people that the TV shows don't matter, then all of a sudden expect everyone to be following the streaming shows.
@@KasumiKenshirou Once again, I agree, although I do wonder why you and the other guy that replied before you mentioned "powerful female characters" as if it was something I mentioned having an issue or something with on my original comment, I liked Daisy and Melinda from SHIELD, I like Captain Carter, Jessica Jones, Madame Gao, I hope to see White Tiger in the MCU as well sometime in the future... But that wasn´t the point I was making, if anything, at least you kinda acknowledged it on your last paragraph.
@@Criegrrunov Daisy, Melinda, Jemma, Bobbi and even Yo Yo all are the definition of "powerful female characters." Why? Because they have personality and learn from their mistakes and even their arcs are great!
I thought Patrick Stewart's performance in Logan was heartbreaking. My own father was dying from complications relating to dementia when it came out. I never thought that would be almost the last Marvel film I watched.
@@fr0ck360 A lot of the horrible ideas actually came from Patrick Stewart, going back as far as the TNG movies. E.g., his brother's entire family dying (including his young nephew Rene) in a fire (originally only his brother was going to die of a heart attack) in Generations, the dune buggy chase in Nemesis, and turning Picard into an action hero in general in the TNG movies. And with Star Trek: Picard, he was totally on board with the show being all about THE MESSAGE, proudly stating in interviews that the show was going to be about Brexit and Trump. Patrick Stewart is also a hypocritical feminist who enthusiastically supports abortions, but he also dumps his wives when they get too old and replaces them with younger ones. His current wife is the same age as I am, and I wasn't even 10 years old when TNG debuted. (To be clear, I don't have a problem with him dating or marrying a younger woman, but his behavior just doesn't correspond to his stated beliefs.)
@@KasumiKenshirou You do realize that Trek was all about "Messages" and nothing in the actual show was about Trump and Brexit right? When you complain, at least complain about stuff that was actually there.
I saw this last night with my aunt. She’s seen most of the Marvel Studios movies, but she’s never seen a Disney Plus show in her life. She was completely lost during Multiverse of Madness. She hated it because of that. Disney is playing a dangerous game by making the Disney + shows mandatory viewing.
Some people don't want that they are in it for the big blockbuster. I don't like that you have to have watched so much to go into the movie but it's the whole. Interconnected universe idea. I understand that. Everyone that complains about that is like some one going into a 3 part movie not seeing the 1 and 2.
@@jeremyfields8661 she’s seen all of the Marvel Studios movies. She shouldn’t have to watch Disney+ shows in order to understand Doctor Strange 2. There asking WAY too much from general audiences.
@@cajunotaku3256 I understand but they way the Marvel Universe is thats how it is. Everything is pretty much connected. It wasnt really a movie but a couple hours of Marvel content. that's the one downside to the interwoven universe.
@Szymon Lech Dzięcioł the problem with all the interconnection is that it's just basically there to get us to consume content. I have neither the time nor inclination to view every streaming MCU series in order to understand what's going on in their universe. Especially when many of the shows are badly written forcing me to sit through hours of tortuous plot in order to comprehend what's going on. In the long run it's going to cause casual fans to lose interest because movie plot lines will start to become incomprehensible to them. The movies should stand on their own. If you want to have interconnection between team movies (i.e. avengers eternals) with individual movies that makes some sense. But don't make me watch TV series with characters I have no interest in seeing as a main character.
The MCU and their fan boys act like Scarlett Witch is some unstoppable force in the comics even though she has like two feats in the comics that make her look strong. She would get destroy by heavy hitters.
In the comics, she is the most powerful character as she manipulates probability across the entire multiverse. She can literally blink things into or out of existence by manipulating the probability of it ever having been. Granted, they have to nerf her as that would essentially make her a goddess, but at least in The Ultimates she’s a beast.
@@ab5olut3zero95 Other than House of M or AvX story she has not shown those feats. She has low durability and slow reaction she would get ko by speed blitz from a lot of characters. I didn't read any of the the ultimate universe stuff, so I have no idea how strong she is in that. Also she isn't nearly close to some of the strongest reality manipulators like Franklin Richard, he would destroy her.
Taken out within nanoseconds to be honest. Should have revealed the MCU Wanda was possessed by a variant Wanda trying to free herself and the Visions recognised this with White Vision flew off to warn Dr Strange. Wanda's reality stone powers is why she was able to get off Scot free
I do agree, Wanda's powers are the most inconsistent and unexplained thing in the MCU. They never really define her limits which makes you wonder if she even has one. She seems to be able to beat anyone at anything simply bc she's the scarlet witch
yeah, in the comics it's explained that she gets more and more powerful due to emotional trauma and mood swings, so she's at her most dangerous when in a crisis. age of Ultron showed this, but for some reason no other MCU media could actually portray this accurately lazy writing amiright
she mostly just flew around and thew red laser beams in most of the movie. She can do terrible stuff with mind and witchcraft but they never did that until she got dark hold and became a demon/witch killing folks.
She's magical which is a built in way of not being limited, there's a spell for everything and....Doc Strange does the same thing "A building is falling" Oh, well let me use the orange blood blossom of king shitstain, its just the thing!" I always default to characters who are basically nuts are always going to be stronger, they have no inhibitions.
Its a common rule in movies these days- There are no real evil women. They have all turned evil because of men. And even if women have to be stopped, they will be stopped by themselves and not by any man. They dont need to work hard to gain their power. They are perfect the way they are and they have all the power they need. No matter what they do, they deserve love and respect from everyone (peak entitlement). They just need to believe in themselves and stop listening to the toxic men. Other men losing lives trying to save the world is not sacrifice made by those men but sacrifice made by women because their feefee got hurt and they have to live with it. The new He Man or more like Teela Show, Captain Marvel, Mulan, Black Widow, these are the new archetypes of modern cinema. And it wont stop. Not only are they producing garbage, they are also making it important to ruin every other character that were well received by the fans. All their story arcs completely ruined. Whether its Captain America, Thor, Charles Xavier, Iron Man, Hulk, Dr. Strange, James Bond, Luke SKywalker, Darth Vader, Loki, next Obi wan, all of them.
Thank you!!! I thought I was crazy to think that it was a terrible movie. It was a woman propaganda reminding us how perfect they are, the movie was pointless because Wanda could basically do anything from the start because she is a woman
Finally you get it. It is deconstruction at its finest. Critical Theory seeks to undermine and destroy everything you've come to love. You must be taught to hate yourselves. Stop funding your destruction.
For the first half of the MCU they referred to all this space magic as _Radiation._ Which, to the fact that they brought in Banner to track it. The bifrost and the Reality stone probably caused FemThor's cancer.
I especially loved [SPOILERS]'s death by exposition: Mr Fantastic: We're going to stop you, witch. But first, I'm going to introduce the guy who's going to do it and explain his powers in detail so you not only know how to defeat them but trick him into blowing his own brains out. Strange:😐... You're the smart one, right?
I dont understand how black bolts own power can hurt him. His powers are based on sound waves so any time he uses his power, with or without a mouth he hurts himself? That shit made no sense.
@@XXnoblev2XX fair point. those sound waves are definitely louder with a working mouth. I can hurt my own ears if I yell loud enough. If you cover my mouth then I cannot hurt my ears.
Well, I am disappointed that they have ruined my favourite Avenger, but not surprised. I understand Doctor Strange taking the L in Spider-Man's movie, but to not get the W in his own movie? F*ck off, film.
Even in No Way Home it was dumb as hell! Strange with a time stone managed to take a stand against Thanos with four stones! How could he lose even momentarily specially when he used the body and soul speration technique? Power scales considered Spiderman probably is a c-ranked hero. Multiverse of madness can just make things worse. Not bad, worse!
nwh was ok good but they had to shit on strange huh?? they made his char. comedy relief in nwh,imprisong him in his own mirror dimension using plot power.If it wasnt for BC to improv 'We' would have no memory of you at the end,i m like tf were writers thinking if he didnt cared for him y would he perform the spell in the first place. ned fricking opening portals in his first try just so that plot can advance. And i was like np he is getting his own movie, after watching this movie i m fucking disappointed and sad after waiting for a dr strange sequel for six years.
@@ShadowSonic2 and his IQ is insane. He would approach Wanda with multiple backup plans not emotional therapy that gets him killed. Stupid writing. His a logical character.
I found a copy that fell off the back of a pirate ship yesterday(never giving Disney any more money), after hearing Chris talk about it both here and on the Nooner with Gary, and it was a hot mess. Definitely feels like 2 movies mashed together in a rush. I couldn't even finish it in one shot, since I was facepalming pretty hard for a good chunk of it...
I was wholly disappointed by this movie. It was too rushed. The dialogue was iffy at many points. The only saving grace was the acting of both Benedicts, Wong and Cumberbatch. The costume design and Dr Strange's hair were so garish and cartoony I was distracted throughout the entire movie. Wanda is not intimidating, or scary, she just comes across as irritating. Olsen's little lip twitching and quivering and chin high-holding does not come across as broken, sympathetic, or sad. The whole thing was easily predictable, nothing came as a surprise. I was hoping for so much more. I think I'm done with the MCU
I actually agree with Hela being unbeatable while Asgard still stood, it gave a high cost for victory and allowed Thor to become a better ruler, both by superior strategy and willingness to sacrifice for his people. Too bad the MCU did absolutely nothing with it, and they outright shit on any future character growth regarding that with the opening scene of Infinity War.
I think the main dump that the writers took on Thor's story arc was in End Game. He supposed to be this leader, cheering his people and he must have been totally aware that the true power of any kingdom lies in it's people but nah... they turned him into a fat freak.
@Szymon Lech Dzięcioł I get that but we are talking about the clax of the film and what is satisfying for an audience to see. It may make sense but that doesn't make it better.
She never once mentioned wanting Vision back and with the multiverse her oyster, should could have chosen one in which Vision was alive, but she didn't. This is all about her wanting kids and every image we saw of Wanda's with kids, there was no vision. So she murdered hundreds of people and tried to kill a young girl, because she wanted to be a single mom.
I’d just like to point out Reed Richards is always written as the most intelligent man in his universe, why the fuck is his first instinct to run towards a witch. You know what would’ve been cool, Reed just casually pulls out the Ultimate Nullifier or some shit leading to Wanda having to come up with a creative solution to get them. Or Professor X losing to Scarlet Witch in the mind, this isn’t Jean Grey guys.
Last week I saw The Northman, today I saw Dr Strange 2. It's like going from a gourmet 3 star michelin dine to a Mc Donalds happy meal. And the happy meal has no ketchup.
I've been reading John Byrne's Superman run lately, and there is an issue where Lex Luthor is trying to convince one of the soon to be New Guardians that she should side with him against the Super heroes. He tells a story about Superman fighting a villian named Combattor, and he frames everything that superman does as being selfish and self-aggrandizing, that he doesn't care about the people around him, he destroys property without a thought to who he might be hurting and how it will effect the city, and so on. And it hit me, Supervillians are now writing our superhero stories. The Heroes are being framed as bad guys and the bad people who actually do bad things are being portrayed as victims of their Tyranny. The People who do the right thing, who try to handle problems in the best way possible are now the considered EVIL, and the Emotionally unstable Jerks who act irrationally and actually hurt other people whether they have a reason to or now are GOOD........It's insane
This was discussed in one of these happy hour videos about Warhammer 40k. Same theme of the villains being the pitiful ones that we should sympathize with.
I think Sam Raimi was held back because of it being a Marvel film. They have their marvel formula, all their Marvel-isms that they want in every film. Kind of ruins a films potential to be truly it's own.
I really felt a tug of war the whole movie between it trying to be a Raimi movie and a marvel movie. I enjoyed most of the movie once the illuminati scene started. Before then it was a little slow.
@@LovePH926 Well… other than evil huwhyte male told he’s supposed to feel bad about something he didn’t do, America and her two mothers, we’re still supposed to feel badly for Wanda assaulting an entire town with zero consequences, two cocky, huwhyte males getting cocky with Wanda and getting easily punked by her, two women getting farther in the fight (killing the huwhyte one first)… but zero woke sensibility in it.
@@LovePH926 The only way the movie could have had more work sensibility would have been if it was filmed starring antifa and BurnLootMurder activists on the set of a Lilith Fair show. They even had Wanda stealing Kaecelius’ “Hypocrite!” line.
16:19 WHATTT?? My mouth was literally open with amazement at that. She needs the powers to travel the universes just in case the kids fall sick and she needs medicine from another dimension?? Are you serious? Is that how piss poor these writers are??
@@kendallrivers1119 it does make sense. The whole premise, and it's consistent across every single multiverse is that she's lost her mind after killing the love of her life and she's obsessed with her kids.
@@kendallrivers1119 She couldn't even put them to sleep with her powers. Since she can't do anything to them magic wise, It makes sense for her to say that because if they do get some type of virus that doesn't have a cure, With America's power she could go to another dimension that does have one.
Ugh, why are you all taking what she says at face value? SHE'S CRAZY WHEN SHE SAYS THAT. It's not supposed to be a logical statement. Seriously, PAY ATTENTION
On Patrick Stewart's loss of presence with age: I just saw him in 1981's Excalibur as Sir Leondegrance, and all I could think of was Robert Baratheon saying "Gods, I was strong then!"
So I know the panel doesn't have a ton of comic knowledge, but Blackbolt is one of the strongest characters in the comics, on par with Thor and hulk, and the fact that he apparently gets bitchslapped is bad.
@@donpietruk1517 oh I agree Black Bolt got short changed but Reed Richard's (the smartest man in the world) blurted out Black Bolt's power. He's the reason. I imagine Captain Carter is equivalent to Steve Rogers. Tougher than the average human.
Can we also acknowledge that Wanda was only with her kids for a couple days at most before they vanished. What kind of connection could she have possibly developed?
@Jackson Davies | Digital Artist I can have an opinion and yours is interesting, because we seen very different films apparently. lol bad writing is bad writing no matter how you cut it. Also you’re assuming movies will be how you think. This was shit that isn’t gonna be better.
The whole point of trotting Stewart out looking all senile and frail IS to denigrate him it's an extension of what they are doing to his characters. It won't stop because they want people thinking of this doddering old schill instead of a deep voiced vital looking man. These productions aren't about profit. They'll take it if it's there but there is a plan behind how all these characters and actors are being treated.
Source: I made it the fuck up. They evidently showed him for nostalgia points as can clearly be seen by looking at youtube "trailer analysis and speculation" channels around the time of the trailer drop. Stewart Xavier is more iconic than Reboot Xavier.
@@fagarou two things can be correct at the same time. They may have used him for nostalgia in the trailers, but that doesn't take away from what has been done to his characters in the last 5 or so years. Remember one of the plot points of Logan was that Xavier was literally going senile and couldn't control his powers anymore. His character also likened his medication to chemical castration. His character Picard was also ran through the wringer as a sad old man who constantly was lectured and insulted. Now here he is again in this movie going through the same motion. Put 2 and 2 together. They did the same with Harrison Ford's characters. In Indiana Jones he was brought back as a divorced dead beat father. In the Blade runner sequel he was killed off; and in Star wars he was brought back as a divorced deadbeat father a second time and then killed off again. There is a pattern with Hollywood, recognize it. If it was only about sales and money they would have learned their lesson years ago with the all female Ghost busters reboot that flopped; and franchises wouldn't all be commiting ritualistic suicide all at once.
Which character from Dr Strange or even the MCU got killed and replaced in this one ? If you argue that there is a woke reasoning behind it, Wanda herself doesn't count as 1) She's comic book dead so can come back at anytime and 2) She's female and nobody replace her ?
@@fagarou Dr. Strange is now a much less compelling character. He wasn't allowed to defeat any of his enemies besides a different version of himself and he's not even allowed to get an alternate universe Rachel McAdams. Are we really supposed to believe a *fucking superhero* can't get any woman he wants?
@@budwyzer77 So first that wasnt the question and second I'm far from a twitter feminist but that kind of fucked up that you thought anyone "deserve" to get a girl. Especially when this kind of normal life / superhero life dilemma is a really common comic book trop and was literally spelled out during the movie. Strange also didnt get rejected, they only just met (as it as been established alternate selves can be quite différent).
@@fagarou I was replying to you claiming there was no woke shit in the movie. I have no idea how a functioning human being could possibly reach that conclusion.
The only thing i liked about this movie was crazy wanda, The MSheU finally showcased some of the scary things a character with such power can do, it was OP AF but it felt like something wanda could totally do.
We now have a constant stream of movies where zero training new to their powers heroines can close their eyes and focus on “the power within” to simply out brawl foes twice their size and with a lifetimes training. Yet the long established male heroes can’t even defeat their regular rogues gallery without the help/plot-armour-break of a randomly allocated strong independent whammen who is utterly incapable of sustaining their own successful comic run.
@@tomricardo4422 Yes it does, Chavez gets to land her blows on Wanda after gaining "BELIEF IN HERSELF" while Professor X and Reed Richards can't even do shit Dr Strange needed help of Christin to battle the demons for some reason And btw a solo Wanda movie would worked as well as Eternals movie, so they needed Dr Strange to be in the title
I don't understand why they had Marvels most intelligent person(Reed Richards), stand there and just try to GRAB Wanda. Wtf? Reed would of had a way better contingency plan than that, it is ridiculous. How was Wanda not knocked out when getting hit by Caps shield? She is still a human, and from what I can tell she didn't have a force field up. Why was Christine trying to break a cage to hold super heroes with a fire extinguisher? My boy Professor X was done wrong. Even if Wanda is more powerful he would have put up a better fight than that. To bad Legion wasn't there. Captain Marvel can be crushed now by stone? Wtf was that? 2 moms. Edit: For the Wanda stans out there, Thanos still wrecks her in every aspect😂
20:17 THIS was my main issue with the flick, you don't just brush aside Prof. X like he is some red shirt jobber, OR Reed and Black Bolt for that matter. A top 2 telepath in Marvel, X could kill Wanda with a thought if he wanted. OK, she beats him for plot's sake, but he should have put up a HELL of a better fight than that. Very disrespectful to the character
@@thee_morpheus Yeah I was bummed about X. Essentially they used these guys as fodder just so ppl could be like, "holy shit she is so powerful". They shouldn't of even been in the movie if they weren't going to give them enough screen time and a proper fight. Can't believe they had Reed do that man. Starlord would of had a better plan than that.
@@thee_morpheus And what rules did Dr. Strange break? He also didn't murder anybody. Ridiculous line and comparison. This movie had good effects, about all I can say.
Actually, yeah what the fuck? I thought that for a split second to myself in the cinema then it just went out of my head. But seriously, where was Vision every single time?
@Szymon Lech Dzięcioł Lmao based. Vision would have been so greatly appreciated in this. It's a bit odd that she was clambering for her two fictitious children who she'd known for a month but had made peace with Vision being dead despite being fully aware of the infinite possibilities of the Multiverse.
MCU peaked with Infinity War. Change my mind. Also - requiring viewers to watch the Disney+ content makes *perfect sense* when this movie was made for Disney+. The fact that it's in theaters is just advertising to get more subs.
Agree, Endgame was pretty flawed. •They massacred Hulk by skipping his development to Professor Hulk and have him sidelined, The comics did Professor Hulk better. •They massacred Thor by removing his title of king and have him fat and playing Fortnite, I could get by with the depression, but everyone makes fun of him for it. •The BS time travel subplot that created loads of issues and resulted in the Loki series creation. •Old Captain America is a pretty big plot hole when you think about it. He abandoned his friends for a girl, he should’ve been in another timeline, he could’ve died of old age and Sam wouldn’t get the shield. •The “woman power” scene. •Jokes, Jokes everywhere.
@@ShadowSonic2 No you corporate simp, I’ll criticize women for being terrible human beings with bad moral fibers, look when a teenage robot has more humanity and heroic values you know Hollywood messed up! You are clearly simping for corporate tomfoolery, you are promoting harmful behavior and you don’t see anything wrong with it because you are stuck in a delusion when it’s pretty much predictable at this point, it’s in FACE VALUE!
I've spoken to three friends this afternoon who are keen to see this film this weekend. I wanted to tell them not to go, to save their money and do something better, but sometimes you can't talk someone out of a bad idea. They have to see if for themselves.
Anybody going to see anything MCU at this point should not be allowed to mage their own money, but have some sort of caretaker do that for them. And if they can walk out of this movie and not think that Disney stole their time and money deserve to be robbed of both.
@@Shockguey I love the concept of it including Arishem. But my fucking God, they did a terrible job at designing Eternals by having literal emotions. Of course, they’re going to fucking rebel you
Yea, have to strongly agree with two specific comments. 1) Loki destroyed the character Loki; and 2) Infinity stones in a drawer like a collection of paper weights. I was watching Loki with my wife. After the first couple of episodes of Loki, I popped in my The Avengers blu-ray and went straight to Loki's entrance in The Avengers. I asked, is this the Loki in Loki? No, we agreed. They are the same in appearance and name only. Loki was emasculated from the get-go. As soon as they stripped him and put on the shock-collar and the power inhibitors, he was basically emasculated where the only juice left in him was to fall in love with a female version of himself which is in an of itself an "ew, gross" moment.
You know, the multiverse has an infinite amount of universes where wanda is dead while the kids still exist, so wanda should've collaborated with strange to help chavez with her power and open a portal to those particular universes rather than taking chavez's power and kill an alternate wanda
There is a scene where Wong asks her this, she says "what if something happens to the kids, the mulriverse is infinite and has an answer to every problem I wud be able to save them etc.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Glass Cannon. Like when Stark fought Thanos and as his armor deteriorated he was more at risk of dying. That being said I haven't seen MoM but as I understand she does a Cobain?
In the immortal words of Stan “The Man” Lee: “Every issue is someone’s first.” Thank God I was aware of all the details going in. I actually kinda forgot about Baron Mordo and kinda brain farted on Strange having been Snapped for 5 years.
Apart from some cringe moments - the "music fight" was completely bonkers, for example - I enjoyed it. As was mentioned by the boys, the pace is _relentless_ and Raimi's vision is very apparent.
I thought once; I could use fake realities, movies, comics, video games to escape the things I do not enjoy of the every day mundane. However, if there’s one thing I’ve learned in pass years, is there’s no escaping
Wanda created her kids in wandavision, and instead of just making them again but not enslaving a town, she goes on a quest through multiple universes to steal them from herself. Wut?
She can't make them again, she had to use a lot of power to make the fake Vision and he merged with White Vision at the end of the series so she's lost that bit she needs.
Anyone else just thinking that if they were going for the multiverse storyline why they didn't just start in a new universe after end game and do the setup for the next big threat with a brand new cast of characters. It would also allow new actors to take on Iron man and Captain America, Thor, Black widow etc as we all know the actors are tired of these roles. They could have changed their origin stories and do alternate histories. Like you can also have had the characters from the old universe make appearances and help out etc. I'm also thinking about it from a new fans perspective. No new fan is going to have a clue what's happening or why unless they watch several other films and series on a platform that might not exist in a few years time as Disney might pull the plug on plus at some point in the future.
There is precedent for this; you just described the ultimate universe that they created like 20 years ago... It failed and no longer exists now. People hadn't seen one or both of the previous actors to play spidey, but that didn't matter when they arrived on screen again. Interest will generate effort to learn about what you missed if you enjoy it enough
I really thought they were gonna continue from No Way Home with Strange still picking up the pieces from his spell with Parker. He realizes he can't clean it up alone so he gets Wanda's help and they go through a wacky adventure cleaning up the multiverse that got messed up. Nope.
@@The_Real_Frisbee that’s what the trailers made it look like. Through the trailers I honestly thought zombie strange was the bad guy. I thought there was a dark magic plague running throughout the multiverse since Strange tampered with it
Knowing Wanda, she had a barrier. Knowing the kamar Taj, they don't use snipers. But man, imagine how short this film would be if they just shot an origin bullet at her
@@secondaegis9190 there are so many moments in the film where I was like "kneecap her kneecap her kneecap her kneecap her" She clearly doesn't always have invisible force fields around her And the fact that Kamar Taj (or wakanda or fucking anyone in this universe) doesn't use firearms in any way is just ugggghhhhh
I laughed so hard when Drinker said "Fuck off film" hahahaha. Everytime America spoke, it felt really stupid and forced. Like the blue haired girl from the last Matrix. But there were so many Sam Raimi-isms, and that's what i loved about the film. Black Captain marvel died because a stone fell on her. But before that, she just stoodby as Wanda killed her fellow Illuminati mates. They waited turns. It was so dumb. It was nice seeing John Krasinski as Reed, but unfortunately he died 5 mins later. Black bolt lost his mouth, freaked out and vaporized his brain and skull. It felt like Wong was the only good thing in this movie. Though everyone was acting really hard, but looked really tired.
Not to be the defender of "America" in this film but she literally said "You have to take my power, I understand now". I don't like her mastering her powers like that but she did understand why a strange would make that choice.
These critical thinker idiots can't even follow the script or plot but love to criticize it cause "MCU so woke" threatening their fragile male egos lol
Problem with that is it's undercooked. Preferably, we ought to see her spiraling down to depression, tempted to just lose it all as she thinks about it more but no we don't see that. Kama Taj gets wiped, her reaction? Like nothing happened.
I would argue that Wanda has much of the Darkhold’s power while dreamwalking without physically carrying it because she’s studied it for so long. Isn’t the power in the knowledge of the book, and the the book itself? The fact that it’s merely information copied down from ancient wall engravings would imply this, no?
When I watched this movie, I actually missed the opening scene and arrived only to see this giant tentacle monster chasing this girl in New York. So while I understood the general premise of the movie, I felt completely lost on how some elements came to be, such as the Strange corpse or America's power until they resurfaced later in the movie. And that is the heart of this film's issues in my opinion. Others have mentioned how this film feels like two different movies at odds with each other, the corporate Marvel superhero narrative that emphasizes world-building and interconnecting all of these different characters, concepts, and worlds and then there's this trippy, abstract Sam Raimi spectacle where we're seeing a self-centered asshole make grand sacrifices against unfathomable horrors. When it's Marvel, it's convoluted and heavily relies on your investment in this grander narrative of multiversal conflict. When it's Sam Raimi, it's all-consuming bleakness sprinkled with slapstick and tearing down the egos of these self-important "heroes." And based on the interviews Sam has given about the creative process of this film, it's painfully obvious that the people at the top didn't know how everything would piece together so they left it up to the director to make the most of their messy continuity. My only hope is that IF Sam winds up coming back to direct another Marvel project, he's wholeheartedly allowed to DIRECT instead of trying to jigsaw a narrative from the disjointed ramblings of corporate entities.
The problem I have with this has less to do with the film on it's own, and more to do with acknowledging and using the multiverse. For the average viewer, the fact that the multiverse exists now invalidates everything that's happened before and everything that's going to happen with future films because there exists an infinite number of worlds where the actions of the past films and all future films did and did not happen. What exactly is the point of any Disney Marvel film from this point on? Is everything successful Disney Marvel film from now on just going to be No Way Home with different heroes? It's all pointless now! If a film goes good but incompetent writers don't know how to continue the story: "Multiverse! Those events happened elsewhere, embrace our story that totally isn't stupid!" If a film is total trash and we feel the characters we like are being ruined: "Multiverse! Those events didn't happen! Please continue giving us money!"
This is why I knew I was done the minute they started incorporating time travel and multiverses. There are no consequences any more, they can just reset on a different earth or go back and change this, that, or the other. I would be zero percent surprised if they brought Tony back at some point or Natasha.
It's stated that people from other Universes can't travel around without causing Multiverse disruptions, and America is quite possibly the one exception to this.
Illuminati: "Our Doctor Strange dabbled with the Darkhold, so he was too dangerous to let live." Doctor Strange: "The witch coming after us is using the Darkhold." Illuminati: "Nah, we'll be fine. Your trial for the crime of being a Doctor Strange is more important."
I'm drinker in this scenario. The sad thing is that I was rooting for this film and the more and more I feared about really put me on edge and I was right to be afraid for this film and at this point Wanda is just to powerful that no one can stop her and so she "offs herself by dropping a temple on her head(which we know that she isn't dead) and her magic level is so powerful that she can do anything and all of her points she is trying to make just doesn't make any sense because she has the power to do those things and more but nope she just goes around killing people for no reason because she has mental heath issues.
I usually agree with these guys but I think they are being unfair. The film has a few flaws in the story but overall is great to watch and pretty good. With her powers, everything everyone is complaining about is explained.
@@dirkdisco2316 Well the reason why they and myself think that way is because we judge not just one film. But all of them since they are part of a film franchise and we also know the characters and we know their powers and we know what Disney's been doing and that is why are thoughts on it are not good and I did see it and it is bad and no CGI can change that. We except it to be just that a story with actual characters(not props for the woke BS) among other things and the MCU to us ended with Endgame and we judge based on that standard and that is something that Kevin Feige has lost and why they hire activists and they put a vicegrip on the real creatives why want to make a good film but the studio holds them for some reason.
@@ShadowSonic2 What is Wanda's reason for being evil? Because of her children?(they were fakes created by her when she was grieving and unless you have forgotten that she enslaved a whole town for her messed up sessions).
@@JustTooDamnHonest There are just too many movies to judge them as a whole. I think this one is awesome, shows toxic femininity and in the end Strange had the agency and did it. The visuals were also top notch. It's my 5th fav after Endgame, Infinity War, Gaurdians 1 and No Way Home.
The 'moral' of this movie is that NO ONE is truly a hero. Good guys can be bad guys at the drop of a hat. Now... Had they released this movie BEFORE Spider-Man: No Way Home, the movie would still stink but the message would have part of a character arc for Strange where things look very bleak and negative going INTO No Way Home but Peter's decision to selflessly sacrifice his own happiness for the sake of everything would show Strange that YES. There IS true heroism after all. And also, they got to kill off the existing Wanda So they can clean slate the character if they want to use her with the X-Men and replacement Pietro. So they were able to finish destroying Wanda as the hero she had become in Avengers 2.
@@bobmcbobson8368 Either way, it's a very cynical attitude. As I said, had this movie been released BEFORE No Way Home, then at least the end of No Way Home would take the arc to a POSITIVE place. But this is just nihilist.
@@marcharkness6101 That is not true, just because a hero is flawed doesn't mean they aren't true heroes only ppl who are cynical like you think that also that's not the moral at all in this movie and there isn't even a moral because Wanda was never a hero or villain she's just someone who's suffered tragedy after tragedy and acts out of control because she's never had a way to properly channel her emotions. Now Spiderman and Superman are true heroes for lots of reasons, they don't kill, play dirty, help citizens and never give up even when things look hopeless what makes a true is someone who is willing to overcome their flaws and be a good example for ppl that look up to them, to say that isn't true heroism means you don't just don't understand shite about them.
@@wwehulk8798 Show me where I said that wasn't heroism. I stand by my statement that the makers of this film do not seem to believe in unselfish true heroism. Wanda stops herself in the end but the writers took a hero and made her a true villain She murdered LOTS of people to obtain power even if what she wanted is sympathetic, the Wanda we saw who was appalled by what Ultron intended to do was gone. Even if she may have briefly remembered that person as she killed herself. If you had paid attention to my comments, you might have noticed that I was disappointed that incompetent timing spoiled a wonderful CHARACTER arc for Dr. Strange. That this movie could have left a cynical feel in Strange, having seen the Illuminati as hypocrites who had to put a stop to an arrogant Dr. Strange only to die because of their own arrogance. Strange saw versions of himself that he has to acknowledge "But for the Grace of God, go I." And seen Wanda, a person who he fought alongside, SAVING the UNIVERSE giving in to selfish desires that led her to do VERY evil things. IF that movie had come first, it would be a troubling thought for Strange. ONLY TO BE REDEEMED BY Peter in No Way Home as Peter literally gives up EVERYTHING to save the world. Note... Peter DOES GREAT GOOD and his reward is to LOSE everything but the responsibility of being Spider-Man. THAT is heroism And he IS overcoming flaws and mistakes. But had that come AFTER Multiverse of Madness, I think it would have been a reaffirming message. One Strange would feel in his heart even if he didn't know why. And people CAN have different Points of View on a fictional work and not be ignorant.
Weirdest thing was when Rachel McAdams was trying to break the cell, that can hold superheroes, with a fire extinguisher.
She built the chambers yet tries to bust it open with a fire extinguisher.... 🙄🙄🙄
You'd think she could call an Ultron over to help. That'd be better.
I think she exhausted all her options as the control panel was fucked up by wanda, also the ultron bots were all destroyed so the fire extinguisher was just a last ditch desperate attempt to break it not because she genuinely thought that it was the only way to release her.
@@CsDanex21 fair enough... i like rachael mcadams too 😁
@@amazingbakingsoda6811 no shit. Lol.
Kevin Feige didn’t want Dr Strange to appear in WandaVision because his presence would overshadow Wanda’s “character arc”. He then decides to have Wanda overshadow Strange’s character arc in his own movie.
That doesn’t seem fair.
Remember when everyone trusted Feige? Man, that seems so long ago.
Feige is a hypocrite or possibly Disney went over him and he had to tow the line.
It wasn't even that he would "overshadow her character arc". Here's his quote, from several articles about it:
“We didn’t want the end of the show to be commoditized to go to the next movie - here’s the white guy, ‘Let me show you how power works,'” he explained.
@@wumpusrat And yet Multiverse of Madness ends up being just exactly that. A continuation of Wanda's story and the multiverse instead of being Dr Strange's own.
You're missing the main point in what he said he said a "white man" upstaging her which is a crime however this is a woman upstaging a man which is progress to these ppl
I knew one of the writers on the first Dr. Strange movie, a guy named Carlyle. The dude hardcore pushed for it to be as comic accurate as possible and I'm pretty sure was the reason the first movie turned out the way it was. Unfortunately he 'stepped out of line ' and got canned so...here we are.
It is unfortunate, however talents like Carlyle need to be working on other projects. That is what we need new IP that we focus on and develop
@@Ryukikon I agree. Still sucks to see things you love destroyed due to bad management.
I didn't know Cargill had gone by Carlyle before you wrote this. Anyway, he also desperately wanted to make a Capt Marvel movie. Had a draft made and was told, in so many words, you're not a woman and we need women to write this so pound sand.
Edit: also by "stepped out of line" it's probably more accurate to say he told the truth. On Disney was being accused of racism for casting Tilda Swinton as the Ancient One, he mentioned that it was done because the character in the comics is Tibetan and that wouldn't work with China.
Is comic book accuracy such a bad thing? So you will use the basic look for the characters yet getting the characters right with maybe a few tweaks to modernise is just something can not or want to do so?
Because THE MESSAGE
They straight up skipped Dr. Strange 2. Where Strange would stop Baron Mordo and we would finally get to see him become Sorcerer Supreme. Bridging the gap between Dr. Strange and Ragnorak.
They taking the joke of wong being sorcerer supreme too serious , ancient one was like oh dr strange is the chosen one, wongs like naaa i want to be boss
Best guess is it was in some kind of per-production and then things had to be changed to fit "the message" of a female phase 4. On top of that falling Disney+ sales means they had to tie in the TV shows as well.
Yeah, I was expecting a movie about dr strange vs mordo ever since that after credit scene but I guess it’s too much to ask
Mordo hunting Wanda for what she did in Westview would have been an interesting turn that we'll never see.
They had to make Scarlet Witch and The Multiverse of Madness first and slap Dr Strange in the title so fans would see
Dr. Strange: "You don't need to train to actively control your power. You are so awesome that you have been subconsciously controlling it since the beginning. Even the portal that sent your moms across the Multiverse."
I'm going to repeat this line every time I flush the toilet.
MOMS???
Plural?!
Is this a line in the movie?
@@Ramsey276one bruh her parents are 2 lesbians
@@frozenlimemix oh REALLY?
I am to poor for comics but considering this is the movieverse I maybe should have expected it…
"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?" -George Carlin.
So what non subverted banner shall the opponents of authoritarians gather? Sincerely, would love anyone with times answers.
@@krewsadistviewing1097 authoritarians fighters i guess
Doesn't seem to work that way though, does it. Seems pro the bad thing
WandaVision oops 🙊 Dr Strange is all about the all powerful Wanda as she makes the MSheU a fully female universe where all the male characters are simps or dead ☠ ! Eww… 🤮 Dr Strange ! Get woke 🌈 ! Go broke 💸 ! Ha ! Ha ! Ha ! Hilarious 😂,
Excellent quote from the Legend! 🤘🔥
TBF Wanda IS insane. Always has been. The only difference between old comics and disney's cringefest is the old comics didn't allow her madness to be applauded and awarded.The whole point of vision being her husband was he was nigh indestructible and infinitely patient.
exactly! even in the comics after she has these moments, she always tries and fixes them and regrets doing them in the first place, and everyone around her makes sure it isn't okay and tries to help her get better so it can't happen. why the movies can't portray this even though it would be easy af is beyond me
it's as if they never read the comics lmao
@@blyat8832 Not only have they not bothered to read the comics, but they choose to misread Wanda's character in light of intersectional feminism, as if to insist that nothing bad she does can be her fault because it's oppressive men who are to blame, never her.
@@RanMouri82 You're basing that on nothing, you Broflake.
@@RanMouri82 Nobody actually believes that except Monica maybe. I think everyone is just handling her like they have to because she can erase them from existence just for disagreeing.
@@RanMouri82 wtf are you talking about. When she realises what SHE had done she literally commits suicide and destroys every copy of Darkhold before that, because she cannot live with what she's done. She is nowhere near good guy here. She was corrupted, murdered and tortured people and then when she realised what SHE has done she kills herself. There is no men to blame. Are you seriously saying someone tried to blame men in this movie for her actions? Did you even watch the movie?
Wanda in Wandavision: I kidnapped and puppeteered hundreds of innocent civilians to make my fake sit-com world but at least I didn’t hurt anyone, I only scarred them for life. At the very least I’ve learned my lesson and I’ll never do it aga-
Wanda in MvM: I brutally murdered hundreds of people without even a second thought for my own selfish, immoral and unjustified reasons but I stopped being evil at the end so I’ve totally learned my lesson and will never do it agai-
Wanda next time she shows up:😈
She is Jean Gray of Avengers
I mean who in the world is going to punish her anyway... You lol
Dr Strange had no power other than his words to stop her.
This is literally Fox’s Dark Pheonix with extra steps
Yeah I was confused af. I didn't watch the last couple of Wandavision episodes (due to apathy) but I heard they wrapped her arc up. But she's evil again? Because of evil book? Oh ffs.
And Wanda has the audacity to compare what she did to what Dr Strange did with the time stone? Nonsense
That movie was woke garbage
There was a part during the beginning of the third act where they were running away from Wanda in a tunnel while closing steel doors to try to slow her down. At one point, the last door closes and all of them just stop running away and look at the door to see what happens for what feels a good minute. I guarantee you that there was a very audible annoyed groan coming from the audience. I was livid at how stupid that was.
Definitely one of the most baffling scenes. Why tf did they slow down??
how arent more people talking about this dumb scene?! super cringe. they literally waited for wanda and the music went away and they all get their closeups it was so dumb
@@emfasisproductions1 It was so bad, I heard kids asking their parents why they stopped running. Even kids thought this was stupid. After the first 30 seconds, all I could think about was "Omg, fucking MOVE!"
@@thebatman4279 They were waiting for the jump scare.
I was also baffled immensely by this scene. The point of it was to move away from her to get the book as fast as possible, but no they STAND STILL AND WAIT FOR HER TO BREAK THOUGH/PASS IT. It's horrible in every aspect of the word.
No one mentioned how Reed Richards, the smartest man in their universe the only line he said to Wanda was to give away their second most powerful persons abilities and exactly what she needed to do to completely nullify him.
Exactly. Then, still worlds smartest man, decided "I'm going to stop this reality altering witch with my stretchy arms !"
Yeah...not a great choise of words...to put it mildly...
The SAME people who were voting on whether or not to kill Strange and killed the past one...
All of a sudden go soft when the magic user has a vagina.
They did mention it..
"Reed Richards, the smartest man in their universe"
HA!
Truthfully, I saw and felt Sam Raimi's direction. That part I loved. But the writing is what murdered it. Now learning it's the same writer for the Loki series I should have gone in with even lower expectations.
Hope it was worth a spiderman movie
i'm a hug evil dead fan and loved the 80s synth visuals when Wanda is using the Necronomicon best part.
@@SpartanArmy117 I can agree with you. I can easily pick out my favorite parts right off the top of my head. It is a fun movie overall it's just when they force you to suspend disbelief for the most common sense things it is those moments that start to grind on our nerves. I agree with Drinker that they make Wanda out to be this tragic heroine, but it backfires with just how much of an asshole she just is. They sell her so hard to be liked for her flaws when you just can't with such bad writing towards dialogue that's so forced. In short, as I stated in my original post, I see and feel Raimi's direction, but the writing pulls it backwards from really going on an easily, and what should have been, a straight and narrow line. Personally, this movie is 2 steps forward, 3 steps backwards in comparison to like Black Widow THAT movie overall definitely was 1 step forward, 10 steps backwards. Sorry for the long response, btw.
A lot of Evil Dead in the movie
@@architdeodhar7801 A. Lot. Most definitely.
The delusion of people on social media celebrating Wanda murdering innocent people because "yaas kween" makes me hate this film more and more and really gives an insight into the psyche of those pushing her as doing the right thing.
Creepy shit.....
She is woman, we are hearing her roar. The people that died were mostly just extras anyway. Cept for for one in particular. I'll never get used to seeing that man die. Gut wrenching every time.
So while I don't disagree as to the quality of Wandavision but having recently watched it...what innocents did she kill? Outside of the corrupt S.W.O.R.D agents she didn't kill anyone. She set the mind controlled people she had controlled for like 2 weeks free but she definitely didn't kill any of them as far as I saw.
Those are Wanda Stans, stay always from them especially after This movie
I enjoyed the direction they took her in this movie but you can't justify her actions or forgive them now, if the movie had ended with them patching things up and being friends at the end I would have been pissed, but people celebrating her actions in this is ridiculous.
to be fair, Wanda being crazy and became the villain after everything that happened on her show is totally consistent and make sense, even her closure make sense, the way she accepted her fate and just peace out. the confusing thing how tf marvel keeps telling she is a good, kind hearted loving girl by showing her as menacing awesome kickass villain... i mean cmon marvel she has been villain since the begining... she is only "good" when avenger were fighting a greater evil; ultron and thanos
Because of "THE MESSAGE"
Well to be fair, she was severely corrupted by the darkhold. The movie clearly explains that book corrupts the minds of those who wield its power for too long. Doctor Strange knows her deep down that she's capable of doing a lot of good. It's like having a friend be severely addicted to drugs. It's also like that in the comics, she's morally grey and at times selfish but in the end she usually does a lot of good. She's also kind of like jean grey, good person at heart but often she's either being manipulated or her mind is clouded causing her to make mistakes and hurt people. In wandavision while she did enslave an entire town, she technically didn't kill anybody innocent and it was clear she was being manipulated by agatha in her grief.
It makes sense but it isn’t justified. She just left them and yeah its bad.
Plus, haven’t seen her do anything bad since AoU.
@@CsDanex21 That's a good explanation. I kind of wish there were some interactions between Wanda and Strange prior to this movie because the only scenes they were together before was at Tony's funeral where they may have interacted? It's not clear how Strange new about Westview. Perhaps, he read about it in New York Post?
Peter-Strange interactions were effective in No Way Home because they had shared history together from Infinity War
Let's be real
F them ppl in Westview
I think the “you did nothing wrong in wandavision” makes sense from everyone’s standpoint if you see it as them trying to talk down an emotionally unstable and unstoppable super goddess who subconsciously mind controlled a town and formed a bubble reality because she had a bad day.
According to the showrunner, the intent behind that cringe line was misinterpreted. Allegedly, the point was that nobody will know the good you've done or the sacrifices you've made that broke you down to this point because they'll only remember the bad you did here. It was less of an excuse for her actions and more sympathy for the reasons she was in this situation in the first place. If we are to believe that this is what was intended, that's perfectly legitimate. In that case, however, it was still a terrible line that really poorly communicated what they were trying to say.
@@Tyler_W as the wise Archer said:
*PHRASING!*
XD
Nope. Wandavision is a fake sitcom hostage situation story caused by Rapunzel and his stepmom. Should have contacted Strange and his magic armies from the beginning and tries to negotiate with Wanda or neutralizd her if it didn't work.
See this is what I thought at the beginning during that scene. However, when he sees America later he clearly didn’t know Wanda was unstable/evil as they made a joke about how he told the one person who was looking for her where to find her.
@@Tyler_W bullshit. That reeks of changing the context after the fact.
They literally did the spider-man web joke in No way home and all Tom said "does it come out of your wrist or anywhere else?". That was at least humorous because it makes sense with Toby's version and it didn't spell it out for you. How incompetent are these writers that one movie ago they did the exact same joke and better? Because, you know, cognitive thinking.
Tells you a lot about their current creative writing ability if they're reusing their own jokes from previous films which were only mildly amusing at best the first time around.
@@CoffeeConnected Not their own. The trick of the worker of the month, watered down, at wrong moment. Basically a parody, but board of woke accepted anyway...
The writer of the NWH actually managed to sneak in a Sony Leak reference in as well.
Not only that, but The Venture Bros. had a Spider-Man parody character who shot webs in this manner. It's not an original idea at this point.
Also the only good joke in the whole movie
I loved the MCU all the way through endgame I was a huge fan, saw each movie within the first week it came out….. My interest and enthusiasm is so low for current MCU I couldn’t care less about spoilers
Same.
It's questionable whether it's possible to spoil a terrible film
Endgame is a pretty weak movie as well, like they didn't even tried to fact check their own movies before writing the time travel script, it's so inconsistent my brain enters survival mode while watching and piecing things together.
The thing is Endgame had 10 years story behind it and seeing it ends was very epic. Although MCU was not perfect back then but it had some good movies such as Iron Man 1, Thor or Captain America. the difference is in the story telling and the characters they're building, in which, MCU does not miss any chance to fuck it up. You can clearly see it in Loki (the female one), Miss Marvell (or what ever!), Wanda or even their male characters like Spider-Man and Dr. Strange.
@@javierortiz82 Endgame was an absolute disappointment. The only MCU film I've only watched once, never going through that shit again.
Biggest plot hole for me was... Wanda is basically a walking reality stone. She got in trouble (kinda) because she took an entire town hostage. So to fix it she willingly dropped the reality bubble and yeeted her own 3 creations into nothingness. Then she secluded herself to some cabin in the woods. Sadly the only thing evil dead about it was Wanda herself here... She then proceeds to create ANOTHER reality bubble around the cabin so it looks pretty and has some of the biggest non-fruiting apple trees ive ever seen.... Without recreating her husband and 2 kids again. Why? She could literally just remake them at any given time but is like "nah, i need a different Wandas kids so i can take em dimension hopping for some chicken noodle soup and sprite when they get the sniffles."
I always thought her power needed to come from the Ether/Reality stone, and not the Mind Stone. It's practically 1:1 copy of the Reality Stone's power, down to the visual aesthetics.
Having her battle Thanos with both warping reality would've been amazing to see.
Ever since i noticed the whole men cant defeat women rule its kinda put a massive dampener on my enjoyment of these films because you just know whats going to happen.
Case in point Mr. Fantastic, Black Bolt and Professor X all get destroyed before being able to land a single attack.
Cant wait to see the "GODKILLER" get slapped around by Valkyrie and Lady Thor in love and thunder. /S
They're not even trying to be subtle about it at all. The guys are just background characters even in their own shows / movies.
Yep.....Noticed that too. Black Bolt and Mr Fantastic got disposed of instantly while Captain Carter and Captain Lashana got to do some battle.
Feminist propaganda nonsense.
@@kingovharts exactly, Wanda could easily wrap them in spaghetti without touching them and both carter and marvel didn’t even try to stop her from killing reed, just stand there and watch
I over heard Valkeriye is going to defeat Gor by kissing her new girlfriend. He's going to complain and she'll call him a bigot. And just like that he's snapped out of existence. Thanos style
I find it funny how all the 20th century Fox marvel leaders (Blackbolt, Mr. Fantastic, and Prof. X) were all in the same universe. I also find it funny how Wanda kills off the three new male characters off rather quickly, while she has slow, drawn out fights with the variant ladies who we have already seen.
I did appreciate the brutality of some if the deaths, mainly Blackbolt and Captain Carter.
Yes! And it was actually my other half who noticed this not me! And she doesn’t even do culture war/ fandom stuff.
@@KeytarArgonian The white dude was never allowed to win. Ever. Unless he was fighting another white dude.
They telegraphed all this with the stupid wedding scene. Are we really supposed to believe that a goddamned superhero can't get whatever woman strikes his fancy?
Black bolt was not a fox property
@@mr.anderson2241 right, the inhumans were in Agents of Shield.
@@fettbub92 they also attempted to make an Inhumans show after they canned the solo Inhumans movie which flopped
America's origin story was one of the most hilarious things I've ever seen
don't u hate it when you get spooked by a bee and then kill your parents
She scattered her mom’s across the universe, orphaning herself all because of a bee .
No one will be buzzing around excitedly, to beelive this crap fest of an origin story.
I still want an explanation on how a person from an alternate universe with neither of these regions is named AMERICA and is supposed to be a latina. Her real name should be Alien McAlienface.
@@HerculesBallsInc Mexican chavez.
Also why does she mainly speak Spanish ?
From her planet, is that all they mainly speak or; was that a pull to that community aswell?
@@snowwhite5887 Definitely to push "The Message". Ironically, i feel more connected to characters like captain America than America Chavez xD
The Illuminati scene was pure cheese. Black Bolt and Reed Richards are supposed to be that cocky… ? Seemed like Professor X was the only one who wasn’t… and how many times do we need to see him die now?
Wanda basically mentally assaulted an entire town and why are we still told we’re supposed to feel badly for her about it?
This movie was essentially Evil Dead set in the MCU. Tons of typical Raimi calls.
Can't help that none of the men from the Illuminati made it very long in the movie...only them ladies.
Don't insult Evil Dead like that
@@alk3rio97 there were women in this movie?
Professor X is the worst superhuman character in anything ever.
It looked weird ever since I saw them in the trailers
Raimi's at his absolute best without all this corporate meddling, and it's a damn shame he wasn't able to cut loose
"Wasn't able to cut loose" like there wasn't a good amount of gore in this movie 😭
@@buzzfeedteal4775 there wasn't..
Yeah he made two wonderful Spider-Man movies then the corporation ruined his third
@@SK008 disagree.
@@gravesidepoet5405 man there was more gore than a typical marvel movie.. but a lot of sequences seemed like they cut away from the gore rather quickly.. so they definitely not sticking to the slasher horror aspect of the movie..
The worst part is that everyone I know who cares about the MCU does keep up with both the movies and the shows. Also, no one knowing who Black Bolt was just goes to prove how Marvel really messed up introducing the Inhumans, not only to the MCU but overall.
It’s not too bad if you don’t care about internal consistency. I don’t see the issue with trying to push powerful female characters as we will see more men like Kang the Conqueror or Professor X eventually.
@@maxthexpfarmer3957 Although I agree with you, my point was that the target audience for these movies is not the casual viewer anymore, anyone interested in the MCU will, in 90% of cases, most likely be up to date with everything.
It is also weird that the Drinker and his pals expect Dr. Strange 2 to be a sequel to the first one despite how counter-intuitive it sounds, the MCU is basically a sequential TV show now, its just that each episode (actual shows and movies) happen to have different protagonists, and even the casual viewer who is not into every movie and/or tv show knows that.
@@Criegrrunov Agents of SHIELD had several powerful female characters, but the MCU movies never referenced the TV shows due to some political infighting between Marvel's movie and TV divisions. (The current Disney+ shows are made by the movie division, with the old TV division no longer existing.)
Marvel just got done training people that the TV shows don't matter, then all of a sudden expect everyone to be following the streaming shows.
@@KasumiKenshirou Once again, I agree, although I do wonder why you and the other guy that replied before you mentioned "powerful female characters" as if it was something I mentioned having an issue or something with on my original comment, I liked Daisy and Melinda from SHIELD, I like Captain Carter, Jessica Jones, Madame Gao, I hope to see White Tiger in the MCU as well sometime in the future... But that wasn´t the point I was making, if anything, at least you kinda acknowledged it on your last paragraph.
@@Criegrrunov Daisy, Melinda, Jemma, Bobbi and even Yo Yo all are the definition of "powerful female characters." Why? Because they have personality and learn from their mistakes and even their arcs are great!
I thought Patrick Stewart's performance in Logan was heartbreaking. My own father was dying from complications relating to dementia when it came out. I never thought that would be almost the last Marvel film I watched.
@LTNetjak lmfao
@LTNetjak He can’t act after seeing the horrible writing and scripts for him in that movie
He is such an incredible actor, literally his few lines in this movie are its only saving grace.
@@fr0ck360 A lot of the horrible ideas actually came from Patrick Stewart, going back as far as the TNG movies. E.g., his brother's entire family dying (including his young nephew Rene) in a fire (originally only his brother was going to die of a heart attack) in Generations, the dune buggy chase in Nemesis, and turning Picard into an action hero in general in the TNG movies. And with Star Trek: Picard, he was totally on board with the show being all about THE MESSAGE, proudly stating in interviews that the show was going to be about Brexit and Trump.
Patrick Stewart is also a hypocritical feminist who enthusiastically supports abortions, but he also dumps his wives when they get too old and replaces them with younger ones. His current wife is the same age as I am, and I wasn't even 10 years old when TNG debuted. (To be clear, I don't have a problem with him dating or marrying a younger woman, but his behavior just doesn't correspond to his stated beliefs.)
@@KasumiKenshirou You do realize that Trek was all about "Messages" and nothing in the actual show was about Trump and Brexit right?
When you complain, at least complain about stuff that was actually there.
Drinker's reactions are like "I'm so done with this movie" and he's yet to watch it lol.
It’s his job, lol.
@Neon Thunderbird they acknowledged it and he makes the other hand in perfect position too lol
@@SpartanArmy117 they way they kill the illuminati is laughably bad they ruined characters we waited 10 years to see in less than 5 minutes
@@SpartanArmy117 All movies have "Messages". It's a key component of storytelling.
I saw this last night with my aunt. She’s seen most of the Marvel Studios movies, but she’s never seen a Disney Plus show in her life. She was completely lost during Multiverse of Madness. She hated it because of that. Disney is playing a dangerous game by making the Disney + shows mandatory viewing.
By literally doing what the comics do?
Some people don't want that they are in it for the big blockbuster. I don't like that you have to have watched so much to go into the movie but it's the whole. Interconnected universe idea. I understand that. Everyone that complains about that is like some one going into a 3 part movie not seeing the 1 and 2.
@@jeremyfields8661 she’s seen all of the Marvel Studios movies. She shouldn’t have to watch Disney+ shows in order to understand Doctor Strange 2. There asking WAY too much from general audiences.
@@cajunotaku3256 I understand but they way the Marvel Universe is thats how it is. Everything is pretty much connected. It wasnt really a movie but a couple hours of Marvel content. that's the one downside to the interwoven universe.
@Szymon Lech Dzięcioł the problem with all the interconnection is that it's just basically there to get us to consume content. I have neither the time nor inclination to view every streaming MCU series in order to understand what's going on in their universe. Especially when many of the shows are badly written forcing me to sit through hours of tortuous plot in order to comprehend what's going on. In the long run it's going to cause casual fans to lose interest because movie plot lines will start to become incomprehensible to them. The movies should stand on their own. If you want to have interconnection between team movies (i.e. avengers eternals) with individual movies that makes some sense. But don't make me watch TV series with characters I have no interest in seeing as a main character.
The MCU and their fan boys act like Scarlett Witch is some unstoppable force in the comics even though she has like two feats in the comics that make her look strong. She would get destroy by heavy hitters.
In the comics, she is the most powerful character as she manipulates probability across the entire multiverse. She can literally blink things into or out of existence by manipulating the probability of it ever having been. Granted, they have to nerf her as that would essentially make her a goddess, but at least in The Ultimates she’s a beast.
@@ab5olut3zero95
Other than House of M or AvX story she has not shown those feats. She has low durability and slow reaction she would get ko by speed blitz from a lot of characters.
I didn't read any of the the ultimate universe stuff, so I have no idea how strong she is in that.
Also she isn't nearly close to some of the strongest reality manipulators like Franklin Richard, he would destroy her.
Taken out within nanoseconds to be honest.
Should have revealed the MCU Wanda was possessed by a variant Wanda trying to free herself and the Visions recognised this with White Vision flew off to warn Dr Strange.
Wanda's reality stone powers is why she was able to get off Scot free
I do agree, Wanda's powers are the most inconsistent and unexplained thing in the MCU. They never really define her limits which makes you wonder if she even has one. She seems to be able to beat anyone at anything simply bc she's the scarlet witch
yeah, in the comics it's explained that she gets more and more powerful due to emotional trauma and mood swings, so she's at her most dangerous when in a crisis. age of Ultron showed this, but for some reason no other MCU media could actually portray this accurately
lazy writing amiright
Also, why does she no longer really have a Euro accent? In slight parts of Strange 2, she does like twice. Randomly.
she mostly just flew around and thew red laser beams in most of the movie. She can do terrible stuff with mind and witchcraft but they never did that until she got dark hold and became a demon/witch killing folks.
She's magical which is a built in way of not being limited, there's a spell for everything and....Doc Strange does the same thing "A building is falling" Oh, well let me use the orange blood blossom of king shitstain, its just the thing!"
I always default to characters who are basically nuts are always going to be stronger, they have no inhibitions.
The thing is they explained it in WandaVision in the latter part of the series.
All the cool stuff was when Sam Rami was being Sam Rami but this film was held back because of the Marvel formula.
Feige?
Held back? It was burned to the ground.
@@svant3 Oh stop being a drama queen.
The MCU is getting to the same point where marvel comics have been for a while then? The crossovers make the ongoing stories incomprehensible?
"i didn't finish it, i lost interest" exatly how i feel about all of the garbage disney kicks out
Disney is better off without you contaminating the place.
@@ShadowSonic2 why so ass mad? Go be a shock jock somewhere else if you cant handle others having different opinions.
@@ShadowSonic2 Every business would thrive without dissonance. Tf is your point?
@@bugsbunny4647 Dude is CIA/Mossad getting paid to troll the commonfolk.
Its a common rule in movies these days- There are no real evil women. They have all turned evil because of men. And even if women have to be stopped, they will be stopped by themselves and not by any man. They dont need to work hard to gain their power. They are perfect the way they are and they have all the power they need. No matter what they do, they deserve love and respect from everyone (peak entitlement). They just need to believe in themselves and stop listening to the toxic men. Other men losing lives trying to save the world is not sacrifice made by those men but sacrifice made by women because their feefee got hurt and they have to live with it. The new He Man or more like Teela Show, Captain Marvel, Mulan, Black Widow, these are the new archetypes of modern cinema. And it wont stop.
Not only are they producing garbage, they are also making it important to ruin every other character that were well received by the fans. All their story arcs completely ruined. Whether its Captain America, Thor, Charles Xavier, Iron Man, Hulk, Dr. Strange, James Bond, Luke SKywalker, Darth Vader, Loki, next Obi wan, all of them.
Thank you!!! I thought I was crazy to think that it was a terrible movie. It was a woman propaganda reminding us how perfect they are, the movie was pointless because Wanda could basically do anything from the start because she is a woman
Exactly, and thank you for putting my thoughts on you tube. Also get out of my head ;)
Finally you get it. It is deconstruction at its finest. Critical Theory seeks to undermine and destroy everything you've come to love. You must be taught to hate yourselves. Stop funding your destruction.
@Erik Kemeey yeah, but only she could make her die. The main character couldn’t even come close
@Erik Kemeey But did she...?
The one spin that would be funny is pushing the whole "Wanda makes kids with magic" is a pro-life statement & overall a theme of the movie. ;)
Thor's line "To you, it's magic. To us, it's science." Or something along that line, comes to mind when they were discussing that bit.
For the first half of the MCU they referred to all this space magic as _Radiation._ Which, to the fact that they brought in Banner to track it.
The bifrost and the Reality stone probably caused FemThor's cancer.
Shes Amber Heard, she bought her baby.
Seems to me that's more of a pro choice statement. Makes it seem like women don't need men, that they decide what a child is.
@@ProgSnob14 I disagree... in Wanda' s case.. vision is an Android. He's not a real man. He's made of vibranium. I see it as more pro life. 😁
I especially loved [SPOILERS]'s death by exposition:
Mr Fantastic: We're going to stop you, witch. But first, I'm going to introduce the guy who's going to do it and explain his powers in detail so you not only know how to defeat them but trick him into blowing his own brains out.
Strange:😐... You're the smart one, right?
I dont understand how black bolts own power can hurt him. His powers are based on sound waves so any time he uses his power, with or without a mouth he hurts himself? That shit made no sense.
@@XXnoblev2XX fair point. those sound waves are definitely louder with a working mouth.
I can hurt my own ears if I yell loud enough. If you cover my mouth then I cannot hurt my ears.
Well, I am disappointed that they have ruined my favourite Avenger, but not surprised.
I understand Doctor Strange taking the L in Spider-Man's movie, but to not get the W in his own movie? F*ck off, film.
Even in No Way Home it was dumb as hell! Strange with a time stone managed to take a stand against Thanos with four stones!
How could he lose even momentarily specially when he used the body and soul speration technique?
Power scales considered Spiderman probably is a c-ranked hero.
Multiverse of madness can just make things worse. Not bad, worse!
nwh was ok good but they had to shit on strange huh??
they made his char. comedy relief in nwh,imprisong him in his own mirror dimension using plot power.If it wasnt for BC to improv 'We' would have no memory of you at the end,i m like tf were writers thinking if he didnt cared for him y would he perform the spell in the first place. ned fricking opening portals in his first try just so that plot can advance.
And i was like np he is getting his own movie, after watching this movie i m fucking disappointed and sad after waiting for a dr strange sequel for six years.
Reed Richards being killed sooo easy compared to Captain fucking Carter was painful.
He's physically weaker than a Super Soldier. What do you want?
@@ShadowSonic2 no he isn't. Please stop.
@@ShadowSonic2 I remember Reed can take blows from The Thing and other big opponents.
@@ShadowSonic2 and his IQ is insane. He would approach Wanda with multiple backup plans not emotional therapy that gets him killed. Stupid writing. His a logical character.
"I had Picard flashbacks and I'm not even watching Picard" Lol
He's still whining about how Picard did what Star Trek always did. It's hilarious.
@@ShadowSonic2 and what exactly does Star Trek always do?
Troll.
I found a copy that fell off the back of a pirate ship yesterday(never giving Disney any more money), after hearing Chris talk about it both here and on the Nooner with Gary, and it was a hot mess. Definitely feels like 2 movies mashed together in a rush. I couldn't even finish it in one shot, since I was facepalming pretty hard for a good chunk of it...
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I was wholly disappointed by this movie. It was too rushed. The dialogue was iffy at many points. The only saving grace was the acting of both Benedicts, Wong and Cumberbatch. The costume design and Dr Strange's hair were so garish and cartoony I was distracted throughout the entire movie. Wanda is not intimidating, or scary, she just comes across as irritating. Olsen's little lip twitching and quivering and chin high-holding does not come across as broken, sympathetic, or sad. The whole thing was easily predictable, nothing came as a surprise. I was hoping for so much more. I think I'm done with the MCU
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I always watch new TV show and films I find from the back of pirate ships, saves a lot of money
I actually agree with Hela being unbeatable while Asgard still stood, it gave a high cost for victory and allowed Thor to become a better ruler, both by superior strategy and willingness to sacrifice for his people.
Too bad the MCU did absolutely nothing with it, and they outright shit on any future character growth regarding that with the opening scene of Infinity War.
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My issue is he doesn't fight her again after.
I think the main dump that the writers took on Thor's story arc was in End Game. He supposed to be this leader, cheering his people and he must have been totally aware that the true power of any kingdom lies in it's people but nah... they turned him into a fat freak.
@@Slightly-Acceptable-Nerd Oh, but it's okay when X-Men does that to Xavier?
@Szymon Lech Dzięcioł I get that but we are talking about the clax of the film and what is satisfying for an audience to see. It may make sense but that doesn't make it better.
I love how dr maximoff is both the most powerful heroic character ever, and a mommy who went coo-coo because she wants babies and her husband back
She's a doctor? Like a medical doctor or a Bill Cosby/Jill Biden "doctor"?
She never once mentioned wanting Vision back and with the multiverse her oyster, should could have chosen one in which Vision was alive, but she didn't. This is all about her wanting kids and every image we saw of Wanda's with kids, there was no vision. So she murdered hundreds of people and tried to kill a young girl, because she wanted to be a single mom.
@@imaalias2162 Yeah, apart from her talking about Thanos killing him, Vision is nowhere to be seen throughout the whole thing.
I’d just like to point out Reed Richards is always written as the most intelligent man in his universe, why the fuck is his first instinct to run towards a witch. You know what would’ve been cool, Reed just casually pulls out the Ultimate Nullifier or some shit leading to Wanda having to come up with a creative solution to get them. Or Professor X losing to Scarlet Witch in the mind, this isn’t Jean Grey guys.
Last week I saw The Northman, today I saw Dr Strange 2.
It's like going from a gourmet 3 star michelin dine to a Mc Donalds happy meal.
And the happy meal has no ketchup.
The Northman was boring, story wise. All it had going for it was its cinematography and imagery. Character wise and plot wise it was nothing.
@@ShadowSonic2 Sure, Dan
@@ShadowSonic2 Lemme guess....this movie is awesomesauce in comparison? looool
@@alexl6644 I saw it, predictable start to finish
@@HandleNameIsStupid It offers more character than Northman did. That's for sure.
I've been reading John Byrne's Superman run lately, and there is an issue where Lex Luthor is trying to convince one of the soon to be New Guardians that she should side with him against the Super heroes. He tells a story about Superman fighting a villian named Combattor, and he frames everything that superman does as being selfish and self-aggrandizing, that he doesn't care about the people around him, he destroys property without a thought to who he might be hurting and how it will effect the city, and so on. And it hit me, Supervillians are now writing our superhero stories. The Heroes are being framed as bad guys and the bad people who actually do bad things are being portrayed as victims of their Tyranny. The People who do the right thing, who try to handle problems in the best way possible are now the considered EVIL, and the Emotionally unstable Jerks who act irrationally and actually hurt other people whether they have a reason to or now are GOOD........It's insane
This was discussed in one of these happy hour videos about Warhammer 40k. Same theme of the villains being the pitiful ones that we should sympathize with.
Why Goku always led the fighting to the desert. Superman when written by idiots, will be an idiot.
@Szymon Lech Dzięcioł I should have been clearer, I meant more generally in comics.
I think Sam Raimi was held back because of it being a Marvel film. They have their marvel formula, all their Marvel-isms that they want in every film. Kind of ruins a films potential to be truly it's own.
I really felt a tug of war the whole movie between it trying to be a Raimi movie and a marvel movie. I enjoyed most of the movie once the illuminati scene started. Before then it was a little slow.
Dear God help me I saw it. This was a mess of a film with a potentially good script somewhere in Kevin Feige’s trash bin. It really was bad
@@LovePH926
Well… other than evil huwhyte male told he’s supposed to feel bad about something he didn’t do, America and her two mothers, we’re still supposed to feel badly for Wanda assaulting an entire town with zero consequences, two cocky, huwhyte males getting cocky with Wanda and getting easily punked by her, two women getting farther in the fight (killing the huwhyte one first)… but zero woke sensibility in it.
@@nicholastotoro7721 Intersectional Feminism, as Nerdrotic would say
@@LovePH926
The only way the movie could have had more work sensibility would have been if it was filmed starring antifa and BurnLootMurder activists on the set of a Lilith Fair show.
They even had Wanda stealing Kaecelius’ “Hypocrite!” line.
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Well… they did have him getting bailed out by a woman more than once.
16:19 WHATTT?? My mouth was literally open with amazement at that. She needs the powers to travel the universes just in case the kids fall sick and she needs medicine from another dimension?? Are you serious? Is that how piss poor these writers are??
To be fair, She can't control or do anything to them with her powers so it makes sense for her to say that.
@@jesuschristthefirstjojo.7565 no it doesn't make sense at all lol. Just idiotic writing and dialouge.
@@kendallrivers1119 it does make sense. The whole premise, and it's consistent across every single multiverse is that she's lost her mind after killing the love of her life and she's obsessed with her kids.
@@kendallrivers1119 She couldn't even put them to sleep with her powers. Since she can't do anything to them magic wise, It makes sense for her to say that because if they do get some type of virus that doesn't have a cure, With America's power she could go to another dimension that does have one.
Ugh, why are you all taking what she says at face value? SHE'S CRAZY WHEN SHE SAYS THAT. It's not supposed to be a logical statement.
Seriously, PAY ATTENTION
On Patrick Stewart's loss of presence with age: I just saw him in 1981's Excalibur as Sir Leondegrance, and all I could think of was Robert Baratheon saying "Gods, I was strong then!"
Shouting, the movie. Love it though.
So I know the panel doesn't have a ton of comic knowledge, but Blackbolt is one of the strongest characters in the comics, on par with Thor and hulk, and the fact that he apparently gets bitchslapped is bad.
He's just not on par with Scarlet Witch.
@@davidfisher8870 but captain Carter is?
@@donpietruk1517 I'm not sure what your question is.
Meaning Carter isn't nearly as powerful as Blackbolt but lasted a lot longer in her fight with Scarlet Witch than Blackbolt did.
@@donpietruk1517 oh I agree Black Bolt got short changed but Reed Richard's (the smartest man in the world) blurted out Black Bolt's power. He's the reason. I imagine Captain Carter is equivalent to Steve Rogers. Tougher than the average human.
It’s not art, it’s just content
Seems to be the status quo for movies now.
@@pocademic 💯💯💯💯💯
Can we also acknowledge that Wanda was only with her kids for a couple days at most before they vanished. What kind of connection could she have possibly developed?
An insane connection, apparently.
Kind of like a Stalker.
Haven't watched any of the TV series but supposedly Darkhold messes you up?
She does say she’s been dreaming about them every night & can watch them in other universes. She kept building it up in her mind & went crazy
I mean are you saying a mother cant absolutely connect with her newborn?
@@blueberrydenim4807 I felt that was a horrible plot point. Seriously, if you see dreams, they are happening to your variants somewhere.
THE MESSAGE. Is super strong in this movie. They destroyed reed and I am livid at this especially with a fan casted John krasinksi!
@Jackson Davies | Digital Artist I can have an opinion and yours is interesting, because we seen very different films apparently. lol bad writing is bad writing no matter how you cut it. Also you’re assuming movies will be how you think. This was shit that isn’t gonna be better.
9:02 And so, the MCU begins to face the same problem that comics have had to deal with for decades: archive panic.
Also where the heck was Vision? Now Wanda is just some strong single mom?
I wondered that as well. He didn't turn up at all.
I imagine it was to highlight how selfish Wanda has become, thinking of them as her kids and no one elses
The whole point of trotting Stewart out looking all senile and frail IS to denigrate him it's an extension of what they are doing to his characters. It won't stop because they want people thinking of this doddering old schill instead of a deep voiced vital looking man. These productions aren't about profit. They'll take it if it's there but there is a plan behind how all these characters and actors are being treated.
Source: I made it the fuck up.
They evidently showed him for nostalgia points as can clearly be seen by looking at youtube "trailer analysis and speculation" channels around the time of the trailer drop. Stewart Xavier is more iconic than Reboot Xavier.
Grow up, Xavier isn't some omnipotent and never was. Quit whining he got killed.
@@fagarou two things can be correct at the same time. They may have used him for nostalgia in the trailers, but that doesn't take away from what has been done to his characters in the last 5 or so years. Remember one of the plot points of Logan was that Xavier was literally going senile and couldn't control his powers anymore. His character also likened his medication to chemical castration. His character Picard was also ran through the wringer as a sad old man who constantly was lectured and insulted. Now here he is again in this movie going through the same motion.
Put 2 and 2 together. They did the same with Harrison Ford's characters. In Indiana Jones he was brought back as a divorced dead beat father. In the Blade runner sequel he was killed off; and in Star wars he was brought back as a divorced deadbeat father a second time and then killed off again.
There is a pattern with Hollywood, recognize it. If it was only about sales and money they would have learned their lesson years ago with the all female Ghost busters reboot that flopped; and franchises wouldn't all be commiting ritualistic suicide all at once.
So, Dr. Strange 2 has an ANTI-ABORTION message??? Wanda mourning the loss of her children? Interesting timing.
Clearly they have been filming, etc for a while, but yeah that’s some LOL timing!
XD
Phase 4: Let's Kill Off Our Original Characters To Make Room for Our New Diverse Characters
Which character from Dr Strange or even the MCU got killed and replaced in this one ? If you argue that there is a woke reasoning behind it, Wanda herself doesn't count as 1) She's comic book dead so can come back at anytime and 2) She's female and nobody replace her ?
@@fagarou Dr. Strange is now a much less compelling character. He wasn't allowed to defeat any of his enemies besides a different version of himself and he's not even allowed to get an alternate universe Rachel McAdams. Are we really supposed to believe a *fucking superhero* can't get any woman he wants?
@@budwyzer77 So first that wasnt the question and second I'm far from a twitter feminist but that kind of fucked up that you thought anyone "deserve" to get a girl. Especially when this kind of normal life / superhero life dilemma is a really common comic book trop and was literally spelled out during the movie. Strange also didnt get rejected, they only just met (as it as been established alternate selves can be quite différent).
@@fagarou Dude, he also didn't just move on and find a different woman. Who the hell goes to their ex's wedding, anyway?
@@fagarou I was replying to you claiming there was no woke shit in the movie. I have no idea how a functioning human being could possibly reach that conclusion.
The only thing i liked about this movie was crazy wanda, The MSheU finally showcased some of the scary things a character with such power can do, it was OP AF but it felt like something wanda could totally do.
Was probably that time of the month, could have been solved with some Mexican food and Advil
This movie should have been called Marvel Women and some other magical guy
OP AF because she went all in with the bad book.
@@Aggronok Are you gonna whine anytime you see a woman?
@Jason Bourne It's better than anything Sony or FOX would've done.
We now have a constant stream of movies where zero training new to their powers heroines can close their eyes and focus on “the power within” to simply out brawl foes twice their size and with a lifetimes training.
Yet the long established male heroes can’t even defeat their regular rogues gallery without the help/plot-armour-break of a randomly allocated strong independent whammen who is utterly incapable of sustaining their own successful comic run.
That didn’t happen once in this movie so you can safely go see it without being offended.
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Yes it does, Chavez gets to land her blows on Wanda after gaining "BELIEF IN HERSELF" while Professor X and Reed Richards can't even do shit
Dr Strange needed help of Christin to battle the demons for some reason
And btw a solo Wanda movie would worked as well as Eternals movie, so they needed Dr Strange to be in the title
@@tomricardo4422 You need some new glasses.
@@abhishekacharjee9931 But anytime it happens to a male lead who hears "Have faith in yourself" it's good?
But...when Luke Skywalker did the same thing America did, you loved it.
I don't understand why they had Marvels most intelligent person(Reed Richards), stand there and just try to GRAB Wanda. Wtf? Reed would of had a way better contingency plan than that, it is ridiculous.
How was Wanda not knocked out when getting hit by Caps shield? She is still a human, and from what I can tell she didn't have a force field up.
Why was Christine trying to break a cage to hold super heroes with a fire extinguisher?
My boy Professor X was done wrong. Even if Wanda is more powerful he would have put up a better fight than that. To bad Legion wasn't there.
Captain Marvel can be crushed now by stone? Wtf was that?
2 moms.
Edit: For the Wanda stans out there, Thanos still wrecks her in every aspect😂
20:17 THIS was my main issue with the flick, you don't just brush aside Prof. X like he is some red shirt jobber, OR Reed and Black Bolt for that matter. A top 2 telepath in Marvel, X could kill Wanda with a thought if he wanted. OK, she beats him for plot's sake, but he should have put up a HELL of a better fight than that. Very disrespectful to the character
@@thee_morpheus Yeah I was bummed about X. Essentially they used these guys as fodder just so ppl could be like, "holy shit she is so powerful". They shouldn't of even been in the movie if they weren't going to give them enough screen time and a proper fight. Can't believe they had Reed do that man. Starlord would of had a better plan than that.
@@thee_morpheus And what rules did Dr. Strange break? He also didn't murder anybody. Ridiculous line and comparison. This movie had good effects, about all I can say.
Wanda taking the hit from the shield was my biggest issue (Prof X being #2) - everyone else gets knocked out but she’s ok since she’s the villain?
@@TulkasMight Yeah Strange if anything was selfless in his approach
It reminds me of that South Park episode, with the kids playing ninja with anime powers and in EVERY SITUATION Cartman make's up a new power
The second RPG
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Not angry because I eventually won
I'm waiting for the erotic version:
Doctor Gets Some Strange
Yeah but it’ll be from a trans poc in a wheel chair with a speech impediment 🤷🏻♂️
I read that as "Gets Some Strangle."
Wanda's reality manipulation makes the reality stone/aether look completely useless.
Would have made more sense she was now host to the reality gem
When you over power characters, you cant do anything with them.
Has anybody asked where the hell Vision was through all this? In any universe?
Actually, yeah what the fuck? I thought that for a split second to myself in the cinema then it just went out of my head. But seriously, where was Vision every single time?
@Szymon Lech Dzięcioł Lmao based. Vision would have been so greatly appreciated in this. It's a bit odd that she was clambering for her two fictitious children who she'd known for a month but had made peace with Vision being dead despite being fully aware of the infinite possibilities of the Multiverse.
In 838 ultron was perfected which means the red android body might of never been created and could be just a human version of him
MCU peaked with Infinity War. Change my mind.
Also - requiring viewers to watch the Disney+ content makes *perfect sense* when this movie was made for Disney+. The fact that it's in theaters is just advertising to get more subs.
Civil War for me, but Infinity War was at least okay.
Agree, Endgame was pretty flawed.
•They massacred Hulk by skipping his development to Professor Hulk and have him sidelined, The comics did Professor Hulk better.
•They massacred Thor by removing his title of king and have him fat and playing Fortnite, I could get by with the depression, but everyone makes fun of him for it.
•The BS time travel subplot that created loads of issues and resulted in the Loki series creation.
•Old Captain America is a pretty big plot hole when you think about it. He abandoned his friends for a girl, he should’ve been in another timeline, he could’ve died of old age and Sam wouldn’t get the shield.
•The “woman power” scene.
•Jokes, Jokes everywhere.
@@LegacyComics100 Are you gonna whine anytime you see a woman who isn't a shrieking damsel?
@@ShadowSonic2 No you corporate simp, I’ll criticize women for being terrible human beings with bad moral fibers, look when a teenage robot has more humanity and heroic values you know Hollywood messed up!
You are clearly simping for corporate tomfoolery, you are promoting harmful behavior and you don’t see anything wrong with it because you are stuck in a delusion when it’s pretty much predictable at this point, it’s in FACE VALUE!
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Remember when it was reported Benedict stormed off the set yelling "Why don't you just call this movie f&%king scarlet witch!" Now we know why.
She is the villain
I didn't hear about that.
@@shanehudson3995 Yeah it was only a story for a little bit, Disney squashed that shit pretty quick.
Cumberbatch is 10x the actor Olsen is. Can understand why we would be pizzed with how the movie basically put her in the lead.
I've spoken to three friends this afternoon who are keen to see this film this weekend. I wanted to tell them not to go, to save their money and do something better, but sometimes you can't talk someone out of a bad idea. They have to see if for themselves.
Anybody going to see anything MCU at this point should not be allowed to mage their own money, but have some sort of caretaker do that for them.
And if they can walk out of this movie and not think that Disney stole their time and money deserve to be robbed of both.
Me: "It's worse than Eternals"
Friends: "Bull..."
Which it is, Eternals has a cheesy yet simple plot.
@@Shockguey I love the concept of it including Arishem. But my fucking God, they did a terrible job at designing Eternals by having literal emotions. Of course, they’re going to fucking rebel you
@Brian Gade 16,51 Chill, people have different interests and preferences and that’s okay
@@DerichndofCoomland god forbid people like things you dont
Yea, have to strongly agree with two specific comments. 1) Loki destroyed the character Loki; and 2) Infinity stones in a drawer like a collection of paper weights. I was watching Loki with my wife. After the first couple of episodes of Loki, I popped in my The Avengers blu-ray and went straight to Loki's entrance in The Avengers. I asked, is this the Loki in Loki? No, we agreed. They are the same in appearance and name only. Loki was emasculated from the get-go. As soon as they stripped him and put on the shock-collar and the power inhibitors, he was basically emasculated where the only juice left in him was to fall in love with a female version of himself which is in an of itself an "ew, gross" moment.
@Szymon Lech Dzięcioł Because the MCU can't decide if Asgardians are superhuman or not
You know, the multiverse has an infinite amount of universes where wanda is dead while the kids still exist, so wanda should've collaborated with strange to help chavez with her power and open a portal to those particular universes rather than taking chavez's power and kill an alternate wanda
There is a scene where Wong asks her this, she says "what if something happens to the kids, the mulriverse is infinite and has an answer to every problem I wud be able to save them etc.
Or Wanda could have taken the easy route, and just gone to a sperm bank and gotten pregnant.
At this point, Steven needs to open up a fuckin' daycare for all the *Baby sitting* he keeps doing🤦🏾
I love that you guys watch these turkey films and give the great analysis, as there's no way on earth I'd go to see any of these films anymore.
These guys get a lot wrong because they hate anything with women and nonwhites in it.
There was a small burst of her energy before that temple completly collapsed & Elisabeth Olsen has like a 7 movies deal so she can't be dead
Elisabeth Olsen 616 is probably dead...but she exists in all the other worlds in the multiverse, so it'd be easy to still use her character.
Well, also she's up against some of the most powerful beings in the universe, and they can't even fight her, but a temple falling on her kills her?
FUCKIN CALLED IT
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Glass Cannon.
Like when Stark fought Thanos and as his armor deteriorated he was more at risk of dying.
That being said I haven't seen MoM but as I understand she does a Cobain?
The only good thing to come out of Phase 4 is Elizabeth Olsen's surprisingly good acting.
In the immortal words of Stan “The Man” Lee: “Every issue is someone’s first.” Thank God I was aware of all the details going in. I actually kinda forgot about Baron Mordo and kinda brain farted on Strange having been Snapped for 5 years.
I misread Baron Mordo as Marlon Brando and was intrigued but confused.
💯👍. Excellent point
Let it all die. From the ashes new dynasties wil arise.
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Apart from some cringe moments - the "music fight" was completely bonkers, for example - I enjoyed it.
As was mentioned by the boys, the pace is _relentless_ and Raimi's vision is very apparent.
I thought once; I could use fake realities, movies, comics, video games to escape the things I do not enjoy of the every day mundane. However, if there’s one thing I’ve learned in pass years, is there’s no escaping
Wanda created her kids in wandavision, and instead of just making them again but not enslaving a town, she goes on a quest through multiple universes to steal them from herself. Wut?
She can't make them again, she had to use a lot of power to make the fake Vision and he merged with White Vision at the end of the series so she's lost that bit she needs.
The writing in this movie is soooo terrible
“It would take me hours and hours to go through this pile of shit”
And this being MauLer, you *know* he means hours!
Damn near 6 hours lol
Anyone else just thinking that if they were going for the multiverse storyline why they didn't just start in a new universe after end game and do the setup for the next big threat with a brand new cast of characters. It would also allow new actors to take on Iron man and Captain America, Thor, Black widow etc as we all know the actors are tired of these roles. They could have changed their origin stories and do alternate histories. Like you can also have had the characters from the old universe make appearances and help out etc.
I'm also thinking about it from a new fans perspective. No new fan is going to have a clue what's happening or why unless they watch several other films and series on a platform that might not exist in a few years time as Disney might pull the plug on plus at some point in the future.
There is precedent for this; you just described the ultimate universe that they created like 20 years ago... It failed and no longer exists now. People hadn't seen one or both of the previous actors to play spidey, but that didn't matter when they arrived on screen again. Interest will generate effort to learn about what you missed if you enjoy it enough
That would require that Disney Writers have a greater IQ than -12,000
But they don't
Their IQ is much *much* _MUCH_ lower than -12,000
I really thought they were gonna continue from No Way Home with Strange still picking up the pieces from his spell with Parker. He realizes he can't clean it up alone so he gets Wanda's help and they go through a wacky adventure cleaning up the multiverse that got messed up.
Nope.
You just described DC's Crisis, it would be a huge ripoff.
@@The_Real_Frisbee that’s what the trailers made it look like. Through the trailers I honestly thought zombie strange was the bad guy. I thought there was a dark magic plague running throughout the multiverse since Strange tampered with it
I lost all hope on the MCU lmao i was hyped for Sam Raimi's directing a Marvel movie but he was definitely held back by them.
Well, movie is much more graphic in terms of action and the horror of Sam Raimi is still there
Script is garbage
I’m gonna be honest, I don’t think Rami couldn’t repair the damage that has been done by Phase 4 Marvel.
@@LegacyComics100 Yes yes yes, women and nonwhites are bad. We all know how people like you think.
Best reaction from The Critical Drinker: "F*ck off film!"
Why wouldn't Wanda just go to a Universe where she is dead and the kids need a mother?
90 minutes saved
The fantastic four movies 2000s which I like will be hold as masterpieces compared to marvel does
Aye they were corny and dumb, but at least they were fun snd knew what they were
*to Disney, because these fuckers just want to destroy modern culture SO BAD
Sooooo.... In the MCU, kidnapping people is justifiable as long as you run away at the end?
WTF!!???!?!?!
To be fair, that's pretty much how war crimes work, as long as you're the winner.
Welcome to modern leftist politics and morals dude.
@@fieldmarshalbaltimore1329 Oh, but it's fine when Magneto does it?
@@ShadowSonic2 what
Can we talk about how a single guy with a sniper rifle in Kamar Taj could've ended the entire conflict the moment Wanda shows up in the cloud of evil?
Knowing Wanda, she had a barrier. Knowing the kamar Taj, they don't use snipers.
But man, imagine how short this film would be if they just shot an origin bullet at her
@@secondaegis9190 there are so many moments in the film where I was like "kneecap her kneecap her kneecap her kneecap her"
She clearly doesn't always have invisible force fields around her
And the fact that Kamar Taj (or wakanda or fucking anyone in this universe) doesn't use firearms in any way is just ugggghhhhh
@@secondaegis9190 "Hey, Kayneth."
I saw them shooting magic arrows and I was like bro why don't you just do that with guns? Or lasers or some shit.
I laughed so hard when Drinker said "Fuck off film" hahahaha.
Everytime America spoke, it felt really stupid and forced. Like the blue haired girl from the last Matrix.
But there were so many Sam Raimi-isms, and that's what i loved about the film.
Black Captain marvel died because a stone fell on her. But before that, she just stoodby as Wanda killed her fellow Illuminati mates. They waited turns. It was so dumb.
It was nice seeing John Krasinski as Reed, but unfortunately he died 5 mins later.
Black bolt lost his mouth, freaked out and vaporized his brain and skull.
It felt like Wong was the only good thing in this movie. Though everyone was acting really hard, but looked really tired.
My love for the MCU is officially buried six feet under with Stan Lee
Once again, love these cut up shorts from your talks
Not to be the defender of "America" in this film but she literally said "You have to take my power, I understand now". I don't like her mastering her powers like that but she did understand why a strange would make that choice.
These critical thinker idiots can't even follow the script or plot but love to criticize it cause "MCU so woke" threatening their fragile male egos lol
Don’t expect these triggered snowflake reactionaries to be level headed and make actual criticism. This whole room is a echo chamber
Problem with that is it's undercooked. Preferably, we ought to see her spiraling down to depression, tempted to just lose it all as she thinks about it more but no we don't see that. Kama Taj gets wiped, her reaction? Like nothing happened.
@@luiseatoll6368 Exactly, she barley had an other expression on her face the whole movie.
I would argue that Wanda has much of the Darkhold’s power while dreamwalking without physically carrying it because she’s studied it for so long. Isn’t the power in the knowledge of the book, and the the book itself? The fact that it’s merely information copied down from ancient wall engravings would imply this, no?
The deaths of the heroes in this movie were horrifying, but not in a good way
The needing to watch everything is what is killing the comic industry.
When I watched this movie, I actually missed the opening scene and arrived only to see this giant tentacle monster chasing this girl in New York. So while I understood the general premise of the movie, I felt completely lost on how some elements came to be, such as the Strange corpse or America's power until they resurfaced later in the movie.
And that is the heart of this film's issues in my opinion. Others have mentioned how this film feels like two different movies at odds with each other, the corporate Marvel superhero narrative that emphasizes world-building and interconnecting all of these different characters, concepts, and worlds and then there's this trippy, abstract Sam Raimi spectacle where we're seeing a self-centered asshole make grand sacrifices against unfathomable horrors.
When it's Marvel, it's convoluted and heavily relies on your investment in this grander narrative of multiversal conflict.
When it's Sam Raimi, it's all-consuming bleakness sprinkled with slapstick and tearing down the egos of these self-important "heroes."
And based on the interviews Sam has given about the creative process of this film, it's painfully obvious that the people at the top didn't know how everything would piece together so they left it up to the director to make the most of their messy continuity. My only hope is that IF Sam winds up coming back to direct another Marvel project, he's wholeheartedly allowed to DIRECT instead of trying to jigsaw a narrative from the disjointed ramblings of corporate entities.
The thing with the fucking infinity stones in a drawer thing is that is 100000% devalues the sacrifice of characters like Gamora and Black Widow.
The problem I have with this has less to do with the film on it's own, and more to do with acknowledging and using the multiverse.
For the average viewer, the fact that the multiverse exists now invalidates everything that's happened before and everything that's going to happen with future films because there exists an infinite number of worlds where the actions of the past films and all future films did and did not happen.
What exactly is the point of any Disney Marvel film from this point on? Is everything successful Disney Marvel film from now on just going to be No Way Home with different heroes? It's all pointless now!
If a film goes good but incompetent writers don't know how to continue the story: "Multiverse! Those events happened elsewhere, embrace our story that totally isn't stupid!"
If a film is total trash and we feel the characters we like are being ruined: "Multiverse! Those events didn't happen! Please continue giving us money!"
This is why I knew I was done the minute they started incorporating time travel and multiverses. There are no consequences any more, they can just reset on a different earth or go back and change this, that, or the other. I would be zero percent surprised if they brought Tony back at some point or Natasha.
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@@TGuard00014 you know they would
It's stated that people from other Universes can't travel around without causing Multiverse disruptions, and America is quite possibly the one exception to this.
Illuminati: "Our Doctor Strange dabbled with the Darkhold, so he was too dangerous to let live."
Doctor Strange: "The witch coming after us is using the Darkhold."
Illuminati: "Nah, we'll be fine. Your trial for the crime of being a Doctor Strange is more important."
Reminded me of the council of ricks.
LAZY WRITING!
I continually feel justified in giving up on the MCU in 2014
Cool man
Well it seems like you still watch mcu reviews.
@@The_Omniscient_Being Giving up on it being good does not mean I don't check things out to see how bad things are
I'm drinker in this scenario. The sad thing is that I was rooting for this film and the more and more I feared about really put me on edge and I was right to be afraid for this film and at this point Wanda is just to powerful that no one can stop her and so she "offs herself by dropping a temple on her head(which we know that she isn't dead) and her magic level is so powerful that she can do anything and all of her points she is trying to make just doesn't make any sense because she has the power to do those things and more but nope she just goes around killing people for no reason because she has mental heath issues.
I usually agree with these guys but I think they are being unfair. The film has a few flaws in the story but overall is great to watch and pretty good. With her powers, everything everyone is complaining about is explained.
Oh, but when Magneto keeps going back and forth on why he does stuff it's good writing?
@@dirkdisco2316 Well the reason why they and myself think that way is because we judge not just one film. But all of them since they are part of a film franchise and we also know the characters and we know their powers and we know what Disney's been doing and that is why are thoughts on it are not good and I did see it and it is bad and no CGI can change that. We except it to be just that a story with actual characters(not props for the woke BS) among other things and the MCU to us ended with Endgame and we judge based on that standard and that is something that Kevin Feige has lost and why they hire activists and they put a vicegrip on the real creatives why want to make a good film but the studio holds them for some reason.
@@ShadowSonic2 What is Wanda's reason for being evil? Because of her children?(they were fakes created by her when she was grieving and unless you have forgotten that she enslaved a whole town for her messed up sessions).
@@JustTooDamnHonest There are just too many movies to judge them as a whole. I think this one is awesome, shows toxic femininity and in the end Strange had the agency and did it. The visuals were also top notch. It's my 5th fav after Endgame, Infinity War, Gaurdians 1 and No Way Home.
… I thought the TF2 scout says “I could do this all day”? Hahaa!
need a dispenser here!
The 'moral' of this movie is that NO ONE is truly a hero. Good guys can be bad guys at the drop of a hat. Now... Had they released this movie BEFORE Spider-Man: No Way Home, the movie would still stink but the message would have part of a character arc for Strange where things look very bleak and negative going INTO No Way Home but Peter's decision to selflessly sacrifice his own happiness for the sake of everything would show Strange that YES. There IS true heroism after all.
And also, they got to kill off the existing Wanda So they can clean slate the character if they want to use her with the X-Men and replacement Pietro. So they were able to finish destroying Wanda as the hero she had become in Avengers 2.
Is it that no one is truly good, or that SJWs are simply bad people who can’t envision good?
@@bobmcbobson8368 Either way, it's a very cynical attitude. As I said, had this movie been released BEFORE No Way Home, then at least the end of No Way Home would take the arc to a POSITIVE place. But this is just nihilist.
@@marcharkness6101 That is not true, just because a hero is flawed doesn't mean they aren't true heroes only ppl who are cynical like you think that also that's not the moral at all in this movie and there isn't even a moral because Wanda was never a hero or villain she's just someone who's suffered tragedy after tragedy and acts out of control because she's never had a way to properly channel her emotions. Now Spiderman and Superman are true heroes for lots of reasons, they don't kill, play dirty, help citizens and never give up even when things look hopeless what makes a true is someone who is willing to overcome their flaws and be a good example for ppl that look up to them, to say that isn't true heroism means you don't just don't understand shite about them.
@@wwehulk8798 Show me where I said that wasn't heroism. I stand by my statement that the makers of this film do not seem to believe in unselfish true heroism. Wanda stops herself in the end but the writers took a hero and made her a true villain She murdered LOTS of people to obtain power even if what she wanted is sympathetic, the Wanda we saw who was appalled by what Ultron intended to do was gone. Even if she may have briefly remembered that person as she killed herself. If you had paid attention to my comments, you might have noticed that I was disappointed that incompetent timing spoiled a wonderful CHARACTER arc for Dr. Strange. That this movie could have left a cynical feel in Strange, having seen the Illuminati as hypocrites who had to put a stop to an arrogant Dr. Strange only to die because of their own arrogance. Strange saw versions of himself that he has to acknowledge "But for the Grace of God, go I." And seen Wanda, a person who he fought alongside, SAVING the UNIVERSE giving in to selfish desires that led her to do VERY evil things. IF that movie had come first, it would be a troubling thought for Strange. ONLY TO BE REDEEMED BY Peter in No Way Home as Peter literally gives up EVERYTHING to save the world. Note... Peter DOES GREAT GOOD and his reward is to LOSE everything but the responsibility of being Spider-Man. THAT is heroism And he IS overcoming flaws and mistakes. But had that come AFTER Multiverse of Madness, I think it would have been a reaffirming message. One Strange would feel in his heart even if he didn't know why.
And people CAN have different Points of View on a fictional work and not be ignorant.
@@marcharkness6101 Oops my bad I thought you were implying something else, didn't realize it was sarcasm 😅
Seen it last night with my housemate, he loved Dr strange and he was stoned when he seen this and even he was like, meh.