How Far We Have Fallen - From A Heart Of Ice Too A Tramp Stamp - The Defilement Of Nora Fries

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  • čas přidán 2. 06. 2024
  • The modern day woke movement is pathologically and doctrinally programed to desecrate everything that belongs to the normal world order. And never before has this been more amply demonstrated then by it's treatment of Nora Fries. She was created to give depth and motivation to Mr. Freeze and in Batman the Animated Series episode Heart of Ice the two created one of the finest examples of animated entertainment the world had and still has ever seen. But today Nora Fries is a woman that will sleep with any one and anything! a woman who only cares for satisfying her own immediate urges in abject mockery of the sacrifice of her husbands life... Nora has become the 2024 version of Justine and Juliette, a desecration of everything good because just like marquise du sade could not help himself, the modern disciples of the left can not stop their own reaction from destroying good.
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  • @LordNithilus
    @LordNithilus Před měsícem +2531

    "Think of it Batman, To never again walk on a summers day with the hot wind in your face and a warm hand to hold. Oh yes, I'd kill for that."

    • @Warrior-Of-Virtue
      @Warrior-Of-Virtue Před měsícem +342

      "You want to live like this!? Abandoned and alone!? A prisoner in a world you can see but never touch!? Old and infirm as you are, I'd trade a thousand of my frozen years for your worst day."

    • @curtisthornsberry4236
      @curtisthornsberry4236 Před měsícem +82

      "Ice to meet you"

    • @cledgefenrir5681
      @cledgefenrir5681 Před měsícem +34

      @@curtisthornsberry4236 "Hey, there Freeze. I'm Batman"

    • @RobotTanuki
      @RobotTanuki Před měsícem +81

      "What killed the dinosaurs? THE ICEEEEEE AGGEEEEEEE"

    • @elitegamer9310
      @elitegamer9310 Před měsícem +20

      ​@@RobotTanuki "I'm all out of Ice puns."

  • @brasstonberry3266
    @brasstonberry3266 Před měsícem +2069

    “Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.” - J.R.R. Tolkien

    • @georgeprchal3924
      @georgeprchal3924 Před měsícem +29

      Not comply true, evil did create 2 Death Stars.

    • @keklord4128
      @keklord4128 Před měsícem +121

      ​@@georgeprchal3924 the death star is canonically basically a high powered supersized lightsaber that uses the same kyber crystals originally used in lightsabers which were a jedi invention

    • @smugwendigo5123
      @smugwendigo5123 Před měsícem +13

      For the last time Tolkien didnt say that

    • @carsoncasmirri3874
      @carsoncasmirri3874 Před měsícem +15

      The older I get the more I understand how true that is

    • @dragonmaster1360
      @dragonmaster1360 Před měsícem +43

      @smugwendigo5123
      Yes. Yes, he did. It's a paraphrase of quotes from two of his works, Return of the King and Silmarillion.

  • @fistimusmaximus6576
    @fistimusmaximus6576 Před měsícem +250

    So mr freeze cured her disease, then she went and got some more.

    • @cro-magnoncarol4017
      @cro-magnoncarol4017 Před měsícem +14

      Mister Freeze: *Looking from heaven meme*

    • @Infamous1892
      @Infamous1892 Před měsícem +12

      Modern day romance.

    • @damashep
      @damashep Před 26 dny +1

      To be fair, the modern Nora is the more realistic female character

  • @metallord6960
    @metallord6960 Před měsícem +75

    In another timeline, we have Nora Fries becoming a vigilante hellbent on killing those who killed her beloved husband until Batman reminds her that Victor wouldn't want her to live for revenge. She slowly learns to fight for justice and slowly starts to open herself up to love once more. WHY ARE WE STUCK IN THE WORST TIMELINE?!

    • @Nimble.ninja910
      @Nimble.ninja910 Před měsícem +19

      We have incompetent writers. I realized quickly that if i want these cool stories i’ll just have to write and draw them myself.

  • @MrLolguy93
    @MrLolguy93 Před měsícem +3174

    That Harley Quinn show was not made out of love for fans. It was for cat ladies and wine aunts with Daddy issues and no eggs

    • @user-cs4su3ng9l
      @user-cs4su3ng9l Před měsícem +16

      Why?

    • @AnthonyDaFox
      @AnthonyDaFox Před měsícem +249

      My Aunt is a Cat lady and she hates this show, She thinks it character Assassination

    • @GreyKnight7777
      @GreyKnight7777 Před měsícem +58

      Along with Batman Brave and the Bold it's one of the better things I've seen done with the license since Justice League Unlimited. It's irreverent but clever and clearly made by fans of the DCAU. It just might not be your thing.

    • @streptococo4735
      @streptococo4735 Před měsícem +338

      @@GreyKnight7777 "clever" goddamn, when penis jokes and insults are clever, then society has definitely failed.
      the Harley Quinn shitshow fundamentally ruined Harley, why? because we are pretending she should STILL EXIST even after being separated from the Joker, that right there is character assasination, i dont care how they spin it, it doesnt matter, if anything is weird she stills has the nickname her abusive BF gave her, same clothes, SAME FUCKING GOALS.
      makes no fucking sense.

    • @woldemunster9244
      @woldemunster9244 Před měsícem

      @@user-cs4su3ng9l Because the "creators" are cat ladies with daddy issues and have no eggs.

  • @Sam-lf3hn
    @Sam-lf3hn Před měsícem +1971

    The best modern Nora Fries is the one that appears in Arkham Knight. After being released from cryostasis, she is doomed to die. But she still loves her husband and wants to spend her final days with him. Together, they leave Gotham and are never seen or heard from again.

    • @arnowisp6244
      @arnowisp6244 Před měsícem +300

      No better way to end Mr Fries story. Than to their last days with each other.

    • @markchapman3457
      @markchapman3457 Před měsícem +42

      I’d say Batman & Mr freeze subzero was better

    • @VallornDeathblade
      @VallornDeathblade Před měsícem +176

      I'm a big fan of Batman Beyond's Mr Freeze episode Meltdown. "Leave me, you're the only one who cares." is such a perfectly sad line for him to end on.

    • @BlueSatoshi
      @BlueSatoshi Před měsícem +74

      ​@@VallornDeathbladeHe says "Believe me" there, not "Leave me"

    • @VallornDeathblade
      @VallornDeathblade Před měsícem +25

      @@BlueSatoshi Ah I must have missheard, thanks.

  • @PhillyCh3zSt3ak
    @PhillyCh3zSt3ak Před měsícem +284

    The worst part is, this hedonistic character can hypothetically work with a writer and series that doesn't hate the characters. I literally came up with this in the shower as a shower thought:
    Freeze dies saving his wife. Nora, surrounded by a bunch of literal psychopaths that have borderline no empathy form a toxic relationship with her and she isn't able to properly grieve her husband's sacrifice. She falls into the destructive and hedonistic habits and lifestyle portrayed already in the show. Catwoman, being one of the only few people that can be considered as to have a moral compass in Batman's rogues gallery of villainesses, confronts her about her destructive behaviors and the toxic relationships with the other villainesses slowly destroying her and asks if this is how she wants to honor her husband's sacrifice. They have a touching scene showing how broken and vulnerable she is. Hell, it could even have flashbacks of Nora being in stasis but what Victor never knew is that she could hear everything. His desperate attempts and failings to search for a cure. Things he said that he thought she'd never hear or had ever heard him say. Things that showed how human he was underneath the mask of an ice cold killer. How he was going through his own grief and never properly worked through it. Catwoman convinces her to cut ties to Harley and Ivy and get professional help, she finds friends outside of villainy and a support structure, and comes to the conclusion as to how to honor her husband's sacrifice by doing something noble. And whatever that noble thing is left vague for people to further expand on in the future.
    There you go. It's a freebie, writers. Has a good message about seeking and accepting help. To grieve for losses in a healthy way and not use self-destructive means to cope. To keep company with non-toxic people. Release it during a mental health month for awareness if you want. June is Men's Mental Health Awareness Month. I came up with this in 30 minutes as a shower thought and I'm in no way a professional writer.

    • @fojisan2398
      @fojisan2398 Před měsícem

      Already way better than the drivel these "people" at DC have made

    • @autobotstarscream765
      @autobotstarscream765 Před měsícem +56

      And the best part is that it would have a moral for the protagonist, Harley, and thus matter to the series as a whole: what the writers have done with Harley and how she passes it along to everyone she meets would have reached the point of her becoming the very thing she fought to broke free of, as she now naturally corrupts everything and everyone pure...just like Mr. J did to her, and is now doing through her, the cycle of abuse renewing once more and becoming exposed to give Harley inspiration for bettering herself and her own example that she gives to those around her.

    • @MaximumPayine
      @MaximumPayine Před měsícem +2

      Ok, now prove its moral.

    • @user-zb7qg6on6m
      @user-zb7qg6on6m Před měsícem +1

      Hahah... Who cares about men mental health? *J, as a woman, I'm very sorry. I'm being sarcastic here because I find most men rather tough up and being unhealthy about their repressed emotions and mostly I am too.
      Happy Mental Healths! (This video is not good for my mental health 💀 I'm watching it like a drug, since recently there are no interesting show imo)

    • @ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel
      @ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel Před měsícem

      Right, okay, but this is *comedy show,* first and foremost, characters pretty much need to be funny for most of their time on it.

  • @marcelosilveira2276
    @marcelosilveira2276 Před měsícem +79

    In the Harley Quin show every man is either sexist or cheated on. It is almost like they are telling you "if you don't want to get cheated on, be sexist"

    • @autobotstarscream765
      @autobotstarscream765 Před měsícem +25

      When the feminist cartoon is incelpilled 😂

    • @Infamous1892
      @Infamous1892 Před měsícem +2

      That's not totally inaccurate.

    • @Eking-su3tr
      @Eking-su3tr Před měsícem +4

      @@Infamous1892nah it is, left out the part of being gay asl too

  • @dretchlord873
    @dretchlord873 Před měsícem +949

    "Purity offends them on a deep personal level as they see something good, something virtuous and they know they are not it thus they have to destroy it"
    One of your greatest quotes for sure

    • @Stormmblade
      @Stormmblade Před měsícem +62

      It's like the female equivalent for the horror of catching a glimpse of yourself in the reflection of your computer monitor when the power goes out. Lol.

    • @TheTaintedWisdom
      @TheTaintedWisdom Před měsícem +23

      It certainly is a great representation of how disgusting they are when contextualized by his rhetoric and choice of words throughout the video I'll say that...

    • @elijahmiller3989
      @elijahmiller3989 Před měsícem +8

      Where is that quote from it sounds good I am interested.

    • @JohnDoe-og2bt
      @JohnDoe-og2bt Před měsícem +5

      ​@@TheTaintedWisdomThey don't need any of that to be disgusting. Its the words *they* use which obscures the fact

    • @ThisguySL
      @ThisguySL Před měsícem +1

      If that's the case then do I even want to know what his stupider quotes sound like? Sheesh...

  • @thomastegroen1274
    @thomastegroen1274 Před měsícem +1721

    > BTAS reinvigorates Mr. Freeze's story
    > Wide acclaim, wins awards
    > BTAS creates Harley Quinn
    > Initially beloved character, gets inserted everywhere
    > Harley adapted as feminist icon, obscures her original appeal
    > Mr. Freeze's story is mostly untouched & still remembered in its purest form
    > Harley Quinn gets her own show
    > Harley Quinn fights tooth & nail to destroy Mr. Freeze's story
    There's a lesson here, somewhere.

    • @NewCanada
      @NewCanada Před měsícem +223

      The lesson? Don't do social justice. Not even once.

    • @mikkelnpetersen
      @mikkelnpetersen Před měsícem +162

      The lesson is "everything woke turns to sh*t"

    • @konobuzoggu239
      @konobuzoggu239 Před měsícem +204

      i will never understand why they chose the abused psycopath with daddy issues as their champion
      unless...

    • @georgestauber2636
      @georgestauber2636 Před měsícem

      @@konobuzoggu239 Projection

    • @Theranthrope
      @Theranthrope Před měsícem +59

      BtAS even did the infamous Harley Quinn creampie scene _tastefully._

  • @bakaforlove
    @bakaforlove Před měsícem +376

    Original Nora was someone you’d fight for, die for, while the new one is a one night stand you quickly forget after a few more beers.

    • @kemious9361
      @kemious9361 Před měsícem +10

      The Orginal Nora wasn't even a character she was a plot piece

    • @kennethsatria6607
      @kennethsatria6607 Před měsícem +20

      Yeah that was Victor's whole deal too, they were a married couple who would do anything for one another

    • @kennethsatria6607
      @kennethsatria6607 Před měsícem +24

      @@kemious9361 Yes but making her an asshole who disregarded her husband's struggles is not helping anything

    • @kemious9361
      @kemious9361 Před měsícem +14

      ​@@kennethsatria6607 I'll agree with you that Harley Quinn definetely did mutate alot of the staples around Gotham and made them far less sympathatic .
      However this potrayal of Nora does beg an intersting question. Did Freezes death effect her and is she compying admittedly not well to the love of her life dying as well as the world being very different from the time she's been in cry sleep?
      Or has this always been aspects of Nora that Freeze glazed over in his rememberance of her. Perhaps he's always ignored the toxic parts of her. Maybe because she's been in cyro sleep so long that maybe he's idolized her and forgotten her flaws.
      IF this were explored it might lead to a more interesting reflection on the character

    • @kennethsatria6607
      @kennethsatria6607 Před měsícem +10

      @@kemious9361 It would be nice if they had that humanizing addition but what we have is people just making her a supervillain too or... This whole thing making her overly toxic and subverting expectations.
      There has been elseworld stories saying Nora was a party animal and Freeze was dominating and actually liked her better in a frozen coma.
      In 52 they werent even married Freeze was just obsessed with a random frozen patient he became delusional and thought of her as his wife.
      Its all just cynical tale after cynical take.
      TAS ended with Nora waking up and marrying someone else because its been years and Victor was assumed dead at that point. The latter happy to see her safe and alive and thats still the best we got because his whole character is based on self sacrifice and devotion.
      Why do people wanna twist and corrupt that into something toxic is beyond me.

  • @bitharne
    @bitharne Před měsícem +126

    "There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men bad enough for such treachery."
    Came to mind when I saw the clip of Nora talking about getting an STD.

    • @isaacdyer6556
      @isaacdyer6556 Před měsícem +6

      There's a condemning phrase in US-Southern that works. "Bless their little hearts".

  • @EireHammer
    @EireHammer Před měsícem +1268

    1990's Nora: Peak feminity.
    2023 Nora: a napkin with a name.

    • @CTC41392
      @CTC41392 Před měsícem +113

      Or likely a phone number in the bathroom stall.

    • @Shedovv
      @Shedovv Před měsícem

      @@CTC41392 I think a "napkin" in the OPs case is a more polite. YT friendly way to say the "term" 'cum-rag'.

    • @Self-replicating_whatnot
      @Self-replicating_whatnot Před měsícem +67

      The literal case of "they hate it 'cause they ain't it".

    • @isaacdyer6556
      @isaacdyer6556 Před měsícem +8

      @@Self-replicating_whatnot TRUTH!

    • @dragonhunter6157
      @dragonhunter6157 Před měsícem +16

      It's a comedy show it's not that deep bro

  • @dejannincic9671
    @dejannincic9671 Před měsícem +828

    You can tell that the writers of this show are either single or in a loveless marriage

    • @lightborn9071
      @lightborn9071 Před měsícem +107

      They never felt love to begin with.

    • @knox7945
      @knox7945 Před měsícem +71

      Mr. Freeze had more emotions than these chumps.

    • @bitharne
      @bitharne Před měsícem +35

      @@knox7945 Mostly Chumpettes (Benders' 7th most said word).

    • @MarkFin9423
      @MarkFin9423 Před měsícem

      The vast majority of relationships are loveless these days thanks to feminisms. It's all either based on instant physical gratification, or the man is a "tuck" and is only kept around by the woman for the man's finances which she will use to raise someone else's kids.

    • @red_five3325
      @red_five3325 Před měsícem +36

      And they're the sole reasons why their respective marriages have no love.

  • @Jaeger_Bishop
    @Jaeger_Bishop Před měsícem +96

    Mr Freeze's appearance in Batman Beyond was even more tragic... you could tell, if any of Batman's villains could be redeemed, it was him.
    Sadly, the world only wanted to use him after his resurrection. You end up wanting so much for this guy to turn it around, for him to get a happy ending. Sadly, he dies alone, depressed and unloved.
    Terry Batman: "But you'll die!"
    Mr Freeze: "Trust me, you're the only one that cares", that last line really hits you right in the gut.... So you can imagine how much it infuriates me, to see what they did to him in modern times.
    Now they even bastardized his wife. I hope these people rot in hell.

    • @ch-xr2bx
      @ch-xr2bx Před měsícem +2

      You may feel some momentary discomfort.

    • @LoftOfTheUniverse
      @LoftOfTheUniverse Před měsícem +1

      Sadly, they will unless they repent and turn to Christ.

  • @MrGodsNomad
    @MrGodsNomad Před měsícem +85

    From Frozen Atlas to Stone Cold Simp.
    Mister Freeze Deserves Better.
    Gone is Nora’s Virtue, Femininity, and Dignity.
    Rest In Peace Victor Freeze

    • @isaacdyer6556
      @isaacdyer6556 Před měsícem +14

      And alongside him, his beloved Nora. This booze-guzzling party doll isn't Nora Freeze in the slightest. This is a pod-person.

  • @elijahherstal776
    @elijahherstal776 Před měsícem +1164

    The worst thing about these vandals- there is nothing they cherish and hold sacred, so the same cannot be done in return to them.

    • @CrazyGamer996
      @CrazyGamer996 Před měsícem

      Yes you can, take away their recognition and existence(not physically). Make it so that they become what they once were, social outcasts that are forgotten and ignored by everyone. To be fair the only reason this hasn't been done successfully is because people with a lot of money need useful idiots and also want the destruction of everything .

    • @theravenousrabbit3671
      @theravenousrabbit3671 Před měsícem +1

      Reminds me of islamists tearing down the statues of ancient Akkad and the first civilizations of the Euphrates. The destruction of priceless artifacts from the dawn age of mankind's rise to world dominion. I hate these creatures, so foul, so weak, so contemptuous that they will never create something so ornate and beautiful that they must destroy it to feel good.

    • @lmanher
      @lmanher Před měsícem +123

      By protecting all that is sacred, all that is holy and right. They loose their marbles, remember we are stronger than them. We have the moral high ground.

    • @droughty666
      @droughty666 Před měsícem +100

      Kind right but not exactly, they cherish destroying our hobbies and turning it against us (great example, Snowbreak a weeb game that went in the fanservice rout so english VAs said they don't want to work on it anymore).
      So the thing we can do in turn is to gatekeep and try to take back what was co opted, because our happiness is sure to make them fume.

    • @GreyKnight7777
      @GreyKnight7777 Před měsícem +3

      IDK man Harley Quinn is a pretty good show.

  • @canaan_banana
    @canaan_banana Před měsícem +1936

    I gave up on modern entertainment a long time ago.

    • @veameal9725
      @veameal9725 Před měsícem +29

      This YT video is now your entertainment.
      Your humor became morose.

    • @user-cs4su3ng9l
      @user-cs4su3ng9l Před měsícem +38

      I wish it didn't had to be this way

    • @morsmagne
      @morsmagne Před měsícem +19

      @@veameal9725 When generative AI can create tailor-made entertainment, the Disney-like people won't have a creative career but they could create things as a hobby

    • @robertbeisert3315
      @robertbeisert3315 Před měsícem

      ​@morsmagne they'll create the garbage the AI regurtates into your entertainment.
      You will not be permitted to escape.

    • @gusty9053
      @gusty9053 Před měsícem +16

      And then Razorfist mentioned The Shadow (and other pulps), old westerns (Paladin) and Battletech.

  • @TheGloriousHawk
    @TheGloriousHawk Před měsícem +47

    Fries was my favorite villain because i idealized the love and loyalty that he and his wife had for each other. watching the vile desecration of such a beautiful relationship fills my heart with sadness. as such i am starting to understand the line "the only reward for tolerance is treachery." with every day that passes, where the things i love are constantly being corrupted, poisoned and destroyed, my capacity for tolerance wanes.
    "This is how I'll always remember you, surrounded by winter, forever young. Rest well, my love. The monster that took you from me will soon learn that revenge is a dish best served cold." Mr Freeze: Heart of Ice

    • @caioaugusto1606
      @caioaugusto1606 Před měsícem

      Yes, and it's SO GOOD to read sane people like you, because the internet makes it seem like everyone has gone insane simultaneously.
      Seriously, NEVER try to discuss this on Reddit or Twitter, or you'll want to give up and live in a cave, because it will look like humanity as a whole has lost it's rationality.

  • @willpower8061
    @willpower8061 Před měsícem +28

    Considering this is coming from that Harley Queer show, none of this matters.
    No one considers this canon as opposed to Batman animated.
    Its just more self projection.

    • @caioaugusto1606
      @caioaugusto1606 Před měsícem +2

      But if the show is a success, it's writers could be hired for more jobs and the disease would spread.
      But yes, the damage this makes is minimal... For now.

    • @willpower8061
      @willpower8061 Před měsícem +2

      @@caioaugusto1606 I would agree, however it's not a success and they'll fail upwards via the alphabet npcs.

    • @caioaugusto1606
      @caioaugusto1606 Před měsícem +2

      @@willpower8061 Yeah, for this particular show, I agree.
      But that kind of attitude was the exact same as a lot of people 10 years ago, who denied things were being ruined out of spite. Just saying you can never be too careful.

    • @ZeroNumerous
      @ZeroNumerous Před měsícem +1

      @@willpower8061 Yes. And?
      They're still failing upward. They're gaining MORE power over MORE things. Success or not, it's blatantly clear by now that things we loved are being rotted from the inside. No amount of success or failure will stop them.

  • @madddogg8044
    @madddogg8044 Před měsícem +764

    Only the modern feminists would hate a character who is utterly devoted to his wife, loving her more than himself and sacrificing any and everything for her. The sickening mentality pushed on modern women that being loved is bad is weird, exalting them to indulge in self-destructive behavior instead. The reality is that Nora's lifestyle is dangerous and will likely end her life via overdose, STD, or just plain dead from the poor company she keeps getting her killed.

    • @qazhr
      @qazhr Před měsícem +154

      Remember this same people who looked Japanese McDonald ad of a wholesome family moment and claim there either it right wing propaganda or tried to read between the lines and find something wrong about the family

    • @MachineMan-mj4gj
      @MachineMan-mj4gj Před měsícem +1

      People keep saying Islam hates women, but if hate is stopping them from doing this, then what the fuck is the West doing?

    • @Sensorium19
      @Sensorium19 Před měsícem +114

      My experience with feminist is two extremes that often live in the same person. One venerates dangerous promiscuity as "freedom." The other despises men as predators. The exact men they chose over and over again. Their worst hatred was however reserved for "nice guys" and loving men, because the existence of these men implies that some limit should perhaps be placed on their debauched exploits with literal criminals.
      Mr. Freeze's love for his wife implies that she might reciprocate that, which is unacceptable to them. The image of purity and romantic love that Nora Fries represented, locked away behind glass, must have been like a knife through their feminist hearts. Turning her into a cess pool was psychologically necessary.

    • @aj.j5833
      @aj.j5833 Před měsícem +30

      @@Sensorium19 Not just woke women, many "conservative" women says stupid s... like you can't expect us not to w.ore around after we turn 18.

    • @theonpointheavy4401
      @theonpointheavy4401 Před měsícem

      Only badboys get them excited after all, they mock all men with loyalty and morality because they simutaneously crave the excitement of a badboys sclong and despise other women being happy with something they have decided is idealogically oppresive.
      Of course they are wrong and stupid as always, but when has that ever stopped jealous and spiteful mutants.

  • @MultiCommissar
    @MultiCommissar Před měsícem +644

    the Harley Quinn show was made by people who watched The Venture Bros but didn't understand a single thing about it.

    • @kirbyfan4
      @kirbyfan4 Před měsícem +76

      So, people who watch drawn together

    • @sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462
      @sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462 Před měsícem +8

      @MultiCommissar
      COMMISSAR FUKLAW! SEND IN THE ANGRY MARINES! WE NEED YOU!

    • @goddessofchaos7754
      @goddessofchaos7754 Před měsícem +11

      ​@@kirbyfan4 dont disrespect Drawn Together like that

    • @MeisterSchwabbo
      @MeisterSchwabbo Před měsícem

      Even drawn together can deliver tragic scenes. ​@@kirbyfan4

    • @mikeomnic3515
      @mikeomnic3515 Před měsícem +6

      Hey I thought venture bros was actually good unlike the Harley show

  • @Malefactor
    @Malefactor Před měsícem +81

    Almost as bad as how Marvel ruined the Punisher. They brought back his dead wife, who's murder was the impetus for Frank Castle's entire crusade, only to have her lambast him for everything he's done. She filed for divorce, sold off all his safe houses and armaments, and donated all the money to charities. Then to really seal the deal, Frank Castle was erased from existence. Like full on It's an Wonderful Life erasure.

    • @gregdaweson4657
      @gregdaweson4657 Před měsícem +21

      His wife shoulda stayed in the grond if she's that left wing.

    • @autobotstarscream765
      @autobotstarscream765 Před měsícem +19

      And let me guess: he wished for/supported his own deletion, like when he told his own fans to stop liking him and go follow the All-New, All-Different Captain America.

    • @SuperCanayaZ
      @SuperCanayaZ Před měsícem +18

      Damn. And I thought that "One More Day" arc, was a bad story that screwed up poor Peter. They are practically raping the Punisher.

    • @autobotstarscream765
      @autobotstarscream765 Před měsícem

      @@SuperCanayaZ Probably revenge against Garth Ennis for practically raping all the other heroes. The Western comicbook industry doesn't want to pay for talent, so they hire hacks for peanuts that write out of spite over their pissing contests instead of to entertain audiences or tell stories.

    • @Awesomeisme7000
      @Awesomeisme7000 Před měsícem +12

      Not only that, she planned to file for divorce before she would be killed.

  • @SuperDachande
    @SuperDachande Před měsícem +19

    "There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men for this treachery ..."

  • @Kerruo
    @Kerruo Před měsícem +493

    I don't really care what they do with DC anymore, but destroying the tragic love story that is Nora and Victor....fucking disguisting.

    • @AzraelThanatos
      @AzraelThanatos Před měsícem +18

      Victor's end fate in the DCAU was also tragic there with only two people really caring there, and only one was really sympathetic with him.

    • @user-hd5nn5ln6o
      @user-hd5nn5ln6o Před měsícem +19

      there were so many things the writers could have done with Victor and Nora. but, they decided to do this crap. WHY?!

    • @MaximumPayine
      @MaximumPayine Před měsícem

      What's disgusting is that the conservative men cut off their own genitals because they couldn't have any if they let this slop happen.

  • @zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba0
    @zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba0 Před měsícem +634

    Nothing wholesome is allowed anymore. Victor and Nora were fan favorites because they were victims of circumstance. Combined with Victors cold attitude but burning passion. True juxtaposition. And the hopeless romantics, myself included loved it, cause it was artistically beautiful. Over the Years of trying to retcon Victor as some obsessed professor with a rape-cicle in the freezer. Or Nora wasn't even his wife. Is evidence they just want to destroy anything beautiful. Even fiction.

    • @cptndunsel2670
      @cptndunsel2670 Před měsícem +112

      Men cannot be allowed to be seen as good or virtuous in any way.

    • @RipOffProductionsLLC
      @RipOffProductionsLLC Před měsícem +32

      Hell, even the darker interpretation that Mr. Freeze has an unhealthy obsession with Norah, that he should just let her die and move on instead of everything he's done "for her", is a far better twist on their story since there's plenty of room for either case to be true in any version of the story because we never get to know Norah, her relationship with Victor, or anything else except through Mr. Freeze's own biased filter of his frozen/dead wife...
      After all, he is still a villain, it's okay for him to span that whole gambit from purely sympathetic husband resorting to crime to save his wife, to creepy pseudo stalker who can't let go of the past.
      Batman villains are frequently defined by mental illness after all...

    • @dragonlord498
      @dragonlord498 Před měsícem +14

      All forms of beauty must go weather it's
      Physical which typically is mix just general physical healthy and showing viability as a mate. But nope have to make woman both real imagined look deformed such as looking like a guy or they can't have secondary sex traits like breasts or other signs of sexual maturity. But at least it's still perfectly fine to have good looking guys everywhere still....
      Or mental such as family oriented love or genuine romantic interest between men and women that leads to it. Because anything other then lust or other things I probably can't say directly is wrong in their world view of being sociopaths why they relate more with unhinged villains like Harley then heroes usually.

    • @darkzeroprojects4245
      @darkzeroprojects4245 Před měsícem +13

      I seen nsfw with more wholesomeness than this shlock...When lewd art can have more wholesome stuff than this show, thats how sad it is.

    • @dragonlord498
      @dragonlord498 Před měsícem +4

      @@darkzeroprojects4245 ya i've played and read such games/books/comics with genuinely good relationships much better then western entertainment has typically displayed in a while with the physical stuff being because they love one another not just love or often turns into love. unlike most of what they push from western sources which just want pure lust and keep it that way.

  • @nekorush5333
    @nekorush5333 Před měsícem +17

    In Batman Beyond Nora and Victor are cured but they end up divorced because she can't forgive him for the crimes he committed in his search for a cure.

    • @fojisan2398
      @fojisan2398 Před měsícem +17

      That's a way more reasonable take on her disliking him and leaving him.

    • @kathrineici9811
      @kathrineici9811 Před měsícem +12

      See that makes sense. She would be hugely hurt by what he’s done and would try to live a normal, quiet life away from him. (Normal does not mean becoming a whore)

    • @matthewfuhrmeister4817
      @matthewfuhrmeister4817 Před měsícem +8

      nora's long dead in beyond, and Victor isnt cured. Victor's conciousness was transferred to a clone body and he tried to honor nora's memory by founding a charity, only to discover that the procedure was a failure and his genetic mutation returned. He then relapsed into Mr. Freeze and eventually died saving Batman

  • @einrauser6103
    @einrauser6103 Před měsícem +20

    "But it's Canon!" has never been so damning or worthy of scorn as it is today.

  • @madzman7214
    @madzman7214 Před měsícem +419

    It's ironic that a lot of kids' shows are surprisingly mature with plenty of wit, but adult shows are very immature and glad to make things vulgar for a cheap joke

    • @CaptainPoseidon282
      @CaptainPoseidon282 Před měsícem +54

      I, as a 12 year old, hate all the adult things on the internet right now. my class really has a lot of people which do really perverted things. I don't even want to say it

    • @madzman7214
      @madzman7214 Před měsícem +14

      @CaptainPoseidon282 The internet in a nutshell

    • @CaptainPoseidon282
      @CaptainPoseidon282 Před měsícem +13

      @@madzman7214 the worst part is its accsesible to kids my age

    • @ragingrat7670
      @ragingrat7670 Před měsícem +27

      You're forgetting shallow and pointless. Almost nothing is carried over from episode to episode let alone season to season. And if there is it's the most superficial stuff imaginable. Unlike a lot of older stuff mainly from the 80's to the earliest twenty teens'. Also a lot of the animation has also declined quit significantly.

    • @madzman7214
      @madzman7214 Před měsícem +8

      @ragingrat7670 each era has its own form of questionable stuff of yuck like the 90s and body HORROR or how the 70s almost killed the animation industry but the good stuff stilled survived we got the ducktales reboot and the news of 2 new seasons for Phineas and Ferb in the works

  • @Snootenhoff
    @Snootenhoff Před měsícem +632

    Nora, what in the ninth circle of heck did they do to you? 🥺

    • @timbow1833
      @timbow1833 Před měsícem +9

      seven and nine hells!

    • @Krysnha
      @Krysnha Před měsícem +20

      Wait nine was not for murderers, iwould said that Nora would go to the of lust, never destine to find love, as for Victor, he would go to purgatory, yes he comit evil acts, butmore than once show he was not a monster, and was ready for sacrifice, if he redem himself in purgatory he could have a new chance in life or even maybe heaven

    • @Snootenhoff
      @Snootenhoff Před měsícem +8

      @@Krysnha It was mostly due to it being frozen i mentioned it 😉 Very fair points though 🙂

    • @Krysnha
      @Krysnha Před měsícem +3

      @@Snootenhoff yes, who know, should watch

    • @Stormcrow_1
      @Stormcrow_1 Před měsícem

      They infected her with feminism.

  • @graemevaughey7432
    @graemevaughey7432 Před měsícem +55

    For the life of me I cannot understand why _The Harley Quinn Show_ never received the same amount of vitriol and backlash as _Velma._ It is every bit as insulting and damaging to the original characters, but is WORSE, since it is spitting on _Batman: The Animated Series_ (A.K.A. the greatest animated TV show ever made -- outside of Anime).

    • @kathrineici9811
      @kathrineici9811 Před měsícem +10

      Probably because even fewer people have been paying attention to it

    • @dimgen1606
      @dimgen1606 Před měsícem

      ​@@kathrineici9811lmao it's one of the most successful hbo shows.

    • @somedandy7694
      @somedandy7694 Před měsícem +11

      I doubt this is the only reason, but Harley being hot probably allowed a lot of fans to turn off their brains and consume product in a way they just couldn't with Velma...who was proud of being ugly.

    • @kathrineici9811
      @kathrineici9811 Před měsícem +5

      @@dimgen1606 I didn’t even know it was a thing until this video

    • @derekpayneszubliminals7723
      @derekpayneszubliminals7723 Před měsícem +16

      Mainly because Season 1 was for a lack of better word, watchable but I honestly think this show was practically warning for shows like Velma. I mean both shows have female protagonist from an iconic franchise(nothing wrong as long it’s done right) but are just as annoying as each other, every other character regardless if they’re heroes or not are mostly unlikable or annoying, and even have a similar animation style and writing. I’m surprised that they haven’t announced a crossover at this point.

  • @striderreborn1467
    @striderreborn1467 Před měsícem +8

    Nora Lost me at season 4 in the HQ episode when she screamed "Down with the Patriarchy!" That's when I knew the show changed for the worse...

    • @guardianforce3460
      @guardianforce3460 Před měsícem +3

      Yea the je ne sais quoi is getting unpleasant. It feels regressive to entertaining and more why I stopped liking alot of modern renditions. Stuff that will not age well.

  • @Rheeve
    @Rheeve Před měsícem +206

    At least Mr. Freeze never got to see the degeneration, granted him getting blessed with the sweet release of oblivion.

    • @kielbasamage
      @kielbasamage Před měsícem +71

      He passed believing his wife still loved him, it's not the perfect end, but I wouldn't take it from him.

    • @monky999monkey
      @monky999monkey Před měsícem +18

      A mercy that if the monsters who write this slop would never have given him. A small kindness even if it was only borne from the fact they cannot plan ahead.

    • @shailennanu5491
      @shailennanu5491 Před měsícem +31

      I got bad news, DC has an afterlife. Dude's probably watching his wife's encounters on repeat.

    • @PeterParker-ff7ub
      @PeterParker-ff7ub Před měsícem +4

      That shouldnt have happened to begin with.

    • @lawrencemorris2261
      @lawrencemorris2261 Před měsícem

      @@shailennanu5491 So this afterlife has secret GoPros that are able to withstand being transitioned to the spirit realm livestreaming and connecting to the screens of relevant souls in it to watch?

  • @rollingknight9800
    @rollingknight9800 Před měsícem +231

    Nora Fries could've been like reverse Mr. Freeze. She could have been a vengeful, cold-hearted, fem-fatal assassin hell bent on killing Harley to avenge her husband's death. She could even but heads with the Justice League, making her a third party in an otherwise "good vs evil" world...
    Or she could be like this...

    • @anvos658
      @anvos658 Před měsícem +45

      Honestly that would be a far better an believable story arch that fits with the over all theme of Mr. Freeze, about how love can lead to villainy.

    • @duncanharrell5009
      @duncanharrell5009 Před měsícem +19

      God that would be awesome…

    • @Benshavit493
      @Benshavit493 Před měsícem +7

      That sounds kinda terrible, instead of continuing with her life you'de have her just be Mr Freeze again, i guess rehashing a villian is something you can do but I prefer having a character who experienced grief to deal with it and then grow and thus becoming better then her husband who while always tried to save her still killed people because he was to sad to think of a better way

    • @justblue3150
      @justblue3150 Před měsícem +5

      Write a fanfic pls

    • @rollingknight9800
      @rollingknight9800 Před měsícem +26

      @@Benshavit493 I never said it was necessarily a "good idea", however, my point is smart writing and a little reverence could make their show's premise work. Problem is that the showrunners only pulled this stunt just to piss people off. Basically they're Reddit athiests

  • @carstennielsen7198
    @carstennielsen7198 Před měsícem +13

    may the modern showwriters be remembered as we remember Judas Iscariot.

  • @sujetodelta1019
    @sujetodelta1019 Před měsícem +75

    Nora back then: a Disney Princess a truly beautiful untouchable
    The Rose in the dome for Mr Freeze beast
    Nora in modern: girl that forgor who saved her and became a girls girl
    Wtf

    • @azairecummings7049
      @azairecummings7049 Před měsícem

      her husband died in front of her and everyone she normally would have turned to for support being her friends and family turned their backs cause of what freeze did the only people she had where Harley ( the one who got her husband killed) and Ivy (a supervillain) she's not a girls girl she a depressed spiral looking for distractions

  • @blankadams3120
    @blankadams3120 Před měsícem +162

    The multiverse excuse can also be used against them, though: "It's canon... somewhere... but that doesn't mean it's canon here"

    • @lightborn9071
      @lightborn9071 Před měsícem +25

      Just because they write down or put it on screen doesn't mean it would be suddenly any more real than the delusions inside their own heads.

    • @brianjohnson5620
      @brianjohnson5620 Před měsícem +4

      Problem is that the Crisis events merges all of the multi universe into one then kill off the version of heroes and family/villains they don't want to continue and leave the one with story they like to continue. I can see them killing Mr. Freeze for this reason in the next crisis event.

    • @merafirewing6591
      @merafirewing6591 Před měsícem

      ​@@brianjohnson5620 we all know two can play that game and can easily destroy their universe.

  • @Vertilgung
    @Vertilgung Před měsícem +1067

    Everything Woke turns to shit

    • @qwads
      @qwads Před měsícem

      Quit it with this silly and untrue take. Everything woke is poopoo, it cannot turn into something it already is!

    • @woldemunster9244
      @woldemunster9244 Před měsícem +36

      Always was, they just gave up on polishing the turds. :D

    • @jadayaindigo7696
      @jadayaindigo7696 Před měsícem

      only one problem there bud...
      the woke left absolutely *LOVES* shit.

    • @rexeleon
      @rexeleon Před měsícem

      normalizing public degeneracy, reject self control.

    • @RadicalQuadMachine
      @RadicalQuadMachine Před měsícem +16

      This show was crap from the beginning

  • @ImmaLittlePip
    @ImmaLittlePip Před měsícem +15

    At first I thought that the harley Quinn show was ok not that bad just a goofy show
    But as it went on the character assassination of beloved characters got worst
    The way they handled batman you can tell it's written by those people on twitter who complain batman is rich and punches poor people

    • @derekpayneszubliminals7723
      @derekpayneszubliminals7723 Před měsícem +3

      And those Twitter users misses the point that Batman punches people who actively terrorize Gotham regardless if they’re rich or poor.

  • @quigonkenny
    @quigonkenny Před měsícem +8

    "Heart of Ice"
    Arguably the greatest single episode of American animation ever put to film. Smart writing, great score, the usual quality voice acting (including a technically pre-Joker appearance by Mark Hamill as Boyle), and an absolutely perfect performance by the late, great Michael Ansara as Freeze. Indeed a masterpiece.

  • @RogueFox2185
    @RogueFox2185 Před měsícem +497

    The Harley Quinn show is modern DC comics to a tee, it has spite seeped into it’s DNA but it pretends to be the class clown in order to lessen the potential frustration one normally would have to seeing such stupidity.

    • @robertbeisert3315
      @robertbeisert3315 Před měsícem +47

      Spite, yes. Stupidity, no.
      The purpose is destruction. Making it good might not offend us enough.

    • @davfree9732
      @davfree9732 Před měsícem +40

      And so Stephen Universe beget the Harley Quinn show, which beget Velma, and Velma beget…. (Sounds of damnation splintering the barrier between worlds.)

    • @GenesisBoi
      @GenesisBoi Před měsícem +20

      What sucks too is that in the season she was released it did show she was a regular person. Its only when they introduced her back for the Bachelorette party they just went "she is a tramp now"

    • @davfree9732
      @davfree9732 Před měsícem +22

      @@GenesisBoi I honestly thought and hoped, in the episode where Victor died that Nora was going to do her level best to kill Harley for what she did... That would have added some decent drama but instead we get Nora a lifeless husk one minute... Banging Maxi Zeus the next.
      I want to say they were tone deaf... But this isn't a bug in the production. It's a feature that repeats ad nauseum.

    • @lawrencemorris2261
      @lawrencemorris2261 Před měsícem

      I absolutely feel like your PP's face right now just after making a comment I tried hard to be funny but know it wasn't

  • @woodwyrm
    @woodwyrm Před měsícem +206

    There is no curse in the thousand or so languages of our world for this betrayal and utter defilement!

    • @e-moshe
      @e-moshe Před měsícem +8

      There actually is.
      It’s called ‘Don’t watch. Don’t give any money. Don’t consume (as they like to put it). Don’t acknowledge.”

  • @snowbunnie1113
    @snowbunnie1113 Před měsícem +74

    Poor Harley Quinn. She used to be such a good character with a tragically relatable story and all of it was thrown away to make her an obnoxious, girl boss feminist mouthpiece and idol for LGBT+ messaging. Nora Fries is just another example of a character who had to be sacrificed and replaced with something ugly for the liberal cause.

    • @justblue3150
      @justblue3150 Před měsícem +9

      I used to think Harley was such an interesting character, between being a psychiatrist falling victim to her patient's manipulation, to being a capable villain in her own right-even capturing Batman on her own-to her deadpool-esque sense of humor and her unique costumes, but now I can't find anything about her I like.
      I never thought they'd touch Nora though. I can see the appeal in reviving and curing her-she is such untapped potential-but to trash on her relationship with her husband, his devotion and their memory is just unbelievable. I always thought Freeze was such an awesome character with room for redemption, but tbh if this is what they turned his wife into, I'm glad he's resting in peace instead. At least he died thinking he cured his wife so she could live a good and happy life.

    • @jreese7436
      @jreese7436 Před měsícem +3

      DC wanted their own Deadpool.

    • @SecretMagician
      @SecretMagician Před měsícem +7

      @jreese7436
      They entirely forgot that characters like Lobo and Ambush Bug exist,​ but i guess as long as they haven't or barely shown up in any media after 2010, they don't exist. Let's be real, she's being pushed because of Margot Robbie's Harley

  • @YourDM64
    @YourDM64 Před měsícem +7

    Imagine dying for your wife only for her to forget about you and sleep with every guy that enters her peripheral.

  • @taxman3749
    @taxman3749 Před měsícem +267

    Honestly I see it as a condemnation of the modern woman.

    • @caalsigo
      @caalsigo Před měsícem +78

      More like projection rather than condemnation

    • @GodwynDi
      @GodwynDi Před měsícem +88

      They're projecting, we're condemning.

    • @Krysnha
      @Krysnha Před měsícem

      More like a projection, a hell, a dystopian disguise as paradise, as she is always doing banal things wiouth a future, wiouth a prospect, Mr Freeze can not feel warm, but he could close his eyes and maybe go back to a pass, and have some warm, these woman can only f every man in her way but no love

    • @SPRX77
      @SPRX77 Před měsícem +3

      Projecting would be the correct word here

    • @MaximumPayine
      @MaximumPayine Před měsícem

      You haven't condemned anything. Just sat and whined and complained which is why this trash exists.

  • @ignis2638
    @ignis2638 Před měsícem +146

    Man...I don't have words for this one chief...this is like watching your dad slave away for years at work doing a horrible job and give his life away only for your mom to forget about him start drinking and then bring home tons of guys, a real gut punch at best

    • @markcarpenter6020
      @markcarpenter6020 Před měsícem +29

      That was probably the writers life and inspiration for their stories.

    • @kingdon7795
      @kingdon7795 Před měsícem +1

      Well this is how all women are like.

    • @kennethsatria6607
      @kennethsatria6607 Před měsícem +1

      @@kingdon7795 Depends on the woman, but its obvious this kind of toxicity in a fictional character really shows how meanspirted the people behind it are

    • @neodeli8127
      @neodeli8127 Před měsícem

      ​@@kingdon7795 ok calm down

  • @senatorarmstrong1233
    @senatorarmstrong1233 Před měsícem +4

    It sucks that they assassinated her character because the scene where Mr freeze sacrifices himself to save her is actually very well written and does his character justice.

  • @mr.normalguy69
    @mr.normalguy69 Před měsícem +7

    80s - early 2000s were probably the golden age of entertainment.

  • @cathulionetharn5139
    @cathulionetharn5139 Před měsícem +623

    Ah yes, a widow grieving after her husband died in order to save her,
    From like what several decades ago society?
    I mean I guess you could argue she is acting out because she cannot cope with his death, but that is still a shittily weak excuse

    • @GreyKnight7777
      @GreyKnight7777 Před měsícem +16

      Do you think 19th century gothic romance sounds like an appropriate vibe for the Harley and Ivy show?

    • @blackaua
      @blackaua Před měsícem +1

      She's 'acting out' because the female show writers are as resentful and spiteful towards healthy straight relationships as they are towards the fans of the IP's they exploit.

    • @DonPetexX
      @DonPetexX Před měsícem +37

      Blame the shows harley. Nora didn't want to go to that half ass Bachelorette party.

    • @personalemail9329
      @personalemail9329 Před měsícem

      ​@@DonPetexXor better yet, blame the writers and directors for such shit characterization.

    • @ChiefCrewin
      @ChiefCrewin Před měsícem +82

      ​@@GreyKnight7777then why did they even add her? They didn't have to.

  • @C0ldIron
    @C0ldIron Před měsícem +123

    The greatest tragedy is the Victor, more than any other villain, has the potential to go hero. There is so much they could do to continue the tragedy but change the circumstance. But because how pure his love and devotion is Victor cannot be allowed to be happy and Nora cannot be the person that would be worthy of such love.

    • @Sorain1
      @Sorain1 Před měsícem +10

      I want an introduction for them that amounts to 'it was going as the original BATS story until-' with Lex Luthor seeing a chance to get a brilliant scientist on his strings, throwing money at the problem and thus putting Victor in a horrible place because a worse villain literally has his wife. (and may actually be working to cure her, just to curve ball the audience. Have him reveal 'the gratitude of a brilliant mind is a grand thing, their enmity is a potential problem I don't need.' at some point, why not?) Freezing Superman might not kill him, but dumping him into cryo stasis would be one way to neutralize him.
      You want a Victor that's a straight up hero? Use him as a secondary character in some team up story, having been helped by someone in the team and using his tech now to try and salvage his reputation for the day his wife is cured.

    • @carsoncasmirri3874
      @carsoncasmirri3874 Před měsícem +11

      He only did what he did out of misguided desperation to save the person he loved most. It’s what makes him so good, how many can say they wouldn’t do the same when faced with such a poor hand as that? Anyone who has felt love can understand what he’s going through all too well.

    • @justblue3150
      @justblue3150 Před měsícem +1

      ​@@Sorain1 so when can we expect those fanfics?

    • @grindingtheaxe3027
      @grindingtheaxe3027 Před měsícem +7

      @@justblue3150 "I don't care if it's a day. Ten years...One hundred years...Thousands. I will cure you." Mr. Freeze swears as he gazes up at Nora's cryo chamber after another trial, another failure. He slams his fist down on his workbench in frustration.
      "No. I must keep going. She will open her eyes one day"
      Almost immediately, a glow catches his attention, not from any of his equipment or his suit. It was from outside his window. "Whatever it is, it isn't important. Nothing is, nothing except..."
      is what he is thinking when the glowing object spoke his name.
      "Victor Fries of Earth. You have a heart that contains great hope. All will be well."

    • @puglove533
      @puglove533 Před měsícem +2

      I would read the hell out of this, make it a fanfic!

  • @wert1234576
    @wert1234576 Před měsícem +9

    I kinda like freeze dying to save a women that was never worth it. It makes him the forlorn hero, a man blinded by the beauty in his own eyes and not what was really there. He sacrificed himself not for Nora but his idea of Nora. It's kinda poetic.

    • @isaacdyer6556
      @isaacdyer6556 Před měsícem +6

      How do you know she wasn't worth it? Mr. Freeze was married to the lady for a while before her illness hit her. If she was as scummy as these hacks made her, he'd not likely think so highly of her.

  • @grothdrakk-slayer725
    @grothdrakk-slayer725 Před měsícem +7

    Imagine going through all of that for the woman you love only to find out she never loved you.

  • @Lagbeard
    @Lagbeard Před měsícem +170

    Mr. Freeze did have an a great backstory, and understandable reasons for being the way he is.

    • @veameal9725
      @veameal9725 Před měsícem +37

      Back when ambiguous villainy was a far less tired and living horse.
      Seems like a generation of creatively destitute individuals cannibalising their predecessors... badly.

    • @Richforce1
      @Richforce1 Před měsícem +8

      Particularly I like how Freeze's love fueled revenge is contrasted against Batman's unshakable pursuit of justice formed by the teachings of the also tragically departed Thomas and Martha Wayne. Batman saves Boyle from Freeze but not from the law, he could have easily stepped aside and let Freeze have his way or kill Freeze to save Boyle, but Batman knew to rekindle hope for justice in the city his parents loved he had to be a symbol, a figure for people to aspire to and that means giving each man his due according to the law. That's why Batman doesn't kill the Joker, that's why he works with commissar Gordon and that's why he ultimately makes a "family" with the Dick Greyson, Tim Drake and Barbra Gordon, while Freeze has a twisted love Batman has a purpose.

  • @mcdoogle_robotman
    @mcdoogle_robotman Před měsícem +74

    What do you expect from people who never had a real relationship, be it in love or friends, they have nothing but hate.

  • @danutmh
    @danutmh Před měsícem +5

    I believe this checks out perfectly for the "modern audience".
    How many times have we heard of women sabotaging each other, especially their relationships . Encouraging a divorce only to get married yourself , for instance.

  • @Le-cp9tr
    @Le-cp9tr Před měsícem +4

    There’s a quote from the Venture Bros creators about how deconstruction eventually becomes reconstruction. It’s a message the Harley Quinn writers never got

  • @Cowboycomando54
    @Cowboycomando54 Před měsícem +160

    I miss the art deco design and style from the Animated Series.

    • @woldemunster9244
      @woldemunster9244 Před měsícem +3

      I have a "special room" for my Arch deco.

    • @robertbeisert3315
      @robertbeisert3315 Před měsícem +20

      Yeah, but that looked good and required technique to pull off. Much easier to reuse assets from every other animation with the magic of computers.

    • @cursedcancersurvivor
      @cursedcancersurvivor Před měsícem

      Art Deco

    • @merafirewing6591
      @merafirewing6591 Před měsícem +1

      ​@@robertbeisert3315 art deco is in a league of its own that modern art can't hold a candle to, even pre world war one art is something else entirely.

  • @Rellikan
    @Rellikan Před měsícem +422

    Nora turning into a w&**e is a massive whiplash of a shift of personality. If you were in a loving monogamous male-female relationship. As a cope, would it not make sense to find another monogamous relationship for Nora to find the same love dynamic?
    The show is so disgusting.
    There is so much more evil propaganda about how to deal with relationships. Such as:
    1. Poison Ivy completely ignoring the emotional vulnerability of Swamp Thing (Ivy ghosts him in his time of emotional need; his wife left him). He pours his heart out in anger and sadness at how Poison Ivy, supposedly his friend, chose to ignore his pleas for a shoulder to cry on (he got divorced). When confronted about this Poison Ivy talks about HERSELF and goes on CRYING ABOUT HERSELF infront of him. Addressing NOTHING of Swamp Thing's deep emotional vulnerability. Instead of taking ACCOUNTABILITY for FAILING HER FRIEND. She cries and cries about potentially losing Frank and how Swamp Thing NEEDS TO HELP HER.
    What is the lesson of this parody show? If you are a woman it is okay and fine to ignore your friend's (perhaps if they're male) needs and it is ok to not feel sorry for failing them.

    • @ZealotOfSteal
      @ZealotOfSteal Před měsícem +55

      Another way to look at it is that all these people are villains. Thus the message is that villains, evil people, do these things.
      I am talking out of my behind, because I've not seen the show and I don't think I will either.

    • @GreyKnight7777
      @GreyKnight7777 Před měsícem +8

      It's almost like Ivy being emotionally absent for those around her is viewed in the context of the show as a negative trait, part of her character arc, and a big piece of her development in that season, or something.

    • @jamesneese7663
      @jamesneese7663 Před měsícem +1

      Only when guys are emotionally unavailable or abusive is it wrong or bad. When women are aholes, it's empowerment. We see it now literally in real life like how a girl can go on a bender, shank guy 108 times, and she insisted she needs understanding and is The Victim. And court agreed.....

    • @JoshBonz
      @JoshBonz Před měsícem +76

      @@GreyKnight7777 That would require actual development though, and those characters reset that all the time. Lessons aren't learned, and everyone resets what feels like every arc.

    • @etrangray-mane8610
      @etrangray-mane8610 Před měsícem

      I'd believe that, if that wasn't the general behavior of women characters in *everything*.​@@GreyKnight7777

  • @lordfrostwind3151
    @lordfrostwind3151 Před měsícem +6

    Consider this, even the cinematic abomination known as Batman and Robin managed to get Freeze and his wife right more than this crap.

  • @dhunter1133
    @dhunter1133 Před měsícem +5

    Modern feminism teaches that feminine power means ultimate narcissism: do whatever you want to do to please yourself no matter how undignified, self-debasing , or unhealthy it might be, because no one has the right to judge you. Curiously, this same modern feminism roundly condemns choosing to focus on home and children because that's in service to "the patriarchy" instead of one's selfish desires, in spite of their previous statement that "no one can judge you." Now, you would THINK that feminism would be about dignity, class, self-respect, self-improvement, et al. yet...those aspects never seem to be mentioned, do they? We should ask why.

  • @emberparadox458
    @emberparadox458 Před měsícem +153

    I'll just leave this here:
    The Harley Quinn show and the Velma show were both made by the same company: HBO Max.

    • @xientau9028
      @xientau9028 Před měsícem +17

      And by the same kind of toxic people.
      I'm glad I haven't watched more than 2 episodes of either one, the reviews have gone into great detail on what I have supposedly missed, and it honestly seems like I was spared from wasting several hours of my life on trashy rage-bate.

    • @duders307
      @duders307 Před měsícem +5

      suddenly it all makes sense..

    • @billbill6576
      @billbill6576 Před měsícem

      The same gang of degenerates, they can’t create, only corrupt.

    • @DavidMartinez-ce3lp
      @DavidMartinez-ce3lp Před měsícem +8

      They cancelled so many other projects people were actually excited to see, but they released both of those garbage shows. And will probably keep greenlighting them.

    • @tvoovm7254
      @tvoovm7254 Před měsícem +6

      ​@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp, and what makes this even worse is that the Velma show has a second season! A SECOND season no one asked for!!!!

  • @fvardona
    @fvardona Před měsícem +108

    This is genuinely vile...one of the main takes of the story of Dr.Freeze is that he became what he is to save the one who is most dear to him, something which is very human and understandable since many people could understand the villain in a very deeper level since he was not trying to create chaos, hurt people for the fun of it or be rich stealing some bank. No his reasoning was certainly egotistical but one settled in grief and hope to finally save the person he loves the most, many of us if it were in his shoes would do the same, and that is what makes him one of the best villains of the Batman universe.
    However, since nothing is sacred anymore they spitted on all of that making Nora a literal tramp. All his sacrifice, all the suffering and grief was for someone who does not give a 2 rat ass for him. I thank God that this whole fiasco has backfired immensely since no one liked what they had done (at least the people I've have seen talking about it), also the fact that the original will always be there warms my heart to know that in the end, this is only a ret*rd*d take of what the true thing is.

    • @Rellikan
      @Rellikan Před měsícem +1

      On multiple videos of clips of this Nora Freeze there are dozens and dozens of comments cheering for more seasons to come out. People can't wait to see more of this show.

    • @Richforce1
      @Richforce1 Před měsícem +7

      Particularly I like how Freeze's love fueled revenge is contrasted against Batman's unshakable pursuit of justice formed by the teachings of the also tragically departed Thomas and Martha Wayne. Batman saves Boyle from Freeze but not from the law, he could have easily stepped aside and let Freeze have his way or kill Freeze to save Boyle, but Batman knew to rekindle hope for justice in the city his parents loved he had to be a symbol, a figure for people to aspire to and that means giving each man his due according to the law. That's why Batman doesn't kill the Joker, that's why he works with commissar Gordon and that's why he ultimately makes a "family" with the Dick Greyson, Tim Drake and Barbra Gordon, while Freeze has a twisted love Batman has a purpose.
      Our sword, our shield and our battle cry must be "It's ooooooooooooooooooooooooold!"

    • @isaacdyer6556
      @isaacdyer6556 Před měsícem

      @@Rellikan And they are idiots. Better the show cough out like the Loaded Fart it is.

  • @Daredhnu
    @Daredhnu Před měsícem +6

    Honestly in modern times that's probably how it would have turned out, considering the complete lack of morals in today's society.

  • @CanadianPale
    @CanadianPale Před měsícem +8

    I did not need to see Swamp Thing with a man-bun...

  • @Aikurisu
    @Aikurisu Před měsícem +272

    And modern women wonder why men aren't interested in them as much anymore...

    • @alb3598
      @alb3598 Před měsícem +10

      What does this have to do with women in general? What are you interested in? Other guys?

    • @NoobTamer
      @NoobTamer Před měsícem

      @@alb3598 Are you a woman? "If you won't date wh*res, you must be gay!"

    • @giin97
      @giin97 Před měsícem

      ​@@alb3598not women in general, "modern" women; you know, prostitutes.

    • @Chinshellbuford
      @Chinshellbuford Před měsícem +8

      ​@@alb3598I don't think that's
      What the message ment
      Calm down

    • @johnmang2659
      @johnmang2659 Před měsícem

      ​@@alb3598Why? Are you homophobic

  • @contractslivid5118
    @contractslivid5118 Před měsícem +72

    Crazy, how the story was played out so differently. One story is a piece of art, and the other is trashed fully.

  • @ArtisticLayman
    @ArtisticLayman Před měsícem +2

    Back then we had Marquis de Sade, today we have Lily Orchard.

  • @hcook1023
    @hcook1023 Před měsícem +3

    Even in Dragon Ball z abridged, when it came to Android 16 sacrifice they took it as a serious thing even it improved it
    It's amazing that some weekend, part-time parody animators it's such a better grasp on storyteller

  • @mattdelong6582
    @mattdelong6582 Před měsícem +157

    I... I have no words. Mr. Freeze is one of those characters you can't help but feel for, and now this? I... all i can say is that i am glad that at least I can always find something good to read, and then there's always anime to watch. These creators really are like children. Well, if you don't want to play with my toys the way I think they should be played with, then I'll just destroy everything in those toys you like and then you'll leave me alone. Well, i hope a lot of people continue to leave this shit alone.

    • @Richforce1
      @Richforce1 Před měsícem +13

      Particularly I like how Freeze's love fueled revenge is contrasted against Batman's unshakable pursuit of justice formed by the teachings of the also tragically departed Thomas and Martha Wayne. Batman saves Boyle from Freeze but not from the law, he could have easily stepped aside and let Freeze have his way or kill Freeze to save Boyle, but Batman knew to rekindle hope for justice in the city his parents loved he had to be a symbol, a figure for people to aspire to and that means giving each man his due according to the law. That's why Batman doesn't kill the Joker, that's why he works with commissar Gordon and that's why he ultimately makes a "family" with the Dick Greyson, Tim Drake and Barbra Gordon, while Freeze has a twisted love Batman has a purpose.
      Our sword, our shield and our battle cry must be "It's ooooooooooooooooooooooooold!"

    • @Krysnha
      @Krysnha Před měsícem +4

      Indeed, i am watching highspeed etoile, one of the few modern anime is not isekai or shonen, and the main character looses but is not demigrated for loose, but seen these, i sseen modern woman, is just sad, Mr Freeze do everithing for her, and she doesnt even give a crap for him

    • @leahp1765
      @leahp1765 Před měsícem +1

      ​@@Krysnhahe's a criminal

    • @Krysnha
      @Krysnha Před měsícem

      @@leahp1765 Yes, i know, i know, but is sad, well how many of us can see oneself, love a girl or a woman, be family or someone we want as a partner, and like sadgasm said, you paid ofr her dream and only get nice words, in sometimes, you do everithing for her and she didnt even see you

  • @necr0danc3r29
    @necr0danc3r29 Před měsícem +208

    Someone dared to compare this show to Venture Bros to me, and i'm surprised they weren't struck down by the hand of God on the spot.

    • @tomraineofmagigor3499
      @tomraineofmagigor3499 Před měsícem +6

      To be fair I don't like the austhetic of either

    • @GusOfTheDorks
      @GusOfTheDorks Před měsícem +48

      I mean, they have things in common. They both......are made in color, both are intended to be viewed, both are........I was going to say written by humans but that might be a stretch for the harley writters.....OH! Neither require the ability to percieve ultra violet light to be viewed. See? A ton of stuff!

    • @Tycho77
      @Tycho77 Před měsícem +48

      Yeah, I had heard this show was highly rated, and even saw a few clips that were amusing. But then I discovered that they had turned Harley and Ivy into a gay couple and immediately thought "Oh this was made by activists, no thanks, I know were this ends"
      But boy, watching this video I realize you can never quite be prepared enough for the lows these people would gladly go to.

    • @tomraineofmagigor3499
      @tomraineofmagigor3499 Před měsícem +39

      @@Tycho77 characters just aren't allowed to be friends anymore

    • @Tycho77
      @Tycho77 Před měsícem +32

      @@tomraineofmagigor3499 Not only that, every kids cartoon these days is like "hey kids! did you know 90 percent of women are lesbians?"

  • @kohaiame2691
    @kohaiame2691 Před měsícem +3

    This newer version of Nora is not worth becoming a villain over.

  • @nickelakon5369
    @nickelakon5369 Před měsícem +2

    They couldn't even let Mr Freeze be the one to cure Nora, the man who made the technology and the man who should have basically had the exclusive knowledge of any of it. It had to be poison ivy, a character who should have basically no knowledge of any of this.

  • @Wbfuhn
    @Wbfuhn Před měsícem +98

    Mr. Freeze is that villain you can sympathize with.
    His good intentions were tainted by the actions of a greedy corporate leader.
    You can only feel pity and empathy for him.
    The new adaptation of his wife is a shameful disgrace. It's evil. It's the lowest of low. It's the bottom of the barrel.
    Abandon DC like the plague.

    • @AzraelThanatos
      @AzraelThanatos Před měsícem +3

      Yeah, the DCAU managed that even to his last appearance when he goes out as more of a hero, but still someone who only Terry actually believed in by that point.

    • @MaximumPayine
      @MaximumPayine Před měsícem

      Yes, western society is the plague because the men have removed their balls and sat by watching this cr*p happen.

  • @jester9217
    @jester9217 Před měsícem +93

    If you wanted to write a story where Nora goes villain having Harley free here, forcing Victor to give his life to save her would be a good start. Particularly if she gains her husband's condition and attempts to kill Harley and Ivy only for batman to have to save them

    • @MusicFan752
      @MusicFan752 Před měsícem +6

      I could be wrong on this but I think there was a comic where Nora did wake up and she was a straight up villain, not thanks to anyone but was just straight up evil.

    • @MorinehtarTheBlue
      @MorinehtarTheBlue Před měsícem +8

      ​@@MusicFan752I do remember them curing her by means of the Lazarus Pits.
      Which made her permanently insane and only put her beyond Victor's reach in an entirely new way.

  • @jeice13
    @jeice13 Před měsícem +4

    Im not even surprised at this point. Of course they destroyed a wholesome relationship. Its like how seeing a show only has 1 straight white man tells you who the villain will be

  • @somtochukwuobidegwu5426
    @somtochukwuobidegwu5426 Před měsícem +3

    This is why
    comic fans Left DC. the Harley Quinn show is made for fanfic viewers. This is why i watch anime and read foreign comics.

  • @bombvoyage5686
    @bombvoyage5686 Před měsícem +69

    It should be mentioned that de Sade is now considered a rampant serial killer. So take solace that he was evil and we don’t need to respect his ideas, in fact we should reject everything he did off hand.

    • @Rellikan
      @Rellikan Před měsícem +3

      Why is he a serial killer now but he wasn't considered one before? Did new evidence show that he did something?

    • @bombvoyage5686
      @bombvoyage5686 Před měsícem +22

      @@Rellikan yeah I think we found the bodies on his property, I know he was charged for them but they didn’t get him either because he was a noble in late French monarchy. Or because they didn’t have enough to connect him

    • @cousinzeke4888
      @cousinzeke4888 Před měsícem +2

      We didn't really need anything more to conclude that.

    • @eliphas_vlka
      @eliphas_vlka Před měsícem +1

      Sadism comes from him tho...

    • @autobotstarscream765
      @autobotstarscream765 Před měsícem +1

      ​@@eliphas_vlkaAnd this show is definitely sadistic.

  • @clydemarshall8095
    @clydemarshall8095 Před měsícem +211

    The Harley series is entirely desecration. Harley and Ivy were historically just friends, not lesbian lovers.
    I don’t care is some comics did it first. It’s vile and disgusting.

    • @John-fk2ky
      @John-fk2ky Před měsícem +50

      It’s also mentally unhealthy. Harley literally just got out of a bad relationship. She needs at least some time being around people who like her and can’t even be misconstrued as wanting something from her. Making her relationship with Ivy romantic is just asking for trouble, realistically speaking.

    • @lightborn9071
      @lightborn9071 Před měsícem +25

      Not to mention that it doesn't even have anything to do with romance. Just compare it to any actual romance in any story from the early millenia. We have seen romance so many times, everywhere. But here? Nothing, none of the rules of romance writing are followed in any way, indeed, there are more scenes for a hateful relationship, lovebreakers, than anything.

    • @drewjohnson-85
      @drewjohnson-85 Před měsícem +33

      @@John-fk2ky It also makes Ivy worse as a person, Ivy being Harley’s friend who is trying to help her recognize the fact that she’s actually in an abusive relationship with Joker and she needs to leave him for her own safety is a sign that Poison Ivy’s humanity is still in her somewhere, allowing us to sympathize with her and understand why Batman doesn’t just kill her already, because she’s not evil she’s just sick in the head, by making her a bisexual trying to steal Harley away from the Joker you end up with the question of is this about what’s best for Harley or does She simply want to possess Harley because someone else has her.

    • @DelightfullyMADD
      @DelightfullyMADD Před měsícem +18

      Much like how these sickos can't even conceive that two men having a friendship is them being just simple friends and that it has to instead be them secretly gay for each other, these same weirdos can't even conceive that two women could legit just be friends without wanting to desperately play Rock Paper Scissors but without Paper and Rock with each other.

    • @tba113
      @tba113 Před měsícem +12

      ​@@DelightfullyMADD Yeah. It may go back further than this, but I remember seeing this phenomenon back in the late 90's among fanfic writers. Back then, it was more common for the writers (primarily awkward, artsy high school girls) to fantasize about pairing up male characters who were buddies, teammates, or rivals in the original setting and making them gay couples, though the same crowd of writers also dove into Oops! All Lesbians territory when art sites like DeviantArt came along a few years later.
      Considering how so much of modern entertainment can be described as "bad fanfic wearing the skin of the original setting", I think it's pretty clear where the writers came from.

  • @chiplundsmark5936
    @chiplundsmark5936 Před měsícem +2

    At first I thought this was gonna be just another. "How things suck compared to the past. Get off my lawn video." Which is fine. There is always a little truth in some nostalgia-bait. But as I listened to this I realized it is a very well thought out and informative rant. Well worth the listen. Especially if you are a Batman fan.

  • @zeropoint216
    @zeropoint216 Před měsícem +1

    No kidding Arch, this is one of the best videos of yours I've ever seen. Fantastic job.

    • @ThisguySL
      @ThisguySL Před měsícem

      If weaponized stupid is one of his best works then I'm terrified to imagine what his worst looks like.

  • @Blitzkrieg_Wolf
    @Blitzkrieg_Wolf Před měsícem +47

    Victor Friese had the most emotionally in-depth villain origin-story out of the whole series (with Baby Doll being a close second), his intentions were justified by the loss of the love of his life. His vengeance was driven by the actions of those who saw money over life... and these pathetic excuses for human beings took his wife and decided to desecrate everything that was pure & content with her character, her story and her husband's struggle.
    I thought Mr. Freeze had a cold heart, but these people are giving him a run for his money.

    • @adrenjones9301
      @adrenjones9301 Před měsícem +5

      Im surprised they didnt have a similar episode for Baby Doll.

    • @jarradroberts9598
      @jarradroberts9598 Před měsícem +7

      Victor had his heart frozen against his will. The people who made the show never had warmth to begin with.

    • @isaacdyer6556
      @isaacdyer6556 Před měsícem +2

      @@adrenjones9301 Please, don't give 'em ideas.

    • @jjaarr3208
      @jjaarr3208 Před měsícem +1

      Thank you for mentioning Baby Doll, I still think of her as the most tragic villain in the series.

    • @jamesvanitas
      @jamesvanitas Před měsícem +1

      “EVEN TO A GUY LIKE ME, THATS COLD.”

  • @MnemonicHack
    @MnemonicHack Před měsícem +61

    Thinking about it, this is probably the world the writers live in. Shallow, vain, drugged, and desperate to chase the next good feeling. They liked all these earlier shows, so why shouldn't they make new shows with their own morals? Except their morals are trash. But if you tell them this, then you're called phobic. Transphobic, homophobic, racialphobic, ableistophobic, whatever; whatever they can use to justify ignoring you and continuing to live in their feel-good moment. Heck, they'll use YOU to feel good about themselves, as they can derive emotional joy out of telling you how bad of a person you are.

    • @GodwynDi
      @GodwynDi Před měsícem +8

      Yep. And they completely lack any shred of introspection, so if you force them to theybrevolt violently against you. Because deep down they do know, and do everything they can to avoid that knowledge surfacing.

  • @Sojoboscribe
    @Sojoboscribe Před měsícem +2

    Come to think of it. in Batman Beyond, they mention that Victor cured Nora there as well, but then she left him and married someone else (of course, in this iteration, there really isn't much of Mr. Freeze left, as this continues from BTAS, Mr. Freeze is just a head now).
    More and more, it looks like all of Mr. Freezes efforts were ultimately wasted. He may have loved her to the ends of the earth, but it doesn't seem like she really reciprocated that depth of feeling.

  • @royshobe6642
    @royshobe6642 Před měsícem

    Thanks for making this video

  • @andrewwoolford8073
    @andrewwoolford8073 Před měsícem +52

    Before watching through, just felt obliged to say - B:TAS was and still is the benchmark for animated Batman adaptations, IMO. Beyond (or "Of the Future") was a good successor too, though not without flaws ofc
    After watching: Yeah... if anyone is still in denial this is intended to desecrate things people hold dear in any way possible, then they're utter fools.
    Also the blood transfusion crap? Nah, that's just stupid.

    • @LeeONardo
      @LeeONardo Před měsícem +14

      Batman Beyond was pretty dang decent. I like Terry and old man Bruce is awesome, I also like how they gave Terry his own rogues gallery while still having some classics appear.

    • @thestoneddog
      @thestoneddog Před měsícem

      It's a parody show. I am not sure what you expected out of a parody show.

  • @vorpalkickass8825
    @vorpalkickass8825 Před měsícem +117

    the way Nora is characterised is completely understandable, once you remember that the people that wrote her have no idea what humans think like and act like, but act closer to skittering bugs.

  • @jrr2480
    @jrr2480 Před měsícem +2

    If I remember correctly, there is a comic book story about Nora Fries that's about her getting fire 🔥 powers.

  • @SinEater292
    @SinEater292 Před 29 dny

    Great vid subbed!

  • @princeeclipse12
    @princeeclipse12 Před měsícem +33

    They should have turned Nora into the Ice Queen she then goes on a quest or a crusade against whichever realm holds his soul

  • @akumaking1
    @akumaking1 Před měsícem +108

    Sadly Bruce Timm seems to have chugged the woke Kool-Aid.

  • @drakeushellblade1786
    @drakeushellblade1786 Před měsícem +3

    Mr Freeze all so goes out like a Chad in Batman beyond

  • @mcintoshthedodgyonedyson
    @mcintoshthedodgyonedyson Před měsícem

    Once again, thank you Arch, you're suffering teaches us valuable lessons in philosophy.
    I'm sure that's a thing somewhere that's already been done, but it is nice to reflect and be reminded

  • @JustaGuy_Gaming
    @JustaGuy_Gaming Před měsícem +41

    The animated series was truly a gem of story telling. I mean not only did it improve a character like Mr. Freeze it whole sale invented characters that stuck with the series for decades afterwards like Harley Quin. Yes one the most iconic minions of the Joker was made in this cartoon and further adapted to the comics because it was so good.

  • @dejannincic9671
    @dejannincic9671 Před měsícem +27

    I wonder what the Freeze of the main universe would say if he met this Nora, i would image he would put Harley and co on ice

    • @isaacdyer6556
      @isaacdyer6556 Před měsícem +5

      And every sane person in the room would be giving him a standing ovation.

    • @merafirewing6591
      @merafirewing6591 Před měsícem

      Quite literally on ice.

  • @Sgt_Glory
    @Sgt_Glory Před měsícem

    I think this may very well be one of the most important videos you have ever uploaded.

  • @transgeek2345
    @transgeek2345 Před měsícem

    Thank you for making this, I was wondering when someone would cover the massacre of an incarnation that exists now with Mr. Freeze’s story.

  • @adamsee4144
    @adamsee4144 Před měsícem +276

    To be honest, "modern day" Nora probably would act like this. Even knowing her husband just sacrificed himself to save her life, she would likely let her (bad) friends influence her to the point of completely forgetting her dead husband and his sacrifice all together. Harley Quinn is a cartoon made by "modern" women after all, and they have no shame. "Modern" entertainment is devoid of any deeper meaning or purpose, other than to desecrate what came before it for a few short lived chuckles.

    • @odinsrensen7460
      @odinsrensen7460 Před měsícem +41

      And old Nora was written by men. Maybe it's not modernity.
      Edit: Turns out I was somewhat wrong but still not all wrong. See my long comment below.

    • @OctagonalSquare
      @OctagonalSquare Před měsícem +56

      @@odinsrensen7460are you implying men value loyalty and love and women don’t and it’s always been that way?

    • @streptococo4735
      @streptococo4735 Před měsícem +53

      @@OctagonalSquare Women version of love is mixed whit fleeting feelings.
      Men version of love is about a bond that stays thru struggle, for women to understand that they need struggle, and women usually never experience it.
      the ONLY THING women can potentially love unconditionally is their children (and i say potentially because broken women will only see their children as tools, men can also do it, but women have this angelic illusion that they are always perfect and mothers cant do no wrong, even tho single mothers are the ruin of our society)

    • @CommanderRedEXE
      @CommanderRedEXE Před měsícem

      ​@OctagonalSquare Men do, infact, value loyalty. There's a reason you basically don't see men on OF but you do see Women all too eager to show themselves off on it.
      Modern feminism cards only for women's sexual freedom, as in sleeping with whoever they want. Heck, even when they cheat they try to blame the guy as if it was his fault she was disloyal.
      Obvious there are some women not like this. But the current majority are definitely like modern Nora.

    • @kielbasamage
      @kielbasamage Před měsícem +19

      @@streptococo4735 I'm not even sure about the children. A lot of women tend to accidentally misplace them in washing machines and hot cars when it's inconvenient to have to deal with one.

  • @JaimieSch
    @JaimieSch Před měsícem +35

    Hmm, it appears Harley Quinn now has competition for the most desecrated BTAS character spot at this point. That's not something I thought was even possible at this point, given that Harley Quinn's modern iterations are the perfect summation of everything wrong with modern DC.
    How could any sane human look at a scene of Mr Freeze sacrificing his life for Nora, and think: "This should be in a comedy show, about Whorely Quinn and Lesbo Ivy's wacky adventures"? How do you think that something so tragic could be played for laughs? This sounds like it would be the start of Nora Freeze's descent into becoming a villain herself, hell bent on revenge against Harley and Ivy for causing her husband's death. That could have actually been an interesting story, but no, we had to just piss on everything in the name of modernity.

    • @GodwynDi
      @GodwynDi Před měsícem

      Because they care for nothing outside of themselves, and even less so when it's a man.

  • @FantasticWho713
    @FantasticWho713 Před měsícem +1

    I don't know why, but the video actually froze on my screen the exact moment that you said Nora Fries 😂🤣

  • @syme9925
    @syme9925 Před měsícem +2

    Very insightful. Really enjoyed the de Sade comparison.