We Desperately Need to Hear What Jesus Said in Mark 10: The Mark Series pt 34 (10:1-12)
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- People in Jesus' time had a bad attitude about marriage, just like today. They seemed to think it was a person's right to divorce whenever they decided they wanted to, just like today. But Jesus corrected this by pointing them toward the nature of marriage and showing that marriage it a holy and wonderful union that God Himself has created. Jesus takes away their excuses and calls them to get back to the heart of marriage rather than seeking excuses to divorce. It was a message people desperately needed to hear at the time, just like today.
Here's my big video on divorce and remarriage and everything the Bible says about it. • Divorce and Remarriage...
Here's the entire Mark playlist where we are working through the whole book of Mark verse by verse. • The Gospel of Mark Ser...
Amen. I’m standing (4 years now) on God to fully restore my marriage. He’s come and gone and he’s currently gone again. Please pray for my marriage and our family.
Patricia Wells praying for you and your husband. I am in a similar situation. 22 years, I’ve been saved for 15 of it, he’s been in and out in that 15, gone again, but standing in faith that he will be saved and return home.
Praying for warmth, comfort, and peace for you, and that you'll feel God's presence
I am praying for you, you show so much faith and patience. God gave me few verses to stand on in my marriage and I pray that our faith and trust in Jesus never fizzles out, but gets stronger. But it sure helps to have someone who understands us praying for us. Standing on 1 Peter 5: 6,7
Amen! The scriptures are very clear that God joins a man and a woman together as one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, and man, divorce, or remarriage cannot separate them until death. Prayers for restoration.
The enemy hates families and attacks us all the time! I pray for all the families. The family is a headship relationship just like the relationship between the church and Jesus! Jesus loved her so much he was willing to lay down his life for her. Husbands are to love their wives in this manner and wives are to respect their husbands ❤️
"The nature of marriage is God's design and God's action, it's more than a mere contract that you have a right to break whenever you want."
To many believe that constant happiness is the right and goal and the marker of a “good” marriage. My wife a believer still thinks this from time to time. We cannot humanly achieve this. We cannot even come within a 100 miles of that expectation with out Christ in the center. We have bought the worlds lie that unless your spouse makes you happy and fulfills your desires and expectations fully they have failed you.
@@AS-bs8xv you're right. I've fallen down a few times because of this but never did I ask for a divorce. I want this marriage of mine to never be lost (this is my first marriage) but with God on my side, He will restore me and the marriage over and over again.
Thanks Mike for restarting the Mark series enjoy all your content but there’s something extra special about doing a verse-by-verse bible study thank you for your thorough teaching looking forward to this x
So glad the series of Mark’s gospel is back! You are really a blessing to the body of Christ as a teacher, Mike. Stay faithful to our Lord Jesus Christ till the end.🌱
I miss this series. I miss Mark sandwiches.
My husband asked me for a sandwich; I texted him the link to the Mark series.
Make mine with extra righteousness! Matt 5:6
Mike... youre just a good dude. God bless you bro, i love your humility, gentleness and fruits of the Spirit. I pray the Lord continues to move in you and grow you in every area of your walk!
Thank you for speaking out the Bible truth, even when it's hard!
sometimes I think pastors and the like are over educated. I remeber a few years ago, reading some of the old laws, and came across that phrase, like Mike just read from Deuteronomy 'it shall be an inheritance to you.' one day it just clicked. You only inherit something when the one who owns it dies. Even there in the OT, the death of God, in the form of Jesus was prophesied. I brought this up to one of my pastors, and he just kinda nodded and went ya, so he already knew about it, yet I have never heard anyone preach on that idea or even reference it.
Edit: Also about the sanctity of marriage, and we should not be divorced, let us follow Gods example, He often uses marriage terminology and comparisons between Himself and us, by this point He would have had every right to divorce us, but in love He always stays with us.
That's because God made an everlasting covenant between Himself and Abraham to NEVER leave Israel. God's faithfulness to keeping His promises is beyond human comprehension. And one day every knee will bow because of it. That is why Hosea married Gomer - a prostitute, to show that love is not dependent on rules and regulations but upon how much someone is willing to bear with another's flaws. If we divorce someone over small, yet justifiable things then that just shows us how small our love is.
Hip hip hooray, for Mark return day
Loving the Mark series, thank you.
Thanks for resuming this series!
Great teaching! Very in depth. I sure need perspective. Marriage is lonely sometimes. If anyone wants to they could pray for mine? I've got to keep hoping it will get better.
Glad this is back! Thank you Mike for always providing such amazing videos and helping us understand the Word of God. You have blessed me with your channel in a multitude of ways. Even though I ain't married yet, this is great wisdom! God bless you and your family
Thank yiou for comeing back, this is the only time I get with god whenyou post a video and been missing him since you havent been posting videos. thank you good sir.
Thank you pastor Mike your channel and teaching had been a huge impact in my life. Thank you for sharing the gospel all over the world🌼
Its just amazing, as i listen to you speak, the Holy Spirit presses to my heart, See... How I dwell and overflow in all who believe.
mike thank you so much for this teaching ive been in prayer about what you talk about in this video and have felt so lost about this subject but God has truly answered my prayers through your teaching God bless you thanks again.
So grateful that you care so much about marriage. I've watched all your teachings. Your church is blessed to have a pastor who wants to be sure they know how to do marriage right. Thank you for sharing all these videos with the world. They're starving and thirsting to literal death for truth on marriage. Praying that God will bless you for your efforts.
Thanks Mike for continuing the Mark series, the sandwich device is really helpful and has shed light on texts I never understood before or that just seemed out of place! The verse by verse expositions you share are such a blessing, our home-group in Sweden have been blessed as we have studied Mark together. And on Romans, too. God bless you.
I love this verse by verse study.
Context ALWAYS matters. Very much appreciate the extra work adding it.
Spouse: You complete me.
Spouse: What I meant to say is, you hack off big parts of me. 😲😆
Of course I would find this hilarious. I am the woman at the well. I can identify. Funny hearing the joke. Heartbreaking how little I understood about God and how grossly lacking my upbringing was in regards to honor and respect and sacrifice in relationships. 💔 I’m so sorry, Jesus.
Good message! Great to see you back in the pulpit too! Great job to the video and production crew, too!
So Blessed You are back in Mark! I awake early to study and spend time with you and Jesus 🙏. Keep Up the Outstanding 👍 teachings. You are in my Prayers 🙏🙏🙏❣️.
I'm 65, retired Telecom guy.
Can not wait to get up and start my day 😁. Well done good and Faithful Servant!
Some day we will meet up on this or that side of the Vail. Please be Encouraged
For you 😘 Bless me 😇😇. Love You ❤️. dana
So glad this is back!
Super helpful as always - thanks Mike!
*AND WE 'RE BACK*
I ‘ve been racking my brain. Who says that?
Such crispy HD, love it
I don’t know why but out of all of the recent marriage videos, I liked hearing this topic explained this way :) happy these verse to verse videos are starting again
Thanks Mike.
My first thought: Wow, expert timing to restart the highly desired Mark series as a crossover sequel with a fresh piece of divorce/remarriage content.
My thought after watching: Wow, excellent timing to keep me from making hasty decisions about my current situation. I'll send you an e-mail, Mike, hopefully soon, as I STILL got unanswered questions after watching all of both "series".
Hey finally!
Thank you.
Mike you do incredible research. That debate proves with like 99.9% certainty that the gospels weren’t only written shortly after Jesus but the actual conversations that are elsewhere documented show these things happened in the first place and are trustworthy. That’s amazing and Jews would probably come to Christ more.
God bless you pastor Mike
even the marriage vow....better, or worse.....in sickness and health.....leaving that relationship, for any reason, breaks that vow....
Woohoo! Can't wait to watch when I get home! 🙌🏼...And now people can start calling you Mark again 😉😅
Mark Winger!
Dakota Frantz 😂
Bro I just watched this for the first time. OMGOSH this is so good what a reveal of what they meant when asking jesus about the debate
Woah he’s back
you have to love this teaching....a sin can, somehow become something Biblical.....so here is the adage...marry, divorce, remarry, repent, repeat....
I think it’s there to teach us the way in which we are to treat our relationship with Christ as His bride as well.
In marriage, God has given us the gift of procreation. This is our opportunity to create a new human to become a new citizen of the Kingdom of God! If two marry in obedience to Christ, the Holy Spirit will equip them with the resources necessary to lead their children to Jesus Christ! So sex is a beautiful thing within Godly marriage, because it's the means by which we create new life for the Kingdom of God. But if two procreate outside of marriage, there is danger of the child not finding Christ and so being condemned for sin. It should be completely clear to us why God takes sex and marraige so seriously!
Philo was born 20 year before Jesus and died about 20 years after Him.
I FIGURE YOU MAY FINISH MARK SOMEWHERE NEAR THE 22ND MELLENIUM … LOL... LOVE YOU BROTHER...
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Hey Mike. Firstly, this is a tough subject so kudos for tacking it. To be transparent, I have not heard the full audio of your hour long presentation on divorce, but let me lay out my understanding:
* Matthew 5, 19 - Jesus give only one reason for Divorce: Porneia. This was correctly translated as "fornication" in the King James. How can a married couple fornicate? This is only possible if the woman has relations during the betrothal period. This is why the disciples think it is better not to marry. Even if your wife commits adultery, you CANNOT divorce her. Matthew was written to a Jewish audience who would understand the betrothal period.
* Luke 16 - Gospel written to gentiles and has no exception for divorce
* Mark 10 - Jesus does not answer the Pharisee's question of divorce. In private, He tells his disciples that there is no exception for Divorce.
Paul in Romans 7 - A married woman is bound by law to her husband and if she remarries while he is still alive, she is called an adulteress.
Paul in 1 Cor 10 - Wife should not leave her husband, but if she leaves, she cannot remarry
Paul in 1 Cor 13 - if an unbeliever leaves, let them leave. The brother or sister is not under bondage. (Does this passage CLEARLY give grounds for divorce?)
As far as the new testament, if someone is going to base their case for divorce based on their "understanding" of the word "under bondage", I think it is a big mistake. How can we ignore all the clear passages that deny divorce as an options, and cling to an unclear passage. Let's keep in mind that divorce was not allowed until the reformers came along. For 1500 years, the Church clearly understood that Jesus has removed divorce as an option.
Thoughts?
By the way, you are doing a great job teaching the body of Christ (even if I disagree with you on some points!!).
Hi Steven. If you listen to Mike's 3hour video on divorce, you will find Mike addresses these questions
Divorce for the beleiver is 100% wrong no matter what the cause.
But yes you are not bound to a lost person so you are welcome to let them depart and thats perfectly fine , live in peace.
What happens if your wife leaves you and divorces you, well you never divorced her, make sure you never remarry a divorced women then.
They must be saved and not an adulterer from their salvation
A women has different laws than a male
Yay! Have missed the series!
Unfortunately, in the current state of our society, adultery (porn, sex workers, massage parlors, etc..) are not rare or uncommon. It's very sad and tragic for so many women and men who are blindsided by their spouse's adultery. The impact the betrayed spouse is enormous and the consequences on the family (children, extended family) is sometimes too much to bear.
Pray for the family unit ❤️
@@framboise595 Jesus said, if you look at a woman with lust you already commited adultery in your heart. And what are you doing if you look porn........?
The divorce and remarriage for adultery doctrine is based solely on the supposed guilt of the wife in Matthew 5:32, and Matthew 19:9. However, the wife in Matthew 5:31-32 is clearly not guilty of fornication because the Jews that Jesus was speaking to were still living under the law, and if fornication was discovered, there was a moral obligation to report the offender according to Deuteronomy 22:13-24. The wife, who would have been found guilty of fornication, was subsequently stoned to death, according to the law, which had still governed the Jews up until Christ's death on the cross. The same for a woman caught in adultery, according to Leviticus 20:10. How could a wife, guilty of fornication, or adultery, under the law of Moses, be given a writing of divorcement and be caused to commit adultery with whosoever marries her, that is divorced? Jesus is clear, in these examples, that the wife is not guilty of fornication, but is still caused to commit adultery if she marries another man now that she is divorced. This is the only way that Matthew 5:31-32, and Matthew 19:9 keep harmony with Romans 7:2-3, and 1 Corinthians 7:39.
Unlike the synoptic gospels of Mark and Luke, which were written to evangelize the Gentiles, Matthew was written to the Jews, and has of 24 characteristics that identify it as intended for the house of Israel.
The ancient Jews called the betrothed (engaged) "husband" and "wife" according to Deuteronomy 22:23-24, Matthew 1:18-25, and Luke 2:5-7.
Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage) was never for fornication or adultery. Allowing those guilty of fornication and adultery to remain living and become a prospect for remarriage was against the law of Moses in Deuteronomy 22:13-24 and Leviticus 20:10, which commanded that those who were found guilty of fornication and adultery be put away from Israel, and stoned to death.
The law of Moses was not given to the world, only to the Jews. From the exodus, to Christ's death on the cross, the law of Moses governed the Jewish people. But when Jesus died on the cross, he caused the Jews to be dead to the law of Moses so they could be joined to Christ under a New Covenant. This is what Jesus's fulfillment of the law of Moses, including Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage), means. Paul gave several warnings to Christian believers against keeping the law of Moses over following Christ and his commands under the New Covenant with Christ. Keeping the whole law is no longer possible for those in Israel and that is why Christ prophesied that the temple would be destroyed. These scriptures make it clear that if you choose the law over Christ, that you must keep the whole law: Romans 7:4, Galatians 3:1-9, Galatians 3:10-29, Galatians 4:1-7, Galatians 4:21-31, and Galatians 5:1-15.
Being unequally yoked to unbelievers is not a cause for divorce, once two become one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, according to 1 Corinthians 7:12-14. Many one-flesh covenant marriages between unbelievers are recognized by God in the scriptures, most notably the marriage covenants between Herodias and King Herod's brother Philip, Potiphar and his wife, Ahab and Jezebel, and Ruth to her deceased husband Mahlon by Boaz when he took her to be his wife.
Some are teaching that 1 Corinthians 7:15 implies that those who are abandoned by the unbeliever, are "no longer bound" in a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The reason this is in conflict is due to the way they word it, which gives it an entirely different meaning, and context. 1 Corinthians 7:15, says, "15But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace." As you can see, the actual scripture says "not under bondage," which means that the husband or wife is not enslaved to sin with the unbelieving spouse, and is free to worship Christ in peace. Subsequent translations have changed the words to imply that they nullify the marriage covenant, when this is not at all the case. The issue that this creates is with 1 Corinthians 7:10-11, which says, "10And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife." As you can see, those who claim 1 Corinthians 7:15 has the Apostle Paul giving permission to remarry do not understand that the abandoned husband in 1 Corinthians 7:11 is expected to also remain unmarried, in order to be reconciled with his wife. The theory that 1 Corinthians 7:15 nullifies two as being one-flesh in marriage puts the Apostle Paul directly at odds with Christ, by implying that he has issued an opposing command.
Some also teach that 1 Corinthians 7:27-28 is referring to both divorced men, and virgin women, and not exclusively to men and women (virgins) who have never been married. This has been falsely taught for some time in churches as referring to anyone who is not currently in a marriage, which, for them, also includes those who are divorced. This is a very false assumption, and puts these verses in a different context, that is at odds with both the teachings of Christ and the apostle Paul. We see Paul refer to virgins, which signifies the unmarried who have never before been wed, which is the proper context here. We see Paul saying clearly that it is good for virgins, which is also speaking to never before wed men here, "that it is good for a man so to be." He goes on to say, "Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife." Who is he referring to here? Men who, like himself, have never married. The word "bound", in these verses, is a clear reference to betrothal (engagement) and not to a one-flesh covenant of marriage. The ancient Jews were considered bound as husband and wife during the betrothal (espousal/engagement) before becoming one-flesh in a covenant of marriage, through consummation. This is affirmed by the context of the term "bound" seen in Numbers 30:14-16.
The Jewish couples in ancient Israel, who were betrothed (engaged) were also bound together until death, either by execution for fornication, or by other causes. Then Paul says, "But and if thou marry, thou has not sinned", which is who? The men who had never married in the congregation at Corinth. So he begins with verses 25-26 speaking exclusively to men that have never married. Paul then says, "and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned", which is speaking directly about virgin women who have never been married, within the congregation, not divorced women. Notice that verse 34 says, "There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband." Paul speaks plainly when he says "there is a difference between a wife and a virgin." Paul goes on to say, "But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry." This is speaking of a virgin who has become of age to bear children when it says, "let them marry." This is a clear command, to a single man, who has taken a virgin to be his wife. Paul then says, "Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well." This is referring again to the single man who decides it is better not to marry, but to stay betrothed (engaged), under the present distress, by saying that he "hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin." Paul then says, "So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better", which again means single men, in the congregation, who have betrothed a wife do well if they marry, and those who choose not to allow their virgin brides do better, under the current climate. For more proper context of the word "bound", let's look further down in this chapter to verse 39, which says, "39The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord" (1 Corinthians 7:39). For so long, these scriptures, between verses 25-38, have been twisted and used to enable divorce and remarriage, by wayward churches and teachers, and have caused many to stumble and to be trapped in unlawful unions.
The use of the woman at the well, in regard to marriage, falsely implies that Christ was endorsing remarriage after a divorce. This teaching is in defiance of Matthew 22:23-28, which shows a woman who had been widowed seven times, and entered into each subsequent marriage without any scriptural conflicts with God's law of marriage (one-flesh covenant) seen in Genesis 2:23-24.
Mark 10:1-12 is the same biblical record of Matthew 19:1-12, which both record Christ's teaching that day beyond the Jordan. There is no mention of the words "fornication", "writing of divorcement", or "divorced" in Mark's Gospel, because Mark was not written to the Jews (as Matthew's Gospel was), but to evangelize the Romans and Greeks, who had no knowledge of the law in Deuteronomy 22 or Deuteronomy 24. All of these facts draw a clear understanding that remarriage after a divorce, under the New Covenant with Christ, is a scripturally false and baseless teaching. Please use wisdom when living in any situation against what the scriptures command.
Anyone can copy and paste now fully explain your post. The author of this video explains the scriptures very well yet you argue with no context, just copy and paste copy and paste.
@@timsadventures1954 what is your interpretation of the following scriptures:
1Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. 5For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter (Romans 7:1-6).
39The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord (1 Corinthians 7:39).
Philo was born twenty years before Jesus, and he died twenty years after the Crucifixion.
Mike, maybe you have already said this somewhere and I missed it. But do you see a typology in the rules for marriage and divorce in Jesus's relationship to the church as His bride. It looks to me like there is some pretty beautiful things in there when you see all of these things in that context.
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Mark 10:10 helps us understand Jesus's "exception clause" in Matthew. Mark 10:10 notes that Jesus then began to speak to just his disciples in private. When he was speaking in public to the Pharisees and others who did not believe in him, he gave an an exception clause. Unbelievers are held to a lower standard than believers. For 2 truly born-again Christians there is no exception given. However, if a professing Christian comes under church discipline for behaving unseemly toward his wife or her husband, refusing to repent or even acknowledge wrongdoing, that church has the right to cast them out and reckon them as an unbeliever (1 Cor. 5). "By their fruits you shall know them" (Matthew 7:16). The innocent party therefore would then be free to leave and remarry under the authority of their church's pronouncement (Matthew 18:18).
The Bible also says: "If the unbeliever depart, let him depart."
@@caroleimani9754 Yes, as I said, when it comes to unbelievers there are exceptions. For two truly born again Christians, there are no exceptions though as I explained.
@@michaelkelleypoetry I don't think you have to stay with someone no matter what. You can't force someone else to love you.
so is the issue, of this passage....Mark 10, an argument against polygamy...
Hey mike this is unrelated but what is your position on the book of Enoch and could you do a video about it?
Hi mike
Is the progression and the order of scripture written: a hermeneutic discipline that is consistent with the consideration of being in context.
The vague ( overall view)side of this is consistent in consideration but when Jesus is teaching in the gospels, lends more towards mainly the subject and who He is speaking to than considering the progression of events.
Seeing the beginning and end from Genesis to Revelation, i plainly see the order and progression. Creation to the fall. Prophecy and lineage to Jesus, to the Messiah is made known, fulfillment of prophecy to the gospel; to the commission of disciples enacted, kingdom discipleship to the return of Jesus.
Yet within the books of the gospels is the order of the teachings of Jesus always a consideration of proper discipline to keep in context.
What??
Paul said remain single or reconcile.....unless this is, or can be construed to be an unbeliever, and wella, you are not under bondage, which means that you are not bound, which means you are free, to remarry.....
Cool Mark sandwiches 😎👏
My ex-wife left me to be with another man. I filed for divorce If I am a sinner because of that then ok I will never take her back. I am trying to forgive her. I doubt I will ever get married again to many bad things happen in Marriage in modern times. I will live like a monk until Jesus calls me home.
I feel the same way. Besides, I have been divorced for over 35 years and my ex-husband is about 78 years old. There has been a guy at Church who has called me, but I don't think I have the energy to go through that again 😅
Also, if you do get remarried, just be real careful. The Apostle Paul said that people who get married will have "trouble in the flesh." KJV I'm not sure what this means, but it doesn't sound too good.......
Which Bible do you use?
in this denomination, as well as practally all others, here is the deal....marry, divorce, remarry, repent, repeat....
Say that to most wimon nowadays and watch there reactions say that they can't hop in and out of relationships tell them that
I think it’s funny how no one has been able to say what Jesus taught is faulty. There’s no error in morality.
Hi Mike, great vid! In your opinion is it okay for Christians to believe in the notion of evolution?
Does Mark's belief have any bearing on yours, is he infallible?
@@carljones8334 just wanna know the opinion of a respected clergy man?
@@amplifiedbible07
A year late but if evolution is true then death happened before Adam's sin.
What is your view today?
Pastor Mike my questions never gets answered but I will keep asking
If Jesus said what God have put together let not man seperate.
Meaning even if you get married by pastor, priest ect its God that joining the two of you. So if man seperate isn't that wrong? Because Jesus said let not man or let no man seperate?
Though I appreciate your extensive teaching on divorce and remarriage, I respectfully disagree with some of what you're saying. The bible says the woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives but if he dies, she is free to remarry only in the Lord. But otherwise that woman should remain unmarried or go back to her husband. The husband is not to divorce his wife. Are you saying Paul is contradicting Christ? The woman who was caught in adultery was forgiven but Jesus told her go and sin no more. Was he making an exception for her wrong? We really don't know all the details with her not the man. Also the woman who had multiple husbands. Was it ok for her to stay with the one was with?
You made a statement that it didn't mean the woman couldn't have a third husband given the fact her first husband was alive and the second was dead. Help me understand this please. Christ through Apostle Paul said seek not to be loose from your wife 1 Corinthians 7. That man or woman who may be having marital problems is given permission for separation not divorce as I understand the scriptures. Fornication is different from adultery. Original context of Tyndale KJV bible said for fornication.
I second Shamaine's effort and request for further clarification.
sharmaine knowles hi there, have you watched his extensive video on the topic? It’s about 3 hours long, you’ll find clarification there :)
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
2 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile.
Forgive and you shall be forgiven. Even so if you are not married seek not to marry, if you be married seek not to be loose for out of the hardness of your hearts it was given onto you yet it was never meant to be so from the beginning. Love holds no records of wrongs, build up your treasure in heaven there will your heart be also. For if you do not forgive neither will your Heavenly Father forgive you. Trust in the LORD for GOD will fight for you. Repent and pray for your husband and remember who ever GOD joins together let no man seperate for two become one and even so we are put on trial, for GOD is the potter and you are the clay. GOD bless you and your family.
@@annaboshier6680 Hi no I haven't just this video. I will take some time to do so. Thank you.
@@sheriffbang8039 valuable compilation, thanks.
oh you figured it out....marriage is not contract, it is a covenant...
I think one point that I feel like you didn't explicitly make is that Paul did say that if you are married to with an unbeliever, don't seek to get out of it because the unbeliever is sanctified by the believing spouse, and who knows that you won't be the one to save your unbelieving spouse?
1 Corinthians 7:12-16
evidently Mark did not know about all the exceptions......from Matthew, and Paul.....
In other words, Jesus was against Toilet Seat Divorce.
23:30 all these prevention of loop hole does not make sense. God is all mighty, right? If God does not want prostitution then there is no prostitution. These sounds a lot more like a lawyer's talking.
People change especially if married young. It makes no sense for 2 people to live miserable lives regardless of religious or not.
Great! I’ll just throw away the Bible and Jesus’ teaching and take ur word for it... I’m sure you are wiser!
@@zac3392 that could be correct. By the way just remember its ok to beat them as long as they don't die. Times change Zac.
This would definitely be the case if the purpose of marriage was the couples happiness. Sadly, you have watched too many romcoms. The purpose of marriage is to represent Jesus' relationship with the church. It wouldn't make sense to destroy that union for something as petty as "changing" or "growing apart". No. I will stick with the scriptual view of marriage. For better or worse. Feel free to pursue whatever non-biblical view of marriage you see fit.
@@calebboak2641 fine with me just remember not to kill your slave. Silly crazy cherry picking.
@Tracy Anne your mentality is what gets people killed by unstable spouses. Get with reality like your buddy.
Doesn't Jesus qualifying all of that by saying only in the event of adultery is divorce legally allowable?
Not sure how the Lord would consider abuse as a reason for divorce 🤔
Watch Mike's 3 hour video on divorce.
Marriage n divorce by Mike winger answers this, just heard it...3 hour beautiful stuff! God bless him for his teaching n being spirit led
Oh, Yeah, just stay with him and let him beat the living daylights out of you. That's what battered women's shelters are for. I know because I have been there. Also, if you let him beat up your kids, you can be arrested for "aiding and abbetting" a child abuser.
This above post is for,: @Lizica D.
@@caroleimani9754 No one is saying stay with the abusive partner. Matter of fact I can see where one can extrapolate abuse out of adultery; which would give one the allowance of divorce.
Knowing what I do of Christ, I believe he would most definitely want the two parties separated.
In Islam, a couple can't remarry, after divorce, unless the woman marries another man, but only after they've divorced and reconciled and divorced and reconciled and divorced and reconciled, THREE TIMES, that's where the I divorce you, I divorce you, I divorce you, comes from, he's divorcing her all three times, at the same time, which he's not supposed to do. (I'm not a Muslim, so I'm no expert on this.)
Mike, if you're saying that Paul intended to give second or third exceptions to the marital vows revealed by Jesus (Jesus only allowed fornication as a legitimate reason for divorce and remarriage) it is a very very presumptuous step to make here. I heard you add other exceptions with no verse to back it up. Even with the expression "under bondage" in 1 Cor. 7:15; the whole subject of vs. 12-16 is mixed marriages. The verse has to do with cases where an unbeliever is not content to stay in a marriage with a believer. Your position seems to assume (1) that " not under bondage" means complete freedom from the marital vows and (2) that remarriage is approved by God for such (no proof has been given that this is the case). And so, if you hold that a Christian who is forsaken because of their faith in Christ has a right to remarry, you are holding to something that cannot be proven positively. It is interesting to note that just like in (v.11) the next verse (v.16), Paul still refers to them as husband and wife. And to apply v.15 to divorces between Christians is to ignore Paul's instructions in v.11.
I fully admit I didn’t build a case for it in detail here. But I did in this video. czcams.com/video/N2pC6ZikbYo/video.html
@@MikeWinger Fair enough, I'll have a good look at it tomorrow and get back to you. I'm living in Ireland, so there's a bit of a time difference. Thanks, Aidan.
@@MikeWinger Mike, I had a good listen, especially where you deal with 1 Cor. 7:15. The word (douloo) "means to make a slave, enslave" and, hence means the loss of one's autonomy. My understanding of this, trying to keep it in context, is that the Christian is not under obligation to continue his marital obligations by running after an unbeliever who doesn't want to be with him.
Notice, "But God has called us to peace." This clause then gives support to Paul's opening statement, "if the unbeliever departs, let him depart." In such cases, God has not obligated the Christian to involve themselves in a relationship which would most likely turn into nothing but hatred and strife as they, perhaps, beg and plead to maintain a marriage which the non-believer doesn't want to keep. Hence, if he does not want to maintain the marriage, let him go.
(v.16)The Christian is not obligated to subject himself to a life of bitterness and strife in the hope that he will one day save his mate - because that is something which he has absolutely no guarantees of.
"Of such cases" means "of this kind or sort, such." What kind of cases are "such cases"? The context would appear to demand he is dealing with cases where a non-believer, for whatever reason, is not content to continue with a Christian in marriage. Obviously, not like (v.11) Paul can't counsel or command an unbeliever to "remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband". It wouldn't even reach deaf ears, never mind fall on them!
Nor does Paul counsel the believing spouse to give a certificate of divorce. I'm working on the basis, "Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus" i.e. by His authority (Col. 3:17). In other words, we must have scriptural authority for what we do and teach. And, silence of scripture is prohibitive, not permissive. But again, like (v.11), you can't ignore the fact that they are still referred to as husband and wife in v.16. Plus, what Jesus taught in the gospels wasn't quite what his Jewish audience was expecting either. Even the disciples found it extreme!
"you hack off large portions of me"....aint that the truth.
29:49...... they did not go into the ark 2×2.
They went in 7x7 of the clean and only 2x2 of the unclean. Still nowhere is Polygyny still called sin in scripture.
What is polygyny?
@@caroleimani9754 Polygyny is a man with multiple wives
Polyandry is a woman with multiple husbands
but, clearly, in Genesis, Jacob had two wives and two concubines, and as early as chapter 4, Lamech takes two wives.
It's not 1 hr long.
Ouch.... compromising the Word of God hurts my ears...🙉
if anyone would like a straight forward Biblical teaching, on this subject, check with David Pawson....he has books and utube videos.....that extensively cover the topic....
what about same sex marriage....well, they made vows, to each other....should they honor them.....does this sin, become a non sin, after a while....
Once again Mike you leave those with questions about living in adultery with unanswered nonbiblical opinions of your own. This happens in churches many times over as one spouse develops a relationship with another spouse in church, ends up divorcing their own wife/husband and runs off to marry their adulterous mate. You have said numerous times since it is a marriage now, that it should not be undone. You are giving permission for couples to live in sin mainly adultery. You cannot bring yourself to say that repentance needs to happen and adulterous couples should not be married to each other. The message of Christ is being watered to the point where sin is permissible in its ongoing state. This is not being a light to the world. This is plan compromise to the affections of the world. God's word tells us to flee sexual immorality not stay in it. Whether your single or married involved in sexual immorality the message is plain as day. FLEE, get out of it, run from it as though your house is on fire (which it is). Please stop misleading so many to be partners of sin.
If you exchange divorce and remarriage for any other sin in any sentence justifying divorce and remarriage, it instantly becomes absurd.
Only if you believe that divorce and remarriage are always a sin under any circumstance. But even killing, which is generally sinful, can be a justified thing in certain circumstances.
Mike Winger even killing in self defense means me deciding between sending someone else to hell versus me letting them send me to heaven.
Jesus said in Luke 16:18 divorce and remarriage “IS” adultery. Paul said in Romans 7:2-3 that this is not a one time act of adultery but perpetual adultery for as long as the first spouse is alive and you remain in that relationship.
You teach that even if the first divorce was unscriptural and the remarriage adulterous, that you should remain in that adultery.
You wouldn’t use this standard for any other sin.
Do you honestly believe you can sanctify adultery and call it holy matrimony?
Why is this the one and only sin that gets sanctified when you repent while all others must be forsaken? Or do you know of other sins that repentance sanctifies?
Mike Winger Jesus condemned the hypocritical judgment of the Pharisees that condemned the sins they didn’t like and justified their own.
How it not hypocritical to say that some sins must be repented and forsaken but others can be sanctified and by repentance and indulged in to the fullest?
Isaac S Romans 7 doesn’t mention divorce at all. There’s no reason to project “if she divorces her husband” into what Paul wrote. The point of his analogy is even stronger given the description of a woman who marries another man while she is already married to her living husband. It has not bearing on the issue of divorce because it’s an analogy that doesn’t involve divorce.
I have my long teaching video where I give reasons for my views on these things and I’ll have to reference you to that because I am not able to go back and forth in comments very much. I know you’ve seen that video because we’ve interacted there a bit as well but I will say that when I hear you summarizing my views it is often a weakened version of my views and not my actual views which I’ve laid out in detail in that video
Mike Winger, I’m sorry for taking so much of your time, but your long form video only said Romans 7 had nothing to do with divorce and remarriage even though it specifically mentions it. You didn’t address it, you just dismissed it.
It doesn’t use the word “divorce” but you have to be straining to say it’s not speaking of it.
It clearly and unequivocally says that marriage is a bond until death, not until divorce. And it follows that by saying if you remarry while your first spouse is alive, you wear the label of adulterer for as long as the first spouse is alive.
You completely dismissed it as only dealing with salvation and not remarriage. But that’s like saying Peter’s vision of unclean animals had nothing to do with our freedom from keeping kosher and strictly applies to company with gentiles. By invalidating the foundation of the point, you destroy the bigger point also.
The fact that Paul uses marriage as the foundation for his teaching on salvation in Romans 7 only strengthens the point. By saying there are other exceptions than death for divorce, you destroy his point that only death frees us from the law. That logic destroys Paul’s point that only Jesus’ death frees us from the law. If there was another way, Paul doesn’t address it and God the Father didn’t offer it when Jesus asked that the cup pass from him.
You know the quran has abrogated verses? Imagine the Bible having abrogated sections? That be crazy.
the exception is fornication, not adultery, abuse, of any shape....abandonment....the term is under bondage, not bound...imagine the disciples having heard this....hey if this is the case, with the man, with his woman, what is the big deal....after all the remarriage is just an event, that can be repented of.....this is a very serious false teaching, and I wonder how many loose their salvation, to having fallen for this lie...
Marriage is useless anyway. Just stay single like I've always been!
It may sound very intelligent to keep explaining about the Hillel and Shammai debate, but this this is not the way to understand this subject, that debate existed but it is not even mentioned in any part of the gospels; instead, one key to understand this subject is the conflict between Jesus and the pharisees, and others leaders.
Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but fornicators and adulterers God will judge. Hebreus 13:4 The honor and sanctification of a relationship is not about "no divorce" (this is a catholic idea), instead it is about the bed, about sex, it is about not committing adultery or prostitution (fornication).
The word of Jesus: let man no separeate, so separate is not divorce, two different words, the separation Jesus was talking about was the putting away, putting aside without divorcing.
How is Jesus rejected by the Jews? He was a Jew, teaching the Torah, quoting the prophets, the law ( unlike Paul) and his followers were all Jews. The church he founded was composed of Jews. Again it was Paul that was turning Christianity into a gentile religion, the religion of Rome not Jerusalem. There were different groups of Jews not unlike different groups of Christians. Jesus was aligned with the same group as John the Baptist, the Essenes. So when the bible speaks of The Jews, this is a later attempt to appeal to gentiles. One of the first moves when the Christian church had the power of Rome behind it was to liberate the Holy lands much as Rome had destroyed the temple looted it. Enslaved Jews and pushed Jews out of the area. The Catholic church has been a player in the antisemitism that was everywhere in Europe.
Minute 40:00 and 42:00 you give 3 reasons for a justified divorce: adultery, extreme abuse and abandon; where is the Biblical base for extreme abuse being a justified reason for divorce??? I we don't need any reason for divorce but you claim that we do need reason for divorce so where scripture says about it?
@Splat the roadkill Cat I'm just showing the incoherence of these legalistic doctrines about divorce, because they claim to base their rules on the Bible, claim that their prohibitions and permission concerning divorcing are base on scripture, but I just showing their incoherence. So, you're saying common sense, okay. But we can't impose our common sense over other, everybody is free to follow their own consciousness, Rom 14:22. Common sense is morality which comes from majority, Catholic church preached morality over millennium, but the Bible doesn't stick with morality, Jesus broke many moral principles, but never broke the scripture teachings which are organics. So, we should, 1 obey the clear stated principles of the scripture, 2 obey our own consciousness.
@Splat the roadkill Cat Thanks for your reply to my comment!
I understand the Divorce teaching but doesn't the fact that we now live under Grace, God forgives your sin of divorce? I'm not talking about those folks who are "Serial Divorcers" I'm just asking if you are now in a Long Committed second marriage, doesn't Jesus say if you confess your sins (i.e., First divorce) he will Forgive? Divorce, in the Age of Grace does not mean you loose your Salvation. Your thoughts.
@@jeanetteberg9955 This happens in churches many times over as one spouse develops a relationship with another spouse in church, ends up divorcing their own wife/husband and runs off to marry their adulterous mate. Mike has said numerous times since it is a marriage now, that it should not be undone. Mike giving permission for couples to live in sin mainly adultery. Mike cannot bring himself to say that repentance needs to happen and adulterous couples should not be married to each other. The message of Christ is being watered to the point where sin is permissible in its ongoing state. This is not being a light to the world. This is plan compromise to the affections of the world. God's word tells us to flee sexual immorality not stay in it. Whether your single or married involved in sexual immorality the message is plain as day. FLEE, get out of it, run from it as though your house is on fire (which it is). Mike please stop misleading so many to be partners with sin.
Still missing the point. Romans 5:20-21 moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, Grace did much more abound: That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness into eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
@@heymichaelc Amen
@@heymichaelc yet God specifically talks about not divorcing the second husband/wife and being reunited to first as it is a defilement.
@@Mumoffive2023 Yes under the Mosaic Law, however Jesus sets the record straight in Mat 5 ("it has been said" the Mosaic law, ) ("but I say to you" present day and how God instituted marriage even before the law). If your remarried unbiblically your living in sin. You need to cut off the adulterous marriage and if possible reconcile with your wife/husband of your youth. The only exception to remarriage is a spouse commiting adultery, or the abandonment of a non-believer from the marriage, or death. Sounds like MikeW is making excuses for the adulterous marriages in his church.
You mentioned sanctity of marriage as a Jesus's teaching, right at the beginning of this video, but there is no such expression coming out of the mouth of Jesus ever, neither in the intire scripture, sanctity of marriage is a totally catholic teaching, a catholic idea that you may not even know you have in your head.
flee....this one, and all like him...end of story...
this is becoming tmtc....to many, to count.....the false teachings....over the top....so to speak...
GUYS one thing Before you die You have to know that Bibal Was Islamic holy book and islam Came before prophet Mohammed Islam known when world is created from Adam God sent too many prophets to share islam Because Every time Allah send A prophet that will be denied .some will blieve in him and some not ,Like what happened with Jesus God Gave marry a miracle of Jesus to have a son without a wife When she told villagers, they thought She is wife of Allah ! And when he was in the cross people who denied islam and jesus they put him in the cross to kill him and to never share islam, He did not sacrificed ,and then during his dead god rised him to him just to save him ! And that's what is mentioned in Islamic holy book ! Bibal was islamic book but it got changed many times to be for Christians That's why God sent Mohammed the latest prophet with Quran. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world it is not because it's fake because people find it The real one and truth! And Bibal Written in kind of Story which give it high percentage to be false ! Unlike Quran Which is From god to human Directly! And the way it is written No one on earth until now could form a sentence like one in Quran I'm talking about Official language which is Arabic ... Guys i know most of you will hate me and consider me as a lier Guys Like it or not islam is the truth.
Feels like Jesus is not very effective teacher. He never have a big enough followers. As God, he could not even convince all the Jews to follow him.
People tend to believe what they want to believe. How about you? Do you believe what Jesus taught and said about Himself?
Thousands of people followed Him and listened to what He had to say. This is clear throughout the gospels. The problem was the Jews did not like what He was teaching and would leave because they were offended. If you will read further into context of all these things, then you’ll see that at a point, Jesus started to make His teaching purposely confusing as judgement on the Jews’ unbelief. He wasn’t trying to convince anyone, He simply offered them salvation, whether they took it or not was completely up to them. And it is still the same way today. You should read the gospels more closely, your problems with scripture will most likely be satisfied, and if not then ask questions to people instead of attempting to criticize God, which is a ridiculous prospect.
SJSU PA,: Jesus had a lot of followers. Multitudes followed Him. Read the Bible. He was inside a house and it got so crowded, that nobody could get inside. These guys had to tear up the roof to get in with their friend. Also, so many people wanted hear Jesus speak, on the land, that He had to get in a boat, push off into the 💧 water, and speak from there. What do you think Palm Sunday was about? You really need to get into the Bible and see for yourself......
@@caroleimani9754 You are describing a pop star, not a spiritual leader. If he had God's power, he should easily convince at least half of the Jews to follow him.
Look, Moses is not God, but just a messenger of God. He was able to convince most Jews to follow him. Later, Muhammad was able to convince most Arabs to follow him.
Philo was born about twenty years before Jesus and died about twenty years after the Crucifixion.