History of WWI Primer 077: German 1871 Jägerbüchse and Carbine Documentary

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    Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
    C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
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Komentáře • 249

  • @611_hornet5
    @611_hornet5 Před 6 lety +189

    "I know what you guys really want..."
    Othais' collection of flannel shirts, hats, and .32 pistols!
    "You want to see Mae shoot it."
    O-Oh......

    • @phprofYT
      @phprofYT Před 6 lety +4

      Flannel, duck tape, and a trust knife. That's all you need.

    • @chpet1655
      @chpet1655 Před rokem +3

      I dream of swimming naked through a sea of .32 self loading pistols

  • @gunsbeersmemes
    @gunsbeersmemes Před 6 lety +255

    If Ian is Gun Jesus, Othias is Gun Moses.

    • @chriscary4074
      @chriscary4074 Před 6 lety +25

      Does that make Hickok45 a disciple?

    • @TheSeanoops
      @TheSeanoops Před 6 lety +44

      Chris Cary He’s John the Baptist, in the wilderness smoking pot.

    • @MrS22222
      @MrS22222 Před 6 lety +4

      Forgotten MREs nyet, rifle is fine.

    • @Edax_Royeaux
      @Edax_Royeaux Před 6 lety +3

      Then who is Mae?

    • @TheSeanoops
      @TheSeanoops Před 6 lety +9

      ltflak Gun Aphrodite

  • @brentkeller3826
    @brentkeller3826 Před 6 lety +53

    "Two guns, one episode" reaction videos coming soon.

  • @ficklefingeroffate
    @ficklefingeroffate Před 5 lety +30

    Mae: "...as I said before, I prefer it a little more in the rear..."
    Great video as always.

    • @jidk6565
      @jidk6565 Před rokem

      God I'm glad My husband doesn't watch these
      He'd find this comment be like
      "Hey April, hey April, look look, is You!"

  • @Ivo--
    @Ivo-- Před 6 lety +43

    5 minutes in: "That's basically it". *spends another 40 minutes*

  • @imperialgermanbayonets9244
    @imperialgermanbayonets9244 Před 6 lety +75

    Great Episode. Thank you for mentioning me in the description. The Hirschfänger 1871 is really one of my favorite bayonets.

    • @maximilianvonspee9329
      @maximilianvonspee9329 Před 6 lety +3

      Imperial German Bayonets with a channel name like that you’ve got to be a person after my own heart lol you ever want someone to talk Imperial german military kit with I’m around. I have a bit of an obsession

    • @brittakriep2938
      @brittakriep2938 Před rokem

      A Hirschfänger was once only allowed for nobles, Forrest officials and professional Hunters.

  • @kieranfitz
    @kieranfitz Před 6 lety +61

    Ironically, these days the designated marksmen are more likely to have longer barrels.

  • @Wladislav
    @Wladislav Před 6 lety +17

    Thank you Michael.

  • @TheSeanoops
    @TheSeanoops Před 6 lety +13

    Thank you gun Moses.

  • @desroin
    @desroin Před 6 lety +24

    Your pronounciation of Jägerbüchse is absolutely ok. Well at least as a German I understand it :P

  • @DigitalRX2r
    @DigitalRX2r Před 5 lety +6

    "I prefer it a little more in the rear" ~ Mae.

  • @RayTX1337
    @RayTX1337 Před 2 lety +5

    I love how Othias managed to pronounces the German Umlaut "Ü" when it is not there in Schutztruppe and ignore it in Büchse. Just switch the two, say Büchse and Schutztruppe and you are 100% correct. :D

  • @FantadiRienzo
    @FantadiRienzo Před 6 lety +10

    For the numbers: Dieter Storz writes, that 12% (without carbines) of the rifle production for prussia and saxony were Jaegerbuechsen. Additionally, Wuerttemberg ordered 10.000. So if you do the math according to his book, they made around 2 Million rifles, 81,2% for prussia and 6,3% for Saxony, so in the end, you'd have around 220.000 Jaegerbuechsen. The number of 1,4 million IG71 btw. is just the number for Prussia. Which is realistic, since at the time of the franco prussian war, Prussia had 1.146.116 Dreyse rifles, 924.173 of them Infantry rifles (80%), 167.769 short rifles (14,64%) and 54.172 cavalry carbines (4,73%). The demand for carbines/short rifles in the german military until WW1 was usually around 15-20%.

    • @brittakriep2938
      @brittakriep2938 Před rokem

      Württemberg ordered 10000 Jägerbüchsen for having only one Regiment of Jäger?

  • @alexanderpeacock887
    @alexanderpeacock887 Před 6 lety +15

    I stay up late every Monday for these. You all are the best.

    • @jimvandemoter6961
      @jimvandemoter6961 Před 6 lety +2

      I was just about to go to bed. screw it, sleep is for the weak. I need to keep my priorities straight.

  • @rustlebruxz0013
    @rustlebruxz0013 Před 6 lety +78

    Wow, riding zebras at 11:03? ... I thought zebras were too difficult to break for such duty. Sorry about such a non-gun comment but I was really surprised seeing them.

    • @rhadooxxl
      @rhadooxxl Před 6 lety +11

      It could be a zorse

    • @milamber319
      @milamber319 Před 6 lety +3

      I thought their ankles were too weak for any kind of carrying. soo yeah maybe zorse?

    • @alexandruianu8432
      @alexandruianu8432 Před 6 lety +4

      You can train zebras, but it's more time consuming. Carrying capacity is fine.

    • @joewilson3575
      @joewilson3575 Před 6 lety +2

      There were a few countries attempting to domesticate zebras for sub Saharan use since they wouldn't get affected by sleeping sickness, unfortunately no attempts succeeded enough to be used in combat regularly. They're also hard to transport and often kick each other to death (I believe) if not in correct formation which could also have been a reason they weren't common in south-African cavalry.

    • @vincedibona4687
      @vincedibona4687 Před 6 lety

      What's up with the guys faces that are riding them?

  • @pilgrimm23
    @pilgrimm23 Před 6 lety +12

    Othias Thank you; a excellent well researched presentation (as usual) My compliments to you and your team. WELL DONE!!

  • @jamesbrumbeloe4024
    @jamesbrumbeloe4024 Před 6 lety +9

    One thing that 11mm black powder cartridge has going for it is its a perfect brush gun round. A big round slow moving rounded piece of lead just doesn't get deflected by brush like a high velocity spitzer.

    • @eVVigilance
      @eVVigilance Před 6 lety +1

      James Brumbeloe Yes and no. Look here: www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-40-deflected-bullets-and-the-box-o-truth/
      Turns out, unless you are using a .223, it's 2 inches or less, even in .45-70, and is still minute of man/deer.

  • @woodsmanforlife1677
    @woodsmanforlife1677 Před 6 lety +5

    Once again:
    OUTSTANDING!!!

  • @therugburnz
    @therugburnz Před 2 lety

    I love this channel more than most firearm channels. Many are to much about RIGHT NOW. This is about history and engineering. I appreciate the research and the researchers that do said research.
    Good work!

  • @JReed305
    @JReed305 Před 6 lety

    Thank you Micheal! Thanks guys for another great episode.

  • @GhettoCabbage
    @GhettoCabbage Před 6 lety +1

    Love the music change with the closer look at the guns. Christ that round packs a PUNCH!

  • @ThatGuy-a48
    @ThatGuy-a48 Před 5 lety +1

    Thanks Michael

  • @jsma9999
    @jsma9999 Před 6 lety +3

    Thanks Micheal

  • @gallendugall8913
    @gallendugall8913 Před 6 lety

    outstanding as always

  • @Stormcloakvictory
    @Stormcloakvictory Před 3 lety

    Such a gorgeous piece, the 1871 jagerbüsche and the kropatschek are becomming my favorite bolt actions.

  • @weltvonalex
    @weltvonalex Před 6 lety

    As always great content and great work

  • @dmain6735
    @dmain6735 Před 6 lety

    Great episode. I gotta tell you guys, I'm not a gun guy. But the history that surrounds all of the firearms is what I repeatedly watch your channel for.

  • @oldesertguy9616
    @oldesertguy9616 Před 6 lety +1

    The wood on that rifle is beautiful!

  • @norbertblackrain2379
    @norbertblackrain2379 Před 6 lety

    This one was a very good episode :-) Its great that you guys cover also such exotic things!

  • @cookingonthecheapcheap6921

    Always a good feeling when I see that little number one next to my C&Rsenal subscription.

  • @josephsatricleofevillanuev3194

    Thank you, Michael!

  • @Deadeye-sj3qc
    @Deadeye-sj3qc Před 5 lety

    Thanks Mike!

  • @johna6442
    @johna6442 Před 6 lety

    Thank you Michael

  • @DieselMcBadass1
    @DieselMcBadass1 Před 6 lety

    great as always!

  • @realanticitizen
    @realanticitizen Před 6 lety +3

    Love you guys!

  • @me3333
    @me3333 Před 6 lety

    Thanks Michael!!!

  • @donaldhill3823
    @donaldhill3823 Před 6 lety

    Thank you Micheal!!!

  • @richarddixon7276
    @richarddixon7276 Před 6 lety

    Thanks to all at C&R also to Michael (Boy that Jagerbuchse has a gloriously Beautiful tiger stripe along the barrel grip) and Ian & TFM I love all Your channels also , Thanks to All those who assist C&R in their good work ,Birds of a feather flock together as they say , as do Good People , & it all Helps restore My faith in the humanity .

  • @danielhyson6079
    @danielhyson6079 Před 6 lety

    Thank you Micheal!

  • @rlosable
    @rlosable Před 6 lety +24

    39:34 Mae, phrasing, please...

  • @Robin6512
    @Robin6512 Před 6 lety

    Another great vid. Thanks

  • @ginowongReRed
    @ginowongReRed Před 6 lety

    Can't wait to see more on the Mauser carbines, You have shown the first of the most aesthetically pleasing Mausers, however in a different mode, as compelling as the C96 in it's carbine form but pleasing at the other end of the eye scale.
    You guys are great, blah blah, woof woof.... all the usuals.

  • @David77646
    @David77646 Před 2 lety

    Keep up the excellent work . I live in Auckland New Zealand and here in New Zealand it is now near impossible to get a firarms licence in order to collect historic firearms , so your show is really the next best thing.

  • @jingochesh
    @jingochesh Před 6 lety

    thanks Michael

  • @IndianaJoneFan24
    @IndianaJoneFan24 Před 6 lety +1

    Liking the machine gun collection in the updates.

  • @hockeytownluv2012
    @hockeytownluv2012 Před 6 lety

    Thx Michael

  • @tomalexander4327
    @tomalexander4327 Před 6 lety

    Fun episode guys!

  • @primaltempest9218
    @primaltempest9218 Před 6 lety

    Like the background music you put in the discussion of the guns' background

  • @kylep3440
    @kylep3440 Před 6 lety

    Thank you michael

  • @Pitchlock8251
    @Pitchlock8251 Před 4 lety

    Raised hand, going back watching old episodes.

  • @austindavid7675
    @austindavid7675 Před 6 lety

    Just got home from a field trip to Boston, not only did I see the blue man group but a new c&rsenal vid double win

  • @atlatlista
    @atlatlista Před 6 lety +11

    I knew I had insomnia for a reason...

  • @TheSizzle06
    @TheSizzle06 Před 6 lety +2

    Awesome :)

  • @michaelyoung3175
    @michaelyoung3175 Před 3 lety

    Well said my friend,buying books vorbek right now!

  • @Phillipthe2
    @Phillipthe2 Před 6 lety +2

    There's a good bio piece over on The Great War about Letow-Vorbeck

  • @christopherdrekr1078
    @christopherdrekr1078 Před 2 lety

    Cheers Micheal your rifle is exactly the correct length 👍

  • @3richardrussell
    @3richardrussell Před 3 lety

    I have an Austrian built carbine that someone sporterized at some point. Thanks for helping me figure out which version of the 71 it was!

  • @gunsbeersmemes
    @gunsbeersmemes Před 6 lety +8

    When you guys are done with WWI, I have some good weapons I'll send you.

  • @JoanieKennedy
    @JoanieKennedy Před 4 lety +1

    I freaking love that carbine!

  • @ramjb
    @ramjb Před 6 lety +1

    Less than 80 minutes of excellent information?. Othais, you're slacking. I should go get the whip so you go back to work in earnest ;) ;) ;)
    Jokes aside...once again, excellent episode :) :). Can't get enough of this channel, seriously ;).

  • @LOUDcarBOMB
    @LOUDcarBOMB Před 5 lety

    Does anyone know of the music that play when Mae shoots the Jägerbüchse and Carbine? Been trying to look around for it and can't find it (and it's quite catchy).

  • @MostlyJace
    @MostlyJace Před 6 lety

    Othias, After you guys finish up with the guns of World War 1 could you do a video on Lettow-Vorbeck?

  • @thomasdubbeldeman3864
    @thomasdubbeldeman3864 Před 6 lety

    I thought that we were going to see the Gewehr 71/84 but I stil like this rifle that I have never heard form

  • @DocLeQuack
    @DocLeQuack Před 11 měsíci

    Oh how I want to buy one of these

  • @luchs2907
    @luchs2907 Před 6 lety +1

    WOOOO! yessssss~!!!!

  • @McDylanNuggets
    @McDylanNuggets Před 6 lety

    No comment on how beautiful the wood is?!

  • @ottovonbearsmark8876
    @ottovonbearsmark8876 Před 6 lety +5

    von Lettow-Vorbeck was a beast

    • @jon-paulfilkins7820
      @jon-paulfilkins7820 Před 6 lety +2

      Evan Hitler backed off from him. Hitler asked von Lettow-Vorbeck to be an Ambassador to England, allegedly von Lettow-Vorbeck told him to "go to hell", though there is an eye witness who said that "he was nowhere near as polite as that". Unlike a lot of people who dared tick him off, Hitler seems not to have dared have von Lettow-Vorbeck done away with!

    • @Wolf_Larsen
      @Wolf_Larsen Před 5 lety

      Von Lettow-Vorbeck was a real big dick OG. The hat alone makes that perfectly clear.

  • @ericmckinley7985
    @ericmckinley7985 Před rokem

    31:35 just rewatching. Hi, past Othias

  • @Ozchuck
    @Ozchuck Před 6 lety

    Wait, I'm confused, was the barrel in the last gun smoothbore?

  • @robertneal4244
    @robertneal4244 Před 6 lety

    It might be just me...but I think Mae really enjoyed shooting this rifle.

  • @thomassalois3508
    @thomassalois3508 Před 2 lety

    Where do you get the ammo for all these unusual weapons

  • @sharkfinbite
    @sharkfinbite Před 6 lety

    I AGREE with those wanting the extractor and ejector. It doesn't just look undignified to fiddle with the gun to flop it out. When you look at it that action is like screaming out a red flag that would lead to aggravation, accidents, or malfunctions during a battle. I want to say I should take it easy on the guys who decided not to put those two mechanisms in the devise when it was being developed because metalic cartridges and more modern guns were still in the process of exploration. I am not though. It is a very obvious sign just by looking at it that action of fiddling is going to lead to issues somehow. There were also guns existing out there that already had them by the time the gun was introduced. (hentry lever actions) It feels like either two things happened for them to not include them. 1. The guns that had extractors and ejectors were still not as prevalent and common enough where the developers would remember it might be a good idea to have that feature while designing. Even after remembering they probably just felt like it might not be much a big deal since most other nations did not have it too. (they were still fair). 2. The people just underestimated the inconvenience low enough to be acceptable. None of them had that fore sight or click in their mind, "You know what? That is kind of tricky to flop it out if you do not perform it right or something in happening preventing or handicapping the user to do the regular old flop it out by turning the rifle over to its side routine. Maybe we should make it positive and easier the casings come out of it each time they reload."

  • @tmcgill2219
    @tmcgill2219 Před 3 lety +1

    Othias, Making accurate ammunition for the 1871 Carbine is notoriously difficult as it seems to vary significantly from the rifle. I’d appreciate hearing about what load you used, particularly the bullet. I really want to shoot mine more as it’s in even nicer condition than the example you had. Thanks.

  • @garygenerous8982
    @garygenerous8982 Před 6 lety

    Announcements MGs are L to R Hotchkiss, Lewis, Chauchat and 08/15 right?

  • @pazukitsune260
    @pazukitsune260 Před 6 lety

    C&Rsenal has caught a wild 1871 Jägerbüchse! Add it to the Gundex? (one day you guys WILL catch 'em all, I believe in you :thumbsup: )

  • @chpet1655
    @chpet1655 Před rokem

    What people need to know about the Askari was that they weren’t just your average native troops. They were PROUD to be Askari as they considered themselves a step above the regular folks. They got disciplined training from their European officers and fought like hell. After the war the survivors were given pensions from the German government as long as they could prove they had served.

  • @Ofotherworlds
    @Ofotherworlds Před 6 lety

    The Great War did a good special on Von Lettow-Vorbeck. I'm surprised you didn't mention it.

  • @davidsachs4883
    @davidsachs4883 Před 6 lety +1

    Since you love big bore black powder an idea for after the Great War series is done: developmental history of the Springfield and harpers ferry muskets, rifled and rifled muskets. Since the first Springfield muskets were patterned on the French Charleville musket, a devolmental history of French muskets should be included. wikipedia doesn’t describe changes in models anywhere near as well as You do

  • @zachbrummett9672
    @zachbrummett9672 Před 6 lety

    What pistols were used in the Franco Prussian war I've looked and looked and all I can find for pistols are french pinfire revolvers

  • @someguy2741
    @someguy2741 Před 3 lety

    First thing I do when I buy an old rifle is re-watch the C&R video. You snuck in the K71 at the very end of the video. This one is only missing the nosecap and they cut the front section of stock. Lol... shoulda bid on the loose collection of nosecaps from the same auction i guess :p
    If anyone knows... the action screws... the one at the bottom side of the stock in the little escutcheon plate and the one from the top at the back of the action are frozen solid and boogered up. Does anyone have any of these? Are they the same screw as 98s? Does anyone know the thread size and pitch? Before I drill them out I would like to have a plan. Ammo is impossible... so will be a long time before I can make some. Thanks!

  • @gz7006
    @gz7006 Před 6 lety +7

    Oh hey, it's the jaeger.... jaeger.... uh... jaeger bucks? Jaeger bus? ... the jaeger. Not the fallschirm, the other one. Yeah.

  • @alexc3504
    @alexc3504 Před 6 lety

    I love old german rifles. I wish I had one of these black powder guns.

  • @jacobnugent7788
    @jacobnugent7788 Před 6 lety +7

    Will this Jäger make me black out and vomit everywhere?

  • @elijahaitaok8624
    @elijahaitaok8624 Před 6 lety

    you guys should do the Swedish Mausers, and some more Scandinavian firearms

  • @danielbutka8854
    @danielbutka8854 Před 6 lety +1

    What kind of Maxim gun is that at the end? I want to say an MG08, but the tripod looks different.

    • @jbc98k
      @jbc98k Před 6 lety

      I bet if you stay tuned on another episode they will tell you all about it

    • @jackandersen1262
      @jackandersen1262 Před 5 lety

      Daniel Butka that is an MG08. It is just the DWM export model (nothing is different from the MG08 besides the mount).

  • @ein.mensch9185
    @ein.mensch9185 Před 4 lety

    My Greatgrandfahter used this rifle in ww1(and brought it back home after the war) so i'm here to learn more about it

  • @sharkfinbite
    @sharkfinbite Před 6 lety

    I am not going to lie. I like the cowboy hats with side brims flipped up.

  • @danielhyson6079
    @danielhyson6079 Před 6 lety

    Wait, didn't the Serbians use a variation of the 1871 before they used the 1899 mauser? Did those guys drag them back up for WWI, and if so, will you be covering it?

  • @highlandrab19
    @highlandrab19 Před 6 lety

    some nice wood on that gun for a military rifle although it could just be the magic of the light box

  • @perezmig577
    @perezmig577 Před 6 lety

    The grunts tell you the rifle weights a lot. :-)

  • @matthewadkins7793
    @matthewadkins7793 Před 6 lety

    Do a vid on the Lee Navy

  • @thompsonjerry3412
    @thompsonjerry3412 Před 6 lety +2

    Does Mae have an ammo shortage?

  • @user-kt8yp5ho2y
    @user-kt8yp5ho2y Před 6 lety +1

    Well I never saw that rifle before.

  • @burnsboysaresoldiers
    @burnsboysaresoldiers Před 6 lety

    How do you guys get any 11mm Mauser? Stuff’s expensive and hard to reload

    • @eVVigilance
      @eVVigilance Před 6 lety

      It isn't hard to reload, and Lee makes dies that are less than half the cost of some of the more exotic calibers. Biggest expense is brass, but even that isn't particuarly hard to form, or can be purchased quite reasonably.
      If you think reloading black powder is hard, there is a video out there of a guy reloading martini henry ammo with a small hammer and a nail.

  • @norbertblackrain2379
    @norbertblackrain2379 Před 6 lety +5

    You pronounce "Jäger" perfect!

  • @sharkfinbite
    @sharkfinbite Před 6 lety

    Are there any good literary trust worthy works on Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck for suggestions?

  • @ludovichansen6525
    @ludovichansen6525 Před 6 lety

    There's a lot of peaking in the latest episodes. It was limitited before, but this one is really obvious. You may want to take a look at this.

  • @JosipRadnik1
    @JosipRadnik1 Před 5 lety

    Othais just pronounced "Jägerbüchse" almost 100 times better than any other american youtuber/Tv host/museum curator or any english speaking "expert" that I've ever seen. hats tipped for that!

  • @FiendTheKing
    @FiendTheKing Před 6 lety +2

    Got any book suggestions for aforementioned German guerrilla warfare master?

    • @same242
      @same242 Před 2 lety

      3 years late, but African Kaiser is a good book. Very much a celebration of Lettow-Vorbeck, little coverage of the scorched earth stuff.

    • @FiendTheKing
      @FiendTheKing Před 2 lety

      @@same242 Thanks, just bought it on Amazon off this recommendation!

  • @Ides_0f_March
    @Ides_0f_March Před 6 lety

    Probably stupid question which was answered before, but are you gonna cover interwar-ww2 period weapons in future?