BURDEN OF THE DEATHWATCH OATH!
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Today we discuss a space marines end of service to the Deathwatch. And the effects of the oaths he must still keep...
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It was actually nice to see a Chapter Master, in front of all his Honor-guard show some compassion to a returning Brother.
@Pedro Kantor, the Crimson power Fister sounds like you speak from experience.
@Pedro Kantor, the Crimson power Fister The first rule of deathwatch quoted like a veteran of many campaigns.
We all have been there battle brother, a Máster of the Chapter Is just an experienced and older neophyte.
I remember reading a story in the Leviathan Omnibus where some space marines were fighting Tyranids and one of them gave some information, and their commanding officer was like, "How do you know this?" "I can't tell you," was the reply. The CO just nods and carries on.
Tyrannical War Veterans are bad ass!
Respect and dude had anti nid bolter ammo on deck
It is shared former DW members become veterans when they return. They use their knowledge gained and show their chapters how to fight xenos when they come across them.
Well yeah just not what They did
They do spread the advanced knowledge of fighting the xenos but not his actions
And there are thousand of chapters with different customs
I also think that the focus of that conversation is the circumstances of His Brother's Death.
It is entirely possible that the oath only extend to the actions not the knowledge of fighting xenos
Not being able to speak.of the campaign and misión parameters doesnt mean you cant share enemy Intel and weaknesses.
I actually didn't know about the oath of secrecy. I've always thought that deathwatch marines who return to their chapter share their knowledge and experience with the rest of the chapter to help it battle xenos better.
I mean any marine paying attention to the returned brother they may still notice a difference in tactics. I would assume most deathwatch members who return prolly move up the ranks pretty quick too. Still the secrecy is both cool and dumb lol.
They all have to take that oath, but they have to share their experiences at xenos hunting and that's not included in that oath, only the details of the missions of the kill team.
The Purpose of the Deathwatch also includes sharing of knowledge between Chapters to improve their efficiency. The details of their missions are redacted but their training and skill aren't and they are encouraged to share these knowledge
Its just misión parameters and campaign specifics that arent shared, enemy Intel and weaknesses found aré shared of course with the chapter master say so, its also why the ones who returned aré promoted to squad leaders, sargents or even drill instructors amongs other ranks.
They can not speak of what they know. They can never tell what they have done. But actions will always speak louder than words. If a deathwatch veteran kills, say, a Necron Lord in a different way than standard procedures, others will notice and try to mimic the results. If the veteran shows that a war hammer will do more damage to a Xenos than a power sword, then the squad will make the connection and retrain in the new weapon to combat the same, Xenos. DeathWatch veterans don't have to say anything. They can simply show their chapter what they have learned in combat.
The Inquisition always overcomplicate things to such heretical levels that is becoming a joke.
..."Becoming" a joke?
That sounds an awful lot like heresy
@@samuelmills79 "EVERYTHING IS HERESY"...and the fact that you felt the need to imply that it was an issue of debate is...BLAM...Heresy.
Not all Chapters follow the inquisition and not all who does does It becouse of religión or zeal, sometimes its about Honor and being where your aré needed the most.
In Dawn of War II, Cyrus served in the deathwatch and speaks pretty freely about it whilst still remaining guarded on the specifics, nice they remained loyal to the lore
I just assume the BR will be tight lipped about it... Or the Watch won't do anything out of fear of getting their shit stolen.
@@chegorilla1468 BR are tight lipped on a lot of things.
You cant speak of deathwatch misión parameters but you can and should pass on enemy Intel and weaknesses found.
Cyrus was the first and only BR to be in the Deathwatch.
While unconfirmed, it is remarkable that his service coincided with the disappearance of several relics.
Grey Knights are exempt from joining the Deathwatch, but that's cause of Inquisition. you should give the audio book, The Last Guardian a listen. it has the Deathwatch taking on daemons
Check out "furry apocalypse"..
Chapters that don't exist have advantages and disadvantages.
Advantage - They don’t have to give marines up to the Deathwatch.
Disadvantage - Nobody goes outof their way to help chapters that don't exist.
@@psychedashell true. most recent joint mission was with Dark Angels against Thousand Sons, and that left both the Grey Knights and Dark Angels in shambles. Grey Knights do have 500+ recruits to pull from their 8th brotherhood, but it was still a devastating blow to both chapters
@@GreatChickenGod I was actually referencing the Grey Knights Armageddon run-in the Space Wolves and why they couldn't get the Wolves a healthy Exterminatus or declared Heretics but that is an equally good example.
I love good audiobooks it is great to be able to listen to a good story. I really like the Graphic Audio productions it would be awesome to see them tackle the black library.
Speaking of Deathwatch, did you notice that the newly announced Uriel Ventris model will be released without the Deathwatch arm?
He has a patch on his leg..
@@MrDecelles still, not the same.
I have nerdgasms every time an inquisitor goes missing while investigating the Unforgiven. I wonder how the Lion will take to their scrutinizing ways when he returns. Everyone is worried about Guilliboi and Lion being at odds. I disagree, inquisition is probably going to be the cause of a civil war on that front.
Guilli would burn the Inquisition in defense of his last living brother in his eyes.
Man the lion would be great right now
Totally right
Not even needed, there are plenty of radical Inquisitor that will happily joint Gman. Hell, even a puritan inquisitor like Greyfax agrees to listen to Guilliman time to time. If Lionel returns, Guilliman will find a way to make a compromise between the two, any inquisitor who disagree will has half of his colleagues and 2 founding chapters going for their blood and that's is not counting most of the founding chapters still have some score to settle with the inquisition, especially the puritan kind. The black Templar don't have a fond memory of their brothers the Celestial lion getting back stabbed. And I think there are plenty of similar incidents like that
One thing Is certain, the Lion Will go on a hunt along the Galaxy and Many Will join His call, i for one cant wait to bend the knee and assist him in exterminating anyone he points out as enemy.
Blood of Asaheim by Chris Wraight covers a story of a space wolf returning from deathwatch and trying to fit back into his old squad. It covers alot of lessons learnt from other chapter astartes, which changes his view on tactics and fighting etc.
Inquisition doesn't really touch the first founding chapters because of the status they have. It's one of the reasons they didn't go all the way against the Space Wolves. They are more inclined to bend the rules and bury the truth than to do otherwise.
Is that so i know that the stupid inquisition was attacking fenris and the wolfs we’re using there ships to save the planet
Did not go all the way? They were literally threatening their homeworld with Exterminatus. Basically only stopped by plot and timing. Grey Knights are calling that entire period the Months of Shame and has permanently made Space Wolves and Inquisition on edge around each other. They were so overt in all their antics for this first founding chapter it's nuts. Neither side is perfectly in the right either but god dang the escalations that happened
OK in the past a deathwatch marine was supposed to teach his brothers new means to fight the Xenos after his service in the watch.
Now it seem that shoulder pad is an honour as well as a weight.
You can share enemy Intel and weaknesses found, its just misión parameters and campaign specifics that cant be speak about, like the weaponry they use for example or the planet they were Sent to, there aré also different degrees of compliance depending highly on chapter culture and codex compliance.
The inquisition is not immune to politics and factionalism. There are plenty of stories where inquisitors push too hard on their 'authority' and find themselves without any allies. If one of the major chapters had a brother that broke faith it would be hard to say...the blood angels fear their mutations being discovered for this very reason....but a chapter like Ultramarines headed by their very own Primarch??? Yeah, good luck with that!! He would certainly deal with matter internally thats that.
Well Guilliman is surprisingly well connected with the inquisition. After all, his resurrection was helped by an inquisitor, a puritan inquisitor no less. Which is a rare occasion considering how much distrust the puritan have for unorthodox methods. And in the past, Guilliman has a hand in the consolidation of power to the inquisition. Since the inquisition itself has factions with opposing policies, it won't be hard for Guilliman to snuff out any single inquisitor who disagree with him
Brother Astador of the punchable face by venerable Ultramarine Uriel Ventriss. Who is excited for his new book?
The Chapter level exterminatus by the Inquisition for talking is firmly into grimderp territory.
They have done a lot worse for a lot less.
Not everyone Is subservent to the inquisition though, you would never see them taking on Angels both Dark and Blood or spacewolves.
@@Dreadbringer It says a lot about the Space Wolves that even the inquisition is too scared to screw with them.
For the Emporor!
The Kill Team has a massive bond. His name is The Emperor of mankind.
Without him. A Space Marine wouldn't exist.
We ARE all cousins.
There are a lot of other pieces of lore, where veterans from the Deathwatch returns to their Chapter, and does indeed share their experience with the Chapter. Cyrus of the Blood Ravens for instance. So I would chalk this up, to be one of those "disregard if you want to" pieces of Warhammer Lore.
Yeah. I think they can share experience,skill or even tactics they've learnt from Deathwatch. The only thing that keep in secret is everything about what he has done during their service in Deathwatch
@@samsamng2009 Indeed. To go further on your idea, I would speculate, that it is only very specific mission details that they aren't allowed to share. After all, the Deathwatch are often facing enemies that the normal Adeptus Astartes also face regularly, there is literally no reason to keep such encoutners secret.
My favorite 40k CZcamsr and my favorite faction. Smashed that like. Thanks for this Rho! 😃
I would've put the layer of lightning behind the Space Marines, and put another layer of fog in front without lightning. Cool effect though.
I’d love to see them try it with a first founding chapter
Listened to this for a second time. Too good.
Great example of this is found in Blood of Asaheim.
This secrecy of the Deathwatch is exactly the 1st Legion lives and breathes, funny how it is a burden to others.
I understand the reason the vow is kept. It’s the Ordo Xenos maintaining a lid on their activities. Opsec at its most extreme
LOVE the Deathwatch! Every story, glad to see them on the channel. Keep them coming. Damn the inquisition is powerful.
A very good point. If there were an oathbreaker amongst the Ultramarines or the Blood Angels, and their reasons were suitably just in the eyes of their brothers and leadership, I think the Inquisition would throw the biggest hissy fit imaginable, because they would be utterly helpless to do anything about it. Guilliman already harbors a great deal of disdain and disgust for the current state of affairs, let alone the Inquisition. And if they wanted to try acting tough against either the Lord Commander's legion, or against the Lord Regent's chapter, they would very quickly find a power armored boot in their backside.
The inquisition is the Danzo Shimura of the 40k universe. They fuck up a lot of things to prevent bad stuff from happening but are responsible for other bad things happening because of said actions
I would love to see a story where a marine breaks their oath and the inquisition comes for them, but it turns out the oath breaker was secretly alpha legion.
Oh that would be amazing because then it plays into what the reason must have been for them to break their oath as well, I would imagine the Inquisition are absolutely ruthless in probing the minds of marines selected for the Deathwatch before assigning them to a Kill Team to check for any reason to doubt them
@@thatlonewolfguy2878 good point. maybe an empowered alpha member who would be able to pass for a primarch could have the subtly to do it. would be an epic long game to cripple a whole chapter.
I'd love to see that as part of a large deathwatch series that goes completely wrong with dark angels killing other marines alpha legion doing that and the inquisition. Don't forget space hulks and fallen related issues would be sick
“Is [the oath] fair?”
No
“Does it even make sense?”
Hell no.
Well take It Up to your chapter master.
It stops the Ultra-depression.
Can you imagine how pissed the Angels or Ultramarines would be if they all knew there was specialist bug killing ammo...
Flipping Imperium seems determined to screw itself over.
Last time I was this early I....I don't know, I've never been this early!
Is it just me that thought listening to the bit about the punishments, that this could be why the Charcarodons can never return? Admittedly, I'm not completely sure on their lore.
I like to think it is actually a test of the Loyalty of the chapters. The Inquisition absolutely would set up an annual test of each and every chapter it can. I think this is that test. Testing the fear they have of the Inquisition testing their loyalty to the Empire testing their steadfastness when it comes to keeping their word testing their honor. These are things I think the Inquisition absolutely would do.
The inquisition would also end up missing if it were the lions cubs that they messed with because we all no the lions cubs are faithful only to the emperor and the lion himself not the inquisition.
Firstly- their experiences Are shared *without context* if needed for mission critical circumstances- Ex. I have this knowledge of the enemy (and others can infer How they come by the knowledge). It’s certainly part of what the chapters get out of the whole deal - Tactical Xenos training.
The part that comes along with said deal is their oath and secrecy- which could very well affect On-going Inquisition missions etc. so their oaths are entirely necessary.
They are to keep the secrets of their operations but not their knowledge, it's like the techmarines, there is a lot they are alowed to talk about their training but they grant to their chapter their knowledge and even, some times, trained space marines with gift to repairing things.
Rho I’m not crying. It’s the pollen in the air. You have become my favorite lore channel hands down! Even if you are a son of Russ.
Here is a fun idea; the inquisition have a small hint of the history of the rangdan xenosides and the early onset of the great crusade, including the lesson of the lost primarchs. They were erased fo💥💀
The simple truth is that human, eldar, Astartes, inquisitor, even Primarch are vulnerable to chaos. Secrecy is paramount.
I remember talking to a friend who became an astronomer. His team was searching for planets in other solar systems that could support life, but when looking for something this (relatively) small, other objects can get in the way. One such object was an asteroid. It was knocked out of the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, and initially appeared as if it could reach Earth’s orbit and could be a near miss. It turned out that us was no threat, but when it first was discovered, a government team came to investigate it. They told him if there was such an asteroid found, they’d have to keep it to themselves or face “legal trouble”. The government would simply lie about it, because if people thought a world-ending asteroid impact was coming, society would disintegrate instantly. Raping, murdering, stealing, it would be impossible to control it.
That’s how the Inquisition views Chaos, Xenos, etc. People cannot know what’s out there, not even the Inquisitors.
really nice video man. You should do more videos on the deathwatch. They are such an interesting chapter.
I think the black tape over there experience helps hold the bond in a killteam since as a group you would have to be open with your team to work really well together to the highest of their ability using ALL of their abilities. Some chapter secrets might be revealed because of this but because of the oath it is still kept secret and the member can use it as an advantage on missions.
I can't believe that some people are so closed minded that dont even think for a sec why they do something not just assume its because of the inquisition getting high on their own ego.
Personally, I want a deathwatch novel or novels, with the perspective of a black shield recruit, and the team he is with trying to guess what chapter he belongs to.
Other great video thanks Wolf Lord
Really enjoyed this, thank you ☠️
Wow, an absolute gutter! I'm new to the Warhammer universe and Deathwatch is one of my chosen faction of focus. To the oath of silence that's taken, the acknowledgement of the Return of Soul and weapon by the junior member, Action says everything. It seems a similar thread throughout the lore that the Greatest Deeds are only known by an Honored few.
"The Emperor PROTECTS!"
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A really wonderful video.
I see the Deathwatch as the Imperium's Foreign Legion. A fighting force made up of Astartes outcasts coming together to keep fighting, having nothing in common except their duty and saving humanity from its enemies.
Great comparison, The Black Shields of the Death Watch are often criminals of the Imperium given a chance to redeem themselves alot like the original Foreign Legion !
Depends on the Chapter. Some like the Ultramarines see it as an honour to have a brother called to the Deathwatch, and laud his return to their ranks as it will aid the Chapter in the future (a skilled warrior to lead a squad, teach the Chapter anything he learned in the Deathwatch etc.).
Other Chapters see it as penance for great wrongs and expect the battle-brother never to return, to give his life in service to the Imperium and repent of his sins, he has a chance to die honourably, and it saves him being killed by the Chapter command which might get messy if he's well liked, it could cause a potential Chapter civil war.
Pure speculation, but maybe the Death watch is doing much more than fighting xenos, maybe the inquisition also uses them to discipline other chapters. Possibly even making some astartes attack their fellow brothers and the oath of secrecy not only protects the inquisition, but those who have served in the watch
This is prolly a thing too.
It's one of a few way to improve relationships between Chapters. The Deathwatch is like the international space station. If anyone has an opinion about his colleagues he gonna have to talk about it politely, not bashing in the face of the space marine he doesn't like.
I think it's mostly because the Inquisition is always plotting, several different factions within it fighting each other for power or who-knows-what. On top of that Deathwatch missions might not simply be killing Xenos but maybe retrieving Xenos artifacts. Should any of the details be known to anyone outside it could compromise the Inquisitor's or their faction's plans.
Best example is the Shadowbreaker novel, should any of what happened there leak to the outside it would turn into an absolute mess for the Inquisition.
mention any of your time in the Watch and we bring ruin to your world!
Space Wolf: wrote entire saga about it, then piss on the Inquisitor ship on the way out
We see how a couple other veterans of death watch that meet each other after leaving the Deathwatch in Vox Tenebris. A space Wolf and Dark Angel. It is implied that they used the knowledge to help their chapters but they do talk about what happened between them during the story. Also in the story Call of the Wyrd when a wolf is haunted by a vision and knows he needs to leave the Deathwatch and go back to help. These are also great examples of how the Deathwatch works and how marines from different chapters interact when not with their chapters and just sharing a battlefield.
While the Inquistion is mighty, there are some groups/organisations it can not touch. Not for legal reasons, but because those groups are too powerful and an open conflict would escalte into a civil war, one the Inquisition might infact lose. (Remember the 2nd Invasion of terra!) Those groups are: The Custodes, the first founding chapters with reasonable amounts of later foundings (UM, DA, BA, IF, IH, RG and WS), the black templars and most of the other 2nd founding chapters, the Mechanicum and last but not least every Space Marine Chapter which is a part of the unforgiven.
They can't have their celebration while the inquisition is near. Gotta keep that cannibalism restrained.
I get the game of thrones "nights watch" Vibe from the deathwatch.
We are the watchers on the wall ! .... For The Watch !
Nice content as usual.. I hope we get a salamander week next
This is wicked! Can I throw in a request for a Grey Knights excerpt next?
I think the secrets that must be kept feed into the cult like mentality required for the best of the best. The experience of a deathwatch veteran is above and beyond the standard line marine. They come back and must keep these secrets and because of this are able to be trusted with greater secrets.
They did a good job on angels of death with kazarion
Nice to see the mortifactors getting some attention
I guess that the vision of a fleet entering the eye of terror gives us a good idea if what would be done to a chapter such as the Ultramarines. They most likely wouldn't be destroyed, but sent on a penitent crusade. Which, if it is into the eye, could be just as bad ^^
‘The Deathwatch are a team, inquisitor. Our individual differences make the whole stronger.’ - Watch Captain Quirion Octavius seconded from the Imperial Fists Chapter
‘How does it feel to be back?’ asked Ragnar, gesturing towards one of two stone benches. ‘Strange?’
'Ingvar sat on the nearest bench, feeling exposed without his armour. Even with dausvjer sheathed at his side, his grey shift and fur-lined cloak felt like flimsy protection against the Fang’s permanent chill.
‘Somewhat,’ he replied. Ragnar sat opposite. His movements were easy and unencumbered. The machine-grind of his suit’s systems was barely audible. Something about him radiated confidence, ebullience, vigour. The Young King had none of the grizzled majesty of Grimnar, nor the raw elemental potency of Stormcaller, but now that Ingvar had witnessed him in the flesh he finally began to understand why he had been elevated so far and so quickly.
‘I am curious,’ Ragnar said. ‘I served away from Fenris myself. What can you tell me?’
Ingvar didn’t meet the Jarl’s gaze.
‘Little, I am afraid,’ he said. ‘Forgive me, lord, but…’
‘…the Inquisition would have your lungs on a salver,’ said Ragnar. ‘And then mine. Very well, then - keep your secrets. But be aware: others will press you harder.’
Ingvar’s eyes flickered out of focus, their gaze uncertain.
‘I believed I could come back. I truly believed it. I wear them both now - my two lives, intertwined, interdependent. I thought I could keep them in balance.’ He looked around him then, as if suddenly nervous others might be listening. The apothecarion gazed back at him, deserted, echoing with antiseptic emptiness. Baldr’s blank expression registered no change. Ingvar lowered his head further, keeping his voice to little more than a hiss.
‘I have to tell someone,’ he said. ‘If we are both to die here, far from the ice and unmourned, I have to tell someone. You will not remember. No vow is broken.’ Baldr’s face was unmoved, locked in the rigid grip of paralysis. His sickly features seemed carved from granite. Ingvar paused, poised over what felt like a precipice. Heartbeats passed; his own strongly, Baldr’s almost undetectably.
‘I no longer believe, brother.’ Ingvar’s voice almost broke as he spoke those words. His hands gripped the side of the table. Horror filled his heart, horror that he had spoken such a thing out loud. Until then he had never done so, not even in the privacy of his cell’s solitude. The psycho-conditioning of the Adeptus Astartes was so ferociously strong. But not unbreakable.
‘I no longer believe,’ he said again, more firmly. It was less terrible the second time. Like unlocking a door into a hidden chamber of forbidden secrets, more thoughts spilled out, tumbling after the first one. He had broken the taboo; the totem had been cracked. After that, anything was possible.
‘We were seven,’ he said, no longer staring at Baldr’s static features but seeing things far away. ‘Just like Járnhamar, we were seven. Callimachus of the Ultramarines, Leonides of the Blood Angels, Jocelyn of the Dark Angels, Prion of the Angels Puissant, Xatasch of the Iron Shades, Vhorr of the Executioners, Ingvar of the Space Wolves. We were Onyx Squad.’ Ingvar smiled softly. ‘We did not call ourselves that. Halliafiore gave us the name. He gave us our missions. He gave us plenty.’ As he spoke he heard the faint noises of the apothecarion machinery working around them - the hum of rebreathers, the drip of saline valves, the slow click of medicae-cogitators. The chamber itself seemed to be listening to him.
‘For a while I held on to the past. I kept to the old ways, I walked the path of the ice. I learned to doubt slowly. Callimachus was patient. I think he liked me, for all the pain I gave him. He believed I would see the virtue of the Codex if I could be shown how it worked. He was right about that, at least at first. It was painful to see myths unravelled. Do you remember when we used to laugh at other Chapters? Of course, we were different. Nothing so hard, so cold, as the soul forged on Fenris.’ Ingvar bowed his head lower. He stared at his own clenched fists. ‘To do what we do, we have to believe. We have to believe there is no alternative, that our destiny is sacred, set apart from the start. That is what we are told in every saga and forced to learn by every Priest.’ Ingvar reached up for the soul-ward again, clutching it tight and straining the chain around his neck. ‘But what if the myths are broken?’ He remembered Bajola’s contempt. Myths. ‘I have seen things, brother. I have seen star systems burning. I have heard the screaming of a billion souls. All of them, screaming. We couldn’t shut it out. I still hear them.’ Ingvar’s right hand started to shake. He let go of the soul-ward and clamped his gauntlet firmly against the steel.
‘There are weapons, Fjolnir, things you would not believe. There are devices so powerful that even to speak of them outside the Deathwatch is to earn execution. Only Callimachus could have been trusted to give the order to use them. He would have done his duty even if it meant tearing out the heart of his own primarch. Could I have done it? I do not know. But he did. He gave the order, and we used those things on our own kind, burning them into atoms so that the Great Devourer would not be able to feed on their corpses.’ The cogitators ticked gently. Baldr’s chest rose and fell. The rebreathers hummed. ‘Then we had to watch it come. The Shadow, so vast it might have been another star system in motion. We had to watch it move over us, blind to our presence, day after day, huddled away from its wrath, watching its living ships ply across the void, watching them crawl into the warm heart at the centre of the galaxy.’ Ingvar shuddered at the memory. ‘Endless,’ he whispered in horror. ‘Endless...’ - Ingvar Orm Everrson, aka Gyrfalkon[Blood of Asaheim - Chris Wraight
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They just don’t want everyone to know the Deathwatch is chock full of Astarte from traitor legions.
Life, death, and duty for sure would forge comradeship.
I actually didn't know that the Death Watch weren't allowed to speak of their accounts of time.
Same.
Most of the Deathwatch codex speaks of the benefits of having a marine go to the Deathwach, mostly knowledge - black operations that can't be spoken of are expected but most knowledge comes from discussing experiences.
You cant speak of misión parameters and campaign specifics but enemy Intel and weaknesses found aré to share of course, why do you thing the returning ones get promoted?
@@Dreadbringer that makes a lot more sense.
@@michaelhowell2326 i for example have the deathwatch veterans of my chapter as Drill instructors and squad leaders. And remember that the chapter compliance to the inquisition depends highly on chapter culture battle brother. You'll never see them go against the first foundings for example, well not succesfully anyways.
I wana do a blood diamond clone and il be picking one up used to mount on the carry handle on a arms 2 mount. Other than a clone build id go with something more modern.
Wolf lord please do some more stories of the deathwatch, there's so few on YT
I hear Mortifactors, i like.
To be honest, I never read much into Deathwath lore and from a superficial understanding, I indeed thought they would share their experience with the chapter.
Considering how the inquisition operates, it makes sense that they would not want anyone to know how they deploy or scheme with their forces.
Spoiling us with a weekend upload Rho!
Based on other stories and tidbits of lore. The secrecy of the Deathwatch when returned only covers the missions, not the tactics and general experience gained by the veteran.
So a veteran is allowed to teach his brothers how to best destroy an alien or explain the aliens motivations and tactics, but the veteran is not allowed to tell them how other members of the deathwatch fell, against which foe or anything else about the specific missions.
Always find it odd that they wear full armor even in their monastery. In the HH they wear robes and such when not on duty.
they wear robes in recent guy haley books aswell
It depends highly on the sector you are in though, would you disarm yourself in enemy territory? Thats my pov on It.
For the emporer for the lion
Indeed battle brother.
I like to think they have to keep there silence because they don't want the advanced tactics of kill teams being used by chapters as its the death watches edge over them and they have there own agendas to keep not known... basicly black ops in 40k...
If it were an ultramarine I think Guilliman would side with the Inquisition. We all know what the lodges did to the original traitor legions. Something that would seem good like breaking an oath to remember a fallen brother can have dire consequences.
one can't help but wonder how badly the resources of the imperium are mismanaged, if the inquistion has an army to bring down whole chapters of space marines what other departments of the imeprium have forgotten resources at there command that could be put to good use but are not, i bet you each of the high lords has a private army to deter the advances of other lords etc
It seems like blood angels must have a particularly tough time with their blood lusts and uncontrollable rages.
Never speaking of what they do is not the same as sharing their experience. As an example, talking about a DeathWatch crusade against the Eldar is forbidden, but if their originating chapter faces a similar Eldar force they could say, "Watch out for XXXXXX, they use XXXX" and never speak of how they know it. In our games this is permitted since the DeathWatch of previous editions was intended to share knowledge of how to combat the Xeno effectively. Apparently less so in more recent editions.
I should repaint my marines as deathwatch. Each squad continuing a mixture of different marines. Could still technically play them as a single army.
Go Deathwatch!
Sleep Brother,were in presence of Death.
How is the Chapter Master's name written?
What was the Deathwatch book that said that the knowledge of the foe fought would be taken back to the returning Marines chapter and shared?
Cute name for a space marine
Honestly it makes you wonder how the Inquisition would know if a Brother broke his Oath like do they have psykers specifically dedicated to tracking ex-Deathwatch marines or something? Is it idk a voice recorder bug in their armour? They can't possibly know unless someone told them
Oh shit! It's dawg corbulo's other unit than the blood angels
Adoni? Wasn't that the name of the neophyte from the audio drama Taker of Heads? Wonder if its him.
Probably because the Chaos gods are basically powered by thought any sentient being that thinks about them keeps the gods existing. Less beings knowing or thinking about them, less power for the c gods
i agree but how can you fight an enemy or avoid corruption when you dont even know your enemy nor the ways he will use to corrupt you.
The Chaos Gods actually feed on emotions and thoughts that align with their dominion. Ever got a boner? Congrats, you strengthened Slaanesh. Ever punched someone in the face? You just prayed to Khorne. Plotted a prank? That's a Tzeentchian ritual. Ever felt or got sick? That was a gift of Nurgle.
@@SirJesusFreak yes i know this, but to actively fight chaos one needs to understand it, and how it will corrupt you ,like this :"teach a man the path to hell, so that he will know to recognise and avoid it.
@@xFirtewx was actually directing this to OP, but yes, absolutely.
@@SirJesusFreak oh my bad brother , i did friendly fire.
This is the way!
Oops wrong watch.
Okay what do the Mortifactors think of the Ynnari eldar faction? Both death cults but a galaxy apart in terms of tradition and beliefs. What do Mortifactors think of resurrection, does an eldar witch resurrecting the Primarch Guilliman get an free pass? Or does this spit in the face of their chapters identity? Or does Guilliman need to tell the morts
"Hey brothers, chill. She did me and the Imperium a solid!"
Makes me think. Why, does the inqusistion do these oaths? Is it to prevent chaos?
As an army would you share all your knowledge and info?
What are those plasma guns?!
I really hope Guilliman will end up bitchslapping Inquisition hard at some point
That they are not allowed to speak about the missions could be related to some things Inquisitors do, when they ally with some Xenos or use technologies ect. and if some SM Chapters hear of that it may have massive drawbacks. Black Templars f.e. may just starting a crusade for siding with a xenos and may declare war against part taking chapters and the inquisition ect.
Which chapter was refused service in the Death Watch?
Special Forces "Need to Know"
I don't know who would be the inquisitions arm in the initiation of violence against a space marine oath breaker. Deathwatch don't fight marines. Grey Knights don't fight loyal Marines. Sisters of Battle don't fight marines either. Tempestus maybe? The threat seems idle, logistically.
Wolf Lord Rho have you read passages from the novella "Wolf King"?
Man thats a stupid oath that would never work
I think the writer forgot space marines are sent to the deathwatch in order to become specialist xeno killers, how is his training going to account for anything when HE CANNOT SHARE HIS EXPERIENCES.
I think it's not the knowledge of the xenos that is the reason they cannot speak I think it is what they see of other chapters , if oyu serve alongside a blood angel who succumbs to the thirst and speak of it you destroy the chapter and all their descendants.
I want to join the Deathwatch.