Drinker's Chasers - Kathleen Kennedy STILL Trying To Replace Indiana Jones
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- čas přidán 23. 06. 2023
- Somehow, despite the character's already terrible reception and staring down the barrel of one of the biggest flops in her company's history, Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy is still clinging to the belief that Phoebe Waller-Bridge's character Helena can replace Harrison Ford and become the new face of Indiana Jones.
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Let’s be honest, who cares if she replaces Indiana Jones? The franchise finished after the 3rd movie anyway!
leave your bubble
This exactly.
@@craigcj5953seems like it’s just you on this one…
@@craigcj5953yes you should leave your bubble a except Indiana Jones 5 is a flop
Every day I'm grateful to TLJ for teaching me how to stop caring about canon and the impact these terrible modern movies have on it.
Disney is mad that Harrison Ford owns the franchise and that it ends with him. This isn't Star Wars or Marvel where you can tell other stories. Indiana Jones is one of the last few franchises where the actor owns the character. Studios and executives hate that in this IP age.
pretty sure star wars died with Han
@@JoshuaKevinPerry Star Wars has many characters to make movies around. Han is just one of them. The same can't be said for Indiana Jones.
The smart thing would be to create another iconic character who could conceivably fit into the Indy-verse, maybe even give Indy a cameo or two in it to drive that point home. But that brings us back to Hollywood's biggest problem, which is a complete absence of creativity due to a politically driven brain drain.
@@equivalentexchangeisalie5726 It has Luke and it has Han and Vader. That's really it. The further Star Wars strays from that the less popular it will be.
@@theguybehindyou4762 If they could do that they wouldnt be making Indiana Jones with an 80 year old star in the first place, they'd be making something new and Ford would be in some age appropriate movie and doing an interview in a documentary about the whatever anniversary of INdiana Jones instead of trying to helm a movie that needs to make hundreds of millions to break even.
No one can truly replace Harrison Ford's Indiana Jones, he is way too iconic
90 year old still being Indiana Jones. Let the franchise die already. 😅
They can destroy him tho. Which they did.
I wonder what it would have been like with Tom Selleck in the originals like they wanted? I think still very good. Different but still good.
@@MikkoSimila Would be Indiana Bones by then. If you tell Mr Ford he'll be doing that he'll probably crash his plane on purpose.
@@6581punk Harrison Ford did that with Han Solo in Force Awakens. He was on a set with J.J. and was like: "Kill me. PLEASE! I WANT OUT!"
He also try same thing in Empire Strikes back with George Lucas and director Irvin Kreshner. But George simply said: "No."
She doesn't every pretend to hide her disdain for men lol.
Shouldn't there have been at least one pro-man march or movement by now? Even if only aimed at the innocent middle school boys or younger to try to make sure they have and want a place in society as they grow up to men?
The reason is simple, women don't like men as a category. If the guy isn't hot, rich, famous, or family then they aren't interested. All while the young men and boys are told women are nicer than us, more empathic than us, more refined and all forms of media (and many laws) tell us we should seek their approval and presence.
When this clown show bombs, she'll be blaming men for that too.😂😂
She's gotten "Banged and Shanged"/ "Dip and Dabbed" / Passed Around like a Smore at a Campfire by TOO Many Studio Execs to get to the Top; because we all know it DEFINITELY wasn't because of any sliver of Talent she possessed! What do you expect? She's Bitter Lol 😅😅😅
Why would she hide it? Modern Hollywood applauds that. One of the dangers of living in a bubble surrounded by sycophants is that there is no one to tell you when you're sticking your foot in your mouth.
Not disdain. More like envy and hatred.
Kathleen Kennedy: "Prepare for trouble!"
Phoebe Waller-Bridge: "And make it double!"
Fans: "Pikachu, thunderbolt, now!!!"
Movie bombs, idiots "Looks like we're blasting off again!!" goes flying into the dumpster which contains flames
@@superomegaprimemk2fans: Enola Gay! Nuke attack!
Team Rocket rides again.
To protect The Message from degradation. To unite consumers with our creation. To denounce the evils of society past. To extend the Woke to the point of farce.
LOL, or even triple )))
You will never be free until you accept it's not about money.
The bully doesn't want to break your toys because of money.
Indeed
In defense though, money is an apt representation of actual engagement/interest in a film or show. Every point they make about financial under-performance can be taken as a point about waning interest. What a bully actually wants is destroyed by people ignoring and shunning them.
@@Fe7Ace They obviously feel they can do without money, as long as they can cockblock anyone with actual talent from coming in and making anything better than they're willing to offer up.
Kathleen is not running things, that's Bob Iger. He just lets her say what she wants, but he will never make Phoebe's show because nobody will watch it.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p Bob Iger still
Part of the problem tho
KK is a gift that keeps giving.
Disney, please renew her contract, maker her CEO, pay her all the money to bring the mouse down.
The mouse is paid by the government to spread propaganda. It's not going down unless the masses stop consuming Hollywood movies outright.
LMAO
A gift that keeps on giving...like herpes.
But then it’ll ruin everything else even more
Disney: “Hold our overpriced glass of whine.”
Indiana Jones ended with the riding to the sunset scene in Last Crusade
Absolutely
Such an good ending to this epic trilogi
Or at least on the wedding in Crystal Skull.
💯💯💯
Based.
Smokey is like a service dog, trying to warn everyone about the bomb ahead, what a good boy
He also has the best comments, always.
"How does it feel to see your favourite franchises go down in flames?"
"Feels great" - Mr. Plinkett and Scientist Man.
Rich Evans said it I thought?
Wait no. Rich Evans asked the hard...or easy... question
Don't ask questions, just consume product.
Isn't Mr. Plinkett the hack who trashed the Prequels (muh midichlorians!) and praised TFA when it came out? Yeah, he's part of the problem, to say the least.
I think pretty much everyone praised TFA when it first came out. ...And then it became popular to bash it. Mary Sue
Great example: The Raid. Had a budget of 5 million and made 50 million at the box office and has gone down as one of the greatest martial arts film ever
Fun fact : They were going to hire the director of that movie for a Deathstoke standalone movie in 2017-18 but WB execs just wanted to copy MCU.
That's why they hired an MCU director as their own Kevin Feige.
@@hashira910*hired A GREAT DIRECTOR as their Kevin feige
@@mattiasilva1705 idk about that, his first movie that he was involved in which is The Flash just lost $300 million dollars.
And his past DCEU which was released during the pendamic alongwith Godzilla vs Kong was a huge flop not only at the box office but also on the HBO streaming service.
And also the first job he did when he came into power was to fire Henry Cavill.
Still salty the actors were in Star Wars movie but wasted as useless cameos
@@mattiasilva1705James Gunn is a good director at best, highly overrated. His first guardians was great, suicide squad and gotg 2 decent and gotg 3 was very mid. His earlier movies aren't masterpieces either.
5 grown men being surprised a dog moved was the funniest thing I've seen in a while
More interesting than the upcoming Disney shat
They'd rather comment on that than Hollywood's current output.
who says subverting your audience's expectations is a bad thing
I feel stupid for not realizing that the dog was Drinker’s.
Is Smokey a Greyhound?
Eric made the best point. We can't have good writing by committee. Everyone wants their hand in the cookie jar.
Exactly. Everyone wants a piece of it
Wasn't Indy created by a committee? There's audio of George Lucas, Spielberg, and others building the character and the story.
@@BillPeschel the difference is there was no agenda back then. The only thing they all wanted was to make a good movie. Now it's agenda first. Making an actual good movie is just an afterthought now by Disney.
@@BillPeschel That's more collaborative writing between colleagues who want each others opinion to build something great.
Current era committee writing is when you have someone write something, then another person re-writes it, then fifteen execs (who don't really understand the material) look at competing products and force elements from them into the script.
@@BillPeschel Not to mention, Lucas and Spielberg are actually creatives/artists. Kennedy has never been, Spielberg himself said he hired her for her organizational and scheduling skills. That's it.
If kathleen kennedy was transformed into physical manure she would at least then have some redeeming qualities
And congratulations you just made picture KK as a manure....😂😂
The image we should use to represent her in our vids from now on.
If she is fed to a lion, that can happen.
Bro. Manure can be a fertilizer to help plants grow. Kathleen Kennedy would be the equivalent of a plant disease that destroys even the most hardy trees.
Ye because shit used to be something at some point unlike KK.
I LOVE that Iger is saying the boycott of Indy 5 isn't a thing but if it IS that fans need to see the movie to give it a shot. It's like, No Bob, you're not getting money for this garbage.
Read "Don't Give Money To People Who HATE You" folks, and get out of the pop cult.
Edit: fans need to give it a shot is a really lame cope...
Yes, their reaction to the growing boycott clearly shows that they feel threatened by it; otherwise, they would ignore it...
If Disney would offer quality entertainment, there would be no issues.
If it flops Kathleen will just say, this is why we need a female lead because Harrison Ford can no longer carry a movie and go ahead and replace him with Phoebe.
Thats exactly what I was thinking the other day. It will be her excuse. Ford is too old, Indy is so old hat...literally...that Bridge needs to be the lead. And the idiots will let her do it, unless someone finally removes her.
Maybe she could but if this one flops, she will be less likely to make another one. Your scenario is possible but she would need to very desperate and given what she’s doing with Rey, I think you may be right.
No if it flips they will say it’s because their audience are sexist, transphobic and racist … and not mention the fact that they keep making terrible films that’s their audience don’t want to see.
She can do whatever she wants. It's not like Disney will fire her. Gotta let it burn to the ground. Shiet, I call it WNBA syndrome. Where you would rather have $1 than a ticket to see it.
But from what we understamd, Phoebe IS the lead in this movie.
Video ends at 2:40 when Smokey hears the name Kathleen Kennedy and just walks off set.
Drinker: "Why you lying on the floor?"
Smokey's "You don't have a monopoly on passing out on the floor in this house!" hangs silent but clear.
This is precisely the reason why Mutt was killed off off-screen
Well, that and most people didn't like him.
It was also the DUMBEST name for a character. Seriously, "MUTT"?! Like... why? Why would you name him this? And why would Marion have allowed him to be such a complete d-bag? I never cared for Lebeouf, but even if some other actor portrayed the role, it's like... hmmm... not a great addition to the adventure team. Then again, neither was Helena. 🙄 So, whatever. Bummer for Ke Huy Kwan (sp?).
I'd even rather see Kate Capshaw's character return. She played Willie BRILLIANTLY. Yes, the character was a narcissist, but they could have solidified a character arc for her. Willie MUST have become tougher thanks to Jones and her experiences in Pankot Palace. Oh well.
@@Novastar.SaberCombat I dunno, Temple of Doom just didn't feel like an Indy movie, but at the same time, I never liked that bitch with rabies from the first film either. I think Indy would have been better off just mentoring a younger adventurer or two without any mama drama since he is a teacher who is getting old and watching the world he knew change drastically.
Mutt is a nickname. He is named Henry Jones like his father.
With Mutt being another word for a dog, I assumed the writers were trying to create a link to Indy who also took his nickname from a dog.
Why they would choose a name that's usually used in a negative way (cross-breed/foolish) is beyond me.
In the 80's they made computer games based on movies.
Now they make movies based on computer games.
It tells you which industry is the significant one.
And the games are doing better
@@dcmastermindfirst9418Games are experiencing the same issues, if not worse.
@Shendue Lol bullshit.
Games are telling better stories and outselling movies 10 to 1.
The Witcher 3 just sold 50 million copies worldwide and is one of the BEST games ever.
💯💯💯💯👍. When the video game industry is doing better than the movie industry, yeah, it just shows how bad Hollywood has fallen.
With Video Games a consumer's decision is based upon spending several hours to 100's of hours or more. A Movie is a couple of hours of entertainment and done. Thus why Video Games are finding it harder to insert "the message" into their product, especially if it isn't a major brand release, most gamers will wait till reviewed by a source they trust before purchasing. Also game returns are a thing now too, thanks to Steam, EA and others. You can't very easily get a "return" after watching a terrible Movie.
Lol, even critical doggo couldn't tolerate the KK bullshit 😂
The indi franchise should have been passed to Chris Pratt 10 - 15 years ago. Harrison should have taken on Connery's role from Last Crusade and been a father teaching his adventurous son the family trade. They kind of tried this in Crystal Skull, but Shia was so miscast it was comical.
Agree with this, or just an actor who looked like he could hold his own in a fight. Shia is a fantastic actor but too short and certainly didn’t look like he could be the product of a union between Indy and Marion.
@@Rebekah_78 That's the result of too much manufacturing going into casting decisions. They pick who seems best known or will take the least money or something, even if it doesn't work with the story. Penny wise and pound foolish.
From everything I have read about KK she worked with Spielberg and Lucas two of the most successful movie makers out there. Apparently she was a producer but none of her ideas were considered because they were crap. Now she has been given the reigns and it's payback time. She is pushing all her ideas but it's tainted by her hatred of being sidelined all those years. It's not enough for her to just replace all the characters loved by the fans, she has to do the big Fyou and destroy them. Her hatred has ruined disney.
Be fair, _Disney_ has ruined Disney. Kennedy has ruined _Star Wars_ and _Indiana Jones,_ but she had nothing to do with Marvel or the "live-action" remakes....
She gave great sloppy toppy.
It’s telling to watch all the behind the scenes for those movies . She is NEVER shown , has no input . When she is it was doing some kind of task for them. Spielberg , knows, they know what she is doing . That’s why he snubbed her at the Indy premier …her hate and jealousy for them is obvious.
Spielberg rather famously observed that from the beginning of his association with her, KK's most consistent contribution to meetings was to butt in and interrupt whoever was speaking, killing their train of thought.
Woke ideology ruined the entertainment industry.
WHY on earth are people depressed about Pandora not being real?
That place is a death trap.
Like Australia on steroids, everything wants to eath/kill you.
@@DerpDerpDerpDerpDerpDerpDerp I think OP is a repost bot.
Hey, I'm sure there's somebody somewhere who's depressed about Australia not being real as well
Yep..there are some pretty sad people out there with very empty lives if they get depressed because Pandora is not real. I thought that at the time the first movie came out back in 2009...these people need to get out more. And get real.
Nah, I’m Australian, it’s all cool, better than bears and wolves and other shit tbh.
@@esquilax5563well I’m watching this at home in Sydney, I “think” I’m real lol.
I mean the big question is why is KK looking to put a middle aged sitcom actress at the head of a blockbuster action film. She hasn’t got experience and she’s only got around 15 years to learn the role before she gets too old for the roles. Couple that with the fact that her previous projects and personality tend to drive men away and only really appeal to women with the same mindset as her, and we get a very small audience who might be willing to see Bridget Jones and the movement against cultural appropriation
Well first off PW-B is 37 years old(so not middle age). But you are not wrong about the toll it will take on her body and not to mention that she is cinema poison.
Kathleen makes movies for herself and no one else. Rey and thisbitchwhosenameIforget are her self-inserts, like what Mindy Kaling did with Velma.
@@JustTooDamnHonest It's older than middle aged. Ford was old when he became an action star at 35 - and he's highly charismatic, handsome and can act.
It is weird, ignoring that no one wants a woman replacing Indy or any of these other iconic characters in the first place, you still gotta ask - why this woman? If you want her type than why not Emily Blunt or someone who as actually starred in movies? She's like the F grade Emily Blunt.What about her makes anyone think she can helm action movies? Seems insane business wise.
@@theguybehindyou4762 You are preaching to the choir my friend.
KK deserves some credit. Without the coffee she made, Spielberg wouldn't have directed so well
You mean the coffee she delivered. The machine (designed by a man) made it.
I can't believe Kathleen "Kath Hound" Kennedy has risen to the levels of success she has. So much so that George Licas trusted her. Did she put on a facade for decades?
Did she put on a facade
For
Decades?
To quote Macbeth: “Look like the innocent flower but be the serpent under it.”
Nah, she just spent years getting the coffee.
you missed the quotation marks around the word: success.
Lucas and Spielberg were playboys at the time and they liked their starlets young. My guess is Kennedy brought them more than just coffee. She probably procured for them.
In Hollywood a woman's only resource for getting to the top are other women and girls. It was a woman who arranged the meeting between comedian Margaret Cho and a film producer who attacked her. And the woman kept trying to get Cho to meet with him again, even after the assault.
Cho used the story in her monolgue "Casting Couch", its here on youtube. When the producer found out she was going to tell the story in her routine he bought a ticket and sat in the front row glaring at her the whole time.
She hid in her dressing room after the show and waited for the entire venue to completely empty before leaving. In an interview she mentioned it was a woman from her own management company that sold her out.
Tom Cruise totally gets what people want to see. I gotta give it to the guy. I may have mocked him for years for crazy beliefs and it's still ludicrous he's into Scientology but honestly, dude is solid as hell when it comes to filmmaking.
I'm sure Top Gun by KK would have seen him an old, broken bitter man who needs to learn to die so Diverse Young Pilots (TM) could take over and tell the military why it's bad
Before Kathleen Kennedy leaves Lucasfilm, she should make a Howard the Duck sequel where Howard is outclassed by a new female character who then assumes the name Howard the Duck despite being neither male nor a duck. I mean, it's literally the only property where she hasn't.
She will stay at Lucasfilm to the very end
She'll make Howard the Cuck.
I have some inside info from Lucasfilm directly: Phoebe Waller Bridge's Indiana Jones WILL be starting production right after Rian Johnson's Star Wars trilogy is completed. You heard it here first people.
So it’s never gonna happen then lol
So basically it will never be made.
How on earth can Phoebe Waller Bridge be replacing Harison Ford as Indiana Jones and be producing the Lara Croft series at the sametime, this just doesnt make any sense.
Soooo about half past never?
@@Chloe1sylvester1234 It will be for later and it will never happen for PH-W is going to destroy Lara Croft in the process and everyone knows that Phoebe is afraid of fictional female characters.
What would you even name a new movie with Walller-Bridge? "INDIANA JONES (s' goddaughter) and the returning of the british museum to rightful indigenous peoples around the world"?
Indiana Jones cannot be always so self confident. He often makes errors and is sometimes clumsy. However he is persistent and has good intentions that make you admire him. He's not perfect, but he's the perfect character.
Howdy Drinker. Long time viewer, but I don't often comment.
I was one of those viewers of the original film who suffered from "Pandora Fever" or whatever they started calling it, before I even knew it was a thing people were feeling.
For the time, the visuals of the film were such a stunning breakthrough, which only served to draw many of us into the film even further.
For myself, the beautiful, soft neon glows of Pandora at night which contrasted with the lush greenery and amazing scenery of waterfalls and trees bigger than the Chrysler building only served to remind me that the bulk of the places I have/had access to were ugly, industrial brown and grey locations. Where people are constantly suspicious of each other and friendliness is out the window. A world where I spend a full third of my life in school, learning very little of use, only to then be expected to live another third of my life slaving away to earn money to exist (barely) so that way I can finally retire when I'm too old, broken down and tired to do the things I wanted to when I was young.
Avatar was a clear break from the depressing life I knew. I was invested in the concept of being able to slip into a new identity, away from the things holding me back (for the mc it was his paraplegia holding him back) and just start over fresh in what would seem to be a beautiful, idyllic world where I'm not contrained by dull brick and mortar and cubicles for the rest of my life.
So yeah, having to exit the theatre after experiencing such a lightning in a bottle phenomenon left me feeling like my own life was lacking something critical.
But that didn't make me a superfan of the movie. I do like it, but I wasn't tempted to see this decade+ too late sequel. And as for the depression I felt?
I got over it.
Avatar's only a good movie in terms of being a first impression, and that's it. It's the Nickleback of the film industry.
I blame Harrison Ford. He signed up for this and the previous film knowing full well they would be pale imitations of the original three. If Ford had done the honorable thing and retired, we would all have respected his position. As it stands now Ford has systematically allowed all his most iconic roles to be deconstructed and then reconstructed into zombie characters that bear no resemblance to the originals.
I don’t blame him. He’s helping take down Disney finances, and he’s getting a hefty profit from it
Hey! That marijuana doesn't buy itself!
Agreed. Where did people get the idea that the characters they like were ever more than a paycheck to him? He was publicly grousing about Han Solo even before the second _Star Wars_ film was made...
@@_XR40_yeah...
Even though there's been reboots, they can still bring him in for one more Jack Ryan, where his incompetence and old age almost let the big bad Russians/neonazis win and destroy America, if it wasn't for this young diverse female operative that pushes him around, telling him what to do.
I was watching the Back to the Future blu ray set recently, and good ol' KK is one of the interviewees. This was the 25th anniversary set, released in 2010, which means these interviews were conducted in 2009-10. And even at that time, she couldn't speak in anything but those bland, hollow, corporate terms about "storytelling" and "legacy" and "impact." She had nothing of substance to say 13-14 years ago, and she still doesn't. The problem is now, she's in charge of two of the biggest franchises in movie history.
And as for Fleabag Cunt, at least it could be worse. They were grooming Lena Dunham to do the same thing Fleabag Cunt is doing now ten years ago, but at least Fleabag Cunt is easy on the eyes.
They could call it Fleabag Jones and the Eternal Dumpster fire
💯💯💯
The bottom line that Speiberg or Lucas are not involved, tells you how BAD this upcoming Dial of Disaster will tank!
Spielberg is still producer…hands on?
@@TheGava4 On paper...
@@user-xx6vy9ri8pUNBREADED!
I love how everyone just kinda of rolls with Smokey having his own camera and everything...its cute and hilarious.
They might as well have a still photo, he never wakes up lol.
Personally, I would pay money to see Fleabag in a fist fight against Pat Roach's big German mechanic 😁
She would easily beat him by accusing of harrasment.
@@Indians-dl3to She can't do that after the German mechanic gives her a deep shave by the airplane's rotor blades.
Realistically, she'd run screaming to the less toxic looking pilot for help, only to be shot by him.
The first movie was "Dances With Smurfs" and the second movie was "Whalers On The Moon"
first movie was ferngully didnt watch the second one and probably wont
Damn, this woman doesn’t give up! 🙄
Smokey has nightmare and wakes up, traveling to his dad asking for pets of comfort before feeling safe once more and falling asleep. Better story and character development from a pet on livestream than all of D+.
One thing that Eric was really spot-on about and has been discussing in his own podcasts is how the current state of the industry has left the door wide open for independent filmmakers to provide a substantive alternative product.
Where I think the big hurdle is here, is that it won't be like the early 90s when Miramax was largely filling that niche, because there isn't anyone with the same connections and ruthlessness that the Weinstein brothers and Harvey in particular possessed.
You guys shouldn't forget the success of John Wick
Nobody was pretty popular too.
They must’ve forgotten since only the first one was good…
@@deadschooled yes you have that opinion. Fair play to you. My point was more to do with making a bloody good film. Also Peter Dinklage last film. The photography is sheer genius. Like looking at masterpieces.
Kathleen must have some crazy blackmail tapes.
Why are the studios creating characters that only relate to a segment of the population that has no interest in going to the theatre to see them?
Because KK makes movies for HER, to fulfill her fantasies, she doesn’t give a fuck about the audience.
They seem to think that if they make movies about people who hate movies, people who hate movies will pay to see them - That is the level of logic they're using...
Look up BlackRock and ESGs. These people don't get their money from the box office anymore.
As a Brit, I've been bombarded with what an absolute genius Phoebe Waller-bridge is. To me , she's flavour of the month. She was lauded for the minor role she played in (re)writing the last bond film and the quite frankly overrated "Fleabag". She is Hollywood's flavour of the month. Kathleen Kennedy is the absolute worst thing to happen to lucasfilm, and yet again she has buggered another film/tv show up. Even Steven Spielberg has spoken our against her after she interfered in this film with the ridiculous back story for Phoebe in order to set her up for a solo film, awful. Btw Waller-bridge is heading the "Tomb Raider" franchise apparently.
And NTTD doesn’t get the credit it deserves for being awful.
Indiana Jones will always live on as a true hero and legend in our hearts and memories, in movies 1, 2, 3. The rest don't exist.
Before getting excited about the game industry, remember that Last of Us 2 was given a perfect 10/10 gaming score for ticking off every required diversity box.
Yes. Explain the Diversity Box please...
more and more i find myself watching the old tv shows i watched growing up in the 70s and 80s, and most of that stuff was ALREADY old and in syndication at that time. but i havent watched so much of it in so long that its actually kind of new to me.
personally i actually miss just plain old Dramas, i dont need franchises and i dont love non stop action films the way i did in my youth. i want to watch films that actually leave me feeling something, a character i like and im invested in and i have empathy for what they are going through. i want to see some of my own real life struggles in them and i want to see them overcome those struggles.
KK was involved over 30 years making these franchises and always fantasised she was the hero. Since she got her hands on Star Wars and the Me Too movement plus the rise of toxic feminism, she saw her chance, and now she wants to replace all our heroes with fantasy versions of HER.
"toxic feminism" is a redundancy.
You’re probably spot on. I seriously doubt she ever watched Star Wars, though. Those were action movies for guys and most females only liked Episode VI because the Ewoks were “cute”. She never had a clue as to what Star Wars was about or why it was successful.
Some characters can never be replaced, just let it go ffs
They couldn't figure out how to do a version of Rocky's Creed.
their best bet was to turn to another franchise for exploration-adventure. Uncharted had the potential to be the spiritual successor with a new young hero for a while if only they cared enough about it.
At best using them as source of inspiration for new ones. It worked so well with both early Lara croft (and even the remake one in the very first game I dare to say) and Nathan drake.
@@mattiasilva1705 is there anything unique to any of these 'universes"? Star Wars is a special Universe with a special set of rules... Indiana Jones without Indiana Jones is just the World with a little bit of super-generic magic (Not even Copyright-worthy, it wouldn't be unique enough to be copyrighted). Tomb Raider, Uncharted and IJ are carbon clones with no real value, they can be ripped off and feel just as original as the source because there is nothing special to any of them EXCEPT the characters themselves - Disney has ruined Laura and Indiana.
Just as Indy's dad said "let go of it" the thing he searched for his whole life- now THATS strong
i remember seeing The Last Crusade in the Guildford Odeon sat between my Dad and Nan. I had seen Raiders for the first time with my Dad and Temple of Doom at the cinema with my Nan. Very special memory. My nan died in 94 and was spared the Crystal Skull, my father died in March and was spared the knowledge of what KK has done to fuckin Indiana Jones, loool. Small mercies.
Despite it's flaws, the ending is cool, when Indiana, after waking up in his New York apartment, put on the Fedora, and reflected "this hat is perfect" to which fleabag responded "it will be once it fits a woman" and then she took the hat, put it on and said "now it's perfect". Indy tried to protest so she aimed a machine gun at him, pointed to her eyes and said "look at me, look at me, I'm Indiana now" and then with the hat and the machine gun went to kill all the nazis in the multiverse, embarrassing the all male Inglorious Basterds, the Saving Private Ryan crew, and every male in every WW2 movie as well...
“We knew that Indiana Jones would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried. Most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Twitterverse scripture, the Elon-Musknew; Kathleen Kennedy is trying to persuade the CEO that she should do her duty, and to impress Papa Bob, takes on her multi-armed form and says, 'Now I am become Death, the destroyer of Franchises.'"
― J. Robert Oppenheimer 2023 (probably)
i have had these thoughts before, i turned 51 last weekend. and as a kid back in the 80s i remember for years wishing more Star Wars and Indiana Hones films would be made, and then now that they are being made or have been made "putting the awful qualify of them aside". you just think well i dont care now, i wanted to see them when i was 16 or 20 not in my mid 50s or my 60s and up. one one hand i sort of feel like ok go ahead and let the next generation have it, go ahead and change it and let it be theirs now. on the other hand i am like well no this was ours, give them something new to be theirs. my wanting to leave my legacy to them is not helped any by how many of them seem to hate me and my generation and absolutely DESPISE my parents generation. just as my parents generation disliked their parents generation, and that generation was AMAZING! these younger generations can have all their awful failed diverse franchises, thats what they asked for. and i will just keep the wonderful apparently non PC franchises of my youth. these kids find Sixteen Candles and Friends offensive.
A problem is, they don't want their own. That, takes too much work. It means taking risks. It means a possible failure, that they can't abide by. Because it means not enough people want to see their silly ideas and messaging. They'd rather take over an established IP, and stand on the shoulders of those who came before them. The ones who took risks, large risks to make their visions come true. Sacrificing, often times everything to make it happen. The original creators, wanted people to have a rollicking good time at their movies, it's partially why they became blockbusters. People would go see them over and over.
There was no constant messaging. No in your face messages telling how horrible you , the paying customer are. People want to be entertained, to have a distraction, from the craziness they deal with every day. Until movies, or other types of entertainment become entertaining again, those who are lazy, & narcissistic, will not see their movies make the amounts of money as they formerly did
what always amazes me most is, and this seems like an obvious fact that EVERYONE knows. but the whole point if the films and shows is ESCAPISM! yet these younger writers and people involved in these shows seem completely oblivious to this fact, they seem to not understand the whole reason people watch these things is to temporally get AWAY from the messaging that is so prevalent and combative and divisive all day in your face everywhere else. i cannot fathom how they seem to not get this basic fact.
It’s about destroying things you like, out of hate.
@@newwavepop I think it was Churchill who said "A fanatic is someone who can't change their mind, and won't change the subject."
These people can't accept that anyone has opinions that disagree with their own. Can't accept that they might be wrong in any way, and because they're always right and we're always wrong, we need to be bashed over the head with their beliefs all the time until we finally see the error of our ways.
I'd like to see Hollywood get some real competition, whether it's from independents or foreign studios. That can only make entertainment better.
Helena's not listed with a last name on IMDB. The greatest thing ever would be in the very last scene, Helena is burying Indy's whip in the dirt when someone asks who she is, raising her own whip, she looks at the passer by and says, "I'm Helana... Helana Jones."
It's interesting that at the primary school I work at one of the displays is about old mangas and there is nothing to do with comic books whatsoever they aren't even mentioned.
Mangas are comic books
_"Next order of business: Rian Johnson's Vice Admiral Holdo prequel trilogy, because what Star Wars is missing is office politics."_
- Kathleen Kennedy
Episode 1: Harrasment! Vice Admiral Holdo has been fired from the Rebel Alliance and is serving 49 consecutive life sentences for sexual harrasment. Meanwhile, New Vice Admiral Vajajay is transforming the galaxy into and bringing peace with her brilliant war skills.
*having the main character of named series playing second fiddle to a new OC, even if said character is a woman*
Well, at least I can appreciate the consistency
Between this film and Friends we have discovered people called Phoebe are annoying and should be ostracised immediately
All modern women are like that, without realizing that dudes have been putting up with them being annoying this whole time. At least when they are pre-wall. Post wall, ain't no one staying around to listen to that shyte.
@@meddlingmage23
ALL women? My dude, fat old cap. Maybe a lot, but not most. Go out and ACTUALLY talk to some, you’ll find that most are just as disgusted by this shit as we are.
@@meddlingmage23no one should put up with that shite, not even if she's 22 and gorgeous...
@@marbellaotaiza801 no one should, but dudes will do it to get their dick wet.
@@marbellaotaiza801 Amen.
Indianitia Jones: the entitled delusions of feminism...
Not even morbid curiosity will have me handing over my hard-earned cash to Lucasfilm for this one.
Same here, fuck Kathleen Kennedy.
The word we used to use for "bubble" is "delusion".
There already was a sequel to The Last Crusade, it's called The Mummy starring Brenden Frasier
But like real talk, all is not lost, yeah I'm pissed they killed Indy's son and had him divorce Marion, but I'm not to sure how many people liked the Mutt character anyway, but the way things are not all lost, one last person KK forgot about killing off, one person who could still helm the Indy franchise back to it's old glory, Short Round! I always saw Short Round taking up Indy's mantle before Crystal Skull came out, and Ke Huy Quan just got his big break with everything everywhere all at once, I have no doubt he could bring back the Indy franchise in a thematically fulfilling way
They could replace Indiana Jones quite easily...all they had to do is create a good inovative character in its own movie...but i guess its too hard for holywood
Anyone would do that would just write an original movie, they wouldnt waste their time creating Indiana Jones for Disney and get locked into a contract where they're work is overseen be Kennedy and they have a bunch of demands as to what they have to do
you know its funny, National Treasure is property of Disney and it's about the closest you can get to a Indiana Jones movie
Famously, producer-director ROGER CORMAN only ever lost money on ONE film, the socially-conscious "THE INTRUDER". And he promised he'd never do that again. It's nuts, for many years, a lot of people used to dismiss Corman because his films were LOW-BUDGET. But over the last couple decades, he's really become one of my favorite people in Hollywood. This year I upgraded all of the AIP "Poe" films from the 60s to Blu-Ray (after putting up with 40-year-old self-recorded tapes I got off UHF channels or TCM)... and I'm LOVING it.
I blame "The Force Awakens". Because that was a financial success back in 2015, Lucasfilm took the wrong lesson from it: they can take a dump on the fan favorite characters, bring in new characters that no one cares about, and still make a ton of money.
I think Rise Of Skywalker
Was the worst but yeah, Force Awakens wasn’t a good movie either. It was a C- at best
That is when Mary Sue Palpatine was introduced 😩
Let's be very honest with the facts.
*WHAT'S THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH HOLLYWOOD??*
A) Their product aka movies sucks.
B) Their scripts are poorly written. Because it's bloated to fill time. A very well written, tighten script should be within 70 - 100 minutes long.
*Example:* In the Golden Days of Hollywood (1970's - 1980's). Movies were under 2 hrs. Why?? Theaters back in the day had 1 to 5 screens. Hollywood didn't need to produced hundred movies to fill 20 screens. Back in the day Hollywood made blockbusters for the start of summer while the rest of the year they made the smaller budget films that made profits to fiance their summer blockbusters. Today, it's the other way around. Hollywood makes blockbusters to fiance the smaller budget films that no one knows about because of the blockbuster noise.
Hollywood stars are dead. Because Hollywood is dying.
Hollyweird was always weird. Good bye!
Love that you guys mentioned it. People will find their entertainment even if they have to make themselves.
ya know the A-Team intro fromthe 80s, its so relevant to my interests
All excellent comments on Hollywood and it's industry. One aspect of the Hollywood problem today that wasn't mentioned (though Eric touches on it) is that approximately half of all the people employed in the Hollywood industry are accountants. And they aren't cheap. As a result, possibly, this is why Hollywood likes to go after big tent pole movies because, even though the final percentage margin is about the same as a successful smaller film, the total $$ brought in is a lot more (which helps pay for all the creative accountants to screw over as many stake holders as possible). The "pie" of a movie has to be big enough to cover that. It's a diseased industry. And not just creatively, but in terms of just doing business, it's quite broken.
When I worked in Hollywood a production accountant who worked in the industry for 20+ years said that on average below the line workers accounted for about 5% of the budget. That includes from early pre-production to final post long after shooting. Just about everything else went to above the line and (especially now) SFX. A friend of mine who is a compositor in digital effects said that one movie he worked on where every single frame of the movie went through some sort of FX handling had a smaller SFX budget than Johnny Depp's salary. The guilds and unions are not why movies cost so much - it's the incredibly greedy Democrat supporting above the line individuals. You'd be surprised at how small the minimums are for actors, editors, and the 100-150 set personnel really are compared to what the top 5-10 paid individuals are paid.
When I left the industry in '08 I was union minimum $30 hour. Respectable but not money your going to buy a house on in Los Angeles. You did make money because of all the overtime you worked. Days would average 14-16 hours a day. For all that all our payroll still was typically around 5% of the total production budget. That $30/hr was significantly less than what the same jobs paid in the '70s accounting for inflation.
Hollywood is so costly and failing because of unbridled greed, politics and unprecedented levels of incompetence at the top.
What is it with PWB and Harrison Ford? In Solo she became the secret AI that made his iconic spaceship work, ND here she's replacing him completely. Obssessed much?
i agree with everything, having a very very very low budget makes it too where you have to rely on the story and the writing more as well as the cinematography and actors
it makes me so mad when me and my crew put in hours of thought in how to make a scene happen without having the money that most studios do and then seeing a 200 Million dollar movie that doesn’t remotely do that at all
we always tell eachother imagine if we had like 1/200th of the money they had imagine what we could accomplish
If I had to continue the Indiana Jones franchise and have to set it up to be continued after with Indy himself retiring, I would have had Harrison Ford in the same role Sean Connery was in the original Indiana Jones Trilogy: the aged mentor who keeps his cool through all the wacky things going on because he has been through this before and its nothing new to him.
You could have the new torchbearer be someone from prior films, like Short Round, or if you are going for a brand new character you can have them start out the arrogant hotshot and be humbled over the course of the adventure. Dropping the same lessons Indy learned during his prior adventures: some relics belong in a museum, some relics should stay buried and never see the light of day, some relics are not worth dying for, and relics should be kept out of the hands of those who would abuse them.
Sure it is basically using the first three movies as a formula blueprint and changing role positions a bit so that Harrison Ford would pass on the torch instead of abuse his body trying to be the action star he simply is not anymore, but it is a way to setup a means of carrying the torch forward and passing it on endlessly. You just need to keep thinking up interesting relics to hunt.
Just have to remember that even if the new torchbearer is female or not that they have to face adversity and it cannot be completely smooth sailing for them. We root for the underdog after all.
Avatar’s cultural impact is that it made my brother puke in a movie theatre as he was walking down the steps to get to the bathroom
Motion sickness? Why would he go to 3D movie in this case?
😂😂.
"Women aren't real."
-Abraham Lincoln
😅
Morbius had bigger cultural impact than Avatar
That’s because Morbius is one of the movies of all time
@@thehoerscorral8565 Jokes aside. The movie had such an impact on pop culture that people created a new type of meme now with the "I love the part when X said "it's X-ing time" and proceeded go X all over them" and most of the people never saw the movie. It's the exact opposite of Avatar
@@joaocarvalho6336Morbius is just the modern day version of "The Room." It's so bad it's good.
Jezzus, Eric looked like his audio wasn't even working!
I can't believe my eyes to see these crazy women's doings... How could they be so self-righteous... Why don't they start their own endeavour and stop destroying and messing up things? Oh they are so hateful and resentful...
Behind some good men there's a woman who should have just stayed there.
Preach
"Behind every great man, there's a woman - Pushing, and pushing..." Don't even remember whose joke that was. Might have been Jack Benny or George Burns...
Has she not been fired yet?
The Critical Doggo and Jedi Brooks’ cat were great consultants on this. Brooks’ might need to give his cat their own camera too in a future Chasers ep. Totally agree with the points made and really appreciate the thoughtful deconstruction of WTF is costing so much money during film production. Deadpool was a great example of a fantastic film made on a small budget. It can be done.
Given the many poor storylines in recent films and shows, we really do need good writers. What we need less of is corporate oversight.
POOR STORY LINES IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT...THE STORIES SUCK,,,IN MANY HOLLYWOOD FILMS TODAY AND THEY RUIN THE HEROS. This cant Last
. Holly weird -/. Disney / D C/Marvel - Studios will Go Broke....SOON
Movie Goers- Had ENOUGH WOKE -Far Left-Gender Equality
Far Left --Politics .man hating and Feminist BULLSHIT in FILMS !
There are good writers out there. They just aren't allowed to work in Hollywood or at the beeb anymore. They're busy making critical content for the internet. ;)
I saw avatar toys the other day at a toy sale. It was the only time I remember seeing them. They had sets of the navi characters and humans, creatures etc. I can't see many people buying them
Mark my words, Dead Reckoning will be the biggest film of the year.
And that is a film I'm looking forward to, I predict it will crush Indi 5 by a wide margin and the media will have a meltdown because they are desperate to promote the agenda and Mission Impossible goes against that agenda as it has a strong male lead and doesn't make him look bad to promote the female characters!!
Marked.
Don't discount Barbie and Oppenheimer.
Dead Reckoning, Oppenheimer, Five Nights At Freddy's and Alien:Romulus will be my only trips to the cinema for the next two years. Everything else looks about as worthy of my time as watching paint dry.
$2.32 billion box-office for Avatar 2.
And in addition to adjusting for inflation to determine how much money different movies have taken in, it would also be nice to know how much theaters have increased their own ticket prices, over time.
In the old White Wolf rpg "Mage: The Acension" there was a category of magi called "Marauders" -- they had become so unhinged due to the revelation that magic was real and reality was malleable that they no longer fit into the "reality paradigm" of the real world and could do all sorts of insane magical feats without any pushback from reality...because the pushback would hit everyone else around them. Normal magi had to act subtly or the collective disbelief of humanity would smack them down catastrophically, but Marauders could just do whatever insane thing they liked, with everyone else having to clean up after their messes. But in the end, their madness always eventually caused reality to kick them out of existence... That's Kathleen Kennedy at this point.
Something Eric said about too many people wanting a piece of the pie.
Paramount put up the first episode of season 1 of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds for free not so long ago. The thing I noticed about the show most was in the opening credits. I said out loud, "How many producers??" It felt, should've timed it, like the entire opening credits roll length was about 1/4 producers & executive producers. How can anything need that many exec producers/producers?
Btw, the show itself was like many people have said. It was ok. Nothing amazing. Nothing terrible. C+/B- territory. It offended the trek nerd in me a few too many times. The story was like one of the 'ok but forgettable' episodes of TNG or DS9. Certainly not the opening episode of a new show. I'd expect more than what we got.
Being named a producer is a scheme since producers get huge paydays. That's Secret Hideout (or whatever the production company is) sucking money from Paramount/CBS to pay to their executives, rather than spending on the show itself.
I’ve noticed that also. Recently enjoyed watching an episode of season 1 Get Smart. One producer, one director. A lot shorter credit role. Is that part of why Hollywood is so slow getting movies & shows done ? Look at Aquaman for example. Aquaman 2 should have been in theaters within a year, or less, of Aquaman. 16 months after Aquaman premiered at the very most. When the popularity and excitement were still high. Now ? I think it’s the bloated staffing and also excessive CGI (dependence on CGI) being used. Along with their pretentiousness. They think they’re producing great stuff when they’re producing banal silliness.
LoL, when we catch one starting, my dad counts the producers at the intro of any given law and order (SVU) rerun. Record is sixteen.
Also, so giving these people, who hate star trek fans, your money. Haven't you got enough with "Picard" and diverse female space Jesus?
@@marbellaotaiza801 I'd have to go back and count them tbh. I suspect it wasn't far off 16!
"Paramount put up the first episode of season 1 of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds **for free** not so long ago."
They got no money from me. 😉
Star Trek Discovery had 21 credited producers.
I don't understand why people love SNW so much. It's better than Discovery and the first two seasons of Picard but then again pretty much anything is. It would be nice if Paramount would stop making prequals that ignore previous canon. I'd also like to see a professional crew again.
I like Avatar. What I like more about it over the 9ft tall blue people is the fact it's set in the Aliens Universe.
I think the only reason it's not talked about more is the people suffering from Pandora depression are so fkn insufferable there is no way to talk about it without them showing up and depressing everyone else.
Great chat, guys; thank you all. I absolutely agree with Eric: this is a great opportunity for independent creators. In the past, we could rely on "Hollywood", and established media organisations, to consistently deliver mediocre to great entertainment. These days, most of the offerings don't even meet mediocre. Once in a blue moon, they allow showrunners free reign to do something interesting, and we get diamonds in the rough like Andor or Picard, S3 ... but those gems are short lived, and emphasise the poor quality of everything else. Yet, every day, I watch content on CZcams that is more entertaining than the hundred-million dollar dumpster fires Disney releases ad nauseum. I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't need perfect graphics and expensive special effects; give me interesting characters and a decent story, and I'm all in. The Raid and Dread are perfect examples: it's basically the same simple story: the Raid has great martial arts, while Dread has a few gimmicks, a beloved IP given a bit of respect, and Karl Urban (and a bizarre, inexplicable, and much appreciated tribute to Snuff Box), but they're both great, beloved, and endlessly rewatchable movies. (Production costs: The Raid, just over $1 million, Dredd, about $50 million).
Tom Cruise is very intelligently preserving his legacy as the greatest action hero of his generation.
I can’t wait for him to dominate another summer at the box office.
CRINGE
No problem at all. We’ll sit back, not go see the new Disneyana Jones movie and enjoy the fact that, when enough fans reject this garbage, the result will be Disney losing another 150-200 million dollars. We’ll smother it very quickly and it won’t cost any of us a dime. Then, we’ll repeat this process and over again for every other movie they make to punish them for their insolence. Let’s just see how much money they can stomach losing. Bring it on Karen Kennedy…🍿
I like how CZcams subtitles call Mauler as MAHLER - what a honour :) !
"Ramen noodle" as a tag, is awesome! Thanks, Gary!
Ignoring the obvious fact that no one wants a girl boss replacing Indiana Jones in the first place and whoever it was it would fail, you've still gotta ask - why Phoebe Waller-Bridge? If you were gonna go this route wouldn't it make sense to get a woman who was at least some kind of known quanitity as far as helming a movie as the star instead of being an uncharismatic pimple of a woman who is instantly annoying?
Like if your casting for type, why not Emily Blunt or someone like that? Seems like Waller Bridge is the D grade Emily Blunt. Even the casting of Rey in Star Wars makes more sense than this - yes the character sucked but you look at the actress, she's reasonably attractive and likeable (if not overly charismatic) - wheras with Waller Bridge it's like why? Who thinks this woman can be an action star in movies with a majority male fanbase?
Rey was plain at best.
@@theguybehindyou4762 The character, the actress is reasonably attractive but perhaps blande. But if that's plain at best then what's Waller Bridge?
Because Kathleen Kennedy hates men. She destroyed and replaced every lead male character in every franchise she touched. Having a hot woman play the lead female character like Angelina Jolie as Lara Croft would be anathema to KK because that might actually appeal to men. She's a despicable piece of shit with serious misandry issues.
Because Kathleen is deluded of reality.
Exactly but we live in Bizarro World now.
God, I hope they sell Lucasfilm back to George Lucas.
Thank you for the review so I can remember Indy the way he was
My gal and I have been referring to the Avatar sequel as :
Avatar 2: Mostly Water
would like to hear more input from jedi and eric.
get all the participants participating.