Pokémon Remakes just changed FOREVER, here's why
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- čas přidán 25. 04. 2024
- Pokémon have completely changed up the way they are going to think about doing remakes of legacy generations in the future, with the recent announcement of Pokemon Legends: Z-A. In this video, I'm going to dive into why I think this is the case.
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Conspiracy theory: The entire reason ZA exists is because all of the Pokémon that still aren’t available on the Switch are available in base X & Y. This way, no Pokémon would have to be stuck in permanent Pokémon Home limbo.
Just Wish After This, We Get A Gen 8 Legends Treatment.
Pokémon Legends: Eternatus 🎮 Needs To Happen. The Focus is On eternatus 🐉💀, The Game Mascot For Pokémon Legends: Eternatus 🎮. Pokémon Legends: Eternatus 🎮 is Set in galar, But galar From The Distant Past, it is Set in The 19th Century, Where The Humans & Pokémon Living in galar Haven’t 100% Coexist Yet. And eternatus 🐉💀 is Causing A Phenomenon Known As dynamax & gigantamax in Which Pokémon Turn Big & Go Rampage. Your Job is To Stop Those Gigantic Pokémons & Stop & Capture eternatus 🐉💀 & Save The Region. And You Can Now Use eternamax eternatus 🐉💀 in This Game 🎮. Just Wishes That This Came True. But There’s Going To Be Gym Leaders Here Too. So This Makes galar The First Region To Have Gym Leaders At The 19th Century, & Most Of The Gym Leaders Are Ancestors Of The Current Gym Leaders in galar. And The Main Antagonist is The Ancestor Of chairman rose, So This is A Trait Shared With The Descendant chairman rose. So chairman rose Turns Bad Runs From His Ancestor.
Only those few Pokémon not available
Pansage
Simisage
Pansear
Simisear
Panpour
Simipour
Furfrou
Patrat
Watchhog
Gen 5 won’t get remade because it was the lowest in Units sold. That’s why Gamefreak is skipping to Gen 6.
More likely: they planned out the availability of Pokemon on the Switch games to spread them across all of those releases to some extent. Why? So you would need to buy at least a version of nearly every Pokemon game on the Switch to be able to actually use all the Pokemon.
My personal conspiracy theory is that they chose to highlight Lumiose City because of the 2024 Olympics taking place in Paris with the Eiffel Tower being referenced in the game. And it's a huge marketing strategy.
You neglected to address ORAS formally establishing the multiverse in Pokemon. Zinnia references an alternate universe that would be destroyed by Grand Meteor Delta if it were warped there to protect the ORAS world, implied to be Gen 3 Hoenn. (Which by all accounts turned out to be a relative nothingburger, seeing as Deoxys landed safely on Birth Island with no apparent harm done, but I digress.)
Interesting point!! Maybe I'll do a video on the multiverse in future
Well keep in mind there is no meteor in Gen 3 Hoenn, there is only Birth Island with no sign of a meteor or crater for that matter, just the triangle, Zinnia is saying teleporting the Meteor to another dimension that didn't have one and doesn't have mega evolution, would be apocalyptic, and she'd be right, look at what one meteor did to the dinosaurs, literal first nuclear winter.
Pokémon has always had a multiverse, else there's no way to explain story differences between e.g. Ruby and Sapphire. That said, It's much more expansive than that. While the timelines are mainly divided into the "Mega branch" and "pre-Mega branch", the device that would be used to connect to another dimension is called the Link Cable. For anyone unaware, this is the real-world add-on you used to connect two Game Boys back in the days, implying not only every game version is a separate timeline, but every single _save file_ is a "canonical" timeline.
The gen 7 games took the multiverse stuff even further, where you can travel between the Sun and Moon versions of Alola _in the same game._ Later in USUM there's also the whole Team Rainbow Rocket storyline, where you fight previous generations' villains from timelines where they won (Maxie and Archie even have their original character designs).
@@Destinum There's also Eternatus in gen 8 who's ultimate form is outright stated to be warping time and space because it's so powerful and the Paradox mon from Scarlet/Violet which the game STATES are from the past/future but look way to... alien for that to actually be the case.
@@ScorbunGame Not to get too into DLC spoilers, but it is later mentioned that the Paradox Pokemon might actually be from completely different timelines or worlds then the one in Scarlet and Violet
Legends isn't a remake though. It's more of a prequel (and honestly one that alot of people want to see). The next remake is still going to be B/W.
It should be black and white 1 and 2 remade into one game. But the greed will make it 2 games. If we only get 1, that will be disappointing.
@@austenlangfordin that case, I would prefer it if they remake the 2nd ones and not the 1st haha. But that's just me, and just in case they only release 1 pair.
Mmmmm I don't think so I think Kalos are the next remakes
@@yaycoffe123 Bro...I assume you're joking since they pretty much announced Z which is the Remix of Kalos best...
@@robertwolfgan damn You right but then again we did have two sets of games a revival of gen 4 which was kinda meh and a brand-new story about the original Region before it became gen 4 Golden child of all the regions
So that's why I thought that Gen 6 was getting the revival and the Origins story of what will be the war
I agree, Gen 5 will be hard to remake but BDSP is a BAD template of how to do a remake. It WASN'T a faithful remake as it DIDN'T have the same moves, same movesets, same everything. On the other side, it wasn't even an improvement either. You had to download half the game onto your console at launch, which makes it anti-future proof, and that's a bad move for consumers.
I see your point, but Pokémon Home is the future proofing, if you're referring to the ability to preserve Pokémon you catch from BDSP saves
@@galariangoldthey mean that when the switch servers go out, like the 3DS and Wii U servers recently did, that BDSP will be Unable to download the Day-1 Patch. which includes the entire OST actually being remixed instead of MIDI tunes, an actual post-game, as you’re unable to go to the Battle Zone (Battle Tower and Heatran) before the Day 1 patch, and other things too.
So with the Day-1 patch being unable to be downloaded in the future, the games will be forever unfinished. Not to mention how glitchy BDSP was at launch too. You could actually reach the credits in less than 20 minutes lmao
@@galariangold No, I mean, you need a CONNECTION to get the rest of the game which won't last forever.
Apparently later carts have the early updates already on the cart. It's not really a fix per se, but it could be reason enough for people buying the game down the line to keep an eye out.
@@peterrealar2.067 Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes
Also Ilca is more experienced now
It was loved by the mainstream casual audience
The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience
The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance
Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho
It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools
It completely overhauled the underground
It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game
We got ramanas park
It’s got clothing customization as well
It removed the hassle of HMs
It’s way faster not slow anymore
Bdsp fixed more than it “didn’t”
Most people who were gonna play bdsp have already played it
Ur bringing up hypotheticals that don’t even exist yet 😂
Why they would realese unova remakes without new console and new generation? Legends Z-A realeseing before black and white remakes dont mean anything in my opinion and its meant to close the gap between generations like legenda arceus and lets go did
I think they want to use unova to launch in gen 10 alongside the new consoles and Johto would either become also a game in gen 10 like how gen 9 has the mainline gamea scarlet and violet, BDSP as remakes and legends arceus, well now it also gets legends Z-A, Z-A is probably there to fill in the blanks and help circle back onto the ORAS remakes by allowing them to go backwards Z is afterall the last letter in the alphabet and A is the first so you could read Z-A as from Z to A, meaning the plot may be something like they want to re-redevelope lumios city, this brings the play to the last time this happened and gives some expansion on Zygarde, Zygarde and megas seem to be kinda important in this story considering the theme of modernisation, redevelopement and the A looking like AZ's weapon, this may suggest that we will revisit old history like in XY to prevent the predicaments of the same mistakes being made again. I think thats why they are doing what they are doing, they arent planning anymore one game at a time but multiple games at a time to tell new stories but also enrich the old stories, they probably want to take Gen 10 and the new consoles to modernise the franchise so they take the region that started the megatimeline to build off of, go to the last soft reboot and finish the loop the remake of what originally was meant to be the franchises end.
also we’ve only had BDSP for like 3 years now, why did everyone forget remakes don’t come out for a good while after a remake drops? we probably wouldn’t get BW remakes for like another 4 years at least and why is everyone acting like because we are getting a zygarde spin off game that means they skipped over gen 5 or that gamefreak is “changing the way remakes work”
Yep, gen 5 is still the next likely remake.
Every time a remake has come out, it's been on a new console, after the first mainline Generation game.
GBA comes out, Gen 3 released, followed by Gen 1 the next year.
DS comes out, Gen 4 released, followed by Gen 2 remake 3 years later but before the next Gen.
3DS comes out, Gen 6 released, followed by Gen 3 remake the next year.
Switch comes out, Gen 8 released, followed by Gen 4 remake 2 years later but before the next Gen.
If there's a new console in 2025, then Gen 10, then we'll probably see a Gen 5 remake shortly after.
With a new console coming soon(possibly 2025), I could see Gen 5 remake around 2027 with 2026 being DLC year for Gen 10, to reflect the DLC release windows of Gens 8 and 9.
This is similar to the past couple of release cycles.
Switch launches
Gen 8 late 2019
Gen 8 DLC 2020
Gen 4 Remake 2021
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PL:A early 2022
Gen 9 late 2022
Gen 9 DLC 2023
Nothing so far 2024
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New console launches 2025
PL:ZA early 2025
Gen 10 late 2025
Gen 10 DLC 2026
Gen 5 Remake 2027
So it makes sense to anticipate Gen 5 remakes sometime soon, but certainly not as soon as some people are thinking. And I agree that thinking that they're skipping 5 is strange, and it's pretty big speculation on their part.
There's speculation, then there's WILD speculation, and for some reason the Pokemon community seems to prefer WILD speculation. lol
I don't think the Legends games were ever supposed to follow the same chronological order as mainline games, Legends ZA's announcement probably doesn't mean much when it comes to remakes. I'd be shocked if gen 5 didn't get a remake in 2027 during gen 10 as the usual pattern suggests (hopefully it will be an actual improvement over the original and not the same game with chibi characters and HD graphics). As for Johto I also don't think it has to get a second remake, Let's Go was mostly made in order to get Pokemon Go players into the main series
My only issue is johto is (so far) the only gen that wasnt really improved on or vastly different in its remake. Give me johto but expanded to include lugia actually guarding over the 3 birds and drop whirlpool isles for an in game orange island. It would be so cool.
I personally think that Z-A is the direct result of Game Freak having some influence in what they get to create. Given that pokemon Z was cancelled, I can imagine where the desire came from
Imagine a Johto game released today that takes place in modern timeline. I can imagine all the upgrades throughout Johto as time passed while running into older familiar faces
If you wanna be technical the multiverse lore of pokemon had been in the series since gen 1 for example the two versions being alternate realities
Their approach was just more subtle about it
colored versions weren't alternate realities, what a dumb cope. they are the same game twice because of sales which is fine. what isn't fine is cohesive pokemon lore is ruined until they decide to decanonise multiverse. if they keep tiptoeing around the problem forever and don't actually decide anything, it only proves the point that cohesive pokemon lore is ruined.
@@nirgunawishyou’re getting worked up over a game made for children. If you can read the lore is no where near as complicated as you’re making it.
That's only a technical byproduct of the game's being remade. It's true, but it's not likely they were thinking about it like that. Which is why I think GameFreak is only really acknowledging things related to Mega evolution as a separate timeline. You could probably include the anime as a timeline as well since it's still an ongoing series, that has affected the games from time to time lol
I think what the video helps point out is that GameFreak cares about its world building but won't let that get in the way of a feature they want to try. from a 'lore' perspective the Let's go games allowed them to show how different that world is. The game is based more on yellow because they're making a casual version of red and blue, which they already remade.
The original timeline is the Gen 3 versions because this and Gen 4 is when they started caring about continuity, like it was said in the video, they didn't expect Pokémon to last outside of the original Gameboy systems.
The copium to say that there was a reason for BDSP to stay faithful other than money lmao
It was a result of both a shortage of (very) needed development time and Game Freak forbidding any kind of actual improvement.
They didn't even take the bare minimun stuff that could've been moved cleanly from platinum to BDSP like... actual hideout designs instead of reused assets.
@@saxor96 Exactly. It was damage caused by self-inflicted deadlines, knowing that the bare minimum will do fine.
@@TechnoTrainer Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes
Also Ilca is more experienced now
It was loved by the mainstream casual audience
The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience
The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance
Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho
It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools
It completely overhauled the underground
It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game
We got ramanas park
It’s got clothing customization as well
It removed the hassle of HMs
It’s way faster not slow anymore
@@saxor96for the record bdsp added more new features than platinum did simply put
Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes
Also Ilca is more experienced now
It was loved by the mainstream casual audience
The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience
The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance
Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho
It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools
It completely overhauled the underground
It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game
We got ramanas park
It’s got clothing customization as well
It removed the hassle of HMs
It’s way faster not slow anymore
@@madnessarcade7447 Some of those features are quick to program, and the speed was the *bare minimum* they could have done.
And none of that excuses them outright ignoring platinum stuff that doesn't conflict with the main story in the slightest.
Why choose a plain looking room instead of the exact same room, but with unique assets and textures so it's unique and nice to look at and shows it's part of the Team Galactic storyline?
Why choose the objectively bad pokedex lineup instead of the Platinum one, which includes *all* new Shinnoh Pokémon instead of them being stupidly walled behind the post-game?
Let's assume they were saving black and white remake for last because it's one of the most significant and beloved pokemon games and the last of the pixel era
In theory it's supposed to be gen-10 since the only remake to not happen in a generation double its count is FR/LG, but thanks to B2W2 it would make more sense to make a B3W3 than to remake only half the story (either B1W1 or B2W2).
There also isn't an ironclad rule saying there only have to be 10 generations of Pokemon, which would also mean more regions for more remakes to stall out the "Gen-5 is last" theory.
@@RaceBandit that makes so much sense actually
Bro you got me so hyped for Pokemon and full of hope thanks man keep up the videos bro
I don’t think legends arceus is considered “remake” that’s why they can do this and not break any trends!
This was an interesting pov in terms of making a more faithful remake so as not to break to current lore alongside a Legends game which can further enhance that gens lore. I'm glad this video showed up on my feed 😊
Scrapping the fun features and attractive designs is a problem with the remakes.
They added new fun features
Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes
Also Ilca is more experienced now
It was loved by the mainstream casual audience
The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience
The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance
Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho
It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools
It completely overhauled the underground
It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game
We got ramanas park
It’s got clothing customization as well
It removed the hassle of HMs
It’s way faster not slow anymore
@@madnessarcade7447 Hardest Elite Four and Pokemon Champion.
Volo: WHAT?! PATHETIC!
@@megaman37456 Volo isn't even hard.
@@madnessarcade7447 | I haven't done the contests yet but what little I saw of them was enough to turn me off in comparison to what they were like in gens 3 and 4.
The updated chart/movepools would've been nonsensical to leave out.
"Overhauling the Underground" includes butchering secret bases. Instead of fun decorations, you got ... statues. Statues that impacted types' encounter rates in the Underground.
Hardest E4 and Champion? If I'm bored enough to play through an easy Pokemon game I might plow through SP's gyms and see if the E4 actually becomes difficult. The closest it's come so far is Maylene being able to set up a Metal Claw KO against my Flamethrower-wielding Clefable.
Whoop dee doo, Ramanas Park lets us catch legendaries from ... gens one through three. Swish's DLC covers all of the past generations and the ability to shiny hunt those legendaries even drew in people who had played through SV and its DLC, who were stung by the legendaries in SV all being shiny-locked.
_Limited_ clothing customization, perhaps the fewest options out of any main-series Pokemon game that gives you the option at all.
Oh whoop dee doo, I can use all six Mons at full power. All while they're already gaining far more EXP than they should thanks to a forced EXP-ALL being in place like with Swish, even when I'm running from wilds I don't intend to catch. I have to skip dex completion and trainers to *NOT* grind.
Slower EXP gain at least let more experienced players use status-attribute moves to even the playing field. Here, though, SP saw me take a Monferno to Roark, and whatever level disadvantage I _did_ have was so insignificant that I could just figuratively autopilot.
If I had known SP would be this boring and pathetic I would've skipped it like I did with Let's GO and should've with Omega Ruby.
Honestly if they release the game again I wouldn’t even need remake
I got this video randomly from the algorythm and I found it so interesting listening to you ^^ Really well made video and it helped me a lot that you used subtitles :3 Keep up the great work !
Would you say that we can expect the new Pokemon Legends game being released on the new console or will it release for switch? :)
Thanks for the kind words! I think the new Switch will be backwards compatible and technically still a Switch so I think it will come out on both but look better on the newer model :)
Definitely a perspective about the remakes I hadn't considered. Well articulated video
Another key point I don't see many people addressing is how the legends games can be used as their story based mythical Pokémon distribution. Pokémon like Darkrai and Shaymen were schoolyard legends only achievable through action replay until legends (and eventually BDSP events) and for years they were some of the few Pokémon I had been unable to collect. Legends Z-A have the opportunity to release research tasks to get Pokémon like Volcanion Hoopa and Diance which all are difficult to collect without occasional events on Pokémon go or hacking, and I have a great deal of hope that that will change with Legends Z-A.
I would like to point out that the legends games arent remakes of their corresponding games. You could have easily had BDSP without legends arceus.
Give me a Legends: Mew/Two, where you follow the story lines of Mew and a human counterpart while simultaneously following a Team Rocket Grunt and the creation of Mewtwo (maybe TR Grunt and ancestor are connected?). I’d love to see Gen 1 do something with Mew since it hasn’t really been touched upon, other than as a random dlc. Plus, seeing things from a Team Rocket perspective witness Giovanni go absolutely bonkers over the creation of Mewtwo would be a compelling creative spin!
your bit about legends expanding barely talked about pokemons opened my eyes on why we're getting legends z-a (before kyurem, for example), bc zygarde was basically an afterthought in xy; it got extra stuff in sun/moon but that's not where the fella is from, and isn't giving a real role to zygarde either; he has no role given, and he's the only one in a box legendary trio to have that problem (giratina had platinum, kyurem had b2w2, necrozma had ultra s/m); so now he's finally getting some damn lore relevancy thru the upcoming game
I don’t think legends ZA is gonna be a remake, more just revisiting kalos since legends is such a different format than the mainline games
the legends games are spin offs yet for some reason everyone is considering them to be remakes?
@@yvesthursday yea its weird
@@yvesthursdayright?! it's so weird and even dumb
@@yvesthursday Legends Arceus is a mainline and also reimagines the story of Diamond and Pearl (the narrative structure is similar), so it is a different kind of remake.
@@iviyohane it is a spin off. A spin-off game is a video game that takes gameplay mechanics, characters, or story elements from an existing series and takes them in a different direction.
Great video ❤
I'm really curious if we get a game this year, which one it will be because it would make more sense to get something johto related this year, something unova related next year as it's the 15th anniversary of unova and in 2026 gen 10. That would break the normal release cycle of pokemon so I'm not too sure if they'll do it this way but it would be cool :D
Not going to lie, I would love to see the let’s go franchise go into all the third games from a Gen like Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, etc., Legends should continue to explore the mythical Pokemon and there should also be remakes of the gens like BW3, Z, Gen7 (Eclipse). Will make a ton of money with me at least.
Honestly I glad they finally acknowledge gen6 with a legends remake
Given that Kalos is based on France, it would make a lot of sense if we would also see Galarian pokemon Galar being based on UK. It could delve into the history of the war mentioned in The XY games which could even have been a Kalos vs Galar thing (matching the many wars fought between France and Britain)
Makes Sense.
Just Wish After This, We Get A Gen 8 Legends Treatment.
Pokémon Legends: Eternatus 🎮 Needs To Happen. The Focus is On eternatus 🐉💀, The Game Mascot For Pokémon Legends: Eternatus 🎮. Pokémon Legends: Eternatus 🎮 is Set in galar, But galar From The Distant Past, it is Set in The 19th Century, Where The Humans & Pokémon Living in galar Haven’t 100% Coexist Yet. And eternatus 🐉💀 is Causing A Phenomenon Known As dynamax & gigantamax in Which Pokémon Turn Big & Go Rampage. Your Job is To Stop Those Gigantic Pokémons & Stop & Capture eternatus 🐉💀 & Save The Region. And You Can Now Use eternamax eternatus 🐉💀 in This Game 🎮. Just Wishes That This Came True. But There’s Going To Be Gym Leaders Here Too. So This Makes galar The First Region To Have Gym Leaders At The 19th Century, & Most Of The Gym Leaders Are Ancestors Of The Current Gym Leaders in galar. And The Main Antagonist is The Ancestor Of chairman rose, So This is A Trait Shared With The Descendant chairman rose. So chairman rose Turns Bad Runs From His Ancestor.
I think with gen 5 another sequel is the best way to go about it since with blueberry we already have a black3/white3 set up as a lot of the blueberry students are likely going to be gym leaders someday, I feel as if we will get a black3/white3 instead of a legends game as it is an opportunity they probably won't have for a while otherwise
Always wanted a Legends Kyurem game cause I feel like the lore behind the original dragon still hasn't been answered at all, like we only know about the separation but not what it looked like or where it came from and such
gen 5 is still the next likely remake.
Every time a remake has come out, it's been on a new console, after the first mainline Generation game.
GBA comes out, Gen 3 released, followed by Gen 1 the next year.
DS comes out, Gen 4 released, followed by Gen 2 remake 3 years later but before the next Gen.
3DS comes out, Gen 6 released, followed by Gen 3 remake the next year.
Switch comes out, Gen 8 released, followed by Gen 4 remake 2 years later but before the next Gen.
If there's a new console in 2025, then Gen 10, then we'll probably see a Gen 5 remake shortly after.
With a new console coming soon(possibly 2025), I could see Gen 5 remake around 2027 with 2026 being DLC year for Gen 10, to reflect the DLC release windows of Gens 8 and 9.
This is similar to the past couple of release cycles.
Switch launches
Gen 8 late 2019
Gen 8 DLC 2020
Gen 4 Remake 2021
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PL:A early 2022
Gen 9 late 2022
Gen 9 DLC 2023
Nothing so far 2024
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New console launches 2025
PL:ZA early 2025
Gen 10 late 2025
Gen 10 DLC 2026
Gen 5 Remake 2027
So it makes sense to anticipate Gen 5 remakes sometime soon, but certainly not as soon as some people are thinking.
There's speculation, then there's WILD speculation, and for some reason the Pokemon community seems to prefer WILD speculation. lol
Personally, I hope this means remakes are done. BDSP basically destroyed my faith in remakes, and I consider them the worst remakes for the same reasons you praised them. Pokemon remakes are different from other game remakes - they bring older generations up to the modern standard, in terms of mechanics, graphics, and lore, and BDSP just didn't do that. No Pokemon past Sinnoh were available, the graphics didn't match SWSH at all, and the only mechanics brought over was the addition of the Fairy-type. Unlimited TMs were scrapped, TRs made no showing, Daimax and Kyōdaimax weren't in the game at all, and nothing referenced the third version Platinum in the main story. And this isn't to get into the horrifying large day one patch which had such things as the music, the opening screen, AND THE POST GAME. When this game is as old as DPPt were when BDSP was made, DPPt will be objectively the better titles because the Switch won't have support if anyone gets the game for the first time.
I still rather have remakes that are made with the idea of making the same game but up to the current Gen's standards. The fact that visually ORAS is just a way better looking game than what BDSP were is really a huge letdown. And even in that chibi style they should have done a lot more for the environments and background details. Like you said there should have also been a lot more content added especially since how scaled back this remake is compared to past remakes. BDSP being given to another company to do the legwork with GF's supervision mixed with what we got really does make BDSP feel like a "budget" Remake. This comes from someone who loves Legends Arceous and is glad we got it but hopefully now future legend games will be like Z-A and not need a remake to pair it with.
Again I want to say it for anybody just in case they forgot remakes are once per console generation and they usually happen when a new generation is going to launch to
Holy crap, thank you for making this make sense. Just realized that 6th gen was the most unfinished and thus this isn’t completely an unreasonable move. I want AZ’s Floette!
Obviously gen 5 remakes are coming gen 10 smh
The only thing that i hated about bdsp was that they took out so much for the underground they got rid of capture the flag setting traps for other players and furniture for your secret base to make it a nice little home
legends aren't remake titles
Plus 1 billion points for National Park Theme in the background
This video goes ride-or-die with the philosophy of Legends being a remake instead of a spinoff/Unconventional. _("Unconventional" refers to spinoffs that are still in the mainline series)_
B2W2 also filled a role similar to Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum, in lieu of a Gray that some people were expecting and even _looking forward to._ It presents a logistical issue, however, in that we're asking for too much if we expect Game Freak to see both halves of the story remade come Unova Revisit Season. I'd instead expect a Black 3 and White 3.
SV's DLC was a "Unova revisit" in name only. IIRC there were no gen-5 trainers that came back; only references to them. Hell, Legends Arceus did that better by flinging one of the Subway trainers into Hisui. It would probably be easier to write off the "Unova revisit" claim as a lie.
IIRC back when we got ORAS we were told by someone at Game Freak that it _was_ our "Pokemon Z".
Isn’t the new z/a supposed to be a redeployment so that means sequels instead of prequels?
You know this is a very great take and well considered. Hats of to you man. I remember being so frustrated and confused during the hype season of gen 4 remakes. I felt very much in the headspace to play a cool Pokémon game again since it had been a while since ORAS. And I remembered those times fondly. So when time came for gen 4 I was hyped. I wanted to experience that start to finish instead of in retrospect.
So when no news came of new additions, new megas or any other cool new gimmick. I felt let down in some way. Later on Arceus did surprise me obviously and I slowly started to realize those games had done what I wanted from gen 4 remakes. But not entirely. And it wasn't the same as ORAS.
But after all this time this explanation makes sense and somehow brings a weird closure to this question I had lol. Not that it's an important one. But a curiosity I had pondered nonetheless.
Man I love this and I'm glad I could somehow help
The mega timelone is one story while the seconda timeline is the one within Gen 9
If they had any sence they'd make a gen 1 and 2 remake but a sequelized type of game where the story is fully fleshed and acted by genuine anime voice actors. Problem with the 3d upgrade is the erm since stadium even the battles just feel empty like stale
Pretty sure during the pokemon day stream where they announced legends za they said heart gold was getting a remake
Where
I wanna see gen 5 with updated graphics. And I hope they include bw2. That was such a great game
Hot take: But with the reveal of the new console last night, I'm happy with this direction now. As a Gen 5 FANATIC, I hope the new console does justice and it's able to generate some crazy landscapes. Unova is a beautiful region with a shit ton of architecture. If the remakes were done like EVERYBODY wants them to be done, it'd either have to be like Z-A and be based in one single city which would be a shame, or Legends Arceus style doing a prequel before the buildings were there to maintain the game. It'd be like trying to run GTA V on a DS
Personally I feel that Pokemon opted to jump to gen 6 because that is the only generation to not receive a sequel or additional content and ignored making another remake of gen 2 since although it wasn’t a remake they did a rerelease of gen 2 on the virtual console for the 3DS and will likely make it available again on their next console that is supposed to be closer to the 3DS with having two screens.
this game just feels like nintendo holding it out in their hands asking "will this do? :(".
they shold find a way to make a pokemon game that hass all the regens in one
edit thru the use of dlc not all at once that wold take to long. and i think doing so in a maner simuler to how gen 2 had kantoin it that you could go to after the elite 4 and find a way to limit the pokemon that you can use so that the player dose not take a lvl 100 teem to a new regen lol maybe you need all bages for the regen to use pokemon from difant regen
It bugs me gens 1 and 3 got huge amounts of extra content in remakes but gen 2 and 4 hardly got anything.
they dont change the format
they added it with more games.
besides of gen 1 remake in gen 2 and gen 2 remakes in gen 4 was there always a 2 year gap and 2 gens between and 2 gens and 1 remake on every Consol
DS: gen 4, gen 2 remake, gen 5
3DS: gen 6, gen 3 remake, gen 7
Switch: gen 8, gen 4 remake, gen 9
so its normaly that on the switch 2 comes the gen 10 first, then the gen 5 remakes and then the gen 11 and so on.
Legends games and other spinoffs dont count really in this and can come every time GF or Nintendo wants it.
dont watch the Legends game as a remake.
Its not.
This are betas for a better Open world games until GF knows how to make the best open world game for the main games.
so glad so you said this! i couldn’t understand why everyone is treating legends Z-A as a remake when all it is , is a spin off game. it’s weird everyone is acting like gamefreak/pokémon just skipped over gen 5 when that isn’t the case at all (also gen 4 remakes came out like 3 years ago so why would we get gen 5 remakes this soon)
The let's go games and Legends Arceus ARE mainline pokemon games btw. So switch has
Gen 7: Gen 1 remake (Lets Go games), and Gen 8: Gen 4 remakes (BDSP) so yes the format did change at least once. :).
@@Goro_Maj1ma i know, but if you look on them you can count them more as something like Pokemon rangers, PMD and else. and nothing like RBGY, GSC, RSE, DPP and else.
but yes, they are main games. but do they look like mainlines?
@@Goro_Maj1ma | I classify Let's GO and Legends Arceus as Unconventionals: Main-line games that don't play like main-line games.
Colosseum (GCN) might've been the first Unconventional since it didn't have wilds, but Let's GO and Legends Arceus are basically what molded the categroy.
GS weren't planned to be the last games, this has recently been disproven
Can you get a source that is not ign or Nintendo power of America ever confirming that gen 2 was the end of Pokemon no one at gmaefreak ever has said this literally get a link or something no just some guy on the internet saying generation 2 was the end a actual interview from anyone at Pokemon company or creature's ink and not someguy saying i read a Nintendo power
IIRC, that was a mistranslation of a Japanese magazine...
DYKG explained it better in their Pokémon Gen 2 video though.
Just Wish After This, We Get A Gen 8 Legends Treatment.
Pokémon Legends: Eternatus 🎮 Needs To Happen. The Focus is On eternatus 🐉💀, The Game Mascot For Pokémon Legends: Eternatus 🎮. Pokémon Legends: Eternatus 🎮 is Set in galar, But galar From The Distant Past, it is Set in The 19th Century, Where The Humans & Pokémon Living in galar Haven’t 100% Coexist Yet. And eternatus 🐉💀 is Causing A Phenomenon Known As dynamax & gigantamax in Which Pokémon Turn Big & Go Rampage. Your Job is To Stop Those Gigantic Pokémons & Stop & Capture eternatus 🐉💀 & Save The Region. And You Can Now Use eternamax eternatus 🐉💀 in This Game 🎮. Just Wishes That This Came True. But There’s Going To Be Gym Leaders Here Too. So This Makes galar The First Region To Have Gym Leaders At The 19th Century, & Most Of The Gym Leaders Are Ancestors Of The Current Gym Leaders in galar. And The Main Antagonist is The Ancestor Of chairman rose, So This is A Trait Shared With The Descendant chairman rose. So chairman rose Turns Bad Runs From His Ancestor.
Pokémon had a rule.
You make two games. And a third.
Up till Gen 4.
They made one remake per console generation and starting Gen 5 they made one sequel pair and continue forth.
Gen 6 they considered a pokémon Z but moved to sun and moon along with their sequel/remake
Legends was to add a new gameplay style to pokémon
I can’t wait to see when my kids grow up and discover their Pokémon gen of where it started. Soon as I say to them I’m a gen1 with charmander as my favorite and their response is damn you old.
Gen 4 hands down the worst remakes ever. :l
Bdsp is misunderstood it may not have had platinum content but it did add it’s own new stuff like expanded underground, updated qol, modern type chart, modern movepool, ramanas park etc and it’s got wholesome vibes
Also Ilca is more experienced now
It was loved by the mainstream casual audience
The more hardcore fans may not have liked it but they weren’t the target audience
The game was designed to be an approachable game for beginner players so they had to make it look as cute and as welcoming as possible hence the chibi appearance
Bdsp added more new content than platinum tho
It’s got the up to date type chart as well as the move pools
It completely overhauled the underground
It gave us the hardest elite four and champion out of any pokemon game
We got ramanas park
It’s got clothing customization as well
It removed the hassle of HMs
It’s way faster not slow anymore
@@madnessarcade7447no
BDSP and PLA combined or just BDSP?
@@galariangold BDSP I'll never forgive them for what they've done to our awaited remakes. >:(
@@KouzieBaby I kind of agree but when you factor in the fact we got PLA as well, then there's argument that they were the best remakes!
I have a couple of problems with this video.
1st I don't think the main reason gen one got a remake in gen 3 was due to dropping sales. Maybe. But I feel it was mostly due to gen 3 not having every pokemon as competing the pokedex is a big deal in pokemon.
2nd I don't believe they made Legends due to a convoluted time line. From the beginning pokemon has had multiple versions of the game with different variations of what happened. The gen 3 remakes didn’t really change that. In fact gen 3 made it more clear how the pokemon lore more solid by making every version of the game a separate universe. Now we aren't asking if there's only 1 mewtwo and I caught it how is it in a cave in kalos? They even leaned into that with gen 7 and ultra space. I firmly believe that Legends was them testing the waters with a new style of game. And beside the fact that if they were focused on not messing up the time line they wouldn't make the MC of the game a time traveler...
3rd while I agree that if any region needed more lore and content it would be gen 6. I don't beileve that gen 5 didn’t need it. I think gen 5 would have made for the best legends game or even a black 3. As we never saw the full dragon. Which a game could have been done on it splitting in legends and in a remake with a new story could have shown it fully merging together. And to further my point while gen 6 never got dlc or a 3rd version like every other region. We still got the Zygarde forms.
I've been waiting for the original dragon for over a decade and now gen 5 is getting skipped over. I kid you not my day was ruined when that direct came out. And them relegating gen 5 to a couple of nostalgic clips on their youtube channel the next day was the straw that broke the camels back. I immediately unsubscribed and purged all pokemon content in my feed for weeks after that. As you can see I'm now watching pokemon stuff again but I truly don't think I will play legends Z-A. Especially since I'm not a huge fan of the gameplay of legends the catching, crafting and quests are nice. But the pokedex is tedious(oh and thats how you progress the game), the battle mechanics are awful, and the lack classic mechanics like breeding, held items and abilities just make it less fun. I might have been happy with a legends game simply for the lore of the Original dragon but after this I just don't know. I just don't feel any sort of hype for pokemon right now.
Gen 2 with subscription or remake for the switch, the point is to play Gen 2,an old game in a new console
The remake of unova needs to be the best game they will ever made. I think they know how much the community loves gen 5. I'd rather wait a little longer than getting the gen 4 treatment... As far as exploration, lore and world build goes, Black and White was the peak of Pokemon. The remakes can't be mediocre.
to be fair.. we didnt get a sequal for x and y so its kinda desrved since x and y got low amount of content and story. I am happy x and y got a chance to prove itself even better
To be honest I am pretty sure they did not want to do gen 5 just yet because they know if they mess it up there will be massive problems…..
Also if they do a legends games of gen 5 the problem would be… which story to choose? Should they send the protagonist back in time to the twin heroes time before the dragon split? Or maybe before the fire happened and you get to know more about the swords of justice?
There is just too many options and it can go wrong.
Kalos was a safe bet and it’s best they did that so they can come up with something good for gen 5.
I didn’t care so much for BDSP because I outgrew Pokémon. My last Pokémon game was Black and White 2, since it was the last game for the DS. (Me only having a DS lite) So when BDSP came out, wearing my rose color glasses, I bought a switch and both Shiny pearl (since pearl was my first game I ever played) and legend Arceus, since I heard you can get arceus in Shiny pearl if you had the game.
Like you said before, BDSP are faithful remakes, but I just couldn’t get into it since I didn’t keep up with the changes that Pokémon games made over the years. (Like not needing a HM slave) Everything felt so similar except the few changes that I had a hard time adapting to. While PLA was easy to get into because everything was new and I learned the controls in a natural way.
Deserves more views
We all know BDSP wasn’t limited to make the story cohesive - was limited so the company could continue to pump out/cash in on as many games as possible.
Gen 1 was remade in gen 3
Gen 2 was remade in gen 4
Gen 3 was remade in gen 6
Gen 4 was remade in gen 8
Gen 5 should if it follows patterns be remade in gen 10
The only thing that doesn't fit the pattern is gen 1 being remade in gen 3 but there wasn't any reason to remake it in gen 2 because it was still the same hardware. I think if people are patient and wait for gen 10 we will have gen 5 remade right on schedule. Also agree with the other comment that said Xand Y are the games with the last old gen pokemon that weren't on the switch so it would make sense to make a side game to get those mons out of pokemon bank hell
awesome video
Glad you enjoyed it thank you!
Low key, they need to revisit the gamecube games. Seems like they are never part of the discussion. But pokemon colleseum and pokemon xd gale of darkness were amongst the coolest and far ahead of there time entries to the series. Can't even snag them for less than 200 bucks online. I'd love to see them remade or a new one come out. Why are they sleeping on what I believe to be there greatest games to date ???
I think they just realize how bad it will look to have a remake of gen 6 that has the same models from gen 6 but with less pokemon due to dexit. It would simply be a worse version of gen 6
Why do you think Gen 2 would(!) even get a second remake? Every gen gets 1 remake, that‘s it?!
Color my silly, but Pokemon cant last for forever. I am glad to see someone who shares the view of gen 5. I much rather them expand on gen 6. Since we never got a proper follow up/sequel. (Then again I am biased. Gen 6 is what made me enjoy Pokémon again.)
Sidenote: I still think it is possible to add gen 5 as an add on to the new ZA game. Either directly (like the original Gold/Silver) or a DLC.
I just want Unova with updated graphics. I feel like an addict waiting for it
I’m not sure if that’s true or not.
In terms of timeline I always interpreted there were 3 timelines in mainseries (5 if you wanna get strict)
The Primary Timeline: Red and Blue --> Gold and Silver --> Ruby and Sapphire etc.
The Enhanced Timeline: Yellow --> Crystal --> Emerald etc. (USUM is on this timeline)
The Remake Timeline: FRLG --> HGSS --> ORAS --> BDSP
The Enhanced Remake Timeline: Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee
Legends Arceus can be seen as an origin story, like how the movie Wonka is the origin story for Willy Wonka as a character, and is not specific to Johnny Depp or Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka. This will likely be the same for Legends Z-A.
B/W are hard to remake, so much content, so good of a lore feels like we don't even need it
I think it's the sequels that make it hard to remake.
Also B2W2 mean we have two parts of a story.
they should remake heartgold and soulsilver for the switch along with black and white also
Its probs bc of mega pokemon bc its a very popular gimmick
Legends Z-A is not a remake just like Legends Arceus wasn't a remake either.
Also, remakes always happen in the generation that doubles the one being remade gen 2-gen 4, gen 3-gen 6, gen 4-gen 8 so logically the gen 5 remake won't happen until gen 10, I don't know why people refuse to understand this, we don't get a remake each gen.
I can’t wait until Black and White get remakes! They’re the absolute best gen hands down.
Give me the remakes! I’m thinking… JetBlack and SnowWhite? Maybe a Legends Kyurem? Who knows
I say legend kyurem because maybe finally they let us see what the true dragon is that suppose to be complete kyurem
They completely ruined the Gen 4 remakes, why would you want that done to Gen 5?
@@eduardog3000 gen 5 was perfect, you can’t ruin perfection. If the gen 5 remakes do suck then we’ll always have the majesty of BW and B2W2
TBH I don’t expect something extravagant on remakes. This is why I enjoyed BDSP. It’s a faithful remake, want something new? Wait for the next gen.
Gameboy games got released for the gameboy advance. GBC games got remade for the Nintendo DS. GBA games got remade for the 3ds. NDS games got remade for the switch. Following this trend, I think the Gen 5 or last of the NDS games will be relased for the Switch series, and after, GEN 6 will be for whatever console is in the horizon.
I personally never grew up playing pokemon. However, I've noticed that I've gravitated towards the DS and 3DS Era of Pokemon games. Something about them are so enticing and something that I want to experience. The same enthusiasm just isn't there for the switch games. Graphically they look bland, and unappealing to me.
Not sure why that is, but I am glad that I've started to play through some of the older titles that I missed out on while growing up. [p.s. emulation hehe you can suck it nintendo :) ]
A very well put together video with solid points and speculations. You earned a sub!
I just went back and played X and Y and it was such a mess of a game. The story is all over the place, there are 3 mega evolution battles in the main game despite it being the main gimmick, and the leveling/gym spacing is AWFUL
Hopefully they fix the game but seeing how Arceus had such a boring story I doubt it will be good. They dont take risks or put the extra effort they should
Pokemon company makes games but cant they make a fully clear timeline like other games its so confusing what is canon and what is not can you make a video on Pokemon timeline because who said legend of Zelda timeline is confusing you try Pokemon it has a whole multiverse
It's not just a Pokémon thing, Nintendo does the same with Metroid and Zelda.
Gen 6 is the only region without a remake like Black & White did right after its first game 🤷🏿♂️ why can’t people expect Kalos Remakes.?. Not only that XY was forgotten right after the year it came out thanks to ORAS.
I haven't finished the video, I'm at 11:04 yet I gotta say you're the ONLY one I've ever seen not throwing 💩 at BDSP and I'm here for it.
😂😂 I'm glad. It's not my favourite remake but it's fine alongside PLA and I'm glad it exists, even if it could have been done better. I get the criticisms totally though
Bdsp is the best remake
Believe it or not
really weirded out that we have what 7 regions but no pokemon mmo like come on it would be easy
I dont think pokemon remakes changed i think they will cease to be a thing
With bdsp being handled by a different studio while gamefreak worked on arceus it makes clear that they simply dont want to make remakes anymore and even if they do it will be handled as an spin off instead of main game like oras was to gen 6
We need silver an gold remakes for the switch
Also,every game after gen 6 has been in the mega timeline,even if they arent in the games, scarlett and violet straight up mentions mega salamence
Even masters and unite
Masters has mega evolution,so does unite
Let's Go isn't in the Mega Timeline though...
@@kawafernandes7025 ...
@@kawafernandes7025 reflect on what you just said, maybe you'll realise how stupid it is
@@kannan07 ?
*Let's Go contradics the Mega Timeline:*
*1.* Red isn't the protagonist (instead, it's Chase/Elaine), Blue isn't the rival... he didn't become the Kanto Region champion.
*2.* Actually, Red and Blue ARE there... but they ALREADY completed their journey... btw, the pokedex wasn't invented, and none of them could've stopped Team Rocket (it was the protagonist of the game who did it)
*3.* If Red DIDN'T beat Giovanni, why would him remember it in USUM?
*4.* If Red (and Blue, at some point) wasn't the champion, how come it was mentinoned in SM?
*5.* Concept Art of LGPE reveal the characyter *Mina* is 13-15 years old, while in SM/USUM she is *at least,* not older than 19 years old (as she mentions, trial captains retire when they reach 20 years of age), which may not sound like a problem... until you realise it means ONLY 4-6 years have passed between these games... Good luck trying to fit ALL the games in the Mega Timeline in this short timespan...
*6.* If only 4-6 years have passed, how would the timeline look?
LGPE/ORAS -3y-> MEGA-JOHTO/BDSP -(11-12y 💀)-> MEGA-BW -2y-> MEGA-B2W2/XY -2y-> SM
The timeline needs about 20 YEARS to work 💀💀💀
*IF* we disconsider the 11-12 year old gap between JOHTO/BDSP and UNOVA (that happens due to 1. that Rocket Grunt that, AFTER the Johto events, gets married and has a SON, about the age of becoming a trainer himself at the time of BW, 2. some pokedex entries we'll get to later), because *"bW dIdN't hApPeN iN tHe mEgA tImElInE, oNlY iN tHe nON-mEga, sO nOtHiNg tHaT hApPeNs tHeRe iS cOnFirMeD iN tHe mEgA, aLtHoUgH iT iS sAid ThEsE uNiVeRsEs aRe sImiLaR aMoNg tHeMsElVeS"!!!,* then we MAY have:
LGPE/ORAS -3y> JOHTO/SINNOH/UNOVA (Contradicting official info that says BW happens AFTER GS/DP)-2y> UNOVA/XY -2y-> SM/USUM
It fits 7 years exactly (it STILL can't fit in the 4-6 years range)... but I needed to create a HUGE stretch to fit it like this (even contradicting official info), shortening the timeline from about 20 years to just 7.
*7.* Porygon dex entries from SM/USUM state it was created "roughly 20 years ago", and some official media, specifically the book "Pokedex (1996)", state it was created in 1995 (and the Pokedex research is 100% completed in 1996), pretty much confirming the whole timeline to be in a 19-20 years old range (even basically confirming my first timeline, minus LGPE).
*8.* Did I mention Red has "96" written in his shirt? (Like, honestly, doesn't that ring a bell? That he *MAY* have completed his journey/became the champion in 1996, establishing a link with my previous point?) Btw, in the (now-defunct) official Sun and Moon website, it is said that "The rising popularity of Pikachu-styled merchandise around 20 years ago is the reason that Mimikyu makes itself look like Pikachu." A popular theory connects the dots and says that Red, winning the League with a (unevolved) Pikachu, made it become a celebrity, and, with that, ended up creating some in-lore Pikachu merchandise boom...
*9.* Pokemon Origins fits the role much better.
@@kawafernandes7025 oh that's what you meant
In that case,you're semi correct,it's still the mega timeline,it's just that lets go isn't canon
I do feel like especially since soon the original 7 generations will be cut off from transfer faithful remakes or simply ports is a necessity. BDSP was a step in the right direction in many ways but it was a real mistake to actually remove features such as the shortened contests, secret bases or even HMs. With HMs I think it wouldve been much better if they were kept in the game but you can just use HMs from the Box due to the box link, still preserving the original intent of HMs, to give your Pokemon an ability to interact with the world in a meaningful way, while also not being the tedious and annoying mess they were back in Gen 4.
As well as yes... The Platinum content shouldve been a no-brainer. It's fine to focus on the original DP's story, that makes total sense, but the areas, characters and features shouldve been implemented in some form or fashion.
Z-A Coming next year I think it's probably pretty likely we'll get faithful remakes of X and Y and outside of HMs, which I think I'm in the minority for wanting the ability to use them as they were originally intended once again, there probably won't be much to complain about since there is no Z version to compare it to. The only real question for X and Y remake, aside from if they're happening or not, is if they come out before or after Z-A, if they come out after they could allow transfer of the new Pokemon and formes introduced in Z-A (and ORAS's Megas) which I think would be a really cool idea and is honestly what shouldve happened with BDSP and Arceus. I get it that Hisuan Growlith is extinct and I'm not arguing it should be catchable in BDSP, but it wouldve been really cool to be able to bring it over and perhaps unlock a little bit of additional content as a result. ORAS certainly screwed with the lore by including Primals, but if you add a way to get Origin Dialga/Palkia through either a connecting of save-data or simply having the Adamant Ore being a hidden item it wouldve added I think a lot more reason to go back to such a faithful Sinnoh.
Because they want megas to be in the next gen battling, sooner or later in his vital cycle. You're welcome.
I think there is one more thing to take into consideration: pokemon bank shutdown + virtual console games
Gen 7 sucked.
But I'm not sure whether this means it needs to be remade more than the other generations, or whether it should be ignored.
Technically ZA isn’t a remake like how Legends Arceus isn’t a remake.
They finally started their open world all they need to do now is make it an actual mmo.
I bought a switch for arceus pokemon legends but i kinda regret. The game feels so empty.
I’m just waiting for the reveal that’s it’s actually called legends rayquaZA (Mega2.0) 😂
It would be awesome to see a game with all the generations... 😂