The Dishonest Woke Take On Ugly Female Characters Reaches A New Level
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- If you draw a person and nobody can tell if it's a man or a woman then that is a bad drawing. Things that need to be said in 2024 edition! As we all know by now that female characters in entertainment, be it animated or live action, or quite clearly made to be ugly. In appearance AND soul if Harley Quinn is any indication... But this must be the dumbest woke argument yet and if this is a genuinely widespread belief in comics, gaming and shows then that would explain a lot!
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"So what makes a man look heroic?"
"Hot"
"So what makes a woman look heroic?"
"Hot"
You're forgetting an important detail: what makes men hot is different to what makes women hot. The cult screeches at the idea that men and women are different.
For example: last year in Brazil, a question (or the setup for one) on the national SAT (or our equivalent of it, the ENEM) stated that there are no observable differences between male and female, and the idea of such is a social construct.
@@Herr_Affe I thought that was the point. Breaking down the difference in portrayl into the same word.
@@Herr_Affe well that test question shows that there are things so stupid only a social scientist would believe them.
Depends...
Wokes: "Say no to stereotypes!"
Wokes: "Strong jawline = Heroic"
Funny how they scream about not labeling people and proceed to slap 30 different hashtags on themselves and justify it by using the most backwards, regressive reasoning possible.
@Razzy-sr4oq
That's just part of it, the redefining of everything.
They want people to reject restrictive labels and embrace *their* restrictive labels.
Power grab.
@@astrovarius543 EXACTLY. This goes hand in hand with historical revision, which is why we're seeing blatant rewriting of history happening more boldly with each year. They're already excusing the millions that starved to death under communism. Next thing you know, they'll be painting Pol Pot as a rebel fighter trying to protect his people from invaders.
"Say no to stereotypes we don't like"
wokes are the embodiment of hypocrisy, their tolerance is pointless by Karl Popper's paradox alone
Guess who's afraid of real Women.
Hmmm seems to be the wokies they really hate the female form.
It's the same kind of person that hates them
The LCDHDTV crowd, other women.
The same people who think fictional women are real women and claim to be all about diversity and inclusivity but are actually saying that only to make themselves look better.
They're not "afraid" of real women; they're afraid -- and disgusted by -- normal male sexuality.
"Don't strong jawlines make characters look heroic?"
No, it makes them look more *_male._* Odd of them to conflate "male" and "heroic."
Whatever happened to heroic is toxic masculinity?
It's only bad when it's men. But not when women transform to become men.
@@nicksjacku9750 These are leftists we're talking about. There are only three archetypes in the leftist hero's journey: Stolas, Blitzo and Adam.
The victim of the system who recognizes its evil and can therefore do no wrong, but upon even a surface level inspection from a rational perspective will be an irredeemable monster
The victim of the system who is embittered by it and perpetuates it out of spite
And the benefactor of the system, who has no redeemable qualities whatsoever
Heroism is a foreign concept to these people.
@@nicksjacku9750 the feminists got btfo by the T.
Not that odd, more like telling about their perspective/worldview/thinking.
I've already learned that modern left likes to project oh so much.
Like the whole thing how Tolkien orcs are supposed to be depiction of black people.
Which is a very odd thing to say until you realize that that is what they are really thinking.
- "We need to give female characters strong jawlines to make them look more heroic!"
- "So, making female characters look masculine makes them look more heroic?"
Because they don't think a feminine looking woman can be heroic. They're pretty obvious about it.
Exactly, wokies are not subtle in their hate of femininity. They cant't help conflating femininity with weakness and cowardice.
We are reaching the levels of twists only a gordius knot can posess
@@10011110011 Thankfully we can laugh at it from a distance while woketards try to cut it with kid safe scissors that they're underqualified to handle.
Wow, they must not like women.
Bets on how long until this "person" 's X account is "protected"
A few hours
@@mattl8987 30 minutes tops give or take.
I give him 11 minutes.
Musk really needs to remove that
Bold of you all to assume it isn't already
Wokies are worse than Warhammer Chaos.
They are secret cult of Slaanesh.
@@user-qm7pz7lu2t Slaanesh likes manjaws? Look at Lucius, his jaw is SMALLER after he got corrupted.
as snobby as Tzeentch and as subtle as Khorne.
I mean.......they *are* Warhammer Chaos.
They're the embodiment of all vice. There is nothing good to be found within them. Only evil
@@andrewgreeb916 the wokies are a combination of all three chaos gods.
Modern games: where men identifying as men get represented, men identifying as women get represented, women identifying as men get represented, and women identifying as women get erased.
All for the trans gaze.
Don't forget, everyone is a reggin now. They invented everything, created culture, mankind, etc.
@@TearThatRedFlagDown which is nonsense. because trans people Want to look like the other side. They know what makes a man and what makes a women otherwise there would be no such thing, and any who claim otherwise is just lying to your face.
yep, woman don't care if the hot fictional men are unrealistic, they only care about having to "compete" with the hot fictional woman for the male gaze, as ironic as it sound.
there are real woman who are so jealous of fictional woman that they go to extensive efforts to ensure no one in American game industry makes those those kinds of ladies, but hot fictional men are totally okay.
@@TearThatRedFlagDown Gotta make the troons feel better about being hideous.
A woman with massive dispensers choosing to be a hero instead of a backstage gardening tool is heroic af
That would be Power Girl... BEFORE DC ruined her in the New 52.
@@gojira387they ruined all female characters in new 52 gotta be more specific mate.
And a woman being a hero means being a loyal mother.
@@schnek8927tbf tho, an excellent mother might as well be a hero in her children’s eyes.
Boobs of steel we call it.
Kinda feel like the wokies are shooting themselves in the foot when they say "the perfect woman looks and acts like a man"...
They are. It's repulsive to normal people. They're taking things a step beyond believable and nobody likes them.
"man role and average behavior is toxic unless is a woman doing it" - crazy twitter person
Just ask them what "woman" means and they'll spontaneously combust. Argument over.
This comes from feminism. Anything feminine is considered a stereotype so it's to be avoided.
A primary goal of feminism was always to make women like men and men like women.
They see male attributes as superior and seek to invert gender so that women can better compete.
We have already established that the best woman is literally a man
Doctor House approves...
And thats why we have "traps" :D : D:D
Yep. Astolfo is best girl.
considering a man just won woman of the year
Remember how "game journos" were bashing Stellar Blade while at the same time lusting shamelessly over Hades 2 characters? Its only the wrong kind of sexualization when they say it is.
Same with the acolyte and the shirtless scene
Is there anything wrong with hades 2 characters?
@@user-cs4su3ng9l They consisist of androgynous self-inserts of some slaaneshi cultist for the most part, whenever they are not outright ugly.
Like, Hestia, the ever youthful and beautiful godess of home and hearth looks like bizarro aunt jerima with a torch on her head, charcoal blackface and 100 extra pounds.
The same people booting off about stellar blade calling people pervs have 1000’s of images of furry, MLP, rule 34 etc all with grossly exaggerated proportions and often with the wrong genitalia. It’s only wrong when a straight white man likes it.
@@user-cs4su3ng9l no there isn't, the problem is the hypocrisy of picking and choosing what you are allowed to be horny towards
Always assume malice from them.
I do, I do. But I want to answer them back with even more malice than they can muster.
It's both incompetence and malice. Incompetence produces malice due to envy and pride.
As a decent person I usually try not to, but at this point I expect it from them.
Pure evil.
How can we stop it?
Looks at the comic: *Laughs in Samus Aran*
Going on four decades and they still fear her.
They couldn't even beat a based bombshell of a blonde lady.
@@merafirewing6591 Fellow Musashi enjoyer spotted.
@@hyperdimensionbliss who couldn't love a tanned lady that doesn't understand the concept of a bra and having good assets.
Get Nintendo somehow to make a Metroid movie on the heels of their Mario one. I'm sure the leftists would love to jump at the chance to attack a strong female protagonist.
Actions make a character look heroic. A strong jawline makes men look handsome. Heroic and handsome are not the same thing.
A hero is a hero because of their actions in the story. A handsome actor is chosen because they are more attractive to the audience.
So, the question is not, "What makes a woman look heroic." We already know the answer to that. It's when she pilots the mecha, to fight the alien queen, to save the little girl. That's what makes a woman look heroic.
The question is, "What makes a woman look attractive to the audience?" The answer is not, "Make her look more like a man."
I mean, that's the answer for the highly elusive "modern audience" these psychos so desperately want to exist.
Very much so. Hope "The ArchCast" spots your comment and pins it.
and as far as "looking" heroic does... the pose and presence in the shot matters more than almost anything else
@@thorveim1174 Charisma and acting skill goes a long way.
@@michaeltalpas that too in the cases where it matters. Basically... Presentation matters more than looks
build male heroes like a tank and female like a sportscar and you are at a good base
Great way of putting it actually, nice.
I disagree on the male definition, I mean, japanese developers make them like sports car too, most of the time.
It´s a very western thing to make every single male character to look like a weight lifter.
The right can’t meme
@@Dragonage2ftw You can't do anything right. Stay offline as you're a clown everywhere you go.
""So what makes a woman look heroic?"
"A what?"
"A woman."
"Can you explain what that is?"
"No."
"Exactly. Now shut up."
Notice how they start the argument with "physical features make someone heroic". It's a clear case of poisoning the well.
Considering how their "heroes" act, it's not surprising.
It's also abelist, and they hate ableism.
Wouldn't be surprised if this is all a grift to dismantle the left-wing "free thinker" stereotype. Wasting decades on cultural brute-force campaigns in the US is something the CCP would totally do. Or the russians. Or the US agencies. Or Brussels, Germany, France (wouldn't be the first mess they made)...
idk who's doing it, but there's no way an entire political wing just went full-force stupid hypocrite in such short time. This is manufactured for sure. Could be that hungarian guy, too. Or a certain sore loser candidate. Bill Gates...
No, pretty sure that’s what you all say.
What makes a woman look heroic? Standing up against insurmountable odds DESPITE her physical disadvantage.
See Eowyn in Return of the King.
I hear you, I hear you BUT! Have you considered making her kill something big... like an ice troll or something in, say, under 10 seconds? I'm just spit ballin' here.
Yeah, but that requires me to do good writing. And that is hard.
That makes anyone look heroic though, because that's what heroism is.
But when it comes to physical features you definitely don't make women look heroic by making them into the Crimson chin.
"Courage Merry. Courage for our friends"
Wait...isn't that what's going on now?
A strong jawline makes them look like a man.
What makes a character look heroic is heroic *ACTIONS.*
"That's a man."
"No it isn't. See, she has lipstick."
"... That's a man with Lipstick"
"But... She has long hair!"
"I have long hair, and I'm a guy."
"..."
"Did you think I'm a woman?"
"..."
"I have a beard!"
"But you have long hair."
"Didn't you get mad at me last week when I said only women can give birth?"
"You mean birthing persons, and no not only women can be."
"Why do I talk to you?"
Sephiroth has long hair. Zenos Yae/Viator Galvus has long hair. both are men. (Despite Zenos armor making his ass look HUGE)
Ursula Creed looks like a villain. Ursarkar Creed looks like a hardened veteran commander.
What looks heroic in a guy, can look damn right horrific in a woman.
Ursula 'The lunch lady' Creed.
@@EmperorSigismund "Luch mistress Doria. Have we got any grease?"
@@IsmaelSantos-xv9qf The real reason we aren't allowed to have Straken and Creed in the same squad.
Women shouldn't be the crimson chin.
There can only be one!
Not gonna lie, Crimson Chin introducing his wife who looks exactly like him in a blonde wig and lipstick would have been a great gag.
KA-CHIN!
HERE COMES THE CRIMSON CHIN!
@@DekuLord Which makes sense. The Crimson chin writer is a middle-aged single men who lives with his mother.
Male Jaw Complex going to say it
Seems like a convoluted extention to penis envy.
Some believe it's troon-gaze.
@@shawnm1902 penis implies testes; testes cause wider jaws.
I stopped assuming ignorance long ago
You’ve said nothing.
Make no mistake here, this person's twitter is full of comics catering to the woke hivemind, they know fully well what they are doing.
Its not about a strong (meaning defined) jawline. Its about a strong (meaning masculine) jawline. There is a difference, but i dont expect an activist to understand that difference.
They just show their true colors when they assign 'Strong' to being male.
@@deusdex1186 That's been a thing for decades.
Every since the 3rd wave feminists (Neo-Marxist Post-Modernist) began to justify (or deny) the atrocities approved or outright perpetrated by 2nd wave feminists (Marxist) they've been doing that.
It's really simple to grasp, honestly:
Men = Opressor
Women = Opressed
How Men opress virtuous and infallible Women? Because "Toxic Masculinity".
What is Toxic Masculinity? A Feminist definition of Masculinity (basically a sexist stereotype of a macho chauvinist abuser pig they believe all men are) IF a man has it.
And because of a vast conspiracty known as "The Patriarchy" only those with Masculinity attain Power.
So Masculinity = Power.
Therefore Femininity = Weakness, hence why Women are "Opressed" and why men pointing out bad female behavior is "punching down".
Why is Femininity = Weakness? Because the Feminist definition of Femininity consists of a sexist stereotype of a subservient submissive slave women who is only good for poping kids.
So, whats' the goal? To "Empower" women by making them Masculine and to "Deconstruct" (read: strip of all power) men by making them Feminine, according to the Masculine&Feminine definitions the Feminists have in their heads.
That way, they would be able to "flip" the dialectic of power to their favor.
Its a Cult of Resentment.
@@deusdex1186 And it's correct, but hilariously goes against their own ideology. As facts do.
Its established they don't know literally anything about biology, so that tracks.
a womans jawline can be delicately angled and defined that way, much prettier on her.
Many of these "creators" learned their craft online, mostly via Tumblr or similar places. And if they learned it in a "proper" art school environment, they were probably being taught by teachers who knew this and didn't want to "cripple" their students with this kind of "old-fashioned" thinking...
many of them will admit they intentionally draw women like men to see how far they can go before the client complains.
@@arkgaharandan5881 ...which probably explains why several artists I've worked with hate me because I've made it clear that men should look like men, women should look like women, and small fuzzy creatures from Alpha Centauri should look like small fuzzy creatures from Alpha Centauri.
Why were they mad?
Controlled propaganda.
Wanna know who else failed at art school
No male character physique has ever been under such scrutiny...
He Man.
By the power of grayskull! And my huge abs!
Amusingly they used rotoscope for both male and female characters for the show was done with real atheletes running to make the footage for the show. They literally used real people as the basis for it.
The comic is flat out saying that women can only look heroic when they look like men. This is a common problem, where people claiming to be feminist state that to be strong, independent, heroic, ect. a woman must be more masculine. It's the ultimate misogyny, saying that women have no value unless they are more like men. I've always found that extremely offensive.
Well, the way the feminists in the 60s rationalized Women to be superior yet Opressed by the inferior yet Opressor men was to make it so Masculinity = Power and Femininity= Weakness, so their way to "flip" this power dynamic was to make women Masculine ("Empowered") and make men Feminine ("Deconstructed").
Feminists are the most sexist bigots ever, but they, like all adherents to the Cult of Social Justice (a cult of resentment) are also narcissistic, so they will never accept that they are just a bunch of hipocritical as-hats.
One of the logical conclusions of Feminism is that, to be a "Strong Independent Woman," one would need to engage in the same actions as men do to obtain that independence.
The natural consequence is that the best woman is, according to Feminists, practically a man with breasts.
We have come full circle, and now feminists are admitting quietly that they, in fact, do need a man.
I love how asinine that comic strip is at the beginning, it pretends that men and women do not have genetic characteristics. Like the chance of a woman having a male jawline is pretty small. Some women do sure, but then what is it that the woman is doing that is heroic? Is she doing everything a man does? even combat? Its funny how, the women in games or whatever else who always have a "Strong" male jawline, always happen to be the ones trying to act exactly like men instead of doing their own thing.
Heroism for women just doesn't work in the same way for men, simply because our temperament and nature are different, as well as the fact that we ultimately are physically built different too. Expecting the exact same heroism from men or women in comparison to each other is just silly. Some do overlap, but some do not and the most entertaining forms of heroism will always be physical.
The most stupid thing about that is saying having big Jawline make you look 'Heroic' even thought most character in media with big Jawline is not even a heros' character but a thug and goon character because having big Jawline make character seem like they use brawn more than brain.
@@piegineer9130 Sad people don't know difference between a strong jawline vs. a big Jawline isnt' it.
Heroism stems from the content of the character, not what they look like. A flight attendant that shielded passengers with her body and hid their passports so hijackers couldn't kill specifically the Jewish passengers, that lady is a hero. In this, self-sacrifice to save others is no different between men or women. There's a great deal more kinds of heroism out there than riding into battle against grim odds.
Leftists unironically don't believe in the words masculine and feminine. I found this out talking to people on reddit lol
@@Razzy-sr4oq The means in which self-sacrifice can be performed and is performed at a fundamental level and even an average level does differ because of nature, because of temperament because of physical difference that impact the mental and the willingness to do those things. The alternative you present is idealistic but not realistic.
As I pointed out, there are other forms of heroism, but only a few of them are entertaining and enjoyable to consume as a form of entertainment.
As a Fan of Sisters of Battle, i like Feminine heroic Women, without them beeing over the top Sexy, but i dont need a Women with a Stong Jawline that almost looks like a men, Sisters of Battle are Perfect, good looking, feminine Warriors without them beeing over the top. Perfection
Female Imperial Guard are also pretty attractive. There’s a reason all of us Imperial Guard fans like Lt. Mira in the Space Marine game, she was attractive and awesome in her own right without downplaying Titus and Co.
Even then I think that female Imperial guard doesn't necessarily fit the setting. If they really wanted the preserve reproduction.
@@johnrockwell5834 You could always pull a Krieg and use Vitae Wombs to pop as many females as possible, though I kinda wonder what situation would lead to that.
Maybe some planet with some viral or microbial or chemical nonsense that kills only males but is harmless to females, with the local fauna being genderless and reproducing via mitosis or whatever. And they just turned to using Vitae Womb to keep population, and thus the PDF and IG regiments are all female, simply because any men who sets foot in the planet without a sealed enviromental suit (or super-human augmentation) dies within hours.
@@johnrockwell5834female regiments are rare for that reason.
But when you suffer as much losses as the imperial gaurd.
You just need more bodies.
I think female regiments are a few dozen.
Compaire to the thousend of male regiments.
Totally agree. There's something really inspiring in seeing feminine warriors (with armor as a plus...) being fierce and heroic.
Hot tomboys are great too.
Justice League was legitimately one of the greatest superhero shows ever. All of the character designs were easy on the eyes, because that's exactly what superheroes should look like.
Only criticism is Batman's cowl "ear spikes" were a little too long.
@@beauwalker9820 Just imagine they are that long because he has some gizmos in them.
Don't be ashamed to draw what you want. Don't let anyone tell you that a ideal looking character is wrong.
People dont want realism. people want idealism, at least in physical appearance. people want INTERNALLY flawed characters because it makes them better and more believable where it matters.
Also the abominations the leftard SBI worshippers create are not realistic, they are far uglier than real life usually can produce.
So does this mean the artist knows what a woman is? Does this mean he's a biologist? We must know! 😂
"How can you have a heroic female witho-"
"I can already see where this gaslight is going and I am here to tell you that whatever answer you are looking for, it DOESN'T HAVE TO involve giving the lady a man jaw."
I really hate when they use the "realism" argument as if attractive women are somehow not real. I especially find it annoying when they are talking about Silent Hill 2's Maria. Which shows they no NOTHING about Silent Hill 2.
I appreciate the distended veins on the red guy. It's handy to know at a glance which side is being strawmanned.
It really is that "*I am very silly!*" comic all over again.
Funny enough, with all the expressions, the orange strawman has more character than the generic woke NPC has.
"What makes a character heroic"
Peak physical condition. For men that is being jacked, for women that is looking like a model.
No, for women that is looking like an athlete.
These people need to visit a gym, half the woman there look more 'unrealistic' then these superheroes...
There are differences between men and women. In their effort to make strong women, all these writers do is write men that are portrayed by women. It is like they don’t or don’t want to champion what makes men and women different but still strong especially when together. They don’t want to champion what has made our species great, clawing our way up from the mud of a hostile world to explore the stars and create great wonders. As humans we are all strong in our own ways but only if we work together and let our strengths complement each other.
How can they? The mere idea of specialization is an anathema to them in their entitlement.
Women are not strong. Outside of keeping the species alive through laying on their backs and getting railed , they can't do much. Look at the women now. They are actively destroying everything through greed and ignorance.
Because modern feminism is effectively the ideology that says that men and women are completely equal and interchangeable and any historical differences can be chalked up to a grand, coordinated international conspiracy among men as an aggregate to deliberately oppress and denigrate women around the globe even before we as a species were even aware that there was a globe.
Unsurprisingly when a culture bases itself and it's understanding of the world on such unhinged conspiracies (though note 9/10 western women and 2/10 western men proclaim to believe it) would itself be deranged by default.
Can't tell stories like that when your express intention is to sow division so that you can create social unrest.
@@TearThatRedFlagDownWhat is the unrest for?
They think they're dunking on us with this but, unironically, yes. The male fantasy is the be the most powerful; the female fantasy is to be the most beautiful. J. Ishiro Finney wrote a whole book about the attack on the idealized female form entitled _Boobs of Steel_ . TV Tropes were so salty about his book they nuked their own page on the trope.
Tv tropes has opinions?
Why attack female form do they not want to reproduce?
Its not even the looks. They also screw with animations of female characters. Capcom did this with Monster Hunter Rise. Removing the feminine animations of female player characters. Its really noticeable outside of combat like walking and idle standing animations. Mind you the feminine animations are still in the game with the NPC companions (mods use these to give the female player characters feminine animations) Remember this is a franchise that REUSES animations across multiple generations of MH games. And dont give me this is only a minor issue. Trivialization is why we are in this mess in the first place.
Agreed! I couldn't continue playing MHRiseBreak because of how jarring the Female Hunter's brutish animations are. I just went back to MHWorldBorne. Dat hip sway.
@@WafflemageYup I'm glad you noticed it too coz not a lot people did. They screwed with the outfits too covering up the female ones way more compared to the World and Old World games. btw that hip sway is in MHXX/MH Generations as well so the Switch can't handle meme doesn't apply as a sorry excuse for removing said hip sway.
It's always about getting a foot in the door. "It's not important" and "why do you care" are deliberate strategies to gaslight you.
@@Shin_Mothra If it was important enough to implement, it's important enough to criticize.
It's still a detail... But as I love to say, details are what differentiates the good from the great, and is objectively a downgrade and we should point them out.
strong jawline isn't heroic... what weird fetish the artist is pushing? this isn't the Fairly Oddparents. the jawline is masculine, a strong female like Star wars Padme doesn't have strong jaw lines to show their strength.
"What makes a woman look heroic?" Confidence. "What does confidence physically look like?" It looks like she's not confused, like she has grasp of the situation and knows how to get it done with the resources available to her. "What does that physically look like, though?" It doesn't look like you having asked the same question twice.
Well, first it looks like someone being disciplined enough to maintain good shape and good looks (which also apply to men equally by the way), but they're not ready to have that conversation...
What makes ANYONE “heroic”?
A steadfast stance in favour of commonly held/shared beliefs in the face of any and all odds despite overwhelming opposition from those who seek to conquer and destroy.
The physical form is mostly irrelevant, it’s the actions taken and standards advocated for that speak loudest win loose or draw.
Or in the case of “DEI heroes”, easy win, literally handed victory or abuse of overwhelming power to lambast a powerless opponent for a minor social infractions (a “micro aggression” if you will).
That the jawlines are more firm than Batman TAS, the builds those of carnival sideshows, the faces pudgy, pockmarked and flawed like someone living off 24/7 fast food buffets (and no washing), that the actions/animations/attitudes of modern “female heroes” are worse than those of classical wife-beater bully tropes and the paths to power are basically happenstance or “you were always special this entire time” (closes eyes, flashback of insecurities, sparkles, opened eyes and combo-kills the “BBEG” in 3 seconds flat) are but cosmetic activism built out of malice by activists who hate the core consumer (the longtime paying customers).
Why do they hatethe core consumer?
@@user-cs4su3ng9lBecause the core customers are men.
CZcams has really been ramping up the comments section censorship lately.
Even just telling people to do some research and giving them a term to use in said search is enough to get a comment banned.
Heard that.
Probably happens to at least 80% of my comments. You feel rather targeted when you make perfectly reasonable comments too.
Honestly the app is completely broken. The keyboard lags a good 5 minutes before I can type half the time
Election year in US
I yearn for the day when people recognize that saying that a woman is only equal to a man if she is completely and utterly interchangeable with a man is unironically the most sexist thing ever.
Women are not Men, and Men are not Women. it is their complementary differences that support each other and let them both strive to their individual perfection.
Heroic characters throughout history have almost always had idealized (and often exaggerated) characteristics for their sex. So males are tall with strong jaws and large, well-defined musculature; while females are fit, toned and conventionally attractive.
It's easy to understand so long as you live mostly in reality, but fewer and fewer people in general seem to nowadays - but that may just be my cynical outlook speaking.
Yeah, it’s a bit weird that no one has a problem with stereotypically heroic looking men. And those don’t look anything like me
Don't people like women with WIDE waists?
And even then, heroes are idealized, in both physique and morals, as such they are to be attractive. Simple.
Edit: I did a dumb. Ya, I meant hips.
Not waist, wide hips. The waist is a bit above the hips and being wide there makes a person look fat.
Hips not waist
The hourglass figure is so universal even blind men prefer it
wokies wanna seem to deny what a woman is. Their hips are their natural center point of gravity.
Yes. Wide hips indicate the ability to give birth easily. That's why it's attractive. Surprise! We know the science behind why someone is attractive to the opposite sex.
Small hips are the best
Who is even asking for a woman to look heroic? We want her to look cute/sexy first and then if she's heroic that's a bonus. NO ONE wants to play as these woke characters. No one draws fanart them. No one makes toys of them (or no one buys them). The people who ideologically agree with them don't even want these characters. They all desire the beautiful characters instead.
The people who agree are driven by pure malice towards us and a desire to destroy all beautiful things.
@@torrasque0151why?!
@@user-cs4su3ng9lWomen ☕️ (and simps)
Well, there is "fanart" (R34) of Rey from star wars.
still remember baldurs gate 1 finding the cursed belt that changes you. During a full moon you transform into a Wooman.
I remember watching westerns with my grandpa. I think the movie was “thank your local sheriff”.
The jail isn’t finished, with no bars on the jail, and when the new sheriff is being shown around he takes a red paint bucket and dribbles the paint on the ground. When asked what he is doing he just says something coy. Then the sherriff goes to arrest someone and put them in the cell, the man is sitting on his bunk and says “well why can’t I just leave”. The sheriff responds “well you can but you’ll end up like the last guy” pointing to the “blood stain” he just made with paint.
It was all a joke but i was impressed by how intelligent it all was, for some silly western that was made as a police puff piece. Not just for how funny it was, but also that it demonstrated how the threat of force can keep people in line (a metaphor for the polices job).
You don’t really see shit like that in modern media.
Good example.
The title is "Support Your Local Sheriff."
It's not really a "police puff piece," though I get why someone would say that with it's paraphrased title, it's really just a good-natured parody of the tropes of the Western genre at that time and one of the best ones at that.
@@gojira387 I just rememeber looking it up later and it had like a 6.5 and it mentioned it was a police puff piece. my thought was basically "if this is a 6.5, I want to see what the 8 and 9s were"
@@notknightbean Fair point.
Yeah, I wouldn't call the movie a perfect masterpiece of cinema, but there honestly isn't many Comedic Westerns that are better and James Garner is one of the best Western Stars of all time and this is one of his best roles.
The movie also has a pseudo-sequel called "Support Your Local Gunfighter."
It's not really a sequel because it is not a continuation of the story, it's the same Director with much of the same cast, retelling the same basic story, with some tweaks and a few twists. Some people like it better than the first one, some don't. Either way, the two films make a good double feature.
Things were definitely better back then; not all things, but most.
This kind of meme always provokes a sense of pity in me, to be honest; they make themselves look like confused little simpleminded creatures. But then I remember what they do.
What are they doing and why? Are they evil? Are they stupid?
There was a huge change that happened in 2016-2017-2018 in Hollywood that made it creativly bankrupt. Season 6 of Game of thrones was peak entertainment, everyone loved it, when it had some of the best TV to ever be written, CZcams careers were created by theory crafting and lore channels, then the writting fell off a cliff. Avengers Infinity War was the last good Marvel movie, i know most enjoy endgame, but it felt...hollow.
In the last battle in Infinity War you could feel the Avengers struggling to keep Thanos's forces at bay to protect Vison, yet after some time travel adventures that wouldnt have been out of place in a 90's cartoon, the Avengers steam roll Thanos and his army without anyone being in any danger. We get hero poses, girl boss moments, and at no point did it feel like anything apart from the good guys winning was going to be the final outcome, while in infinity war, the avengers lost and we as the audience, felt that loss.
"Everyone loved Season 6 of GoT"
Are you sure about that?
@@Herr_Affe im sure you were one of those who didnt, a book purest who hated any deviation from the books, but the exception doesnt disprove the rule. Culturally, the majority of people say season 6 is where the TV show peaked.
@@Keglanek Hollywood has been trash for quite some time, far longer than you supposed here. You just lapped it up though.
Its really interesting how much some people despise the feminine form.
Hol' up. The comic says steong jawline makes someone heroic?
Did they confuse heroic with manly?
Was that a freudian slip?
And even if you want to go for the "muscle mommy" kind of hero, you still make them hourglass shaped. (One example would be Diana from Symphony of War, in my opinion)
YES, thank you! Never seen this Diana before but she does indeed look very buxom.
Still too beefy in the arms, but at least make ”strong female characters” curvy too.
Makes it more realistic as well, even if the character is a giant. More weight is fitting for someone who relies on strength.
@@schnek8927 Pretty much this, small spoiler, she's basically an avatar for the "god of strenght" in that game, her personality is also interesting, a very pious paladin, usually wise and stoic, the only point where she goes "nuts" is when someone attempts to use threats on her son against her. (So she's literally a muscle mommy);
Pretty much this, small spoiler, she's basically an avatar for the "god of strenght" in that game, her personality is also interesting, a very pious paladin, usually wise and stoic, the only point where she goes "nuts" is when someone attempts to use threats on her son against her. (So she's literally a muscle mommy);
Even female body builders, should they be natural, retain their hourglass and general femininity with their gains--heck sometimes it's enhanced. LeanBeefPatty and Michelle McDaniel are prime examples.
Yup, if you make women just into men then there is no reason to treat them different. They can be wage slaves and cannon fodder soldiers just like men are. In fact are they not considering the draft for women right now in the US?
Strong jaw lines don't make a character look "Heroic", They make a character look masculine. Hence the issue.
It's almost as if what makes a man beautiful and a woman beautiful are different.
Also, heroism isn't appearance, nor is it emotion. It is action. If anyone wants to get into a discussion about things like shape language and color theory in character design, realize that a character's appearance informs a part of their character rather than their actions. A large man with squared shoulders and a sharp jawline typically just means "tough", "strong", and even "reliable", but villains can have the same traits in even the reverse role.
On the appearance thing, one of the best examples in modern times in my opinion is from the Dark Knight movie when Tommy Lister who is pretty much type cast as a heavy because of his appearance takes the trigger to the bomb and throws it out with the line "I'm just doing what you should have done ten minutes ago." to the guy who is always cast as a regular dude. It was a great way to show that anybody in the moment can be a hero or a villain in the moment no matter what their lives were up to that point.
To be fair, you can make a muscular female character look good without making her look exactly like a man. But they don't do that any more. It's gotten to the point that most female 'heros' look almost the same as their male counterparts.
They are drawing bulges in their pants for fuck sake?
Korra from the legend of Korra for all her faults Is a great example visually of a more built woman who is still cute.
So, they admit that what makes a man look heroic is the chiseled jaw lmao.
Arch, it's not just appearance. When was the last time you saw a woman having a beautiful voice in a cartoon?
Good point.
I am sick to death of the sophistry. Been putting up with this bad faith crap for over a decade. When will it end?
Shape language 101. Rectangular, rounded and triangular shapes have their own meanings. Rectangular works well for men because it correlates with physical strength, for women it's triangular for speed and a hint of danger, or rounded for safety and softness. Obviously you _can_ use rectangular for women too, but it's best left for characters whose physical strength you want to emphasize at the cost of attractiveness, such as Brienne of Tarth.
Omg, that’s like, totally sexism and misogynist, or something...
Racist too, because why not.
Heroes being hot is a part of showing that they are the best of humanity. To say nothing of the fact that being attractive is appealing and they used to want to sell products instead of ideology.
They still cant do memes can they? Memes are about getting a basic idea or joke across with as little words as you can.
They don't want basic ideas, they're trying to fit a lecture into a picture because twitter's character limit stops them from producing a novel to explain every stupid idea they come up with.
Oh look, the "I AM SILLY" Format, haven't seen that one in a while.
The recent Superman and Lois cartoon was pretty damning in my opinion. All the "female" characters were either built like men, but given eyelashes. Or built like a small boy, but with eyelashes. As if that was the only conceit the character designers were willing to give to let the audience know these were women and not effeminate men.
Been saying this for years and YES I did reference the same artists female characters when I draw old school Harley and I do emulate his style as well. it is a very good remediation of female characters even on catwoman you can tell she's still very famine even with a edgy jaw (because Vilnian of course)
animated batman and justice league cartoons were peak media, rest in peace Kevin Conroy
Real comic book art is awful these days. I grew up with John Byrne... today's "artists" just draw horror shows.
Artists? More like Autists.
It is because the "artists" aren't hired for their talent they are hired because they are a transmasc demi-pansexual disabled woman of color in a wheelchair thus making them the kwisazt haderach of the progressive stack. Whether they can tell which end of a pencil draws is completely irrelevant to them doing their jobs as long as they parrot the right talking points and get that sweet sweet ESG money.
A "strong" jawline in a female character (truly female) is possible, IF you go with the female version of it.
Look at caucasian women, lots of very sharp bone struckture, high, sharp cheeck bones and quite often "strong" jaw lines too but in a still very female looking face.
Well there's your problem Smooth Dunk: "Look heroic". Not "Be heroic", "Act heroic" just "How do I lazily establish them as hero?".
I like small women. Small, cute, and funny.
😭😭😭
Having a strong jawline doesn't make a man look heroic, it just makes him look more physically powerful. Plenty of bad guys in fiction have strong jawlines.
Having a strong jawline doesnt make character look heroic. It just makes character look manly.
thank you Arch for making this I've been saying this for years now i'm glad i'm not the only one who wants my female character to look like an actual biological woman not a FTM trans character
It’s still possible to watch bikini contests from the 80’s if anyone wants to actually see what women are supposed to look like.
Smooth Dunk is a lie,
they/them are neither smooth nor dunking on anyone.
The only thing smooth about them is their brain
When Eastern media wants a female character look heroic they usually can just make her a Saber-clone.
Now that you pointed it out... damn, you're right. Even the people behind Violet Evergarden said that there was an obvious inspiration.
@@JPG.01 Violet Evergarden has that big sister/motherly look to her. Not sexy or hot.
@@aj.j5833 I just meant it as a reference that Violet is so heavily inspired by Saber it's a hair's breadth away from plagiarism. And having played the original Visual novel recently, Saber herself isn't that hot either. She has the same "dependable older sister" vibe going on.
@@JPG.01 Sorry wasn't critizing what you said, agree with it and stating they did it by making her look like big sister.
where i live there are barely any woman with masive chins.
do californian woman are just men in wigs or are the monstruosities from insmouth???
"Unlike the male hero, *the female has no turbo charged V-12 chin* ." I laughed up about two cups of lung butter reading that one haha
Another example of the left taking an objectively correct statement and giving it a sarcastic tone, thinking it somehow dismantles the objectively correct statement.
Yes, strong jawlines looking heroic IS exclusive to male characters, thank you very much.
"No, but I laughed at the statement. Therefore, it has been deboonked."
@@marchmelloow”I called you a nootzi, checkmate.”
It's funny because they fail to acknowledge how some characters in-universe are often mocked or otherwise called out for having, well, massive "assets", a la Power Girl...
Heroic woman are pretty easy to do well, motherly instinct to protect, make it come from that and usually you get a great character. And now you realize too why they can't make good female characters anymore, because they don't think mothers are a thing.
This is true. When I paint miniatures, and want to make clear the miniature represents a woman on a head/body that would otherwise look pretty much androgynous, I paint eyelines, and very slightly rosy cheeks, or lips. It is subtle, yet defining.
At this point every reasonable persons knows they are lying and malicious.
This video. I saw the notification when it was released, but I couldn't watch it then. I now tried to find it again.
Nothing in notifications.
No results with the channel name.
Found it once I came to the channel.
I've heard about such happenings often during the past ten years, but never have I experienced it myself. Suppressed?
Could be supression but more likely that it's just youtube incompetence or yet another sign of the website decaying.
Activists are never about building anything up, be it games, cartoons, movies, or shows. It's only about either remaking things to suit themselves and their Modern Audiences ideology, or tearing them down altogether. Look at MCU....it was built up on classic marvel stories and fanboy dollars but after hitting multibillion dollar success, out came all the activists and ppl who NEVER cared about superheroes or SW or such before, demanding jobs in the industry and representation in all media. And now that things have crashed from MCU to comics to Doctor Who (cares).....all they can do is scream that the fanboys should be more supportive....because Modern Audience are not flocking to the theaters or local comic book shops, not buying the DEI SBI games, not spending their money on these IPs...
It's interesting and confusing that the industry is trying to go against basic human preference.
A way to make a woman look heroic is to give her sharper features. No one has an issue with Gal Gadot besides her acting. She looks it and she has a pretty masculine build compared to most women while still looking feminine. Looking feminine isn't a 4 letter word I assure you.
A hero embodies an ideal.
There are overlapping ideals between men and women, but they tend to be immaterial. Physicality enters the picture when it comes to the "embodiment" part, hence the differences between depictions of heroes and heroines.
Since Adam and Eve we've worked together to help our odds with this fallen world we exist in. It makes perfect sense the devil would try to take that beautiful connection and destroy it.
He does want to destroy anything that reminds him of god.
Baeutity being one of them.
3:40 Funny thing about this is that this show was already in the early stages of going woke. Hal Jordan was replaced with a black man, and both Wonder Woman and Hawkgirl tended to behave in a masculine, even brutish manner.
They are basically self reporting on themselves, it's just they think what makes women look heroic is to look like buff and gruff generic 90s action hero.
What if.... what makes a person "look heroic" isnt what they look like, but how they present themself?
Like posture?
Expresion of their face?
Their deeds?!
Yes, you can have "body types" that look "heroic", thats why Hercules/ Superman/ Batman/ Thor looks like they eat steroids for breakfeast, lunch and dinner. But what I want to say is, dont judge book by its looks, there are more ways to "look heroic" than having more muscle mass than Mister Olympic.
It's funny but one of the more heroic moments that always stuck with me was when in the Captain America movie when Steve is hanging out with Bucky at Conney Island and after that part where it shows him not measuring up to the outline of a soldier, when he gets into that fight he knows he's going to get his ass kicked but it didn't matter he was going to fight for what was right to him and as he said "I didn't hear no bell!" That is heroism, the ability to stand up for what is right no matter the cost to yourself, you don't have to be strong in body to do that only strong in soul.
I wonder how much of the decline in acting has to do with how many mainstream, adult actors of today were child actors in the past, and really don’t have any life experiences beyond Hollywood. Would be interesting to see a study on that. That and laziness 😂.
Is funny how they can say with a straight face that there are no difference between men and women but then say that a trans person need years of hormones just to look like the other sex is ridiculous 😂
It's even funnier when they insist that trans don't need to take hormones to count as "men" or that trans "men" are just men, no need for the trans label.
They always gaslight you when they have no argument.
There are a few exceptions to the rules that are well done (not the jawline thing), such as Power Girl's big chest or She Hulk with muscles (e.g. John Bryne's Sensational She-Hulk). You have no trouble recognizing that Bryne's She Hulk is female, even with her muscles.