Drinker's Chasers - Ahsoka Episode 3 Is So Dumb, It'll Make You Think Velma Is Funny
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- čas přidán 1. 09. 2023
- Featuring what may be the most nonsensical space battle in Star Wars history, episode 3 of Ahsoka sets a new benchmark for Disney stupidity.
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I like how Ashoka demonstrates how a lightsaber can cut a ship in half but it can't kill a wamen if she gets run through with one.
Even leaving a little scar, I guess in Star Wars medical treatment is top notch and they can just magically heal internal organs.
I guess they wanted to prove that not all ships are a she
@@afeliasI see what you did there. Nice one!
It’s happened over and over again in Star Wars, never stab unless you’re fighting qui gon.
@@maulressurected4405if it was a bullet y’all wouldn’t have said shit if she survived
The reason Sabine rolled her eyes at the droid when he answered her question was because he was droid-splaining to her. Either that or she thought he had the audacity to even consider that she was asking him the question. "Droids will be droids, amirite?"
Gen-Z feminist indoctrinate, classic portrayal. The word "insufferable" immediately springs to mind.
Yeah, "we don't serve their kind here" ^_^
There was also the 'out of shot' issue that the droid was droid-spreading on his seat....
Boy are the feminists going to hate AI.
Or maybe just maybe they are providing more context Into the history and relationship between the two characters and you're a child.
7:25 Oddly enough I never hear anyone reference the callback here.
This is the mistake, the exact mistake, Admiral Ozzel committed in the beginning of Empire. He exited hyperspace too late, trying to get to Hoth faster, but alerted the Rebels. This is the big mistake that caused Vader to kill Ozzel and promote Captain Piett to Admiral in his place. Had Ozzel followed this exact protocol, all the Rebels on Hoth could have been captured or killed.
The fact that they're having their POV characters eyeroll at this specific reference, as if this sort of protocol is made-up and useless, is just more deliberate destruction of the original. They made sure to nail the reference, and then they shat on it.
Shitting on the originals is what woke femproducers seem to be most competent at.
Yep, thank you!
That's so insane. This is yet ANOTHER example of what looks like someone trying to DELIBERATELY destroy the company.
Not to mention; exiting hyperdrive just a touch too late would mean exiting on the face of a planet. It's why a BIG deal is made about gravity wells and star-chart maps and asteroid maps being well-made and why, I dunno, HAN SOLO was such a big deal for being able to plot such an efficient course.
This is why I stopped watching this trash after Book of Boba Fett.
It can only ruin the six real movies if one exposes themselves to it too much.
I’ve always remembered how Qui Gon and Obi Wan couldn’t defeat the destroyer droids in TPM because of their shields, but Anakin blasted them to oblivion when he was stuck in the Naboo fighter. Because the ship’s blasters are much stronger than the blasts being reflected back at the droids. Yet Ahsoka deflects ship blasts with ease. As if they’re coming from battle droids or storm troopers.
THIS! It's the difference between a handgun and say, something like the 25 mm cannon on a Bradley. Just shows how little knowledge the snowflakes writing this show have of actual weapons, even conceptually. No understanding of scale or magnitude.
You've never seen a samurai deflect a tank round? 😂
@@ArcaneAnouki Once. His name was Jack, I believe.
@@melchiormagni That’s a good point. For me, it’s still bad continuity. But it makes sense when you look at it that way.
yep. but you have to think about the scale of power from the shields, a shield on a ship can take a lot more than a droidekas shield, and the guns on those other fighters may just be weak, cuz to me the ships look hella old and the blasters don't sound like they pack a punch. but thats just my own opinion.
How much time and money the Drinker and the gang have saved me these past few years is unreal
And we're getting to see a corrupted industry eat itself for free, to boot
DITTO! Star Wars has become another long episode of "My Ruined Childhood'.
same lol
Did you at least buy crypto?
I've read about 20 more books this year that I would have normally due to all the TV I *haven't* watched, lol
This is a new age of entertainment based on the old entertainment we loved.
Hera Syndulla really doesn't deserve the rank of General with her sheer incompetence.
Hera: "We're gonna fly straight through the blockade!"
Imperial Navy: *destroys enemy ships coming straight at them*
Hera: *surprised Pikachu face*
It just seems that Star wars has been dumbed down so much.
But she is a woman. All women deserve to be Generals after being oppressed by the patriarchy their whole lives!
Considering previous generals? Probably the smartest star wars general
To be fair, Hera is just pulling the same strategy Luke would pull during the Battle of Hoth.
Luke: Rogue Group lets make runs at the enemy in the only direction those walkers weapons can face.
Also the Empire.
Veers: My Lord, shall we bring down mobile anti-aircraft support for our forces?
Vader: What is anti-aircraft support?
Veers: A mobile platform that provides cover to our forces from air attacks. The country we are based off of called National Socialist Germany is famous for having many versions of them, as well as the other nation we get compared to called the Soviet Union during the Cold War.
Vader: No. That would make our job too easy and we want the Rebels to have a sporting chance.
(This is a joke folks, but it is a legit issue that I have with Star Wars ground battles. And Disney just makes things worse by creating battles worse than Hoth.)
But yes under Disney combat scenes have gotten worse. Whether its Lightsaber duels (they look like two people trying to beat each other with baseball bats rather than actual swordsman), Ground battles or Space battles. Disney just sucks at making even decent action scenes.
I'll go back to watching the Dogfight series if I want my dogfight highs, cause at least the 3d recreations are entertaining and actually keep my interest; even when the series can get some things wrong.
@@taags I cherish the old movies, but have decided that to get my sci-fi fix I need to read books.
I will never forget the moment when the emperor first appeared in person in episode 6. It was so well built up, only mentioned in 4, just hologram in 5 and then hundreds of troopers and his imperial guard before him. He oozed power and he was a mysterious figure, you had no idea what he is capable of. They just don’t make villains like that anymore. Only the new baron Harkonnen in Dune came close to him.
Dune part two coming up next year!
And then he shoots lightning 🌩
@@jasongarcia2140Yeah bro, the only movie I look forward to. It got me into the books, I'm on the 4th now.
"The Emperor! He is coming here?" And you can see the look on the Commanders face, he is terrified!
There is nothing like that in Disney Star Wars.
"the emperor is not as forgiving as I am" says it all for me.
The guys always describe the action scenes in modern Stars Wars as nonsensical but it makes sense when most of these episodes are written by people who don't understand physical conflict in the slightest
good point! 🤣
Or space, or gravity, or tactics of any kind
Or any kind of conflict. Even a disagreement.
They don't seem to understand anything at all.
The Kyle Rittenhouse situation makes more sense with this context.
13:08 This has been melting my brain since "The force awakens" where from what little the movie itself established the First Order was essentially an extremist group wandering around the galaxy on multiple star destroyers, and the republic didn't give a fuck whatsoever. No one did except for Leia and her cosplayer crew.
That's what you got from TFA? My take was that the Rebellion killed the Emperor, and instead of the empire collapsing, the First Order immediately was able to bring all the fractured parts back together and carry on like nothing happened. Hence why they call rhe "good guys" the Resistance throughout the Disney Star Bores
@@BlueCheeseCross95 Well, the republic didn't know about it because Disney made a group of terrorists with no clearly established logistics covertly build in less than 30 years a thing the entire republic would've spent centuries on.
@atrane365 except in the last jedi the film can't decide if they are rebels or resistance. I always the first order were just remnants of the empire, since they use their stuff even down to the stormtrooper armor.
@@atrane365 Disney's canon - the literature, not the movies - established that while the empire was reformed back into the republic after the -death- beginning of Palpatine's 30-year vacation, the new government led by suddenly moronified Mon Mothma was so bad with the other heads of the former rebel alliance being too stupid to do anything about it, that no one really cared about the First Order forming from the remaining empire loyalists during the next 30 years. Only Leia and her closest allies (not Han and Luke, though) did, creating the Resistance as a separate organization from the republic that, while supporting the Resistance, was still only mildly bothered. Even when the First Order started to blow up planets.
As other replies mentioned, they had the capability to build but also SUPPLY (which presumably required resources on a scale ten times more vast than even the original Death Star which all but bankrupted the Imperial Navy and Tarkin himself wanted the Emperor to instead spend that money on dozens more superdreadnoughts or thousands more regular star destroyers which would have been much more useful in actually pacifying the galaxy) the planet death star, and yet despite there being ZERO chance that the republic didn't have any idea of these massive amounts of resources being refined and supplies being shipped all in one specific direction, as you said they just said "Nah, it'll be fine" right up until Diverse Lady watched the Starkiller blast heading straight for her.
Also, on that note, how did literally nobody in the fucking Republic Navy find it strange that factions in the new republic were convincing them to pull the ENTIRE fleet into close orbit of the planet? They KNOW VERY WELL about superweapons capable of obliterating planets in a single blast, and yet thought nothing of 'demilitarizing' by pulling everything in close to the planet LMAO, it's writing so bad only a mother could love it, and by mother I mean KK.
They wanted characters that we can relate to! They nailed it: the main characters are just as bored as the audience.
The droid is the only one in the show that seems to remember how the force works
And they keep crappin on him for it
Given that's David Tennant anybody else would be continuously saying they have a bad feeling about this!
It's almost like the director was like "Stop being excited you have plot armor!"
You're the main character Mary Sues who are so self assured they know they're never going to die and will win everything easily in the end, will you act like it godammit!
It's the drifting stuff that kills me. In space if you turn off your engine you will continue to move at the same speed forever (or until another force acts on the ship to slow or change its velocity or direction), you don't slow down and drift slowly, that's not how space works
They think men can be women, science doesn't matter to these people.
Dude I uttered it almost out lound. With the word switch when Han tells Finn "That's not how the Force works" I was like "That's not how the space works" .. it's just so stupid .
Then why does Ashoka have two lightsabers ??🤨🤨
I'm willing to grant that ships have an impulse engine for slowing down, like it'd make sense to have a way for precision speed control
Why are you complaining about realism in Star Wars? You know there’s no noise in space right?
A useful contrast to the "I'm such a stoic badass that I just seem bored no matter how much my life is in danger" of these gerlbosses and modern action films in general is the classic Master and Commander, where they are visibly bearing up stoically to the horrific damage and carnage that was entailed in repeated cannon broadsides of the time. The Stephen Maturin character is especially masterful in portraying his suppressed extreme stress whilst triageing in his dark and blood soaked little ship hospital as the ship is being shaken by cannon fire. That my friends, that's a masterful portrayal of grace under pressure.
Or, for somewhat less cultured people, the times in Star Trek when they almost lose the ship, but Picard/Kirk/their officers have to remain stoic and unmoved in front of their crews, but there is always the times right after when they are alone and allow the facade to fall enough for the viewer to see the pain and torment
Isn't it funny that they always say men should show more emotions yet they write all women to be stoic as hell.
Agreed. A personal favorite of mine is Spencer Tracy in "Northwest Passage" (1940.) Tracy put on a clinic on how to portray leadership and command presence as the legendary Robert Rogers in that film. Tracy's "Major Rogers" is the kind of leader that one would follow into combat.
Late in the movie, Rogers' Rangers on a grueling march are starving and exhausted with the only things keeping them going is Rogers' leadership and his promise that at their destination there will be food, warmth, and shelter. As they near the place, Rogers runs ahead and discovers that he's been cruelly let down. There is no food. Knowing that the promise that he made to his men won't be kept, he breaks down in tears. When his men approach giddy with anticipation for the food, he quickly composes himself and resumes the mantle of command before his men can fall into total despondency. (Does anyone think modern Hollywood would allow a "girlboss" to have such a moment of even a temporary weakness such as Tracy's Rogers' heartbroken tears?)
If you had any knowledge of these characters at all you would know that they aren’t “gerlbosses”. They have done no PC or woke things whatsoever in this show so far. I don’t know what y’all are watching
@@tipsyt1909 simp harder
People saying that "yeah she's older it's normal" might want to consider the logic they applied to leia in the kenobi show, they portrayed her exactly as she was in "a new hope" despite being 10 years old, the same logic don't apply to Ashoka. Disney isn't logic.
"Their older that's why they act totally different" argument is making a come back. I still remember when that was the premiere defense for Luke acting like Jake Skywalker in TLJ.
@@aadd2935 depends on how the change. If she covered herself in a suit made up of flounders and peanut butter, it'd be change, but not good change.
@@aadd2935 if you make a 10 year old (or younger, I don’t remember exactly) behave like an experienced adult rebel general who sometimes is smarter than a Jedi master, yes, it’s bad writing cause it doesn’t make sense; if you drain the personality off characters with a quirky recongnizable attitude and turn them into stoic non expresive mannequins that communicate by staring at each other, yes, it´s also bad
Anyways, if your character got giga boring as he got older, maybe don't make a show about the later part of his life then ?
Disney and leftists =|= logic.
I just want to point out that "General" Hera is in charge of the Barma Battle Group...
She has 2 flagships, 1 Capital ship, 3 fighter squadrons and 1 ground infantry unit under her command, she already had the resources to investigate, the whole meeting with the senators was just so she could insult that 1 guy.
Remember in "A New Hope" ...the DEATH STAR run.... Those fighters (X-wing, Y-wing) pilots, were horrified!!! I love RED LEADER! "THIS IS IT!!!!" And the whole brigade just BLITZ the DEATH STAR!!!! AWESOME!!!!! Those pilots were putting it all on the line!!! I miss those days!!!!
Thrawn in the old books was one of the most beloved antagonists due to a multilayering of mystery and ability. He's a Chiss (an alien from the unknown regions) who rises to the rank of Admiral in a highly xenophobic empire. Palpatine, dispite the empires distate for anything nonhuman, sees such value in Thrawn's stratigic ability that he gives him one of the highest ranks and just keeps him out of the way of the other admirals as he knows they would ignore the Chiss because he's got blue skin and red eyes. Pellaeon (a human) is his first officer who has massive respect for Thrawn due to the way he leads and ruins anyone he comes up against in battle, and the only reason it all comes to an end is betrayal by his bodyguard at a critical moment. Although we later find that he had a back up plan incase that happened..... he was THAT good!
Its sad that the Legacy books are not considered canon, especially when the story of this Admiral is one of bigotry, racism and how he overcomes that through knowledge and actions..... its like the perfect woke story wrapped up in a bow with a Star Wars sticker stuck straight on top to excite all the old fans and introduce new ones to a collection of amazing stories...... what a bunch of twats Disney are atm!
Thrawn would be problematic because he acts in support of the bigoted power structure, because he believes there's something worse out there than the bigots at home. Meanwhile, the woke mob is up in arms about microaggressions while ignoring, say, the beatings the Saudi religious police dole out on a regular basis.
Smh such a waste
They have broke canon so hard even they have no idea what tech is capable of. Or not capable of
As Drinker put it, it's quite literally up to the whims of whichever writer is writing Current Project. One almost might wonder if it's by design. Disney seems to be doing their best to de-mystify the entire Star Wars IP, removing everything that made it special and turning it into more by the numbers slop like the MCU.
If (and when) Thrawn shows up but gets immediately #GirlBoss put in his place by witch(?) lady (I can never remember her name LMAO) and is forced to grovel before her to get the right to command the Imperial Remnant navy, we will have our final proof that yes, this was always KK's goal. She suffered long enough assisting those evil Manfolks like Lucas and Spielberg who got all the credit and money and accolades (never mind that it's because THEY invented the fucking IPs and the stories, and she was just essentially hired help), now she will show EVERYONE that their work is not as respectable and fun and worth enjoying as we thought!!! Her pathological need for 'revenge' has led to this constant bombardment of female characters with zero character other than "Me strong, men bad" played by actresses who get on stage and clearly know nothing about Star Wars, even Disney Star Wars, but what they DO know and gladly harp on and on about, is how diverse they are and how strong their character is... I wonder why that is?
Sabine is almost 30 and she’s still acting like a teenager
She's so quirky and relatable, that's what the "writers" probably thought.
Kinda of realistic actually... At least with some women I personally know lol
That just represents the 30 year old generation right now. People who never matured.
@@szeltovivarsydroxan9944 true
Yea that’s called personality
Watching this show after playing through Jedi Survivor twice makes me appreciate how much personality Cal, Merrin, and Cere have
Would have been a better use of time and money to make that game series into a show, same actors and just laid out for a show so the non video game players get to have the characters and story, much more interesting than anything else they have done with jedi related stories
@@TheSmokingMustacheRespawn also need to be able to tell the story of Cal before being turned into a TV show
@@ConnorMcCartney95 I may just be having a stupid moment, but what do you mean?
@@TheSmokingMustache He means so the show wouldn't take liberties before the games finish. For example they make a show and Cal is doing stuff he would never do and their excuse is the game hasn't finished yet so we don't know that doesn't happen. I just thought of the perfect example Game of Thrones.
@@pablopablo3834 Ah, gotcha well I guess as long as they actually did a season a year, seems like they could do it at the rate of the games.. either way more interesting story.
I swear as childern we came up with better in universe plots in starwars just playing with toys
The worst part for me, was when they were completely dead in the water and being attacked by three fighters. For some reason even that isn't enough for the fighters to even damage their ship, because they all just fly into melee range trying to hit Ahsokas lightsabers.
The plot armor is so thick, that there is no tension at all and everyone is so stupid, that you can always just count on them to do the worst possible thing. Like build a huge hyperspace ring, but only put weapons on one side of it, for some reason.
Talking about the bragging right of "I got cut down, not just shot down, by lightsabers!"
These are not normal heroes. They're girl bosses. Their plot armor is thick and their shields are both invisible and impenetrable.
No wonder the main characters seem completely bored all the time. They know the writers aren't going to allow anything even vaguely threatening to happen.
It's also ridiculous that all the damage to the ship could be repaired from inside the cockpit.
Trying to hit lightsabers with a fighter (not just to obliterate the wielder with, like, distant blaster fire) ? Hey, that's Rise of Palpatwalker + 1 level of Insanity !
Clearly Ashoka mastered the "There is no emotion, only peace" part of the Jedi code 😂
when did this happen because thats not what I remember from the character in Clone Wars ...?
I know right! The voice actors were actually given license to act in Clone Wars. I was actually just being sarcastic, but if you wanted to take it seriously, I guess you could say that Asohka was still just a youngling during Clone Wars and hadn't gained mastery over her emotions. Jedi are supposed to be stoic in universe, but that doesn't mean they should be robots. Alec Guiness made Obi Wan look like a normal human being at the same time instead of cardboard.@@greebj
There is no emotion, only smuggness.
Where were all these Jedi in the OG series where we were told the Jedi were extinct, and Luke was the only hope. Turns out Asoka just couldn’t be bothered to get involved
They're going for a 'certain point of view.' In this case, one that defines 'Jedi' as strictly a member of the _official_ Jedi Order, once headquartered at the Jedi Temple on Coruscant. Oh, and 'trainees' don't count, so younglings like Grogu and padawans like Kanan or Cal don't count, either.
Yes, why is the audience supposed to feel tension and care when the actual characters in the show don't? "Deflector shields down to 10%..." and the characters don't care and have zero emotions.
Once upon a time...
There were more villains than just the Empire
You couldn't track through hyperspace
Planetary gravity interfered with hyperdrive
There were factions among every side of the conflict
I still pray for the Yuuzhan Vong to come in and cleanse the galaxy of the New New Republic and the New New Jedi order.
You could sort of track someone through hyperspace of you saw their departure vector you could "follow" them, but that was it. You couldn't tell if they had dropped out, and if you didn't see them change direction you were screwed.
You could also sort of tell when something was going to arrive near your.
I miss Ashley Eckstein she helped bring the character to life and had so much more emotion. Dawson doesn't do that the closest was when she was with luke but still she acts like a plank of wood.
But worth noting that when Ashley played the character, the Jedi order wasn't fully destroyed, the galaxy wasn't under the thrall of an Empire and her master wasn't a Sith. That might tend to change someone's demeanor a little bit; make them a little cynical, etc. I actually find a more grown up Ashoka a bit refreshing. I think it contrasts well with how Ashoka was played in Clone Wars and Rebels.
@JeffNyman Ok, but she still plays her with some charm in Rebels. There is no excuse here.
@@jcore0981You could argue plenty of excuse, though. Decades of war. The Jedi hunted to near extinction. Now the threat of another war. Still dealing with her master having turned to the dark side. The loss of friends and allies.
Granted it's all subjective. But I would rather see evolution of the character than just the same character we've already seen in innumerable episodes in the past.
@JeffNyman You know you can be mature AND have a personality, right? War doesn't make you a plank of wood. Obi-Wan saw the entire Jedi Order destroyed, saw his brother turned to the Darkside, saw him burn alive in lava, and was stuck on a desert planet for 20 years. He didn't lose his personality.
@@jcore0981A lot of people claim Obi-Wan did lose his personality in the Obi-Wan show! That was one of the main complaints about it. That he was defeatist. I personally didn't see it that way. I saw him more as a realist who had to be pushed back into action.
But even so: who cares? Obi-Wan and Ashoka are two different people. People react differently to events in different ways. That's been the basis of fiction -- which is the basis of life -- since we've been around. How we react to circumstances. What shapes our behaviors given the events that happen to us. Good fiction forces you to confront characters who may become something you don't entirely like. And root for them to overcome it. Or at least come to terms with it.
i love that with the: 'hyperspace in, take a snapshot and leave' comment he exactly described one of thrawns tactics
Being under attack during a battle is many things...but "boring" isn't one of them! 🤣
All of a sudden lightsabers are strong enough to take out an enemy space craft, but Sabine can take one to the gut......ok.
I’m not defending this but it’s not all of a sudden. Rey took out Kylos ship in the desert with a lightsaber…I think it was Rise but I’m not sure anymore because the sequel trilogy just blends together into one big pile of shit.
@@mrsickukxx1332 I meant within the Ashoka show.
@@Biscuits645 ok mate. I agree with you and almost everyone else that it’s ridiculous. I too face palmed when it happened…again.
@@mrsickukxx1332 yea it's just awful writing mate. A total disrespect to star wars and the fans.
The actors weren’t the only ones who were bored. Nothing happened the whole episode. It’s was 36 mins that felt like forever.
Only 36 minutes?
Cool i dont like that episodes of live-action shows always must be around an hour nowadays.
Feels like watching a movie and watching an episode of a TV show is not very different these days.
Only animated shows seems to still be around 20 to 25 minutes.
The seasons are also very short when the episodes are so long.
It’s called character building. Y’all complain about modern movies/shows not doing it and when it finally happens you complain that nothing is happening. Can we all just agree that this wouldn’t be happening if the leads were men? I hate to be that guy but this show is good, much better than Mando s3, BoBF and Kenobi and yet it’s horrible because of what? They aren’t “girl bosses” or anything like that. Y’all want them to be so you claim they are to have something to complain about.
Lol. I have watched all four seasons of rebels and most of the clone wars. I love Ashoka as a character but what happened in this episode except we flew to a planet and got shot at. It felt like a filler episode which is fine if you have like 36 episodes, not in a eight episode run. no filler please.
@@tipsyt1909Character building? These are well established characters in lore outside the show, and everything the writers are doing with them is tearing down this previously established characterization, making them bland, unintelligent, entitled, arrogant, etc. Literally the opposite of character building
@@tipsyt1909That is not character building, it’s time wasting
I'm sure you could cite any number of Stargate Atlantis episodes for *good* examples of TV show characters reacting convincingly to a shield losing strength.
YES! McKay's freakouts are the best part of the show
Red dwarf had more emotion, like purple alert😂
A Stargate Atlantis reference? Nice. Still one of my favorite TV shows of all time. And yes, they did a good job showing characters reacting to loosing their primary means of defense very well.
or hell, SG1 too. but SGA was great at that.
Man, 90's and 2000's sci fi was gold. I miss it.
"it will make you think Velma is funny" is sth I never thought I would see in a million years
I remember reading the 'Heir to the Empire' Trilogy and thinking how differently would things have gone with Thrawn in charge, because he was just that good. This series is doing a terrible job of building up to that. Tie Fighter, a video game from the 90s, made him a more menacing character than Ahsoka has managed. So sad.
TIE Fighter is a great game. And Thrawn was an outstanding and unique villain. He wasn't a cartoonishly evil Sith. He didn't have mysterious powers. He didn't rule by fear or threats of violence directed against his subordinates. He was extremely smart, competent, and a technical genius. His subordinates revered him. Since he is male and played by a white guy under blue makeup, I'm sure he will now be made into an incompetent coward.
They already made him incompetent in Rebels. A shadow of the character shown in the Zahn Trilogy.
@@mrsickukxx1332 Filoni doesn' know basic level writing, so he's terrible. I like Thrawn from bothZahn trilogies. Only Zahn can write Thrawn correctly. I do like that he's more closer to an anti-hero in the newer ones though.
@@jasonthewatchmansson8873 Yeah, Darth Vader ruled his subordinates with fear, but with Zahn's Thrawn imperials under his command were totally devoted to him...and Captain/Admiral Pellaeon, his right hand man even grew up to be a kind of a good guy during EU timeline.
That's an issue with this whole damn Filoni/Favreau verse. They keep dropping hints that Thrawn is this super threat yet they've done nothing with him so far. We haven't even seen him yet. Heir to the Empire already introduces and establishes him as a genuine threat despite not being a demi god like Vader or the Emperor. He's probably gonna end up being in the finale where he gets like 5 seconds of screen time
The funny thing with Thrawn is they expect the EU to have set the background. So if you read the books you KNOW he's a problem.
But they threw those out so in the shows it means nothing 🤣
Congrats Disney, you played yourself.
Don’t bring up the fact they hate the EU but took mandalorians, force healing and other shit from the EU all while pretending it doesn’t exist.
Yep, the only explanations are either A. Filoni (and Lucasfilm/Disney themselves) ACTUALLY expects every single person who watches Ahsoka to have actually watched all those childrens cartoon episodes before watching this one because dave filoni's writing is a skill issue, or B. they really are lazy enough to just expect the same hardcore fans who hate everything Disney has done starting with and including episode 7, to forgive them de-canonizing the EU and just base their opinion of Disneythrawn on EU Thrawn and thus be, properly scared of his tactical thinking and brutality?
I genuinely don't know which is worse, but the only answer is one of these two.
Ahsoka has clearly been marketed as a live-action continuation of Rebels, so obviously it's option A.@@thehoerscorral8565
@@thehoerscorral8565 C. They don't give a flying fuck and just want to put out more sludge to fill up their streaming.
And Disney Thrawn got defeated by a tiny band of rebels with a Jedi Padawan.
When she jumped off a stationary spaceship and struck another passing spaceship, on a strafing run, with a lightsabre I lost my mind.
The fighter must have been travelling at 10,000 mph at least, but still passed close enough to them for Ahsoka to reach it... even with the Force the physics of that boggle my mind. How could she move fast enough to reach it with a jump ? Why would it pass that close? Who wrote this and thought it was cool? Ugh.
The idiot who wrote it (most likely Filoni himself) must've copied what JJ wrote for Rey in Ep 9 when she runs, back flips & cuts Kylo's Tie Fighter. Just as moronically dumb & of course it has to be the "Force is Female" protagonists that breaks all laws of physics like the Force Gods they have turned into.
It'd be awesome if Force users could throw and recall their lightsabers.
So much is so wrong with that space walk. Suddenly fighters that couldn't aim to save their lives are hitting her so often but they miss when it's the ship they aim for especially when the shields are down.
Nah, not 1000+mph, it's probably 20-50m/s in order to stay in the frame for half a second. 250mph would be around 110m/s or 360 feet/second. At some point, they do have to slow down, so it's hard to know what's going on.
The camera is probably a football field away, so if it's going past the camera in half a second, it should be simple enough to calculate based on her height, and the length of the lightsaber in pixels, along with the parallax. I'd guess it's closer to 80-100mph.
A proper maneuver would be to pincer, slow the formation for a wider pass, and attack at a 30' fire pattern, then slow to stop to tow the ship back. Theoretically, you wouldn't stop to board a ship in a fighter craft, but you also wouldn't sortie past either. The reason being, they could be playing dead, and the other 2 fighters would have to pursue if they evade or move out of range, i.e. snap into hyperdrive or explode, sic.
Everything else though, yes. She'd probably rip her arms off with the difference in mass as the saber plasma passes through the metal. The way a saber works now, seems to be almost imaginary at times. The fact that the lightsaber can absorb immense amounts of kinetic energy and not send Ahsoka off into space like a pinball, is ludicrous. It could probably achieve insane feats if a large enough saber beam was created, like cutting through a planet, or destroying a sun, et al.
@@ironcladnomad5639 they can. Savage displayed this several times in the clone wars.
EU Legends New Republic: *kept its military strength and held its ground against their enemies until the bitter end*
Disney New Republic: *disarmed 90% of its armed forces and folded immediately after First Order took down capital planet of Hosnia and neighboring planets*
I love seeing people reference Starkiller Base wiping out an entire system in one go to justify the NR rolling over. As if the Yuuzhan Vong weren't grotesque and monstrously capable and viciously driven and paradoxically inured to the Force and responsible for killing a major character/war hero during their initial emergence.
They are going to ruin Thrawn, one of the last truly unique characters that Disney hasn’t touched it’s only a matter of time
Of course they will. He's male.
By "matter of time," that means the next to the last episode, because villains don't need to exist until then in any Disney series outside of random mentions in occasional dialog. Villains are just a different kind of mystery box now.
@@f1jones544 yup
Well they did already touch him because he was the main villain in rebels after the other dimwit empire guy
Oh they can't touch Thrawn, because this is Disney where no one is truly evil or clever. It will be Dizzney Thrawn, a paler blue imitation without glowing eyes.
Love how selective they’ve made lightsabers and the level of damage they inflict. Getting stabbed through the stomach doesn’t somehow cook your internal organs and turn them into mush, but yet can effortlessly slice through solid metal and blow up a spaceship👌🏽 pure genius level writing. There’s so much idiocy with star wars now you can’t even keep track
Clearly a lightsaber’s effect on the human body is like a slightly irritating sun burn, while they can cut through metal armor like butter. Everything checks out here. No questions.
There were multiple enemy fighters blasting the shit out of the rear of their ship - where the bloody engine is - at point blank range, so you’d think they’d be be in a spot of bother. But nope, the Plot Deflectors took care of those. Then each one of the fighters is taken out with a single shot. WTF
@@melchiormagni So exactly what is the purpose of a fighter that inflicts no/low damage and can’t withstand any?
Regarding the laser somehow working like flak, it's the same kind of bullshit as the one giant ass ship in the Last Jedi where the lasers somehow have a curved ballistic or even Star Killer's laser somehow being able to split in every direction on its own.
It's suspension of disbelief pushed to the point where it can only work on people with room temperature IQ.
The idea that you can block cannon lasers from a ship with a lightsaber is just too much...
It's been happening for years now across Disney star wars canon
@@thomasthetank827 Disney is FAIL
If only Alderaan had a single Jedi on the surface they could have deflected the death star cannon.
Man, i do miss science-fiction.
Where are all the writers who are familiar and proficient in making it?
All Huwite Sadly.
It’d be forgivable if this was written by literal children instead of diversity hires.
At this point, these “”writers”” shouldn’t be surprised that AI is replacing them.
so I had the morbid curiosity of wanting to know who are the writers of this mess, and only Dave Filoni is credited as the writer
I hope it happens sooner than later.
Supposedly, these wokies will be the ones overseeing and guiding AI writing. It'll get much, much worse and they won't be the ones to pay.
@@vladpiranha They really don't like AI because AI is naturally based af. It treats everyone as equal, so the villains are actual threats and the protagonists are flawed.
It's a lot of work to lobotomize AI down to their level of incompetence.
Yet the big wigs are starting to notice the smell of their burning cash.
@@Highlader13 This is why I've laughed since them first announcing this show; it was all Filoni, not Kathleen Kennedy or one of her yes-(wo)men. If he truly is the visionary to save star wars, and his childrens cartoons are actually good, surely the characters will be well written right? Oh? That's not what we got? I wonder how such a mystery is possible?
Thrawn as he appeared in the original EU was an amazing character. A military genius who at one point wins a battle against some New Republic planet because he studied their freakin' artwork and predicted how they would fight based on that. There's also a subtle indication of how good he is because he's the only non-human Grand Admiral.
Tbh the new book series’s Timothy Zahn (the original author) wrote were amazing, infact if they were converted into TV or movies they’d be great, Thrawn is such a great character but he’s being wasted
@@snakeguy8646 i'd only accept it, if they were authentically converted, with Zahn in a consultant role, and Filoni far from it.
'Subtle?' It's not subtle when the story itself goes out of its way to mention it in precisely those terms.
@@ArgentWolf95 Imagine an authentic with (some) artistic liberties to portray the Chiss Ascendency and other unknown region factions on TV, seeing YIV in live action or animation would be amazing
I know it is no longer canon, but Thrawn is an astounding figure in Timothy Zahn's "Heir to the Empire." Ahhh...when Star Wars had hope. Thanks, mates! Great chat.
There are more Thrawn books! Thrawn Ascension! Thrawn is too bad ass for this show!
You can not raise the tension if there are no stakes, there is no struggle, or consequences to your decisions. It's part of the girl boss formulae. The girl boss never makes a bad decision and if she makes a questionable decision there are no consequences. If a girl boss is forced to interact with a man it's with loathing. Every bad idea a good writer would warn a new writer not to make the girl boss writers make those errors on purpose. The girl boss isn't relatable. Not because they are female. But, because having flaws would mean that they have are human and all girl bosses are flawless Mary Sues.
they aren't mary sues tho, the stakes are thrawn retuning to the galaxy and starting another war, sabine steals the map from ahsoka and gets robbed and stabbed, thats your consequence to a bad decision. and the struggle is her training and trying to use the force. idk what youre on about bro.
@@yodagaming1282 it's the difference between good and bad story telling. Woke story telling bombs at the box office for some very good reasons. I could recommend some of the great movies of the past as examples if that would help.
Could'nt say better.
I'm not watching Ahsoka but I have seen clips of *that* space battle sequence. I am now questioning reality. How did this end up being filmed and released?
The answer to all your questions is: GIRLBOSS!
The force is female. So is the writing staff.
These girl bosses are so badass that they knew nothing will happen to them. That's why they are so bored.
Plot Armor Rating: > 9K
The only time anything bad can ever happen to a female Star Wars character is when her actor tweets something
@@themulattomaker2602 welcome to YT shadow ban. It is totally better than evil Putin.
It's weird. I used to love Star Wars so much. Wanted Star Wars related stuff for every birthday, christmas, etc. but now my passion for it is just gone. When they talked about the head tentacle things I realized I still knew they were called lekku but just didn’t care anymore...
There will always be people who say you're not a real fan of something if you don't love everything with it's name slapped on to it.
To me though being a fan meabs realizing when something isn’t that thing. If they sell a cheap, rebottled liquor as Jack Daniels it doesn't mean you're not a fan if you call them out on it.
Sheep that just blindly consume product aren't true fans.
Amen.
Not having Disney + is a blessing. I get the drift of the Ahsoka story without watching it. Makes me wonder if the writers of the show are making it up as they go.
You know they are.
Velma is funny because of that one scene where she get ran over by a car. Ahsoka is frustrating when the show is not boring
The fight sequences are garbage too. Space is big, yet Ashoka felt the need to melee a fighter pilot for some reason.
The joy of a Disney female character. Consequences of their actions don't make sense, mistakes are rewarded and character traits only take hair dye to change!
The funniest joke I’ve read came from someone who said that Ahsoka is s well-written show 😂
I bet it was Thor skywalker
@@lumskull1084
Nah Thor Skywalker is no fool. It's probably Star Wars Theory.
Probably feloni or Kennedy.
Is it me or is the closest thing to stoicism they can approximate is smug?
Yeah, exactly. Basically every complex adult trait or emotion is interpreted by them as through an arrogant teenager’s eyes. They understand nothing, presume to “get it” effortlessly, have no experience, judge everything, worship their own petty and paltry egos, and think exaggeration is the same as emphasis. That’s how stoic becomes smug, wit becomes sarcasm, power becomes passive entitlement, intellect becomes snark, and so on and on and on (and on and on). The bottom line is these people should not be writing and in any sort of position to influence anything culturally - they are to culture what cancer is to life.
Seeing Beau on the podcast is a crossover event I never knew I needed
Spot on about the characters showing emotion to get the audience on your side. Star Trek had ship-shaking acting and consoles exploding all the time. More recently look at Top Gun Maverick when Maverick does the training run on his own. Everyone in the briefing room is suddenly amped up and eager to see what happens, and that feeling transfers to the viewer. Most brilliantly directed scene in the movie, imo.
That's the difference of Disney/Lucasfilm and Tom Cruise as a producer/actor. Cruise knows what the audience wants, and he so delivers. He knows that part of his success is the audience, his fans.
Where the former just shits on what the audience wants. I guess it was Einstein who did create a definition of madness: try the exact thing different times but expect different results.
Hera, the ACTUAL Hera from the Rebels animated series would have hopped into her ship with Chopper, her son, went to pick up her former crew members (Zeb and Kallus) and gone to help Ahsoka and Sabine whether she got resources or not. Hera was "the mother" in Rebels. She WOULD NOT let her "family" be hung out to dry.
Yea, or she would have taken one of her 2 Flagships or her 1 Capital ship along with one of her 3 fighter squadrons and Infantry unit...
What's the point of her being in charge of the Barma Battle Group if she isn't going to use her resources.
@@xLionsxxSmithyx Well, in theory, the Barma Battle Group has its own responsibilities. On the other hand, Hera herself seems to have lots of time on her hands, rather than directing whatever it is Barma is supposed to be doing...
From the bits and pieces I have seen of Rebels and the EU, Thrawn would actually be a very interesting character to adapt into the universe, which they did of course with Rebels and those scenes are still pretty decent, but at this point, I think that they (both the Empire in universe and Disney out of universe) need Thrawn because he is good for marketing and because he is the only antagonistic force that has more than two brain cells
Villain renowned for his intelligence and logic? I just don't see it working with current story group.
Characters are only as smart as the writers. These writers have shown that they aren’t very bright.
Thrawn was a tactical genius, and a male, disney is too incompetent and hateful to make him work
The disney "thrawn" really just remind me the quote from wraith squadron mercy kill: "What I don't get is this whole Grand Admiral Thrawn thing. Every hopped-up junior officer tries to be like him. Elegant, inscrutable... and an art lover. Being an art lover doesn't make you a genius, you know." Rebels' thrawn wasn't... bad, but I don't think he up to the standard of THE Thrawn. And I definitely don't have faith at whatever "thrawn" they are going to put in now.
@@henry_tsaiof course he wouldn’t, Rebels was a watered down clone wars
I love this show. Without it I couldn't have such great laughs with drinker and crew. Never stop, disney !!!
Every new show is the greatest show ever. Then it's more stupid and worse in the viewership. Can't wait for "Rey Skywalker"😂
It’s like the actors and characters know they have impenetrable plot armor so there is nothing to get excited about
Turbo lasers known to destroy whole cities just grazes their ship
I'm so happy that Reaper is part of this. His reviews are hilarious. Thanks @Drinker
Ironic that Mon Mothma was able to organize and manage the Rebel Alliance but not the New Republic which she brought back all the problems that plagued the Old Republic in the first place.
Remember the Drinker's words: "Every character is as smart and capable as much as the writer lets them to be."
Edit: I was typing this comment halfway through the vid and it actually ended with (almost) the words. Called for it!
Seeing her just makes me miss Andor.. I miss when a story was being told and not just world building
Considering how horrible, corrupt & incompetently stupid the New Republic is it casts a shadow over the whole OT. All those rebels that died, Alderaan blown up, all those lives gone to transform into this!? God, how I MISS the EU!!!
She did, in the real canon of Timothy Zahn.
A light sabre can cut a space ship in half, but does nothing to a human body.
They aren’t worried during the dog fight because it’s still all about Ahsoka and Sabine working through their relationship drama. During that whole fight the enemy was like a mild hindrance, interrupting their ongoing reconciliation.
The bit that spoiled the show for me was when it started!
Spacefighters vs stardestroyers = easy
Starfighters vs small freighters = hard
(One bit of star wars canon i've never gotten 😅)
Filoni has an obsession with wolves, not whales. Then again, he also has an obsession with Ahsoka and he probably pays her cosplayers to come back to his room every now and then...
I would too but with Hera cosplayers.
Yes, one day we'll have footage of this...
@@michaelcorrea4336 Eh, I've created a few twi'leks over the years that I'd rather see cosplayed instead. Reasons. =P
it seems that at some point we can't distinguish plot armor from other bad writing things. The apathy of the three main characters for the danger of the situation they're coming in is like the writers themselves got numb as they knew nothing bad would happen, and so, the dogfight was just for spetacule. Either that, or they really don't get the action/adventure genre.
Just to point out.. I actually counted how long it took Ashoka to get changed and leave , I counted from the second she left, to when she appeared…10 seconds, she went to find her gear, get changed an then get out the ship in 10 seconds..
The matrix had bullet time, Disney SW has girlboss time.
F1 pitstop crew times
So wait, Ahsoka will keep scenes of dead air around, but will cut out a suit up scene to save time?
What is wrong with these editors?!
@@strategicperson95 Men might find a scene of a girlboss changing clothes some sort of interesting and you can't have that
I gave up on Disney’s Star Wars when they fired Gina Carano. XD
The best part of the droid scanning the Eye of Sauron is a very basic sci-fi concept (shields) that usually don’t let your scans get very much detail of your ship.
"Turn on the Turbo lasers" should be a T-shirt with Mitch McConnells frozen face.
The guys didnt even get to mention the horrible drawn out training scene. The scene with Luke in the original was clearly meant to be a quick explanation of the force and how it could help you and be tapped into, improvised with what equipment was on hand to demonstrate. Then the Jedi temple in the prequels and Ahsoka's dojo have the same pilots helmet with blast shield as standard training equipment...
Edit: my bad they hit it in the longer open bar
Most things in this show are drawn out because they have to squeeze more seasons out of this flimsy plot.
Well, that's the same problem where Ben's desert hermit costume somehow became the standard outfit for Jedi everywhere. Because _of course_ the guy trying to lay low is going to dress up in a Jedi uniform!
Star Wars canon ends with III (we can include the Vader comics as a rare modern star wars W), these shows and movies, *even Clone Wars you apologists who can't see how thoroughly mediocre that series is* , are simply bad fanfics that occasionally capture a glimpse of the glory of what's possible within the IP
It's so embarrassing to call yourself a Star Wars fan these days, always gotta add the qualifier that I don't include Disney in that lol
*Sucks Shad doesn't get the appeal of Thrawn from Disney's crap treatment of the characcter, one of the most intimidating characters written and the perfect antagonist for the New Republic in the OG EU
"She'll kneel on his neck." Oh my god 😂😂😂
Mumbling like George, "Ok. Do it again only slower, less intense."
Anyone ever watch The Exspanse? If star wars had a sliver of realism that show has it would be PHENOMENAL
The writers think a "Brave" female would never show fear. They fail to comprehend that true bravery is when one is truly afraid yet continues to fight.
The Usopp experience
The only thing that can bring me back at this point is if they bring back padme in the torn white geonosis outfit
In the beginning of The Phantom Menace, Qui-Gon uses his lightsaber to burn the mechanicsm out of bulkhead doors by sticking it right in the center of the door until it melts.
Reaper crack's me up😅 You should invite him on every podcast 😂
I can't imagine watching anything from Disney unless I was getting paid. Thank you for your service.
Director: “Now do it slower and less intense”
The space battle could of been more intersting by setting it through a ship graveyard orbiting the planet. Instead we got "shields are at 10%"
*I’m NGL I hate how people mention* the “Filoniverse” like no - it’s meant to be *Star Wars* not some one guy’s obsession with his OC’s.. his Avengers style Star Wars film sounds absolutely horrible.. general audiences have struggled to grasp Ashoka - I can’t imagine how they’ll react to a movie with that much lore.
Ahsoka in the animated shows had more personality then the live action version.
in the books when there was a rumor that thrawn was coming back it nearly collapsed the entirety of the new republic out of fear
One point I see everyone overlook so far. How could a map that was made a few thousand years ago know where a certain person was going to be exiled in the future? How do our bad guys know where Thrawn ended up? If they knew the space squidwhales took him how do they know they took him to another galaxy and not somewhere else in their own galaxy, like the unknown regions or wild space? And why in the universe would space witches make a map solely based on space squidwhales migration lanes thousands of years ago and put it in a temple hidden behind a puzzle you need to figure out to get it?
They makers of this show likely think the bored, blank reactions make them look like strong girl bosses in the face of danger. Everything associated with Disney is utter trash.
The idea of having those suicide nuke droids EVERYEHERE in the galaxy would makes a great precedent for a galactic-wide Exterminatus - not even the most lunatic Inquisitors of the Imperium would think about that 🤣🤣🤣 tho it would make a great idea to reboot the Star Wars universe 🤔
Sabine is supposed to be a Mandolorian but she can't hit water if she fell out of a boat
sabine is the perfect genz she knows nothing and when she asks someone who knows it she gest angry while she get lectured ^^
Fans are definitely getting desperate saying this Ahsoka show is the best thing ever. After all I've heard and seen, it doesn't sound that much better than KeNOBi. Oh well.
They’re bored because they’re living in that video game where someone typed in the cheat code that meant the bad guys couldn’t ever deal damage, Here, the cheat code was the Epic Girl Boss card they played. We already saw with with the character who can’t even die with a lightsaber to the belly. Of course you’d be bored. Only a 12 year old thinks that’s fun. (Speaks volumes to the maturity of the people writing and directing these shows though)
In the original cannon you had to escape a planet's gravity well in order to jump to hyperspace. Dropping out of hyperspace at a good distance away from a gravity well would make sense when entering enemy territory.
Az said the guns were shooting silly string, which would explain a lot.