Moza R5 - 5Nm Entry Level Direct Drive Wheel. How is it?
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- čas přidán 16. 05. 2024
- The R5 kit includes the R5 Wheelbase, ES Wheel, SR-P Lite Pedals and Table Clamp for a total of $599. That edges out Fanatec's 5nm CSL DD for price, and in a few ways the R5 feels much more grown up. Having adopted the more powerful R9, Here's what I think of the new entriest-level direct drive from Moza Racing under testing.
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0:00 Intro
0:39 TLDW
1:30 Disclaimer
2:04 Price and Context
3:06 Box Contents
5:49 Mounting
6:29 Driving
8:22 Software
9:15 Limitations
10:35 Noise
11:24 Heat
12:25 Summary
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I went from a logitech to an r9 and the noise reduction can't be understated. The second you touch dirt or gravel, that logitech wheel sounds like skeletons fucking.
Super boney?
😭😭😭
This is so good to know. Went from the fanatec club sport v2.5 to g923 (sold it to get my motorcycle fixed) and was so annoyed and wish I hadn’t. Just ordered the moza r9 and gonna order the gs wheel next month and hearing this gets me so excited. Anytime I was in a call I had atleast one person comment “WhAt Is ThAt SoUnD”. Was annoying and embarrassing
You take calls while sim racing?
@@spinitsidewayz lmao. Can’t tell if this is serious or not but in case it is I mean like discord or TeamSpeak.
Thank you for the TLDW part!
No problem - no time to waste and that
I'm quite content with my CSL DD, but you deserve the views and engagement.
Cheers Danny. You're awesome!
Cheers man, thanks for donating said engagement, you know it helps!
Bought the R5 Bundle + SR-P Pedals at Microcenter on sale in US. Coming from G920. Very Happy! Thank you for the review!
Awesome info, very useful for people reading the comments following your footsteps - Thanks!
@@oneyawdie6139 They still do; I got one from there two weeks ago on a Labor Day sale for $400 instead of the normal $500+, then sold my G29 for $100. XD
Great job on this review. Looks like a great entry level setup and like you said, maybe for younger sim racers.
Cheers man - it's a good option for the uncertain, as it's good enough to give them the idea as well as having that well made feel, but not mad expensive
or double the power for us logi users lol
@@tylermcguire2163 And then some! Really eyeing this with my 2.1Nm G920, the jump to 5.5 would be lovely!
Is this an upgrade on thrustmaster t300?
@@JH_4488 I’d say yes in that it’s a direct drive setup which should provide better fidelity ffb. I went from t300 to DD and ya DD is nice. May not make you “faster” but maybe more consistent?
Used your code the other day for a gt Omega prime, thanks mate!
Thanks man, much appreciated and bon voyage with the build!
I have it for 2weeks now. I love it. For me its even too strong to drive 4h straight, so i put it on 60% otherwise i would ruin my body as a newbie.
I have the upgrade spring on the braking pedal. That is a plus
i have one on the way ...i see a lot of peoples complaining with overheating but maybe running at 60-80% completely eliminate this problem for long sessions?
@@laurentgagne892 never had it overheating... and yes it gets hot. Obviously for a couple of reasons, but never had it overheating. Kept going for hours without any problem.
It never stopped working... as long as you focus on the feedback being in the lines of what is good. The game and software will tell you that.
I still love it. But i am thinking of changing the basewheel to a f1 style for gt3 racing. I dont do drifting, so no need to have a round one.
But it works fine. Just preference i guess
@@jasmijnariel yea i got the open wheel gt3 mod since its dead cheap at 39 $ ....thanks for the infos...do you run the forcefeedback at 100% for hours too ?
@@laurentgagne892 no, the games like ACC allow it around 80%.
@@laurentgagne892 no, the games like ACC allow it around 80%.
The low noise level of the wheel is the big selling point to me. The only time I have to play is late at night after work, and waking up the fam is a no-go.
It's a quiet lil' thing for sure
Your voice is so soothing. I could listen to you say anything.
"Your rent is in arrears"
0:53 Table clamp is rock sold ... Desk cries for help! LOLOL That clip gave me a good chuckle hehe
Great review man
right now i have a thrustmaster tx and im thinking about upgrading to this. I assume you know that now the r5 is sold separately . Im thinking abt getting the r5 by itself and then getting the normal srp pedals and maybe the fsr. Would you say thats a good idea?
I'd buy it, the 639EUR is a solid price. Reviews look good, the biggest issue for me would be the brake pedal, but they are adding an accesory (a spring), to make it better.
As I'd said, i'd like to buy it, but with shipping to my country it's 768EUR, 130EUR more, that's a lot. :(
Check out some retailers for cheaper shipping, I bought my own through a retailer too.
is it not possible to buy the r5 as a standalone wheel ? without the pedals as im using a g29 with csl loadcell pedals so wont need the lite pedals
Is it a good upgrade from Thrustmaster t300? Thanks for the review 😊
I dont believe it, send it to me and ill be the judge
No shame you have.
but truely how on one side are people actually desperate for a thing like this as they cant afford spending hundreds on their gear and others are overfed with gear and get this for free with no hassle... i would do a review too xD
Make sure to send it over to me once you’ve reviewed it so I can review it for myself as well 😂
@@1x_Baileythere's this thing called comedy
Great review! I'm in-between the R5 and R9, and the Lite pedals are making it difficult for me to decide to go with the R5. I've been using the Thrustmaster TMX since 2017. Have you checked out the Simforge Mark-1 pedals by any chance? Would love to see your review on that product.
A buddy of mine is having the same issue. I told him to either wait a little bit and see if Moza start selling the R5 by itself. Or buy the bundle and get the srp pedals with it.
Thanks, man. I haven't checked out Simforge, unfortunately - not likely to ever do so either - will leave the equipment focus to other people, as for me I stick to things I use or think I would use if in the market for it. Time to get back to the tutorials/guides a bit!
@@dannyleeracing Oh ok. Check them out when you have some time. They are a new Indian company and make only one product right now, the Mark-1 pedal set. Have seen a few reviews where they're saying it's as good as the Heusinkveld Sprint and only cost $399.
Splash a little cash and go for the R9 and those Mark-1 Pedals. If they're anything close to the huskinveld sprints they'll be amazing. You're clearly investing in sim racing so go for the better setup.
TBH about 99% of the people playing what this guy calls 'hardcore sims' don't have brake pedals significantly better than the one in the R5. It's not like every other logitech, thrustmaster and even other entry level DD have load cell is it? At best a few of them have some kind of spring or piece of rubber to add fake resistance. It'd probably be worth getting the mod to add the spring. But the review as "not for hardcore sims' is exaggerated. Note too that plenty of the cars in sims like assetto corsa have ABS anyway (not added as an aid, they're factory fitted in the real car) so that makes it complete moot.
Hey mate I need a question answered, I can get the r5 bundle, but im having some doubts about the power, I tried out the fanatec csl dd from one of those f1 booths, but I have no idea what setting they were running(probs default) but it was just the right amount of ffb, and based on all that do you think I sould spend the extra 100 bucks on the r9 with the srp pedals? Oh also does the r9 work with the es steering wheel?
I would get the R9 that’s what I have I use the es wheel. Feels great.
Thanks for the information! What size monitor and ACC FOV was you running?
I use 24" monitors, not sure what my ACC FOV is, but I usually tune it til it feels right for me, then if the dashboard or wheel is cut off too much I'll put the camera pitch down about 5 degrees to bring the track surface back to level. It just has to 'look' right for you.
I bought my g29 8 years ago and was happy for a while, until I built my PC last year and wanted something more. I was really considering the T300, but I thought it would be smarter to get the R5 because it’s about the same price at the time I’m talking about this. I haven’t gotten my R5 yet I just ordered, but I’m very excited.
Great review. Have you tried Performance Kit brake upgrade for this bundle? If so, what are your thoughts on it?
I didn't think much to the performance kit - see a video here: czcams.com/video/mGIhK4C-c1I/video.htmlsi=4Q5Td9PG7raA4sN_
The shaft looks like it just came out of the pool ;)
Great video, thanks. 1 question: is it possible to use the SRP loadcell pedals with the R5 by plugging them into the wheelbase? Or do you have to plug the pedals into PC directly?
Almost certainly they'll need plugging into PC direct. Nothing lost by doing that besides the USB port slot!
@@dannyleeracing I‘m PS5 user and would use R5 with Ras1ution device at first. But as you hinted at R5 possibly being console compatible one day, I wanna make sure to have pedals that are able to run being plugged into the wheelbase:)
I prefer the loadcell ones, but if they don‘t work in the wheelbase I might just buy the bundle. thanks for helping out anway.
@@YoungRonnieMontana Ah, then you're right - I wouldn't hold out hope for Moza attaining console compatibility any time soon, I don't have any insider info but I think it's a long while away. If they do release console compatible kit, it will likely be in the form of new hardware anyway!
@@dannyleeracing You‘re spot on, customer support just confirmed no PS5 support anytime soon and if it comes some day, will be implemented in hardware.
They also said the SRP Loadcell do plug directly in the R5 (which is now kinda irrelevant anyway)
Have you tried any rally or drifting with this R5 and how was it?
Funny thrustmaster only teased and teased about their dd system for months and never delivered, meanwhile Moza deliver without all of that marketing bs, I think im buying into moza ecosystem, I’m just playing pc , so It’s not a deal breaker for me not having console support
I wish this had a load cell brake pedal upgrade like the fanatec pedals do
Moza confirm it will come later
Moza said it’ll come later..
Hi, do you know if Thrustmasters T3PM or T3PA pedals can be connected with thw Moza R5 or R9?
Thank you
If you're on PC, and the pedals are USB connected, then yes! You don't HAVE to use moza's pedals if you don't want to
does the Moza R5 have a xbox menu button or any way to map a button to it?
Is the new ES wheel fully compatible with R9? I noticed additional pins which R9 doesn’t have contact plates for…
I would guess not, for those reasons! Looks like it's an R5-specific wheel but there may be clarification coming
It's a perfect match to playseat challenge
That's good to know, because I'm doing a video about the Challenge very soon!
Is there a way of improving the input force for the brake pedal? Stronger spring rate?
Apparently there is a brake performance kit available now. I will let you know how convincing it is once I receive it.
@@dannyleeracing The kit isn't compatible with these SRP lite pedals.
@@jrmanders99 Moza name it the "SR-P Lite Brake Pedal Performance Kit"
I have the spring upgrade and its a good upgrade.
How do the pedals compare to T300RS GT T3PA pedals? Is it upgradeable like the CSL DD Load Cell Kit?
Moza said it will be eventually.
Unfortunately I haven't tried any TM pedals, but the R5 pedals are pretty basic so I wouldn't call them an 'upgrade' from anything else other than in terms of build quality. They are solid, but still very basic.
Worth upgrading from a t300rs?
Is it possible to buy the SRP pedals separately and use them with it? Desperately need an upgrade from my G29 for ACC, but parents aren't wanting to spend over 700 on a wheel
Yes. It's avaliable as standalone pedal set before the R5 has been released
The SRP (full version) are available standalone, the SRP Lites (basic starter pedals) are not yet available standalone
@@dannyleeracing awesome. And they'll work with the R5 right?
@@TheLauraaaaaaaaaa The SRP Standard pedals connect directly via USB rather than routing through the R5 so they will(should) work independently, I can't see any reason why they wouldn't so you should be OK. Haven't tested it with my own eyes, though.
Hey I’m looking in purchasing this, one question is will be the resistance feedback shake my monitors?
All depends on the stability of your desk and monitors! Give your desk a wobble and if your screens wobble too, then the answer will be yes
Not only that, but it will also shake anything on your desk and yeet it onto the floor.
So Moza's website lists the R5 Bundle at 639€ without VAT while Fanatec lists the 5nm DD Pro bundle for 699.95€ with VAT. So I guess depending where you are, it will still be less expensive but with PS support, and upgrades for a LC brake and 8nm FFB.
I would wait until it reaches European retailers (Simmotion or similar)
@@knochi956 or Fanatec will sell their products outside Europe
But tbf the r5 has pedals and a wheel included, csl dd only has the base
@@aepfelpfluecker no, he said GT DD Pro bundle, standard version with 2 pedals
When you racing years on 2.5 Nm logitech wheel and it's more than ok for you... R5 is a BEAST, and in my opinion more than enough for middle racing gamer. Pro sim racers can buy what they want tho.
Does the break upgrade kit they released solve the bad break? Or at least make it better controlled?
It improves it, but not by much - I reviewed it recently! czcams.com/video/mGIhK4C-c1I/video.html
@@dannyleeracing ok! Thank you!
i wish it would work with the ps5! i guess i'm going to have to wait for fanatec to be in stock...
Does your srp lite pedal stay connected in pit house? My pedals only show connected when I hit the gas or brake then immediately disconnects after I let go of gas or brake. Is that normal?
Does it work OK besides showing up weirdly in Pit House? Could be a pit house software update that'll fix that...
Just wish their wheels weren’t so pricey. Here in Aus I can get the R9 base for $699 but the GS wheel is $799 - $1500 all up. I have a Thrustmaster t300 at the moment with a few attachment wheels
I have modified and they are the only reason I’m still holding out waiting for their DD. If Moza had a $300 GT rim I’d bite them bullet and move over.
They do have the CS steering wheel on that range released some months ago, around 270 USD.
@@spacelube5845 yeah I know but I want some sort of open wheel and don’t really like round wheels. Fussy, I know. I love my TM open wheel of only I had a DD base to use it with! I think there will be a bit to choose from by the end of the year with the TM DD potentially out and Moza might even have a few more rims available.
Just get a CSW 2.5 up until prices have come down. They are a bargain atm it’s really good with 8 nm peak torque at 300 bucks
@@joshuabenson2568 I haven’t seen any for a good price here in Aus. Where abouts are you? Here they go for $650 minimum as there doesn’t seem to be too many around. I saw a broken one for spare parts going for $600. They seem pretty rare here.
cs wheel is perfect. r9 + srp pedals + cs wheel is around £800. if you want open wheels then im sure they will come out with stuff in the future. the ecosystem is looking like it will develop very quickly considering how popular the r9 already is
Compatibility with xbox series?
OMG its so cute
so smol
can you take the QR off the wheel?
fits the GS V2 WHEEL on the R5 Base aswell?
Yes, I believe the GS V2 does work with the R5. Check the GS V2 page on Moza's site to verify that, it should list the bases it's compatible with
@@dannyleeracing thank you!
@@dannyleeracing thanks Danny..got a last question..whats about the clipping WIth the R5 at higher FFB? (80%and higher)
So you don't recommend the R5 without bundle? R5+wheel+loadcell is still cheaper than anything similar. (basically same as bundle, but swap out the sr-p lite for the sr-p)
The R5 is a great little base by itself, for sure! At the time of the video it wasn't available separately so that'll explain why it's not outlined
@@dannyleeracing Oh, I see, thank you very much for taking the time to reply to me! Glad to hear, because I think I am ordering that.
If this was available for XBox and PlayStation, Moza would be putting Fanatec out of business.
How does it work with BeamNG ? Does it have default presets for it ? Are they good ?
Looking for an update on the R9 now that you've used it for a couple months.
Still using it, still good!
Good video... are you telling me that I can mount a direct drive like Moza R5 or Fanatec DD pro 5Nm on a table without using copkit?? Give me a yes please ;-)
Yes. Works great, the only thing you need to worry about is securing the castors on your chair, for which there are multiple solutions, so you should be good. The Fanatec CSL DD Table clamp looks rubbish, though, the clubsport clamp would be the right tool for the job if you go Fanatec route
Compared to the G29 pedals, how does this feel?
Throttle is much, much nicer, but the brake isn't that much better from a performance standpoint
will this also work with 'regular' arcade / emulation / console racing games, besides sim racing? I've heard these higher end setups aren't compatible... thx a lot, great info/video on this!
Thanks for watching! If it's not in the confirmed compatibility list, then it *might* work, but will probably be very limited in what it does because such games might not have been designed with advanced force feedback in mind and you won't be getting anywhere near full benefit from it.
Is it compatible with the other Moza wheels?
not atm. but Moza said it might be in the near future
Only the ES wheel and the new FSR wheel. But the FSR wheel itself is already more expensive then the r5 bundle.
Your R9 review came with pads to address the issue of sound with the shifters. Did these come with that too? I might have missed that in this review.
As soon as Moza comes to to Xbox I’m buying, I just hope it comes before fanatec comes back in stock
They released the MOZA R3 like a month ago for the Xbox!
Is this an upgrade on thrustmaster t300?
Yes, but not by a huge amount looking at the T300 specs - I haven't tested a T300, but I would skip it and save your money for an R9 / CSL DD
@@dannyleeracing OK thanks
If you have problems with the brake you can buy an upgrade from moza
I bought the R5 bundle, plus the brake mod, the 12” round wheel, the hgp shifter, handbrake, universal mounting adapter, and the usb hub from Moza’s website. So far I’ve received the 12” wheel, hand brake, and usb hub; the brake mod will be delivered tomorrow. It’s week two of awaiting my shipping info on the r5 wheel base, pedals, shifter, and universal mounting adapter (the most important bits). 🥲
Just bought this today at
Microcenter for 479$ for the bundle
Just got mine there last week!
remember when csl dd was consider tiny
I wish the wheel was just a bit larger and the clutch pedal should be in the box already and not be an additional item you have to order aswell. Its a cheap part I give them that.
Ive already ruled the Fanatec CSL out for me. Too many issues with the quick release and price is too high for what it is since only the Gran Turismo DD Pro is available which is 100€ more than the regular CSL.
So its either R5 or R9...
This is I mostly do Rally, BeamNG tomfoolery and when I drive in other Sims its always cars that require a proper sized round wheel.
So maybe R9 + CS Wheel and Pedals and Shifter would be up to me to sort out.
Honestly, i don't understand the bundle decisions made by Moza. The wheel at 28cm is a little too toy-like and the pedals are something you would upgrade sooner than later. If you are in the market for a DD, you are not going to be satisfied with those pedals. And let's face it, the wheel and pedals are more important in creating the immersion than the FFB. I hope they end up selling the R5 separately so people can choose better pedals and wheel to go with it. But I'm guessing this partly exists just to steer people into getting the R9 instead, which I would also do with the current options available.
i agree
Yes that’s what I did. Although I have the es wheel and I like it
Just add the brake mod to fix the brake pedal. Probably didn't have that available when you did this review.
ES Steering wheel specs Wheel Material
Microfiber Leather
The wheel is wrapped in leather, not vinyl according to Moza specs
Indeed, my mistake generalising it as vinyl
Isn't the CSL DD 5nm and equivalent wheel and pedals a better deal. Only because it seems to offer easier and better upgrade path. If you want more power just buy the 180 powerpack. If you want better brake just buy loadcell. With moza it seems you have to buy a whole new rig
You'd have a very good point if that model was ever in stock. It's been sold out for a very very long time, at least in the EU. If it were in stock, the choice would be very even.
@@dannyleeracingYea stock availability is a sticking point.
I wonder what Fanatec is now doing? Nothing new for almost a year..
You think to much and your brain still comes up with nothing.
So I will spell it out for you.
Fanatec is making money with the DD Pro.
You can go bed now
4:02 Yes they now made a R3 😭
They've announced it, but it ain't available to buy yet. Seemingly it's been stuck in licensing hell after Xbox changed the rules on third party peripherals last year!
any other time like with the R9 or csl dd (8nm) id have said power really shouldn't be an issue, the main benefit is speed and response times but at 5.5nm peak... that's not enough to get a true DD experience in my opinion and i get a feeling manufacturers are cashing in on the cheap DD hype, most people who buy this are probably going to love it but not realize they are missing what made a DD blow your mind for all these years. i have a feeling the market is going to start getting flooded with cheap chinese DD bases that dont really offer that DD experience. i know that's gonna piss a lot of people off, in before the 3.5nm simagic alpha tiddly arrives.
I think it still makes sense to make these weaker direct drive wheels. Direct drive is just a straight up better technology for responsiveness in racing wheels. The amount of force feedback isn't everything. Hence the mods people do to logitech wheels to increase force responsiveness at the cost of the amount of force feedback
@@dogboy0912 yeh i somewhat agree with you, having these low power options is always a good thing... i just think a lot of the spirit of what makes a DD remarkable is missing at such low power... i say this because i actually believe the torque one feels through a DD is lower at the hands than it is with a belt or cog driven wheel base believe it or not... for example i have a logitech g29 and a simucube 2 pro, if i set the simucube 2 pro to 2.2nm (minimum i can set simucube is actually 2.5nm) which is the same as the logitech g29 it is basically completely dead... im not exaggerating when i say i cant feel a thing but with the g29 i can feel it... i think this is because the cogs (and belts in belt wheels|) actually artificially boost the power from the motors.
so to cut a long story short, i think DD motors kind of need the power to get the most from them, wheels like the g29, t300 etc can get away with tiny motors because of that perceived boost of power you get from the cogs/belts. At 5.5nm my simucube is pretty dead and weak aswell but i will say im using a pretty heavy and large wheel and the motor of the simucube is ofcourse very large and has different inertia characteristics.
i just... dont think 5.5 is enough, you are right to say there are still DD advantages, they will always be more responsive and clean i just dont think you are really getting the DD experience with the R5, the wow factor wont be there.
Why is the desk clamp so long nobody has a desk as thick as that clamp ajusts to,with a computer chair that swivels that most of us have and normal thickness desk this over sized clamp will hurt our legs,may sound silly but it puts me off buying it they could just of made a short normal desktop clamp ie the most common type,and a shame they have not offered a bundle with the better brake pedal at a little extra cost for the R5 base.
You know what I hate. When a reviewer says something is decent but might as well get the next step up. So you watch their review on the next step up. Only for them to say might as well go a step further. Insane.
It's like that video of the guy with the blue bucket on his head getting chased by police and they knock the bucket off his head, only to reveal another bucket underneath
After price comparison on different bundle combinations with Moza and Fanatec. I went with the R9 + ES wheel + SR-P as a next step up from gear/belt wheels. All affordable bundles will have you buying the upgrades anyways.
Why did you say it was wrapped in vinyl when right on the box it says hand stitched leather?
Man this wheel costs 135$ to ship to the USA, so I don't think the 600$ price tag is an *honest* cost.
This is a current point of contention and rightly so - they're apparently setting up more distribution in the US to counteract it, and would be reflected in shipping costs. Otherwise, other regional dealers should be able to beat the shipping rather than going direct
Dont buy from moza, but from a store near you. I bought one in austria (i live in belgium, 900km away) and i got is 100euros cheaper because moza's expensive shipping wasnt a deal there
If you have a Microcenter locally, they sell them in store.
It seems this company is only
It's been 7 days and the suspense is killing me. What was the end of that sentence? I need to know!
"decent" upgrade from a Logitech??? WTF are u smokin? It's night and day! My CSR Elite is inferior to the R5 and i only run @ 60% strength!