History of WWI Primer 118: Madsen 1905 Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
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Den danske hærs rekylgeværer
Bjørn A Nielsen
К столетию завода имени Дегтярёва: от пулемёта Мадсена до КОРДа. Часть 1
Юферев Сергей
The strange case of the Bulgarian Madsen
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The Dark Invader
War-Time Reminiscences of a German Naval Intelligence Officer
Captain von Rintelen
Deutsche Musketen-Truppenteile im Weltkriege.
Nach meinen Kriegserinnerungen und nach Aktenauszügen aus dem Archiv.
W. Eckardt, Oberstleutnant a. D.
The Madsen Machine rifle (Sales Manual)
Danish Recoil Rifle Syndicate
Ammunition data thanks to DrakeGmbH
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Don't forget boys and girls, this is but one of two Madsen episodes. You'll get a total of 3 shooty bits between them. Hope ya'll enjoy!
I thank your shoulder for its service. Cheers from Canuck land!
Your work with project lightening helped inspire me to get an early Madsen parts kit that I’m getting rebuilt into a semi auto, so thank you Mae 👍🏻.
Thanks mom❤
You spoil us. Thank you for all the effort.
Have you thought about the dinosaur hunting guns yet?
"Scandinavian Tropics" -- I'm stealing that
Not even penguins and polar bears think of the Baltic Sea as tropical. 😳
Come visit the wonderful island retreat Iceland! I'll be happy to show you around since i'm off work today due to a storm that's been ripping off roofs and tearing mooring ropes.
Hinrik Stefnir Ævarsson I know people from Iceland and others who have visited. I have no doubt you would show such hospitality even in a wind storm. Let me guess, you are fully literate in four languages, speak six and can speak at least 3 more passably although with some difficulty and a bit slower? How close am I?
@@john-paulsilke893 Traveling from their natural habitats, penguins would meet plenty of real tropical sea before even attempting entering into the Baltics, which, by the way, would create rather a sensation.
"It takes a village to keep this idiot going." I'm stealing THAT.
Ya'll need some "Recoil Rifle Syndicate" shirts pronto.
I'd buy one.
The best term would be: "Riffelsyndikatet" as it was known. But the right term is "Dansk Rekyl Riffel Syndikat A/S"
YES make it happen
i support that!
@@mcstaal that would be for us Danes
A bit too tropic for the yanks
Madsen MGs still show up in the hands of Rio de Janeiro police officers here in Brazil, they may or may not be the only Brazilian state that adopted the Madsen, but they certainly are the only one that still fields them... My state (São Paulo) police used mostly Hotchkiss M1914 and M1909's, but we are not that desperate, so they're all in museums and private collections now.
Just about to make that comment. So cool.
There was a Video about a decade ago that featured a Madsen in use by Brazilian police in a raid. The story (usually) attached to the video was that it was impounded in an earlier case and pressed into service as the Police department often found itself outgunned, but it was sitting in a locker awaiting disposal so they put it into service.
@@jon-paulfilkins7820 Somewhere on YT should be (or was) video of active engagement with Madsen usage from 2016-2018 (don't remember exact year).
These guns are also chambered in 7.62 NATO. This is most likely the oldest gun to use 7.62 NATO.
@@jon-paulfilkins7820 I believe (but can't show evidence) that the Rio de Janeiro State Military Police did adopt the Madsen, as up until the 1940's the state police forces were often deployed into combat along with the Army and armed themselves accordingly (both São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro police forces have battle honors from all major conflicts Brazil was involved since their creation), but it is very likely that some of those machine guns ended up in the hands of criminals, probably stolen from armories and sold by corrupt officers, and were later recaptured by the police.
Bugger the Madsen gun! Get me some of those heavy assault ostriches!
Right, would fit nicely come the next emuwar!
In the world of assault ostriches, emu shock troops, kiwi scouts, etc...where do the Cassowaries sit in the man vs bird wars?
@@SlavicCelery As the most psychotic of the birds, they are obviously the Commandos.
@@archibaldlarid3587 That, or airborne assault shock troops. Not all that sneaky, not at all subtle, but when they are done, everything is dead.
The ostrich & the pacifist Viking. Proofs positive that anything is possible in this crazy world.
Scissors, a toothpick dispenser, and a paper trimmer. Amazing prop usage that makes total sense despite how wild they are.
Office Depot/Office Max or Staples ought to consider sponsorship - it could be good exposure for them.
A Madsen version of "rock, paper scissors"...LOL
"War Were Declared" at 1:00:09 That has to be a record.
sabretech2001 with kropatschek, they didn't declare it at all(for the part 1 at least)
He should have said we didn't sold any in the great war... Because we wouldn't be invaded by the one or other side by selling war material
@@julemandenudengaver4580 He will probably talk about it in the next episode, since that one is about the use of it during the war.
The transitions flipping the camera ARE FIRE
Madsen upscaled the design for 20mm canon. Used on naval vessels and armoured vehicles (Landsverk L60 and L 180)
+10 internet points for the "shoulder thing that goes up."
Yeah, you know... the "Barrel Shroud". Lol
We use nothing but the most technical of terms.
Clip, magazine or bullet holding thingie. It all means the same thing mostly.
Also this thing doesn’t have a belt, magazine or clip. It’s more like a hopper.
I want the machine that goes PING! in my job.
The illustrations of interrupter methods using office supplies were delightful.
Here's the song that's playing while Mae is shooting! Basically "We love our land" sung for the summer solstice festival Sankte Hans (John the Baptist). Mainly famous for all Danes burning huge bonfires and singing this song. Also witch burnings...
The final verse is definitely pointed squarely at the Germans after they beat us in 1864 - "We love our land, but with sword in hand, shall our enemies find us ready." The song was written in 1872, so very thematical. And just one more reason why I føcking LOVE your channel :D
1. Vi elsker vort land,
når den signede jul
tænder stjernen i træet med glans i hvert øje,
når om våren hver fugl
over mark, under strand
lader stemmen til hilsende triller sig bøje:
vi synger din lov over vej, over gade,
vi kranser dit navn, når vor høst er i lade;
//: men den skønneste krans
bli'r dog din, sankte Hans!
den er bunden af sommerens hjerter så varme, så glade. ://
2. Vi elsker vort land,
men ved midsommer mest,
når hver sky over marken velsignelsen sender,
når af blomster er flest,
og når kvæget i spand
giver rigeligst gave til flittige hænder;
når ikke vi pløjer og harver og tromler,
når koen sin middag i kløveren gumler:
//: da går ungdom til dans
på dit bud, sankte Hans!
ret som føllet og lammet, der frit over engen sig tumler. ://
3. Vi elsker vort land,
og med sværdet i hånd
skal hver udenvælts fjende beredte os kende!
men mod ufredens ånd
over mark, under strand
vil vi bålet på fædrenes gravhøje tænde:
hver by har sin heks og hvert sogn sine trolde,
dem vil vi fra livet med glædesblus holde;
//: vi vil fred her til lands,
sankte Hans, sankte Hans!
den kan vindes, hvor hjerterne aldrig bli'r tvivlende kolde! ://
Thank you! I wondered about the song
"Baby food yellow" are definitely words I wasn't expecting to hear on C&Rsenal.
Me at 12:30 AM: Alright, time to get some sleep and watch the new C&Rsenal episode tomorrow.
Phone alert: New episode available!
Me at 12:31 AM: #$&*%!
you ever look at these historic pieces in fascination, knowing that when it rolled off the production line it was just a weapon with a number, to the factory workers it meant nothing significant. Yet over 100 years later this gun is sitting in front of a historian and researcher who's explaining the vast eccentricities involved in the guns history with thousands of viewers who are equally fascinated by its history and significance
Outstanding video!! Among Danish soldiers back in the 1930 - 60, the Madsen was popularly known as "virgin-Madsen". My dad often referred to the weapon as that - not sure why. Best regards, a Danish historian
The song in the background at 54:00 is actually a Danish song from 1885 called "We love our country" or in danish "Vi elsker vort land". The song is still used today on the day of "Sankt Hans" ( John the Baptist ). Where we light a fire from the ground and burn a doll made to look like a witch, while people sing around the fire. The Swedes choose to dance around a pole instead, don't know why they are kinda just like the speciel needs section here in the Nordic countries.
And the fires can be quiet big at times.
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I was watching this with a smile on my face. So well made - and then full auto to the tune of "Midsommervisen - vi elsker vort land" original version. Does not get any better than that. Well produced and executed - thumbs up!!!!
Greetings from Denmark!
This is one of the guns I've been waiting for! This and the Schwarzlose MG.
one of the most interesting actions i've ever seen, i also really love the amount of people that help make this program possible. thank you to everyone that makes it possible, this show is the best.
I second that.
THIS- is why I love this channel; I can put my feet up, relax, and be educated in depth. Oh and enjoy a nice single malt.
After 90 minutes, I'm sad to see the session end!
Ian from forgotten weapons has videos on the early experimental madsen rifles btw
One important detail missing from the difference between the Danish conservatives and liberals with regard to the defence of Denmark is that the conservative policy was to only defend the capital of Copenhagen while the liberals saw all of Denmark as being worth defending.
Couldn't this partly be due to their geography? Not easy to defend much of it without huge resources which many may have admitted they would not have. As Ron Swanson says "better to whole ass one thing than half ass several." Wise, Ron, wise.
And neither were defendable.
The thinking used to be you won by taking the capital. Defend the capital you win....or at least don't lose. Copenhagen is a lot easier to defend and a lot cheaper than the whole of the country. The fact that the Brits burned Washington, DC, in the war of 1812 and the US didn't surrender might have given them a clue on the faulty reasoning.
@@richardanderson2411 Not to mention that technological advancements in artillery would have made those fortifications obsolete in a decade.
Like those Belgian forts Big Bertha ate for breakfast.
@@theultimatederp3288 But the forts and army around Copenhagen was why the german did not attack Denmark in 1915.
They could obviously have taken the city.
But the german army could simply not spare the needed number of troops and especially heavy artillery for the 3-4 month that they expected it would take.
(pulling the units out of the line in the west. Moving them to north germany, shipping them across to Sjælland, setting up, bombarding the danish lines and then attacking and winning. And then moving them back to the west front)
So the forts worked as designed. They helped keep Denmark out of the war.
Анимация - огромный плюс канала, большая работа.
Soooooo many moving parts!!!! It’s amazing to me that they could actually keep things running and make them work. It’s like they got credit the more complex they made things.
Don't quote me but I believe Ivan Hogg said it's not that the Madsen machine gun work well it's that it worked at all. First use in the Russian Japanese war 1904 1905 and still used in Brazil today in 2020.
The slot on the back of the magazine was for pushing the casings down if there was a feeding problem due to compression of the magazine or gooey stuck rounds, momentary dirt/whatnot.
Recoil is clockwork, the pendulum is kept swinging by the escapement pushing it but the opposite swing doesn't have to be driven.
You guys Rock!! C&Rsenal and Forgotten Weapons are two of the sites that, when I see the notification, I immediately have a butchers. I always learn something and have yet to see a dud episode! Oh, and I can totally relate to Mae's satisfied smile at the end of her firing . Well done you two, keep posting, I'll keep viewing and You Tube be damned!!
20:15 exotic Madsen variant of which only 60 or so of which were made? Look forward to seeing it someday on Forgotten Weapons
Julius Rasmussen studied at Aarhus, which is in the middle of our street.
*slow claps*
Well done!
You son of a bitch...
Good job
I don’t get it help
I love coming back to rewatxh old episodes years later i watched these on release years ago
I've always thought this gun was interesting because of how it looked, and also because of the weird way it is said to operate. I think an edition of Jane's Infantry Weapons(?) from many years ago said something to the effect of, "The most unusual thing about the Madsen was not the fact that it was said to work well, but the fact that it worked at all."
Very neat.
If anyone is interested in the rifle that preceded the Madsen, Ian at Forgotten Weapons has a great disassembly video of one.
he has videos of both
This may have been a WW1 small arms primer, but I'm here because I just watched the movie '9 April', depicting the German invasion of Denmark in WW2. When I started looking up the weapons the Danish troops were using I certainly wasn't expecting to learn that their light machine gun had been in continuous service since well before WW1. It struck me as perfectly competitive with the other light machine guns of WW2, which wouldn't be terribly remarkable if the gun had been developed in the 1930s. That the Danish army had been using it since 1903 speaks to a really fantastic design for the time.
Hats off to Bruno! Amazing animations!
Those are some badass scissors. Will you make a "Scissors of WW1" series?
Waking up sick is worth it when you're greeted by a C&Rsenal episode.
In the Danish WW2 movie ''April 9th'' you can see the Madsen in action against the Germans! The Krag rifle too.
I've always liked the Madsen. Something about how the stock is so far offset.
I like it too, big barrel shrouds make me feel some kinda way
The episodes I have been waiting for and the first comes out on my birthday, lucky me!
Another one I've been eagerly waiting for. Spectacular work as always.
Awesome work, and a very much appreciated thank you to all those who made this episode possible. 👍👍
Hey, that wasnt too bad a pronounciation of Rekylgevär, the emphasis should be on the kyl instead of the re but it was close.
Except for Swedish, most non-native speakers cannot attempt to pronounce Scandinavian languages
It's amazing how these old autoloading weapons are mechanical magic inside. Look at something like a mg34 or whatever work, no huge slabs of metal and even the belt feed system is fairly simply thanks to disintegrating links.
Great video. Thank you for all the time you guys put into it.
Been waiting for this one! Thanks guys.
Outstanding animation and explanation, really pulled it together!
This is a comforting bed time story.
I love the madsen. Here's praying I can shoot one one day. Thanks for doing a vid on it
I’ve had the chance to shoot a WWII one. It’s actually a pretty decent shooter with good sights. That being said, I find the magazines are VERY annoying to load.
@@edm240b9 oh I'm sure they would be a hassle to load. I've always heard they were great shooters. Hopefully I can find one and shoot a few rounds
Luis Santiago it was a fantastic shooter. The one I shot was in 54R.
@@edm240b9 oh that's sounds heavenly. That's a great caliber for shooting. Sadly haven't shot a gun in a bit over five years so I'm crazy rusty. Hopefully I can get enough money for a really nice ak or high end shotgun. Maybe some great milsurps if the market is getting better for em any time soon.
Luis Santiago I don’t currently own any guns, but what I usually do is find an MG rental range and shoot stuff there. It’s certainly not like owning it, but if you don’t have the time to shoot as much, then it’s better to dump the cash in one day and have the experience, but that’s just me.
The Madsen I shot was at a Vermont MG Shoot a couple years back.
The ejector alone! It is incredible how complicated it is.
6:23 - "Man knew how to make a Rolling Block."
[Later goes on to basically make a machine gun out of a Rolling Block-esque mechanism]
...I think he *_really, REALLY_* liked Rolling Blocks.
I was a bit worried before ~one hour mark, haha. Exciting episode, guys. I love Madsen, such an unique firearm. Thank you and all others, who made this episode possible! Cheers from Western Siberia!
Impressionnant ! dommage que nous ne voyons pas la cible que vise Mae.
Yessss!!! Another primer episode!!! Sounds amazing in full auto
Amazing camera work and that’s my favorite light machine gun too
As a Madsen, I appreciate the 2 part Madsen lmg mini series. Once you get past the great wars, I expect a Madsen m50 smg and a Madsen m47.
Woo, I finally caught up with all the episodes! Now I can watch new ones without forcing myself to wait until I catch up!
Lots of history backgrouynd, I didnt know about. Thank you very much sir! :)
wow a very complicated story i love it awesome work Othais and Mae
Yes!!! I am very excited to see this episode!
Loved the transition at 33:10 - hurray for production value!
We spared no expense.
@@maewinchester2030 *Very nicely done!* If I may, is _War Were Declared_ a Futurama reference, along with the ostriches?
I love seeing madsens in combat in modern Brazil
I mean, the police uses them because it's all they have, but doesn't make them less cool
Riffelsyndikatet still exsists to this day its called DISA. And when you look at there company websites history section.
www.disagroup.com/en-us/about-disa/history-of-disa
It starts in 1900 with the production of the "Madsen" :)
WOW !! GREAT VIDEO !!!
always love the look on Mae's face after she gets thruogh shooting an automatic
Machine gun episodes are probably my favorite and this is a gun that keeps making go "well isn't that neat". I think it's interesting how forward thinking the danes were given that their goal was to arm forts and enforce their neutrality. I'd almost expect them to just buy all the Maxims but nope.
Great timing, no I have to wait till after work to watch. 😉
Cool...background first...after lightbox....clear acrylic visual aid.
Can I get a bit more info on the Skoda machine gun at 26:30? The Skoda MG I'm familiar with is a very different clockwork of a gun.
this is sure the longest time taken just for the action so far in the series
Dude. I'm trying to sleep. I need sleep. But you uploaded and now I can't!
Woooo that fancy camera work!
Cool video.
Thanks from Denmark 🇩🇰
Just in time to watch for dinner here (in Australia)!
Best history channel(nudges algorithm)
Who else took one look at Madsen and thought "King Theoden!"?
Arise, arise, Riders of Théoden!
spear shall be shaken, shield shall be splintered,
a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!
Ride now, ride now, ride! Ride for ruin and the world's ending!
Death! Death! Death!
Forth Eorlingas!
A very nice camera move at 3:12!!
First time I have watched one of these episodes with the view count under 500. Win!
Subtitles when Mae is firing Madsen:
[Warp 9, engage]
Yep, just about it.
I was scared war weren't gonna be declared this time.
Didn't get a notification for this so I was pleasantly surprised when I mindlessly checked CZcams just now
I have a bit of a question, why are some Madsens open bolt and some are closed bolt? Also I really love the look of this gun
Hi Othias, I would just like to applaude your danish pronunciation.
Godt gået! :-)
(Especially Schouboe, Ian could learn a thing or two ;-))
YES! Finally the Madsen!!!!
Had an interesting question cross my mind, how well did the water cooled guns of the first would war work in the winter? There must have been some problems in freezings temperatures. Cold air, and ice could cool a gun, but is water expansion an issue, and if you take the jacket off how long could the air keep the gun cool? Just a thought 💭
Holy fancy camera work batman!
19:50 Just to let folk know, I think Forgotten weapons has a version of this gun that Ian went over
Maybe I missed it, but exactly when was the evolution from semi to fully automatic fire in the design?
Any chance of a mab18 in the future? I know it’s unlikely but i still hope for one
This beauty of a recoil rifle has such a satisfying shooting sound. :3
I remember the Madsen-Rassmusen Forgotten Weapons episode mostly because it was one of the most steam punk looking guns I had ever seen.
Those camera transitions... wow. Nice touch, Othais! Or Mae? :D
Othais idea, Mae execution.
Whoo whoo! The Madsen finally :D
Would some cartridges drop off from magazine when you unload the half full magazine?
Nice video, very thorough. I don't know of it is mentioned in the comments, but the D is silent, so it is pronounced Massen :)
It's crazy how ahead of its time the Madsen was and how long it lasted.
so insanely overcomplicated and unusual of problem solving with the engineering in this thing, im suprised it works so well if at all
Ha! I love the smile on the girls face when she fires in automatic mode :-D
Where's you get those snap caps? I'm looking for some in 7.5 French that won't easily be mistaken for live rounds, and being red like that fits the bill.
I believe the brand in question is zoom snap caps. I think you can get those from Amazon.
Correction that brand is A Zoom. And they don't make a 7.5 French snap caps. Maybe give this one a shot. realisticsnapcaps.com/product-page/advanced-tactical-7-5x54-french-snap-caps-7-5x54-dummy-rounds-5-pack/
Hey that's a great help! Thanks a bunch!
@@jeffferguson6338 No problem! I've had issues finding good snap caps before. The red plastic ones are horrible and I would never recommend them. a Zoom ones are solid.
Clarification of the trigger please, your explanation has me confused. Must you pull straight through to full auto (one movement) or can you fire semiautomatic, hold the trigger in place without releasing (say 5 seconds) then continue pulling through the second hump into full auto (two movements)?
It's a two-stage trigger, so you could fire the first shot, keep the trigger depressed in the middle (say, to adjust aim), and then ∂raw all the way back on the trigger to go full-auto.
If anyone knows where I can find madsen parts please let me know. I am missing a few things such as the front sight for my semi converted madsen.