JW paradise is weird and complicated
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
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Dude thought we were gonna be using dinosaurs like they do on The Flintstones 😂
LOL.
NGL, I'd stop banging my gay bf and sit through Kingdom Hall boredom if it meant I got to have Flintstones dinocore tech.
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Do you want to live forever in paradise? "not with a bunch of Jehovah's Witnesses" was one funny joke I heard once. It still makes me laugh
Thinking about waking up in the "new world" where only JWs live made me feel deeply depressed.
After Armageddon I'd want to get some rest, to sleep late. But I knew JWs that would literally pound on my door to shame me into slaving for our "anointed kings". If Jehovah couldn't cure them of their self-righteous attitude now, what would we have to deal with when there are no more non-JWs to distract us and keep us occupied, off each other's backs.
That’s too funny
My sister ( ex JW ) said this . But she did not say as a joke . She meant it !
I still remember thinking this, sitting at yet another boring Sunday meeting. The speaker was trying his best to paint a pretty picture in our minds of how Paradise would be.. and I looked around.. an eternity.. with these people?! 😂😳
Norm McDonald. I saw him tell this joke on tv in the late 80’s.
I was PIMO since like 12 years old, and these sorts of convos in the car group would send me into the worst dissociations. People arguing about whether meat or wine would be allowed in the “new world” when I just wanted to scream as loud as possible LOL
I can relate....
The number 1 question that got me kicked out of the Jehovahs Witnesses was that of Revelation 20:4,5 it says that the dead weren’t resurrected until AFTER the 1,000 years… So I had asked how is it possible then that we would see our dead loved ones rise DURING the 1,000 years….
Yep! That’s a question that’d get you thrown out! LOl😂
Fatal mistake. It's not what the Bible says. It's what they say it says.
Oh boy. I just read the chapter 3 in “Gods kingdom of a thousand years has approaches”. So apparently it is talking about people being considered ‘fully alive’ by god, like how when people are BAPTIZED they were once considered dead in their trespasses but are now alive in Christ… or some goo. So part of it is a literal resurrection and part is a spiritual resurrection. 😵💫🤦🏻♀️😵💫🤦🏻♀️
Yes once I started to fade for some strange reason I decided to research that scripture and I was soo shocked and confused I asked some friends about it in the hall and no one could explain 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️ they just look the other way 🙄
Yes, because Q&A in JW is regurgitating whatever the governing body wants JW members to believe, even what you're asking for comes from their heavily edited version of the Bible
"we will be like Adam and Eve, just wearing business casual clothes" - :)
I love how they assume that guys like Job and John the Baptist and Saint John writing the Revelation all thought like 20th century JWs.
I remember slightly offending a couple elders when I told them that I look forward to “hang gliding ” or skydiving with angels, like for funsies they would spend a few hours flying me around all of the parts of the world I wouldn’t see before Armageddon. The elders said they have important jobs to do and it’s insulting to demand something like that of them. And I was like… I can wait a million years or a billion years or a trillion years. Are you saying in a trillion years one angel can’t take a couple hours to have some fun with me?
😅😅😅 (soup nazi voice) "No fun for you!"
That’s so cute 😭😭😭 the angels totally should have had time to fly ppl around after a few trillion years 🙄
YES LOH! I’m so glad you brought this up! I was big on the theory that we’d be able to interact with the angels in paradise
Right, and isn't evil obliterated by that time, so angels should be free to play and mingle since they no longer need to protect anyone from evil.
Typical of “important Elders”, with their many important responsibilities, as the anointed Governing Body hangs out of Heaven trying to communicate with them on what to do next! Lett screaming at some bewildered Elder: “Go find some seeds somewhere so you can start growing some food!” Winder yelling out: “Go find some animals for the kids to play with...wait. They’ve been destroyed too?”
My friend and i used to talk about space travel and exploring the universe after the 1000 years. That still makes me smile too
I used to think about that also
Did the same with folks, plans for exploring and terraforming across the universe. Maybe we would even get to design new critters on 'alien' worlds
@@sarcasm6669 exactly
Were you my best friend growing up?
@@SomeDudeSomewhereOverThere lol. One never knows
As a curious observer, the JW afterlife is one of my favourite bits. There surely isn’t another religion where heaven features so much admin.
I was actually terrified of the NewSystem™ growing up and lived in constant dread every New Year's that this was gonna be the year that Armageddon happened and I'd have to live in the NewSystem™. My parents and 99% of the adults I knew also believed that there'd be no cities and no technology of any sort. That we'd revert to some vaguely defined pre-industrial level of technology like the Amish or something. They also believed that EVERYTHING ever created by WorldlyPeople© would be destroyed, so no books, no music, no comics, no video games, no historic architecture, no nothing except the Bible, tHe SoCiEtY's literature, and Kingdom Melodies for all eternity. They also believed that we'd all be subsistance farmers who grew our own food because of the scripture that said "no man will sow and another man reap" or whatever, so not only was I not looking forward to the mandatory vegetarianism, but also the boringness of only being able to eat a limited number of crops since it's physically impossible to grow every single type of fruit/grain/vegetable/fungus that humans consume on one farmstead, meaning we'd be eating the same shit all the time. Forever. For all eternity. I dreaded it. I would literally get stomach cramps from stress thinking about Armageddon and how fucking awful and miserable Amish Paradise was going to be. Whenever I asked why Jehoprah even created the rest of the universe if we were never gonna have interstellar flight and advanced technology to explore all of space, I would angrily get told that if God wanted us to live on other planets, He would've mentioned it in the Bible, and since He only mentioned Earth, obviously this was the only world we were ever gonna live on. And who cares if it takes five years to walk across the planet when you're living forever, anyway? And if I have anxiety about what living forever and ever and ever and ever for unimaginable quadrillions of years was gonna be like, then that just meant I should be praying more and reading the Bible more. That it would be impossible to get bored because we'd always be learning new things, except the new things would only be new Bible books. That we'd still be going to meetings forever and have to do personal study and read the fucking literature forever. I hated JW Paradise. I used to secretly hope that I'd die at Armageddon so I wouldn't have to live in it. In fact, I was actually scared that if I died in an accident or something BEFORE Armageddon, I'd wake up there and be trapped and forced to live for all eternity in their no-tech, no-arts, no-fun Amish Hell. When I asked about what were the resurrected ones who couldn't marry do since they were going to have sexual urges, (not how I phrased it, but I still got yelled at and threatened with a spanking for having my mind in the gutter), I was told that God would just deaden their urges since they wouldn't be allowed to marry, which honestly sounded horrifying to me. Like why even make us have sexual drives if you're not allowed to ever act on them. Why make us desire human companionship and then relegate billions and billions of people to a LITERAL ETERNITY of involuntary solitude? It sounded monstrous. I dreaded everything about it. It sounded like an Amish Stepford Wives scenario that I'd never be able to escape from. Like the TNG Episode with the J'Nii where the genderless lady gets Space Conversion Therapy to make her genderless and not love Riker anymore but is happy at the end cuz she was brainwashed, except I'd be the brainwashed one. Like I said, I literally was in a constant state of dread for almost half my life worrying about being forced to live forever in their horrific, monstrous, "paradise".
Ha! I feel like I'm always bringing up the J'Naii! 😄
I felt similarly except I didn't think we'd need to eat or do JW stuff anymore. I figured I had a 50/50 shot of getting in, and I was totally cool with oblivion.
This was my thought exactly
@@luna-p OMG I love your SN. Sailor Moon R was my favorite season after Stars. XD
@@dansaikyo6664 💖 R is my favorite season and movie!
@@luna-p R is definitely my favorite movie. I actually really liked Ali & Ann and that whole filler arc part, and I liked that the movie was obviously based on that.
The idea that we might not be married in paradise is what made my husband start doubting the religion. He didn't want to be in paradise if we weren't married. He told me that years later.
i wouldnt want it aswell.
I imagined that the Brothers and Sisters would be healed emotionally and instead of cliques and back-stabbing and selfish jealousy, everyone would actually be loving and kind and patient and... wait, what am I talking about? That's flat out fiction! 😅
I 100% feared having to deal with them for 999 years and 11 months, 30 days and 23 hours... and God deciding to give us peach at the last second! D:
One of my family members who still talk to me always tells me how in paradise she has plans to go visit the galaxy Andromeda with her friend. She jokes about how it’s gonna be a long trip and how she’ll tell her friends and family ”See you you in 10,000 years!”. I told her you better take a couple of dvds with you so you don’t get bored. She thought that was absolutely hilarious and I still think that’s really sweet. I sometimes kind of miss that certain type of super clean humor jws would have about paradise. It was pretty cringe and also kind of off putting in it’s hyper positivity but I suppose there’s something nostalgic about it now.
It'd take more than 10,000 years! But if travelling at 1g, only "feels" like 30 years there, and 30 years back (but who's staying just for a weekend? ;) ). But the real problem is, if you're a true PIMI you don't get to go into space, because God made the earth "for the sons of God", though I guess women get to escape the inanity of the Paradise then! XD
Man she’s 😂 Lost AF
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I remember trying to start a workout routine with a couple different ladies, one of them I’d known most of my life we’d both had babies and wanted to get healthy again, when I asked if she wanted to start working out together her reply still shocks me to this day, “I’m just gonna wait for paradise then Jehovah will give me a fit perfect body. “I ended up doing the workouts myself and losing weight after leaving, two years after leaving the lady messaged me asking how I lost the weight and was convinced I’d gotten surgery instead of relying on god. I just laughed and hung up.
“Tom Hardy the man had always been snack, now he’s a whole damn meal, what is he just gonna get older and just became a buffet? 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Thanks for posting this, Jake. This video resonates with me on several levels. A lot of these questions were part of my years-long waking up process leading up to when I left in 2006 (along with dozens of other doctrinal questions not related to Paradise). For instance, if the GB truly thought we were going to live forever in Paradise, rebuild the Earth after Armageddon and all that, why weren't we spending more time training on how to do ALL the things needed to rebuild? Not just major things like rebuilding infrastructure, but even other things like growing food, purifying water, and even making soap? It never made sense to me. My family and ex-wife used to blame my questions on my OCD. Maybe they're right. They're still Witnesses, so...🤷🏽♂️
So in these parts the age of perfection was 30. That's when Jesus got baptized and people have physically and mentally reached their peak. And then it hit me... My JW mom has never shunned me since i was df'd, over 25 years now, i see her several times a week, and i was talking about feeling old and she told me "you'll always be 30" and now I'm thinking that was influenced by paradise age and that she fully expects me to be in paradise with her because jehovah will still save me. Holy shit i think i just blew my mind.
NO. THAT'S NOT TRUE. JESUS GOT BAPTIZED AT 30 YEARS OLD BECAUSE IN JEWISH CULTURE, YOU'RE NOT CONSIDERED A MAN UNTIL YOU WERE 30.
The sweetest thing about your story is that she didn't shun you ❤. That is very brave of her and maybe I am speculating too far ahead, but it leads me to make the assumptions that she truly loves you and is unable to think that God thinks any differently from her. Despite the church telling her otherwise ❤.
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When one is in a narcissistic relationship/friendship...not being aware that is called narcissistic/gaslighting...future FAKING keeps us exuberant and alive...😮😂😅
I thought the same thing because Jesus died in his early 30s. After that, not aging would have made it too easy to see that he was different. Or worse, aging would have exposed him as just a man.
@@samanthas2280 I've heard other atheists talk about this topic. Jesus ascension to heaven played a huge factor in the whole christian historical expansion. He had to disappear somehow after his supposed resurrection. They could not let him go around in the story because that would prove him a fraud or at least would complicate the story even more.
But if Jehovah can read hearts then why take 1,000 years to see who loves him? That part makes zero sense in the JW fantasy.
Flying - and im NOT talking about with the use of ANY apparatus 😂😂😂
“Beer & lobster” I thought we were supposed to all be vegan in paradise? Or did I imagine that because all the fruit in the paintings?
Great point! There was much disagreement about that. I was definitely “team meat.” No way Jehovah never lets me taste bacon anymore.
30:18 this was a huge wake up part for me too, like years before I actually got out. I remember having a discussion with a “spiritually mature” group at the hall after a meeting. I was asking after the final test will we be considered immortal and perfect. Everyone was like no, we won’t technically be immortal. Wait what? Perfect but not immortal? What is preventing us from sinning? Why weren’t Adam and Eve just made that way from the start. Why couldn’t they have been made to not be able to choose to sin, if that’s the only thing stopping us that we won’t choose to sin. 😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫
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Somehow, I started to think that Jehovah's way to guarantee good behavior was to make sure everyone remained killable (as much as that didn't work the first time around): "That's an awfully nice life you've built for yourself over the last 10,000 years, be a shame if something happened to it..." Just like Adam and Eve were created with a limited lifespan (that would only be exceeded by eating from the Tree of Life) - Jehovah always kept murder on the table as an option.
Or how about not inventing sin in the first place? Do the animals sin? No, they just live. You would be stupid to think your dog is being immoral by humping someone’s leg. they just do what dogs do. I guess it’s not as funny though to create a world that isn’t full of land mines
WOW! Great video. I noticed most comments are about what "I want to do in Paradise". No one seems to explain how are we to worship Jehovah in Paradise. It seems (to me) that once you make it to Paradise, you will not even need (nor want) Jehovah anymore.
Good point! Everyone will be listening to Elders who will be the “mouthpieces” of the GB up in Heaven, trying to get the info straight on where to find seeds to plant to grow food for the starving JW survivors!
Ohhhh my god. When I was younger I had that same epiphany. I've always been a writer too and I remember being so horrified thinking of a "perfect forever" with no art. I remember sitting at the meeting having a panic attack about it as a little girl while my mother sat next to me thinking how "encouraging" the talk about paradise was lol.
As a writer as well, yes. The idea that there would be no such thing as conflict or struggle in the new system was something that put me off the religion. I didn't stop believing, but I accepted that I wasn't someone who could be a witness and that my only hope for salvation was to die before the end.
What changed my mind was meeting my wife and telling myself that the happiness and love I felt couldn't be wrong. Jehovah would understand. But even if he didn't, I'd rather live this short painful life with her than all of eternity without her.
I loved this, Jake! It reminded me of all of the "fun" paradise convos we would have as JW kids. Most of them revolved around my pet panda, my tiger and dolphins. 😂 BUT...as I got older, I never understood why we couldn't go to college to become engineers and architects. Wont we need safe buildings and houses? Heck - how about electricians and plumbers... don't we want running water and toilets in the new world? I also always wondered if we could still fall and break bones or if we would miraculously heal instantaneously like a vampire. If not, then we might need a doctor, too. 🤔
And now, many years out of the Org.... I can't even remember where in the Bible it actually states there will be a paradise on Earth.
Lobster rolls. Apparently the higher up in the organization you are, the better selection of foods you get!
Lmao right, he seems bougie or upper crust. Used car salesman vibes. Raking in that wine and cheese and lobster roll money
It was always funny and confusing that there would be safety equipment in the pictures of the new system.
When my mom asked I’d say I wanted to sleep underwater, since it would be impossible die. My mom would say “that’s not what living in paradise means!”
The Jehovah's Witnesses began as a disagreement between two men over the true meaning of Bible scripture.
That's it.
I am a 75 year old atheist who read enough of the Bible to know exactly what it is - the written thoughts of Hebrew tribesmen living on the Sinai Peninsula during the Bronze Age with no knowledge of democracy, science, the internet or critical thinking.
Happens in fan fiction communities all the time
Then you would know that Jesus is Jehovah…. And not watchtower garbage
Perfect comment lol
The first part of your comment is correct, but the second part couldn't be more wrong.
Most of the Bible was written after the end of the Bronze Age. Democracy wasn't a thing at the time but democracy now breaks down when things get difficult. They also didn't know about science but still they prescribed things like quarantine, washing hands, etc. Bringing up the internet is like trashtalking Newton for not understanding rocket science.
When I thought about being in Paradise I always thought that we would still get hurt, for example if we fell off a mountain but then we would just like respawn or an angel would come and save us
PLS😭😭😭
Lmao yes, like Lakitu in Mario Kart!
Lmfaoooooooooooo I always thought about this.
This video is what my brain sounds like when I'm trying to sleep🥲
Edit: Your CZcams poops give me life🤣🤣
I never really thought about it as a kid. Everything was very handwavey. At some point I outgrew believing in miracles. My parents never did 😅
I ABSOLUTELY LOVED this video!! i was SO entertained!! You are HILARIOUS!!
did i make it this early that the video hasn't even started? *gets popcorn and waits patiently*
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When I was in, me and my friends had the idea we'd have a ship like the USS Defiant from DS9 in paradise because the heart wants what it wants (and Jehovah said he'd give that to us)
I love that there are so many Star Trek nerds among the JWs. Kinda ironic.
The fact you referenced George on Roseanne made my day. Jackie and Booker forever!
This is the analogy of the bakers pan in the "Bible Teach" book. Why doesn't the baker choose to use a non-dented pan? Lol
GREAT POINT LMAO
I didn’t grow up as a JW, so learning about your experiences and the teachings has been really interesting. I know you’ve been through a lot, but you’ve retained your sense of humour and you’re a great storyteller.
I also had my own idea of what paradise would be and was excited at the thought of exploring the universe. But other brothers/sisters said that that probably wasn’t going to be allowed. And then talks started coming out that we would get preaching assignments for resurrected people. Preaching work was always miserable for me so in my head that was like doing ALL the JW tasks just so that I could make it to “hell.” Needless to say that made me quite miserable but fortunately I woke up shortly after that.
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Great video. Paradise is what JWs base their whole hope on but it is the loosest part of their doctrine. I remember a brother gave a talk when I was a kid and said that in Paradise it would only rain at night. And that day I realized that we all have our own ideas of what Paradise would be. It’s basically just repackaged Heaven. It’s just a vague afterlife location to pin all their hopes on.
Had an older gentleman in a hall I went to said that god would fix his face and give him the well deserved handsome face he worked hard for. I told him “I don’t think god is doing plastic surgery. Our faces are not imperfect our bodies are.” He was mad mad. I mean it was so silly….
Oh MAN that is such a great point! That’s absolutely a thing: everyone gets hotter. No uggos. But like…why? Ugliness is not a social construct, but a deformity caused by Sin?
What I’ve realised from this is that Old Testament = Star Wars Legend canon and New Testament is Star Wars Disney Canon
I thought that God would probably allow homosexuality in the new world. I mean he only told Adam and Eve to not eat the fruit, which means everything else was probably fair game as long it didn't hurt anybody.
I of course never said this out loud.
God unlocks homosexuality like a reward in a video game
Only for fantasising boys like you. @@altworldly
Do you still view the anus as a sex organ?
When I was still actively preaching the truth and treated poorly by the resident I had one instance where I lost it and I told the resident that when Armaghedon is fulfilled I WILL TAKE YOUR HOME. I was too angry! The worst place to be a Jehovah's Witnesses is in the Netherlands.
During the part when you were talking about how stories have to have conflict I was reminded of the movie The Invention of Lying and I was thinking of asking you if you had seen that movie, and then a few seconds later you mentioned it! You read my mind! 😊
I never gave it any thoughts. I just figured it would be whatever worked. I was always more concerned about the upcoming hockey season.
One question I always ask is what if you get remarried after your partner dies and then they get resurrected….
Jake I can't wait to read your book! I'd started writing a dark scifi comedy series when I was PIMO and even finished 2 manuscripts. Reading through them now it's so obvious how I was censoring myself in case someone I knew read them when they were published (yeah, right), and revising them with the freedom to write what I want is so satisfying. Also my head cannon was that we'd travel anywhere in the universe instantaneously via "Angel Cabs"😂
Thank you for the kind words, and I did the EXACT SAME THING AAAUGH!
@@altworldly Time to start the ExJW Writers League lol
You made some points I had never thought about.
The recommended AltWorldly videos in the sidebar (or below, on mobile) are the bestest!
When you talked about the whole “jumping off of a building” and feeling no pain, it reminded me of that Simpsons episode where the family falls asleep in church and each family member has there own dream of a Bible story. It’s hilarious!!
When I was a JW, I always thought that once the earth is fully populated that Jehovah would eventually give each family their own galaxy to then populate. That was my reasoning as far as why there are so many galaxies in the universe. 🤷🏻♀️ Sounds so stupid now. 🙄
I love it. Epic. Grandiose. Mormon-pilled.
It's amazing that your musings are actual LDS doctrine.
I actually never thought this stuff through!? Man I was a dumb kid I guess! Nice work again Jake!
the part about tom hardy killed me hahahahahha
i remember a convention they brought up all the 'what will paradise be like' questions and i actually got kind of excited, thinking there would be some answers 🙄 nope just this gem of am illustration . . .
'if a friend invited you over for dinner are you going to accept the invitation? or berate them with detailed questions about the menu'
Nobody can tell me that Sir Patrick Stewart is not sexy. He wanted to play Data and it's so perfect that he played Picard ❤.
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We still get to have tv and Internet in the new system
Based. I don’t want to live in a world without movies and video games and television and podcasts
Your question of "won't there be another Adam & Eve" reminds me the RDM version of Battlestar Galactica,
"This has happened before and it will happen again"
Splaine: "maybe [in paradise] you will be assigned to live in a city... you can learn to love it" 😬
Lol. Dying here. You WILL learn to love whatever reality god makes.
@@ramrod576 haha yeah I was literally open mouthed in disbelief listening to that talk. 🤯
I had a friend who was convinced of space travel in the new system, and he was going to do it in a replica of Dash Rendars Outrider.
I too am an aspiring writer, but because I was an uneducated construction worker I figured I had to wait until Paradise to be a writer. Like you I realized all good stories are about struggle and conflict. Cormac McCarthy said something to the effect of if it isn’t about death why write about it? So yeah, in a way, Paradise would be the end of story, not just because of the end of mortal struggle and conflict, but also because of the need to sanitize everything so as not to embarrass the most sensitive little god who ever existed, Jehovah.
As I’ve gotten older and seen more death I asked my dad(still in) what would happen when the brothers and sisters that had lost their spouse,sometimes nursing them for years until they died, had eventually gone on to marry again and then said spouse comes back from the dead and goes “umm I guess we aren’t getting back together then Geoff?!”.
Totes awks.
He just says “Jehovah will make everything ok”.
I don’t question him anymore, he’s nearly 80 and was baptised at 21 so I really don’t want to “stumble” him because it’s basically all he knows 🤷🏻♀️
31:00 This is what made me realize paradise is more of a dystopia than a utopia. We can't do whatever we want. If we still have to live by "Jehovah's moral standards," how do we have free will? Will we be punished for doing sinful things? Cuz that goes directly against the meaning of free will. That's also why I never understood the whole Adam and Eve thing. Why exactly were they punished for exercising free will and what is free will, exactly? I've asked a few close ppl and they themselves were not able to answer that question. Theyve tried to rationalize it in their mind but being a hw means not having critical thinking skills, so they're only able to think so far before they inevitably give up and shut down.
Great topic. I remained aJW for so long because of the hope of living in paradise and I also love to write and created my own fan fiction about it and publish it in form of entrances of a WordPress blog. I could talk about this forever... But to make it short, yeah, I also thought about the poliamorous relationships only without sex😂😂😂 And yet, Even though I am not a sexual person myself, I thought it may not be fair for some....
Anyway, I will comment more in another day. Thanks for sharing
The holy scriptures does state that the righteous shall possess the earth and dwell upon it FOREVER
I kinda thought god was waiting for clean energy and sulf sustainable housing. I never thought god would obliterate all infrastructure, hed leave usable things intact. Like why? I assumed we would gradually replace the old world.
My head cannon starts with Armageddon and how god would destroy the world in an organized way. In order for humans to keep up with the cleaning and rebuilding process Jehovah would need to go continent by continent. If this isn’t what happens is god really a “god of order”?
32:17 - 32:26 This was one of the things that woke me up as well. Why does it take God thousands of years to prove a point that humans cannot rule themselves? He's just watching us suffer while he has the ability to do something, but chooses not to cuz "its not thr right time." And we have no right to feel any type of way about God taking too long to bring "the end" because apparently its disrespectful to question the most high. But if we're able to come up with the question, shouldnt we try to find the answer? Surely jehovah created us with intelligence for a reason, right? So why cant we use it? No jw can give me a proper answer to those questions, so for that reason, I stopped believing mentally.
My two big speculations were 1) galactic expansion and 2) a gift based economy. The economy would be that everyone can do what they want, producing goods or preforming services as they like, and being generous with their talents with their neighbors. Like a barter system except there's no sense of exchange because exchange would make a need to establish value equivalents and that's where hurt feelings come from. As for galactic travel, this is not faster than light. We will have vast city-ships which languidly drift between the stars and since we live forever, the interstellar millennia wouldn't be a big deal because you're traveling with a million of your closest friends.
Some one has gotta make of Science Fiction
That point about gray hair is really good. And what about rellationship in family, when mother, grandmother, grand grand mother... they all will look as young girls? Is that OK? I don't think so. We loved our grandmothers because they were so nice in their age.
I love the paradise lore. So much unanswered questions
I’m not sure if it actually says this in the publications, but I was always told that after the final judgment after the thousand years, then the issue of God‘s sovereignty and his right to rule would be settled. Therefore, if any disagreement presented itself, God would no longer have to give Time for that disagreement to be explored he would have the right to eliminate anyone who opposed him. Back then it made sense but now in the words of Christopher Hitchens, it sounds like “a celestial North Korea”
Haha, good video Jake. ❤
I wanted to build a ship and sail around the world. I also wanted to explore space.
I wanted a tiger and a black panther😅 Me and my dad were gonna grow watermelons so big we could crawl inside them.
I burst my ear drum when I was a kid and I was sad that I couldn't really scuba dive, I remember being excited about being able to scuba dive and I kinda believed that I would be able to breathe underwater..
I remember witnesses talking about Jehovah would maybe create fruit that tasted like steak or crab, cause we will all be vegetarians.😂
My dad also talked about the cliff thing, I remember he said that he pictures if he fell off a cliff Jehovah would just pick him up..😬 my parents always say everyone will have perfect hair. They must like hair or something. 🤣
I definitely thought we would go to space and populate new planets. I mean, if we lived forever, and continue to procreate, the Earth would become overpopulated unless we can move off the planet. Another consequence of living forever is we can afford the time to travel billions of light years, no matter the speed of our spaceships. Would we terraform other planets? Or adapt to the new environments?
Did Jehovah plant other sentient beings on other planets to worship him? If we live forever and explore the cosmos, we would eventually encounter them. Did they have their own version of original sin?
Ok, so as I'm writing this, a new thought occurred. What if the reason it feels like it's taking so long for Jehovah to smite the wicked is because there are people on other planets, and Satan is influencing them too. So all the populated planets need to synchronize their timing of getting rid of Satan. But each planet is at a different stage of their redemption. I mean Jesus needs to go be born on each of them and get sacrificed there, get resurrected, then move to repeat the cycle on a different planet. That takes on average 30 years per planet, so depending on how many planets are populated, it could take a while. I mean it took, what 4000 years between when Adam and Eve were created until Jesus' arrival on Earth and another 2000 years after that, so there's at least 200 planets by that math... Oh there's another rabbit hole....
This is interesting, because I'm realizing I was PIMO for most my life. I never really thought about what paradise would be like. I would think about questions like "okay, so no one will get sick or grow old. But will accidents not happen anymore? Someone falls down the stairs or cuts themselves while cooking and it doesn't hurt? My grandma was a widow and got remarried. When both her husbands are resurrected, who is she supposed to be with?"
Edit: apparently you had similar thoughts, lol.
I remember when I was in a young elder discouraging the congregation when it comes to speculation in general. That of course also meant not making headcanons about what's gonna happen in paradise. Wait only what's being "revealed" by the GB, and focus on the ministry, and study the Watchtower and Awake and stuff. And all the while, even the other elders I used to be friends with, they too had questions about the future of the dinosaurs and space travel and how free-will really works over there.
If JWs are gonna think about paradise to strengthen their faith, only contemplate about the surface level things that's relatable to the least common denominator of what everyone can agree paradise will be, like sleeping in the forest, no animals will hurt them, befriend lions and snakes, inviting resurrected Bible characters, meeting people from history, etc.
The more I listen about this 'Paradise' idea, the more it reminds me about Ira Levin's "This Perfect Day"
I always thought about if we would die from drowning or if we were so perfect we didn't need to breathe underwater, and swim forever. I never actually knew about the 1000 year thing until now. Great video!
I had so many logistical questions. Also was bummed that only the most boring people in the world were going to be living there. It would be like a never ending congregation get together- simmer down folks you’re having a little bit too much fun. Is that music appropriate? Remember only Elder approved dance moves - stand and sway, stand and sway 😩
Great video🎉 as a born in, bizarrely I struggled with teeth in the paradise. In that I thought ok so in 5000 years I will still have the same teeth as will everyone else, how medieval is that! , so using your notion of ‘thinking inside the box’ (brilliant!) I considered god (who I now call big JG) would replace our teeth, like a giant reverse tooth fairy. 🧚 madness how you square the circle when you are still ‘in’
i remember once we were out in service with two elders, and one of the elders started talking about "maybe we'll start colonizing other planets" in the paradise. He got out for the next door and the other elder went. "wow hahaha. other planets. that's pretty out there! haha.....that's not going to happen." its funny to see other comments mention space travel too.
Cedar Point? Uhhhh. WOAH. I grew up in Bellevue lol. I used to work at a local hobby shop with a member of the JH Kingdom Hall there. She'd always bring in pamphlets. They had her doing guard work building the KH over there even though she was so poor and had to take time off work for it.
On the other hand... It *is* the roller coaster capital of America 😂
When I was pimi, nobody liked anyone else’s version of paradise. For instance, a sister said there would be absolutely no twerking in paradise. Not even in the privacy of a married couples bedroom. That’s when I came to the conclusion that I didn’t like her version of it
My head canon:
I would live in a secret house nearby a waterfall and my husband/lover would be some guy and we would both stay in the house and never go outside to help with preaching and just eating free food not paying rent and living next to a waterfall. Also I would imagine everyone who mistreated me would live somewhere else and I would make sure to live far away from them if they survived Armageddon. Also lots of kissing fantasies because i was a teenager and i wanted to fall in love.😂 And i would have lots of pets like i mean a lot. Any animal i saw was going to be mine. But that's as far as I got because I started questioning everything and I lived in an abusive household so I had to internally criticize every theory and then pretend I was agreeable. Eventually everyone could tell I was not answering how they wanted me to and didn't want baptism.
My theory about perfection wasn't what we typically imagined; it stemmed from the belief that humans were created in the image of Jehovah, who experiences emotions like hurt, anger, and sadness in a righteous way. Perfection, in my mind, didn't mean flawless in every sense but being mentally healthy and physically robust, with an immune system capable of handling challenges like cold viruses, which Jehovah obviously created for a purpose, if we jumped off a cliff, we would feel pain and maybe just heal better?
Then there's my theory that we were just in the first week of many future creative weeks. Maybe next week in Jehovah's agenda was when the real party started! Because sitting on pandas and snacking on grapes all day couldn't be the endgame, right? like if even i thought that sounded boring obviously jehovah had more in mind?
Why do guys go the multiple partners route? Most of the men I knew would argue that they would have multiple wives and I would always think where in the Bible are you getting that from? If you ask any woman in the org multiple husbands was never an option.
It got me thinking that under a patriarchal mentality, then it would make sense. However, there are matriarchal cultures out there that might think differently, there are places where women have multiple husbands and that's the norm. I wonder if a convert from a matriarchal culture would want multiple partners.
You’re having a little barbecue in the back yard.. what’s cooking? Fruit?
A basket-luck (instead of a pot luck?)
Dude you got some really good questions!!! I wanted to be a rock star playing guitar for Jehovah and the great crowd forevermore 😢😅😮😊
I really like this idea and want to post how I imagined things- medical, economic systems, space travel, etc.
But I would point out 1 small thing- a correction
Rebuilding the earth was always the plan after Armageddon, at least since I was a kid, born in 74. The Live Forever book (82) has some shots of paradise with building going on. The Creation book (85) has a couple pictures of both rebuilding AND cleanup. That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are brochures and wt articles from before that as well. So that's 50 years. Not exactly recent.
As far as i remember people could still die in paradise. So if you jump off a building yeah you could die but since it's paradise that stuff would never happen
We can't all become, for example, 30 years old because for some of the dear brothers, Paradise includes an unlimited supply of little kids.
I believed gay marriage would be allowed in paradise and that their homophobic stance was only a misunderstanding by the governing body, because deep down I had always known that there was nothing wrong with it. When they became more and more homophobic in the broadcasting era, that’s what made me realize that they actually had no idea what they were talking about and everything came crumbling down from there
well, I’m a vegetarian already and I wouldn’t mind having a pet panda, but I sure don’t want to spend the rest of eternity on paradise Earth with a bunch of JWs
If there’s no metal music and better clothes than that I’m out.
I never had the desire to live and sleep with farm animals that poop and pee as they walk, the smell alone would be horrible ‼️
I argued with so many people in my teens about me being able to bring a car through into paradise. I also had your logic regarding clean energy and figured I'd swap the motor with an EV one. As for infrastructure, I figured we'd at least have some dirt paths. I hated the whole being relegated to fruit baskets and an Amish-esque lifestyle until the end of time. Idk, was a weird hill to die on. 😅
Excellent discussion 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾! I always thought we are basically going back to the mosaic law, under the law you basically got put to death for everything, so after it's all said done once you reach perfection, pass the final test and then thousands or million years go by you " can't " mess up because no " foolishness or sin is allowed so people will always be getting destroyed by God 🤔 plus animals will still die as well 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
Fairly recently a car salesman was trying to sell me a battery powered car he made it sound completely fantastic - clean and green, quiet, fast with excellent Range.. sounded perfect until I probed about the lifespan of the battery and what the cost of replacing that battery was and how the battery loses capacity over its short lifespan and problems like ways to charge and the cost of electricity and the cost of installing a charging point at home and battery recycling and residual value and on and on and on and so many caveats. This is exactly paradise: Jehovah’s Witness version of Paradise is a car salesman pitch.
More and more recently they have been making post-Armageddon sound like utter hell. No just chillin and doing just what you want, no living where you want, there will still be meetings, still be a hierarchical misogynistic control organisation. There will still be field service; teaching all those resurrected people Jehovah’s Witness doctrine. You still have nasty clothes and nasty haircuts - there are so so many unanswered questions. The thing that really disturbed me is the resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous so all the psychos and paedos will be back- all of them that have ever existed from the beginning of time. Earth would be the biggest bomb site ever with corpses everywhere- imagine the stink?? The maggots??? The flies??? The PTSD for all eternity??? So so all those pictures of fruit baskets and pandas are just bullsh*t with life just being 1000 years of corpse shovelling, extreme landscape gardening, meetings, preaching and er I guess that’s that’s pretty much it until brace yourselves to rinse an repeat with Armageddon round two.
And regarding Armageddon round two: right surely after millennia of humans being exposed to Satan in the Bible Adam and Eve screwing up, destroying it all and starting again with Noah and they all screw up after that, the nation of Israel relentlessly screwing up.. you or I could tell God RIGHT NOW that his plan to wipe it all out and start again with the big A is already doomed and the one thing that would fix it all is to just stop fannying about and kill Satan. This entire plan of utter Bond-villain insanity just makes me think that Jehovah really does love himself a jolly good genocide.
This also - if people are being resurrected to perfection why would any be gay, - according to JW own doctrine? Surely the former things will not be called to mind so Stephen lett was just contradicting his own bull. In the long term paradise sounds like one non-stop District convention in a garden - yeah great! I noticed too that there’s been a change in the artwork in recent years, they no longer show the whole riding tigers and cuddling pandas stuff. It’s all just building work in a garden with the wildlife way off in the distance.
I also knew an elder who had exactly the same dinosaur fantasy, that they would be giant compost making bulldozers that we would train as organic, green JCBs, frankly though if that were fact, that in itself would make me want to survive Armageddon. The same Elder also told me that I probably wouldn’t get to have a horse because they were always weapons of war in the Bible and Jehovah had their hamstrings chopped so they probably wouldn’t be any horses in the paradise. (Notwithstanding giant white sky horses obviously) That was it for me, at 10, I was out.
28 was my best year in every way. 53 now.
BTW - I've never noticed how beautiful your nut-brown eyes are until today. Swoon.
Can you imagine an eternity, living on a vegetarian diet and having no joys of sex? And being a farmer, would be boring after a while.
What about all the factories needed to make basic items, like cloth, metal tools, building materials, generate power etc. You need jws to do that. No-one else is allowed to live in paradise. Someone has to spend time making, repairing or inventing things. JW will be expected to give free labour, just like they do now for Kingdom Hall builds.
Interesting, especially your polyamory in paradise take. My headcanon was that Noah, the patriarchs, Moses and all the prophets up to Jesus were already among the Anointed, like the Anointed were a group that already existed before Jesus was born as a man. They went to heaven already and were already aware of everything that's happened.
I was always told we would go to the age of 25 cuz that's when the human body stops growing and starts to slowly break down - aka we start dying.