Changing American History - feat. Hannah Stoddard
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How has American history changed over the last 100 years? Who writes that history, and what narratives do those historical authors adopt?
Is American History built primarily on a Greco-Roman philological chassis, or is Christianity at its core? What role has "covenant" played in the founding of America? How does the Protestant Reformation open the door to democracy?
We also discuss the inextricable connection between liberty and the Doctrine of Christ outlined in the Book of Mormon,
Hannah Stoddard covers these topics with passionate, articulate arguments gained from her research. Hannah is the director of the Joseph Smith Foundation and often speaks about the founding of America.
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Hannah is a young woman with strength of character and wise beyond her years.
Hannah is amazing and I love listening to her. Such a strong, intelligent woman of faith.
Agreed!
@@CwicShow.Hannah’s great!
Hannah Stoddard is a great guest to have on.
Like a breath of fresh air!
Hannah Stoddard you are your parent's Daughter. The family is proud of you.
Does she have a relationship with her mother?
8 minutes in and we're talking about restricting access to scriptures. This is exactly what has happened in the last several years with the religion of scientism. Only experts are allowed to see the sacred scientific research and interpret it for the unwashed masses. There are so many parallels to what we're going through now and what every other religious reformation has looked like. Scientism is the new religion.
Perfectly said!!!
Stepping back in time to the old days when only the Priests and Bishops of Rome could read, handle and interpret what the Bible said.
@@davidhawkins5719
Difference being that back then a prophet had a pure heart for God. Today is straight greed and fame.
@@christinemiller1946 - Except - the restriction for people on seeing the bible wasn't in the times of the actual prophets... in prophet's times, their words were communicated in many ways by the saints. The control of religious text happened when the sat-an-ic world order took over the label of "christianity" and killed all the true believers.
@@Jeanie-nv7lo Mystery Babylon, Mother of Harlots is becoming less and less of a mystery.
I agree with Hannah, we need to link Liberty with all the Scriptures we have. Liberty/agency is the main issue in the plan of salvation.
In a world of wannabe top dogs, choose to be an underdog for the Lord.
I too first came across Hannah on the Hello saints summit. I was so impressed with her knowledge, passion for history, and love of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Thanks, Greg for having her on your podcast.
Amen and Amen
She is inspiring on a multitude of topics.
Loved the take on the RLDS connection to the issues with history. Glad to see this called out since it appears many are beginning to adopt these ideas that actually are antithetical to the Gospel and what Joseph restored.
Only got a minute into the discussion and would like to add that it really needs to go back further, to the ancient Israelites. That is where the foundational doctrines were laid Cleon skousen does an excellent job in teaching the correlation between ancient Israel and America's founding. But i agree, Hannah and her work are a great source for truth!!!!
Fantastic discussions Greg and Hannah. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
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Glad you enjoyed it!
Oh, boy! I really appreciate her explanation of how the writing of history has changed over the past century or so. And, yes, her explanation makes perfect sense to me.
The Gospel being about liberty also ties in to the flood being because of the loss of free agency as several prophets have said that the problem with the days of Noah was that it would not be right for children to be born into a world where they would not be able to choose right from wrong.
"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins."
-- Benjamin Franklin
Yes, precisely why the Prussian education model was championed by the likes of progressives US Secretary of State Horace Mann , Elwood Cubberly, with a dose of Darwinism, education reformer John W. Dewey, and yes FDR himself established compulsory institutionalized public education.
The 6 tenets of the Prussian model was to essentially produce a marginally informed - and malleable factory work force - NOT an informed citizenry, but a compliant and obedient - dumbed down people. and get this- we were knowingly and intentionally fed a boring and tedious cognitive diet of dates and events - with very little context or interest woven into it.
There was no mistake - "The Academics again, knew what they were doing" See what John Taylor Gatto has to say about it.
Love seeing Hannah on different podcasts. Shes getting better with the more experience she is getting.
The Truth Shall Set You Free!
Fascinating. I like learning. I like learning from the faithful even more. God bless.
Amazing discussion! Thanks, Greg and Hannah!! ❤
What an insightful conversation. A big thanks to both of you!❤️❤️❤️
It is so true that many in academia do not believe in God. I remember taking a history class on religions in America at the University of California. I loved history and took quite a few classes, as I was a history minor. I do not know if the professor believed in God, as he never went into belief or faith. I remember one student, however, who said he was going to pursue a PHD in Religion at one of the Ivy League universities. We both belonged to the same study group for another class, and one day, he asked what religion I belonged to. When I told him that I belonged to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, he immediately went on a verbal attack, loudly proclaiming that I worshipped devils and demons! He did this in a public area of the University where many students gathered to eat lunch. He did not stop his raging for about an hour and never allowed me to get a word in. What was odd is that later, in private, he apologized to me, stating that he knew many of the things that he had spewed at me were from antis and probably contained a lot of untruths. He said that he did not believe in God, and though he belonged to another church, he did not believe in it. He also asked me to pray for him, because I might be right! It made me think of the scripture in the Bible where Paul says there will be many who are "ever learning but never coming to a knowledge of the truth". 2 Timothy 3:7. These professors and students of religion were very "learned" however, were barren like the seplecures Christ talked about. Spiritual truth is only revealed through the Holy Spirit to one who is humble enough to pray and ask God, with a sincere heart.
Great story. I've also seen this. And this is how some people debate by not letting you say one word of defense. And so they walk away thinking and telling others how they beat you. 🙄. Never letting anyone else , know you never gave them.a response.
I listened to a lady the other day make an unintentional case for basically, our doctrine much of the time, only to find out she’s atheist but believed what she was teaching according to the scriptures. I wondered why scholars will not accept their own findings unless it’s against God!
The BEST Episode I have ever watched on this channel.
This was a fantastic topic and Hannah was a great guest. Thank you!
Hannah is the best!! I’m a huge fan!!
Also if people would read the federalist papers, we learn more of who our Founding were. I love the Federalist papers and also Cati's letters i find are even more telling.
Do you mean Cato?
You hit the nail on the head with this one! Great job! Thank you! We need more simple truths like this!
MORE PLEASE!!! Love both of you!!! ❤️
Yes!!!!!! More collabs with Hannah!!!!
@cwicmedia Greg there is a 4th thing that has come from the RLDS church and that is women in the priesthood. There may be more but that is a pretty big one also.
I appreciate every aspect of your conversation today! A wonderful summation and more of my thoughts on these topics. I could not agree with you more. All of it is important and worthy of more personal study and group discussion. Thanks! I already follow both of you.
Dissenters always seek emancipation from judgment. Liberty and accountability can’t be separated, thus, liberty must be reduced. Christ is the righteous judge. He is the law giver. Thus, to be free from judgement you must be free from the law; free from Christ. Dissenters seek to be a law unto themselves, and their own judge.
I love this episode❤
I love her so much!!! And you both!!
Thank you so much for this video and all my love your way!
I loved this podcast, I’ll share it with as many people as I can. Thank you for all that you do, I pray for your continued success!
I would love Hannah to come speak to my stake young adult/ youth! She’s amazing 😊
Amen Hannah and Greg! Amen!
Excellent
What a great woman!
Thank you. Very insightful in understanding today's trends of "wokeism" and the societal backlash against religion and restored truths.
She's amazing!!!
Wow! Excellent video! Right up my ally of research and interest.
I will be searching for more of such from the both of you. Thank you so much.
Excellent! Thank you!
Great episode.
The temple is absolutely the target. The gqblt and coming soon p issues are the strings being used the most and are linked to the polygamy issues, location issues and they all culminate to subvert temples and priesthood, but most importantly God. I wish Hannah could have talked more, it’s always a pleasure to have her on these channels I watch and watching her punch up at these very popular and very convincing detractors.
So enlightening!! So glad Hannah moved on from rough stone rolling issues.😊
I love this episode!! Love it ❤.
Regarding how George Washigton could have been king of the US, research the Newburgh Conspiracy, in which his officers were disillusioned with the Confederation Congress and tried to get Washington to take over and be king. Of course, he refused. A good video that describes this is "George Washington; The Man Who Wouldn't Be King" by David McCullough.
Loved this!
YES, YES, and YES
Love this, it inspires me to do better and learn so much more!
I read a book about by the three enlightenments, the French, the Scottish, and the American, which clears up the confusion.
Name? Author?
@jenniferzapata5698 yes, what book? Please share!!!
Satan cant get rid of Christ but he has proven that he can get man to get rid of Christ! Satan has entered the desenters!
We don’t make covenants with God… He makes the covenant and we obey his covenant.
I believe wokism is the philosophies of men mingled with scriptures. The scripture part is when you’re supposed to tolerate and be a good Christian… Total misinterpretation.
Thank you Greg and Hannah!!!!!!! What a great discussion, so full of good things. What is the book you are working on, how soon will it be out?
Working title is "The Interpreters" It will be out later this fall.
Fabulous, I look forward to it.
I love her!!!!! and I love her channel!!!
"What is he going after ultimately?".
Fantastic question!
No Temple, and the most we can hope for is the Terrestrial Kingdom, which President Oaks has taught us like the popular conception of Heaven!
LOVE Hannah and her work. Hadn't made the RLDS "connection" before! Good catch! lol
I have that book The Story of the Latter-day Saints. The Book was written by James Allen and Glen Leonard. The forward was written by Leonard Arrington, who said the Church Historical Department had approval of the First Presidency to prepare the book.
Thank you for the video.
A thought came to my mind when you were talking about covenants -
We “enter into” a covenant.
It’s something we actually move into and leave behind what we can no longer be.
We say we make a covenant with God - but He created it - we choose to become a part of it or not.
I am responsible to choose Him or not. There is no other choice. But it is my choice to make.
I like it!
I appreciate your comment. Also, we receive an endowment, we don't take it out.
Thank you for this comment!
Brilliant approach! Reformation is poorly covered in public school. Just a footnote , really .
What are you talking about the Meso American model comes from the RLDS? Hugh Nibley and so many other prominent LDS preached this.
Yes, we are to HELP those who are being persecuted. But not allow those who are coming in armed to harm us, there is a difference. May our country wake up and again worship our Father in Heaven, worship Jesus Christ! 🙏
I agree, the Abrahamic Covenant is the Linchpin to understanding the Restored Church and the scriptures. It is our relationship to Christ.
The picture of this video is hilarious
Everyone seems to forget after the War between the States, that the English settlements began in 1607 in Virginia. It was based on English Common law. It was New England that was full of the Religious based settlements. Before people brush off Virginia, remember MANY of the founders came from Virginia.
I bring this up because the early American Progressives that morphed into the modern Woke movement came from New England Churches. That is why many elected Republicans seem like left wingers using the brakes, because they are descended from 19th century Progressives. The Conservatives got crushed & the Democrats became infiltrated & flipped by the Marxists.
I have always been told that the Constitution was an inspired document, well remember much of it came from Virginians, not Pilgrims. Virginia had its own religious based influences.
Maybe I a just shouting at the wind, the early LDS church was based out of New York & Ohio & they were closer to New England which preferred Centralized government than Virginia which was home to Decentralized Federal government.
@juancholo7502 thank you for this comment!
57:49 I would love to have more discussion/podcast on this topic. I feel like there has been a lot more discourse around giving the other restorationiat groups more credential with almost this “victimhood” mentality around it. But at the same time, I never hear about (not to say that it never happens) “prog-mos” leaving our church and joining the more “progressive” Community of Christ (or any other established branches. Maybe they will start their own).
Agree!!! Let's explore that more!!!
Sadly I a family I know who left the church and would go to another restoration church if one was near. They are deceived to think a evangelical church near by will accept them and allow them to continue to follow Joseph Smith and The Book of Mormon. Yes they will add long as they believe they can eventually turn you away from Joseph and the Book of Mormon. This family sees the church as going to far in accepting the LGBT agenda. I dunt see the 15 men accepting this but so many individual bishops are.
If the 15 men ever denounce the proclamation to the family I'll have to add and have a serious conversation with Heavenly Father about the church then.
@violetangelflame1 They can not go against God's eternal law.
Sifting is happening. Tests are happening. You can put all these triggering scenarios that church members are being upset by in the same context.. they are tests for them personally. The First Presidency would never go against Gods law, but what the corporate side of the church has done recently has nothing to do with eternal doctrine and more to do with walking a fine line of casting the net as wide as possible so that NO ONE can say to the Lord they were not invited to come unto him. Obviously there is also political machinations - the church has to walk on egg shells in this new world babylonian order we live in. If people want to be offended by this and leave the tree, they are failing the test.
This’ll be interesting
Hey Greg
I view one of the main messages of the book of mormon, if not the main message, is the choice between liberty and captivity. Christ or our carnal nature if you will.
2 Nephi 2:27-29. We can have liberty without freedom, but you can not have freedom without liberty. Liberty is the fruit of heeding the Spirit. Captivity is the fruit of following our carnal nature. A nation (majority) living to partake of the fruit of liberty will unavoidably be free. A nation (majority) not living to partake of the fruit of liberty will unavoidable lose their freedom.
The ancient Catholic church only wanted the Priesthood to have and interpret the Scripture because they were zealous to keep the doctrine "pure", based on a misunderstanding of the verse that says that Scripture is not for private interpretation.
Well, they failed miserably and started worshipping satan instead.
Serpents
I lived in the Philippines in 1967-8 and the Catholic Church there still had Mass in Latin, which no one but the Priests could speak read and write.
You have such an empathetic view of a narcissistic organisation. They never had good intentions, sorry.
When I see that Hezekiah claims that God ordered the annihilation of the Amalekites, I tend to think our understanding of them has been Deuteronomized.
Before the mormons dunked me but after the Lutherans sprinkled me I remember playing outside a Catholic church and I listened to the service. It was in Latin and I remember thinking I wonder how many people in there understood what they were saying. As a little kid I found it very strange that people would go and listen to something they don't understand. My next encounter with holy water will be Greek orthodox.
…to liberate the captive!!!
Of course history is written one way. My problem is when history changes after so many years of it happening that's the problem. For example the JFK assassination. How did that change in 2023?
Doesn't king noah and the priests explicitly say they'll let him go not if he denies the christ and his blasphemy but the "mean things" he said of them? That indicates to me that's what they took issue with and the blasphemy charges were their way of getting him...if my kid is kidnapped in my car and I have him arrested for kidnapping but instead of making a plea deal for the whereabouts of my child i instead say we'll let him go if i get my car back I feel like you'd be hard pressed to claim the reason I got him arrested was for my kid. (While technically true it was a means to the greater end of my car not my kid)
Book of Tephi address this stuff
what god wants to preserve, he buries.
also the covenant stuff bleeds into our system of gov, it does not work unless we have people who have that covenant mentality, service, the testimony of Jesus Christ. we are born to serve, not in slavery, rather in the likeness of our Christ
I don't think anyone is denying polygamy. Polygamy happened and still does. The question is, did Joseph start it or did Brigham. If you just take current events of Joseph's lifetime. Believe what he said, what Hyrum said and what Emma said. Discount others reflective accounts. Know that Joseph didn't father any other children than with Emma. There are no letters to any other wives other than Emma's letters. There are affidavits of Joseph denying polygamy or multiple wives. I do not believe Joseph to be a liar. The first two printings of the Doctrine and Covenant teach one husband one wife doctrine. Hyrum's speech at the conference, a few months before the martyrdom, strongly teaches against plural wives. Which I might add the Church took down off the Joseph Smith Papers website. How can you say it is insane to believe this? And this is not all. The first-time polygamy was preached publicly was 1852, eight years after Joseph's death in General Conference. 132 was put in the D and C in the 1870's. Read the section out loud. It's crazy. And the polygamist didn't even follow it! There is an increase of multiple wife marriages and children after the death of Joseph and Hyrum 1844. If it was so unsafe for it to be practiced, they all of a sudden got brave after their leaders were murdered. Even the judge in the Temple Lot Case didn't believe Joseph was a polygamist after hearing the "supposable wives" of Joseph, testimonies. I love Jacob's sermon in the Book of Mormon. I believe polygamy is an abomination, a grosser crime and that Heavenly Father wouldn’t want that for his daughters. I believe the Bible. Abram's wife asked him to sleep with their slave to conceive a child for them. I believe Jacob's father-in-law tricked him to marry Leah. How can this be a stretch? Please go be on Michelle Stone's program and set us all straight. She asks for others to come and share all the time. I would love to be set straight. I have been wrestling with this for a long time and I would love to let it go. But it all comes up again when I hear that it is crazy, insane or a stretch to believe that way. No, it is not. I'm a sane individual who has a testimony of Jesus Christ, of the Book of Mormon, of this Church, of Joseph Smith, of President Nelson. Please don't discount this without looking at original sources. Michelle shears her sources. Whitney Horning shares her sources. That is how I know that the Church took down the teaching of Hyrum's. Because Whitney encouraged me to look up the sources myself, so I did. Michelle would come on your program. I have seen her on a lot of other programs. Yes, I can believe it was Brigham who did this. Along with blood atonement, priesthood band, Adam God theory, disbanding the Relief Society for 20 years, his words to women over the pulpit, taking more than sufficient tithing for his and his families gain, ordaining his son's to be Apostles without other apostles knowing, and then sending the one sons crazy amount of money to him in New York (No he wasn't on a mission and in today's money it would be $200,000 a year), not following the Word of Wisdom, being convicted of adultery with Augusta Cobs, a Cochranite. Which brings us to the Cochran religion where I think Brigham learned their teaching of spiritual wifery.
Trying to please scholars is an outdated ideal. Having seen what scholarship produces, it's hard to hold their opinions with any degree of respect. Don't tell me your academic qualifications - show me what you have produced. By their fruits, we will know them.
Just wait until you learn about the real history of ww2...
Jefferson was a Christian only in the same way that Richard Dawkins is a Christian.
Jefferson recognized value in some of the moral teachings of Jesus, but he rejected Jesus's divinity and his purported miracles. Jefferson was considered an atheist by many in his time, so much so that his lack of standard religious faith was a major contention point in the election of 1800 where the main anti-Jefferson point of the Federalist party was that Jefferson was a radical atheist who would lead the US into a new French Revolution.
For example, during the 1800 presidential campaign, the New England Palladium wrote, ""Should the infidel Jefferson be elected to the Presidency, the seal of death is that moment set on our holy religion, our churches will be prostrated, and some infamous 'prostitute', under the title of goddess of reason, will preside in the sanctuaries now devoted to the worship of the most High."
Jefferson is also well known for his push to separate Church and State. The "Wall of Separation" was his project that began in Virginia and carried through to the Presidency. As Jefferson wrote in 1802, "religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof", thus building a wall of separation between church and State."
You are actually quoting the media on Jefferson? What did the media of the day say about Joseph Smith? Have you read any of Jefferson's writings yourself? I have. He had faith. We are still told as LDS that we are not Christian.
So true!
David Barton has read _everything_ about Thos Jefferson and he would disagree with your claim which is _inaccurate_ at best.
@@reppi8742 Do you mean works like Jefferson's "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth" - also known as "The Jefferson Bible"? In Jefferson's view, Jesus was not a divine being, but rather a moral teacher whose followers post-humously added in the miracles and mysticism.
Say what you will. But, like my burning testimony of the Restoration of the Church of Jesus Christ and Jos. Smith - On a clear cold winter's day just before "J 6" , I stood alone bathed in the light of the miracle of Thomas Jefferson in the in his scaffolded memorial .
Only two other people including my husband were in that domed monument - the other was an immigrant from I would guess some eastern nation and his awe struck gaze rested upon Jefferson's statue, as did mine.
Surrounding us on the walls were the man's heart as reflected in his immortal words - While then Lincoln memorial is flooded by visitors as a "must see" on a bucket list, I alone bathed in the light of Christ in that sacred homage to the man who is, as much of as miracle for this nation as George Washington and perhaps even The Prophet Joseph Smith.
No such thing as a "Christain Nation" as long as most "Christains" believe in the "Trinity" which does not exist any more than Walker, Texas Ranger or Batman exist. To be a real Christian you must believe in Christ as he actually is. Just getting the name right doesn't mean much.
Ewwww
There is God the father, and Jesus Christ his only begotten son, and the Holy Ghost. Three separate beings. But act as one and one mind. For they have the same goals. It's right there in the very bible I suppose you read?
Sorry guys, I dedicated 25 yrs of research in all the Americas searching for evidences of the peoples that are in the Book of Mormon. What I found leads greatly to Meso America, including Joseph's own publications on more than one occasion, stating such. Even the Church has recently acknowledged these writings as very most likely coming from Joseph himself. These facts cannot be denied. The boundaries of America today,we're not here then, so America plays a role, but a secondary role and not a primary role. My book will disclose all of this. The purpose is to simply fortify testimonies gained through faith
Sorry, but you are being disingenuous and vague with your explanation. There are only 2 articles from church history that M2C people claim Joseph Smith said - that has been addressed and debunked over and over. If there are more writings from Joseph... what are you talking about. People who believe in the meso model are losing their control of the narrative - all I can see is they don't like losing that control - there is no new evidence that they claim... and all of their evidence they have shown does not stack up.
Fake and Gay. Proofs or it didn't happen.
The evidences for what is being found in North America proper is more convincing and aligns with the teachings of the Book of Mormon. If you think the land of Liberty is Mexico then you're free to move down there and start the movement to get all nations to flow unto it so that it will be a land of liberty for them.
Jerry Grover has written about the gegraphy of the Sorenson model and the fault lines and vocanos of the area could have certanly created the conditions around the death of Christ. However there is still a lot to be discovered.
@Freedom-zf4gg - ha ha ha ha! You are funny! 'Stay tuned, buy my book'. You are 50 yrs too late. The M2C wave has come and gone - back to the truth for truth seekers, nothing to distract or blind then now - there is too much information and evidence for the heartland model which goes with what he Prophet Joseph told us. Don't waste your money printing that book.
Overall good discussion. However I disagree with Greg's comment about the reason those in Jerusalem tried to kill Lehi (saying it wasn't because he told them to repent but because the prophecy of Christ was blasphemy to them). That's contrary to the account. Go back and read 1 Nephi 1:18-20 and 1 Nephi 2:13), which clearly show that his testimony about their wickedness and the impending destruction of Jerusalem were things that they didn't believe and angered them. The messiah testimony is mentioned there but it never says the Jews called that blasphemy. That's made up.
No, that’s not made up. That was the environment in Jerusalem. Lehi has the vision of the king on the Throne in 1 Nephi 1 and 1 Nephi 1 states,
“19 And it came to pass that the Jews did mock him because of the things which he testified of them; for he truly testified of their wickedness and their abominations; and he testified that THE THINGS WHICH HE SAW and heard, and also the things which he read in the book, MANIFESTED PLAINLY OF THE COMING OF A MESSIAH, AND ALSO THE REDEMPTION OF THE WORLD.
20 And when the Jews heard these things they were angry with him; yea, EVEN AS WItH THE PROPHETS OF OLD, whom they had cast out, and stoned, and slain; and they also sought his life, that they might take it away. But behold, I, Nephi, will show unto you that the tender mercies of the Lord are over all those whom he hath chosen, because of their faith, to make them mighty even unto the power of deliverance.
Throughout the Book of Mormon and in the New Testament, we are told that they killed the prophets because they testified of Christ. This is the entire theme of the Book of Mormon, and it is the reason Lehi had to leave and the reason the Book of Mormon was launched. It is important that we see this.
The Deuteronimists, the ruling party at the time, removed the doctrine of Christ from their theology. Lehi was fighting against this.
Laman and Lemuel carry on the new traditions of the Deuteronomists. Lehi and Nephi rebel against Jerusalem’s new religion as “Visionary men”. Those that follow the prophet Isaiah’s focus on Christ.
@@CwicShow Have you considered that your "anti- Deuteronomist" angle is just another head in the critical theory hydra, using new subversive terms and victim/hero narrative to decontruct and undermine faith in parts of the Old Testament?
@@CwicShowthanks for the lengthy response- I learned something.
@@andrewwood6285 Humility via CZcams comments? That's like screencap-worthy.