When I Realized What it Meant I Was Amazed: The Mark Series pt 31 (
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- At first it seems like this story is dropped awkwardly into Mark 9 with no apparent reason. But studying the passage more carefully shows that it may well be a deliberate act on the part of God to illustrate the need for faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus. This poor boy, afflicted by a demon for years, seems to be a representation of Jesus on the cross and how challenging it would be for the disciples to trust in a Messiah who would die. This passage also has something that is hugely important to me personally; the father of the child crying out, “I believe, help my unbelief!” The fact that Jesus received the conflicted faith of this man shows me that He receives us when our faith is equally conflicted. Thank God for His patience.
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When I wandered from the faith, I came to the point of deconversion to atheism. Standing in my mind at that spiritual precipice, I felt the despair so many atheists describe. I called out to God, "I'm at a point where I can't believe in you. If you are real, I can't have faith. Please remain faithful to me." This was a turning point where God started showing me what was wrong with all the arguments were that led me away and with my own perceptions of God and the church that led me away. God helped me in my unbelief.
Thank you for sharing your testimony bc I know ppl who have turned away from God. I pry & have hope they will turn back.
“All I need is a better reason to believe than disbelieve.” That right there is gold. I struggle with my faith in the Lord. Sometimes, leaving a question unanswered unsettles me. I feel like I am not a Christian when I allow these doubtful thoughts in my head. I feel like I have let God down exponentially. I have to remember to stay grounded in Him and to trust Him with every fiber of my being. Thomas is a good parallel to this. The same disciple that said, “Let us also go, so we may die with Him.” is the same disciple that doubted the resurrected Lord. It astonishes me. It makes us realize that we are not perfect, but He has that already figured out for us. Thank you Mike. I love your teachings.
Whatever you do be trustful to Him and honest in your heart. If you doubt a teaching or something you don't understand @ scripture God will know your intention why you do so.
God bless
BlaiseCazares you need to listen to Renee Roland on CZcams she will help you I’m sure
Blaise: Don't let Satan put you on a "guilt trip," God is loving, merciful, and forgiving....
how come no one laughed when he called them a 6? that was hilarious lol tough crowed
Mike is always hilarious he cracks me up
@@amandacarmel6084 ikr 👍😊
They must have been VERY intent on ther note taking!
Tough crowd even. 😁👍🏻
Right.... I'd love to have Mike as my pastor.
“... Jesus, you’re not acting like Jesus; Jesus ...” 🤔😅😂🤣😂😅😉🖖That’s a good one 🙏😎🖖
Amen about the arguing or debating theology without regard to personal need and brokenness before God. Perfect theology doesn’t save you...Jesus saves.
Mike, I love the way you honestly tease out a passage. You are so gifted in being able to see and communicate Jesus in such a relatable way.
“Lord, I believe! Help my unbelief!”
Thank you for speaking to this. It was encouraging.
And I’ve never heard intellectual doubt separated from psychological doubt. Makes sense.
“I’m not deserving, I’m just loved.” Bro, amen!!
This was sooooooo good! Lord help us to keep quiet and not gossip let the church stand firmly on your word, which is our foundation. Bless pastor Mike and his congregation in Jesus name!!
One of my favorite verses, and one that I use often in my times of trial. "Help my unbelief!" It's a prayer which is ALWAYS answered.
amen!!! Is it and can you pls share some testimonies from your life about it?? this hits super close to home for me as well...greetings!!
Would love to have teaching like yours in my state. Alas, thou shall not covet your neighbor’s pastor! 😂Thanks for posting online.
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Thank you for this message brother Mike, very much needed for me today. Thank You Jesus for Your Love and Mercy, Lord and Savior worthy of all Praise. 🙌🏻💜🙌🏻
Fasting and prayer, yes amen. Great passage, ty. And God bless you.🙌👑❤
If they act without prayer they are relying on there own strength but prayer is reaching for God's power to work.
I give thanks for your period of doubt, it catapulted you to find answers that are now a blessing to many of us.
Love your exposition of the Word. I'm addicted to your vids! Thank you brother.
46:58 This discussion about “prayer” or “prayer and fasting” was brought up in the book: The Case For Christ. In the book, one of the scholars stated that around the year 300AD there was a big push toward monasticism. (Which was identified as people becoming Monks…monk, monasticism). From which, fasting was highly valued. The book stated that before 300 AD there are no manuscripts with “prayer and fasting,” and that the fasting part was added in during this time.
It’s also a great evidence toward knowing that the scriptures have not changed much over time, as we can see what changes have been made based on the dates of the manuscripts. In fact, only 1% of the changes that have been made and copied over time change the meaning of the text, and 0% of these change any core components of Christianity. My source is again: The Case For Christ by Lee Strobel.
Wow, love your insight about the resurrection! Thank you!
True as you said: we're so used to biblical text that we read right through things. That certainly applies to me and I so appreciate how you slow down, look at every detail and thoughtfully comment. I'm learning from you to do the same. And I often now find myself asking questions like you do. You're such a good example to the Body. ❤️
Thank you so much Pastor Mike! I'm experiencing psychological doubt and it's been really scaring me bad. Thank you for explaining this passage, and I have faith that God will get me past this doubt! God bless you!
William WALLIS! Thank you! And I'll pray for you too!
I truly loved this teaching! It really hit me and I so appreciated that!
I needed this. Thanks be to God for this message and for using Mike for God's glory. I like the fact that one should always have God's will in mind above our own when we pray for others and one's self. Jesus gave such an example in the "Our Father" prayer as well. Should always approach Jesus (The King of Kings) humbly in our prayers.
We know God’s patience is still holding on because we are still here on earth and not turned into oblivion. So for that I’m thankful. I love God my Creator with all my being.
Such a great sermon. Thanks Mr. Mike Winger !
Love your teachings mike!
Thank you Mike for another wonderful teaching. What a blessing your teachings are!
"I don't think you're being like Jesus, Jesus."
Pretty convicting. I hate how people try to mold Him into who they want Him to be instead of who He is - who we need Him to be... Then I remember I do it too.
How much longer will we be - no, will I be a faithless and perverse generation. Maranatha. Come quickly, Lord.
So so good! Thank you
Thank you for another great teaching!
So good. Going through a long trial myself and this message sure encouraged me. God bless you brother 🙏
Amen. Thank you for insight
Jesus is getting tense about the lack of faith of his disciples. "How long do you think I'm gonna be around, and who do you think is going to be responsible for doing this when I'm gone.""
Thank you, Mike.
Father God, thank You so much for your unending love and patience with me/us.
We don’t deserve You.
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I wavered in my belief recently and I was brought back by a couple amazing things that can only be explained by the God of the Bible. The Bible codes in Isaiah 53 and the Shroud of Turin. I consider both of these phenomena to be miracles pf God and I don’t care what anyone else has to say about it.
I had questions that I couldn't ask people because they most likely wouldn't have thought of them and I would just mess their head up too. The Lord showed me that pretending Scriptures don't say what they clearly do wasn't the answer and He brought me to the place where I could say "I don't understand but I'll trust you anyway and maybe one day You'll show me or maybe not". (Your teaching on Romans 9 didn't answer them!)
Personally, I have been dealing with Psychological doubt. I came from many different church denominations and currently struggle to even understand who God is at a fundamental level. Which, as a Christian is very scary because I don't know how to even address Him properly. Currently, I believe that GOD is Triune upon evaluating various resources earnestly. Yet, a terrible fear subsides within me and for the sake of the church that this view of God may be wrong. As a result, the possibility of the church being the embodiment of idolatrous worship scares me beyond belief. The denominations I came from were the Jehovah Witnesses and the Latter Day Saints, I currently attend a "non-denominational" church.
If anyone reads this, is there any advice that you may have?
That fear you feel is understandable, especially given your past. Here’s a few thoughts for you.
1) your prior belief was based on trusting the Watchtower or the LDS organization. Your current belief is arrived at due to reflection on scripture and letting the plain text speak without an organizational authority telling you what it means.
2) There are abundantly clear indications of the deity of Jesus (which these groups tend to focus on) in scripture. The discovery of the Granville-Sharps rule in Greek has made this case even stronger in passages where Jesus is clearly called God.
3) It’s not healthy to be scared of “what if I’m wrong” when you don’t have good reason to think you are wrong and you do have good reason to think you are right.
4) combat these fears by remembering the nature of the organizations that instilled the fears in the first place.
this is amazing, God is amazing
I often have trouble with others’ views that Jesus always healed anyone who asked. What about all the ill people lying at the Bethesda pool waiting for angels to stir the water? Jesus must have walked over and around many of them to reach out and heal only one. I think that means something.
Look at the last verse in John 21:25 - "There are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books that would be written."
Haven't finished the video yet, but if I recall correctly he did heal everyone who asked, but he didn't heal every sick person he saw. His mission wasn't to heal a bunch of people in order to improve their lives, it was to show the character and power of God for generations to come. He only had 3 years for his ministry, God was (as always) strategic with timing.
I have always wondered why Jesus did that at the Pool of Bethesda. Maybe there is some deep, spiritual reason that I am not aware of.......
@@caroleimani9754 I do believe that anything Jesus did was what His Father asked of Him and to glorify His Father. Even Paul’s “thorn” in his side remained unhealed and a couple other incidents occurred where all who wanted healing were not granted that healing. And if you think about it, you could theoretically say that no one gets healed since all of us die in the end.
Thank you, we are reading through Mark for our morning school time and hit 9:29 and we needed guidance lol
Thanks for this balance about certainty in belief! This helps me
Help my unbelief, wow! Thank you lord and thank you mikey
I love this sermon (or whatever u refer to this as.) I feel that I have a stronger faith than I did yesterday...everyday. This is a really good one for my husband to watch as he struggles with questions like "how do you know?" and "out of all religions, why this one?" I never kniw what to say except I just know because I feel it deep down...
Thanks for this Mike, I will share it!
Sandwich? Oh that had the depth and richness of layers like a tiramisu! Yes, I may be fleshy
Thanks Mike
Thanks so much for the emphasis on the Christian discipline of prayer.
Thank you.
Irrational unbelief is the best counter to start with: if someone has this, their problem is a failure of logic and reason in their mind.
and what to do with it, how to proceed? Also, - can you pls provide a small example for this? Thanks
I like your "ending music 🎶."
The point you made of not having to prove everything to be able to believe in Jesus really convicted my heart. I don’t want my own lack of physics degree to be my lame excuse for FAILING to share the gospel to someone who believes in the THEORY of evolution. I would love to see more encouragement for evangelism throughout the body of Christ. It’s probably my own pride that stands in the way because it’s difficult for me to not know something entirely and with certainty.
I know someone who suffers from epilepsy and an elder in the church used this passage to claim that the affliction is actually a demonic possession and not epilepsy per se.
Epilepsy "looks like" demon possession. When I was in Junior High School, way out in the country in the 1960's there was a boy in our class who would have "Grand Mal" (Spelling?) seizures. He would fall on the floor and start thrashing around, kicking his shoes on the hardwood floors. We were told to stand up and walk out of the room. The other kids told me that was their "monthly John Doe Practice Drill." I guess before I got there, this happened quite often. Eventually they had a Special Education School, but it took them a few years to build it..As I look back, I wonder if this was demonic, a chemical imbalance, or both. Nobody seemed scared. They were used to it.
FABULOUS JOB
Awesome connection to Jesus’ sacrifice
What are your thoughts about when Jesus says that unclean spirits avoid waterless places in Matthew 12:43?
Since the boy had a dumb spirit and tried drowning him in water. Maybe i want it to be physiological since were dealing with a boy here. This hurts my heart, and have wrestled with this passage for a time.
People tell you that we must have an answer for everything. But it doesn't say that. It says to have an answer for the "hope that is within you".
God bless you for your talks. I’m new to the bible I started reading it 12weeks ago when the uk lock down started. I could listen to you talk about the bible all day long, you make it come alive. Thank you 🙏🏻
Satan loves to spoil the "innocence" of childhood. When my kiddos were little I took precautions to let them be little kids. It was hard to keep them from "adult" movies, video games, activities.
Seeing people delivered from possession is so beautiful. I've been a part of 2 deliverances (exorcisms) and honestly in the end they were great experiences.
I was laughing, Mike, I was.
The man asked, help my unbelief! My guess is the unbelief completely melted away once Jesus grabbed the boy by the hand.
Mike you were right, I did laugh out loud when you called yourself a 9/10 and everyone else was a 6!
I saw a video recently in which was described that the rabbinical method of the time, to cast out demons required that the demon first be forced to identify itself by name. With a mute child, the usual method would not work, since the demon would speak through the voice of the victim, to identify itself. Because Jesus was able to cast out the demon, he proved he was the messiah.
The Spirit world is real very real brothers and sisters demons are real and these beings hate humanity but in Jesus name we have victory.
I enjoy Pastor Mike's lessons and he has turned me into a real bible thinker. Although I am a new believer, Mike has taught me a great deal. Which is why I ask this question if the new testament hasn't been changed how can there be words in it that hadn't been counted yet in the first century. The word epilepsy was coined in 1873. It's didn't exist when the bible was written. I'd also like to know in case a non believers tried to use this against me if I try to witness to them. Thanks !
For Faith, it is not the faith that is doing but the God whom the person is believing and trusting.
3:24 wow i use to think that to, that’s why I was so afraid to even ask
Mark 9: 29 And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing but prayer and FASTING. By eliminating this one word a crucial part of the equation is left out. Thus causing people to be ill-equipped to give and receive full deliverance. Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of Knowledge.
If the disciples couldn’t cast the demons out with prayer, and Jesus once said the reason his disciples do not fast because the bridegroom is with them, it would make complete sense that Jesus said “prayer and fasting” in this particular story.
Mike you're literally my best friend
it's common for liars to go down a rabbit hole of details, too, to treat the details as more important than the main points.
I always wondered why at certain times in the Gospel when people seek the Lord's help He seems to rebuke them and get angry with them. Was that part of the human nature G-d gave Him?
This one comes out by prayer and FASTING.....
As mentioned in the other comments, Mike used a Bible translation that omitted the "and fasting" part of "prayer and fasting". Other translations have fasting included. Given the flow of the story, prayer and fasting is the more likely rendering. Another point of contention about this passage, the Cessationist would say that the miracles have ceased after Jesus and the Apostles, but in this passage, the disciples couldn't cast the demon out when Jesus was away. The miracles were not happening while Jesus was still walking the earth. When Jesus came back, He was noticeably irritated there was not the faith necessary to cast the demon out. This is a good indication that this is the same reaction Jesus would have with the one who believes in Cessationism, that you are not only faithless, but perverse in the way you twist the teachings of Jesus. Miracles in the minds of many have ceased not because miracles are no longer possible for the time we're in, but because of the way you believe. Mark 6:5-6.
I was doing a reading of the gospels around Christmas and “ help my unbelief” hit me. Like you said , probably read it before but it was the right season to relate to it. I shared the verse with friends and it was the most commented, liked, loved verse I ever posted. It’s like when someone asks the question everyone in the class wants to ask but dares not.
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A serious question: Doesn't the phrase "from childhood" indicate that the boy is no longer "in" childhood? Because it says this had been happening for a long time. So perhaps he is a teen or even a young adult, with a trouble that started in childhood, and continues past it.
If God coming down and becoming human was a means of God making himself relatable to us humans...
( not that that’s the only reason)
Then the only thing we could never relate with him on is being a sinner...... he will never know what it’s like to be a sinner with a God above him that disapprove of his sin, he also will never feel the shame that we feel when realizing that we’ve sinned against God
No!
He bore our sin in his own body and put them to death, bearing the wrath of almighty and holy God. As the perfect sacrifice for sin, he was rejected (he who knew no sin was made sin) unto his own death. Jesus knows above all others what it is like to face the disapproval of God for sin, and that sin was not even his own!
@@OneWingedShark yes and some time after writing this post i also Realized that fact as well….
Ill even take it a step further…
Ok so , it could be said that to be a SINNER means to be in proper relation to Gods punishment for that sin…..
Well…
All of Gods punishment for sin was poured out on Jesus, thus, he is THE ONLY ONE who KNOWS what its like ….
To be a sinner & suffer accordingly.
Get it?
My 9 year old granddaughter says the devil is in her head 😢
I thought the last scripture said ....”come out with prayer and fasting.)
It does in the King James.
It does but not NIV at least with this gospel, that bothered me also!
YES, YOU ARE RIGHT! HE TEACHES FROM A CORRUPT BIBLE....TRANSLATED FROM THE WESTCOTT AND HORT PUBLISHED IN 1881 COMMISSIONED BY THE VATICAN...WHICH OMITS OVER 200 WORDS IN THE GOSPELS ALONE! THE KJV WAS TRANSLATED FROM THE TEXTUS RECEPTUS ...A GREEK TEXT TEXT ESTABLISHED BY ERASMUS IN THE 16TH CENTURY.
russell estes The Textus Receptus was far from perfect. There are many more ancient manuscripts available today for comparison than there were in the 16th century.
Forget who I heard this from, but he was an expert in the biblical manuscripts, he said this is one where it is hard to say either way if fasting should be there or not. This is the opinion of the field.
In the King James it says in verse 29 "... but by prayer AND FASTING. Why was the fasting removed from the translation you read?
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I think it is important to note that in the Bible you are reading currently for this particular segment misses an important element in Mark 9:29. Jesus said " This kind come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting. Which to me signals that prayer alone does not always cast out all kinds of demons some require the little extra push that fasting combined with prayer offers.
That word, fasting, was not in the original manuscripts, at least the oldest ones. It was likely added by a scribe. So we don't need to teach doctrine on fasting to cast out demons.
I'm a loyal follower if Pastor Mike and gave learned almost everything I know about the bible from him. But let's be accurate. The word epilepsy wasn't coined until 1873. I'm very curious how the word epileptic is in the bible if it hadn't been coined yet in the first century? I'm not bashing him. I really want to know
Currently watching, this is some late time man, what time is it over there Mike?
48:00 Daniel Wallace has a few funny notes on this. He jokes that if you know you're going to do an exorcism, you should skip lunch to be safe. Great teaching Mike!!!
Prayer and fasting? My Bible adds fasting brother.
It's thought by many conservative textual critics that fasting was added later and not part of the original manuscript.
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You Ment ONLY BY FASTING AND. PRAYER
Hi, mark 9:29 says "prayer and fasting" there's a big difference
the older manuscripts copy did not have the word fasting, the word is probably added on later by others
Some Bible versions leave out an extremely important part of Mark 9:29... Jesus full statement was "this kind can come forth by nothing, but prayer AND FASTING." Fasting is key in spiritual warfare. Jesus referenced fasting many times. Also, why should we think people harming themselves is ever on their own and not always because of evil spirits? We know God doesn't make mistakes. To me, if we believe some people solely desire to hurt themselves without an evil spirit upon them (not necessarily in them) then that means God made a flaw in us.
I felt the reason Paul could not heal his friend and had to leave him sick was because healing power was over with, and done at that time...
How did Jesus help the mans unbelief? By healing the boy
Jesus said if you believe and doubt not your prayers will be answered
Who in this story had faith and doubted not?
Only Jesus
When Jesus was on earth was His power limited by the doubt of other people?
Did the unbelief of the disciples stop Jesus from calming the sea?
Are we supposed to be like Jesus or the man with unbelief?
Maybe in other instances just reading scripture was enough to dispel the demons, but when it didn't work this time it didn't occur to them to call upon Jesus/God for help because they didn't see him present, but he didn't need to be present in body to accomplish anything and they should have had the faith to know that. Just speculating.
If the demon can only be driven out by prayer, why was Jesus able to command it out w/o prayer seemingly?
Because of who he is.
does this mean this boy was not the only innocent child this could happen to me he doesn't seem to be at the age of accounibilety so we as believers need to be aware this could happen today to innocent children and be prepared for demons in other children im confused why God allowed this seems to conflict with Gods words about suffing the children to come for such is the kingdom of God we need to fight this sort of thing in children that's hard will take a lot of Faith
Can it be that Jesus let the exorcism reflect the shaky faith of the father?
I was married to an atheist but was saved 20 years ago, while I was married my spiritual growth was stunted, we divorced two years ago and I am also almost two years self-harm free. Does that mean I was saved and during that time that I thought my spiritual growth was stunted I had actually lost my salvation for a time?
If your child was married to the wrong person and estranged would you stop loving them and cut them out of your will?
Altmaster point made. Thank you. 😊
How are you today with walking with and obeying God?
Sheriee Finch pretty good. I found a church that has a class that teaches the basics and since my divorce I have grown a lot.
Question???? Do you think Jesus was frustrated with the disciples too or just the scribes and the crowd?
Ok Mike answers it @ 47min into it
satan is playing his games with me now and the internet
Immediately after God's despatching Moses and Elijah to lastly impending miraculous, Jesus's utmost humbled like he always was before God's will declaring no other way than Prayer's meeting Our needs at times of crisis by Faith's alone if how much Devil's entangled World's still to be freed?! Take away is you think not there's a Scientific way atheist can seek God's but Spiritual one's seek after Holiest of names nearby out of harm's way...
Any parent gets it. I love you, but wow. 🤣🤣
46:34, "I don't know why else this story would be here. Why is this a random exorcism in the middle of Mark 9?"
Um, because Mark was recording history and that's what happened after Jesus returned with Peter, James. and John from the mount of transfiguration. Mike, I think you're stretching the text to force some novel interpretation to get CZcams Views. If the boy is a parallel to Jesus then what does the father's lack of faith say about God the Father? If the boy had meant to be a parallel to Jesus and the crucifixion, Mark would have inserted some parenthetical statement to imply that, but none of that is there, and thus, to say such a thing is wholly eisegesis.
GWCinstitute it’s ok to eat the meat and throw the bones out! Non are perfect, this sermon was edifying in more ways than you think. Maybe not for you , but to many.
ridethelapras Mark is not nuanced. Mark was the first to be written and therefore not as concerned about "structure." He was concerned with just getting the facts set down, and therefore, Mark is far more brief than the other gospels. The ordering of events in Mark is far more likely to be the particular order of events than Matthew's gospel, as Matthew being a tax collector knew shorthand and could set much more down from the notes he would have taken during Jesus's ministry. Nuance can be argued for the other gospels but not Mark. Mark was brief and to the point, setting down the facts quickly.
ridethelapras Continued... Furthermore, You said, "Who are we to presume what they would have said under any circumstances?" Exactly. That is my whole point! Mike Winger is literally putting words in the mouth of Mark, adding to text in this video. My point is, Mark doesn't say one way or the other, and that it is wholly eisegesis to say what Mike Winger is saying.