Drinker's Chasers - Chris Hemsworth Mocks Love And Thunder, And Taika Waititi
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2023
- It seems Chris Hemsworth may be done with the MCU, as he spoke candidly with GQ about his time on Love And Thunder - "It all got a bit silly."
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I have always liked Hemsworth as a person. Dude speaks his mind even if it is against the popular opinions of the time. Heck, I recall him mentioning, he lives in Australia partly to avoid the stupid Hollywood drama crap that is so prevalent in America.
He’s awesome.
As if Australia is any better. The nation that put people in camps during Covid
@@proudsaiyanprince2651 Crying because someone "insulted" your country is extremely immature. Grow up mate. Your country doesn't care about you.
He moved because Hollywood is not a good atmosphere to raise kids. Hehe, turns out he was right all along, judging by all we have been hearing about.
Hemsworth shows up to climate change protests in his private jet. He's just like the rest of them
Glad to see these Marvel actors speak up against the money
Pretty much the entire original Avengers team has left
Well he has money.
you find a spine when you have money, somehow spine returned
Better late than never.
I mean just saying "it was a bit silly" isn't exactly the slam dunk of actors finally speaking up against big corporations that people think it is.
End of First Thor movie:
Thor: “I have, much... to learn, I know that now. Someday perhaps, I shall make you proud”
Odin: “you’ve already made me proud”
2 lines of dialogue, that are saying much more about the character of Thor compared to the entirety of Love & Thunder.
One of the early signs "Love & Thunder" was going to suffer was the whole "I don't know who I am" sentiment in the preview trailers. [Facepalm] "Dude? You've had, what, three mainline movies, plus the 'Avengers' movies, the destruction of Asgard, the loss of half the life in the universe... Maybe you should be *past* this whole midlife crisis, identity crisis, whateverthe@$%# you want to call it, by this point?"
Thor 1 still touches my heart my pride and my Dad trying to be wise and temper me into wisdom 100% perfect. When Thor yells at his Dad I get all sad. @sterling7 Right like every other character hasn't had to deal with it. I thought the guardians would cheer him up because you know they all have pain in their back stories.
Thor 1 was criminally underrated. It was a story of a spoiled boy becoming a real man.
I definitely remember Endgame giving off the whole “I need to find myself” message for Thor, and finding myself really not liking it. There were plenty of points that could’ve been made for development or healing, but I thought it was kind of weak how it was implemented and out of character given the development he had already gone through.
@@scones3314 fat thor was awful
Taika is very similar to Rian. He was at some point a competent filmmaker who had a few enjoyable films under his belt. But then he got told he was so amazing that he took it to heart and decided that anything he did was right and no one was allowed to question him. That’s how we ended up with TLJ and that’s how we ended up with Love and Thunder
agree - nothing else to add
@@HelghastStalker Rian directed Ozymandias and a few other episodes of Breaking Bad, and they’re not terrible. Even Fly is still okay. It’s not that he can’t make a film, he just can’t do it when he’s responsible for literally any other part because he writes it for himself.
@@HelghastStalker Oh I definitely agree. He’s an egotistical idiot who thinks his writing “subverts our expectations” because we expect a good movie and we get one by him instead. I remember hearing a story about Rian on the Breaking Bad set for Ozy where he told another director “he gets to fuck the prom Queen” which, if you have seen the thumb that he is, you’d know that’s the only time that phrase has been applicable to him, but its also indicative of his mentality.
Also I like your name as well, brother.
Im a kiwi. Hes always been a stuck up liberal type.
@@RichSmithson I like you NZers yeah if anything he makes you look like whackos. You owe me 1 cute kiwi bird now plz mail. Will accept fertilized kiwi egg.
“They need me more than I need them.”
SPOT ON.
Based and true. I worked at a warehouse. There's no the old ladies in the office were loading that semi truck.
They transformed Thor into self-parody. Left to their own devices, they do this to every character. did you notice that they also did away with Hulk? Banner is now in control and Hulk basically died
And such a huge change happened off screen too.
And thanks to She-Hulk, he doesn't even need to be in his weird Hulk-fusion form anymore. He can just be Banner 24/7 with no drawbacks or consequences. The Hulk is now just a generic super-form that can be turned on and off like nothing.
My favorite part of the hulk was when he was in control, mark ruffalo had to shut the fuck up
Just watch "Hulk vs." (vs Thor; vs Wolverine) animated series. These are wonderful mini-films, with strong characters and a serious story, which we will never get in MCU at this point. They reminded me why I love these characters
They make me miss Edward Norton's Hulk and I thought that was so goofy at the time but other then that we've had Bana and vote for this lady and I'll show you my penis guy.
Thors arc should have ended with him taking the mantle of king of New Asgard, not handing it off to Valkyrie and running off with a crew of space heroes to find himself...again.
It would have been a beautiful ending arc for him, especially since it would have connected his story arc back to the very first film.
In that first movie plot, Thor was a boorish, spoilt son of Odin, who wanted to party with his friends and go battle creatures across the universe.
He was forced to become humble and learn to accept responsibility.
By the end of the movie, he becomes the Thor we all learnt to love.
With Endgame, the ending would make sense for him to now become King of Asgard, taking responsibility as it's new leader or another take - he keeps Valkyrie in charge - she is not King, she is not Queen, she is merely a Stewart, awaiting the return of her King, while he goes on a solo quest to seek a new planet for his people to go and live there rather than live as refugees on Earth forever.
They did neither.
They merely returned Thor to the boorish idiot from the 1st movie, where he ditched his responsiblity and goes off to travel the universe with his buddies.
Oh, exactly!!
honestly new asgard shouldn't even be a thing. didn't they all get slaughtered and their spaceship got blown to bits at the start of infinity war? that's why the guardians only found thor floating in space? but somehow they're all alive and have made new asgard on earth lmao
@@xaevius5319 Presumably some people escaped in pods like Valkyrie, while Thor, Loki and Heimdall stayed behind
@@RedRaikou "presumably", lol. contrivance. the only one we saw leave that ship was hulk
AZ makes a great point in the end.
Nobody cares for all these "strong female characters", not because they´re sexist, but because they´re all flawless Mary Sue characters. We cared about Ellen Ripley or Sarah Connor or The Bride from Kill Bill, because they were not perfect characters, but had flaws/weaknesses that they had to overcome, during their "hero´s ( or rather heroine´s) journey".
I mean, who gives a flying frakk about chracters like She-Hulk or Capt. Marvel or frikin´ Ironheart?!
I went in to She-Hulk *wanting* to like it, tho I was watching entirely for Blonsky. But holy hell it was eye opening in how bad the MCU has gotten since Endgame. No characters to like, no story arcs, it was soo vapid and soulless. Holy hell MCU needs a reboot
@@MsYunaFires What the MCU needs... is to fucking stop. Just stop.
I would also add that the 'strong female characters' aren't just Mary Sues who are perfect, they actively deride other characters who do struggle. The alter-ego of She-Hulk, I can't remember her name, but I don't think people would have felt as strongly about that character if she was just perfect and boring. But she had to be perfect and rub it in Bruce's and the audience's face; she had to showcase how much better she was in multiple obnoxious ways. She didn't just cause disinterest, she genuinely angered people.
And the "sexist trolls" are the same people who praise Ripley (and almost anything played by Weaver), Connors, Leia (and many other Star Wars women), Dana Scully, most of Star Trek women (real Star Trek i mean), Lara Croft, Neytiri, and so many others.
Characters need to be vulnerable then they rise up and overcome. Character arc is missing
The first 2 Thor movies dont even look like the last 2 we've had. Its so jarring.
The first one was directed by Kenneth Branagh.
I preferred the more Shakespearean Thor's. Ragnarok was fun but it was all downhill from there.
Directors and writers were a completely new team.
I understand why they changed it, but it feels weird seeing the drastic shift from Thor 2 to Thor 3.
Thor's friends got killed like they were background characters in Thor 3, and he doesn't even acknowledge them by name.
@@flarestorm9417 100%. Ragnarok was horribly tone deaf.
It's why saving private Ryan works. You can't focus on the entire war, it's too big. You can focus on a small group on a singular mission
Basically every war film does this, all the way back since at least 1930's _All Quiet on the Western Front_
The actual scale of the _event_ is not important, just what it does to the _characters_
even in a Series like Band of Brothers with much more time and different episodes of WW2 (from Dday to the end with finding the concentration camp), they focused on the same group and the characters within it
I remember Taika mocking the CGI of his own movie in a youtube video where he broke down a scene. This was at the same time VFX houses started speaking up about Marvel's inhumane deadlines. It felt so disconnected and left a bad taste.
Also, it's inevitable that your CGI will suffer if you keep changing your mind after the shots were planned out.
Does it surprise anyone that Taika lacks empathy and awareness?
Any fuckwit that will denigrate, on camera, the people (and their efforts) doing all the hard work for him has NO business being the boss of anything.
@@RambleOn07 I think he probably has a fair bit of empathy. All his previous films were quite heartfelt. But I think he's also quite hyperactive, and he needs constraints to rein in his creative impulses. If he's told _"You're a genius, do whatever the hell you want."_ the results will be a mess. I'd probably be the same, as would most people.
@@andybrice2711 100% this. Can confirm as a self-identified creative person here.
Jeremy Renner is also a level headed actor who made Hawkeye his own; respected the fans and was okay playing in the backdrop of the titans of the MCU. Damn shame about his snowplow accident- i wish him a complete recovery.
I could be wrong but from I remember his also very woke.
@@stephenramos2824 i thought he was gay or something.
@@stephenramos2824 doubt it, never heard much out of him
@@tlshortyshorty5810 If actors/actresses are woke they shout from the rooftops. If they don't seem political they are either moderate or conservative. Very few guys his age are woke.
@@stephenramos2824 He may have been woke, but he was accused of something he didn't do and all of the woke Disney fans were ready to execute him without a trial.
Hope he gets to find better films in his role. Extraction 2 made me cautiously excited since Extraction is quite solid imo
Extraction was 🔥 and and I’m so hyped for that second movie
He will be the main villain in Mad Max prequel "Furiosa".
He has the potential to be a solid action movie star with the ocassional comedy thrown in there
I think Rush was a great film of his, I don't like formula racing much at all but that movie I feel like did a good job of showing a fierce rivalry to get to the top.
@@sajohnson09 I need to check that one out.
Hemsworth is the based dad that really doesn't want to be involved in petty politics, but is being forced to because of how mindblowingly dumb things are becoming.
He’s no doubt getting the gears from his kids friends, who watch this trash, which is unbiased
@@crazyralph6386 They probably get it. He does goofy things to get $ then he probably throws them a BBQ.
@@Drak976 I suspect your are right. Nothing against him for making $ in silly movies. And much respect for understanding that they're exactly that, silly movies.
He said before the movie came out that it was written by a 5 year old for a 5 year olds. People for some reason thought he was joking.
This was a great follow up to what Hemsworth said not long after Thor 4 came out - he said specifically he didn't want to work with any more "visionary directors' and I can't blame him. He got in the best shape of his lifetime to be in a two hour SNL skit where the Endgame fatsuit would have been just fine.
After rewatching the first Thor movie, I actually like that version of the character more than the Ragnarök version. He was more honorable and felt like a true warrior. The problem was never truly Thor himself; it was his stand-alone films. Ragnarök was right to go more colorful and have some levels of stakes, plus having more comedy and fun, but changing Thor into a goofy version of his older version was a mistake.
Ragnarok felt like a great 1 off film. I enjoyed it and remember really liking it, until I rewatching it and being bored.
So i hated it when it first come out like VERY SERIUSLY but after recintly rewatching it it ages well ..perticuly comared to the over the top movies that followed. It had a VERY down to earth quility. Just straight forward subject and story telling it was not amazing but it was judt kinda fun, alot of these movies now ARE amazing but NOT FUN.
Remember who wrote first Thor movie .. and who directed it. That's why it was good.
One of best scenes was Thor failing to lift the hammer, in the rain. The anguish. And Coleson looking on with a touch of curiosity and sympathy.
I agree..... Chris is a great actor, but the plot and storyline for both Ragnarok & L&T really did injustice for Chris and Thor as a character. I'm not into all the politics the movie were trying to push since I'm not American, but after watching those two movies in the theater it was left with a really underwhelming and disappointed feeling. Such a bummer.
I saw that as Thor having spent more time around around modern humans.
“You can’t just keep playing the same role forever.” … nobody tell Hugh Jackman.
Liam Neesom has entered the chat
Jason Statham playing the transporter in every movie: *sweats nervously*
And then there's Steven Seagal who doesn't even know what the fuck is he doing
@@margarethmichelina5146 He's plying martial arts action film master Steven Seagal in every film of course
@@cleanerben9636 i hope he doesnt stop
Terrible news but a possible reason for Chris being so open about his feelings.
“In episode five of his National Geographic documentary Limitless (2022), Hemsworth revealed that his maternal grandfather suffers from Alzheimer's disease. It was also revealed that Hemsworth himself has inherited two copies of the APOE4 gene, one from his mother and one from his father, which makes it eight to ten times likelier for him to eventually develop Alzheimer's disease than the general population. As such, Hemsworth plans to take an indefinite break from acting to spend more time with his family.”
Prayers for Chris Hemsworth.
I feel sorry for Hensworth because having seen Extraction 1(good movie) and knowing his work in Infinity War, he can do drama. I honestly blame Ghostbusters 2016 and giving the false impression where he can only be a goofball. And while I enjoyed Ragnarok and that element, Love and Thunder and Endgame really hammed those elements up past the point of no return. It's a shame because you could have done a serious Thor movie after Endgame? Imagine a movie where Thor has to face Gorr the God butcher and we had a movie where Gorr points out how horrible the gods have been, citing the Asgardians and in turn saying the world would be better without them. And having Thor prove to Gorr that wasn't the case, willing to sacrifice himself to protect everyone. A full round character arc, showcasing he isn't just chasing for glory from the first movie. But we will never get that. All in all, best of luck to Hensworth, because I'm glad you were cast as Thor.
The MCU right now is a sucked orange in terms of potential.
Oh god Ghostbusters 2016, why did he even do that one? I'd just managed to forget he was in it too. I wonder if he ever acknowledged that one was a mistake.
I didn't enjoy Ragnarok personally. I think that was the first step in ruining his character.
Kinda unrelated, but damn I can't believe that that movie is from 2016. I mean, it would fit perfectly well with all the garbage they put out today but this movie was actually heavily criticized back then for every reason most people hate the woke media of today, and to my knowledge it was a flop.
What I'm trying to say is, I can't comprehend why Hollywood would just keep going in that direction after movies such as those; even back then everyone hated them.
@@Fe7Ace He wanted to flex his comedic chops and he was encouraged to improvise. He loved working on it.
@@inendlesspain4724 Look at the people running the major film studios. Look at where Hollywood is: the blue stronghold of California, and the particular area that Hollywood is in is notoriously blue. Hell, Vaush grew up there.
I have had a ton of respect for Hemsworth ever since Rush, which is in my top 5 all time films. He was amazing in the role. Good to see some of that seriousness from him.
An over 6 foot tall actor playing an F1 driver, who are not the tallest people in the world, is a stretch but well done.
@@nathansolo2605 James Hunt was over 6 foot. I'd be surprised if there was much difference in heights between him and Hemsworth. I don't know how tall Hemsworth is though
Thor L&T should have never been made. Them taking a character like Gorr and his story and turning it into a terrible live action mid 2000's cartoon was basically a huge f you to comic book fans.
Terrible mid 2000s cartoon
The 2000s were a much better decade than this
@Chase Hedges67 90s Spiderman Mary Jane tried to delete herself when Peter asked her to marry him.
Then again, I wonder if she would have splatted into a pile of water.
Yeah, Taika tore through so many epic Thor arcs from the comics and just turned them into the butts of jokes.
They already did that with butchering planet hulk. Will never forgive those cunts.
Gorr looked terrible in it.
I wouldn't say Reacher has any particular character arch, I've been reading those books for a long time and Reacher is still Reacher. Part of his appeal is the fact that he's already gone through his arch by the time the audience is introduced to him, he's pretty much fully developed from the off and it's the effect he has on the people around him that make the stories interesting.
I actually started watching the first season of Reacher. It's really cool so far.
Chuck Dixon said he didn't make stories about Batman or stories about the Punisher. He made action stories and put those characters in them.
There's a bit of a thread running thru reacher books and that's the fact that he gets slightly more exasperated every time. And older.
@@kutlumzrak2689 I didn't mind the guy they got to play him. I get through the first two episodes and I was like "oh okay then." I don't have Amazon Prime so I'm in no hurry.
Hopefully Chris continues to find success away from the M-She-U, I can actually see him playing a great Commissar or Space Wolf in a 40K film someday.
Sigh, you just made my day guy. Blood for the emperor! Skulls for the golden throne!
He would be perfect as either Primarch Leman Russ or Lion El´Johnson, in a Horus Heresy live-action adaption.
May the Emperor bless this comment!
@@doublep1980 Leman Russ can work for Helmsworth, the Lion can be played by Nikolai Waldau during the Horus Heresy and Charles Dance can play him in the 40K era.
@@WallyBChamp that sounds like heresy
the netflix daredevil series showed how a smaller scale with good character development can be far more effective
Page can burn in hell
Yep, masterpiece
And then we got "Daredevil as She-Hulk's arm-candy", because apparently no one at Disney knows when to tell a writer's room "no".
@@sterling7 which is why it is always better to hire actual writers and not mindless activists
I was more excited by Daredevil's stairwell fight scene than I have been with every CGI fight I have watched in the rest of the MCU.
In relation to the whole "multiverse stakes vs Street-level stakes" thing, the reason why Endgame worked is because we've spent 20+ movies with all the characters involved in that plot. Everyone that showed up in that final battle was a character we'd had several movies with. When Thanos threatened to destroy the universe, that was built up for the entire franchise and the stakes were all the characters we knew for a long time
And now _every_ villain seems to plan to destroy the _entire_ multiverse, because the writers have no idea about stakes.
@@EvilDoresh That constant escalation reminds me of DBZ.
@@EvilDoresh Mate, Vulture is a much better villain than most Marvel villains. Loki wanted to conquer Earth, not destroy it and that was the most grandiose his plans ever got. Most of them involved him trying to be King of Asgard. He actually succeeded once for awhile (Ragnarok) and there were no deaths because of it, but it still made him an interesting character who I wanted to see more of, unlike Wanda. She murdered scores of people just so she could successfully murder a teenager so she could accidentally destroy the entire multiverse by going to a different universe, killing the mother of children and kidnapping them
@@andrewdau1299 that's the exact reason I stopped liking the series. All of the villains were "universal" or "multiverse" level threats so I couldn't bring myself to give a f
MCU must've thought taking the same route was a good idea
Didn't work for me at all.
With Infinity War + Endgame you have an 5HOUR movie where half is the first couple movies revisited. And boring dialog, A LOT of boring, artificial-emotionally loaded dialog.
8:45 *Thank you for mentioning this moment.* Odin saying "I don't remember making you 'the god of hammers'" followed by a series of events leading to Thor descending onto a battlefield surrounded by a massive aura of lightning and wrecking the bad guys was the character's peak in the MCU.
I appreciate Hemsworth, he really, really tried to carry that movie. Guy is a hard-working actor.
I hope he has a long career, and one that doesn't require him to maintain that physique.
He’s got the best trainers & genetics in the world, his physique isn’t going anywhere soon
@@justadummy8076 He walks around a lot less jacked than he was for this movie. It's an open secret that actors juice (well, women like Natalie Portman get to have CGI). It causes permanent changes to their body, like the infamous 'bubble gut' (see Zac Efron).
@@Noodles.Doodles I don’t doubt that Hollywood actors are juicing, but it’s also possible to affect displayed muscle through dieting, if you’ve already built that muscle, all you have to do to show it off is to go through a cut phase
Not if you built with super human levels of testosterone and other chemical compounds. It’ll fade, and your natural levels are majorly affected at that point so sometimes they rebound down to a very small amount of muscle because of how little natural testosterone they have after doing so many cycles
@@justadummy8076 Most people can't build that kind of muscle in the first place, and bodybuilders know that you can't maintain "peak" for every long at all. Wrestlers and boxers diet too; athletes are aware of this. The thing is movie shoots can take weeks or months. Nobody is going to maintain their peak that long.
Drinker- “… that’s what you do as an actor. You can’t keep doing the same thing forever.”
Vin Diesel- “Hold my family.”
6:06 The sad thing is that Thor was the ideal character for Hemsworth since he was a serious character. The only problem is with Kevin Feige's horrible mismanagement of the character, which began following the success of the first Thor film. Film analyst at Marvel Studios noticed the popularity of both Hemsworth and Hiddleston with the female demographic that they insisted that they force them as much as they could. It started off small as Loki was originally intended to team up with Ultron for the first Avengers film, but Marvel wanted Whedon to dial it back so that more focus was on Loki, which Whedon agreed with but only because he felt that the cast was bloated and Ultron would've been too much.
The problem with Marvel's obsession with both Hemsworth and Hiddleston came in full force with Thor the Dark World where the intentions of Alan Taylor was to flesh out Malekith so the audience would understand his motivations while Loki was to only make a cameo. Marvel Studios ripped creative control from Taylor and instead of increasing the runtime to satisfy everyone, Marvel demanded that Taylor focus on having Loki and Thor together while Malekith was reduced to a generic, disposable baddie, which led to the film receiving mixed reviews and Alan Taylor expressing dissatisfaction with the finished film and blamed its mixed reception on changes Marvel Studios made during post-production, which he felt conflicted with his creative vision.
Instead of swallowing the humility pie and admitting they messed up big, Marvel saw the success with Guardians of the Galaxy and learned the wrong lessons from their work on Dark World. Instead of learning the lesson of allowing the director to have creative freedom with some oversight to make sure he doesn't go off the rails, they instead said to themselves "We need to make Thor like those Guardians films since people like that kind of stuff" despite the fact that Thor was like Captain America, being a mostly serious hero with a few jokes thrown in for good measure and as such, didn't mesh well with Thor. Taika Waititi pulled the wool over most people's eyes with Ragnarok, with people believing that Thor finally got his groove back, despite many Thor fans and even CZcams channels like Josiah Rises, Jeremy from Geeks and Gamers, Ryan Kinal and even the Critical Drinker hating it for it's over abundance of jokes that take away the serious moments of the film and the emotional tone because Taika lacks self-control. I can understand why so many liked it based on it's jokes but tonally, it was a mess. Much like what Episode 8 & 9 did to awake people to the fact that the Force Awakens wasn't good, Love and Thunder managed to do that for Thor but awaken people to the fact that Taika Waititi wasn't a proper person to direct a Thor film since his style of comedy doesn't mesh with the Thor formula. In short, Thor was the ideal character for Hemsworth to play. The problem comes from creative heads not understanding nor respecting the character of Thor Odinson. To this day, the only truly good Thor film was the first film, which captured the very essence of the Thor comics and the tone those stories told. It was an emotionally serious film but had enough comedy to hold people's attention as well as lighten the mood when the scene called for it.
So much this.
Didn't know about the Marvel Studios meddling with the director for Thor 2 - very interesting.
Thor deserved better.
Chris Hemsworth deserved better.
Let's be real here. If Dark World spent less time showing off the FX for The Convergence, it would've had more time to develop the characters and make us give a crap about them. Maybe also not waste time making that one character from the first movie and Avengers into a nutjob for a few cheap attempts at humor
As for Ragnarok, yeah, there were definitely times where things were made into jokes that should've just been serious, like Banner flopping onto the Bifrost instead of heroically turning into the Hulk like he was trying to do.
Agreed, Henry Cavill Superman unfortunately had the same issue. I think he really could have did it.
Ragnarok worked because it was a breath of fresh air. The humor style was still new and not the typical MCU playbook
@@MorganFreemansFavoriteFreckle Ragnarok worked because it was less of a slog compared to Dark World. That's it, really.
I’d argue the most serious Marvel has gotten was the Netflix TV series- Daredevil, Punisher, and Jessica Jones, specifically. And what do you know, everyone liked those!!!
Jessica Jones was garbage but punisher and daredevil were 🔥
@@inyourgranmaass3605 JJones S1 was the 2nd best Marvel ever got. DD S1 is top tier.
@@inyourgranmaass3605 Nah mate. JJ series 2 especially was great. Exciting and interesting characters, stakes, flaws. The relationship between JJ and her best friend. Marvellous TV.
Nice omission on Iron Fist. I could not finish that series, the protagonist was so unlikeable.
I got sad Daredevil ended so fast I had just found it and poof it's gone. Better then the movie at least. DD and Electra were such silly movies that people pretend didn't happen. That's probably why I was skeptical of Batfleck.
Chris Hemsworth is a great actor. Did you see Rush? The Ron Howard film? Excellent film. Underrated big time.
Rush is one of my favorites. Great human story of determination. Niki Lauda! Niki Lauda! 😂
The director of Ragnarock should get into designing vacuum cleaners...
I liked Ragnarök.
Ragnarok was great. They just dialed up the goofiness *way* too high for Love and Thunder.
@@LastBastian Ragnarok pissed all over its characters.
@@FINsoininen Those characters were previously about as interesting as warm piss. Ragnarok made them fun and interesting again.
@@LastBastian it was exactly the same shitshow as Love and Thunder. The dialed up goofiness is just turning a small turd to a big one.
There's got to be a happy medium between forcing Joss Whedon to shoehorn in so many phase 3 teases that it breaks him as a filmmaker, and giving Taika Waititi so much freedom that it breaks the rest of us
Good point. Should a movie be one director's singular vision...or should any film be made by committee? There must be a balance, somewhere.
@@evertonporter7887 Such a balance is very much doable. The key is to have *writers* doing *most* the writing and only let the directs make changes to fit their style or improve things a bit. There could be a continuity committee or something to keep it all straight, but that shouldn't change too much.
Drinker (to HeelsvsBabyface); "Are you tellin' me you're not excited about Iron Heart you bigot?"
HeelsvsBabyface: Takes off headset and bails. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I was hoping after showing dadbod Thor for a few minutes that the first time he used his powers, lightning would strike him and boom, he’d be back to the ripped Thor we all knew and loved. It would have been a way to get the “dadbod Thor” meme but then kill it, put it behind and get back to being serious again
Dadbod Thor fighting Zeus or something and getting his powers back would actually make the nude Thor bit work, funnily enough. First the stripping is to humiliate him for being fat/grotesque and then Zeus tries to strike him down with lighting and bam, restored Thor, making the other gods go from "ewww..." to "ooo"
The first Thor from 2011 was the best.
Chase Hedges67 It's my second favorite Thor film after Ragnarok(I like it but I get why folks hate it). Honestly, the only thing I do not like about the first Thor is the dutch angles. Remove that, and I'd like it a lot more.
@@Avarn388 The Dutch angles didn’t bother me.
@@chasehedges6775 Once or twice I was fine with but sometimes the outside shots back on earth bothered me. It's an aesthetic choice but one that I found was unnecessarily hammered to death. Other than that, it was a solid movie.
I agree
@@nmr7203 Iron Man: definitely
Cap: nah
It’s nice to hear Hemsworth admit it. Not that it does anything to untarnish an absolutely horrific take on what is a fantastic story arc/comic. Oh well. It was a good run, MCU
No, no no guys, Stark says "Move over, Lebowski" to him. They knew very well about The Dude.
Better make sure that the audience gets the reference, eh?
@@EvilDoresh better make sure Steve Rogers get it too...
You guys are greater entertainment than MCU and Disney will ever be anymore.
Low bar.
Drinker, I agree one hundred percent with your point about having one character to care about making a story worthwhile. I tired of this upping the ante from city to world to universe and then multiverse several movies ago. Moreover I don't care if anyone dies when I know it's a certainty that they will somehow be resurrected.
Resurrected, or recast as a younger, cheaper, more diverse actor with all the charisma of damp cheese.
I remember Chris said he wasn't comfortable removing his shirt in ragnarok, but Taika made him do it. I think he seemed a little put off after that. I would be tired of Marvel too at that point.
During a discussion with some friends about marvel, I think that we got it down to a perfect sentence to explain: they don't see any of their characters as characters, they see them as action figures.
Golden rule of movies - the more fun they have making it, the less fun the viewers have watching it
Dunno man, some of these "production hell" entries are pretty dull...
Yes, what we have now isn't entertainment, it's content. One is made to entertain, the other is made to fill a catalog.
The film was 119 minutes of sketches- Gorr the God Butcher my arse, more like Gorr the Vegetarian.
“We may have gone too far in a few places.”
Props to Az for contributing a well thought-out point regarding Hemsworth's worth.
The thumbnail 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Love the "eff this I'm out" Az moment
I just saw a 5 second ad, half way through your video, of dial of destiny and how, if you watch it, they will give you a free movie ticket. That is how you know the desperation has trickled down to the marketing department. 😂😂
The guy in the red shirt kinda looks like those are his arms at odd angles 😂
I see it 🤣
@@philipeanatsui6821 IKR?? Like if he just turned to the right a little bit it would almost perfectly lineup. Everytime Drinker has a fourth guest I'm going to see if the bottom-right guest matches up with the arms 💪😁👍
It's kinda sad how quickly these production companies forget film history and the bad of idea of giving too much control to someone who has made one Hollywood success. Heaven's Gate comes to mind, but there are plenty of other examples.
As one hobbit put it. “It’s about the journey”
2:42 - This comment is pretty on point.
There's also the issue of scale, too big and we stop tracking it properly in our heads.
There's an old joke about 3 barbers on the same street, with the first putting a sign out saying he's best in the town and getting great business. The second puts out a sign saying he's best in the country and he gets basically all the business. The third puts out a sign saying he's the best barber on that street.
There's only so big you can go before you get beaten by a much smaller story.
There have been some really good stories in the past, where in the end it's revealed the stakes are multiversal. Often this leads to conflict within the protagonist, who, like the audience, cannot possibly fully comprehend the sheer magnitude of the situation. They are forced to make a decision that seems counter to their personal goals, but do so with faith that it is the greater good. The best example I can think of right now is the flash choosing to let his mother die so that not only his timeline, but multiple tangential timelines can go through all the necessary events to form the correct justice league.
Good on Chris H. for coming out and rightfully acknowledging Love and Thunder's piss-poor quality; and truth be told, he honestly has nothing to apologize for because it's not like he was the one in charge of the film... if anything, that's all on Taika and probably a number of other major contributors to the film's creation who were to limp-dicked to butt in when Taika was going offtrack.
Drinker: "AZ, you bigot" 😂😂
Also; are you serious? Taika said he wanted to bring Natalie Portman into Star Wars?! 😂🤣💀
What they should've done in endgame with Thors character was going a even more serious path. Down to an… absolutely darker version of thor. Dealing with the heartship of loosing everyone, cutting himself off emotionally to become this cold, pragmatic leader of the rest of the Asgardiens. Transforming the Island of New Asgard into a fortified, futuristic/magical (Asgardien Tech) Military Base and turning it's people into highly trained soldiers, trying everyting to defend the last of his kind.
Imagine seeing that thor on screen. A broken man, cut off from everything that could harm him, imagine seeing this thor meeting the rest of the avengers again or fighting Thanos at the end… regaining his humanity and heart over the course of the movie.
The Drinker did a Drinker Fixes clip with this premise and it sounded so much better. It would also make the themes they wanted to deal with in Love and Thunder (Thor learning to accept love again) so much more compelling for the character arc. You could see him start to open a bit to Jane and have to confront the fact he will lose her and do it without losing himself to being closed off.
Plus, nobody HAS to dispatch with the PTSD element of Thor's behavior. Depressive avoidance PTSD is only one form of it. Hyperindividualistic non-reliance to an extreme without letting anyone know triggering moments and such is another way it manifests. It would have been so much more dramatically fulfilling to see those moments interfere in Endgame in Dark Thor's character. It was a huge missed opportunity.
Unlike TV, like the X-Files for example, where entire episodes can have fun, movies are a different ballgame when creating a sequel.
TBF, Jane Foster's "Lady Thor" character arc could have made for a powerful story. But, "modern audiences"
If they fleshed it out right and let serious moments be serious, it could have been great. I almost think they need to just remake Love and Thunder and do it right this time.
"I'll ruin your mythos in a minute, baby" - Taika Waititi
The thing Marvel messes up is that they need to make the stakes “the fate of the universe” then proceed to one up that every film.
The stakes can still be a local area or someone’s life. They don’t need it to always be this massive epic.
Taika Waititi, I dont know much about him other than he started out directing independent movies and then he "sold out" and became part of the Hollywood system and now makes bad movies. His first movie "Eagle vs Shark" was sort of a Napoleon Dynamite ripoff but it was still great.
_Hunt for the Wilderpeople_ is good. And _JoJo Rabbit_ was excellent. He was probably careful because of the sensitive subject matter. But then it seems the praise made him arrogant. So when given free rein on a more lighthearted film, he let loose with every silly idea that struck him.
Hemsworth is underated. He's got a great range. Watch a movie called Spiderhead, he does awesome there!
Taika: directors need to be in check!
Me: who kept you in check sir?! 🗿
'LOL what if we said POO' had me rolling
I was actually thinking... I wonder how actors go along with bad movies. But I am happy to be on the side of the actors after the fact. They just do what they are told. I don't blame Chris Hemsworth for a bad movie.
Chris is not returning as Thor because of his risk of developing Alzheimer's. He is kind of retired now and wants to spend more time with his family
Awesome choice he could make, really.
He's not retired, he's just taking a break. From what I understood, he doesn't want to play Thor if he has to play the same superficial character because playing a dumb, superficial character wouldn't help with his alzheimer issue which is a funny comment when you think about it.
@@Maggbba If he really is in the process of phasing out of acting I hope he'll get the chance to do a nice, serious role before he decides to fully retire (whatever the reason, hopefully never from Alzhiemers). It would suck for his acting career to be bookend by L&T Thor. He's a good actor and deserves a strong cap to his career.
To the "Lebowsky" topic. They even drop "Hot Tub Time Machine" and Sebastian Stan is in (this I didn't know at the time, it was in Ryan George's Pitch Meeting).
taika waititi sort of intentionaly brought back the sense of irony and distain for the superhero genre, i wouldn't be surprised if we go back to superhero movies that feels like batman and robin again
Both him and his kids are fairly based. Oh…. And they don’t live in California. Coincidence?
A good story is like a good romantic evening - you don't just strip and start going at it, instead, you take your time to first set the mood, work on each other and gradually make your way to the physical intimacy until you're both fully primed and ready to rock in earnest, thus resulting in a rewarding experience which allows you to then cuddle up together and fall asleep, fully content, in each other's arms.
These writers must have miserable "wham, bam, thank you ma'am" grade sex lives which last all of five minutes, after which each person goes back to playing on their smart phones based off of how they write.
🤔 interesting analogy
The infinity War scene where Asgard is gone and thor is talking to Racoon about being 1500 years old and having "killed just as many bustards". That solidly reminded you there is a proud, brave hero underneath the frat boy silliness of Ragnarok.
I get that audience found the proto-shakspearian aspects of the first thor rather dry but if thor 5 happens it'd be nice if they took the character a LITTLE bit seriously.
End Game killed my love for Marvel. The thing that did it was Thor. He had turned into my favourite character from all that I had seen and to see him becoming nothing more than comedic relief truly showed me that Disney didn't care about the character so why should I?
Sony has made a diverse cast of likable and relatable heroes who are all the same hero 🙄. But Marvel can’t do it with the entire catalogue 😂
Yes, Chris Hemsworth has $130 million, and he can always get roles elsewhere. He can say what he wants.
Infinity War Thor in Wakanda was peak
Is there a way of linking back to the original episode of this?
I know im in the minority but i actually liked the concept of a fat thor and thought it fit the character very well. This is someone who was brought up to be untouchable but just keeps loosing everything first mom, then dad, then home then brother, then is responsible for unimaginable death and suffering by either making a bad call or just being unlucky in the throw. To me it would make perfect sense he would be going through some ptsd. Now i do wish they didn’t make so many jokes with it, maybe making it a bit more tragic. But in concept, I thought it was a solid way to go.
Now love and thunder, no excuses it was awful
Couldn't get further from the source material.
The actual God.
Say what you will about Dark World, but at least it took itself seriously. It didn't make an embarrassment out it's main character.
There is some more of the Expanse being made too and as AZ said these also were characters with nuanced history and flaws and issues and things they were after and wanted to do but struggled to get them etc.
Thank you for the video. Commenting for the Algorithm.
if you paid close enough attention Chris was talking about how he was treated by Taika during the third Thor movie.
It’s a shame they undressed Thor, both literally and figuratively, from a strong character we looked up to, to a pathetic shell of the superhero we grew up loving. You would never catch DC doing that to Wonder Woman or Marvel to Black Widow. Imagine the backlash….
Well, Marvel did that unintentionally to Black Widow through that abortion of a movie, and Wonder Woman became a rapist in her sequel, but they were made by feminists for feminists so all of the evil and stupidity is excused because it makes the women watching feel empowered even if it's all bloviating falsehood.
Marvel loves tearing down Thor especially because he's a blond man from a mythology created by white people. And they hate white people with a seething passion.
No way he can mock it as much as it deserves. 🐐
How do I watch the full episode to these? Feels like I start one, then lose it, then start seeing clips
Ragnarok was tone deaf. Great story line turned in to a comedy.
Taika Waititi got famous working with Germaine Clement and when he's not working with Germaine, we can see where the talent in that duo actually lies.
Hint: It's Germaine Clement
Aaaand when he's not working with Germaine we get Boy, Hunt for the Wilderpeople, JoJo Rabbit... What are you talking about???
I want my Tor back, and Oden, and Loke, and Valkyrie, and....😉
Greetings from a Swede in Glasgow, Scotland....🤜🏻🤛🏻🍻
I really enjoy that big-headed guy in the upper right corner from New Zealand. Good man
What do you expect from a director who calls himself kaka poopoo pipi ?
He's a Clown for 10 year olds turned director.
Says all you need know about the mental state the american AAA-film Industry is in since this millenium.
I’ll never forgive Marvel for what they did to Thor and The Hulk in Endgame.
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Taika Waititi and Rian Johnson: Masters of the Cinematic Art of Huffing Your Own Farts.
Winter Soldier is my fav MCU movie. I think it's what got me into MCU, this & Civil War. The more MCU got all overly fantastical with the multiverse the more they've lost me.
I highly reccomend the daredevil and punisher series for a much more grounded marvel experience.
Honestly, Winter Soldier is top of my list. It’s been so long since we had a movie like THAT.
Civil War is the best Avengers-Movie (without actually being one) because it had very strong and emotionally loaded villains...themselves.
Thanks for recommendations. Are those Netflix series?
Wish the movies followed the first Thor movie
DarkHour being superimposed over that character in the background makes him look like he's wearing a Star Trek DS9 uniform.
The fact that they made Thor feel like a sidekick even in his own movie pisses me off.
4:07 "he was not happy with direction of Thor"
No wonder when its Marvel
Current Marvel. Old Marvel was better
It's almost like some pandering idiots took over when the original creator left the scene.