A Congregation Talks APOSTASY | Sunday Service
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- čas přidán 23. 09. 2023
- In a leaked recording of an average meeting, we get a look at how congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses talk about shunning, media criticism of the group, and converting new members
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I'm studying with a witness. I asked him to explain 1914 using only the bible and he said he had to go
That's bout right
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Omg 😂
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Zulu 7379 chiedigli di cosa pensano della politica e ascoltalo bene ,poi fatti scaricare la rivista svegliatevi del 8 settembre del 1991 dice che l'ONU porterà pace e sicurezza ETERNA chiedete ai T D G della vostra zona, e nel 1992 si associa tramite L'ONG a l'ONU fino al 2001quando il giornale INGLESE IL GUARDIANO pubblica la notizia due giorni dopo la Watchtower si è dissociata da L'ONU che coincidenza strana, la società Watchtower si associo al piu grande organo politico del pianeta nel segreto, sono ipocriti e bugiardi FALSIFICATORI della verità camuffate si comprendono nel tempo, da L'ITALIA SALUTI
I grew up a JW in Germany and despite being on the other side of the world, the dry, boring, death-like energy is very much the same. the brotherhood really is the same all around the globe 🥰
I am from Spain, and I agree with your statement.
@@meln.4927Sono daccordo con te, anche in Italia e cosi .
Exactly what I was gonna say.
Hearing these children commenting at the meeting hurts my heart. Hearing them being indoctrinated like this brings back terrible memories. They have no clue how brainwashed they are. It's insidious.
They show no joy....Evah! They spend a lot of time warning about "apostates"....if they had the "Truth" the organization wouldn't need to put fear into their members!
Right before I left this organization, I was told on a zoom shepherding call, that I need not to share my research & stick to the paragraphs! The two elders said, everything the "Slave" wants us to know & discuss is in the article!?!? I was flabbergasted! I told them..."I thought, through everyone's comments, we are seeing all assets of Jehovah's personality"?!?!? That's what we were always told?? The two elders stated...the organization is changing!?!? This was one of the last flags I witnessed! I have two precious granddaughters that are being taught these lies!!🥺😢😭Silence in the face of evil, is evil itself! Ty for all you do!❤🙏
Teacher perspective: This is based on the 1800s model of education that emphasized rote learning. Most churches have realized that engagement matters and rote learning just isn't interesting. But JWs mock the 'religious leaders' who try to be more engaging by moving around, making jokes, etc.
I really think the culture of the witnesses is just waiting for the end
First 5 seconds me: "This is JonesTown style crazy."
PS, my Gran died alone last month, after 10 years of no one, because she was shunned by this cult, but never recovered... It's so cruel.
This reminded me of after being DF’d, I really tried to go back. Moved back in with my parents, did all the right things, wrote my letter…then listened as they talked about people like they considered me at the time at the meeting after writing my “please take me back” letter, and said nope…forget it, I don’t want back! Told my elder dad to tear up the letter and that I was moving back out and never looked back
This showcases why I got sick of going to meetings…it’s all negativity. Just gloom and doom all day and it is exhausting.
Right?? And the way this corporation is pushed as the only way to solve depression is mind-boggling. I can only laugh at the absurdity
I was 3rd generation on both sides born in JW. My parents stopped attending meeting when I was around 8 after a long distance move away from family. They went inactive, but they still held the beliefs so we didn’t celebrate anything, no saluting the flag, no voting, and no blood transfusions. They would take us to the memorial here or there and skipped years. My siblings and I never were baptized and grew up did our own things and celebrated holidays . We would visit my dad’s side of the family every few years so my parents were not shunned by my dad’s side because I believe they wanted access to try to bring my siblings and myself in the organization. They also would reason that my dad was scared away by a group of elder’s before we moved for not bringing us often enough . They held out hope my parents would return . So if there were weddings or something we would see them even into my adulthood. I didn’t know about how abusive the cult was until one of my cousins got disfellowshipped and shunned . Since I was not local I didn’t realize they were shunning her. I thought she was just busy and not around . Eventually I connected with my cousin and learned about how evil shunning is . I basically was so mad I cut contact with my JW family around that time and supported my cousin even from a distance. My siblings were buying into that she did something wrong and that they were staying out of it . They would invite my dad’s JW to baby showers and things so I would skip the showers to support my cousin. My siblings didn’t get it . Well I have been watching videos in the exJW community now for a couple of years . I have sent a lot of videos and information on shunning to my siblings . I’m hoping they are watching them to see how bad shunning and CSA is . I have a cousin in the fading process currently and is shunned. I’m glad she is out and I reached out to support her from a distance also . The reason I looked into the ExJW community was a few years ago my dad refused blood so I wanted to understand why . He survived thankfully, but I’m still traumatized by what I saw and how helpless I was . I have been trying to help my inactive dad (who also had a massive stroke a few years ago) see what he was fooled by watchtower. So I know this is long but I wanted to give my background before I ask my question. I tried to ask my question on the live stream and no one answered me. Maybe the stream was going to fast or maybe they are suspicious of me. I have noticed a lot of exJW’s are overly suspicious and haven’t shed that part of the JW conditioning.
I had two older JW men at my door Friday . I let them do their spiel and was friendly back. I was somewhat upfront and told them I did have JW family, but that they lived far away. They immediately asked why I was not one and I just said we moved far away when I was a kid and my family was not able to keep taking me to meetings like they use to do. That was actually true also. They seemed suspicious of me, but eventually seemed okay with me and we chatted about my garden. They said one of them would be back and would bring his wife next time . They asked me to have a Bible question ready for the next visit . I’m conflicted on if I should just bring up CSA and shunning next visit or just plant a seed somehow. I also have no clue what my Bible question would be . Hopefully people can weigh in and tell me what they suggest. I asked my D’fed cousin and she joked I should ask about shunning. Then she said that maybe I could plant a seed. She said that she was 20 at a gas station when the seed was planted in her eventual waking up. She said a very normal kind woman freaked out and visibly shaken by the literature she gave her . She said the woman recoiled and was spooked. The woman said it was creepy and dropped it on the ground. That incident made my cousin start to think. Anyway again if commenters would weigh in thank you! I just want to help other’s when I can .
I suspect a direct approach will trigger the defensive 'don't listen' response. JWthoughts had a visit and reported back on a couple of return visits, worth searching for those videos and seeing his reflections about those conversations
I wouldn't give them your time.
Potresti fare la domanda ,perche non si interessano della politica,ascoltali attentamente, poi gli dici di scaricare la rivista svegliatevi del 8settembre del 1991 dice che l'ONU porterà pace e sicurezza ETERNA chiedete ai T D G della vostra zona, nel 1992 la societa WATCHTOWER si associa a l'ONU tramite L'ONG anno fino al 2001quando il giornale INGLESE IL GUARDIANO pubblica la notizia due giorni dopo la Watchtower si è dissociata da L'ONU che coincidenza strana, cosi si smentiscono da soli ,la società Watchtower si associo a un organo politico mondiale nel segreto ,cosi non possono dere che sono bugie di APOSTATI, da L'ITALIA SALUTI.
Speaking of autism in JW, my GF's son is autistic. She was DFd a long time ago and raised him without religion, but her parents were always trying to shove it on him. He catches onto patterns pretty quickly, and his grandmother started in about santa and how he's not real. Asking him have you ever seen santa? No, then how do you know he's real. So he comes back home, he's under 10 at this point, and tells him mom he's never seen santa and doesn't believe. Well, she immediately realized it was her mom fucking around so she asks do you believe in god? Yes, but have you ever seen him? She said she could almost see the wheels spinning and light come on. He says, no i don't believe in god either. So she texts her mom and thanks her for turning him atheist 😅. Her mom was pissed that she was outmanoeuvred
I'm Catholic...my wifes parents used to be Catholic and now JWs....so I told her I no longer want to go to their house for dinner because they are apostates😂😂😂😂
Amen🤣😂🤣🤣😂
Thank you Jake. The watchtower conductor sounds like Kermit the Frog
Great idea for a topic. Sad I missed the live chat. Boo. I really hope this gets a lot of traction. The world needs to know how JWs REALLY are. The most 2 faced religion you can find on the planet.
I left 23 years ago and I still can't get over him reading off his phone.... but on topic; the apostate rants have increased a ton nowadays. All hail the peanut butter algorithm!
Thank you for all your hard work Jake! I remember when you first came on the scene, I was like oh this guy is special! You explain everything so well and ur so funny. Sending love from ur big sis ❤️
17:02 holy crap, Kermit the Frog possessed his body and begin conducting! Only by holy spirit can such things happen. God be praised!
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btw: That was difficult watching that full meeting, which is exactly what you were attempting to demonstrate, especially to outsiders! Great work Jake... you are on a roll!!!!
I appreciate that! That really was the intention: to show how interminable these meetings are.
@@vusimngomezulu2500 are you saying JWs=satan?????
Appreciate your work showing this b.s.
I’m 5’3 with a pixie cut. I’m a dainty little thing with a bunch of kids and I’m looked at as a skilled warrior against Jehovah? Like….. I startle at loud noises, I am definitely not a warrior 😂😂😂
Ugh! Just like I wouldn’t make fun of Jim Jones members, I wouldn’t make fun of the JWs. It’s as I’ve stated over and over again, the leaders are the problem!
I feel like I go out of my way to direct my criticisms at the leadership and not individual members
You are now my “go-to” guy when I wanna catch up on JWs. You’re very insightful and compassionate with high emotional intelligence. Love your deep dives and break downs. You are way too smart to remain a JW. Thank you for all of your hard work it is so greatly appreciated!
The content warning though😂. Couldn't be more clear.😂😫😩
Goodness me it’s so clear once you’ve left. So easy to pick holes in almost every line of every paragraph. To think I was sucked into this for so long
29 minutes in, the pharisees point, I’m applauding 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Dude this is the BEST video yet, I’m laughing at my own flashbacks this brings up already but OMFG this is exactly what needs to be shown to every interested one that was not raised in this shit!! Aside from how fun this is for us escapees 😂🤦🏻♀️😂😎 Brafuckinvo! 👏🏼👏🏼❤️👍🏼
I hope you don't start making a brand-specific sign-off. When a certain person started doing a huge eye-brow lift, I could tell that he was getting full of himself. Super turn off. Continue to be your authentic self. We love you and your content for YOU!
Good advice!!
There's no fear being a Jehovah's witness ' I am and will always be one '
4th gen here and none of us stayed or even got baptized so we wouldn’t be shunned the 3rd gen showed us what being shunned was due to multiple disfellowships. The JWs showed us their true colors
Wow that conductor has the charisma of a pencil
I've been in a very bad place the last couple of years, one thing is my house got destroyed and I'm still waiting on insurance to figure it out so I'm the meantime I've been staying with my jw mom. I was df'd over twenty years ago because someone saw me shooting pool with a df'd friend. She can't have any friends over because of me and i feel terrible. The other day she brought up me getting reinstated, and nothing would make her happier, and tbh my depression is so bad I've considered at least going to a meeting. But i don't think i could handle it. I disagree with way too much and the meetings seem so dour and depressing. My mom is really wonderful but my brother and i are still really bitter about being raised in this cult. I had a lot of fun in my twenties learning about how screwed up their teachings and policies are but I've seen a lot of similarities of their BS in other groups as well and while i do believe in certain principles, such as getting along, telling the truth, not ripping people off it seems like the watchtower business model isn't unique. I should've embraced the hippie lifestyle when i was young.
Well, it looks like I can’t bring myself to watch this JW meeting. Nope. Can’t do it. Feels toxic.
Thanks Jake ❤️
Isn’t the message leave them alone, actual judging of people. Isn’t that supposed to be left to God? But now they have judged them as not someone they should even bother with. 😊
I love how he talks about loyalty - does that sound familiar in today's political climate, where loyalty seems to be only in one direction? LOL
So good so good you had me rolling
Ver cathartic to listen to only because of your commentary. Thank you! Also, I was getting Kermit the Frog vibes from the speaker the whole time.
The speaker looks like he's sooo done with everything. Just kinda trying to phone it in while waiting for the end of the universe.
I'm very sorry people are forced to live like this.
They really invited Bert to present the "repeat after me" part
There’s a KM with that same title of that study. They regurgitate the same old shit 💩
This religion is so ridiculous. I hate the fact that my wife is a JW.
They just repeat the same stuff!! Can’t believe I did this shit for 20+ years
Oh my god same. How many THOUSANDS of meetings just like this did I have to endure??
27 years of my life, son! Poisoned with this garbage.
And years later you still experience toxicity from the residue.
The idea that JW’s create a “police state” in their mind and then live in it, is so eerily accurate.
Gaslighting to the fullest.....plus they have the craziest definition of an apostate...
Wow, this has triggered and made me feel so nauseated. Absolutely the way the “meetings” are conducted 😳
re the study not being the Bible but the WT articles - presumably this is because asking questions after reading a paragraph from the Bible doesn't come with the pre set answers.
I feel sorry for that meeting conductor. He looks dessicated and exhausted.
Thanks!
“Skilled Warriors against Jehovah.” Get the Yahweh DLC for the next “Kratos” game.
That was a painful two hours I will never get back.
This was surprisingly both triggering and hilariously banal. 3 times a week for my entire young life until age 13 (when I started refusing to attend) I endured these drivel fests. Though, this wasn’t as bad as the extended and delightfully graphic illustrated meetings about the coming apocalypse. The flowing blood in the streets and the bloated corpses in darkened empty bedrooms. Ugh, so happy I’m not putting my children through this crap.
I did not expect that level of cringe happening in that kingdom hall. Jeez! Weaponized sounds like we all have covens.
This is great, but I keep thinking about the characters my kids play in Roblox. 😂
1:25:51 So that lady was told she couldn't have privileges if she worked at a church? They want you to be poor and only have them as a resource. 😒😒
Lots of lies being told at this meeting .
The Bible does not say to shun anyone who leaves the jehovahs witness organization .
La bibbia no ,ma il regolamento giuridico della Watchtower si ,lo adattano in modo sbagliato a alcune scritture torcendo i contesti raggirati e inculcando nella mente dei tg come verita assoluta .da L'ITALIA SALUTI .
7:49 I lik-a do da cha-cha.
49 min - So they shouldn't try to convert 'church leaders' either, that is a new one to me
I wonder what issues there would be with YHWH Witnesses. I imagine it would be fun to pretend to be a JW and do a better job than they do converting people. They have numerous carts in Balboa Park.
This JW man sounds remarkably like kermit the frog. I am so glad I never became one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
I actually think the quote from the bible attributed to Jesus, "Let them be" could also be interpreted to show that the policy of disfellowshipping is not Christ like. According to the Oxford dictionary to "let someone or something be" means to "stop INTERFERING with someone or something. Ex. "Let him be...he knows what he wants." "
That scripture in Matthew actually lends scriptural support to the idea of letting folks fade peacefully and quietly out of the religion. Its a phrase that denotes passivity and that no action is required other than the action of letting them go. It would mean, if someone says they no longer wish to be a JW the Christian response would be to not interfere with that persons decisions and life as they move forward - no JC required, no DF or DA announcement to the congregation, no coerced shunning for that persons friends & family, no drop-in shepherding calls on inactive folks, etc. All of these actions are interference. DFing and all of the actions associated with it is an agressive response.
I miss giggles.
that jw looks so happy. perhaps a glass of wine would loosen him up. chloexjw
As someone who has no idea about drama on and off CZcams, could someone please (in general terms) explain the dig at Loyd Evans?
Speaking of gay, my 19 year old daughter USED TO BE the favorite grandchild to my Circuit Overseer father in law and Pioneer mother in law UNTIL she came out as gay when she was around 13-14 years old back in 2016-2017ish time frame. They used to take her to ALL of the JW events until that happened. Then my mother in law gave her this teenage book to read with talking points about how being gay is bad lol. Mind you my daughter is advanced in reading literature and loves writing so she found their literature BORING.
Would love to go thru that book perhaps someday 😂
Could 'agents of satan' be the next marvel movie?
Yay! I’m relevant. 😂 1:46:22
JW Governing Body will not let their followers question their authority and teachings, and yet the bible tells us to test everything ... 1 Thessalonians 5:21 but test everything; hold fast what is good.
Also 1John 4:1 says.. Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
JWs must not allow the Organisation to convince them to read their material only. This is unscriptural and the sign of a cult.
It is imperative that JWs question their leaders to see if they are acting in accordance with God's spirit and word. Imo, the JW Governing Body are false prophets.
I pray that God will set his people free from false teachers.
First!
Yay u win the internet today 😊
@@krissykatportal I’m not one to need to be first. Found it funny that no one commented in first hour so I did.
13:56 They do allow personal comments but it's regulated and not really well recieved.
What about selling kingdom halls to other religions run by Saaaaaaastan🤔
Only believe what we read in the wt and awake?! Can she not hear herself?!
54:02 my soon to be published autofiction novel #DRILL posits this very thing! #WakeUpKillGod #DRILLnovel
Demons congregate together.
Can't possibly maintain any involvement with Babylon the Great, even if it costs you dearly, but perfectly fine to be a card--carrying member of the Wild Beast that you demonize constantly.
Commenting is just regurgitating.
The speaker sounds like Kermit.
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This,I think,typifies a JW meeting. Dead,monotone presentation. Flat expressionless responses. No conviction or real warmth or feeling. Just reparative,pre programmed question and answer. Is this really the best they can do to combat the evil apostates?
Hey! ALT-WORDY, just let the video play. Jake I love your stuff but bro… just a little less talking through everything please…for the love of Pete. I’m still a fan though
maybe the meetings would b more exciting if there were models there. just saying. chloexjw