Drinker's Chasers - Star Wars: A Franchise Divided
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- čas přidán 24. 08. 2023
- Between Kathleen Kennedy's attempts to force more Rey Palpatine movies on us, Jon Favreau's Mandoverse and now Dave Filoni doing everthing he can to work his Clone Wars and Rebels characters into Star Wars, it feels like a franchise with three different factions vying for control.
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I remember the days when the fandom was divided between OT fans and prequel fans. They seem like the good old days now.
Soooo true. I love the OT and Revenge Of The Sith tho
Good times, at least back then it was just nerds vs other nerds, not nerds vs counter culturalists who never actually liked star wars before 2017 and are now pretending this is its peak
Because the fandom is not divided it is gone! Nobody likes the d trilogy or any of the crap they are making.
*The worst thing to happen to a franchise* is for it to have a fractured fan base… at least the MCU fans just want good movies again - Star Wars and DC? They’ve got Snyder cultists, Prequel fans, Andor fans, Nolan Fans, Favreau fans, Filoni fans - it’s a mess to have a sub group of fans that all want something different
The mostly-uniting of those two factions is a grand achievement.
Guess a common enemy will do that.
It’s not just that they lost the male Star Wars fans, but they lost all the female ones too. They gambled that they’d keep a good portion of the actual fans on trying to rake in new ones and that’s the failure.
Yeah, fans will stay through hard times for a while, it’s the „sunk cost fallacy“. But that will not last forever, at some point even the most hardcore fans will go. And what people at Disney forgot as well, is that once you ruined it completely for the fans, the fans deeper engagement with the canon will block them from giving the post ruin stuff a chance. Add on top of that the fact that hype is usually created by fans, not by normies and Disney is facing the perfect storm of taking fans for dumb sheeple.
No, they are agents of the Iluminati. Their goal is genders war which will lead to AI compagnons and depopulation. They just want men and women to hate each other, they are not doing it for entertaining anyone.
The opposite of love is apthiphy.
No.. its that they lost the males.
Just like the male fans, the female fans liked Star Wars for what it was. They’re obviously not going to appreciate you changing it just because you claim that you’re doing it for them.
As a woman, Han Solo is my favorite character since 1977. Rey is stupid. They aren’t just alienating men, but everyone.
rey is everything, rey is everyone. she will replace everything in star wars
Completely agree! Always loved Han! ♥️
I always liked Leia. She’s fierce, but it’s because she’s trying to protect people she cares about. She’s tenacious, intelligent, brave, and not obsessed with herself.
@@elitegamer8351God Himself should just intervene and destroy everything, then create an entirely new Star Wars universe...😀
@@evertonporter7887 God? You mean rey. She is everything. Better than everyone. Makes everything pointless as she is the best. She is the best replacement for useless characters like Luke, Han, Vader, Leia, Sheev. I'm glad they all died so rey could replace them.
Heir to the Empire without Luke, Leia, Han, Mon Mothma, and Akbar is not Heir to the Empire. Don't suppport usurpers. Don't support pilfering thieves. Don't support scum who rob the graves of the properties they ended.
It's not even Heir to The Empire. Filoni just plucked Thrawn out of an amazing storyline to be a vehicle for his own characters.
You can say that for all of Star Wars. It's just an animated corpse, akin to Weekend at Bernie's.
I fear what the hack will do to my beloved Old Republic era. But Star Wars probably won't survive to get to it.
@@matthewmagda4971 But not as entertaining. Very low bar to cross and they still don't manage it.
@@fattiger6957 They'll cash out soon. Don't worry. Sell it to warner's. Well...warner's circa 2010
1:05 - I remember reading an old interview with Walt where he was asked why he made the lands generic instead (EG, Frontier Land instead of Davey Crockett Land). He said that by separating them, the land would be timeless and able to accommodate any character or new property.
"it's like 3 people shitting into the same toilet" Holy fuck, that was a killer comment.
...at the same time.
@@Sergeant_Fury yes, Fouad, that's the joke.
There was never a Sabine & Ahsoka connection in 'Rebels'. Ahsoka is old enough to be Sabine's mother. Hera (the Ghost is her ship) and Kanan (were a thing in the related novel) are the faux parents to Ezra and Sabine. Zeb, is the gruff uncle. And, Chopper is an insane astromech droid that nearly gets crew members killed on more than one occasion.
In 'Rebels', Sabine was briefly trained with a lightsaber and the Dark Saber, but it really isn't her thing. She is not force sensitive. She can hold her own in a fight, but with blasters. She will never be a jedi.
Also worth pointing out that Sabine was trained with a lightsaber by Kanan and Ezra, and Ahsoka was missing and presumed dead at the time. It's weird that they wrote a shows that you have to have seen Rebels to have any idea what's going on, but if you've seen Rebels you'll be constantly thinking "What's all this about Sabine being Ahsoka's apprentice? That never happened!"
Even the robot told her she was worse than the worst Jedi youngling.
And Zeb is off with the Rebel patrol pilots, for some reason.
Yeah exactly! Are they trying to retcon Sabine as being force sensitive now? There was literally no indication of that at all in Rebels. Surely, Kanan would have sensed it, if she was, and trained her too. She didn't display any of the established latent force potential indicators, such as enhanced reactions or intuition. You can't just acquire force powers by being trained by a jedi. I don't mind her being able to use Ezra's lightsaber a bit, since she was trained and beat Gar Saxon in a duel, but she should stand no chance against actual force users. Why bother putting all of these established characters into a show, if you're just going to completely change them? People who don't know them won't care about this show, and people who do will be annoyed that you changed them for no reason.
@@JaimieSchBut the Force is _female_
I am a woman saw the original trilogy in the cinema, live for a good story full of action, I gran and stick my head under a pilow when I see "full of strong female leads" Please God just make good content keep to the history of Star Wars. Gina is the exception she was brilliant power to her for telling them to get stuffed.
Gina was very good casting. Getting somebody with so much charisma and such a strong body was a one in a million chance. But Disney ruined the Mando-verse and sunk the good thing they had. Not the fans fault, when they flee a sinking ship before it pulls them down to the bottom of the ocean.
It's not even "strong female characters", it's that they insist on TELLING US they are. Princess Leia was a damn sure a strong female lead, she just never talked about it. She did it. Told off Vader right at the beginning, watched her home planet be destroyed, and even then, she lied about where the Rebel base was. Grabbed a blaster rifle and started shooting during her own rescue, flew the Falcon with Chewy, while Han and Luke manned the guns. And that's just Episode IV. The closest she got to being bitchy was telling Han "From now on, you do as I tell you", and "Will somebody get this walking carpet outta my way". And even then, Han was allowed to get some heat back with "No reward is worth this." Today, they'd make him say "Yes Ma'am, anything you say, Ma'am, sorry, Ma'am". And then he'd be chastised for calling her "Ma'am".
Good on ya, me too!
@@specialk9424exactly. If they want to be strong female characters, just do it, stop telling us!
Most sci-fi fans are generally fairly accepting of the female lead, they've been in the industry for years in a lot of really prominent and successful productions. But they all share one particular virtue
-they aren't crap!
I get this horrible, crawly feeling with modern hollywood 'strong female leads' which roughly equates them to being written into a male role, acting like a man, doing dumb bloke stuff with a 100lb waif that's beating the shit out of all the big, dumb evil blokes. There's no femininity, no even vaguely believable or convincing fantasy-disconnect element for them to behave the way they do and its just been done so many times, in so many movies or TV shows over the last 10-15 years that its become a trope all of its own" The modern rubbish female lead
Its just all so tiresome and a little bit sad
Imagine NASCAR trying to replace all their male fans with women. Attempting to do so in the Star Wars universe is just as absurd.
It worked out so well when Bud Light tried it.
@@fattiger6957 Yeah Bud light is "doing well" right about now.
Funny enough, NASCAR has also done a good job of alienating its core, traditional fanbase in recent years, in pursuit of national popularity.
:)
@@michaelstein7510so has the nhl. Mostly because they’re greedy and can’t deal with the Canadian dollar. The nhl players still make pennies compared other pro sports players and now they’re hoping to make the games 13-12 in hopes of winning fans.
I think my biggest problem with Ahsoka as a character is how she's essentially "The Chosen One" now. I don't mind her being an incredibly skilled duelist on account of Anakin and Obi-Wan being her teachers, and having fought in the Clone Wars so long, or being a master at using the force, BUT I don't want her being "stoic" since that leans into one of the (many) problems with the Jedi and why she left, but she's also not the grand all, be all duelist or force user. In all honesty, I kinda wish Vader had killed her in Rebels because it would've been so fitting and it also wouldn't have made the show "weird" with how she returned to the plot. They turned her into a Mary Sue, and that's just not Ahsoka in my opinion. Mature doesn't equal "boring", and Ahsoka channeling her (positive and negative) emotions for good is what sets her apart from other Jedi in my opinion, as does her love for Anakin. She understood him like nobody else, not even Obi-Wan.
I knew something was up when she refused to train Grogu, because of his attachment to Mando. That's not at all something Ahsoka would do. Then, they doubled down and had Luke do it as well. How did the man who wrote Clone Wars not get the message that the no attachments rule was kind of a mistake?
Ahsoka was one of those great lesser known characters who became a victim of her own success. For years she was the reason people recommended The Clone Wars, as this very energetic, headstrong girl who goes on her arc from naive and arrogant to humble and capable. But she never stopped being energetic and headstrong.
Then they started putting her into every show and movie and she became that alien woman who showed up in everything. Her actual series (The Clone Wars) didn't matter anymore. And now the show named after her is aimless because any semblance of personality has been slowly sunbleached away from her over the past decade.
This has always been a problem for me about Ahsoka’s representation in Disney canon. She had the guts to walk away from the place and people that were her life, in part because she was falsely accused of a crime and hung out to dry by the Order, but also because she saw the broader flaws in the Jedi ideology of the time. Why would someone who is so strongly painted as an independent and “neutral” character (she has silver lightsabers for goodness’ sake) be such a stickler for “the Jedi way?”
Kathleen Kennedy hasn't been fired even after she dropped the ball on the Disney Star Wars franchise and she must have had the bodies hidden to keep her job.
Or the backing of a 3rd wave feminist disney heir on the board.
Apparently, her contract is absolutely absurd.
In what other job can you lose over a billion dollars and still keep your job?
I doubt she needed any help or hidden bodies. Her first 3 movies (TFA, RO and TLJ) generated lots of money. And everything political she did later on must have been 100% in line with Disney mandates as every other production company owned by Disney soon afterwards did the same (see Pixar and Marvel).
I‘m pretty sure she is seen as being totally loyal and in line with company goals in the upper echelons. Bob Iger as CEO will not fire somebody that just did what he demanded and he anyway seems to be unable to either accept or find different people.
Kathleen Kennedy will end her tenure properly on time, when her contract ends next year. After that she will get some kind of executive producer or adviser deal and be praised whenever she shows her face. Why? Because Disney and Bob Iger will never admit their failures.
@@davidgantenbein9362"Generated a lot of money" compared to *what* ?
"The third movie cost $627M globally vs $936.6M box office. The second and third movies had substantially lower grosses than the prior movies"
And under Kennedy, merchandising sales have fallen apart.
If they had done this right, the second movie would have grossed closer to Infinity War and the third movie would have had a box office comparable EndGame.
And merchandising sales would not have vanished after 40 *years* .
In the corporate mind, admitting error is a terrible thing, so they'll keep pushing instead, even if it destroys the company. America is littered with businesses that refused to adapt. Consider Sears. They could have competed with Amazon (remember that they even started out as a mail-order store). But the owners refused to pivot, and Sears went from being part of the Dow closing its last retail stores this year.
Sears was run into the ground - some say intentionally- by a hedge fund billionaire, Eddie Lampert, who took over the company as a real estate play. He believed that the land the stores sat on was more valuable than the business itself, and made one lousy decision after another. Sears was too far gone anyway to compete with Amazon or Wal-Mart, but Lampert did the company no favors with his management decisions.
That just shows the hubris and pride of these corporate types, that they refuse to accept blame or admit they fucked up, even if it costs them in the end. Also, it seems like Sears has 11 stores left as of 2023, but yes, their days as a retail juggernaut are undoubtedly over.
I just watched a video about how KFC corporate launched a "re-kernalzation" program a couple years back with the aim of winning back some of the american market via improving quality. It was more or less a complete failure(In the U.S specifically, the biggest fried chicken market, but internationaly KFC is dominant), but the executives declared it a success and at least 4 used it to become CEOs of other companies.
There's almost no incentive for corporate call out a problem with what their is doing, almost the opposite. The situation would have to be dire for any real change.
I wish Mel Brooks was still with us and writing movies. We need him to write Spaceballs 2 because today’s Star Wars universe needs to be satirized so much.
He would kick the piss out of the Disney trilogy 🤣 it’d be comedy gold
Funnily enough, Dark Helmet was an effective satire of Kylo Ren decades before the character existed.
"No Sir, I didn't see you playing with your dolls again!" 😂
He's still alive; he's 97 years old and was just involved in History of the World Part 2.
SpaceBalls 2: the search for more money. A very fitting title. So far we've already got the irl version of spaceballs 3: the search for spaceballs 2
Star Wars is self parodying. No need for Mel to point out the stupidity.
Mando in season 1 still had more character behind his helmet than anyone in Ahsoka so far.
I assume you're joking, given the fact that Ahsoka herself, even ignoring everyone from Rebels, is one of the most developed characters in all of Star Wars. It's moronic to compare an entirely new character like Mando, who has to go through that development in the first season, to a character(s) who have already gone through it. Ahsoka is a show which requires previous knowledge to fully appreciate, those are two very different situations.
@kinggriffinhammer6834 I said character not character development you smoothbrain
I have seen everything Ahsoka has been in up to this show, and that is why I'm not a fan of it. Nothing feels right.
Is that a joke? Tell me you’re joking.
@@jackskirata4819 Are you going to offer yourself up as smoothbrain number 2? Why would you think I'm joking?
"When you play the game of Star Wars, you lose or you lose slowly." - Cersleen Kannister
I've been a die-hard Star Wars fan all my life, love the OT and prequel eras, love the EU, and to this day do not fucking understand why so many people simp for Filoni. I feel like there's way too many fans out there that praise his work for the vision it's going for rather than the quality of the final product.
I think the Problem is, since George is out of the picture, you can see that Filoni is not so great, like anybody thought. Not without George. George is Star Wars.
@@Niecze Not true. KOTOR 1 & 2 are amazing:
- 1st one being the more traditional SW experience but deeper/a lil bit more serious, with extremely well developed characters/story. A masterclass in how to make smth similar but still be original af.
- 2nd KOTOR being a briliant piece in deconstructing the franchise and its mythos which the dumbfk Rian Johnson unsuccessuflly tried to do with Last Jedi and instead shat all over the franchise, damaging it beyond belief. Even harder job for Obsidian Studio after Bioware's masterful KOTOR 1, but they still managed to catch the lightining in the bottle.
Timothy Zahn with his Thrawn Trilogy - the perfect continuation of the story after Episode 6.
SWTOR has bits of that magic too and is miles ahead of anything Disney has done, arguably with the exceptions of Rogue One & Andor. (same creators btw)
George lucas's dialog writing is terrible.
He worked like a decade with George, so from a legitimacy angle regardless of quality Dave comes across as the next legitimate option after George Lucas
@@danyyeltr4803by that same logic, Kennedy is still a better choice as she was his SECRETARY FOR FORTY.
From my upcoming review on Metacritic, IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes and Google: ---- In “Ahsoka”, actors recite lines unnaturally with long pauses between responses; this occurs when actors haven’t memorized their lines. The actors also fail to carry out tasks while talking. Speaking while acting physically is a staple in professional cinema: the performer must be able to walk and talk as the same time. Trained professionals spend years executing complex tasks while reciting lines with peers in order to perform correctly on screen. -----
it's not even about a "predominantly male" franchise turned into a female one. They've turned it into a FEMINIST one. Most women aren't even feminists by their own identification. A lot of women love the original Star Wars and any "old" movie starring handsome male heroes rescuing "the princess" because that resonates with both men AND women on a gut level. Girlfriends I've had, even feminist ones, were almost always clearly more interested in something like Chris Hemsworth taking his shirt off than any "strong female character" in any movie or show. I mean, my most feminist and left wing (but not really "woke") gf was just really into "fanfiction" and just these romance and sexual fantasies between a MAN and a WOMAN. Sure they like the "idea" of the strong woman but they don't really care about it. Just like most women like the idea of women's football world cup just because it gets women attention but the only ones really invested are lesbians and very few women actually care enough to go to the games let alone buy merchandise. And then they wonder why the women get paid less than the men.
The reason strong and capable male characters (and men in real life) appeal to both men and women is because women want them and men want to be them.
Those female characters are so bad and so cringe it hurts, i try not to judge a movie because it has a female lead but most of the times it's feminazi woke shit, there is a million way to write a good female character and making it a feminazi isn't one of them. How can Hollywood hate men but at the same time they make women act like them lol it's almost like they're admitting that the only for a woman to be "strong" is by acting like a guy. What a mental gymnastics.
@@Willie_Pete_Was_HereAgreed, while female protagonists are the other round. (Well besides Witchblade. Which just falls under the male gaze category.)
In the end, at least in USA, they get more than men...i.e. they always have benefits...
My cousin is a pretty fanatical football fan (soccer for any Americans), she went to every game to support her team before she had a baby. She wasn't watching women football.
Forgive the pun but I remember Ahsoka being so much more animated. They're all so moribund. It's like each actress is playing the same character.
Exactly what I thought too. It’s been a while since I watched Rebels, but I looked up some Sabine clips afterwards and she’s so feisty in Rebels. It’s almost like we’re getting gaslit that live action version is exactly like the animated version. Like jeez, just look up her darksaber training scene where she breaks down and compare to the live action
Been saying that I wasn't happy with the direction they've taken live-action Ahsoka. She comes off as a plank of wood who lost all of her personality traits and emotions. But then the shills keep telling me "Well she's older now she's not a kid anymore" and I'm so sick of hearing it. People don't understand that just because you've grown up and become wiser doesn't mean you become a completely different person. The vast majority of people maintain the same personality traits they had when they were a child until death.
@@jamescartwright181 Yea dude the "sTRoNg waMEn" trope is getting really tiresome.
Almost like our characters are starting the series with room to develop. Or are yall wanting the perfect mary sues?
@@Gundamsuit. By the time a show gets into production, the writers, director, and actors should have a very good idea of who the characters are, their strengths, weaknesses, quirks, and so on. Starting off a show with multiple characters almost devoid of personality suggests that either the production completely dropped the ball, or this is exactly what they wanted: generic, soulless characters with zero charisma.
The change in Ashoka’s fighting style is insane. In the animated shows her fighting style was all about constantly changing direction of the attack. It’s the reason she used to lightsabers, to overwhelm them by forcing them to track multiple points of attack at once. In this she spends way to much time static letting other people come to her.
Women WANT to see strong men. It’s so simple yet so heretical
I know right. How many heartthrobs are bland girl bosses or wimpy yes men?
So I just saw a promotional clip where Rosario admits that most of the fight choreography and training was done while filming... which tells me that they had fuck all time for pre-production. Anyone remember when they actually put effort into fights?
@@vildsvinet6559 IIRC, Iron Fist had one good fight in the whole show.
The Duel of the Fates at the end of Episode 1.
"3 people $hitting into the same toilet", that phrase sums up Star Wars.
All roads lead to the sequel trilogy. And because it has to go there, the New Republic has to be stupid and fail, Luke has to fail. Basically, everyone has to fail. Or have their victories be on the whole meaningless. So why should we, the audience care. If we know that what little success we will see doesn't matter.
I'm looking far beyond the Sequel Trilogy...a thousand years into the future, in fact. That's where the future of Star Wars lies, in my honest opinion.
Palpatine said it in rise of Skywalker, "I want you to hate me" this isn't about their ignorance and focusing on money or investment or whatever. This is purposefully done
Satan
@@TempoLOOKING 👍
@chasehedges6775 so many people think that God doesn't exist. Yet demon activities are on the rise. More and more supernatural activity keeps happening. The book of revelations mentions the rising of the dead. It never mentions zombies. We now know the CIA is based on satanic cults that we turn coated from Hitler. Pornhub has many occultest who were kidnapped by the CIA during the south American coups. Yet the average person shurgs there shoulder and calls us crazy and support the bidden pedophile.
Would they purposely do this?
@@gameover9390Demoralization agenda to destroy the West.
Divided?? It’s dead…just hasn’t been buried yet
It was good until Disney got a hold of it. Now, it’s a withering husk
@@chasehedges6775 yep, I think I’ve said to you before, I actually enjoyed the Mando season 1&2…but they ruined that as well
@@GIBBO4182 💯
@@GIBBO4182 Mandalorian S 1 and 2 were were awesome
Difficult to bury a dead body, when the necromancer got hold of it
I seriously tried giving this a chance . I’m not kidding when I say I started watching it FOUR times but have fallen asleep within 10 min EACH TIME . I am seriously trying here .
I mean, that sounds like you might have a serious mental issue or you are heavily sleep deprived, if you have that short of an attention span with content that is simply slow, I can't imagine how you get through everyday life.
@@kinggriffinhammer6834 probably right ! 👍 but I haven’t had this issue with other shows .
@@AverageJoe483 Hey man, I'm not saying you have to like it, I'm just genuinely concerned when I hear stuff like that. I'm glad it's not a reoccurring issue!
Damn bro, the first 10 minutes is republic jailers getting cut down then a quasi speeder chase.
How much more you need?
@@lobal2 sorry I guess I should have specified . I was talking about the second episode . The very beginning of the first episode was indeed good. No denying that ! Except that speeder chase scene was unnecessarily dumb. But the intro with the two non Jedi were good.
The choreography was one of my biggest gripes since the trailer showed footage of it (both Ahsoka's fights, and the grey Jedi sequences).
I've been watching a lot of old samurai movies lately. It is amazing that low-budget movies made in the mid 50s (when Japan was still rebuilding after being destroyed during the war) have better fight scenes than $200 million modern blockbusters with CG and wirework and months-long shooting schedules.
There hasn’t been any decent choreography since the godlike choreography of the prequels
@@TheBigEmstos The godlike choreography in the prequels like when Anakin and Obi Wan were randomly spinning their lightsabers for no reason in the final duel?
Filoni (and his cronies) know fuckk all about directing action. They need a dedicated 2nd unit/action director to come in for those sections.
The entire point of a Speeder and its lack of wheels is that there is never a need for a highway....of any kind.
Wheeled vehicles need roads. Everything with repulsor lift technology avoids that entirely.
So if we are seeing a highway....we should be seeing wheeled vehicles.
Land clearance maybe, but outright highways are overkill.
This may seem an old reference, but the entirety of Disney seems to be suffering from the most egregious instance of the Peter Principle I think I've ever seen.
It could be the best thing since sliced bread, if it doesn't erase the ST then it leads into it. They wrote themselves into a corner.
I was pining for a Kyle Katarn series so badly when disney first announced that they were making shows. Now I'm praying that they never touch him and forget he exists
White male hero. Let’s be real.
who
Sir Christopher Lee actually, apparently, had a stunt double during his fight scenes in the Star Wars Prequels. Which is what Rosario Darson better pray and hope is fully the truth, because if not, she just got upstaged by a man in his 70s or 80s.
Born in 1922, 80 y.o at the release of Episode 2.
The majority of the Disney era makes you forget why the previous stories were so brilliant. At this point, it makes you wonder if this why by design
If you’re still wondering, you are wrong.
It is absolutely deliberate.
@@antibull4869 Oh trust me, by now I think it's intentional. I just find it baffling is all.
@@Gorgon9090watch Yuri Bezmemov’s interview on Communism coming to America, and it all makes sense why they’re doing this.
All kinds of people loved star wars just the way it was, I will never understand the need to change it to appeal to today's identity politics. Ahsoka is one of my favorite characters and I love rebels and I think some characters should stay in animation.
This show might have been better received if it came out before Book of Buba Flop, Jake Kenobi and Mando s3.
And The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker.
@@georgebailey8179what? No! Because then we'd have even fewer shitty movies that would be worse than it. Now some ppl can go 'at least it's not one of those'.
Even despite their lack luster appeal, Disney doesn't need to drop all the new characters. All they need to do in heavily incorporate the legacy characters into the parks.
Been saying this for years! No one gives a fuck about Kylo or Rey walking around.
Throw in Darth Vader, Luke, Leia, etc. and I guarantee Galaxy's Edge would be more popular. At least they have Chewbacca.
It feels like these actresses are all cosplaying better characters from the animated shows. I'm looking for the real Ahsoka, Sabine, and Hera. All I see are impostors. (Must be Skrulls in disguise.)
Where's Hera son?
He is a boy so gone. Not to mention "motherhood" in a disney IP? What do you think?
Yeah you can’t bring guys onto the show unless they’re villains just fyi
To be completely fair...Alec Gunniess moved a lot worse than Ahsoka did while fighting so. .
Kathleen Kennedy reminds me of that photo of Hitler taken two days before his death. Berlin in ruins, the army all but gone, and soviets surrounding the city and shelling what's left of it into dust... And he's thinking "I can still win this, my strategy is working".
I can picture it …
KK: „When the new Rey movie hits theaters, we will again dominate the box office“.
Pablo Hidalgo: „But my matriarch, the budget for the new Rey movie wasn’t approved, it will not hit theaters!“
They need to stop doing the “old ancient looking map that inexplicably leads to a person that can move” like come on, write the rest of the story! What a cop out.
Sabine in Rebels: I am NOT force sensitive and I HATE using a Lightsaber. Blasters & Bombs for me!
Sabine in Ashoka: I BADLY want to be your Padawan, and will use Lightsabers exclusively despite sucking at them!
Well, what have they got at the theme parks? REALLY...
1 A bunch of Star Warsy looking buildings and stuff.
2 A Millenium Falcon
3 A bunch of food service
4 A bunch of gray retail with porgs
5 A bunch of sit in the wobbly chair and watch the mini-movie
1 - Keep it
2 - Keep it
3 - Print new menus
4 - Put mynoks on the shelves instead
5 - Write a new mini-movie
All Galaxy's Edge has to do is implement OT/PT cast members/merch and throw in a new ride or at least like you said roll out a few new stories for the Millennium Falcon attraction (Star Tours has done it).
The closest thing Sabine had to a master was Kanan. Even then, Kanan wasn't the best teacher as he wasn't even a jedi knight until like season 2 when he got knighted by the ex-Grand Inquisitor in that Matrix style scene.
Ahsoka's story for me still stands at the end of Rebels, at the end of the civil war where she returns to Lothal to help Sabine find Ezra. Ahsoka at that point is closer to the Bendu than a jedi, more so an emissary of the force following its will rather than using the force to enforce her will. I have no problem with doing any live action stuff with her and i understand the issues with the lekuu but to me, her live action counterpart looks kinda on the chubby side instead of this lithe and acrobatic jedi/warrior she is known to be
The question I have is: Why is Sabine and Ahsoka doing a "Master/Padawan" thing??? 🤔🤔
Sabine was never a Jedi; and never had Force powers, so I'm a bit confused by that. 🤨🤨🤨
The Force is Female?
It's also weird for Ahsoka. Strange how a woman who has a distaste for the Jedi Order is still following their traditions.
@@GLJosh"All women is Star Wars is naturally force sensitive. Padme, Mon Mothma, Rose Tico, all force sensitive. They just don't know it yet." - Kathleen Kennedy in probably a couple years
@GLJosh 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Would certainly explain alot.
@@Ch0c0lateChimp I guess, with enough indoctrination, old habits are hard to break. 🤔🤔
"Drinkle?" I'm gonna laugh about that for days. Fantastic.
Disney is a prime example of too many cooks spoiling the broth. Everyone can't always get what they want. 🎉
But they can get what they need, such as a good chunk getting fired.
OH, it's way worse than that.
Disney is a prime example of the cooks hate the food and you, so they intentionally spoil the food and tell you if you dislike it its because you're toxic and a bad person. Having fewer cooks who hate you wont save the meal.
Remember back in old GI Joe and Transformers episodes where Cobra or the Decepticons totally could have dominated the world but the individuals kept dicking each other over and dividing resources so their plans failed? Lucasfilm is the boring real world version of that.
We had the Gillmore Girls and now we have the Forcemore Girls!
What a great group of people! LOVE IT
I can't describe how enjoyable it is to listen to five men talk over each other for 15 straight minutes. Nobody gets to finish a point, everybody gets two sentences in and then gets stomped on. It feels like being the only sober guy at a party full of drunk people.
At this point I'm thinking they should've just gotten ALL the voice actors to reprise their roles in live action. Especially for Hera and Ahsoka. My goodness, it just makes me want to forget these 2 episodes and rewatch Rebels. They were so much more charming there.
Long live the Rey Pegwarmer action figure! Millions of years from now, humanity will be but a memory, and those figures will still be bravely holding their place on store shelves (and in landfills) just waiting for their inevitable conquest of the market
In the year 3955, Gaius the ape will hand Taylor a doll he found in a cave...a doll that talks!
Gaius, "What is that doll saying?"
Taylor, "It's got a name. It's saying "Rey."
Gaius, "GUARDS, PUT EXPLOSIVES AT THE ENTRANCE TO THAT CAVE AND BLOW IT UP. NO ONE SHOULD HEAR OF SUCH HERESIES AGAIN, EVER!"
Agree. I think starting over is a good idea. Or you could do a KOTOR thousands of years before. That was a great story. I think a thrawn trilogy (adapted from Zahn’s books), would be fun to watch
Yeah I was gonna say I played KOTOR and many thousands of hours of SWTOR and both are just so much better. The locations on this show had ONE purpose, the plot point. The city has ONE massive highway whose only purpose is for Sabine to drive down on her speeder, the ancient city has ONE purpose, to find the maguffin, the factory city has ONE purpose, to get the hyperdrive thingy off the planet. In the games the locations felt like somewhere the action just happens to take place. In this, they only exist for the plot.
Ive been saying this for years. Im so tired of the Skywalker Saga, I wish they would just start again with the Old Republic, its such a rich time period too. Instead we get more side characters getting their own trilogy for the 50th time.
That's what the streaming series should have been from the get-go: stories of past adventures
Hera looks terrible, head thing looks a different species than twilek. And apparently Obi and Ani didn’t teach Ashoka to drop the robe before a fight.
My guess is that they didn’t spend the money on a proper fight choreographer, hence just more cgi than actual movement involved. … but I haven’t watched and only saw some clips.
Everything looks so stiff, what happened to the fluid movements from the prequels
Drinking game: one shot every time someone says “like”.
You’ll pass out after the first 30 seconds.
Enjoying these videos! 😂
Hat's off to you all still roughing it through these Star Wars shows
They won’t backtrack to the core Star Wars story because their egos won’t let them.
Favreau seemed to lose his drive to keep directing for Disney when they fired Gina. He said he didn't agree with her treatment from Disney. Then he didn't promote or talk about anything.
I have said I think that's one of the major things right there he's going to have to get Catherine Kennedy out of his way and the Disney bosses are going to have to give him whatever rain he wants to make the vision that he wants to make.
In 1977 a wonderfully fun film came to the movie theaters. It's been a downhill dredge ever since.
I wouldn't say that. Star Wars has seen many peaks and valleys between 1977 and 2015. But it has been a nosedive into the pits of Tartarus ever since Disney bought Lucasfilm.
In 2005, we got Revenge Of The Sith. Awesome film
So I guess empire strikes back just didn’t happen.
@@ulikemykungfu3995 If you like more of the same, only never quite as good.
@@fattiger6957The 2nd installment was ok - fast fun. But the 3rd? Repeat of taking out the Death Star, when they already did it in E1? How lame. And then it never gets better, ever.
Zen will show up and be the only character to die from a lightsaber to the gut since Qui Gon.
They had a stunt double for Sabine and the stunt doubles arms were twice the size of the actress. It was really funny seeing the fight scene and then seeing her right afterwards with her little toothpick arms
I have to question Lothal's infrastructure priorities - billions spent on a narrow freeway to the grasslands, for ... speeders. Which zip off the end of the road over the tufted grass and flouncing Lothcats. Why have a concrete freeway?
Even worse, they didn't even rip an AKIRA SLIDE. C'mon!!!
Anyway, the Ahsoka characters from CW/Rebels have had an inhibitor chip implanted in them. Or 20mg of valium.
It comes across as wierd grooming, sabine is significantly younger here.
Of all the potential criticisms to label at the show, this ain't one. The two characters are both adults, it's not an issue. That being said I hope to god this is just a case of the actresses being given mishandled direction, I don't want to see a romance be made of them, though not for reasons of grooming.
Based on the timeline ahsoka's in her '50s and Sabine is in her late 20s early 30s absolutely latest
Wait, what? Grooming by who?
Regarding the age of the people on screen in Ahsoka... Liam Neeson was 47 when he played Qui Gon Jinn in Episode 1. Age is not the issue, it is the commitment to excellence by the folks making the show that is.
The real question is if there is a real fight choreographer on set. Liam Neeson had several, including Ray Parks.
Disney+ adds a homework section to its streaming service and then wonders why they're losing millions of subs.
"People love homework when they go to watch TV shows" - a Disney executive, probably.
In star wars rebels the way the characters were written was like this Hera was the mum Kanan was the dad, Sabine was the big sister and Ezra was the little brother and chopper was the dog. Hell her and kanan had a kid in the end which was revealed. Also sabine isn't force sensitive she's a mandalorian. Of course woke Disney has to write every female character as gay now as men and women can't be lovers even though they were in star wars rebels.
Wb Zeb??
@@lenosflarrethedragonking4300Zeb is like an uncle, Chopper the grumpy cat
@@danyyeltr4803 That checks out
She's looking at Asoka like "Mmmm does the carpet match the drapes?"
The story idea is solid. It has my interest. It doesn't break lore at least and looks like Star Wars. My biggest complaint is probably just how boring the characters are. I get wanting to be a bit more serious and such like Andor, but in the cartoons these characters had much more personality and chemistry.
I haven't watched it, but from what I saw of Andor, the characters had plenty of character. You can even have chippy characters in very dour / sad story.
@@defeqel6537 oh they did, but generally they were more serious than you'd expect from Star Wars, where there's usually a Han or Lando type in the mix.
Disney has a "running rig" that can make a person run super fast, they used it in Infinity War to show Black Panther & Captain America racing ahead of the Wakandan army near the climax of the film.
To be honest
Screw
Them
All
Writers. Owners. Fandom.
Out of this universe, out of this story I've received everything I've wanted. I can't care less about what they'll do next. I have no connections to these new characters, nor wish to follow their stories. They are, perhaps, not written for me, that's most likely and that's fine by me. As I have already said, I already have what I want and I'm kinda grateful for that. Nobody can take that away from me.
I don't remember Sabine being a force sensitive. Yeah she had the Dark saber.. but so what?
where is the original (longer) link for this livestream? Tried looking on Drinker's main channel and this one, but can't seem to find it.
czcams.com/video/T0SSpvfSt-o/video.html&ab_channel=TheCriticalDrinker
I also didn't like they didn't really address what the original characters (Lea, Solo, Luke etc.) are doing during this time / why their not involved...Its a loose end that could have been tied up by mentioning it in the prologue text at the beginning, or involve them in a way such as Luke or Lea tasking Ahsoka to find this map because they haven't been able to track Thrawn down. UGH! It could have been written so much better.
Fixating on merchandise over content is why the 90s almost destroyed comicbooks. You'd think *someone* at Marvel would've given Disney that memo...
Remember when Kathleen Kennedy was fired? Whatever happened with that?
Doomcock said it, so it wasn't true.
It was just a rumor.
@@CharlesUrbanDoomcock hasn't ever been right about anything.
@@simonhadley8829 He's been right about a few things, like with the Indiana Jones ending that got reshot. Still, he's very hit-or-miss. At least he has a great schtick.
I'm sure it's still happening in Doomcock's mind (or his ass, where his "sources" all live and from where he gets all his "leaks")
Did Rey have a three film arc? I didn't watch the third, so I'm not the best to comment, but let's see...
She started off the unfound hero : good start
Then she was a competent if surprised noob.
Next movie she spent being competent noob.
Last movie she was a stronger competent... well, really, she was noob.
First movie : set chin
Middle : forget
Last : ends on her set chin
Her arc : Became less surprised at her competence.
Did she show any sign of mastery, that conversion from brown belt hyperactive bully to black belt serenity?
"Well, she learned a fact then rejected it." Um... do the math :
A +1 - 1 = A
A ==> A
not an arc.
Again, only seen her first two jaunts the once and not bothered with the third so my analysis might be lacking.
Rise of Sky-Palpatine-Woker is great 😂
Thanks!
I only managed about 80% of Clone Wars and have only watched clips from Rebels...
Every day we stray further from the word of the flannel god, I miss Star Wars...
Yeah me too. I've gotten so used to the single season, 26 episode format of most anime that I really can't stand shows that go on for hundreds of episodes.
I'm honestly sad now for both sides of the divide. Whether it Disney Star Wars fans being desperate for anything good, or the haters who refuse to see any good. Neither side wins.
Star Wars has run its course, let it die out and come back later when someone with some vision and ideas can make something decent with it. Dr Who should do the same.
Its the Xena / Gabrielle vibe in space
It just hit me how much Critical Drinker looks like Roland from the Viva La Dirt League channel lmao, I can't be the first one to have noticed this
Mankind divided
Humanity divided
Guys, Sabine is Maverick on his bike in Top Gun.
I think it would have been better if they had just gotten the voice actor who voiced ahsoka from the cartoon to do a live action version. Her voice is more authentic and feels more real.
They couldn't afford to animate traffic, Disney got money problems!🤣
I think the “motorcycle” scene on the highway was supposed to be a call back to the first episode of Rebels, where Kanan got Ezra to stop by flying ahead of him and stopping dead in the road. Only instead of stopping like Ezra did, Sabine just slides under the X-Wing and keeps going, because she’s a girl boss, which defeats the whole purpose of the original scene.
The Rebels scene established that Ezra was a thief who only thought of himself, but was forced to yield when faced with someone like Kanan. It’s Ezra at the start of his journey, and would've been a perfect way to kick off Sabine's story, if they'd handled it correctly. There’s an entire celebration being held in her honor, but she’s too wrapped up in her own feelings to care. Getting stopped by the X-Wing and convinced to attend would've been a nice little wake up call, as she sees how close she came to blowing off all the nice people who just wanted to thank her. This would make her realize that she's not acting like herself and needs guidance, which would be the perfect excuse for her to seek out Ashoka and get involved in the story, as opposed to her somehow having been Ashoka's apprentice in the past for some reason.
Poor Despot, it's like he's a fish out of water around these guys. I don't he got a single word in during this segment.:'(
The critical doggo ate my homework
Incorrect, there aren't 3 camps. Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau are on the same camp.
I agree there 2 sides of the same coin.
Favreau is credited as an executive producer on Ahsoka as well
@@samuelmyth8392 that can everything or nothing depending on the production
Nerdrotic: Obviously out drinking the Drinkel...Drinka... Drinkeral... :)
If Ahsoka and Sabine turn alphabet group I’m done after s1.
Never before has there been such an industry, not just A company, ever had such antipathy against their own customers as Hollywood.
6:50 He had a cameo in the last season of the Mandalorian. Somehow, he's become a pilot instead of going back to new Lasan or serving as a commando or a training infantry officer.
You know.....where's Hera's kid at? He'll be like 10 right now. They showed him in Rebels. Is he just in daycare all the time?
The days of ripping the bandaid off are over.
What i dont get is Obi-Wan had a 5 minute recap of the prequels.....but Ahsoka does not? Wait so the spin off show to 3 movies everyone has watched needs a recap but a show that requires 10.5 seasons to watch along with the Mando stuff does not?! Huh.