Why the 2023 Nanga Parbat Climbing Season Was Thrown Into CHAOS| Pawel Kopec Tragedy
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2024
- The 2023 climbing season on Nanga Parbat was hectic as mountaineers from all over all attempted to summit the 9th tallest mountain in the world. A few climbers would be successful, but their stories are overshadowed by the controversy and shortcuts made by commercial expedtions during their summit pushes. Experienced and beginner climbers all struggled to saftley reach the summit and return, with many having to be hospitalized or helped off the mountain. However, one story highlights these mistakes more than all the others.. This is the story of Pawel Kopec and the 2023 climbing season of Nanga Parbat…
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A real mess. There was a group of 7 Poles on the mountain. Details are still hazy, but it seems they all climbed independently and without high altitude porters. The decision to make the summit bid from Camp 3 without oxygen was theirs alone. The outstanding Peruvian alpinist Flor Cuenca was on the route at the time, and was very concerned that the other non-O2 climbers were progressing much too slowly. She now regrets not advising them to turn back, but they would probably have ignored her anyway. Cuenca made the climb with energy to spare, but for the typical Alpinist a solo non-O2 push from Camp 3 was simply far too ambitious. They put themselves and the heroic rescuers in danger, and also ruined the dreams of the more responsible team who had set up at Camp 4 and sacrificed their summit push to help the Camp 3 climbers who hit trouble. The big mountains are no place for egos and rash decisions.
No mountain, cave, or forest is a place for big egos.
Dang it. I completely understand the desire to climb without supplementary oxygen, but they should still have some oxygen in case of an emergency. A small oxygen tank and a breathing apparatus should be included in a standard first aid kit at such altitudes. RIP Pawel. At least he wasn't alone when he breathed his last breath 😔
I agree. For a mountain with a 1 in 5 death rate, it should be standard to carry at least a small amount of oxygen for an emergency. It may not be enough to get them down the mountain, but it may be enough to at least give them a fighting chance of staying lucid enough to get lower on the mountain and increase their chances of getting help and staying alive. As it is, it seems like you're hearing more and more cases of others having to put their lives at risk to try and help inexperienced or no oxygen climbers who have by their own actions put themselves at heightened risk.
It just doesn’t work like that!
Carrying 5-6kg of useless weight is the last thing a free climber needs.
Or if you carrying it, then you use it.
One bottle will not do much difference anyway if someone got HACE.
The point is, to not get sick! Or if you do.. to notice the symptoms early and get back immediately.
@@stormtrooper9404 What you are saying makes no sense. Of course it doesn't currently work like that or Pawel would likely still be alive. You can get oxygen cylinders weighing about 1kg, which can give you about 10 minutes of breathing time. 10 minutes of oxygen could be life-saving in a crisis situation, if you know how to use it. Calling it a useless weight when it has a life-saving power is beyond strange. Is your first aid kit a useless weight too whenever you don't have to use it?
By the way, they actually did have oxygen tanks with them, but they left them in a tent in camp 3. They radioed to people who were in camp 3 at that time and they offered $2,000 to anyone who would bring one of the oxygen tanks to them. One of the Sherpas volunteered to do this, but the Italian climber who had hired him for this trip didn't allow him to go.
@@katharina... Not in this case. He got HACE, not HAPE.
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There should be a warming hut with a snack bar and espresso cafe at around 7400 meters.
Yeah and there should be a party bar at the peak to celebrate the climb
I read that as "warning hut" not warming hut. 😂😂
Don't you have an internal observer, that tells you when to comment and when not to comment?@@hollysmith5146
@@hollysmith5146lol me too 😂😅
All I can say is that I'm willing everyone who is taking part in the 2024 claiming season a safe return off the mountain they're climbing. My heart is with all climbers and their families. How wonderful would it be if 2024 had no climbing casualties.
who’s dumber you or the climbers?
@@user-vl4iq7bj5e that's easy you are and apparently someone who is absolutely no compassion whatsoever. Such a stand-up loser!
@@user-vl4iq7bj5elol right these ppl obviously hate life. The only way for there to be no casualties there, is for people not to climb up there. There’s nothing noble about this in any way and it’s sickening to see how they are somehow hailed as heroes, heroes of what? Stupidity 😅
@@user-vl4iq7bj5e that's easy. You for having no compassion whatsoever.
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What I do not understand is risk management by these climbers.they knew that there was no camp 4; they knew that mountain weather is volatile; they knew that under those conditions, oxygen is necessary. Why would you take on unnecessary risk? I think they need to train mountaineers on risk management. Honesty, it’s frustrating to hear about without oxygen climbers and oxygen deprivation on their way down.
They obviously hated life 😂
There is a phenomenon known as "summit fever" where normally rational people feel the top is so close that they think they can make it against advice. Regarding oxygen, it is one of the elements in climbing where some consider it 'pure' to climb without it. This argument about purity in climbing is highly subjective and oxygen use is frowned upon by some. RIP Pawel.
Completely Agree!
@@Robutube1 This is why you do risk assessment before you climb. When you are in full possession of your brain. You have different scenarios, because these are not rare events. Then have a plan.
I don’t judge the climb, but I don’t understand the underwhelming planning of risk
@@theresachung703 This is a very fair point, especially regarding the 'no camp 4' decision, but summit fever occurs at high level when the brain isn't working so well as normal and reckless behaviour gets rationalised by the climber; also, and I'm assuming here, the non-use of oxygen was a decision made at the planning stage and considered an acceptable risk.
bruh why no camp 4 tho :/ they stupid
Camp IV is JV bruh. 😂
My guess is to save money on supplies. Very stupid.
These guys were not commerce climbers. They were athletes from Polish Alpine Club. Many athletes go to higher camps without sherpa's or HAPs help. They establish their camps on their own, they carry their equipment and food on their backs and it's a calculation of should we carry more staff, more food and spend more time and energy on making camp 4 or save energy and go to summit push from camp 3. It' s risky and now we can say it was a bad decision but they are not inexpirienced idiots or suicidal dudes who don't care about going down the mountain. Also if you want to make a sport's achievement that won't be questioned - if you took oxygen and used it or not - some people don't have it on them at all. Is it a gamble, yes, is there some reason beyond money to it, also yes. Another thing, there is a summit fever fenomenon that occures to oxygen deprived brain of a climber. We can't easly guess why he didn't turn back in time. It is so easy to judge from the comfort of a chair that someone is or was stupid. How do I know it? I listened to an interview with Waldemar Kowalewski who was on the mountain on that day and spent 4 hours on his descent trying to walk Pawel down to camp 4. Waldemar is a climber who rescued 11 people in high mountain rescue actions and always tries to do as much as possible for climbers in trouble.
@@joanna_asq_el Thank you so much for the clarification. It adds a lot of background info on the story.
@@grandmasterestrada1592 Glad I was able to help. You're welcome.
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Well, I've just learned something new today. After seeing the official Nanga Parbat sign, I now know how many "feets" it is to the summit. 😂
It's silly because everyone who speaks proper English knows its "foots" actually.
it's "feetsies" I'll have you know
Not making a camp 4
The 9th tallest mountain just doesn’t seem as glorious as the other larger ranges.
There's very little difference in the top 10 -14 mountain heights
It may not be the tallest, but it is considered one of the most difficult to climb!
Someone’s got to tell the guy jumarring that it didn’t count.
Tourists should b banned from climbing such big and dangerous hill and go back to Everest
Awful
Yeah, there's Nims, climbing 14 "once in a lifetime" peaks in one season and making the rest of them look like the posers they are.