Drinker's Chasers - Blue Beetle: The Movie Nobody Wants
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- čas přidán 18. 08. 2023
- So Blue Beetle comes out this week, and it seems like the response from the entire world is... "Who cares?"
Is this movie destined to be DC's biggest flop yet? - Zábava
Who remembers the days when we where genuinely excited for the latest Superhero movie! Long gone now 😔
I remember. Such a sad reality
Yes, when X-Men The Last Stand came out I was still excited. A cast with mature adults and a compelling story, not these upstarts who haven't earned roles like this plopped in front of us who have nothing to offer.
It's just a diluted market now. There are too many superhero movies and they're all way too similar and bereft of identity. It's so fucking boring.
@@hasselett That's the long and short of it. In the past, people watched superhero movies because when they went into the cinema, they were expecting a good mixture of action, comedy, and an interconnected universe with consistently evolving characters. The suits looked at this, and only saw "People like movies with super-powered people and lots of CGI destruction, that's the ticket!", and have been trying to milk the audience based on their misunderstanding while ignoring the actual reasons why the genre became popular.
gotg 3, spider-verse
Blue Beetle isn’t even an original DC property; it is a legacy from when DC bought Charlton Comics.
And even this version is a top to bottom rip off of a manga character called The Guyver.
And Charlton re-imagined a Golden Age hero who was a police officer in chainmail armor.
@@bad-people6510 And Guyver is way better because it features gruesome graphic violence.
@@bad-people6510oh my God, this is so true because Guyver basically as the same biomechanical suit man vs evil corpo.
@@bintjbeil7892 It's the exact same origin, the exact same powers, and a very similar look. Even their enemies are very similar.
I think Blue Beetle might have had a chance if DC had known what they were doing, the character has actually had some moderate success in the comics and through being a significant side character with good adaptations to animation, both Batman: The Brave and the Bold and Young Justice.
I actually did have some initial interest in the movie, but what killed that interest was:
1) The "Batman is a Fascist" line from the trailer
2) The attempt to promote the movie on racial grounds
3) That the Beetle suit itself was using a 'happy, friendly, encouraging' personality rather than the bloodthirsty killer war machine psychopath personality that Young Justice used so well
4) That DC is just an ugly dumpster fire overall right now
The movie may have had a chance in concept, but in practice DC did everything wrong.
I couldn't get through the first 40 minutes
I just remember watching endgame and thinking "Yeah, this is the peak. It's all downhill from here." Say what you want about endgame, but the finale of it felt earned, at least. It was a decade of buildup, and seeing just about every movie represented in that final fight felt special. From someone who had been watching it since phase 1, it felt like a great ending to one of the biggest risks that a film studio has ever taken. I consider phase 4 apocrypha.
Kind of like the end of "It's a Wonderful Life", where every character who played a part in the story has a walk-on and contributes to the happy ending. After that, the story is done. There's nothing more to say, and we don't WANT anyone to keep talking. We want to leave with our nicely-wrapped present in our hands, and head home happy.
IW was the peak for me. End Game was good, don't get me wrong but you have to remember the M She U crap was tested in that movie and Disney have ran full speed into a brick wall with it ever since.
@@RichSmithson Yeah, it stuck out like a sore thumb, but the movie itself besides that is honestly pretty fun. I wasn't bothered by fat thor, it was a bit over the top but I honestly liked it, because it showed how damaged Thor was. He didn't think he had anyone left who he needed to be protector for. All of his family was dead, and his he'd known for thousands of years were gone.
The stuff with Hawkeye was great, and the finale was a great set-piece to get everyone in the fight in a meaningful way. People didn't like the alternate timeline thanos but it was a decent way of the movie having its cake and eating it too, so they could use the more classic thanos design and have his children show up to fight. The only thing I wished they'd done was set up some properties between infinity war and endgame so we could have gotten more in that period of time, we got far too little of that five year gap to soak in.
The time travel plot, character assassination of Thanos, and M She U crap made Endgame suck for me. Infinity War is where I end the good MCU.
Endgame sucked . Infinity War was the end for me . Thanos just should of won
I like how new films are flopping before they’re even released.
Dead on Arrival
It's got 91% audience score on rotten tomatoes, which is weird if it's not released properly.
That's how recycled the writing has become
indeed
If the directors, actors, etc., would learn to shut the hell up, it might help.
I felt the "hero fatigue" right after the Infinity War arch, after Endgame I was done with superhero movies and since then none of the superhero movies caught my attention.
Same. I tried watching some new Marvel stuff after taking a break, but good lord, it's so boring.
The only superhero movies I've watched after Infinity War has been the 2 Spiderman movies, none of the rest have appealed.
Endgame marked the end of a decade, and goodbye to the snarky (Stark'y) humour worked for us when we were 10 years younger. But between the existing movies and streaming services at home, I don't want to spend £10 per head to take my kids to see something we've seen before, repackaged and making me feel like a mug.
is it super hero fatigue or terrible movie fatigue? I'll always watch a superhero movie if it's not garbage.
Endgame... ewwww....👎🏼
Funny thing about Blue Beetle. In the 80s there was a manga called The Guyver: Bio-boosted Armour which was about a teenager who was forcibly infected with an alient parasite that gave him super cool armour, an array of weapons, superhuman strength, and an autopilot whenever the hosts life was in danger and is hunted by an evil megacorporation who want the armour for themselves.. Jaime Reyes (who is also a character in the video game Deus Ex) was introduced in 2006. Save your money, watch The Guyver instead.
The Guyver was so awesome.
It's a shame Guyver never got the story concluded
Guyver was also brutal AF, heads exploding all over the place. Win win :P
I just watched it and the family arc is near on 3/4 of the movie and the rest was just corny and ultimately shite.
0 out of 10 for me.
In the comment section of the trailer. It is full of people who have seen it and they all love it. It shows how many people are actually gone and the system has got into their minds.
The world is lost because as us older ones are all gone, all that will be left are the zoomers who’s minds have been trained to consume and enjoy whatever is put in front of them.
@@MasterBlaster3545 have you considered that there may be bots and deletion of negative comments going on? Amazon did this with RoP.
Between superhero movies and fantasy adaptations , I've rediscovered a love for turning off my TV and doing literally anything else
based. i actually went back to reading books bc of all the garbage that has just been shoved down our throats for the last 5 years
If it wasn't for you guys talking about it, I wouldn't even know this movie existed. Says a lot about the marketing and the faith DC has in it.
Exactly… I didn’t see a single ad and no one I know ever mentioned this movie.
I am pretty sure that no one I know knows that this movie exists.😂
Same. Literally haven't heard a single word about this until this video.
Where are the blacks?no diversity
I guess DC decided to cut the losses by keeping the marketing budget low.
I think the studio is resigned to it bombing, has been that way for a while, and is content to just let the "free" advertising of activists baiting the fans and pampered production staff begging to be noticed for checking the right boxes be enough. Instead of cutting any more checks.
Guardians of The Galaxy became a whole film saga that performed consistently well despite the fact that the whole ensemble of characters were virtually unknown. Its not the characters that are the problem its the way the studios are telling and marketing these stories. I actually really liked Morbius from being introduced to him in Spider-Man the Animated Series and wouldve loved to see him get his own film. That interest died for me when they cast Jared Leto.
Yeah but remember they were intertwined with the whole MCU and Thanos thing too. So it was almost required reading to keep up with the story that was being laid out. I'm not saying they're bad movies but just that you would have missed a lot if you didn't see them. If a GOTG movie had come out years ago outside the framework of the already existing MCU then it likely would have bombed. Though I will say that the original GOTG movie is one of my favorites in the MCU. They tried that "required reading" trick with Captain Marvel too but I think people were wise to it at that point. Same with Ant Man but that was earlier in the timeline. All three are characters most people didn't know or care about.
Yeah I feel u on the Leto casting, what are on ur thoughts on Tom hardy and venom? I like Tom hardy a lot but for venom was bad.
Guardians became what Disney Star Wars should have been.
@@ElBearsidente Uhhhhh what?
@@moonknight4053 I didn't mind Tom Hardy as Eddie Brock - but then again I don't know his character too well. I do think the Venom movies were terribly written though and Tom Hardy was the only thing that made them bearable.
I did have hopes for this movie. I was introduced to Blue Beetle in Batman The Brave and the Bold, and he was portrayed as a Peter Parker-esque Latino kid who has the powers to fight alongside Batman but is still learning how to be a hero and living up to the legacy of the Blue Beetle’s before him. But yeah, there’s been little marketing on this film.
I need more Guy Ritchie movies in my life. I won't even pay attention to a super hero movie anymore.
There's a loads of new ones on Prime from Guy Ritchie. Not Gentleman quality but still good.
Angel Manuel Soto: *mocks the fans over the insult at Batman and revels in it*
Also Angel Manuel Soto: *begs the fans to watch Blue Beetle and make it a box office hit*
I just can’t believe that the fans don’t want to see their favorite hero getting insulted
As a huge Batman fan, I'm pretty okay with the joke. It's really not that deep saying Batman is a fascist. Affleck's Batman is pretty much like that I guess 😂
@@15Candles🤓
it wasn't an insult - it's just an observant fact. Batman is a fascist.
@@15CandlesI agree. also, the character was a conspiracy theorist who shouldn’t have been taking seriously about his remark.
Imagine if the Iron man suit was venom but with out the personality and you get Blue Beetle's suit.
And the movie's just as schlocky as Venom's.
I thought it was more like "Baby's first Guyver"
@@jlev1028 Venom was slightly better as Venom and Eddie have a buddy comedy team up feel while the beetle is a boring voice without personality
the bigger shame is the cutting out of the very long legacy of the Blue Beetle mantle that's kind core to the third Blue Beetle's entire story
I would’ve just said “Teen Green Lantern” given his powers are ideas manifested into reality.
I've already forgot about Blue Beetle. That said, having lived and read through the "golden era of comics" and the first explosion of independent publishers in the 80s and 90s, my favorite Marvel Characters From Childhood, were Iron Man, Hulk, Spidey, Thor and Dr Strange. So Spider Man and Iron Man being some of the first made me happy. BUT, it was Robert Downey Jr that made those movies explode.
Sad part is I actually am a fan of the Blue Beetle. Jaime is a fun character but part of that is his inexperience and the established heroes that support him. Without guys like Booster Gold in this setting I really doubt how well this could have gone since the original pitch meeting.
I would have preffered a Young Justic movie with him as part of a larger cast then a movie starring just him. Maybe they were hoping for their own version of Iron Man, to kick everything off? Their mistake was not having good writing and an established charismatic actor to kick it off.
Wow wow wow.. wow
I've noticed that too many of these movies are deemed "Blockbuster" by fiat, rather than performance. It's basically declaring itself the winner before running in the race.
A "Blockbuster" is characterized by great financial success ... so maybe, I don't know ... SUCEED before declaring victory.
A blockbuster is more to do with the production company involved and the budget allocated to creating it, as oppose to box office results. A movie from a small production company that does well is not a blockbuster, SAW is a great example.
Pretty much. Saying a movie is a blockbuster doesn't have anything to do with success anymore. Maybe at one point it did, but now it just indicates its budget level.
@@fattiger6957Yeah, sadly it falls in line with "Award Winning Actor" ... it loses any prestige when the actors are the ones giving themselves rewards.
Even so-called "People's Choice" awards are just allocated by the "People" within the industry.
I guess "fake it till you make it" is the Hollywood standard, and if you go against the group you get blacklisted and defamed.
I feel the same way about the misuse and overuse of the word Blockbuster. Movies these days are called blockbusters before they're even made or released and sometimes still called that after their failure. It's a complete misunderstanding of the definition of the word. I myself have mentioned this in several videos in recent times. I drives me nuts.
Its called gaslighting. Hollywood have down in spades.
All it really needs to do is take the buddy cop formula and apply it to a superhero movie, considering that Blue Beetle and Booster Gold are very much a bro pair in the comics. That teamup of two d-list heroes, each fairly insecure in their own right and looked down upon by the other superheroes, could in theory give them something solidly unique to work with, and give an uplifting kind of story as they prove themselves to be more than just a rich boy with fancy gadgets and a petty future thief.
But it's just gonna be generic superhero crap.
That's a great idea that could actually work.
That's a fun idea but different Blue Beetle
I like that idea. The old animated Justice league series had a lot of episodes where it paired a lot of non OP heroes together. Question and Huntress, Arrow and Canary, etc
@@AngelicCrimsonDragon This partnering is the kind of thing that everyone loved in Infinity War.
Or Blue Beetle and The Question, because they used to hang around with each other a lot.
To be fair, it's actually not that bad an idea to do such a movie with a relative unknown hero. It allows the creator to be a lot more flexible and you can more easily ignore the movie in a cinematic universe if it doesn't work.
The DCU probably would have been a lot more successful if they had used some of their B-List characters. Instead of firing their best load immediately with making Superman and Batman.
The ignore lore anyway, so it's doesn't matter.
As a kid Batman:Brave and the Bold was huge for me and my absolute FAVORITE was Blue Beetle followed by Plastic Man. And I always wanted a Blue Beetle Movie but as soon as I saw the trailer all my hopes flew out the goddamn window.
I got introduced to Blue Beetle in the Young Justice series, they had a whole arc around it's origins
Great show
@@Drawnartisttbh, only the first season was good
I think the Blue Beetle character featured in a single episode of Smallville. I had just assumed they created the character for the episode as I had never heard of them before or after.
@@tonygreenfield7820Along with Ted Kord and Booster Gold.
My introduction to Blue Beetle was in Batman: The Brave and The Bold cartoon show.
Diversity is a shield that current day writers hide behind. They're sh* t at writing so instead the scream, Look at how clever & diverse we are.
Diversity is itself shit and self serving...That's why in england the windrush generation keep on saying ''we bought vibrancy to england'' ie nothing.
And pay us more
I don't think they use diversity anymore, it's usually representation now.
shit*
That’s true, much like the rainbow flag. They all hide behind that too. I’m so over it in everything!!
I must say, the Critical Doggo makes some very good points during this segment.
No offense, but this is a movie I wanted. It’s nice as a Mexican American to finally see a superhero that looks like me on the big screen. I’ve always loved Jaime Reyes as Blue Beetle. As a DC fan, we need more DC superheroes to get a spotlight than just Batman and Superman.
May I ask (legit question, I am interested to know) why do you find the look and ethnic origin of the superhero particularly important? Is it because of the often not exactly flattering representation of Mexicans in Hollywood big movies, so that a Mexican superhero would make a welcome change for once?
Asking this because as an Italian according to movie we are all either gangsters or restaurant owners, and I am not aware of any hero (if we a exclude a plumber who is a Japanese parody of an Italian).
@@ROMANTIKILLER2 I don’t find it particularly important. I’m not looking for diversity in every single film project. While there are other Hispanic superheroes out there, they’re not being shown the live action treatment until this film. Only in DC animation are there more diverse characters being used. Blue Beetle was given a more prominent role in Young Justice, which is my favorite portrayal to date. Injustice 2 and the DC Animated Movie Universe versions were good as well. Seeing someone who looks like me shouldn’t matter in the long run but it does. That’s why Black Panther was a mega success and Miles Morales exposure has amped up since 2018 after the success of the Insomniac games and the Spider-Verse movies. Positive representation in major superhero adaptations go a long way. Peter Parker and Matt Murdock are my favorite characters and it has nothing to do with them being white. It has everything to do with both of them being guys I can relate to. Jaime Reyes is also someone I can relate to and it’s a nice bonus he looks more like me and other guys I grew up with.
@@Crimson28 Got it. That makes sense, thanks for elaborating.
Blue Beetle completely captures my disinterest.
We could’ve had Booster Gold trying to save Ted Kord’s life.
True, but in their mind Jaime is the easiest route. He is young, has an alien suit with lots powers, is Latino, so in their mind he is an easier sell to audiences than Ted.
The main selling point: "It's about family. His whole family joins in the fight."
Okay, so Shazam.
Fast and Furious*
Tbf, for Shazam it was more of a twist.
And Blue Beetle's family helps even without powers.
@@matteomastrodomenico1231 It's still thematically the same.
I loved the old Blue Beetle comics. Found a whole bunch in an old hole-in-the-wall bookstore. Bought every one I could find and read them as soon as I got home. I would have loved a Blue Beetle movie about fifteen years ago.
Now? I'm good. I don't want this Hollywood to make it.
I saw this myself yesterday and I'm sorry to say that it just wasn't a very good film. It feels like The George Lopez Show featuring The Blue Beetle. There are also some very insufferable lines attempting to be snuck in under the radar. The disappointing thing is that they did not give the lead of the film a chance to shine. He seems to be a fine actor with what he was given, but he wasn't given very much. He doesn't overcome anything, he doesn't come up with an ingenious plan to solve a difficult problem he's just "hero kid who likes his family". Susan Sarandon was particularly awful in this and the director's inexperience was obvious. The big names probably walked all over him.
Gerorge Lopez 15 minutes of fame were done about 14 minutes ago. He needs to go away. Not entertaining anymore.
I'm told that the guy in the beetle suit makes not only wrong but deadly decisions at almost every opportunity. To make his family important, they have to make him beyond incompetent into outright stupid.
Xolo Maridueña is too good to be in garbage superhero movies.
I first fell in love with Blue Beetle because of Batman the Brave and the Bold, love the character and good times
I watched the episode last night and I wasn't impressed. Due to the strength of the armor they had to nerf his intelligence in order to even have a plot. The only thing that kept me going was the adorable amoeba people.
It was immediately followed up by Plastic Man who was so much more fun and interesting as a character. His power is more or less the same (make anything you can imagine), but he can't lose it and he doesn't have flight. So he had to be far more resourceful on top of having a pre-established arc as a former criminal.
Same
So the suit can make anything he imagines? Isn't that Green Lantern and his ring?
Not really think more marvel symbiote/green lantern/power ranger
I’ve heard of Blue Beetle only because the hero of Jim Butcher’s Dresden Files novels, Harry Dresden (a private detective who’s also a fairly powerful wizard, in a Chicago where most people haven’t heard of wizardry or anything related and don’t believe in it when they do), drives a VW he calls Blue Beetle though it’s not blue. He has to explain that the name’s a comic book reference TO EVERY CHARACTER WHO ASKS, because nobody else has heard of Blue Beetle! Butcher seems sure that most readers haven’t heard of Blue Beetle either.
I'd completely forgotten that reference. I need to reread those books.
Across the spiderverse and GotG vol3 prove that superhero movies can still do great. It's not superhero fatigue, it's bad writing fatigue.
Didn't need to scroll far to find it lmao. Thanks for telling me how I feel about... "Superheroes" 😂
Maybe we should call it "Strong Woman" fatigue?
At this point is more of a “Bad writing Epidemic”
@@MyShiroyukibruh there ain't even a "strong woman" character in Blue Beetle, stop spamming this shit
Spider-verse distinguishes itself quite significantly by virtue of being animated. And whilst the Guardians films are part of the MCU, they're more space opera than superhero movie. Bad writing is definitely killing the genre though.
You know. Sometimes you gotta fall down to learn to walk. But how many times DC gonna fall down?
They could have used their animated movies as templates. Those were good.
@@levongevorgyan6789 They could have. But they didn't. UGH!
What's sad is I actually liked Blue Beetle growing up and they picked a great actor for him, but I just never saw any trailers until I went to the theatre the other week
Blue Beetle in Young Justice is a great character, he has the power to enslave humanity and has to struggle with the inner conflict of knowing what he could become.
I expect they're emphasizing the Latino cast because _"Sound of Freedom"_ has been doing so well and has a lot of Latino actors. Note that _"Sound of Freedom"_ did not *advertise* itself as a Latino movie.
Some Trivia from IMDB:
1) The film was originally set to be exclusive for Max (formerly HBO Max), but it was granted a theatrical release.
2) DC Studios CEO James Gunn (who was hired after the film's production) stated that while the film is set in the DC Extended Universe, it is ultimately "disconnected" from the universe.
3) The first DC movie based on a character who debuted in comics in the 21st century. Jaime Reyes debuted in Infinite Crisis #3 (Feb. 2006).
This Blue Beetle has been around for over a decade.
@@anotherthing - Yes, 2006 is more than a decade ago. Very perceptive.
Fun part is, SoF used Latino actors because they knew they are way cheaper than white actors, so what does that say about Blue Beetle? Probably not the message DC wants to send.
Blue Beetle debuted in Mystery Men #1 in August of 1939. Using the 3rd person to don the mantle to pretend he's a new character is pretty disingenuous.
@@MrDj232 - Thanks for the extra info, although I'm not sure what you mean in the second sentence. The three points I listed there were copied from the page at IMDB, since I don't know the history of any of the comics.
Who's using the 3rd person? Me? Disingenuous for me to copy info from an IMDB page? I even said that was where I got the info from! (it's not like I was pretending that I knew the info myself).
I actually thought the first bit of trivia _(that I copied)_ was the most interesting. If it's true that this started out as a HBO-Max exclusive, that might explain why there has been relatively little publicity for it.
Surprised they didn't edit the title to Brown Beetle
Beetle of Color!
@@asantesamuel13but if we call him colored beetle it's racist
@@srb2591 Yes you're right, they're so different 😁
Mexican here, i just wanna comment that, here in Mexico, the Blue Beetle became as sort of a meme like Morbius. It was a meme to spam "Blue Beetle August 18th only in Theaters" on social media and that it was gonna make a Beetlellion Dollars, when nobody really cared and everyone knew nobody was gonna see it. So yeah, at least here in Mexico, the Latinos didn't give a fuck about this "latino led" movie
The idea of the Blue Beetle character is not so bad, I like that he can't control the suit, it has it's own personality. It's interesting.
The problem, though, is we already have a character who falls under that category: Venom, who's films are more mature and funny. Plus it didn't have to call a well-known hero a fascist for force humour.
@@mkno2799exactly, plus the whole 2nd act of Spiderman Homecoming where he's trying to figure out his suit
@globesurfer122 exactly, Gunn wanted to a story about a D-lister hero. He should have chosen the original beetle and Booster Gold.
@@mkno2799who cares if there's already venom. What matters is the execution. And I think DC will fumble this one too.
We can have more than one character like this. This is a kid with an alien battlesuit that thinks it's in war and everyone is an enemy. It's interesting to see the kid try to force the suit to be a hero, rather than just slaughter everything that moves.
We all complain when they race-swap beloved old characters. "Make a new character!" we say.
Well they did. The problem is the people making the movie are more concerned with the way they will be perceived, rather than with making a good movie for fans.
Critical Doggo has given a constructive review about Blue Beetle movie and it was very enlightening.
A real visionary! 🎉
@@asantesamuel13 the only visionary thing here was this joke. Truly groundbreaking humour, never seen anything like it
I’m starting to think critical doggo isn’t sleeping
Blue beetle is bad. The villain stops being a Villain because he realizes "OH IM ALSO LATINO, YOUVE REMINDED ME OF WHO I AM, I'm sorry I killed your dad" and it ends.
Tell me you didn’t watch the movie without telling me you didn’t watch the movie. If you didn’t like it that’s fine but it’s stupid to lie just to get some likes
Latino is literally a made up designation by the usa immigration department for people from Spanish speaking countries. Literally all " latinos have in common is they grew up speaking Spanish.
No... Omac stopped being a villain because he realized who were the responsibles for killing his mom, he never apologized for killing his dad as he never did that.
You really didn't watched the movie.
And the main villain was the Kord woman.
Lol just say you are racist.
@@barthomero721you are chucking the racist card and it means nothing. The system has infiltrated your mind. I pity you.
@@thecreationpackThat was basically how it was so he did not lie. One of the worst movies ever.
I just came back from the movie theater. I think it was a decent movie. But the fact that this was shown in a smaller room instead of the main one it does say a lot about how much confidence WB has.
"Nobody knows blue beetle"
I only know of him, from the Injustice 2 game. But then I hear that Jaime, is only the 3rd iteration. So I'm like, "He's kinda cool, I guess."
Then I looked up blue beetle in the CZcams comic buffs. Like comicstorian and comics explained and Variant comics.
To learn that, he has the potential to be an awesome character.
Because in one comic story line. The beetle himself, has the power to either dominate worlds, or destroy worlds.
Even in the Injustice 2 game, Batman reserves Blue Beetle, and Firestorm, as last resorts. Because they can both potentially destroy the Earth, if not kept in check.
So, you find out. That in one of the comic story lines. Blue Beetle (the creature), was found to be in dereliction of his orders to take over or destroy the Earth, by his homeworld.
I'm like. Um.... You don't get this, at all. From any T.V. show, nor Injustice 2.
I read they based some of the fight choreography in the movie on the fight moves from Injustice 2.
Wait until Suicide Squad Isekai becomes the most popular DC instalment of the year it comes out.
No flocks of people ran to see Black Panther. In fact there are lot's of videos of Wakanda live action dancers up front performing to empty theaters. It's the movie that got the Disney buying up seats with Fandango which Disney ALSO owns conspiracy. You could call that a theory but I've in person spoke to theater managers and they say. No it's NOT normal for 95% seats bought online 100% NO shows for those purchases.
I knew it was happening, then forgot, then I was reminded, then forgot. And you reminded me and I almost forgot during this stream.
Isnt the main character of this movie, the main teen from Cobra Kai? So its not like hes completely unknown. Miguel is one of my favorite characters in that show, and I like the actor that plays him.
I liked Blue Beetle in Batman Brave and The Bold.
"How do you decide which pieces you keep and which you don't?"
They're basically repeating one of the main issues with the NEW 52, their massive 2011 reboot of their comic book line - except you had book series like _Green Lantern_ which were barely affected by it, and most major past events _still_ happened but it's usually hard to tell _how_ because of the stuff they actually _did_ reboot.
I'm pretty sure not even the _writers_ fully knew which past events where actually still canon (and to what extent).
I knew these cinematic superhero universes would eventually walk the same Path as the comics, with multiverses and reboots that Destroy the continuity.
@@xadalau9758 TBF the DC cinematic universe never worked to begin with, since they always kept fiddling around out of panic and/or inability to have a clear vision.
@@EvilDoresh Of course I knew that the DCU was a shitshow to begin with, but rebooting and making tons of stand-alone movies Will only make their universe much less compelling than It already was. They are basically showing that continuity, in my view the backbone of a shared universe, doesn't matter and makes the new films seem unimportant.
He got his powers through the mail. Like all classic superhero tropes.
The fatigue isn’t about superhero movies. It’s about superhero formula fatigue. They just simply refuse to address the characters as their own entities with their own flavor. There’s an amazing richness to the worlds of DC and Marvel and they distill it down to the same LCD for general audience bullshit every time. They totally squander the amazing wealth of diversity (in storytelling/styles) that is available to them. It would actually give them real legs for continuing movies but in true Hollywood fashion, they’ll burn it out for a quick buck with no care for actual storytelling. FWIW to the guys in the video, yes we know who Blue Beetle is and a BB movie could be awesome….could be.
After it bombs at the box office, George Lopez will claim the audience was racist & didn't want to see a Hispanic superhero.
GL the first "Mexican" to do everything. Just ask him, he'll tell ya! Fun Fact: GL was born in LA not Mexico.
I'm Chicano and i dont give a fudge about this woke movie. Totally forced
I can't believe not only how many of these movies they are making with minor characters, but how many of these characters exist in obscure comics.
far more than you can possibly imagine. I'd say maybe only 10% of all comic book characters that have ever been made are even remotely successful on even the smallest level. they could be making these movies for 100 years and still not run out of characters even if they never make another new one.
If you want to see something closer to the original Blue Beetle before DC ruined the character, re-watch Watchmen (the movie, not the series) and look at Nite Owl. Alan Moore based him on Blue Beetle. BB is one of the characters that DC inherited in the 80s after buying out the old Charlton Comics. Moore wanted to explore those characters in a dark way, but DC nixed it, so he created Watchmen and based most of the characters on the Charlton characters (Captain Atom became Dr. Manhattan, The Question became Rorschach , Blue Beetle became Nite Owl, etc). Ironically Nite Owl from Watchmen is closer to the original Blue Beetle than whatever this reboot/retcon is. Blue Beetle was created by Steve Ditko in the 1960s, after the latter left Marvel in the wake of the controversy over who had actually created Spider-Man, himself or Stan Lee. The Charlton Blue Beetle was more Batman-like, a crime-fighting scientist with a hovercraft that looked like a giant beetle. Sad that DC has ruined what was originally a cool character.
"Fly by the skin of your pants" - I don't know what the name is for these expressions, but I love them! My mom used to say "It's not my cup of bag".
I need more of a reason to see a movie just because the main cast looks like me. I really don’t care if the MC looks like me how is the plot, the action etc.
George Lopez saying Batman is a faschist with the camera zoomed in on him, I already know this movie wasn't made for me
Because apparently pissing on your crown jewel and the only DC character who still makes money is a good idea, isn't that right WB/DC?
I know of Blue Beetle from the mid-2000s Justice League United cartoon. That and he's only really good when he's teamed up with Booster Gold (and it's competently written).
The funny thing is, if they actually made a New Warriors movie (yes, THOSE New Warriors) and design it as a parody but play it completely straight, they'd make BANK. They'd get an astronomical amount of flack from the rainbow crowd once they realize the movie would be a reverse-Barbie situation, but it would be very well worth it.
We Latinos already have an awesome super hero with his own movie: The Mask of Zorro. I swear to god if they tried to market blue beetle as the first Hispanic superhero movie I will flip my shit
They already did.
"Zorro isn't really a **superhero**!"
@@Grubnar Zorro was an inspiration for Batman, dude fights evil using his sword and his wits he’s sly as a Fox (Zorro is Spanish for fox) has his own awesome lair, a secret identity, cool costume, if the argument some people use is that he doesn’t have superpowers then a lot of other “superheroes” don’t meet the criteria either
@@Grubnar Zorro is a classic pulp hero and wouldn't really feel out of place as a Golden Age superhero.
@@Destino2493 Why are you telling me this? Didn't you notice the quotation marks?
@@Grubnar Yeah I know just saying why people who make that claim are wrong wasn’t directing it at you specifically
If they want a Latino superhero bring back ZORRO. It's setting in the past already separates it from other superhero movies.
There's also tons of stories they haven't done with him yet.
I read one where he fights vampires.
@@Shockguey vampires.? So you can go supernatural and that separates it from the 90's Zorro,
I miss the good ole days of the infinity saga and the excitement that it brought. Even miss the days when Cavill played Superman and Batflek played Batman,Gadot played WW, Fisher played Cyborg etc…
Both “universes” could have been saved if they listened to the fans.
Blue Beetle was one of my favorite characters when I was reading JLA. And honestly, this movie seems like nobody ever read a fucking comic book regarding the character.
I'm pretty sure you guys would love Ted Kord (the coolest Blue Beetle) and his adventures with Booster Gold in JLI (Justice League International) written by Keith Giffen and J.M. Dematteis.
Those Comics were AWESOME! and I can guarantee that any DC fan knows who they are and especially who Ted Kord is.
He was very freaking important in the universe.
What happened in the INFINITE CRISIS saga with him was completely insane, especially if you were used to reading him in JLI.
The integration of the character in the DC universe and all the implications it had was superb writing.
they're NEVER going to do this, 'cause WB is still staring at the mountain of money an interconected universe made Marvel.
but honestly if i was in charge of DC's film divison i'd announce "fuck it. no movies are connected. The Batman was good. Joker was good. EVERY SINGLE MOVIE WE MAKE has to stand on its own merits and tell its own self contained story." lets the directors focus on their own thing more and not have to worry about sub plots about someone that'll matter to an other movie. reduces the amount of trying to rely on cameo's. Attracts more tallent. i'm CONVINCED there's plenty of directors that'd far rather do a solo movie then be bombarded with studio heads telling them what they can and can't do because of how it'll tie into a dozen other peoples scripts.
Agreed. I like superhero movies that focus on the hero and not how they fit in to a connected universe. Like how they used to be. At this point I’d rather watch the original Superman and Batman. I’ll even say I enjoy “The Greatest American Hero” and “The Incredible Hulk” old tv series more than the content now. As in games, visuals only come second to content.
WB is 50 BILLION dollars in debt. The only thing Barbie did was cover for the losses of their DC division.
If they REALLY care about making money they're going to make a Ken movie. Everyone wants it, it wouldn't be hard to do. Just make a fish-out-of-water Western where he finally gets a horse and finds a blonde cowgirl he falls in love with.
@@Shockgueywait you're suggesting that they should make a wholesome traditional romance with a white male lead? I think that's a hanging offense in California.
I was never tired of super hero movies. I just stopped watching the shitty movies. I love GOOD super hero movies and I wish they had kept making them.
I was tired of them ten years ago. Thank GOD they’re dying
Smokey, around 12:00 minutes: "There's no beating, DEEP sleeping!"
Part of Iron Man's success was it had an academy award nominated actor with personality to spare playing the role he was made to play, Robert Downey, Jr.
He’s never won an Oscar.
Correct. I have edited it to correct the error.@@Jabber-ig3iw
I'll make this very simple for James Gunn. If your movie does not include Henry Cavill as Superman, it's going to flop. People want Henry back and they resent you for treating Henry poorly.
Nope, Cavill fans want Henry. I highly doubt general audiences care about any actor playing Superman. The superhero bubble has bursts, or more particularly, the marvel bubble. Nobody ever cared much for DC since Nolan
James Gunn is a one-trick pony. His films are all the same movie over and over again, and not especially well.
By that logic Black Adam should have got a billion.
Cavill was very popular with audiences in Asia, especially in China. His was a megastar on the press tour for Mission Impossible! Big mistake dropping him
Henry cavil was a not good Superman and I can’t see a way he could play a good Superman. Unless the reason his acting is so flat is the direction, he’s too stoic, and makes one of like three faces constantly. I do feel really bad how Hollywood treats him tho and would like to see him back if only to spite them. But he was awful as superman
Thumbs up for Drinker fixing the dogcam
I heard that that pooch is now retired, which is why he lies around all day. During his working life he would go on digs with human scientists and look for evidence of ancient canine/human interaction. He was the world's first barkaeologist.
It's almost funny (in a bad way) that so many superhero films pretend to emphasize family now while simultaneously doing everything else in their power to destroy the family unit. They don't use family for imparting wisdom or values or something to fight for anymore. Now, "heroes" are self taught, fight for themselves, and have everything they need already. The family is just there to validate them.
The only thing I know Blue Beetle from is the Teen Titans Judas Contract animated movie. The character was in it, but I don't remember anything about him off the top of my head.
It was woke-induced superhero fatigue. The genre didn’t die it was murdered
I resent the "fatigue" moniker.
People aren't tired of Superheros, comics were all superheros all the time and they didn't just stop being popular for DECADES.
People are tired of watching bad movies, and superhero movies are ONLY bad now.
@@haku8135 totally agree. Marvel could still be riding high in 2023 if not for the bafflingly bad movies, shows, agendas and decisions that began almost immediately after Endgame.
@@jeremyjohngraham Technically it BEGAN before Endgame, with Captain Marvel. Then Black Panther, and after Endgame they went all in on that.
Now that Guardians 3 is wrapped up, the last sparks from the old MCU are going out. We're in the death throes of the MCU now.
The way I see it, superheroes aren't a genre, they're an element. You could put a superhero into ANY kind of movie. And some of these haven't even been done on a large scale yet. Superhero horror. Superhero drama. Superhero romance. Superhero space exploration. Superhero post-apocalyptic. As such, it's not even POSSIBLE to have fatigue about it. It would be like claiming people had 'mountain fatigue' or 'American fatigue'.
Woke doesn’t mean anything at this point, it’s mindless buzzword used as weak criticism.
This is why Zack Synder was important for DC to bad they took him for granted
My son and I both agreed that we were bored with the origin story angle for every super hero’s first movie. When I was a kid in the 70’s and 80’s collecting marvel comics, I just enjoyed comics like Spider Man, Fantastic Four and Iron Man etc. even though I had no idea about how they acquired their abilities originally. I guess what I mean is give us a movie introducing a new super hero already in their prime perhaps with some limited flashbacks or references that intrigue and tease us to want to know more. I know when I finally stumbled on reprints of the origin stories of SM, FF and IM it was like I had discovered some sacred texts, I was mesmerized! Long story short, something non-linear would be refreshing story telling.
And this is the start of the new DCU. Watch them keep releasing these 'phase 1' movies until one sticks and THAT is actually the start of the new DCU.
Blue Beetle would make a good comedy relief support character, like any man, in a much bigger movie and then if the character is popular it would warrant making his own movie.
In the 1980s Justice League, if I remember, that's exactly the role he played.
Blue Beetle is like Power Rangers and Kamen Rider had a baby.
Shazam seemed like that too
The character or the movie?
Super Sentai
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If you were talking to me. Then it’s the movie. Just having more than one Shazam and of course the icon of the thick lightning bolt, very mighty morphin
Yes 😂
The whole 'wacky and silly' trope in Superhero films used to be a funny trope to include. But it's now passed it's prime.
The ending face planted so hard. I was falling asleep.
OH! And George Lopez barely got any laughs.
Blue Beetle is a Legacy Hero, if they made a movie like The Phantom in Aesthetic with the first BB, maybe getting to this film eventually could have worked.
In My Opinion, Blue Bettle doesn't work without Legacy.
First Blue Beetle is in public domain, Ted Kord is the one people wanted. Jaime Reyes is just Miles Morales before Miles Morales, with the same "he's got more powers than the last character" syndrome.
@@Shockguey use the first Blue Beetle in a flashback and show off the Scarab, then have the rest of the movie with Ted Kord, the second movie with Booster Gold buddy comedy style.
Kill Ted in another movie leading to and Omac movie. Then, have Jaime movie as a 3rd.
But that's my crazy idea.
I'm looking forward to it, I hope it's good. I'm not sure if this character should be "done" considering it was in a tv show, we'll see.
It’s not very good but it’s slightly enjoyable
So this version of blue beetle no body wanted to begin with, although they could had used this as a great launching platform, there are 2 other. Beetles one from like the 60’s and one from the 90’s, so make a Indy type of adventure that take them 3 generations to solve, but still keep the legacy and the historical mystery.
5:25 Agreed with CD and Camelot here. I had super heroes fatigue like 4-5 movies before Endgame, but had to see them to complete the series.
Xolo Mariduena is a great actor he is proven as much in Cobra Kai its just unfortunate he chose to be in a superhero at the time when they are fading away
12:18 I was exposed to Blue Beetle through the Batman: The Brave and the Bold cartoon. Blue Beetle's in Justice League Action, Young Justice, the DCAMU, and Injustice 2 as well. So Blue Beetle's had some exposure (more than Shang-Chi and the Enterals did before their films), but the average person has probably never heard of him.
12:15 video saying nobody's heard of Blue Beetle bit. I'd say nobody outside comics heard of Iron Man before he launched the MCU either. Sure there was an Iron Man cartoon years ago, but no one constantly brings that up being a banger like Batman TAS or X-Men '90's cartoons.
As another origin story film i really enjoyed it! the Mex/latino jokes stereotypes or things that only Mex latinos understand were on the brink of mocking but George lopez was aight. my favorite thing was El Compa Benny nadamas falto mi cochi loco
Aside from Cobra Kai superfans and the 10 people that like Blue Beetle comics, I don't know how anyone is supposed to be excited about this. It definitely never had a shot at being a 'superhero blockbuster'
Cobra Kai was good because the people making it CARED and made a serious effort.
This? Not so much!
He's been in Batman the Brave and the Bold, Justice League Action, Teen Titans animated movie and Young Justice. I fell in love with the character because of Batman the Brave and the Bold
I feel bad for the lead actor Xolo Mariduena. I liked him in Kobra Kai and this could be a career killer
I feel sorry for the girl who plays Kamala Kahn in the MCU, she seems rather genuine. But they get saddled with these piss-poor token characters.
Big Bad Blue Beetleborgs.
Three Typical Average kids
inside a haunted mansion
Just by a chance freed a ghost
who made them Beetleborgs
Beetleborgs!
Big Bad Beetleborgs
Big Bad Beetleborgs!
Hey look now
they're superheroes
with all these superpowers
Cool!
Taken from a comic strip
and now they're Beetleborgs
Beetleborgs!
Flabber is Jay Leno going through an identity crisis.
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I know many comic-obsessed people who are deeply into their superheroes. I have never in my 47 years of life heard anyone even mention Blue Beetle.
Sounds like you're a 47 year old white male. And if you're not, you're a white supremacist but of a different race.
One of my comix-reading buddies lent me some 1980s Justice League once...Blue Beetle was the member with the most horrific background and the best sense of humor.
I only did when Batman The Brave and The Bold was airing.
I remember Kevin Smith mentioning him a few decades ago.
New one was in Brave and the Bold and Young Justice. He was fine there, primarily since B&B used him as a newcomer viewpoint that contrasts Batman's experienced seen-it-all status.
DC: “First Latino lead superhero movie.”
* Miles Morales and Miguel O’Hara both give incredulous looks and ask if they are jokes to DC.
Dc: oh but those are animated, they don’t count!
Audience: How much did the animated spider verse movies make? How well rated were they by critics, CZcamsrs, and audiences alike? And they have fan support to continue for at least another movie and possible spinoff series without the studio forcing that down their throats?
*DC has left the chat in shame.
All of this!! You all made excellent points and are thinking the things us superhero fan of Dc and Marvel have been discussing online for a long time. thanks for this video!! ^_^
You wanna know the depressing part about Blue Bettle? I saw it last night, and it was actually pretty good. It ain’t a masterpiece, but it’s a solid 6 or 7 out of 10 (which I’m pretty sure makes it twice as good as any other DCEU film on offer)
It has a generic but we’ll executed superhero plot line, the characters were mostly well realized, the CGI and action scenes were actually pretty great, the stakes weren’t multiversal is scale, and how they actually use the family for the plot and theme was pretty good. There’s an emotional moment towards the end of the second act that was actually so effective it got me to cry a bit, which I haven’t done for a superhero movie since Infinity War.
That makes the fact that I was literally the only person in my theater watching the movie all the more depressing. Because this is the one DC movie that didn’t deserve to flop so hard
Yeah the scene with the SWAT team was emotional and the scene when he needs to choose is good as well it seems this is suffering the sins of the father of the flash and Black Adam. But this has a giant bug robot killing people to Montley crue so there's hope yet.
Did you notice the part when he first put on the suit he was looking at the Guadalupe portrait on the wall. His face aligned with hers and his eyes started glowing. That part was creepy. Rest was good G Lopez character was all over the place the conspiracy theorist, crazy uncle, superhero expert.
Yeah even though I'm Irish catholic rather than Latino/ Hispanic catholic it's nisce to see a big budget movie mention or reference religion and the after life good on them.
Legendary automaker Henry Ford had a very good quote, and it said if you would ask the consumer what they wanted, they would have just asked for a faster horse, meaning that the consumer It doesn't know what it wants until it sees a new product This is not what henry ford meant
Henry Ford literally made more changes to his product than he could be bothered to count, based on costumer feedback.
But he was always critical about it, he never just did something, just to do something. He always had an actual reason.
There needs to be balance!
@@Grubnarthat requires intelligence, knowledge of your product, and rationality. Even one of these three is beyond Hollywood.
@@RambleOn07 Ain't that the sad truth!
Blue Beetle: The right side of history
The marketing has been trash, but the main actor is pretty well known. He’s one of the main characters, named Miguel, in the Cobra Kai tv series on Netflix. The Blue Beetle character also had an amazing arc in the Young Justice TV series. Do I think that BB will be the new Iron Man? No, but I think that there is lots of potential here if the right cards are played. It could see success if word of mouth is good. Barbenheimer is finally winding down and not much else to go see currently.
The way I see it, any and every character can be awesome with great writing (etc). Alan Moore proved it when he evolved Marvelman. Also, dismissing a less prominent character because it doesn't have a respected back catalogue is like dismissing playing a small country at sports. We climb mountains because they are there!
A Jon Bernthal Punisher movie would be a guaranteed winner. Especially if they gave Thomas Jane a cool cameo appearance. But they absolutely could not water it down to PG13. Other than that, I can't imagine another hero movie getting any traction.
Where are the blacks?no diversity
As you say, good writing can make almost anything good. Bad writing can make almost anything bad. Having said that, however, there are probably some ideas that are more prone to success than others. Some ideas CANNOT be good unless they have a good writer behind them, while there are others than can probably scrape by with mediocre writers.
@@HerculesBallsInc Like John Wick, for example. I love those movies, but if we r being honest, those scripts are not exactly on par with Goodfellas. But they are entertaining as hell and Keanu is an easy actor to like.
Well, here in Australia comes out 4 weeks later, apparently because of our upcoming school holidays.
So I'm wondering after 28days if It will already be on digital
It's incredibly stupid to be following a release schedule that's about 20 years out of date, you'd think they'd want to capitalise on the buzz of it releasing in one country filtering out online to build sales in other countries with a simultaneous release.
@whiskeyhound It was part of the reason the Australia had such a high piracy rate, telling people to wait 4-6week sometime more for arbitrary reasons.
Hell Haunted Mansion is still almost 2 weeks away and it's doa in the states, only reason it won't already be streaming is they will leave it in limbo till Halloween week.
@@aussierob390I'd be more annoyed if I actually gave a shit about this movie in particular, but since I don't, I'm just gonna laugh at it flopping multiple times because some genius decided to stagger the releases between countries.
@@aussierob390Just looked up the release date of the film, DC's not completely run by idiots, the film should've been out here about 4 days ago, which means that it's our cinema chains that are complete idiots who don't want to make money.