History of WWI Primer 077: German 1871 Jägerbüchse and Carbine Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
Additional reading:
German Military Rifles
From the Werder Rifle to the M/71.84 Rifle
Dieter Storz
Original Oberndorf Sporting Rifles
Jon Speed, Walter Schmid, Reiner Herrmann
Mauser Bolt Rifles
Ludwig Olson
The German Rifle
John walter
Serbian Army Weapons of Victory 1914-1918 Vol.1
Branislav Stankovic, John Sheehan
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"I know what you guys really want..."
Othais' collection of flannel shirts, hats, and .32 pistols!
"You want to see Mae shoot it."
O-Oh......
Flannel, duck tape, and a trust knife. That's all you need.
I dream of swimming naked through a sea of .32 self loading pistols
If Ian is Gun Jesus, Othias is Gun Moses.
Does that make Hickok45 a disciple?
Chris Cary He’s John the Baptist, in the wilderness smoking pot.
Forgotten MREs nyet, rifle is fine.
Then who is Mae?
ltflak Gun Aphrodite
"Two guns, one episode" reaction videos coming soon.
Mae: "...as I said before, I prefer it a little more in the rear..."
Great video as always.
God I'm glad My husband doesn't watch these
He'd find this comment be like
"Hey April, hey April, look look, is You!"
5 minutes in: "That's basically it". *spends another 40 minutes*
Great Episode. Thank you for mentioning me in the description. The Hirschfänger 1871 is really one of my favorite bayonets.
Imperial German Bayonets with a channel name like that you’ve got to be a person after my own heart lol you ever want someone to talk Imperial german military kit with I’m around. I have a bit of an obsession
A Hirschfänger was once only allowed for nobles, Forrest officials and professional Hunters.
Ironically, these days the designated marksmen are more likely to have longer barrels.
Holy shit you’re right...
Thank you Michael.
Thank you gun Moses.
Your pronounciation of Jägerbüchse is absolutely ok. Well at least as a German I understand it :P
"I prefer it a little more in the rear" ~ Mae.
I love how Othias managed to pronounces the German Umlaut "Ü" when it is not there in Schutztruppe and ignore it in Büchse. Just switch the two, say Büchse and Schutztruppe and you are 100% correct. :D
For the numbers: Dieter Storz writes, that 12% (without carbines) of the rifle production for prussia and saxony were Jaegerbuechsen. Additionally, Wuerttemberg ordered 10.000. So if you do the math according to his book, they made around 2 Million rifles, 81,2% for prussia and 6,3% for Saxony, so in the end, you'd have around 220.000 Jaegerbuechsen. The number of 1,4 million IG71 btw. is just the number for Prussia. Which is realistic, since at the time of the franco prussian war, Prussia had 1.146.116 Dreyse rifles, 924.173 of them Infantry rifles (80%), 167.769 short rifles (14,64%) and 54.172 cavalry carbines (4,73%). The demand for carbines/short rifles in the german military until WW1 was usually around 15-20%.
Württemberg ordered 10000 Jägerbüchsen for having only one Regiment of Jäger?
I stay up late every Monday for these. You all are the best.
I was just about to go to bed. screw it, sleep is for the weak. I need to keep my priorities straight.
Wow, riding zebras at 11:03? ... I thought zebras were too difficult to break for such duty. Sorry about such a non-gun comment but I was really surprised seeing them.
It could be a zorse
I thought their ankles were too weak for any kind of carrying. soo yeah maybe zorse?
You can train zebras, but it's more time consuming. Carrying capacity is fine.
There were a few countries attempting to domesticate zebras for sub Saharan use since they wouldn't get affected by sleeping sickness, unfortunately no attempts succeeded enough to be used in combat regularly. They're also hard to transport and often kick each other to death (I believe) if not in correct formation which could also have been a reason they weren't common in south-African cavalry.
What's up with the guys faces that are riding them?
Othias Thank you; a excellent well researched presentation (as usual) My compliments to you and your team. WELL DONE!!
One thing that 11mm black powder cartridge has going for it is its a perfect brush gun round. A big round slow moving rounded piece of lead just doesn't get deflected by brush like a high velocity spitzer.
James Brumbeloe Yes and no. Look here: www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-40-deflected-bullets-and-the-box-o-truth/
Turns out, unless you are using a .223, it's 2 inches or less, even in .45-70, and is still minute of man/deer.
Once again:
OUTSTANDING!!!
I love this channel more than most firearm channels. Many are to much about RIGHT NOW. This is about history and engineering. I appreciate the research and the researchers that do said research.
Good work!
Thank you Micheal! Thanks guys for another great episode.
Love the music change with the closer look at the guns. Christ that round packs a PUNCH!
Thanks Michael
Thanks Micheal
outstanding as always
Such a gorgeous piece, the 1871 jagerbüsche and the kropatschek are becomming my favorite bolt actions.
As always great content and great work
Great episode. I gotta tell you guys, I'm not a gun guy. But the history that surrounds all of the firearms is what I repeatedly watch your channel for.
The wood on that rifle is beautiful!
This one was a very good episode :-) Its great that you guys cover also such exotic things!
Always a good feeling when I see that little number one next to my C&Rsenal subscription.
Thank you, Michael!
Thanks Mike!
Thank you Michael
great as always!
Love you guys!
Thanks Michael!!!
Thank you Micheal!!!
Thanks to all at C&R also to Michael (Boy that Jagerbuchse has a gloriously Beautiful tiger stripe along the barrel grip) and Ian & TFM I love all Your channels also , Thanks to All those who assist C&R in their good work ,Birds of a feather flock together as they say , as do Good People , & it all Helps restore My faith in the humanity .
Thank you Micheal!
39:34 Mae, phrasing, please...
lol
Another great vid. Thanks
Can't wait to see more on the Mauser carbines, You have shown the first of the most aesthetically pleasing Mausers, however in a different mode, as compelling as the C96 in it's carbine form but pleasing at the other end of the eye scale.
You guys are great, blah blah, woof woof.... all the usuals.
Keep up the excellent work . I live in Auckland New Zealand and here in New Zealand it is now near impossible to get a firarms licence in order to collect historic firearms , so your show is really the next best thing.
thanks Michael
Liking the machine gun collection in the updates.
Thx Michael
Fun episode guys!
Like the background music you put in the discussion of the guns' background
Thank you michael
Raised hand, going back watching old episodes.
Just got home from a field trip to Boston, not only did I see the blue man group but a new c&rsenal vid double win
I knew I had insomnia for a reason...
Awesome :)
Well said my friend,buying books vorbek right now!
There's a good bio piece over on The Great War about Letow-Vorbeck
Cheers Micheal your rifle is exactly the correct length 👍
I have an Austrian built carbine that someone sporterized at some point. Thanks for helping me figure out which version of the 71 it was!
When you guys are done with WWI, I have some good weapons I'll send you.
I freaking love that carbine!
Less than 80 minutes of excellent information?. Othais, you're slacking. I should go get the whip so you go back to work in earnest ;) ;) ;)
Jokes aside...once again, excellent episode :) :). Can't get enough of this channel, seriously ;).
Does anyone know of the music that play when Mae shoots the Jägerbüchse and Carbine? Been trying to look around for it and can't find it (and it's quite catchy).
Othias, After you guys finish up with the guns of World War 1 could you do a video on Lettow-Vorbeck?
I thought that we were going to see the Gewehr 71/84 but I stil like this rifle that I have never heard form
Oh how I want to buy one of these
WOOOO! yessssss~!!!!
No comment on how beautiful the wood is?!
von Lettow-Vorbeck was a beast
Evan Hitler backed off from him. Hitler asked von Lettow-Vorbeck to be an Ambassador to England, allegedly von Lettow-Vorbeck told him to "go to hell", though there is an eye witness who said that "he was nowhere near as polite as that". Unlike a lot of people who dared tick him off, Hitler seems not to have dared have von Lettow-Vorbeck done away with!
Von Lettow-Vorbeck was a real big dick OG. The hat alone makes that perfectly clear.
31:35 just rewatching. Hi, past Othias
Wait, I'm confused, was the barrel in the last gun smoothbore?
It might be just me...but I think Mae really enjoyed shooting this rifle.
Where do you get the ammo for all these unusual weapons
I AGREE with those wanting the extractor and ejector. It doesn't just look undignified to fiddle with the gun to flop it out. When you look at it that action is like screaming out a red flag that would lead to aggravation, accidents, or malfunctions during a battle. I want to say I should take it easy on the guys who decided not to put those two mechanisms in the devise when it was being developed because metalic cartridges and more modern guns were still in the process of exploration. I am not though. It is a very obvious sign just by looking at it that action of fiddling is going to lead to issues somehow. There were also guns existing out there that already had them by the time the gun was introduced. (hentry lever actions) It feels like either two things happened for them to not include them. 1. The guns that had extractors and ejectors were still not as prevalent and common enough where the developers would remember it might be a good idea to have that feature while designing. Even after remembering they probably just felt like it might not be much a big deal since most other nations did not have it too. (they were still fair). 2. The people just underestimated the inconvenience low enough to be acceptable. None of them had that fore sight or click in their mind, "You know what? That is kind of tricky to flop it out if you do not perform it right or something in happening preventing or handicapping the user to do the regular old flop it out by turning the rifle over to its side routine. Maybe we should make it positive and easier the casings come out of it each time they reload."
Othias, Making accurate ammunition for the 1871 Carbine is notoriously difficult as it seems to vary significantly from the rifle. I’d appreciate hearing about what load you used, particularly the bullet. I really want to shoot mine more as it’s in even nicer condition than the example you had. Thanks.
Announcements MGs are L to R Hotchkiss, Lewis, Chauchat and 08/15 right?
C&Rsenal has caught a wild 1871 Jägerbüchse! Add it to the Gundex? (one day you guys WILL catch 'em all, I believe in you :thumbsup: )
What people need to know about the Askari was that they weren’t just your average native troops. They were PROUD to be Askari as they considered themselves a step above the regular folks. They got disciplined training from their European officers and fought like hell. After the war the survivors were given pensions from the German government as long as they could prove they had served.
The Great War did a good special on Von Lettow-Vorbeck. I'm surprised you didn't mention it.
Since you love big bore black powder an idea for after the Great War series is done: developmental history of the Springfield and harpers ferry muskets, rifled and rifled muskets. Since the first Springfield muskets were patterned on the French Charleville musket, a devolmental history of French muskets should be included. wikipedia doesn’t describe changes in models anywhere near as well as You do
What pistols were used in the Franco Prussian war I've looked and looked and all I can find for pistols are french pinfire revolvers
First thing I do when I buy an old rifle is re-watch the C&R video. You snuck in the K71 at the very end of the video. This one is only missing the nosecap and they cut the front section of stock. Lol... shoulda bid on the loose collection of nosecaps from the same auction i guess :p
If anyone knows... the action screws... the one at the bottom side of the stock in the little escutcheon plate and the one from the top at the back of the action are frozen solid and boogered up. Does anyone have any of these? Are they the same screw as 98s? Does anyone know the thread size and pitch? Before I drill them out I would like to have a plan. Ammo is impossible... so will be a long time before I can make some. Thanks!
Oh hey, it's the jaeger.... jaeger.... uh... jaeger bucks? Jaeger bus? ... the jaeger. Not the fallschirm, the other one. Yeah.
I love old german rifles. I wish I had one of these black powder guns.
Will this Jäger make me black out and vomit everywhere?
you guys should do the Swedish Mausers, and some more Scandinavian firearms
What kind of Maxim gun is that at the end? I want to say an MG08, but the tripod looks different.
I bet if you stay tuned on another episode they will tell you all about it
Daniel Butka that is an MG08. It is just the DWM export model (nothing is different from the MG08 besides the mount).
My Greatgrandfahter used this rifle in ww1(and brought it back home after the war) so i'm here to learn more about it
I am not going to lie. I like the cowboy hats with side brims flipped up.
Wait, didn't the Serbians use a variation of the 1871 before they used the 1899 mauser? Did those guys drag them back up for WWI, and if so, will you be covering it?
some nice wood on that gun for a military rifle although it could just be the magic of the light box
The grunts tell you the rifle weights a lot. :-)
Do a vid on the Lee Navy
Does Mae have an ammo shortage?
Well I never saw that rifle before.
How do you guys get any 11mm Mauser? Stuff’s expensive and hard to reload
It isn't hard to reload, and Lee makes dies that are less than half the cost of some of the more exotic calibers. Biggest expense is brass, but even that isn't particuarly hard to form, or can be purchased quite reasonably.
If you think reloading black powder is hard, there is a video out there of a guy reloading martini henry ammo with a small hammer and a nail.
You pronounce "Jäger" perfect!
Are there any good literary trust worthy works on Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck for suggestions?
There is a book written by him self.
There's a lot of peaking in the latest episodes. It was limitited before, but this one is really obvious. You may want to take a look at this.
Othais just pronounced "Jägerbüchse" almost 100 times better than any other american youtuber/Tv host/museum curator or any english speaking "expert" that I've ever seen. hats tipped for that!
Got any book suggestions for aforementioned German guerrilla warfare master?
3 years late, but African Kaiser is a good book. Very much a celebration of Lettow-Vorbeck, little coverage of the scorched earth stuff.
@@same242 Thanks, just bought it on Amazon off this recommendation!
Probably stupid question which was answered before, but are you gonna cover interwar-ww2 period weapons in future?