Which Omega Speedmaster to buy? (Pro vs Reduced)
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- So today we discuss whether the far more affordable Speedmaster Reduced is a good enough compromise against paying much more out for the Professional. Let us know your thoughts in the comments section!
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Really enjoyed the comparison between the two,great video, well done.
Really enjoyed this video. I’m glad the merits of the reduced would looked at without the bias of the “heritage” of the moonwatch getting in the way. Very rare to see. My Speedmaster is always running out of power as I either forget to wind it or I’m simply not there to do so. Whereas my other manually wound watch has 10 days, giving plenty of time to top it up. And its not particularly satisfying to wind. Still love it though, mainly due to that perfectly designed dial that stands up as one of the greatest designs of the 20th century of any object.
Ben Hodges fully agree Ben, the fact that our speedy pro is as far removed from the original speedy that went to the moon as my Lego Apollo 11 is from the real thing kind of takes the whole heritage out of the equation when you’re looking at a very similar looking Speedmaster 👍
Enjoyed watching and listening to your opinions. It's nice to hear you liking the automatic, far too many reviews just seem to bash and diss.it out of hand. Thankyou.👏👍
Awaiting delivery on a Speedy Reduced with a champagne dial. Choosing the Reduced left enough in the budget for a Longines Legend. So I'm pretty happy about that. Cheers guys!
I purchased a 3539.50 reduced last month from chrono24...... Absolutely in love. I missed the hesalite initially but the sapphire is well done on my version. For my 7inch wrists I prefer the smaller profile. Great video guys!
Nice purchase! Thanks Alan 👍
i'm looking at chrono24 as well. how much did u get it for mate?
Did the same thing. I love the fact you don't have to wind it and its waterproof rating is 100 meters 50 more than the expensive moonwatch so getting it wet isn't an issue.
Great review guys, I did the same and went for the 3539.50 from chrono and i gotta say, these watches aren't as cheap as they used to be. Paid over 3G with papers
Thank you for another fantastic review/comparison. I too had heard that the reduced was tall and discounted it. I do not like that the reduced has 18mm lugs (most of my straps are 20mm) but I can buy a lot of straps for 2K...I am going to have to go back and rethink my decision to buy a Pro.
Jeffrey Wood thanks Jeffrey! I agree, the 18mm lug width is a little irksome!
Great video guys, two great watches in fairness. Cant go wrong with either. I have the Reduced and love it,great size and prefer the auto movement. I dont baby it and its been great for a watch made in 1992.
mike o connor thanks Mike 👍
I own both reduced and pro. My opinion... the pro’s and con’s balance themselves. The only correct answer if you’re on the fence between buying one or the other. Buy both used. The reduced looks and feels like a vintage size watch. I prefer the bracelet on the reduced. It looks and feels like a Rolex Day Date AND on a smaller wrist it makes the reduced look like a bigger watch. On the reduced you have a 18mm lug width. Which is difficult to find a quality leather strap for it. You can also have the chronograph seconds hand running all the time. Since it’s an automatic, it will not run out of power and the movement can handle the chrono function working continuously. You can find a reduced from $1400 to $2100.... $2500 to $3200 for the sapphire crystal WITH the cock and balls on the dial. There are many variations of the reduced many Japanese editions and a few European editions. IMO the best is a Japanese market panda dial.
On the Speedy pro. It fits perfect on a strap (ANY strap looks good on the Speedy). On a bracelet the Speedy might wear large on a smaller wrist. On a strap the Speedy wears smaller. The sapphire sandwich version looks larger because of the crystals white ring around the dial. The dial looks bigger than the plastic crystal version. The Speedy pro is only $3000- $4000 (depending where you buy and condition) used or new grey market (no Omega warranty). It’s NOT worth buying new at an Omega store. For a new Speedy they are asking $5200 - $5700. Speedmasters lose value but remain steady at $3000 minimum on the used market. The bracelet on a Speedy is subjective to looks. Personally I don’t like it. It’s too beefy and it lacks micro adjustments. As a Rolex owner it’s difficult to beat an Oyster bracelet... sorry. If Omega would taper the bracelet from 20mm at the lugs down to 16mm at the clasp with a micro adjustment clasp (Seamaster). Then yes it would be perfect. On a Speedy pro, the chrono function limits the power reserve down to 30 hours if you keep that function running. It also wears out the movement a lot faster. I only use the chrono to time cooking in the kitchen and at work (yes it’s a very useful tool for me).
If you want a vintage Speedy pre-1995. The sky is the limit. If you find a Speedy pro with a patina tritium dial expect to pay no less than $3700 on the used market. Keep in mind Omega tritium lume sucks. Most tritium lume on Omega does not age well. Most dials look dirty so finding a nice yellow cream color even patina on the dial & hands is difficult to find at a lower price.
Amazing comment! Thanks for taking the time mate.
Great video... keep it up you will get to 2000 soon!
Cheers mate, hopefully so!
Love this channel
Now that the big 50th anniversary thing is behind us, let’s face it, no one really needs a Speedmaster (though I love my 357050 pro quite a bit). But if you want one, go for the real deal. The reduced, with its slightly offset subdials, is like a four cylinder Ford Mustang. There is no substitute for cubic inches, as they say over there.
That said, if you don’t care about this Moon thing and just fancy a more compact chronograph, from a great Swiss brand, with a range of dial color options for sensible money, the Speedy reduced is a great choice.
Haha I like that analogy! However I think of the pro didn’t exist the reduced would be praised by everyone. If the 5.0 didn’t exist, no one would be celebrating a 4 pot mustang lol
Reduced on the metal strap. The polished centre links make it for me.
Useful Video! I have the blue one you mention - see pic - much nicer in real life than in the pic at 14.20. I love not having to wind it!
ljr35 I love that ref!
I bought a $1600 Speedy Reduced. I don't regret getting the mini Moonwatch. I have 6.75" wrists , might as well take the win and get more for your money. Bonus is the auto rotor, stop seconds and wear free center seconds chronograph function. Service was $300.
1600 ? where? and 300 too service? where?
I found the research I did before buying my Speedmaster also had conflicting results, so I got a Japanese model reduced automatic with the valjoux 7750 from Mid 90's for a song on ebay, although Customs and excise stung me 😒😒😒
leslie O'Neill ah man! Always the way! Lovely watch though, do you still have it?
Once you mentioned the sub dials were too far apart, I cannot unsee it now 😂
Or are the Speedmaster’s too close together?
They look kinda weirdly close compared to a Rolex Daytona or Breitling Navitimer.
I am starting to like the channel. Is the reduced movement a ETA 2892 with Dubois depraz module ?
Ryan Loken thanks Ryan! That’s exactly it 👍
What watches have you guys got on the wrist? It would be good to briefly show mention in each video
Cheers Lewis. I have a Seiko Lord Marvel and Ant is wearing a Fears Redcliffe. We did start off on some early stuff doing a wrist check but always felt a bit forced.
Very nice discussion gentlemen. Would you go for the Reduced (hexalite) or Reduced (sapphire)?
Hi Marvin! Personally, I’d go for the sapphire on the Reduced.
Hmmm was never a big Speedy fan really. Then I watched the recent Horology House video and want that one described as ‘the Pro’ on there I think its the one with manual wind and sapphire (end of ref is 006), 42mm and it had a display case back as well. The reduced is not for me, just too small although I love thinner watches. Still don’t think I will ever get one as I prefer the Aqua Terra and the new Seamaster but you never know 🤷♂️😁
Nearly forgot, good video guys makes a change from all the hype and BS... keeping it real! 👍
Mark Playford thanks Mark 👍👍
Horolo who?
Is there a difference in water resistance?
I've got a reduced with sapphire crystal and thinking about knocks it has taken, I'm sure it wouldn't have lasted with hesalite
edacheb genuinely couldn’t find a definitive answer to the Auto’s WR online! Some people say 30m, others say 100m. Pro is 50m. Personally, I wouldn’t be getting either too wet.
@@clockbait Ah fair play. I was curious because I have a speedy reduced date with a valjoux 7750 movement and it's 100 m and a sapphire crystal. It gives me so much more confidence in it's capabilities, I swim with mine all the time haha!
edacheb ha, awesome! Must research harder 😂
edacheb The WR of the Reduced was bumped slightly with the transition from 3510.50 to 3539.50 (along with the sapphire, markers and clasp), from 30 to 50 if memory serves. No idea about the date versions so I'll take your word for it :)
A reduced is going to be older. I wouldn’t get either wet
The speedy that sits tall is the racing...15mm tall for a for a 40mm diameter watch with lug to lug of 46mm. The reduce had classic proportions much like a bb58 and zenith 1969.
Initially i wanted to buy the reduced. Mainly because of the size but also because the lower price.
The I realised the there are not too many on the used marked in Switzerland, an they are often around 2000 CHF, depending on the condition.
On the other hand you can get a moonwatch under 4000.- on the grey market. An those are new and including guarantee and the enormous box. In addition i prefer the dial of the pro. The dial of the reduced feels too busy for me.
Considering all that i picked up speedy pro for 3700.- and I perfectly happy with it.
I wouldnt mind to add a Speedmaster mk40 to my collection though.
Marty McFly in your case the pro makes perfect sense. Mk49 is very marmite but we like it 👍
Funny hearing people criticising the Reduced subdials design. Do critics not notice the resemblance in its proportions with the 4-digit Daytonas, especially the Big Eyes?
Very good point! Not everyone likes the Daytona design either, they were bloody unpopular watches not so long ago
Having had both I can tell you that the moonwatch is completely the way to go, getting the reduced is like the itch that hasn't been scratched (and never can be). The sapphire sandwich version is the one, just much more earth bound luxury and scratch resist. Plus you get to see the highly finished 1863. So no plastic inside or out.
Sapphire sandwich is lovely Dan. Even the ‘milky ring’ is exaggerated online!
Reduced! For the money savings alone
Strange thing is now we're in 2022 seems like lots of opinions on the reduced have u-turned. Maybe something to do with watch sizes becoming smaller and the watch itself a lot rarer makes this little bad boy hold itself strong. And lets not forget the 3635 sapphire crystal, 100m water proof and can run the chrono as a second hand all day without ruining the movement makes it a winner.
What about the Speedmaster 3511.50 Reverse Panda?
Duncan Wood one of the best looking soeedys in our opinion
@@clockbait considering this as my next acquisition, lines up next to a Rolex Datejust and Tudor BB Blue. Completes the trifecta....for now! Love the channel by the way, keep up the great work!
Don't buy the Reduced thinking that it will appease your yearning for a Moonwatch! It doesn't. Having said that both are great watches
I have a Reduced with a silver dial and bezel. My wrist is quite small so I'm delighted with the reduced case size, plus the dial and bezel colour, as they allow me to use the watch every day, even in semi-formal office environments. I wasn't interested in the 'heritage' aspects of the Professional ("Moonwatch"), simply in the reputation of the Omega brand. (I acknowledge the completely different movements, obviously, but trust Omega to have used a reliable [adapted[] auto movement in the Reduced model).
Both are real Speedies by Omega tho. None of them is close to the real Moonwatch since both movements differ from the original and you can even get the Professional with sapphire crystal which is even further away from the original. With that being said, pick the one that fits your wrist, wallet end mechanism (Auto or wind) and enjoy 😉
I have the newer version with sapphire and updated bracelet. Not the moon watch. Enough said.
The current 38mm (324.30.38.50.01.001) costs more than the hesalite pro when buying new. Unless that model I've referenced is not classified as a reduced?
Pro 1863, zaphire sandwich. And if you want 2 speedies,, after the 1863 buy the snoopy version
The dials really put me off of the automatic. So far apart. It wrecks the perfectly proportioned look.
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39mm is 100% the way to go. The reduced proportions are WAY better. People with small wrists wearing a 40mm+ is just terrible.
Big brands are starting to realise watches are getting too big and 39mm is and will be the meta soon.
I’ve had both and the reduced looks way better and visually matches proportionally.
EASY... Omega Speedmaster Professional hesalite!
I'd have the Dark Side of The Moon one that's all blacked out.. because I'm a tart
Terry Healy BUY IT
Reduced all day long for me. The best part of £4k for a watch that isn't the same as the one that went to the moon seems too much. On the used market there's so much more watch for the £4k than the Speedmaster Pro.
Rhys Bartley yep, too many people lean on the whole moon watch thing too much considering the differences!
Site matters, cash matters. Go Reduced
My thoughts exactly
Reduced is more expensive in maintainance. If cash matters its dumb to buy a reduced. The only thing important to me for buying a reduced is the size.
Purely dropping into these Speedies without considering the historical relevance the one that actually stood out having tried these 2 also - The First Omega in Space I found more aesthetically pleasing than either of these, love the angular hands, perfect size and sapphire
1 important thing about price. maintainance on the reduced is way more expensive. If price is why you would pick a long term speedmaster. Just pick the pro
It’s actually the same price for both pro and the reduced. £650. I’ve had both mine serviced and it’s the same price
The speedy reduced looks like a really bad fake copy of the regular speedmaster.
I like the Fiat 500 pic is cool!
Harsh Dan 😂
So much miss information in this video :/
Omega’s movement frequency and sub-second marker MISMATCH is FRAUD. They use 6 and 8 Vibr/Second movements combined with 1/5th sec markers on the dial. The chronograph hand misses all sub-second markers on all of these speedmasters, cannot be stoppoed on any of these markers, for almost 60 years, and no one talks about it. DESIGN FRAUD for profit.
Guys piece of advice. The echo In your video is horrible.
Makes the vid difficult to watch.
Sorry chap, it’s dramatically improved in the later videos
@@clockbait looking forward to checking them out! Cheers
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Oh my god... These guys are pathetic; winding your watch every day is "such a chore" - LOL
Shut up you miserable little spunk bubble