History of WWI Primer 097: Belgian Nagant Revolvers Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
Additional reading:
The Belgian Army in the Great War : Portable Service Weapons
Pierre Lierneux
Les Revolvers et Les Fusils Nagant
Claude Feys and Rene Smeets
Оружие 9-2002. Все о нагане
Монетчиков С.
Оружие Великой войны.
Ручное автоматическое оружие Российской армии
Владимир Глазков
Отечественные револьверы и пистолеты
Монетчиков С.Б.
Safe range space thanks to Triana Protection
Additional photos thanks to Rock Island Auction
Ammunition data thanks to DrakeGmbH
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The good news is the more people hype the 1911, the further back I have to push it to get all the assets in order to match the hype.
AWW CRAP.
I think at this point the episode on the 1911 is more detailed, difficult, and complex than the actual adoption process for it...so my eternal sympathies, Big O
I can wait. It's not like the history of the M1911 is particularly obscure.
Thank God, I'm still waiting for the RSC 1917, i can wait for muh stopping powah 2 world wars
When we they ever learn? When will they...ever learn?
HEY BROTHER IS THAT ONE OF THEM MOSIN REVOLVERS *fudd noises*
YoU knOW yOu CaN SuPrESS ThaT
I used to work in a factory that made pickles. Little did I know that screwing down hundreds of lids onto pickle jars every day was training me to operate historic black powder revolvers.
Hi Othias , I really am compelled to tell you how wonderful I think you and all of your cohorts truly are. I thank you all for such great work you do a service to history , to firearm's , and just about all aspects of them. I truly appreciate all of your hard work. You are all a joy to watch. Bravo really, Thank you.
Othais teasing us with the Mp18 in the background 😤
Well it's fixed, working, and ready to go...
Now for Othias to put off doing an episode on it for 3 years. XD
Seriously though, since it's owned by the show, I wouldn't be surprised if it takes a long time as they work though loaners.
This is what should be on the history channel dang
3:14 I live in Rome and just the other day i saw in the Papal Armory (part of the Castel S.Angelo museum) one of the Papal Rolling Blocks. What a coincidence!
They’re’s something so oddly beautiful in the form revolvers eventually developed.
I have a one ,original from 1914, all hallmarks are matching.Found it in the ceiling of my village house ( also established 1914) during renovation.
Othias, seeing all the comments i think its time to talk about the 1911, i mean look at its history!
1.) Single handedly won both world wars
2.) 1st successful anti tank and anti aircraft pistol
3.) 1st man made object to reach space
4.) Humanity's first wmd (followed closely by 22 ratshot)
It was also the very first, full-semi auto handgun
I love Mae’s tactical change pocket
All I could think of was, "oh my god, she found something that fit in those pockets!"
according to my wife that girl that found something that will fit into her pockets
Apparently not just for your Zippo lighter after all!
It was originally for a pocket watch, if you didn't know. That's how old the design of blue jeans is!
@@ZGryphon cool, I carry my Apple Watch without a strap in that pocket, now that in clean my hands 20 times a day....everything old is new again
I love watching old black powder wheel guns with cylinder gaps. It's like the gun explodes every time it's fired
At first glance, I am quite surprised that the blind test isn’t used more widely for procurement. Upon further investigation, it is not a surprise that this isn’t used more widely.
Awesome stuff guys thank you again for all you do very entertaining
Great video. You have ID'd my latest purchase sold at auction as an unknown military revolver. An 1883 Nagant. Meets all the criteria. Has an issue with the cylinder pin (possible replacement) and has been uncared for for many years! Looks like somebody kept in a tool box!
In addition to the class issue of officers and other ranks the period Belgian Army also generally had Walloon officers and Flemish other ranks (oversimplified grossly) and this further impacted upon the fine quality officer's pistols and basic other rank's revolvers.
To all the C&Rsenal crew. Thank you all for your hard work. I trully love to learn history and how the gun industry, gun designe has impact the world history. Thanks for the animations, how the guns really works. Great chanel, Great work. Once againe Many Thanks to all of you.
this is a brilliant episode, thx for that, made my day...
As soothing as always
Aw yeah, everyone's favorite index finger exercise machine is coming soon™.
Working the trigger causes more recoil than the actual firing of the cartridge.
You say misprint. I say special collector's edition.
Also, does anyone else find the high speed of the double action guns kind of exciting? It's like "Will it? Will it? Will it? *BANG* Yeah!"
When is the reichsrevolver 1883/1883 DA coming!?
Hey thanks for actually giving me a chance this week. Those early morning uploads were tough
Perfect timing for when I really needed a video to watch. Also I love Nagant revolvers, so this is something special.
That looks like a well made clock on the insides... Just beautiful
Guns for the Pope?
What is this, an Inquisition?
No one expects the Inquisition!
Ivan TheMadVandal the Imperial inquisition! We got the gold n everything man!
No one expects the Spanish inquisition!
The pope? Bah! How many revolvers has he got?
The Pope at one time wielded great temporal power.
(comes home from work grumbling sees C&Rsenal)...Yay!!!😀
Thought Mae was going to disappear in that puff of smoke batman style lol I know it's out of the scope of this channel, BUT, have you guys looked up "mini browning .30" video? It looks cool but that's a deadly little gun.
_Man that is a lot of smoke someone should really do something about that_
*wait*
Is it my imagination or is the loading gate designed to block the trigger while reloading?
wohooo - a new video by the C&R'senal crew... - that's always good news ;-)
btw: be careful guys - don't punch the Mae
:o)
Hot Othais Screwing action. This should have been labelled NSFW.
Love watching Mae punch the paper!!
Just ordered my "Misprinted" T shirt! Perfect.
I want see mauser Revolver 😎, THX 🤩👍
Thank you for video! Will be Swedish Nagant 1887?
All that smoke from 6 shots. Hard to imagine how much a formation of muskets would cause, or one of the black powder Maxims.
that looks like the double action at 0:28 and then at 0:42 it looks like a pic of the single action version. Am I wrong? I ask because I was wondering if the double action version could be reloaded more quickly with spare, preloaded cylinders and simply taking the cylinder out, as it was easy to do that on the double action "officer's" version.
I have recently done some work on a 1878. I ground the hammer, trigger and sear springs thinner, they are all heavier than needed. The sear engagement angle also needed to be worked on. As you pull the trigger the you can see the hammer move further back. All these things combined make the single action trigger pull extremely heavy. Considering the very fine workmanship otherwise, I'm surprised they didn't address the trigger pull. Mine is much better now, but the design being what it is you have too many springs working against a truly good trigger pull.
Thanks so much, I am just trying to find a good one 👍👍
Technically, it's screwy television not rivetting
take your point.
Do you have any info on the South American/Argentine .440 Nagant revolvers?
Hello C&R Arsenal, you were very helpfull to me identifying my Carcano long rifle a while ago and thank you so much!!! I Have another intresting piece i found in my grandpas old house... Its a belgian ELG proof revolver but i cant identify the exact brand.. Can you help me? Best regards !
if you still need help let me know
Watching this new is the one benefit to working an overnight
I knew I wasn't alone in this.
How is the spring held in place in the SA one? Just kinda floats
You'd be hard-pressed to find an account of any kind of Belgian in battle. Hence the description, Belgian Waffles (Especially at the hands of Germans). Shout out to Mae for finding a good use for the fifth pocket of my jeans.
Nothing else fits in there!
Is this image in the intro the first example of trigger discipline captured on film?
Regarding the meaning of the 'A' marking on that dissasambly screw, my off-the-wall guess would be that it stands for 'Assamblage' or Assemblee'. Old-fahioned Dutch and French respectively for 'assably'.
Would it be faster loading this thing by just taking the cylinder out?
If you could somehow get a second cylinder, find a way to carry it, and get it into the gun without all the cartridges just falling out of it, it might be.
What program is used to make the animations ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Man i love Tuesday and C&rSENAL have up loaded stuff. Thai P.M.
mp 18 on the wall
Remember when Nagant revolvers were $80...then they dried up and over night were $350?
Still the only thing in my collection I paid under $100 for, even after taxes. And I had enough change for lunch on my way home from the shop.
@@devikwolf I have two guns I paid less than a hundred bucks apiece for, right around 20 years ago. One is an 1895 Nagant, and the other is an M44 Mosin-Nagant, both--by an odd coincidence--made in Izhevsk in 1943. I may be misremembering this, but I think they were each $85, too. Weird.
@@ZGryphon I recently got a Luxembourg Mle-1884 that wasn't shown here in the video for $855! It's in the same caliber,has a longer barrel,DA/SA and without cylinder flutes! And besides it can be fired with the 9×18 Makarov from a moon clip and it's chambering is dimensionally identical to 9×21mm Gyurza ammo!And yes, it is okay with smokeless ammo!
@@ZGryphon the only guns I had ever seen for under $100 were BB guns! Not a single firearm that I ever bought was under 100 bucks and most of them were actually over $500!
@@johnsheppard1476 Single shot break action shotguns, 22 rifles, obscure cartridge small revolvers and pistols, oddball milsurps a decade ago and things like hipoints are all examples of guns one can obtain for between 20 and 90 bucks if lucky buying secondhand.
Where did you get access to that ammo?
I have a serious question. Why did they make barrels hexagonal instead of a actual cylinder? Was this an example of how technological limits of the time, or is it literally a detail people implemented because the design was better suited for certain things than a cylinder? In other words it is a feature suited more suited for a task. Excuse me. It's hard to explain.
Are they a q/a planned
Surprising an unassisted black powder gate loader made the cut. I wish Mae could get another go at the rast and gasser. I bet it would make it now.
I worry about Mae shooting all these antique guns. Are her glasses ANSI speced?
44:00 That is not Luxembourg on the map.
Good eye. I would have missed that.
I love my nagant revolver a 1916 with a 100 percent bluing left
The Nagant gets a yes but the Webley MkV got a no? Sorry, but I still have a problem with the conclusions in the Webley episode. Great information but I disagree with the subjective analysis at times.
The MkV was flawed from the start: the grip was not ergonomically designed. The weapon simply worked rearwards as it was fired, and the muzzle rose. The MkVI was a different matter.
@@peterbaxter2913 The Mk VI grip may have been better, but I disagree that the Mk V grip was flawed. I'm just pointing out that a weapon where all six rounds, of a major caliber, were ejected and loaded easily, should have been considered head and shoulders over one with a loading gate and a smaller caliber. The grip, to me, is actually comfortable and reminiscent of the Colt Bisley and Lightning. Most pistol shooting at the time was done single-action and quite often handguns were designed to facilitate manually cocking them, hence the smooth back strap.
No Othais it's not Riveting TV but Srewing TV (Sorry, Pun Taking). Love this Video thank for this only 3 to go to 100 Primer esp
Call me a philistine, but I used to be kinda disappointed when Othias did an episode on "insert generic rifle/revolver here" but now I actually enjoy seeing episodes on anything. :P
Everything has a story and some of the least known are the best
Saw one of these at a gun show for 250, it was chromed
What is sleep when there’s a new episode
22:24 Finally , this cures my dissapointment from the Gasser .
The far side of an hour....cool. The Nagant brothers...know the mame
..now will learn about the men.
use the same hand that you hold it with to rotate the cylinder
People always talking about how bad the gateloading is, and that's it's blackpowder and that those are big reasons why they don't wanna bring em into war, well which war?
Because the enemy is gonna have the same issues, making them far less detrimental.
Now if you're talking about taking 1800s blackpowder revolver into 1900s wars then yeah I absolutely agree.
What is the song at 19:19? I can't find anything about it.
Some kind of extended variation of Belgium's national anthem.
@@Gliese380 Ahhh okay thanks mate.
In the slow motion segments - it looks like the ejection rod spins after every shot. Is that really happening?
Kevin Nealon The checkering on the ejector knob is creating an aliasing artifact when the camera is in high-speed mode.
Thought that might be the case. Kinda cool to look at!
Je possède un Nagant Belge simple action mais je n'ai aucune date...
We'll done video.... l need help with dimensions for dhe cylinder pin slave and cylinder pin spring for Belgium model 1898... l lose them and l have no information for make one... l will be grateful for you help... thanks
THAT MY NAGANT!
Dammit I just got home from work and have to be back in 12 hours... Screw it, moar bedtime stories...
It's weird to hear about the armed papal states in these days... Almost sounds like it's an idea worth reviving...
Buh, I'm at work and can't watch right now cause I'll you know, die, falling in a machine or getting hit by a fork truck... 😭😭
I think I could actually smell the firing sequences.
Okay so I’m probably a big dumb dummy but what is a burr? I tried looking it up but I couldn’t really find anything.
A deformation at the edge of a component, usually leads to a snagging sensation
C&Rsenal thank you!
And I was going to sleep early. Not! Gun Buddha gets all my attention.
Gun Buddha? He's not nearly bald nor clean shaven enough for that.
I prefer calling Othais the "giant enemy crab" myself.
Sleep is for the uncommitted.
How rare are the Belgium Nagants compare to Russian Nagants?
less than 10,000 combined Belgians and probably just shy of 1,000,000 Rissians made.
Smokin’
Can you explain again why mark was demonitized?
Because CZcams said he is not advertiser friendly.
C&Rsenal that’s funny, because I just came off a binge of watching every anvil front to back... I smoke cigars, drink bourbon and enjoy guns and history... you know kinda like a “man” maybe it’s just the liberal lefty media with their wheatgrass shakes and veggie burgers that don’t understand man stuff?! Best to you both! I plan to now watch every primer!
@@scotttomlinson1057 It boggles the mind to discern why women couldn't perfectly well enjoy cigars, bourbon, guns, and history; nor why men couldn't enjoy wheatgrass shakes and veggie burgers.
Mmmm that Bergmann tho...
Guess I'll stay up.
I feel like there's a solid chance this is one of those things that long-time watchers use to catch new viewers, but is there a reason the shooter's shirt is half tucked in and half isn't?
In this case it’s so Mae can easily access the cartridges in her pocket methinks, but I don’t recall it being a C&Rsenal standard thing, she has an extensive shooting wardrobe 😂
Decent gun for the African Campaign and the 1878 absolutely my choice... If was migrating to South Africa and Boer Wars or America Old West if can't have the Colt 1878 DA or Colt 1873 SA, sturdy weapon to carry
Vojno-drzavni Nagan ))
13:57 Riveting? No, Othais, that's clearly a screw, not a rivet!
Belgian revolvers, are they anything like Belgians rifles?
In the sense that they are Belgian, yes
MP18 on the wall
Mini-Nuggets!
So in it's entirety the firearm is female but the individual parts are male ? Kidding, love Y'all.
« A » is most likely for assemblage
Хороший ствол, только перезарядка долгая.
The lack of flutes on a cylinder make no difference whatever to how strong it is -- that adds metal BETWEEN the chambers where it makes no difference. The thickness directly over the top of the chamber is completely unchanged. It's no thicker there than on the fluted-cylinder guns, and that's where it's going to blow if it's going to blow at all.
Sorry, work, but it's c&rsenal time. I'm going to be late today.
In before someone brings up silencers
B... but hurr durr Red Orchestra 2
Well I’ll bring up suppressors then
@John Hinchliff also tje Knights armament suppressed revolver project
If that grip feels so long and abnormally large i May's hand I feel bad for Othias
Did you guys know you can suppress those?
You cannot suppress Belgian Nagants.
@@Candrsenal Bummer. Shows how much I know. XD