Chief Midegah On Temple And Lodge Practices, The Two Sticks, And Seven Fires Prophecy
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"We are not reflecting the Book of Mormon; the Book of Mormon is reflecting us."
Chief David Midegah of the Great Lakes Area Ojibwe, or Anishinaabe people, discusses prophecies of his people that date back generations. He has also corroborated some of their teachings directly with Jewish Rabbis who have declared these native teachings to be in alignment with the Laws of Noah.
Many of his people's teachings are in oral form, but many come from written scrolls. Some of these surprisingly (or not) align with the teachings of the Restored Gospel.
Also, how temple and lodge practices align.
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I was raised as a Catholic. I joined the LDS church when I was 25. When I was 26 I went to the temple for the first time. After I went the second time, I recognized some Catholic rites in the temple. At 7, I was dressed as a bride with a veil and received my first holy communion. At 12, I went through my Confirmation and chose a new name. It took at lot of study to prepare myself, like preparation for a Jewish bar mitzvah. It was enlightening and firmed up my testimony of the truthfulness of the gospel! I realized that the church I was raised in had parts of the truth but had put the puzzle pieces together incorrectly. The fullness was lost among the Jews, the early saints and the families and people who were dispersed. Now prophecy is being fulfilled and the temple blessings have been restored.
Thats so interesting. I have many catholic friends and ive never heard this before. Thank you for sharing this. I find this fascinating.
That's so interesting! I feel the same! Every time I go to the temple I see where the Catholic church fell off the covenant path. They have "some" of the truth. (I think Catholics make the best converts. IMHO.)
Some LDS family members i know took in one of these young native boys during that program. They were asked to by the church and they accepted the call. It was extremely difficult, and he was disrespectful, antisocial, and fought with their kids constantly. However, he came back to them many years later and thanked them for everything they'd done for him. He has a good family and children now and said what they did for him was instrumental in him being a good father. I think this is a complex issue, but i think the LDS Church and people really did try to help.
While in Arizona I met one of the Placement Program grads. She had nothing but praise for it. She lives a productive life with a lovely family.
I know some natives who were taken in by the church who were MK Ultra’d.
I understand this man's frustration. Terrible things happened to his ancestors for sure. However, we believe that "man will be punished for his own sins and not for Adam's transgressions". His ancestors at some point violated the basic human rights of other tribes as well. He doesn't need to apologize for them for doing that, just like I don't need to apologize for what my ancestors did. How good is God that he only holds us accountable for our own sins.
Amen
Well put. What seems to get lost in discussions about native Americans is all the genocide, conquering, and enslavement they were doing to each other over the centuries prior to Europeans ever showing up. Imagine if they had all been unified and living righteously at the time the Europeans arrived. Could have been a very different story. Chief Midegah saying the "Spirit softening the hearts of each next generation" of Euro descendants is also true of the native descendants who were also guilty of the same atrocities without European involvement at all. Each generation just tries to do better and that's all we can ask for. Today's native Americans need not apologize for what they did to each other a thousand years ago. Same with Euro descendants.
I really do like what he says about coming together in unity as we are all from the same people.
That article of faith is about original sin, we still need to recognize that our current state is dependent on the past actions of others, for better or for worse. Where much is given much is required.
@ItsSnagret maybe, but it also applies to us individually. I will not be judged by what my grandfather did or even what my father did. My kids will not be judged by my deeds. We can only control our own thoughts and actions, not those of others.
@@LajRa5 I agree with that, but there’s a difference between being judged for something and recognizing your responsibilities due to the situation you’re in. Indeed, God will judge us for omission, especially if we are blessed temporally.
I was part of that program and that what you say is not completely true, we had a beautiful girl who we taught her to love her love her parents, and tried to help her go back and help her family. Only to find her father was rapping her and she got diseases. We loved her, but taught her to love and lift her family. We remained good friends. She said it was what helped her to rise above her struggles and became an editor of a newspaper of her people. Much good came from it. It was to build her family not divide them.Carol
My Mother's family also had a girl stay with them for a while. For whatever reason she ended up getting placed with another family, but has since stated that she wishes she stayed with my Mother's family. I think while good things came of it for some people, the situation was not so for many others. The residential school system here in Canada was brutal, as it is the one that put these poor children in boarding schools and tortured them in ways that defy description. It was a luck of the draw whether the Catholic run boarding school would even teach anything, and not just embezzle money. I've heard the stories from Blackfoot, Cree and Anishinaabe people where I live, it was a destructive system and it was designed to eradicate a whole culture.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints tried to avoid this abuse by placing children with functioning families (at least where I live), but it was also during a time when the US and Canadian cultures did not value native cultures the way they do today, and was still assimilationist for many, instead of incorporationist. The girl that stayed with my Mother's family was found abandoned and starving in the reserve, she didn't have family to take her in, so it probably saved her life. Yet, her life may not have needed saving if other crimes weren't perpetrated before that. The Church tried to do it in a better way than the Catholics and Protestants, but it was not fully successful, and perhaps apologies to those hurt by it are necessary.
I had friends who had a young lady in their home. They tried so hard to help her. She married and he had alcoholism and she and her children lived on a dirt floor in her house. No matter what they did, they couldn't help her.
Yes, I lived in NM and knew Navajos that were in the program, and VOLUNTARILY went to LDS homes. They visited their own families when school was not in session. They loved their LDS families.
@@EKowallis That’s trauma. 😢
@@Allthoseopposed and trauma will never heal unless we live in the truth.
I enjoyed Midegah's story and believe what he says. However, during the whole interview, I couldn't help but feel the Spirit of his parents Laman and Lemuel. The "we have been wronged" spirit, and there needs to be a recognition of our "authority" instead of the true authority given through the Holy Priesthood, which was given to the righteous brothers of the Lehites in ancient American times and to the Ephraimites in our day. Many of the Native American Tribes have parts of the Gospel that had been revealed in ancient times, but not the fullness of the continuing Restoration. I feel his coming and beginning to talk about reconciliation is a positive sign that the Holy Spirit is working on Lehi's seed, so they will be one with Ephraim during the preparations for the Milennial reign.
I never thought Captain Moroni was a great negotiator, read his epistles during the war chapters. Perhaps the bluntness you hear is from a broader cultural background , not just Laman and Lemuel complaining.
I felt some constructive criticism. It’s very apparent that the grandsons of lehi, as a whole likely have far more of the gospel than we do. Their scrolls, songs, and oral histories put together, probably have more gospel teachings than the Bible and Book of Mormon combined.
We have the fullness of the gospel but I’m just not naïve enough to think we have all/ the full gospel.
The church is actively being restored along with the gospel. It’s an on going process. Even our prophet has said as much.
I agree. He uses the phrase "my truth" and "our truth".
I suspect he'll soon announce that he is "the one mighty and strong"
Joseph Smith taught that there are THREE priesthoods. Those who hold the Patriartical Priesthood do not need permission from Ephriam to complete tasks assigned to them before the flood.
@@codyspendlove8986Women officiating in temple ceremonies and in their homes operate under the Patriarchal priesthood.
My wife is a direct descendent of Wyandanch, a chief of the Montaukett, Algonquian speaking natives from Long Island. She is also a direct descendent of a lady wrongfully accused and imprisoned for witchcraft in Salem. One thing missing from Chief Midegah's discussion is the atonement. Carrying all the injustice of the past is a terrible burden for one person. At some point you need to forgive and place your burdens on the Jesus Christ. We can't change the past. We should focus on what unites us.
Would love to connect, family search shows I have connection to Wyandanch but I'm not sure how much credibility it has and I would appreciate someone who can help verify.
Cool. Wyandanch is my 12th great grandfather.
We should forgive our brothers and sisters in the past for their sins and mistakes. We are all children of God.
@Steelblaidd The line goes thru Jan Claessen DeWitt, who married his daughter.
I am concerned about several things going on here, but my biggest concern is his comment about leaving the church. If he desires to bridge a gap and bring people together wouldn't it be better to be both??
We're being given magnificent new correlations which confirm what Joseph Smith said about the Book of Mormon. I'm puzzled about why people react with contempt toward this information. I enjoy hearing this man. I regard him as a brother in Christ.
Me too
Exactly. There is an important piece to remember here. When Samuel the Lamanite came in the book of mormon to the people of Zarahemla, they shot arrows at him. May our words not be arrows, but questions.
This is what honest conversations look like. I loved it too.
BECAUSE THEY LISTENED WITH, "EARS THAT WILL NOT SEE AND EYE'S THAT CAN NOT SEE............................
SORRY< THAT WAS EARS THAT WILL NOT HEAR.............
I have two close friends in my life, one ojibwe that I have had for 20 years and one who has been my closest friend friend. I travelled the powow trail every year for a while. I see the similarities in the traditional customs. Love my native family. The last 2 years, however, my experience has changed because I went without my native friends. There is bitterness in peoples hearts for things I did not do, undoing all that I originally thought about my native family. Kindness, compassion, and acceptance have to work two ways to work at all.
The Ammonites understood. I'm saddened by the bitterness too.
Chief Medigah, May God grant you peace throughout your journey.❤
Three Things:
1. This brother has quite a mind and heart-a gift for synthesizing and communicating histories. I love listening.
2. Language such as “when you started killing us” is inaccurate, inflammatory, and counterproductive. It is the language of “us v. them” and of reparations. I suggest he revise that part of his speech.
3. I’d like Greg to ask him what would count as a satisfactory “making of amends” so we can evaluate it and maybe get behind it. Is it an extensive educational and apology campaign? Is it the abolishing of reservations? Is it recognizing the Ojibwe scrolls as scripture?
4. My First Nations brother-in-law, from what I can see, was blessed greatly by the few school years he spent with my wife’s family. That’s anecdotal, and I haven’t yet researched the stats. But the Church did discontinue the program for, I presume, good reasons. Should that count for something?
I did not feel that at all........."TRUTH HURT'S"........IF IT IS TO BE CHANGED/FACED IT IS GOING TO HURT.......
I don’t know everything that my father did. I only know what I did. I will not be guilted by some random guy appearing on the internet for something he claims my parents did. I am not accountable to him or any other man.
It’s not my responsibility yo seek your approval. It’s my responsibility to share the truth. It’s your job to receive it.
This is a powerful statement and should be applied to Christ’s gospel
Yes, but the truth, so far, hadn't been told.
I can't say it's the truth. I haven't seen the record, only heard about them. In my opinion, it's very intriguing on the level that all ancient traditions have what he's claiming - on the level of the Egyptians etc..
@@thomaswyatt1445 what I mean is this should be our attitude in how we live and teach the gospel. Our responsibility isn’t to get the world’s approval, it’s to speak the truth.
My step dad was one who was sent to the school and he was abused and hated it. He lived in southern Canada and was in the Turtle clan of the Oneida group. He turned out to be a wonderful quiet loving father to me and my siblings. I love Indians and I am especially fond of the sea turtle and the story of how the earth was formed. Thank you for your youtube interview! Naoma
There was some good things that came from the Indian placement program. It wasn’t all bad. I have a friends who were in that program who loved it, and are still very close to their placement families.
Sure there was also good things that came from slavery.
He keeps saying they never lost anything, but they did! They "lost" the authority of the priesthood, because of the sins of their forefathers. Yes, they have scrolls, stories, traditions, rites, and rituals, but like the Egyptians, they did not have the priesthood authority.
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Amen
After hearing this episode, I think you very well could be right
I understand what you mean. But I was wondering about that scripture in D&C 68:13-20 talking about the people who are pure descendants of Aaron being worthy of holding office as the Bishop if authorized by the first presidency. What I’m wondering is, since some of the Native Americans are descended from Israel, could that mean that they are authorized certain priesthood (if the First Presidency approved it)? Just thinking but idk
What I mean is, some of them could be descended from Aaron? Honestly wondering.
Buckle up. And ill add for me that I like his passion for this. Some people will take his directness personally, but i like it and dont think they need to. His message is largely about having a voice and sitting in one circle in these very key years ahead of us. To not be stuck in our tribes but to gather. The messaging and tone doesnt appeal to everyone but i like it.
Chief midegah is a fraud and is lying and twisting Native American history. He has the mentality of pride, entitlement and victim behavior of laman and Lemuel. Both latter day watch and cwic need to rethink the information given by this “chief”
Yes, I like it too. He commands respect and there is so much in his message that we can learn from.
It's refreshing because we need to talk about these things and work out any problems to be unified.
Ok
My auntie came to live with my grandparents in Utah when she was 10. She only spoke Navajo at the time. She stayed in our family when she grew up. I didn’t find out she wasn’t adopted until I was an adult, because to us, she was our family, and she was treated no differently from anyone else. She married my uncle, a Navajo, but they raised their family in Utah. They take their kids down to the rez to find spouses, but they raise their families in Utah. Why? When my other Navajo uncle was killed on the rez, my family went to his funeral, where Elder Lee condemned them for devil worship. It was evil there. Not all reservations are the same, but for many many people, the Indian Placement Program saved them from a life of drunkenness, abuse, and devil worship.
And I think it’s important that people realize that the apostasy happened to everybody. Not just the Catholic church and the Lamanites/Nephites who remained.
My cousin's had native girls come. One of them was murdered by her native boyfriend after she returned to her family.
I respect Cheif Midegah. I don't feel anger as mush as I feel righteous indignation. I knew of a little of the oppression of the tribes. I didnt know how horrible it has been. I believe this nation stands under condemnation because of this treatment. I feel he is a good man trying to lift all people. Pray for his righteous efforts to succeed.
Problem is nobody alive today had a hand in any of the stuff he’s pissed about.
He’s screaming at clouds.
@@ClintThomsen Nobody alive participated in the Mountain Meadows Massacre but yet we still feel shame and pain from it. i'm still sickened and upset that my fellow LDS would participate in such abhorrent disgusting actions.
@@GwPoKo I feel no shame for sins I didn’t commit. But you do you.
@@GwPoKo you feel ashamed for members of the church, in the PAST, who may have done bad things...but where are you on the CURRENT day when many bad things are being done by members of the church?
Being bothered by that kinda shows how little you understand what this world is all about. Latter-Day Saints were never supposed to be immune from the worlds influences because it IS THE PLAN. Not a PART of the plan, but the WHOLE THING.
How one does not understand that at this point is more saddening because it means you hold yourself to a level of responsibility that you will never have to answer for because of that plan.
It's called the plan of Happiness, but such thinking turns it into a plan of Sadness.
Can we just stop with the Samuel the Lamanite references? Samuel the Lamanite came to the Nephites preaching and testifying of Christ. That was his entire mission! Go back and rewatch this interview. How many times did this Chief mention Christ? Did he convey something Christlike? Was his demeanor at least Christlike? To his credit, I don’t believe he’s claiming a prophetic mantle here and I don’t believe he’s wrong to be angry or have grievances. But lest any of you start to put this man on a pedestal, just remember how to discern. It’s not hard.
I saw the same thing with George P Lee he could not follow the one true master savior, Jesus Christ, and it led to his demise. And I know it would happen when I read his book while he was still a general authority you could read between the lines what he really thought.
I was approached to learn the ways and understand the old traditions, and I turned it away because I can only serve one master and that’s Jesus Christ. I still love my people and want them to blossom as a rose and it will only come through the savior.
Just read up on George P Lee. Interesting that his disagreements with church stemmed from Benson *stopping* the Indian Placement Program.
I also would like to know if their lodge or records are centered around Christ (or the great peacemaker). They could have a lot of great records and teachings, but if they are not pointed toward Christ then it’s just that.
My family participated in the Indian placement program. I had a Wallapai native American brother from age 8 to 13. He had had four different dads who all would get drunk and beat his mother and the kids and threaten their lives. His mother was desperate to get him out of the house and get him to a good school. The reservation he lived on was a nightmare. sexual child abuse was rampant. The Indian placement program was completely voluntary. Yes, the United States government had to agree to the program president Spencer W Kimball was desperate to try to help these people. He knew that just pumping more money into the system was not the answer. I feel so sorry for our native American brothers! Maybe I missed it, but exactly what does Midegah David think that the church should have done?
Same with my best friend. She was hosted by an incredible family that saved her and loved her. She was being sexually abused by her step father and uncle. The most horrible part of her life was when she was sent home each summer. 35 years later, her high school friends still love and surround her in faith and love even though she is back near the reservation and has taken up the long tradition of alcohol and weed. We still love her. Always will.
He talks about it like it was slavery but with no evidence to back up that accusation. He talks about the various native tribes as if they were all kumbaya getting along together when in reality they often slaughtered each other. I'm not saying there isn't some truth in some of the things that he is saying but he is also just clearly indoctrinated with tons of hate.
Read what happened in killers of the flower moon. The Indian people were brutilized and robbed. It's so heart wrenching. Its rather sick! A lot of the inhumanities that were carried out were so horrible. It helped me understand the real otrocities! So so sad. It makes me doubt how any of this could going on and no one spoke up@@loudogg73
He comes from the great lakes region. Canada had a much different program and it was not voluntary. Look up the 60's scoop. The story of his family is most likely different from those in the west and south of the US.
I hope we can hear more and more voices.
@@loudogg73 well, the Indians have never wanted to take responsibility for themselves and admit that the reason they were conquered is because they were at the time at least more wicked than the whites who conquered them, on the whole that is.
The Indians never want to take responsibility for preserving their own culture, the Jewish people didn't have reservations for 2,000 years and yet they have preserved their culture, the blacks in the inner cities don't have reservations and yet they have preserved their culture.
The descendants of Lehi will blossom as a rose as soon as they grow up, take responsibility for their own part in all this and start preserving their culture just like every other group in history has had to do.
I'm so glad you are interviewing this Elder( meaning a respected tribal member and a worthy priesthood holder with in the faith). As you posed the question, why don't LDS members not know theses tribal teachings and "traditional" ceremonies of the Native Americans, as a Navajo woman and a temple worker, there are things we know and do in a ceremonial setting that are too sacred to talk about. And certain spiritual experiences shouldn't be written down in books for others to critique and try to authenticate. There is a Navajo healing ceremony, in which we have the washing, anointing, and clothing similar to the temple ordinances..
Thats so interesting, ive always been drawn to learning more about Native Americans, i have some Navajo friends (not members) and try to listen and learn. Im from Peru and we have our own Inca history.
It makes sense that somethings you dont talk about which is a lot like our temples.
I dont have a member Native American friend so i hope its ok to ask this or it makes sense but How does one handle the culture and rituals of the tribe once you are a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints?
@KeyG123 as members I've learned when going through the temple we should be asking the Lord questions that are perplexing, and in due time, the Spirit will enlighten your mind and heart. The Spirit bore witness, yes at one time my people did know the truth and temple ordinances. However, through time and without the priesthood authority, precious truths were taken away. I believe the confirmation of what was spoken by the Spirit. It's critical to our existence to know the truth of God's ways.
The process of gathering in the stories of all of scattered Israel is going to be messy and uncomfortable but glorious in its final form.
This
Gathering of Israel is the Fullness of the Atonement - will require an amazing amount of reparations - historic proportion. I do believe the City of Enoch will help us all get there as it has to be done by an outside source. No way we can figure this out by ourselves - just too much trauma.
He’s an interesting listen each time and I’m grateful that he’s been given a platform for his voice and an opportunity to tell the story of his people. I, like others, find his claim to authority dubious and troubling. It hints at alterior motives that may or may not be (and I certainly hope are not) there.
Thanks for sharing Chief. There is no doubt great sorrow, sadness and wrongs were done to all the inhabitants of these lands following the gentiles arrival. Proof that prophetic warnings, though helpful do not themselves darkness undo. Much love to you and your people. Your light is plain to see.
Greg, thanks for another stellar episode!
3 Nephi 20:14,15,16...
My first time hearing my first experience w/ chief David’s teachings, would like to hear more. Thank you
I have been following these podcasts since their inception w/great interest. As LDS we participated in the Indian Placement Program raising an Arapaho-Cheyenne, Mark Shotgunn for 10 years until he graduated & left attending BYU for a short time where he met & married a beautiful Navajo & had a son Brooks who served a mission in Palmyra, NY. We are still close. Mark passed in 2006. We were converts of just 3 years when at a sacrament meeting our hearts were touched to participate in The Indian Placement program via the movie “GO my Son, Get an Education!” As Chief Midagah’s story unfolds much is to be learned by all! Listen & dialogue! The histories of the Lost 10 Tribes on & off planet is beginning to unfold. Listen & dialogue w/o judgment. This subject is very cosmic in nature & ALL the inhabitants of Earth are involved! If I am truly understanding the teachings of Jesus Christ to UNCONDITIONALLY Love, forgive & accept all things then we are about to evolve collectively in the most most perfect & beautiful ways! Exciting, hopeful, precious, powerful & empowering. I as an “insatiable information gatherer” of the highest order-only seeking God’s truths-can hardly wait to join you all on this enlightening journey offered by Chief Midagah.
That's the exact scripture I was thinking of! @codyspendlove8986
I’m surprised by the comments. So many cannot understand his anger is rooted in real pain. If we want to connect to people we have to be willing to hear their anger and understand their pain. Hold peace in your heart and love each other, Christ taught us this. Don’t be afraid to face the unpleasant truth and dark realities that people have had to live through. This is how we learn. We cannot believe the Book of Mormon is truth and forget the children of Lehi. We are all one family in Christ.
Sure, but the problem is nobody alive had a hand in any of the stuff he’s pissed about, and yet his anger seems directed at the audience. It’s counterproductive.
Counter productive to better understanding our brothers and sisters? This is how we heal. People have to be able to express their pain. It’s not directed at us, it just is. I’m in Hawaii and we call it Ho’oponopono. It’s a necessary part of the resolution process. It may be a cultural difference but in my culture, you are allowed to express pain, greif, anger, before finding peace. Without facing it, we are likely to repeat it. Repentance works the same way, acknowledging is the first step. Just trying to help.
@@guineverec123 that seems like a great concept, but I don’t appreciate being yelled at for problems I didn’t cause. It’s off-putting. So if your goal is for me to appreciate your background and traditions, this approach just causes me to tune out.
He’s speaking with passion. He’s not yelling at you.
@@guineverec123 doesn’t make it any less counterproductive or any less off-putting
Thank you for this wonderful podcast. I can see so vividly the General Conference talks coming together listening to the family of man. We are all related Jew and Gentile, Bond and FREE. WHETHER WE ARE EUROPEANS DESCENDED OR Ojibwah . We teach the gospel to unite us as the house of Israel. God bless you both for what is being told.
So appreciate the time and effort to bring this to us. A sure testimony that if we stay close to God and our Covenants the Lord helps us, protects us, and fights our battles. But as we break those covenants it cannot happen. Just like those before us, we are headed down the same road if we do not wake up.
I didn’t know that Native Americans took the Catholic route of “no, authority wasn’t taken from us, we were worthy and following the gospel the whole time!”
His biggest fault is he's holding on to past injustices. He needs to completely forgive and look to Christ for healing. I believe his people and culture have a very unique role to play, but until they take personal responsibility and heal themselves through the attonment, they will continue broken and angery. I love them and look forward to their contribution to the coming of our Savior.
I agree. Forgiveness is such a powerful step in moving forward for all people.
You're missing the greater context and message. He doesn't need healing. WE ALL DO!!!!
Clearly, you missed my point. As disciples of Christ we focus on healing ourselves through forgiveness and the partaking of the Atonement. However if someone is focusing on injustices, as I think he is, then it slows the process down. I don't owe him an apology because I've never harmed or had unkind thoughts toward him.
@@thomaswyatt1445 I understand what you're saying. I'm suggesting that Midegah is not needing healing as much as you think he does. In fact it's clear to me that he's trying to help us be strengthened and heal as members of the Lord's restored Church against the same kind of hatred that his people have suffered and that we are prone to experience as the early saints did, again. Quite literally he sees way past the history and into the future he's trying to help us bring forward!
@@xrpreacher6000you need to listen to this guy on other channels. He gets pretty fired up. It appears to me he is using these past injustices to claim authority or subordinate your church to him and his.
I feel like he talks a lot and says very little about what connection the church and the Indian ancestry have. I would like more details. But he often gets off track from the question.
Together with our Savior and standing for Him always
He has a right to speak about his anger. He isn’t harming anyone by letting us know they have been severely abused. We must stay awake and be willing to listen and take this to heart so we can help when needed.
It's better to find the truth
Yes, I agree. I take no offense in what he says. People need to hear this. And he needs to vent. And that's ok. I take to heart what he says and I'm embarrassed & so disappointed in government officials who really thought it was ok to genocide a whole race of people. But then I think about how it fulfills prophecy in the Book of Mormon & I'm a little less angry at some.of my ancestors. It has all been in the Lord's hands and in His timing.
@@nancylowe2692 well of course. Taking offense at something like this is silly. It's more about him than ourselves.
3 Nephi 20:14-16 is also prophesy.
Given by Jesus Christ
@codyspendlove8986 absolutely! The covenant is very real. Which is one of the reasons God allowed the Nephites and eventually the Lamanites to practically have been swept of the earth. It's coming for any of those who do now keep the covenant on this land.
There is just so much anger….The message is lost behind the negative emotions.
Greg-it has been brought to my attention, as we have friends who are closely entwined with “Chief Midegah” that he may not be 100% what he claims. There seems to be a history of him going by different names, accusations of him not even having the heritage he claims, etc. I’m not sure how to raise the alarm except to give this comment that everyone who listens to him needs to be aware there is a questionable past…and honesty may be an issue here. We need to always be careful who we listen to!
Of course. All of this will get vetted.
Agreed!
Yep
I don’t believe the church needs to apologize for trying to make the life of some Native Americans more comfortable and be educated in some small way. They did not mistreat them and they often went home in summer. The families willingly participated. I’ve heard some who were in that program say how positively it affected them. Many Natives where I work still send their children to boarding school in California.
I also believe that when Christ comes he will require all to forgive each other for all injustices of the past. He needs to work with government because the regular folks have no control of what the BIA does. His anger is directed the wrong direction. His manner does not invite the spirit. I think his story is interesting though.
It’s subjective that it was better. It was more white American, but was it better? Depends.
@@zionmama150 Yes I know
You maybe didn’t feel the spirit at this time… I don’t feel the spirit in every message I ever hear… but the information gives us something to think about.. as it progresses and understanding the I believe spirit will come
I just went to the funeral of a man who had bonus daughters. I don’t like the word “foster.” They all spoke at his funeral and had nothing but wonderful things to say about him and the great experience they had in this family.
@@virginiaevans853 there’s 3 sides to a coin 🪙
I don't doubt that this man has some incredible truths to tell and even the ability to change our understanding of history both in and out of the church. But what I find odd is that he is so angry and condescending in his presentation as though he's the smartest man in the room and he knows it.
And some of his commentary is reminiscient of Democratic word salad that make 0 sense and he doesn't even try to clarify.
I am not sure why so many people are attracted to his message because it's hard not to feel like a target for things we didn't even know about to begin with.
He is definitely passionate. Would encourage him to follow the keys and embrace the Atonement. If anyone has a right to feel wronged it is our Savior.
There are a lot of comments on here criticizing Chief Medigah, saying that he should just "get over" what has been done to his people, and all the descendants of Lehi who have been the victims of genocide at the hands of the United States and Canada. But that isn't scriptural. Chief Medigah is under covenent obligation to remember the captivity of his fathers.
The Captivity of Our Fathers:
Alma begins his preaching to the people of Zarahemla and the first thing he brings up is the captivity of their fathers. He speaks of their deliverance from King Noah, and then their later deliverance from the hands of the Lamanites. When Alma mentions the captivity of their fathers, he means their actual parents. These people were only one generation removed from people that were in actual captivity and bondage.
Then Alma asks if they “you have sufficiently retained in remembrance the captivity of your fathers” (Alma 5:6).
Remembering the captivity of our fathers is an important thing. Moses gave this as the reason to keep the Sabbath day holy (Deut. 5:15).
Alma will revisit this commandment later in his life when he preaches to his son Helaman: “I have always retained in remembrance their captivity; yea, and ye also ought to retain in remembrance, as I have done, their captivity” (Alma 36:29)
Why is it important to remember their captivity? Shouldn’t we just get over it? Apparently not. And why not? Because along with the captivity comes a deliverance. In the very same breath, Alma asks “have you sufficiently retained in remembrance his mercy and long-suffering towards them? And moreover, have ye sufficiently retained in remembrance that he has delivered their souls…” (Alma 5:6)
Often, deliverance comes by violence. It certainly did in Egypt. Millions died before the children of Israel were released. Pharaoh even sent his army after them, suffering catastrophic loss that left Egypt open to invasion by outside forces. The captivity and deliverance of the children of Israel proved the downfall of Egypt.
Alma would have us remember the captivity of our fathers, even (and probably especially) when that captivity came at the hands of others of our fathers. The tribe of Ephraim claimed Egyptian blood, and Moses was raised Egyptian. The captivity of Alma’s people came at the hands of their own brothers, both the Lamanites, and at the hands of Amulon and his fellow priests.
Why do we need to remember their captivity? So we can remember the deliverance. The scriptures tell us that in the end-time the United States will resemble Egypt of old. We’re seeing an escalation of end-time events. There will be captivity and bondage in the end-time. There will also be deliverance for some. We need to remember the captivity and deliverance of our fathers to know what the formula is for receiving deliverance ourselves.
I am grateful for my testimony and the gift of the Holy Ghost that helps me to see truth from error. It is such a pleasure to listen to Chief Midegah and his wonderful knowledge and giving us such lovely knowledge and enhancements to what we have in the Book of Mormon. I agree that we need to wake up, and get our feet out of Babylon! I can see very clearly the division among all people and sadly among our own. I pray with Chief Midegah's knowledge and willingness to share it, will help us all see how we are all connected and how we can come together in love and faith. Coming to New Zealand and sitting for the first time in one of their whare whakairo (their council house, I hope I got that right), I saw the similarities of how their meetings are held and our Sacrament meetings are conducted. So it all connects!
thank you chief Midegah, it is kindness. it is all of of us coming in love. it is love that is from our creator, Jesus the Christ!
Because I have studied a lot of the Native American myths and legends, I am familiar with many of his references like Turtle Island, etc. I hadn't heard of Turtle Mountain before, but I find it fascinating.
Turtle Mountain isn't a mountain... it's a figurative mountain, the "primordial mound", or the Temple. And it is located in the center of Turtle Island (North America)... right where Missouri is. It's where Adam and Eve originated. It's where Christ will come. It's where the Lehites will build the New Jerusalem. I've never heard of it before, but it fills in so many gaps. So cool!
I thought it was in North Dakota
@@CwicShow You're probably right. I probably mis-heard something he said about it.
@@CwicShowthat’s what I thought he said. The geography is very confusing. If we can ever get past the grievance phase, I’d love you to follow up with him on the geography in another video.
I'd bet Turtle Mountain is a pretty big place. :>)
There is also a turtle mountain reservation in North Dakota that he was referencing. He’s part of he says. As a member of the turtle mountain band of Chippewa, I questioned some of his authority.
This was an amazing interview Greg, thank you. My family through my fathers line were asked to settle in the four corners area. My three time great grandfather had married my three time great grandmother who was Indian. They had children together and had participated in many tribal activities. Sadly through the years and because of many wrongs and issues done to multiple family members from the white and Indian sides of my family, rifts were opened and my father eventually left the area with my family when I was about six years old. I can still remember visiting family on the Navajo reservation and spending time with multiple members of the tribe during holidays and calibrations. Sometimes I miss those times. But the divide between the two peoples is real and goes very deep. I appreciate what Chief Midegh is doing and loved listing to him. Thank you for having him on, I would love to hear from him on your show again if possible.
My father served his mission in the Navajo reservation. We have a deep love and respect for the Native American people.
I served in the Minneapolis Minnesota mission and absolutely loved my time with the peoples of the US, Canada and the great Native Nations. It felt like home there were places there that you could feel something very special. They told me a story of the Book of Mormon that has never left me and I have had a witness of the truthfulness of this great Chiefs stories. Oh how I miss the days of those great stories/histories. Thanks for everything my Brother.
I descend from Mulek's sister, Tamar Tephi, and the three Great Chiefs of the Scandinavian Peoples.Chief Midegah, we should talk. .
@turidhanssen3969 Who are the three Great Chiefs of the Scandinavian people you are referring to?
We're getting more depth now. Thank you for asking informed questions.
Interesting info. I’m Métis, part French/Cree/Ojibwa on my dad’s side. My family is from the Red River Settlement in Manitoba, Canada. I was looking up more info on him and I’m sure we’re related. My parents joined the church in 1965. We also had a Navajo girl live with us for 2 school years in the 70’s in AZ.
What a lovely compliment, you are in my tribe!
I believe President Nelson speaks with the Peacegiver daily. I'm staying anchored to Jesus Christ and I am open to what is coming, whatever that is.
Is it me or does he seem very contentious and frustrated? Sure I had friends who were in the Indian placement program as a child. I’m 55 years old now and all those Indian schools have been closed down for decades.
Obviously mistakes were made in the past, but how can we, the present generation, be held accountable for the actions of our distant ancestors?
I want to listen but I keep turning it off because I’m not getting the feeling that this is a spirit sanctioned discussion.
I hope he knows that all Americans, with few exceptions, are all but sharecroppers and peasants to the oligarchy in DC. We pay about 50% of our income in taxes and it doesn’t look like we even have a bona fide ability to elect our president of choice.
I think there are plenty of things to gripe about, but we should focus on the grace provided by Christ and embrace forgiveness and understanding.
Chief M. Is bringing forth a lot of great evidences and we are thankful for him as our brother in Christ. Whether or not the church recognizes the priesthood claim will be in the Lords hands- personally I have my doubts but keep an open mind. Follow President Nelson-he has all keys to lead the world wide church.
Where are these so-called "evidences"? I heard a lot of talk, but no evidence. Do you sincerely believe that stories from centuries ago that were not written down have never changed when passed along through oral tradition? (refer to Nephi and brass plates, fall of Lamanites without records, and even corruption of language of the Mulekites). I'm waiting for publication of these scrolls and confirmation they are authentic contemporary documents. Otherwise, it's not "evidence". Perhaps I missed it because I was only listening while working?
AS PRESIDENT GORDON B HINKLEY SAID IN HIS SPECIAL EDITION ARTICLE THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE THERE WILL BE A FALLING AWAY OF MANY OF THE SAINT^S THAT WILL NOT ACCEPT NEW?INFORMATION THAT WILL BE COMING FORTH IN OUR LAST DAYS< AND THEY WILL EITHER BELIVE IT OR THEY WILL DENY AND FALL AWAY.
They seem to already have recognized it. I thought he said in another video he was brought right into the San Diego temple and given the Melchizedek priesthood.
@@charinabottae I believe it they kept it simple.
@@charinabottae If you saw evidence, I'm sure you would find reason not to believe. Keep in mind there is no evidence for the BOM - just great reasons to believe
Brother Chief David, thank you. I have also listened to you on the other programs you have been on.
My childhood taught me that silence and a quiet voice only enable those with evil intent to have the power to twist and injure the Innocents.
We are living in a period of time where there are no excuses to not see the atrocities throughout history, ancient and recent.
People are upset because you are pushing them out of their comfort zones and they have never experienced that before and they are resistant to it.
They were not blessed as children to have to rely on the Spirit as the only safe place available
I think he is talking about he boarding schools program in Canada. Even the pope when and gave a public apology to all the survivors last year.
It's not the first time I've heard it, but I don't feel anymore uncomfortable than he does about the atrocities committed by his tride against his brothers. The are still tribal conflicts between tribes when put together on the res. Completely forgive and love.
I can feel and hear his anger. But the past is over. It's behind us. And as much as we'd like to go back and change something, we can not.
I see the comments here. I got something different from this interview. I had a spiritual moment where I felt the Lord's love for Chief Midegah and his people. Very glad I watched this. He's honest about his truth, but he has a testimony of love and unity. I think he sees that as the right solution.
Years ago I met an old Navaho man that was angry with the "Mormons". He said they stole our religion. Now I understand what he meant after listening to the Chief.
I am going to go back and watch this AGAIN. He speaks truth... Story Time: In Denmark, up until about 20+ years ago, we were a tribe of a larger tribe... lol. We were "scattered people". Danish people were ALL related to each other and stuck to that teaching in Denmark for a very long time. (The Scandinavian nations were once one people and we were separated by wars). Christianity came to Denmark and Scandinavia in the late 900's to "change the people to kindness" again. (Apparently we were barbaric😂). Danes did not believe this was a "complete religion". The religions were forced in by the British and Germans, someone can correct me on this. Upon coming to America, there were mixed marriage where you'll notice many Danish married Welsh. The connection was a dialect in words... he mentioned the tribes around the world, the eagle feather, and the 7 fires. ❤ I have the feather too and it is ONLY given by God, (like the Leahone was given to Lehi). Upon receiving this feather comes a gift and responsibility. We are to teach!! ❤ I do not use the Danish stories to teach everyone I meet, I stick to what my patriarchal blessing told me to do. Lead as a dauther of God and teach from His books and "messages". (I'm of the "lineage of Joseph"). ❤ I'm impressed to hear David speak. I'd like to know his communications with "Navajo - Hopi", (there are many tribes in this region). It is taught we have 4 existences and I'd like to know what he has to share on that with us. Before anyone goes all crazy reading this and accusing the Scandinavian people of "worshipping mythological creatures", make sure you understand the pure truth behind those names, places and things rather than referring to history channels and Walt Disney 😉 In closing, the Danish, Upon arriving to Salt Lake Valley, were sent to settle San Pete, Utah... living with the natives of this land -- surrounding them. If anyone Scandinavian is reading this, search the new archives that have been released and are now available to the public in Denmar, Sweden and Norway... this is fairly new due to governments in these regions wanting to keep their people, stories and history protected.
Can you provide more information about these new archives? I've been doing research on the religious beliefs of the "heathen" Scandinavians prior to Christianization. My ancestors are Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, Anglo-Saxon, and Welsh so it's very important to me that I learn of their myths.
Thank you for sharing your story! I also can resonate with Chief. We are on the path to unity in Christ, across cultures, borders, and time.
@@webwarrior1.038 Go to "Archives of Denmark" and you'll see they have a new building for family history... I personally believe The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Thanks for your input. According to my DNA, I have a large percentage of Scandinavian blood in me. Was no surprise because my maternal grandfather's name is Swinson. It's interesting to learn about that heritage.
@DoctorSuezz Thank you. Interesting. I have Swedish ancestors.
They had a huge Indian school in Brigham City, Utah. Parts of it are still there. They have been repurposed. The rest of the buildings were demolished and have been replaced with rows and rows of townhouses. You can still see the big "I" on the mountain. I remember the Indian placement program. Never thought much about it. The Indians were there with us. They were not treated any differently than anybody else. They were part of us.
There was a sister in my ward whose mother went on a mission to the Navaho people. They were not at all surprised about the Book of Mormon. They still didnt accept the gospel.
I thought it was interesting. However I read the book Killing of the Flower Moon. I understand the reticence to do anything from the white man.
I sit with tears streaming down my face as we feel the Great Spirit together. What a great land and how I miss it.
Am I the only one who feels like this gentlemen has a hard time answering questions that are asked? I would forget the original question about 3 minutes into every answer. I respect what he is saying but don’t feel he was answering any questions or maybe it’s a cultural thing I’m missing.
35:49 I am really enjoying your conversation but from my own experience what Chief Midegah stated briefly about the LDS placement program just does not represent reality. My father was an educator and school principal. The schools on the reservations did not provide good opportunities for the children then. The Navajo children we had in our home were encouraged to share their culture and to speak their native language with their local native peers and on occasion long distance phone with their families. They came voluntarily and with the blessings of their parents who twice traveled from Arizona to Utah to visit us. This was a voluntary program. At the same time we did voluntary missionary work as a family among Utes on the White Rocks Reservation in Utah providing opportunities to participate in the restored gospel. There was a tendency there to jealousy of any who broke away from the problems associated with rampant alcoholism. One exceptional set of three siblings rose above this negative aspect, attended BYU, participated in The Lamanite Generation there, the sister became runner up to Miss Indian America sharing her beautiful spirit with choreography and native sign language. She is a beautiful human being in every way but especially her heart!
I forgot to mention the kids always went home for the summer. One large family lived in a traditional hogan and the parents continued to wear their modest yet beautiful traditional native clothing when they traveled to visit us. We felt great admiration for them and their love for their children!
When the government uses the word voluntary you know its really not. 😢
It was great to meet both of you in person yesterday. I felt good about you both in person. Thank you for all you guys do!
Listening now.
Test ALL things hold fast to what is good.
If your siblings had been removed from your home and placed in a loving latter-saint home, they could have been saved from so much pain.
Who are you referring to?
It wasn't always loving is the thing
@@GwPoKo Not in Canada apparently, with schools that were not part of our church.
I totally agree Midegah David regarding the history, brotherhood and the LDS people need to receive the gift of knowledge and history that they have maintained through the centuries. We are all brothers and need to grow with all the gifts of each. Thank you for sharing.
I grew up next to and had many friends who were Blackfoot, Shoshone/Bannock tribes. The cultural differences were startling as a young white American between Judeo Christian upbringing and watching my dear friends who were just awesome Native Americans. The cultures were very different but needed each other.
One of the most cool things I remember were their prayers, celebrations, and dances. I loved the culture and the direct stories with their land and animals. Each having a purpose on the earth and considered 'brothers' of the people.
I now live in Oklahoma where I often speak and live with the Cherokee, Osage, Pawnee, Creek, Choctaw, Tonkawa, Ponca, Otoe-Missouria, Sac and Fox, Kicakpoo, Iowa, Potawatomi, Shawnee, Seminole, Chickasaw, Kiowa Comanche Apache, Caddo-Wichita-Deleware, and Cheyenne Arapaho. Also, the Miami, Quapaw, Peroia, Ottawa, Modoc, Eastern Shawnee, Wyandotte, Seenca-Cayuga. The State of Oklahoma is filled with Christians - considered the belt buckle of the Bible belt. These two people live together in love and structured harmony. He is exactly right that Kindness is required.
These people KNOW the Atonement and LIVE it AS PART OF THEIR ANCESTRAL DUTY. Despite all the atrocities (and trust me the list is TERRIBLE, DISPICABLE, and nearly UNFORGIVEABLE) that have befallen their people, the choose peace out of ancestral respect and duty -- -- -- can you imagine losing your children - having them ripped from you - you then try to reconnect with them waiting outside their schools to see them and they will not let you even speak with them? If you did not experience it, you would not know the anguish that daily comes from losing your child and culture...The only way is to see your brother with the eye of forgiveness. This is their right of passage to the heavens. God will put us literally on our knees to get there. These people are not yelling out of anger - they are screaming from the dust to WAKE UP and LIVE THE GOSPEL.
The term BURY THE HATCHET means to MAKE PEACE - Think of the most life changing trauma you have experienced and then try to bury that hatred/anger/trauma deep in the earth for Mother to take care of and heal. You may never dig that up mentally or emotionally again forgetting and forgiving the atrocity or trauma as part of your human obligation to your people and your ancestors.
Exactly 50 years after the Battle of Little Bighorn, in 1926, Sioux Indian Chief White Bull and General Edward Settle Godfrey buried the hatchet at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Garryowen, Montana. It was near this site that Custer divided his forces and began his attack against the Sioux, Arapahoe and Cheyenne that were camped within the Valley of the Little Bighorn.
The phrase was used in 1759 by the Shawnee orator Missiweakiwa when it became obvious that the French war effort during the Seven Years' War (French and Indian War) was collapsing. The Shawnees had sided with the French against the English, but now the Shawnee would "bury the bloody Hatchet" with the English.
At the Return Day festival in Georgetown, Delaware, which occurs after each Election Day, a "burying of the hatchet" ceremony is performed by the Sussex County chairs of the Democratic and Republican parties. The ceremony symbolizes the two parties making peace after the election and moving on.
The Treaty of Hopewell, signed by Col. Benjamin Hawkins, Gen. Andrew Pickens and Headman McIntosh, in Keowee, South Carolina in 1795 established the boundary of the Cherokee Nation, and made use of the phrase "bury the hatchet". Article 11 reads, "The hatchet shall be forever buried, and the peace given by the United States, and friendship re-established between the said states on the one part, and all the Cherokees on the other, shall be universal; and the contracting parties shall use their utmost endeavors to maintain the peace given as aforesaid, and friendship re-established."
Alma 24
16 And now, my brethren, if our brethren seek to destroy us, behold, we will hide away our swords, yea, even we will bury them deep in the earth, that they may be kept bright, as a testimony that we have never used them, at the last day; and if our brethren destroy us, behold, we shall go to our God and shall be saved.
17 And now it came to pass that when the king had made an end of these sayings, and all the people were assembled together, they took their swords, and all the weapons which were used for the shedding of man’s blood, and they did bury them up deep in the earth.
I share this as each of us REGARDLESS of how difficult the trauma or atrocity has been, is required to invoke the ATONEMENT - BURY THE WEAPONS - MAKE PEACE. Pray Mother and Father can help you to do this for it is your ancestral duty. Isn't it interesting that the LDS church has its own ancestral requirement to forgive the trauma from early persecution similar to that of their Native American family. We don't have to be in the same canoe to be with you.
Have you ever read He Walked the Americas by L Taylor Hansen?
Amen & thsnks to both of you Brothers and Elders.
I'm lifelong LDS, Judah, and also have Artemus Millet as an ancestor, my Grandpa's name is Archie Millet. There's more.
Thank you!
I have one request, May I ask that my name/channel I.D. be hidden or made private?
I won't delete it, but this is only the 3rd time I've given thanks or left my name to such a potential audience
You both know better than I do.
@@kurtiszobell7799 I am not aware of a way to do that on my end. On your end, you could change the name of your channel/ID.
You have to go into your CZcams account and edit it. Are you on an android? I can tell you how to do it. @@kurtiszobell7799
I will only be held accountable for my sins and nobody elses.....period.
Well the doctrine and covenants say otherwise
David... you got me with the bull moose!! I too have spent ten hours a day out in nature for 30 years. Sometimes weeks at a time. It became my work, my love and my temple closet to the Lord, at the time. The Holy Spirit followed me and kept me safe and I knew it. I so miss it now.
From a broken family moving from place to place as a child and once seeing three schools in one year, to discovering peace, order and beauty even on stormy days in uncorrupt wilderness.
I've travelled that same path. But you've developed a much bigger heart than I on your journeys.... I still kill every blood sucking mosquito that's not smarter or quicker than me!! 😆
I have seen your guest on many other stations and I can’t put a pin in it but there is something contentious and off about him. It is very hard to figure out what he is saying is true or not.
We felt similarly and only watched a few minutes.
Agreed. I’m in the watch and wait camp. I don’t feel the need to believe him or defend him. I follow the prophet.
@@atravismoore We are suppose to bear one another's burdens, are we not? It's part of our baptismal covenants. He's angry and for good reasons. They need help processing anger mindfully with the Holy Ghost.
Finished the interview. This has an odd spirit about it.
Lots of folks were really excited about Mark Hofmann and his documents. Sorry to appear being judgemental, but I think we all need to take a deep breath here. I hope I'm wrong.
We should always take a deep breath.
@@CwicShow I would like to state for the record that my comment was not to imply for one second that I think Chief Medigah is another Mark Hoffman. My fear is that this is how it was received. I am truly sorry if this was the case. Please forgive my poorly chosen words and hurt this may have caused.
I'm feeling humbled, but also resolved in my genuine concern.
I believe many of our faithful members of the church are justified in sharing in this concern. We are sometimes a naive...even gullible, for lack of a better term, loving people. Easily conned by even our own members.
We've been listening to you because many are eager to learn more of the people we hold dear in the book that connects us to our Heavenly parents and our Savior Jesus Christ. You have an exciting history to share with your brothers and sisters and I have little to no doubt that it or you are authentic. However, to put it simply, your delivery is kind of bad. 😋 Maybe a PR assistant could help.
Commenter's have pointed this out and you've responded, even doubling down with more anger and arrogance. No one is denying the horrible treatment the indigenous people received at the hand of the Gentiles. Even your own immediate family. You have a right to know your father and we all pray for your success in resolving these matters in the courts.
Commenter's have stated the sentiment, He's not angry, I love his energy, he's exercising righteous indignation. Or he has a right to be angry. I'm really not trying to preach to you, but please try and teach in the Saviors way.
You know this because I believe you have a testimony of the Atonement. As Christ hung on the cross he plead with the Father, forgive them they know not what they do. He was not angry. The Ammonites, taught us their example by "burying" their hatred for their Nephite brothers. We want to hear you, but it's very difficult over the sound of clashing swords.
Love and respect for you Brother Taylor.
@@ColemanOutdoors Healthy skepticism is always good. These things will all be hashed out.
@@CwicShow Thanks for the reassurance, brother!
It’s not the Holy Spirit, in my experience
Very interesting. Thank you Chief David
Love the connections and mention of Jacob Wawatie, Phil Lane, and others. Beautiful!
I am Ojibwe from my great-great-grandfather's side on my dad's side. He denied his ancestry because he was afraid of what would happen to him and his family if he were to be recognized as a native American back in the days that he lived. He died in the 1936 born in 1867
Priesthood has to be redispensed at the start of every dispensation.
This is easily disprovable.
@@cameronmayer2153 not really that’s why Christ redispensed the priesthood when he came to the Americas
@@gusburton2371 while that’s an interesting idea, there’s a bit more to it than that. Part of the problem is that our cultural way of talking about “dispensations” never quite moves beyond what is taught in the missionary lessons (I.e. a time in which the church is on the earth). In truth, there’s much more to the idea of a “dispensation.” For example, Abel is described as having a dispensation, as well as Elijah. These all overlapped with others, for their own specific purposes, and weren’t something of a “hard reset” on all priesthood everywhere. We also know Lehi was given a dispensation, yet this didn’t require everyone in Israel to come and receive the priesthood under his hand. We also know Abraham received a dispensation, yet this didn’t require the Jaredites (or Melchizedek) to come receive the priesthood from him. Even during Jesus’ own mortal ministry, wherein he was ordaining his own apostles, he still respected and observed the Aaronic priesthood held by the priests.
Chief Medigah has a wonderful story.
Missouri Executive Order 44 was a state executive order issued by Missouri Governor Lilburn Boggs on October 27, 1838 to exterminate Mormons. That order was not repelled until June 25, 1976. I think we as a church can identify with some of what you are saying.
As always, geeat episode Greg!! Thank you Chief Midegah!! What am amazing history lesson!! I need to get use to very straight forward conversation and passion.
Yes!!!! Been waiting for this episode to become reality!!
This is a fascinating discussion, but you have to look at 8 or 10 other similar YT videos to get the full story. I will be at the Land of Promise conference in Spanish Fork on 21-22 June 2024 and hope to learn more. I can see why Chief Midegah has bursts of anger and burst of kindness. Blood quantum levels have been a disaster (1/2, 1/4, 1/8). The Savior taught peace and kindness and no contention. However, a mighty gentile nation was raised up to scatter and smite the descendants of Lehi. I never hear Midegah talk about the atonement.
We have evidence from the 1823 SCOTUS saying that Indians don't own land and the 1830 Indian removal act. Being placed on reservations that keep shrinking in size. The Utes lost over 1 million acres about 1905 when boundaries were redrawn in eastern Utah to facilitate gold mines being transferred away from the Utes.
1 Nephi 13:13-14 states,
"13 And it came to pass that I beheld the Spirit of God, that it wrought upon other Gentiles; and they went forth out of captivity, upon the many waters.
14 And it came to pass that I beheld many multitudes of the Gentiles upon the land of promise; and I beheld the wrath of God, that it was upon the seed of my brethren; and they were scattered before the Gentiles and were smitten."
Verses 19-42 states.
19 And I, Nephi, beheld that the Gentiles that had gone out of captivity were delivered by the power of God out of the hands of all other nations.
20 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld that they did prosper in the land; and I beheld a book, and it was carried forth among them.
21 And the angel said unto me: Knowest thou the meaning of the book?
22 And I said unto him: I know not.
23 And he said: Behold it proceedeth out of the mouth of a Jew. And I, Nephi, beheld it; and he said unto me: The book that thou beholdest is a record of the Jews, which contains the covenants of the Lord, which he hath made unto the house of Israel; and it also containeth many of the prophecies of the holy prophets; and it is a record like unto the engravings which are upon the plates of brass, save there are not so many; nevertheless, they contain the covenants of the Lord, which he hath made unto the house of Israel; wherefore, they are of great worth unto the Gentiles.
24 And the angel of the Lord said unto me: Thou hast beheld that the book proceeded forth from the mouth of a Jew; and when it proceeded forth from the mouth of a Jew it contained the fulness of the gospel of the Lord, of whom the twelve apostles bear record; and they bear record according to the truth which is in the Lamb of God.
25 Wherefore, these things go forth from the Jews in purity unto the Gentiles, according to the truth which is in God.
26 And after they go forth by the hand of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, from the Jews unto the Gentiles, thou seest the formation of that great and abominable church, which is most abominable above all other churches; for behold, they have taken away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are plain and most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they taken away.
27 And all this have they done that they might pervert the right ways of the Lord, that they might blind the eyes and harden the hearts of the children of men.
28 Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God.
29 And after these plain and precious things were taken away it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles; and after it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles, yea, even across the many waters which thou hast seen with the Gentiles which have gone forth out of captivity, thou seest-because of the many plain and precious things which have been taken out of the book, which were plain unto the understanding of the children of men, according to the plainness which is in the Lamb of God-because of these things which are taken away out of the gospel of the Lamb, an exceedingly great many do stumble, yea, insomuch that Satan hath great power over them.
30 Nevertheless, thou beholdest that the Gentiles who have gone forth out of captivity, and have been lifted up by the power of God above all other nations, upon the face of the land which is choice above all other lands, which is the land that the Lord God hath covenanted with thy father that his seed should have for the land of their inheritance; wherefore, thou seest that the Lord God will not suffer that the Gentiles will utterly destroy the mixture of thy seed, which are among thy brethren.
31 Neither will he suffer that the Gentiles shall destroy the seed of thy brethren.
32 Neither will the Lord God suffer that the Gentiles shall forever remain in that awful state of blindness, which thou beholdest they are in, because of the plain and most precious parts of the gospel of the Lamb which have been kept back by that abominable church, whose formation thou hast seen.
33 Wherefore saith the Lamb of God: I will be merciful unto the Gentiles, unto the visiting of the remnant of the house of Israel in great judgment.
34 And it came to pass that the angel of the Lord spake unto me, saying: Behold, saith the Lamb of God, after I have visited the remnant of the house of Israel-and this remnant of whom I speak is the seed of thy father-wherefore, after I have visited them in judgment, and smitten them by the hand of the Gentiles, and after the Gentiles do stumble exceedingly, because of the most plain and precious parts of the gospel of the Lamb which have been kept back by that abominable church, which is the mother of harlots, saith the Lamb-I will be merciful unto the Gentiles in that day, insomuch that I will bring forth unto them, in mine own power, much of my gospel, which shall be plain and precious, saith the Lamb.
35 For, behold, saith the Lamb: I will manifest myself unto thy seed, that they shall write many things which I shall minister unto them, which shall be plain and precious; and after thy seed shall be destroyed, and dwindle in unbelief, and also the seed of thy brethren, behold, these things shall be hid up, to come forth unto the Gentiles, by the gift and power of the Lamb.
36 And in them shall be written my gospel, saith the Lamb, and my rock and my salvation.
37 And blessed are they who shall seek to bring forth my Zion at that day, for they shall have the gift and the power of the Holy Ghost; and if they endure unto the end they shall be lifted up at the last day, and shall be saved in the everlasting kingdom of the Lamb; and whoso shall publish peace, yea, tidings of great joy, how beautiful upon the mountains shall they be.
38 And it came to pass that I beheld the remnant of the seed of my brethren, and also the book of the Lamb of God, which had proceeded forth from the mouth of the Jew, that it came forth from the Gentiles unto the remnant of the seed of my brethren.
39 And after it had come forth unto them I beheld other books, which came forth by the power of the Lamb, from the Gentiles unto them, unto the convincing of the Gentiles and the remnant of the seed of my brethren, and also the Jews who were scattered upon all the face of the earth, that the records of the prophets and of the twelve apostles of the Lamb are true.
40 And the angel spake unto me, saying: These last records, which thou hast seen among the Gentiles, shall establish the truth of the first, which are of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, and shall make known the plain and precious things which have been taken away from them; and shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior of the world; and that all men must come unto him, or they cannot be saved.
41 And they must come according to the words which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in one; for there is one God and one Shepherd over all the earth.
42 And the time cometh that he shall manifest himself unto all nations, both unto the Jews and also unto the Gentiles; and after he has manifested himself unto the Jews and also unto the Gentiles, then he shall manifest himself unto the Gentiles and also unto the Jews, and the last shall be first, and the first shall be last.
Samuel the Lamanite stated in Helaman 15:12-13,
12 Yea, I say unto you, that in the latter times the promises of the Lord have been extended to our brethren, the Lamanites; and notwithstanding the many afflictions which they shall have, and notwithstanding they shall be driven to and fro upon the face of the earth, and be hunted, and shall be smitten and scattered abroad, having no place for refuge, the Lord shall be merciful unto them.
13 And this is according to the prophecy, that they shall again be brought to the true knowledge, which is the knowledge of their Redeemer, and their great and true shepherd, and be numbered among his sheep.
The Chief is incredible. One is to learn more knowledge!
Yes, so much this, I was born in 1978 and we had been hiding in the white ancestry. I'm the first generation to be white enough not to fall under the blood quantum to be able to be controlled too.
What people also don't realize are the genera/ions who had to do everything better, perfectly, to feel like they would be accepted.
So happy to hear what stories your people hold.
It all comes down to what this man brings to the table! If he presents authentic scrolls and historical records that are true and valid then the saints better buckle up because this is the beginning of a very significant prophecy that will be fulfilled in preparation for the New Jerusalem and those who have ears to hear and eyes to see know this!
I really understand your passion. You are right, American Gentile nation totally recked families. It was so prophesied, you are part of a great awakening, as is my wife and millions of others who come from the tribes. They will ruse and put on their beautiful garments of light and come to know and understand. What has been taken away, lost, a take on their role in the great story of the largest gathering known to manshall be restored. Greater than the exodus from spiritual Egypt. We truly will assist our brothers to build Zion and the Lords temple. For we are the Saviors servants. I grew up among my brothers and many have forgotten the teachings of the Savior. There is a certain spiritual light my brothers who have joined the church. Thank you for the show.
Laman and Lemuel rebelled. Nobody forced them down any path. They chose their path and rebelled. Because they chose rebellion, they chose their end.
Liz..... I unsubscribed from Pastor Jeff. A lot of LDS people are.
I’m not too fond of Pastor Jeff from Hello Saints also.
Brother Midegah (Medigah if Brother Matsen got the spelling right on the video title),
As Brothers in Christ, I (and likely, most others) are on your side. We are just, overall, uninitiated to all of the context behind the emotion from what you say.
I think Chief Midegah is right. His warning reiterates dramatically 3 Nephi 21:20-25;
20. For it shall come to pass, saith the Father, that at that day whosoever will not repent and come unto my Beloved Son, them will I cut off from among my people, O house of Israel;
21. And I will execute vengeance and fury upon them, even as upon the heathen, such as they have not heard.
22. But if they will repent and hearken unto my words, and harden not their hearts, I will establish my church among them, and they shall come in unto the covenant and be numbered among this the remnant of Jacob, unto whom I have given this land for their inheritance;
23. And they shall assist my people, the remnant of Jacob, and also as many of the house of Israel as shall come, that they may build a city, which shall be called the New Jerusalem.
24. And then shall they assist my people that they may be gathered in, who are scattered upon all the face of the land, in unto the New Jerusalem.
25. And then shall the power of heaven come down among them; and I also will be in the midst.
If we, who are the Gentiles of the Church, fail to assist these who are of the natural branches of the House of Israel, the remnant of Jacob, then we will be cast off as if we never were of the covenant.
As covenant Israel, we are no longer gentiles.
@@atravismoore In the scriptures, especially the Book of Mormon, we in the Church are identified with the Gentiles.
Just because you receive the covenant doesn’t mean your calling and election is made sure !! We are all responsible for a portion of the kingdom ,but we have to know what those responsibilities are which requires work and then want to do them ,difficult at times !! very much like the conversation we will need to have in the future (hard conversation for both the hearer and the speaker)
@TheYgds no, when we’ve made a covenant, we are adopted into the house of Israel. The warning is truly toward gentiles (non-covenant makers)
@@atravismoore That numbering with the House of Israel doesn't happen until we have proven that we have fulfilled our eschatological role. Besides, Gentile just means "mixed blood", all have a bit of Israel in them. Our ancestors were called Gentiles by Nephi, those who accept the Book of Mormon, the same, and we are not numbered with them till just before Christ comes, and only if we stand with the natural lineages and build Zion. If we don't fulfill the role, God will not count us as part of the House of Israel. Lets not become like the early Church and start calling our detractors Gentiles, we have no right.
Thank you Cheif Midagah!!
I love your message and spirit.
What would you say about "The song of redeeming Love" that's what I have been thinking since early in your message. Thank you so much my brother for your mission and your beautiful message to all of us.
It’s important to remember that this individual only has as much truth as he has been able to gather, and not all of it will be truth. He is sifting through what he learns, just like the rest of us have to sift through what is certainly a convoluted collection of histories, memories, traditions, legends, and certainly some very significant untruths. I welcome this new information and look forward to what truth is found within it, but caution, anyone from accepting everything that comes forth as being correct, or true.
It was, after all, Laman and Lemuel that propagated one of the early untruths about how they were deceived, and stripped of power, by their father Lehi. They deceived themselves and stripped themselves of their own potential. Then they subsequently taught lies to their children, who taught their children the same lies. The good records that will come forth, will be from the righteous people who lived during the many generations of these civilizations. Rest assured that Satan is not going to stand idly by and allow only the truth to be revealed.
I can't imagine being trapped in the same car with this guy. I'll walk thanks
I cannot hear what he is saying because his arrogance is so loud. Find someone else to relate the story and I would be happy to continue hearing it. I would also like to ask who the Algonquins conquered to obtain the lands he says were theirs. White men were NOT the first conquerors in North America.
There is a lot of good to learn here…
Thank you, Chief David Midegah. Love your wisdom. I wonder if he has ever heard of Wovoka and the Ghost dance? A time in history when the Native Americans were brought low to the dust and a prophet of God called them "vanishing Americans." Itsa came to many Native Americans and told them if they lived in peace with the Whites, they would one day be given their lands back. Wovoka taught what he was instructed by Itza including the Ghost Dance.
@midegahogichidaa Thank you! A breath of fresh air. I love your approach! I'm grateful for your knowledge. Time for Ephraim to WAKE UP and get both feet gathering in Zion and OUT OF BABYLON!!! THE TIME IS NOW!!! 🔥❤️
This was a wonderful interview, I can't believe that Chief Midegah is only 21 years old, or did I hear that wrong? He is a very eloquent speaker and has been given a gift in his ability to express himself. May we all learn to love and respect each other at this time and treat each other with kindness especially when there has been so much division so we can ALL be part of ushering in the 8th age (Millineum). I hope you have him on again.
I think he's 47 years old. He was telling a story & started.out with..."and I'm 21 years old & blah, blah." .it kind of threw me off too, then I remembered from another podcast he said he was 47.
He said he was 21 when he went to boot camp and the temple
The book of Jacob ch 4 plainly speaks of these times in the parable of the vineyard. How haughty and lofty will the “Mormons” prove out to be? Sharp tongues are sent to warn them. What? Have you forgotten. These were cut off that you might be grafted in. Do you suppose the natural branch cannot be grafted back into the mother tree without your permission? Beware Gentiles! Deny the sharp tongue and you will be cut off. You will be self condemned by denying that which was made an intercessory sacrifice that you might receive.
Agreed. As does the apostal Paul... Romans 11:13-23
The Chief is just speaking truth not out of anger!!
Midegah is right! It is a tragedy what has been done to our Native American brothers and sisters. An embarrassment to the Europeans.
I admire your passion and openness, Brother.
Would you say any descendent of the Aztec should be embarrassed? Or the Crow? Or the Huns? Japanese? etc etc? or should shame be exclusively placed on hu-whites?
Great video!