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Brands are allowed to cater to a certain body type, and people are allowed to have an opinion and critic things online!
I agree with you but in this context it’s critique.
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Critique*
Whats next though, they cater to one body type, and then what after that? What then do they choose not to cater to? I agree to an extent, but it is definitely a slippery slope.
There are brands that only go for oversized people and they are glorified. Yet when it is about any other type of body it gets shamed and company gets cancelled.
I’m pissed about the lack of universal sizing standards but that affects EVERYONE no matter your size 🤷♀️
Hard agree
Yeah, I agree. I wish all clothing brands used the actual measurement system instead of number sizes.
Why not buy from a separate company though? There’s no reason you have to buy a specific brand, you could just as easily shop elsewhere that you know carries your size. Brands are 100% allowed to have a preferred demographic. It’s like complaining about Gucci being expensive. If it’s not obtainable, change your lifestyle to make it obtainable.
I wish they’d all agree on shoe sizes, especially now as people buy online so often. I have shoes that fit perfectly but are all three different sizes. It’s nuts.
@@mindfullyhere did you reply to the right comment? They're not talking about brands here. They're saying there should be a universal sizing language so when we go from brand to brand you don't have to constantly try 15 pairs because the sizes they use mean different than the other despite having the same numbers. That's frustrating for everyone
more of the problem i see people taking about the most with plus sizes is that they go out of their way to make the ugliest plus size clothes. They dont just make items in larger sizes they do completely different ugly things that no one wants or asks for.
Yeah..as if being fat doesnt mean you can be pretty...
A lot of companies apparently also scale up ALL measurements equally for their plus sizes which if youve looked at a human body is not how that works
@ashrowan2143 alot of companies also have "plus size" but they are small asf.
Omg right? It's often so heinous! Whenever I've passed by the plus-size clothes, especially the lower-price kind of places - most places, honestly, by the quality - I feel bad for the bigger people stuck wearing that stuff. Even the "toned down" stuff, like it looks _insultingly_ bad! Weird cuts, wild colours, odd patterns, ludicrous "accents" big enough to be clothes on their own... Sometimes it's specific to the plus sizes, too. Like dang, just let people live without making a...idk, a _spectacle_ of them! X(
what's with all the animal print and overused floral ? Who asked for that?!
Fat person here. The problem is that you can't take his words in a vacuum. "Focus on the brands that do make clothes for you," I can think of three stores in my entire metropolitan city that cater to fat bodies, and they're all miles above other stores in price range. This isn't a matter of changing your perspective. Very few clothing brands take fat bodies into consideration, and those that do are extremely costly.
Internet exist, find an online shop. These days shipping is cheap, and most plus sizes brands are online.
@@kate5334it can still be pricy or if you find a clothing item you ACTUALLY like, it might not have the exact size you need.
Overall, women who have a "fatter" body type tend to have a lot more problems especially with clothing.
@@Dr_DragonShade I imagine that would be the case, considering women's sizing is notoriously variable from brand to brand
I worked at a store that catered to plus sizes and I couldn’t even afford our clothes. I literally had to wait for sales to afford it.
It works the other way too. I'm part of the Itty bitty titty committee...
My bras cost the same as the ones for massive breasts and many, many brands don't even make an A cup. Life doesn't cater for the extremes in every case... We have to find the brands that suit us... Online shopping gives a massive variety. ... And I still have to pay a freaking fortune for a bra that supports nothing.
My problem is that he is encouraging the message that people should just shut up and sit down rather than having an open discussion that could cause positive changes to happen. I’m 100% in support of advocating for one’s self and others.
Exactly, well said. That’s the issue- no matter what he actually intended the message to be it came off so dismissively.
I feel like hes moreso advocating for voting with your money. If you support brands that make studf you like, youre supporting the demand for that thing, and the supply will follow.
You need to go watch his response video again. Listen to what he says, not what you THINK he says.
@@SkunkApe407That’s a silly comment when most things people say will have nuance and context including not-so-hidden statements.
@@ghoultooth what you THINK someone said is IRRELEVANT when that person literally puts out a video clarifying their original stance. You don't get to decide what someone else meant. You have to be an absolute narcissist to think you know what they meant better than they do.
The thing that bothers me with clothes is women's clothing rarely ever accounts for bust size and as the shirt sizes go up they don't get longer. I gave up and started just wearing men's shirts.
The reason this happens is twofold. One when the confection sizes were first drafted, the average woman had a C cup. Present day, the average woman has a D/E cup. Secondly, they scale the sizes by adding or subtracting the width in the side seams without correctly adjusting the bust. So, an XL shirt will still have a C cup as its core.
I also have this problem because I have shirts and dresses some are S and some are XL just because the brands don't take the bust size into account. Although dresses are the most difficult to buy in this regard because there are so many beautiful dresses that are too short because when they are made the size of the bust size is not taken into account
@@KeaganZ2737This is really interesting, thankyou for sharing
Edit: This is a genuine comment, just covering my ass in case it comes across as sarcastic 😂
@@viktorija214 omg all the dresses I've tried and was absolutely dismayed because i could mostly fit everywhere but my chest 😭 I just couldn't zip them up 😢
Yup. You're wearing a shirt made for an xs person, just stretched out enough to go over a bigger body
The clothing is not even just about people who are overweight, it’s also about different body types. For example, I’m tall and it’s hard to me to find clothes my size in certain stores. Yes you can shop at other stores but at the same time people are allowed to advocate for brands to be more inclusive. It’s funny how he tells people to stop bitching about the brands, yet he’s bitching about people advocating for brands to do better 🥴
I’m 6’3 and skinny and have the same issue, that’s where there are certain brands and “big and tall” lines for people like us just like there are plus sized brands and skinny brands, go find something you like there’s no point complaining. Maybe a brand will become more inclusive if it could make them money but if you aren’t anywhere near the target audience then it doesn’t really matter to them and there’s no point in getting mad at that, it’s business
also it’s weird he put multi-million dollar companies and the preferences of average people in the same basket. Like, huh??? I think he would’ve gotten less blowback if he put his point about supporting brands with a wider range of sizes before his caping for brands that don’t. Terrible communication and delivery going on here.
This! While I get where he is coming from if everyone was just to excuse brands catering to a specific demographic by saying that they can do whatever they want then no brands would change. Unless you’re an indie/small brand with a minimal budget, people shouldn’t just have to “suck it up”. I have a wider variety to choose from when shopping as a short, curvy, black girl because people like me refused to shut up about being excluded in clothing, makeup etc.
Same for me except in the opposite direction 😂
@@namesizack and i'm sure you've never complained about anything "pointless" your entire life! this shouldn't be a crazy take but maybe people can complain about pointless stuff if they want to, if it makes them feel better to get it off their chest. sincerely tell me you've never once even grumbled about something while knowing it wouldn't accomplish anything. everyone complains about shit, people even complain about people complaining.
let people talk about things that bother or inconvenience them, and express in what ways they believe their problems could be solved or alleviated. i don't know why conversations like like this one send people into a tizzy like it's a personal attack? so weird. but as the point i already made goes, you're allowed to complain. just know you sound as dumb as you think everyone else is
I hate when people say brands have a right to have their own opinions, but for some reason we, as the consumers, aren't allowed to. Make it make sense
Edit: didn't think my comment of everyone being allowed to have free speech and an opinion was going to be so controversial
You as a consumer choosing what brand to give your money to is literally you (consumer) exercising your opinion. It’s the free market and it’s very simple
@@ranchdressingisablessing8082and we’re free to critique the market or lacktherof too😊
@@Rebecca-bk9bd nobody argued that you weren’t lol
@@ranchdressingisablessing8082 It's one form, yes. What's your point?
@@uwufoxie was just pointing out the flaw in your statement 👍🏻
Problem with plus size clothing and brands...if they even have plus sizes available their either online and/or fugly. Then the stores say "oh well, plus sizes don't sell" so they keep their plus sized offerings to a minimum- but its not selling because its only so many animal print, floral, weird saying, oddly patterned, cold shoulder, mickey mouse tops and pedal pushers anyone can wear. If its not those things, its basic. All plus sized people are saying is take the straight sized clothes...make them bigger. That's it that's all. Don't put on your websites and commercials that you're all inclusive, then only offer XXL or offer extended sized items you would NEVER even THINK ABOUT offering to smaller sized people.
This. I've gone back to shopping at Hot Topic of all places because they actually size up their patterns and make their cute clothes up into like 3/4x not just baggy t-shirts with mickey mouse or skull prints leggings (looking at you torrid)
@@qryptidtorrid is hot topic though. They're both owned by the same company.
It used to be that torrid just was where the plus sized hot topic stuff was, but around 2015 they split the companies.
Tbh, this is better because when I was a teen, there was a single torrid a few hours from me and online shopping wasn't even an option.
@@qryptidsometimes I'll scroll through hot topic online and be pleasantly surprised that they actually have plus sized listings with models for their online listings and then be sad that i consider that to be some kind of exceptional thing for a company to do when it should honestly be the bare fucking minimum
@@qryptidI will say that alternative brands seem to be a lot more inclusive to plus sized people WITHOUT compromising their designs and patterns. It’s just a shame because, of course, it’s alternative clothing and while that’s great for us alternative people it isn’t ideal for someone who wants a “regular” style shirt.
@dismurrart6648 I know, that's the wild thing. They're owned by the same company but Torrid offers 90% the same Disney t-shirts and leggings and knock off doc martens every single season they're just offering the same baggy stuff time after time and calling their jeans revolutionary every spring. Yet Hot Yopic actually has fun designs that have whimsy and cater to different alt aesthetics and fandom in a way other than a graphic T (tho they have more than their fair share of graphic Ts too lmao)
Essentially he projected a personal coping mechanism onto the public, assuming that everyone would both understand what it's meant to do without explanation and, well, without explaining.
Yeah, now keep that same energy when an autistic unmasks.
It’s his channel why is he not allowed to have an opinion on his own channel
@@zomgkb because the Earth Shakers are always victims. You have to treat them like they didn't eat themselves to the point of having their own personal gravity.
i’ve been searching for a comment that says this !!! he clearly had a lot of self-hatred towards himself, and it’s sad that even after experiencing the type of discrimination he’s talking about, he can’t sympathize.
@@zomgkbthis commenter didn't deny him, his own opinion
What really freaking annoys me are brands that SAY they’re size inclusive but either just don’t actually carry larger sizes or provide the ugliest crap for large sizes at luxury brand prices.
Or they’ll label a 3xl as equivalent to a damned 18 US womens. 😒
Or the use the pattern for a smaller size but just scale it up In a way that don't make sense so the fit is awful
That's why it's annoying when people start an argument with "people are allowed to..." Of course they're allowed. Everyone is allowed, and opposing opinions are allowed too. No one is saying that brands with limited sizing should be illegal or something, that's silly.
Crazy thing is, some people DO feel that way... and it's INSANE! Like I get what he was saying, I think his first video was decently worded, but people think they should be catered to, and if they aren't it should be illegal.
When in reality, people should focus on the brands that DO offer them thier sizes, instead of spending so much energy being negative about the brands that don't.
Discrimination is definitely something people should fight against, bruh
Right because those brands can easily decide not to work not only with people of certain bodies , races , nationalities and disabilities because they don't fit their "aesthetic "
There are a lot of stores that just sell clothes for obese people. Is that discrimination against skinny people? I’m 5”8 and 125 lbs its hard for me to find clothes that fit me well and look good on me.
@@Iceicebaby0117 are there alot of stores though??? More stores sell smaller sizes , even in the comments you'll see people complain how expensive those stores are, I'm not plus size but I'm 4'8 and definitely support having brands cater to all bodies not just big bodies ALL BODIES
@brendamurithi_Kari, this take is incredibly uninformed. Just because a brand doesn't offer a certain size doesn't mean they are discriminating.
To offer a product to the public, you must afford the manufacturing cost. There's something known as economies of scale, which implies that when you order a large quantity of a product, the price decreases.
For this system to be efficient, you must sell that inventory. If it does not sell, the company is left with a significant amount of product, preventing them from creating new SKUs for their majority customer base.
With that logic, would McDonald's be discriminating against Asians for not offering sushi rolls?
Like many others actively looking for solutions rather than spreading senseless ignorance, there are countless brands that cater to a specific size, and their entire inventory serves that customer base. And, just as before, if those companies offered a smaller size, they would literally sit on that inventory forever.
@@brendamurithi_Kari i’ve been at malls (not big ones) that have atleas 3 stores for obese people.
The irony of him insisting this isn’t something you should waste energy on whilst wasting energy on complaining about it…
He’s a creator that kind of tries to teach based on his own experiences. I feel like he was trying to tell people to focus their energy on positive things in their life ( like maybe praising brands that cater to them) I think he was just trying to say “don’t stress about that” but he comes off callused
I genuinely believe in my heart that if youre happy with yourself and your life then you dont act like this. Also, some peoppe CANNOT. HELP. THEIR. WEIGHT. I have PCOS. Ill always be a big girl. I work out 5 days a week, i go hiking and eat fairly healthy. Im still big. To be told "the clothes are not whats unflattering, Your body is unflattering" is so RUDE. Im always gonna be a big, overweight girl. I should be able to wear beautiful l, cute, trendy clothes.
Watch michelle mcdaniel. She has pcos as well and she is able to controll her weight. I do understand we are different, some people have a strong will power some dont. But it doesnt hurt to try
@justyciaulve9603 it's not about willpower lol. And don't give people unsolicited advice about health.
Being 6'7" must suck!
Beds aren't long enough, many doorframes aren't high enough, sinks are uncomfortably low, people assume you have time to reach things for them, clothing needs tailored...
Fat woman here. Grew up in a time where plus size fashion was effectively non-existent. As a 20-something I had to drive 300 miles to reach a store that carried my size, and trust me, they did not cater to 20-something women. So I absolutely get people's frustration about clothing lines not carrying their size.
Now, that all said, I don't think this guy said anything wrong in the first vid. It's what he didn't say that was the problem. He spoke to his audience in the same way that he speaks to himself, and he should've made that clear. He responds to a certain level of self directed harshness, and that's not going to go down well with a lot of people. If he'd simply said 'this is how I deal with that sort of thing' I think it would've been better understood.
It's like personal trainers.Some personal trainers go with the kick you in the butt attitude. Others are positive affirmation people. I needed someone in the middle. Different things work for different people.
HIs follow-up video was good. He acknowledged he didn't express himself well. He owned the criticism. And he promised to try to do better. That's really all you can expect from a person who effs up. What he does going forward is what should matter to his audience.
In the end, he was right. Businesses are going to do what they're going to do. End story. And dwelling on the negativity of frustration about that fact can be detrimental to your mental health. So if it is, don't dwell. Move on. But if you've got the strength to challenge it. Go for it.
As a plus size girl i don't think brands need to include all sizes its just nice that they do. Nothing you can do but just not shop there. I just don't give them money.
All he wears is a black tank top from Walmart. Idk what he's yapping about.
Which is why he said he has a hard time find clothes that fit his 6’7 frame we can be upset but let’s not act obtuse
It's not that larger people think that EVERY brand has to cater to them, it's that virtually NO brands cater to them because we've decided as a culture that fat is morally repugnant and thin is virtuous.
And the average American woman is a size 14, but the sizes of most US women's clothing brands do not represent that. So it's even more ridiculous
Actually there are a few brands if you shop online, LL bean has nice clothes and they do tend to run bigger than their size numbers
Not necessarily, I’m petite and skinny and virtually NO brands cater to me. And I don’t think it’s because we’ve decided as a culture that being 5’ and smaller than a size 00 is morally repugnant. I’m just aware not everyone is built like me so I can’t expect brands to cater to a small percentage of the population
@@michelleangele7328 Yeah, but that's different. 68% of American women wear a size 14 and above. The sizing range does not reflect reality when it doesn't include larger sizes, whereas you are legitimately a size that is a very small minority.
Also a huge problem is that brands choosing to not make plus size clothing means that less brands will do it. Brands tend to look to other brands for what to do, and if they see that no other place does plus size, why would they themselves bother to? Im not even that big, but i still have a hard time finding clothes that actually fit me well, like finding something as simple as bras is a nightmare because i happen to have a big rincage. Its not that the cups or anything else is too small, its that the bra itself is not big enough to fit around my ribcage without compromising cup size. People saying that is on me for being "plus size" are fucking stupid because those are my bones, i canr exactly just lose weight and make them change their shape.
My main problem with this is the fact of, yes, brands are allowed to make whatever sizes they want, but my problem lies in the fact that you almost NEVER see this when it comes to plus size stores. I have shopped with friends at plus sized stores (i'm small/average sized but I like the accessories), and found things that fit me easy. There are plenty of plus size stores that still carry clothing for small people. And when they don't, no one defends these stores when people write hateful things about not having things in smaller sizes. It's a double standard.
Not only that, but to the argument of "the style doesn't fit your body type", has never stopped companies from making clothes to fit smaller people, even though the design isn't flattering on smaller bodies.
👏🗣THIS ARGUMENT DEFENDING COMPANIES ABOUT NOT SELLING EVERY SIZE ONLY HAPPENS WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PLUS SIZED PEOPLE🗣👏
You know what I would like? Brands to be size inclusive, and be inclusive in every way. Meaning, not just general weight sizing but like.. height sizing?! As a 5’10” woman, finding clothing that is long enough for me is extremely difficult and discouraging. If we are going to push for body positivity, then we should be doing so for all aspects.
I'm also a 5'10" woman, and yes!! This!!
I also wear a size 13 women's shoe and it makes me actually angry at this point when I see a store say they cater to "all sizes" and have shoes for "even the most hard to fit sizes", and they use that fact in their marketing - and I go in and their biggest women's size is 10. Which is a completely normal size. Like it's just genuinely infuriating at this point. I've honestly had to adopt the same viewpoint as the guy in the video and just try to let it go. I can't change my height or my shoe size, so being angry about it does nothing for my mental health. I adapted to dressing more androgenously so I could get away with wearing men's clothes and shoes, and I can live with that. It works for me. I'd love to wear more cute stuff, and be able to walk into any store and find something for me, but it is what it is.
I also used to be obese, and I know what it's like trying to find good plus size stuff. But honestly I still have a much more difficult time overall with the height and shoes. There's really just nobody out here fighting for body positivity to expand to those realms anytime soon.
I really wish there were more options, and a better way to help everyone get what they need so they can express themselves and feel their best 💜
I’m 5’2 and have the opposite problem! I have to have my paints tailored unless a brand has a petite section. Not the end of the world but definitely extra time and $$$. I usually just wear heels most of the time because I’m too lazy to get them cut 😂
I’m also 5’10 and it’s SO difficult 😭 everything is always too short!
The day I discovered that Torrid sells extra tall jeans was momentous. Like holy crap, I can have jeans that reach my feet just like everyone else? I don't have to wear capris for life? Brings me back to my Victoria Secret catalog days when they used to sell 36" inseam jeans. Livin' the dream....
@@Cashhhhewgirl I’m 5’1 and skinny so even when I buy from the petite section a size 00 is too big 😭
So companies have opinions? Well me too. I had to listen to yours, now you gotta listen to mine. That’s how it works.
and as i company, I can disagree with your opinion and so on, life sucks move on
The problem is that A LOT of brands don't offer plus size options. It should be the goal of a brand to include as many people as possible. Like WHY do you not want me to wear your clothes? That's kind of suspicious. As a plus size person it is also very disheartening to find a piece that looks great only to see that the biggest size is like an L, at best.
Tbh I think it’s honestly because most designers don’t even think to design with that in mind. So what the garment looks like on a sample or smaller size won’t even look the same on plus size bodies. And only a handful of brands design accordingly from the start. They whip out quick designs and they see it as more work to consider how it will fall on various body types, which is lazy. Some high end brands literally only cater to 0-4 because they ONLY design the garment to fall one way. I definitely see that as lazy and cheap of them. Less work and quicker turnout for them.
As a tall women, even when I was average sized and not fat period, I was in plus sized clothes and gate kept from fashionable clothing choices, plus I was tall so nothing fit correctly.
The answer is that they don't want their brand associated with fat people because they think it brings their brand down and makes them look bad. I'm not saying that's at all right, but that's why they do it. They think that if someone sees their clothes on a fat person, they'll lose clout and respect from everyone else. Suddenly their logos are associated with "ugly" and "unhealthy" even though neither is inherent to overweight people. It's good old fashioned size-ism.
@@m0L3ify yep, the abercrombie & fitch CEO freely admitted this in a public interview in the early 2000s saying he only wants cool attractive teens to wear his clothes (🤢🤮). same company reached a $40 million settlement in 2004 where employees who were black, asian, and hispanic were forced to work in the stock room bc they didn’t fit the “look” abercrombie wanted.
@@Cashhhhew But this is a problem with everyday fast fashion brands, too.
The issue is that brands say they will be inclusive do the bare minimum and then say they tried. Or make the plus size clothes ugly af. Or expensive af when you go to a store meant for plus size people.
Plus sized clothing is more expensive because it requires more material to make more of the clothing…
@@ranchdressingisablessing8082 from my experience, I am on the lower end of plus size clothing so it isn't that much more fabric. Yet, my clothes are $20-$40 more expensive than an XL in regular stores. It is very frustrating.
I think that what Leo is getting at in that one is kinda like how brands like American Eagle and especially Brandy Melville are VERY difficult to find certain clothes for different body types and he’s trying to say “don’t waste your time, money, and energy trying to find your size in their brand because you’ll never be happy with it you’re bringing yourself down trying to convince a brand to stock your size when they’ve been anti your size for a while” Leo cares a great deal about fashion and his weight loss journey/fitness matters to him but Leo doesn’t always put things into words properly.
As a girlie with bigger features, I don’t waste my time with brands that don’t create silhouettes for girlies with bigger chests it will never look good on me so I don’t waste my time I stick with what I look good in and I know who designs clothes that suit me. I completely understand what Leo was getting at but he didn’t say it in the way he intended I’m not mad at him whatsoever for that, he’s right clothing shopping is a pain and you learn what works or doesn’t
Yeah if brandy mellville makes their door so I can't even get in, they don't want my money. Their loss but I'm not gonna give them my energy. Same with a&f and Lululemon. Both companies have said they don't want fat people so I'll take my wad of cash to avenue instead
Agreed
You've absolutely nailed it
He’s not saying don’t waste your time he saying I am fat phobic and I do not understand why fat people exist to remind me that that is a thing. This happens a lot with people they don’t address the problems with why they have such a big issue with their self image instead they just go OK I’m gonna control how I eat and then I’m just gonna hate myself when I’m skinny. That’s exactly his problem there’s so many other bodybuilder types or just fitness influencer tights they do this exact same thing. They try to act like sad people should just do what they did and be skinny. Not exist and to meet a standard that isn’t realistic. It is just fat phobia and he’s trying to wrap it up and oh I just don’t want to hear y’all yapping OK then don’t listen but he’s triggered by it that’s why he’s so upset lol.
He's not saying that at all, he literally said "its not the clothes that don't look flattering, its the body thats not flattering" and "being fat is a choice and there are consequences" and "eating yourself half to death" and he was laughing the entire time 💀💀 he could literally just say that he hates fat people and don't waste our time with this nonsense
I have always been a plus size person. I’m in my 60s now. There are more options now, but still not a lot of really great options. It’s not a matter of just sizing up small patterns-we are all shaped differently. Believe it or not, my underarm is not 50 inches around and clothing manufacturers are oblivious to this fact. We want beautiful, good-fitting, affordable clothing just like “normal” sized people.
This is why I gave up and learned to sew. I can now alter things to fit, and I can make things that flatter me. I'm not plus sized, but I am short with wide hips and finding trousers that don't drag on the floor can be a nightmare.
Honestly, if your primary target audience IS skinny people, even if you make larger sizes the effect of the design won't translate. I much prefer to go to a company that caters to my body style simply because the look is going to be consistent and the construction won't be slapdash in the attempt to make a dress designed on a size 0 look good on a size 10+. But then I am not obsessed with name-brand styles and couldn't give a rat's fart in space about what name is on the label.
I’m 5’3 and weigh 180. I can’t find a pair of capris to fit. I got two pair that literally go to my feet. It sucks
For sure but a ton of larger/plus size stores sell the most hideous stuff. Torrid is a good example lol. I wish you could get the same types of clothes that are in straight size stores (fun, trendy, etc) instead of zebra/loud prints and only certain “flattering” silhouettes
@@maryjane4432 They are out there, there is really no way that they are not with the number of people that create clothing every day. Keep looking, they will find you :)
@@WaffleSalad I 100% agree with you
I sometimes watch videos by a group of friends and two sisters where they buy the same outfit from the same place but in their size (they can range from 8 - 22+)
Quiet a few outfits they bought from look good on all of them with hardly any problems (some look better on the plus sized girls)
But there's some plus sized clothes that looked tacky and look to be made from cheaper fabric
Also when the plus sized clothes in their size says stretchy you'd expect it to be stretchy and not just rip as soon as it goes past their breasts
@@WaffleSalad heheh ngl you have a fair point.
Everybody deserves to be able to find clothing in their size. For a long time brands have just flat out refused to be inclusive and that's ridiculous. Plus size people have money to spend to, fatphobia exists, we don't want to be catered to - we just want some damn options and to be included. It isn't rocket science for a brand to just include larger sizes but a lot of them choose not to.
We all deserve to be able to clothe our bodies and just want options to be able to do so.
THIS PART RIGHT HERE.
I've never understood the obsession with brands to begin with. As a teenager, my narcissistic mother was obsessed with brands and often wanted me to wear them. I remember they opened a Tommy Hilfiger store next to our Zellers (this was the 90's). She asked me (rather hopefully) if I wanted a pair of 100$ Tommy Hilfiger jeans. I told her no, we could go next door and get 5 pairs of regular Zellers jeans for the same price, and the only difference was a logo. It frustrated me to no end because we "couldn't afford" my 15$ a week horseback riding lessons, but could afford a stupid pair of over-priced jeans. A week later she came home with a Tommy t-shirt that I was "told" (ie: forced) to wear.
I'm very chonk, I know and accept this. To me, if some dumb brand doesn't want to make clothes that fit me, I've never cared, because I don't want to wear their over-priced shit anyway. lol I love the clothes I have in my closet and none of them are popular brands. I think the most "known" brand I have in there is George, the Walmart brand, haha. Yes, it would be nice if companies were diverse and more accepting of plus-sized folks like me, at the same time, why would I want to support a company with *my* money, when they spent their entire existence acting like fat people don't exist by making only the skinniest of sizes? I guess I don't forgive so easily. XD;
You pay to be a walking billboard advertising for brands!
Brands get away with a lot of bs just because they hold the name. It used to be that luxury brands were actually pieced together and built at a higher standard with more durable fabrics and stitching. But these days they’re just as cheaply made as Zara or H&M and the price tag is status only. Idk why people still fall for that.
the start of his video sounded like stop the winning and suck it up, but later I got what he meant. The start did come across as your fault that this brand doesn't make it in your size, second half was your bank account says Primark shop, your attitude wants Prada, shop where suits your bank balance, not dream of what you can't have.
You DID NOT say you're 3'10" 😂😂😂 spat out my drink! Lol
As a petite curvy woman with some posture challenges, I took the first video as he says he meant it - sometimes stuff just doesn’t suit you, and that should not take up a lot of your energy. I find lots of clothes that I think are unflattering on me, so I leave them on the rack and find something I like.
My husband is also 6’7”. Sleeves are never long enough, shirts are too short to cover the lower belly and back, inseams are NEVER long enough and most stores don’t carry a 36+ inseam, so he buys a larger waist so he can sag the jeans down, and shirts are often bought too big to get that extra length. Shoes are a damn scavenger wild goose chase. I just make his shorts because the stores only have ones that are a weird length on him.
Brands are allowed to not cater to every body, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing to only cater to certain bodies??? It's okay to call out shitty brands
how is it a shitty brand if it doesn't want to promote obesity and unhealthy eating habits, sounds like pretty good brand to me
@@ushygushypushy offering larger sizes doesn't mean they're promoting obesity. People of all sizes should be able to buy clothes that fit their body.
He acts like we'll hurt the brands feelings if we critic them, like the brand will not hear from my criticisms but my friends will and they may decide to change their buying habits cause they may not want to support a brand they know has hurt someone they love by ignoring them
I think clothing brands deciding to exclude entire sections of society because the brands don't want them as customers, that's pretty shitty. To say to people being excluded "Oh, that's not for you!" is also pretty shitty.
Maybe he's just explaining himself badly, but telling bigger people they should be happy with what scraps they're given, that they should just accept the discrimination, that luxury clothing and things that make them feel fabulous are for slim people only? Nah.
i don't think it brings me down emotionally to talk about some brands making clothes that aren't meant for me, it's helps me find the things that work for me. it also makes me realize that my body isn't wrong, these clothes are wrong for my body.
there may be brands that i am too brown or too fat for (see former Hollister CEO) so they treat people like me like trash, i should be able to voice that they are trash to me too without some dude getting angry on behalf of a company that couldn't care less about him.
Not expecting a brand to have your size and simply commenting on the fact that it's hard to find clothes for your body when brands SPECIFICALLY say they hate you for not being anorexic are not the same thing bruh. They just hate visually larger people and know nothing about their medical history it's gross.
I have seen actual product images where instead of hiring a plus sized model to model their pants a company had one of heir other models just stand in one pant leg and hold the other side up. Those pants where plus sized and the product image has a skinny model standing in one leg how the fuck can people pretend brands just dont want to make clothes for fat people thats not thw problem here the problem is the rampant fatphobia in society that no one is willing to acknowledge
What in the HELL is that user name 💀
As a 6’1” woman, and CURVY let me be the first to say that it is UNREALISTIC TO EXPECT EVERY BRAND TO CATER SPECIFICALLY FOR YOU. I use to be 362 lbs. I’m now 215, and I get how frustrating and how exclusive/excluded you may feel. However, let’s be realistic here. To expect EVERY brand to be inclusive is unfair, especially for smaller brands or indie companies who may not even have the financial means to produce large quantities of clothing in the same style. Ultimately, it’s his opinion. I personally, look back at when I was bigger with disdain BECAUSE it only took a few changes, effort, and consistency to lose weight and be healthier. I show love for myself by self care through diet. That’s just me tho
Yeah unfortunately the “body positivity” movement has been bastardized from its original purpose (all bodies are beautiful, even if there are disabilities or unusual features) to become “everyone cater to fat people or else you’re a terrible person” which is just nonsense.
People love to talk about how “some people are overweight because of health conditions” and while that is true, it’s simply not the majority. The majority of people who are overweight have made the choices that led to that. It’s on them.
@@jenk2745 you are missing the point that ALL people of ALL sizes deserve to have clothing that fits us all. No matter what size, every single body deserves clothing to fit it. Period.
I'm on the other end of the spectrum at 4'7" but still with too many curves to wear kid's clothes. I don't expect anyone to cater to my size either. I just buy a whole boat load of the things that I find that do fit.
@jenk2745 It’s not “catering” to acknowledge that someone exists holy actual shit
@@-xxMelissaxx-and there is clothes for them to wear , they are just mad that a company isn’t making clothes for them. Shop somewhere else.
The main issue is when brands have a “plus size” section and they intentionally make the clothes ugly asf intentionally and then don’t take the feedback of “hey make us stuff that looks like the straight sizes, because what you’re offering is ugly” and the brand goes “nah, we’re good with what we have to offer it’s just annoying that it’s not selling like straight sizes”
I think two of the biggest reasons as to why people get upset about brands not making clothes for them is because the clothes that are made for bigger people like myself either look really bad or you have to buy it custom made which can be expensive due to the cost of material, I can't even buy the platform shoes because the people who made them never intended someone with bigger calves would were them, I found someone who could custom make them but is would cost me $400 compared to the premade which was only $140.
High end brands also tend to exclude people who are a bit bigger, like not even over weight but someone who a size 14 like that's still small but they expect you to be a 6 or smaller.
As someome who is tall and not skinny, this is the type of thing I think about a lot.
I think that brands just do not know how to make clothes (i know that's incorrect, but that how it feels tbh.) Sizing is inconsistent, even in the same brand. So finding what works is like playing a game of plinko.
Most brands cater to those who are the "average", or what that brand considers to be average, and that leaves out a lot of people.
People should find what works AND talk about their frustrations. Honestly people should talk about their struggles about finding clothes that work for them and people can share their findings.
The clothing landscape is dizzying to think about. Poor quality, nothing fitting, ugly, too expensive...etc.
I fully understood what he was talking about in his original video. I've always been super small and have recently been struggling to find business clothing that fits without making me look like a kid cosplaying as an adult. When I try out a brand and their smallest size is still too big on me, I just say ok it's not for me and keep looking for a brand that works for me. I understand how his video comes across poorly to many people but I also completely understand how he made that video without a second thought about it coming across that way
At 5ft and 100 lbs... I feel that in my soul lmao
I get his point and to some extent its true but it also doesn't acknowledge the things some people have to do like buy clothes too big and tailor them to fit because finding the right fit is so hard
I’m 5ft and about 90-95 lb. I don’t get mad at stores that consider inclusivity sizing up. I get it.
Oh my goodness, this! I'm under 5ft and around 90lbs and it's a nightmare trying to find business clothes. Everything is too long or makes me look like a child trying on my parents clothes lol 😂 I do understand his point though, there's no point dwelling on things that aren't made for someone my size and shape. I might struggle to find things but I just have to realise that most brands cater for what they deem is average sizing. Or if it's casual wear I can just buy kids clothes hahaha, the cheaper shoes are a bonus 😊
I'm 5'10" so I have the opposite but same problem, and I completely agree with you! I've been obese, and I still found being tall to be the bigger issue for me when finding cute clothes. Also having larger feet - especially while living in a country where most of the larger size shoe store sites don't ship to.
I've just gotten used to pants that hit well above my ankles, and wearing men's shirts and shoes.
I physically can't change my height or the size of my feet. I can get mad, I can get discouraged, but ultimately I can't really do anything about it except adapt and preserve my mental health, and support the brands that aim to keep people like me in mind. I have definitely had similar thoughts to the guy in the video, and I fully understand where he was coming from.
there are clothes that dont look good on me but does on someone else. Why would i get angry at a company. I dont get it.
period
My shoe size is US 5, I’m 5ft, and my waist is 23.” Most companies start their shoes at 6. And Jeans are the hardest thing to find that don’t look like teen clothes. I don’t take it personal, I just shop online. Every company cannot tailor to your personal needs. It’s just life.
It’s weird to say “it’s just clothes” like you can just go outside and not wear clothes lol like I’m fat I can’t buy clothes I can’t go to stores to just buy clothes I have to go to places that have my clothes which means they have more power in our relationship so they can charge whatever they want for a thing I just…need? Like I can wear what I want but also that’s not true 🙃 I cant just have my tits out wherever!
Right?? Like having access to flattering clothes is more gan just a way to feel good in your body(which is a very important thing) but how is a fat person meant to hold down a job if they cant find clothes for the job and get discriminated against even if they could dress to he nines imagine what they deal with if they need to wear buisness formal and cant find anything nice thats affordable that person is now screwed and cant get or keep that job
then lose weight
The thing about fatphobes thinking brands shouldn't make plus sizes, do they... want plus size people to just... be naked unless they lose weight...?
No, they think we should just wear the really ugly clothes offered by the few plus sized clothes companies. They don't think we deserve to feel attractive or good about ourselves
@hannahp1108 I can't understand how they'd prefer we be humiliated and uncomfortable, nobody deserves to feel bad about the way they look
Imagine if someone came on defending make up brands and saying it’s ok to not be inclusive with darker foundation shades. Their career would be done.
Your weight CAN be changed not your skin
This happens anyways and darker skinned people just go to another company that has their skin tone.
Also unlike skin tone your weight can be changed at any moment. Truthfully if these people wanted clothes from a certain brand or style specifically they'd just lose weight.
I agree with the 1st part of it then mid way he lost the plot 😂
Never caught a Markie video this early! What a treat!
Some people cannot lose weight no matter how they try. A lot of folks also don't have access to gym equipment and they don't have time to take walks. Poor folks especially have a harder time, since healthier food is expensive, and a lot of people work 2-3 jobs just to make ends meet, especially if they have children. Race, LGBTQ+ folks, medical history, and mental illness have a huge impact on quality of life.
There's a ton of nuance. Brands obviously are going to do whatever they want, but people have a right to criticize because oftentimes, it's not "Just lose weight!" A lot of people have a hard time. Brands could make a lot more money if they expanded their size range and made it look nice. The bigger the size, the frumpier clothes get. (Same thing with bras.)
Come on, I hate when people say this because realistically it’s a small group of people who medically can’t lose weight. And same for not even having time to take a walk, most people could if they really put the effort, and most of not being obese (not just a little big) is just not eating exorbitant amounts. You could eat unhealthy fast food every day and still not be obese as long as you don’t eat that much. I literally struggle to gain weight even when eating like that (because I am also a poor college student), yes I am tall but the point still stands
@@namesizacklets not encourage disordered eating
@@validarkYou know eating more calories than you can burn is also disordered eating, right?
@@whitneyk3708 right😭
For me, this reads as him being upset about someone else being upset about something that he doesn’t care about/doesn’t think is important. Just because it’s not important to him, doesn’t mean it’s not important to other people.
This, he's so bothered about other people making videos complaining that he's making a video complaining about those people being bothered? What??
THIS. Hes not pissed that people are pissed about the clothes, hes just getting fed videos about it through an algorithm so he thinks its a way bigger problem than it actually is. A person making a video griping about a subject and moving on is normal, lots of people will have the same gripe and move on.
Clearly he isn't focusing on what makes him happy and it shows
As a woman of at 280lbs i dont care if every brand has my size. If they dont then they dont and if they do then awesome. Personally I would rather shop at a store for plus size because alot of the time they actually know how to make clothes fit right. If you go to the plus size section of well known brands the clothes fit like potato sacks. Im not offended or upset. I do however have a issue with companies making stuff for adults and children with disabilities then charging a ridiculous amount. These are stuff that is needed for these people and the companies have no problem making them pay out the butt knowing most cant afford it.
This is why I mostly just thrift lol. That way I KNOW I'll find at least SOMETHING for me rather than trying to find something from a specific brand.
Solid, solid point.
Right irs like they are charging a fee for not being the normal body standard it’s messed up! When I was pregnant I went to torrid with my cousin who’s plus sized she was like wow they making clothes with no style or aesthetic! Copy the trends and do the bare minimum without adjusting designs to be flattering! I bought only two pairs of pants and a dress…I found better shit at the thrift store and rainbow
Right! Some clothes are designed for stick figures, up sizing that design won’t look nearly as good as something designed in the correct size
I think the main problem I have is that they’re claiming to be size inclusive while ignoring people. It’s the hypocrisy. If they’d just own not being size inclusive then I wouldn’t care
I do a lot of pattern drafting to make my own clothes and I have used a lot of commercial patterns as well. Patterns can’t just be graded up or down to fit every size. Clothes need to be structured differently for different body types to fit properly and look flattering. I feel like he is trying to say to focus on the brands and clothes that are designed for your body type instead of focusing on clothing that is designed for straight sizes and just graded up.
Isn't purposefully not making clothing for a certain size person, technically discrimination?
discrimination is against something you can't change, ur race, gender, disability, you can change ur weight
Oh and I’m in Australia “that’s your best friend” is an insult 😂
Wait it is? Oh my god now I’m intrigued 😂
Thanks for another awesome video! I love listening to random tik tok drama while doing work.
What he should've said " brands are allowed to make their clothes however they want, it's not something you can change unfortunately, but what you can do, is spend the time researching good brands that will accommodate you whether you struggle finding sizes due to weight, height, proportions, ect... invest you're time into something positive by finding new alternative brands instead of being upset and obsessing over the brands that don't support you in general "
first, he's wrong. there is a huge market for plus size clothes. and you CAN change brands, you CAN do both
That’s easy to see in hindsight though
@chadrific you can do both, as king a your using your time productively and positively who cares 🤷♀️🕺
@Scarclaw I posted this comment way before I even finished the video lol, he just jumped the gun and it didn't go well for him
his apology video was great imo! he took accountability, explained why he said what he said, apologized, and promised to do better. i feel like it makes sense that he was triggered and it seems like he was more so speaking to his younger self in the first video
This guy needs therapy. Everytime I see him shooting off some hot take he just seems damaged by his own weight journey
100% that. It’s giving unaddressed self h8te
I have an issue with him saying "the body was the issue".... No-one should talk about LITERAL FUCKING BODIES as an issue/problem.
We only get one body. It's horrible to shame yourself because the most important thing in life doesn't fit a certain standard.
I think that as a man he lacks perspective on how much beauty standards affect women. It concerns not only women who are medically considered overweight (which is the issue of its own, as parameters are also based on men), but also women of regular sizes. When you are healthy woman with normal percentage of fat and muscle and suddenly you cannot fit into XL - that’s a huge problem. Let alone if you a need a bigger size. This is a direct route to ed, which is already a huge struggle for women of all ages…
So he can speak on his experience, but he wasn’t thinking that the fashion industry targets mostly women and feeds their insecurities.
I like what he said because the world is getting to a point where everyone and everything has to cater to include you and that’s not how the world works. Find the stuff that DOES cater to you!
Sadly its mostly Shein. And it aint great. Nobody is enjoying needing to shop from a god damn fast fashion store because its the only place that makes flattering plus sized clothes
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 This is so true. I struggle hard to find clothes that look nice and also fit me well in stores, and my last resort had to be shein. I hate that I have to buy from there ( I have tried looking at small bussinesses but the ones I found had prices that were too expensive for me. For a good reason, I know, but I just couldn't afford it.) but it's the only place that sells clothes my size and look good
Shut the hell up with this “catering to us” shit. We just want to be acknowledged. There’s no goddamn catering.
period
He’s just saying don’t waste your energy on things you can’t have. Instead, find the things meant for you. Nothing wrong with that
Edit: Dang some of yall are emotional over this. Why do you care so much about what he said? Is this really the hill you want to die on? Whether you agreed with him or not will make no difference in your life. I will finish this comment and never think about him again.
What about "your body isn't flattering "?)))))))
@@lunatic5162he said that about himself not to other people
@@j4zz13. in a video. Talking about how people are complaining that plus size clothing isnt nice or flattering...
Implications
hes basically saying deal with the fugly clothes and brands that do have plus sizes and deal with it.
@@SuperAwesome19 Which is... A very common sentiment. People see fat people and go: Ugh you dont deserve anything nice.
Its just horrid
His opening line already has me laughing. Brands don't need defending lol.
My biggest problem with brands that don't have my size is, well, nothing. When i was 88lbs, I found brands that fit. When I became 188lbs, it found other brands that fit. I don't really understand the issue here.
“The body isn’t flattering” YIKES wow!!
And people just blew away that off their head
I mean…overweight people need clothes too. The problem is there’s not a lot of brands for bigger sizes
And the ones that are for 'bigger sizes' are often not cut for different body types or are made of notably poorer quality while charging more.
Well sure they do. But there's no point in trying to go after like...Abercrombie and Fitch for DIVERSITY because that's just not their way. Trying to make others bend the knee so to speak isn't healthy. We just need more brands ready and willing to pop up and be inclusive, rather than forcing already existing brands with their own identity to suddenly change.
It just highlights how many of these brands are doing minor customisation and ordering from the exact same wholesalers.
It’s why certain ‘copying’ allegations make me roll my eyes. No one copied your white label colour way from aliexpress mama 😂
I kinda agree w him. Some people on the bigger side complain about companies not having their size. But there are a lot of stores that do. Im really skinny and tall. Its hard for me to find clothes that fit me well and look good on me. I no longer wear jeans because the ones that fits are too short. I’m also an athlete so my glutes are big and my waist is tiny. So if i find pants my length it either doesnt fit over my ass or are too loose around my waist. But I never complain about stores not having my size. I just look for stores that do
I agree with WHAT Leo says. It's HOW he said it that I disagree with. Imagine your therapist or best friend saying the exact same things but in comforting and understanding tones.
That's his gimmick, 'tough love'. But it can come across as jarring to some people or people just finding him lol
I've been awkwardly sized and shaped most of my life, and I don't see what he said wrong??? It was just his opinion, and it wasn't a hateful one. And its waaaay better to support companies that already provide good products than to be hurt and angry at companies who don't. I refuse to let capitalist institutions make me obsess over how 'unfair' they're being to me. They're monstrous from top to bottom, and my opinion of them wouldn't change even if they did start offering clothes I liked and could wear
“If the clothes aren’t flattering it’s not the clothes it’s the body that’s not flattering” that is bodyshaming 101, how did you moss that?
@@elodieelvira7913That’s my main issue with what he said. He had very valid points, but that was just straight bodyshaming.
Yer agree
@@elodieelvira7913 I think lots of clothes are beautiful but I know they don't look good on me. I love yellow, but it looks bad on me. Thats not the clothes or the colors fault tho. Like, I try to be respectful of the things I wear, and if it looks bad or I wear it wrong, thats my fault, and I AM making something that is objectively nice look unflattering. Some things I look amazing in and others I don't. Sometimes, I AM the unflattering element in the equation. I guess I'm just not getting it?? Sorry
He literally said "it's not the clothes that aren't flattering, the body isn't flattering" and "being fat is a choice and you have to deal with the consequences of that choice" and "eating yourself half to death" and "fat people should pay for two plane sits" and was laughing the entire time in his second video
Me: doesn’t he usually post later?
Me: oh I’m just here really early😂😂😂
My biggest problem with brands who DO make clothes that range from very small up to very large, is that they clearly don't actually know what a large body looks and feels like. The stomach area of the clothing might fit perfect, but the arms, neck, leg areas always fit really wrong. So I kind of appreciate that not every shop in the world sells plus size clothing, because otherwise we'd all waste so much money. Instead, it's always a safer option to buy from brands that almost exclusively sell clothes aimed at larger bodies, or at least make larger people a decent chunk of their demographic.
This is why I want my own sewing machine and to learn how to make clothes.
Because those brands tend to use one fit model, who is a size 4 or 6, then just scale the clothing up from there. Instead of actually designing the garment for a larger body from the get go.
@@cintaminbunnyknitting and crocheting too, it's so cool to be able to make things you can wear as a background task
I’m so happy and excited that brands are Finally showing clothing on several model body types so we can see how the sizing can look on different body types! The stores I’m shopping at online have been showing models of different sizes and body types. I’m very uplifted to see this!
Markie!!! I just wanna thank you for your randomness in updating us on bs on YT and TT and IG and everywhere else. Been watching you for over a year now, but recently got myself into a mess and been going through 'detox' and finally feeling normal to get back to my old routine which is back to your vids. I just wanna say thank you for having so many new vids after a week I've been out. Love your vibe and the things you bring to my for you page. And I gotta say after the shyyte I've just gone through, I agree with this guys first video 😅 'get your focus off the shit that ain't for you' never needed to hear that so bad, so I know you wasn't feeling that first post, but I appreciate you posting it because my ass needed to get up off the floor and get my mind right ! Thank you so much again, and please don't take this the wrong way. I know he was talking about clothes, but some of the things he said hit me on the chin and I needed it. Thank you so much again and please keep the crazy, random bs coming !!! ❤❤❤❤❤
If a brand doesn't make the item you want in your size, shop around!! You'll ALWAYS find a similar, if not identical, item in your size elsewhere. I've been plus sized. I've been super skinny ( from an ongoing E.D) so I've been at both ends of the weight spectrum. And if I can't get what I want in my size, I just go and find it elsewhere.
3' 10" 😂😂😂
The problem is that most companies that I can afford don’t make clothes in my size. My bmi is 15, so I am thin and tall. Most places don’t carry my size and I have to go to specialty shops. Maybe, catering to the larger women isn’t fair either. I see clothes all of the time that aren’t in my size, accept it and find something that does.
I don't expect every brand to carry up to an 8x, but it is crazy how many brands stop at XXL. I feel like a lot of people who lose weight haven't done the inner work to realize that losing weight will not fix all their problems and that some of their problems aren't their fault. Him not being able to find things in his size is a clothing brand problem and not a "let's suffer together" problem.
I actually agree with what he is saying. People are too sensitive nowadays and can't deal with direct talk
Absolutely agree. Crazy that this is considered controversial.
Dude you’ve got a ton of people who still think Trump was a great president and that an election was stolen. 😂 And boy do they cry if you disagree. So when the older people can’t take it, why would you expect younger people to be able to?
Giving people platforms to just say whatever tf they want was NOT a great idea.
I think its the delivery that people had a issue with
As a heavy set women I completely understand wtf he was saying and tbh it’s mostly the lululemon outrage which isn’t even appealing to me but I digress my momma always raised me to believe that if I have to beg to be at the table supply your own and I truly live by that I will not support brands that only carry a certain size it’s literally that simple
I heard nothing wrong with his statement, my thicc thighs and bum don’t fit in jeans comfortably.. so i don’t wear them🤣🤣😂
Not everyone needs to be catered for forreal
How did your tattoo appointment go Markie? I hope you're really happy with it. Please show us next video. I'm plus sized and I agree with what he's saying. He's talking sense. I'm an addict in recovery and I have learnt recently to stop blaming others for my faults. I blamed everything for my addiction but when I realised it was solely on me, I could concentrate on recovery. Life's far too short to worry about things that you can't change. He's talking sense.
The gentleman is completely right the problem is he has too much arrogance in his delivery so firstly I will say I am a black Muslim not all make up hair care or skincare brands make products for myself and that is completely fine they don’t have to I just spend my money elsewhere they say get in the way you fit in right and then secondly as a Muslim basic sweets I can’t even fight because they contain gelatin should I now contact every single brand and start saying why do you not make sweets just for me or just for Muslims it’s ridiculous not everything is for everyone and that is fine
But we should still have manners when we speak to people
I'm not quite sure what the issue here is. He's very clear and concise; if something doesn't flatter you, why wear it? Why go after brands who CLEARLY don't cater TO YOU?
Forcing people to adhere to YOU isn't how the world works. You aren't the god damn sun. You have to adapt. I have a bit of pudge at the stomach area; I wear just lose enough clothing that hide that and still flatter me. Sometimes I'll wear form fitting stuff because who cares honestly? If you felt called out by this tiktok, that's really a YOU problem.
He said: Your body isnt flattering
Which. Is pretty cruel and rude!
And he just has this attitude that screams: How dare people make a fuss.
How dare people who are a bigger size _wants something nice_
This!! Me personally idc about brands. If it looks good and I like im buying it. If it doesn't fit or not in my size i dont throw a hissy fit about it.
@@elvingearmasterirma7241 You're literally complaining about his opinion do you REALIZE how you sound right now?
Also companies not making proper and nice clothing for plus sized people, or catering to them at all. Is why shein is so popular with people who have extra body fat BECAUSE THEY CAN ACTUALLY FIND CLOTHES THERE
Theyre adapting. But it hurts everyone because frankly, society deems fat people as lesser. Less worthy of respect. Of being treated decently.
@@TheRibottoStudios He gave his opinion. I am giving mine. As you can give yours. Grow up
MARKIE much love, u r the best!!
Can't wait for you to cover the lobster drama 😂😂😂😂
This man really spent that long to say "stop critiquing anyone, I hated myself skinny, why dont you?"
To be honest, this mostly feels like this guy was frustrated about something and decided to make a TikTok - ostensibly for others - about it to vent. Like if saying triggering things to himself is a coping mechanism for him, that's great, I'm glad he has one that works for him, but I'm not sure why he needed to do this publicly.
Also this is mostly a nitpick, but the whole "clothing brands not having your size is a small problem relative to other things happening in the world" point from his original video really feels like a Clickhole Selfish: This Man Found Time To Build A Birdhouse While JonBenét Ramsey’s Murder Is Still Unsolved moment.
My issue with clothing sizes is that it's mostly online that does my size, which is a problem when the items come and the sizing is off from store to store or product to product. The amount of times I've had to order different plain black pants online for work, and they all end up too big or too small. I just wish i could walk into a local store and have something for me there that I can see with my eyes before buying ya kow.
if a brand doesn't make something in your size then move on to a different brand? it's not a difficult concept. i no longer fit into forever 21's clothes, so i no longer buy their clothes? i've never once bitched about it online!
not done watching but look into Lululemon being racist against Asians lol. just reminded me of that.
Lululemon doesn’t like us????
It’s literally for skinny rich white women I don’t understand why any minority or poc would find anything they promote relatable
props to a fellow short king markie
I used to be over 300 lbs and I believed then that plus sized clothing was just badly sized and designed. Then I lost the weight and I discovered ALL mass produced clothing is badly sized. It all sucks. I'm in "straight" sizes now. It's still a pain in the ass to find clothes that fit me. If I don't make it myself it's going to fit badly in some area.
Other terrible things going on in the world: people being stuck on a cruise ship for 9 months 🤣
One thing I can recommend is to get yourself a tailor regardless of your body size or learn how to do basic sewing adjustments. Back in the day people would have their clothes altered to fit them that's why they all looked posh and beautiful. RTW (ready to wear) clothes are nothing but mass produced clothing to fit "all sizes" which isn't true. That's why trailors are around for clothes alteration.
3:16 I worked importing goods for a well known luxury retailer. I worked the Asian and Italian lane of traffic. When having the size issue brought up at the factory they explained it quite simply. (It might not be the answer you seek but it’s what I was told many many times) They do a run from 0-16. Some even go 000-24. Now from the manufacturing standpoint and cost effectiveness it doesn’t make sense to manufacture clothing items higher than a 24/26 because those items don’t usually sell. There’s not many people sized 24/26 buying $500 shirts or whatever. They would have to eat a huge loss because now they have an item that cost more to manufacture in that it uses more fabric and materials that they didn’t sell and still doesn’t sell marked down to 75% which is a huge loss. There are shops that sell to larger sizes specifically. They manufacture clothing sized 14-40 something. Now me, being a size 6 can’t buy anything in there but I’m not pissed off about it. I used to be a size 24. I worked my butt off for almost 2 years and lost 147 lbs and kept it off for 13 years now. Being angry because every store doesn’t sell your size is like being mad everyone can’t buy a Ferrari. You have to work for a Ferrari, just like you have to work at everything in life. If you don’t like the styles maybe think about learning to sew? Design for others. Maybe have a shop or E-store. Ugggh I don’t have enough words to express how two way street society is today…. This “you need to hear me and care about my feelings yet I blatantly don’t care about what you think or feel” has to stop.
What's odd is being more pissed off at who can, and will wear like the clothes and their opinions. Instead of the slaves in the sweatshop making those clothes. What an odd world.
I mean. He’s not wrong. lol some people are perpetual victims and can never take any accountability for anything