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There's a reason why the ending in the remake is a bit anticlimactic. In the original, you had Tommy and Paulie wanting to do the bank job because they thought that after the diamond heist, they were underpaid by Salieri. In the remake, when they discover that it wasn't diamonds, but dope, they thought it was just to dangerous and they wanted out.
In the original, they got greedy, in the remake, they got scared.
@@victorwagner2423 Illegal is still illegal though, people can sell alcohol against the law...but they don't because jail scares them. Same with drugs, there are some things, even a few criminals won't do. But mostly they wanted out because Salieri betrayed them and they did the bank job to get enough money to flee. In both games, of course it didn't work.
Makes sense
What brought you to that conclusion? In both versions, the bank heist was brought up by Paulie (and declined by Sam and Tommy due to loyalty) before they discovered what was in the crates.
And also in both, Tommy said yes after they found out Salieri lied to them. Simple as that.
Heck, even Paulie's reason for the heist was the same- making more money/opening a Pizzeria :D
@@victorwagner2423 Nonsense, at least check when illegal substances became illegal and since the 20s and 30s drug users preferred heroin and morphine, it's safe to say that the dope was heroin.
www.naabt.org/laws.cfm
@@renmorpheus In the remake Paulie says that "they can hang for this". Maybe drug busts were more prevalent since the Prohibition ended. I guess the heat on diamonds wasn't that high and didn't had a death sentence in case they got caught.
You are the FIRST reviewer I've heard actually admit that the people in this game are very different to the original. Thankyou, i knew i wasnt crazy. I think the originals tone was more serious
The difference is that the original had a willingly "detached" look at a semi realistic story.
This is written by someone who thinks shooting down people is "cool" like in GTA...
@@1r0zz I beleive the remake not only failed in the delivery of the characters, but of the Mafia as a whole. The entire point of the franchise. Instead of going by omerta, we get the don telling us that we shouldn't cuss. Which im sorry, that cutscene was a joke.
@@1r0zz You know this game is about Mafia? Actual criminals, who actually killed people for fun? Killing people wasn't invented by GTA. Mafiosi in this game are teenage kids compared to real life counterparts.
@@Partizan145
Yes, and the original game treated it "social horror" with respect and maturity. and the remake glorify and spectacularize the violence (exactly like GTA, but not in a parody).
And you are defending the remake...
@Withnail
Sorry but:
Hahahahahahaaa...
A funny quirk is character depth now...
As someone who didn't play the original, I really enjoyed the remake and always thought people who loved the original were slightly over critical of this game because it missed out on a couple of things. After watching this though I completely understand the criticisms and would of loved to of seen the remake be more faithful to the original. I feel like it possibly needed a bit more time in the oven but they were forced to get it out by a certain date
Oh hey there old friend
Keep in mind that they made this as a side project to split up the pacing of their work on a new independent ip
What was needed was more time in the oven and different director, preferably the original one. But he made Kingdom Come Deliverance, which is even better game than any Mafia, so it's all good.
Yeah same I’m hoping they add as much as they can in updates to at least make it feel a bit more immersive like the originals like the tram and stuff like that
Hi Voiy
This game was the first I’d gotten 100% of the achievements of in a long time. Loved every second of it. Great review.
My god that racing level on classic difficulty was a doozy though!
@@BennyJackson101 I had no sanity left whatsoever by the time I managed to complete that level!
I was going to do that but fuck that racing mission
Collecting character cards? Nah i got better things to do
The Alien mission in free ride was much harder than the racing mission. Those aliens take like 50 bullets each
The original end message in Mafia is particularly wise and well rounded; like it's probably the best advice you'll get from a video game. Always makes the replay worth it, just to hear that sentiment again. Whereas the remake signs off in the simple manner that the game was conceived and designed for, in line with the character changes. As said, most of the unpleasant changes in the remake are purely based on the pre-existing formula for making games these days.
Couldn’t have said it better
The original also begins with a Bible quote that is almost communist,. ""Now we that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak and not to please ourselves"
I think this is the most acurate review on this game. You've managed to capture all of the issues without sounding like a condescending fan of the original, while pointing out the strong features of this remake. Thank you!
That’s how Mafia works!
No matter how many times I play or watch it, the original game's ending always makes me choke up as the camera pans around and zooms out, Tommy is casually explaining where things went south "I messed up. So did Paulie and Sam" - this part always gets me. It's weird that the whole story is told through a series of flashbacks and here he's not even alive but still speaking, it's somehow makes it much more powerful.
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Hello everyone thank you for watching, here's my old review of the og game czcams.com/video/skjH1oXkzP4/video.html
Glad to have a new review of this! Got into the series because of you!
There's a reason why the ending in the remake is a bit anticlimactic. In the original, you had Tommy and Paulie wanting to do the bank job because they thought that after the diamond heist, they were underpaid by Salieri. In the remake, when they discover that it wasn't diamonds, but dope, they thought it was just to dangerous and they wanted out.
In the original, they got greedy, in the remake, they got scared.
I'll be 100% honest with you I could never play myself one because the realism of the original game would turn me off completely and that race section I could never be because I'm terrible at racing I love the remake I love characters I know you said they're not relatable but for me I was able to relate to Paul there a lot in a very weird way and I cried when he died cuz he was my favorite character I like the whole thing about family and loyalty because my family is going through a rough patch and I got to see who's loyal who's not so for me it feels extremely relatable and real
I think you really justified the use of "analytical" in the title in both this new review and the older one, if you were worried about that.
I was really glad they remastered this classic. Its deff not as much of an intense simulation as the original but still a fun game imo.
I commented a year or so ago asking you to do more reviews like your original mafia review lol loved that vid. Been a fan for years, showed more pals at the pub ur vids than I'd like to admit haha
Your posts restore a little bit of my soul
In some strange way. That is all.
Obviously, I agree with everything in this video. I haven't seen it yet.
Edit: I remember so much playing the race, over and over, and completing it finally. And feeling a real sense of accomplishment. I had finally shaved the seconds off MY time, and now I was the actual best driver on that. My skill improved. I got better.
I drove through the city and felt real terrible dread when I had a mission that I knew would affect things, because I knew these characters and I cared about them. They were real and solid.
same
Love your videos as well, man.
Hey CryMor, loved you on efap dude!
In the remake I finished that mission on my second try
Idk how long it took me.. It could have been weeks.. But I still remember the panic of seeing I was in first about to make it, just knowing something was gonna mess it up... But it didn't.. Im sure that made the rest of the game seem easy to me..
I had a similar experience with cuphead.. I spent probably close to a week trying to beat king dice.. When I finally did I beat the devil in 20 minutes 😂
Am I lthe only one who has a big issue with the title of the remake, "definitive edition". It's just such an aggressive assertion that "this remake is objectively better cuz graphics". Also, it's not even really an "edition" of the original game, since it's so different.
I didn't even realise it was a remake at first because of the title since it just sounds like any other rerelease of a game.
I may have not been so negative about it if they didn't call it like that. It makes it sound like they wanted to make the original obsolete. That would happen if the game was good enough. The name isn't gonna achieve that.
@@andrew9k424 Yeah, it's super insidious.
@@artey6671 Agree completely. You get it my man.
@@artey6671 If they would have wanted to make the original obsolete, they would not have included callbacks to it like using the in-game map as prop.
The game is a loveletter to the original, that's the entire reason why it exists.
The original was great. I put it in the same category as the Getaway. It was a fairly simple game but had a fleshed out story and great missions. And ofcourse the realism with no over the top GTA style play set it apart from other open world games.
what I really liked was the... let's call it immersive GPS, where roadsigns appeared on intersections that showed you which way you had to go. I think it's a much more elegant solution than a objective marker and a good alternative to staring at the mini map
I hope there's an acknowledgement here that a technical graphics upgrade do not automatically equal an artistic upgrade.
That's why.. sometimes.. limitations aid the creative process. Makes you think more about where things matter.
Graphics overhauls and remakes with teraflops of processing power tend to be kinda lazy or lacking.. sometimes..
@@NuclearTopSpot I'd say most of the time. I can't think of a single example of it paying off.
@@HOTD108_ RE1 remake. Pretty much replaces the original. They added a lot, and cut very little for that game.
@@rileystevens8188 Good point, RE1 Remake is good, but it's not a replacement of the original. They cut all of the iconic lines and charm, like the "Jill Sandwich" line. RE1 Remake definitely the better horror game, but it's not a substitute for playing that original quirky game.
@@HOTD108_ The original RE1 is the japanese version, not the western censored game with idiotic translation and cheap voice acting.
While I haven't played either game, what I gather from this review is that, if I can steal an analogy here...
If the original game was the actual event, then the remake would probably be the "based on a true story" work.
Thats the best way ive heard this games described
Honestly for someone who hadnt actually played the game at the time you made this comment, that analogy was brilliant and pretty damn accurate
That or a 2nd hand account or in other words a legend and not the actual events.
Think Wyatt Earp.
Should have gotten the Rock to play Paulie.
Perfect
Minime just thank you for existing man. You make my shitty days much more bearable than they have any right to be.
Actually before the sex worker bit they bring up how Tommy isn’t too fond of dirty work (like shooting someone who isn’t shooting back). Telling him it’s tuff luck when he is assigned the mission. And on the drive over you can feel his dread on what he is about to do. And how he attempts to mask these emotions when Sam tells him to spare her. Giving him an opportunity to not shoot her, but he hesitates slightly because he both doesn’t want to betray the family and doesn’t want to shoot her.
minimme your analytical review of mafia 1 got me to play it and its now my favorite game! thanks man. glad to see you also review the definitive edition
Yay, this is first video of yours released after I subscribed. I know it's nothing unsual, but it still feels a bit special
I don't think pointing out minor details that make up a whole is nitpicking. Those things matter and as good as the remake is, a lot of parts of the game should have received way more attention.
I think the ending is actually pretty decent in the new one.
Because Tommy has a more consistent character, it's nice to see his arc come to a close as it were, and it does it in an emotional way. All the meta stuff about how, actually, you end up worse off etc is done via paulie, and his reason for wanting to do the bank heist.
And you can kind of tell that from all the fleshed out scenes with Sarah etc too, especially towards the end. Also kind of closes things off nicely with Sarah/his kid, with the last line Tommy says, which I felt better for me overall. Think I preferred Tommy's complete arc, as opposed to a metanarrative over how crime is bad for you.
the remake ending was so cheesy though, his family all coming together. to me the original ending was so much more impactful. all the work trying to protect his family only to die a death as all other mobsters. tying the ending that finally, all the evil that he's done, has come back to him, and now he died a patethic death. alone.
@@Gynkys nah I like the remaster better, but feel happy dying say and lonely 😁
I loved the original and really liked the remake too. I look at it like I look at MGS Twin Snakes, where the original is what really happened and the remake is a dramatization, basically what a movie of these events would have been like
This remake just made me want to replay the original again, it's great to see Lost Heaven in 2020 graphics but my nostalgia is stronger I'm affraid.
It's nice to have both options though.. This is the popcorn version of mafia 😂the pretty one
I loved the original game. It was and still is my favourite game of all time, but I personally think that the remake is an improvement over the original. Sure, there are some things that the original did better (most notably the fact that the city was changing and dynamic, which isn't as apparent on the remake), but overall the things that the remake makes better elevate it over the original. Especially when it comes to character development. At the start sure, the change in the characters is somewhat dissappointing, but I think they are needed in order to make sense of the story. It never made sense to me why Paulie wanted to rob the bank in the original, but in the remake it makes complete sense and goes in line with his character much better. The actor that plays Salieri is also absolutely amazing. I loved every minute that he was on screen, both in terms of his voice and movement.
Personally I'd rather have a story with loveable characters that's a bit incoherent, rather than a coherent story with repulsive characters.
@@koolmaaan Actually there's a lot of people who think DE is better than the original, unfortunately.
@@skadess2107 Unfortunately my ass both opinions are perfectly valid
As someone who played the remake and then the original I have to say that the remake’s ending stuck with me more. I’d have to put that down to age though, the original everything just feels a lot more artificial, the animation, the scene, music even the voice acting could be a bit off and every time that happened it just took me out. The ending in the remake with the family gathering around Tommy as he dies as he comforts them telling them they’re safe with his dying breaths and the game ending on the grim music makes the ending stick with me a lot more.
Plus that last sentence Sam spoke was probably one of my favorite moments, the original he just insults you calling you crazy. In the remake he tries to weasel is way out “remember that time, You, Me, And Paulie-“ I just found that so brilliant for some reason.
Seems like a good game in its own right, just not the same experience as the original.
Mediocre is what you meant
@@oh-not-the-bees7872 as someone who played the remake first and then the original i gotta say, nether were all that great.
Wasn't worth the 30 I paid for it at all. Faces look like they came out of a game from 2010.
@@Deathfromabove5 that's bs, if anything the facial expressions are good
yessss new minimme video. love this guy
Gonna be very disappointed if there isn't a Graphically Impressive joke in the video
I'm sad that this isn't as ambitious as the OG game (god that diamond is annoying, and I think the lighting in the old game was more dramatic too) - but those character performances are genuinely great. Props to the voice actors.
The diamond can be taken away in the game in the settings.
lighting is better in this game, what do you mean?
@@whodatninja439 nah lightin has problems
@@AliBazz spell lighting right
Glad to see you're doing analytical reviews again. I missed your smart side
Another great video, looking forward to trying this game out
I am die hard fan of first Mafia: The city of Lost Heaven from Czech republic, but I really like Mafia: Definitive Edition... Yeah, throwing molotovs and granates are bad, missing the Lucas classic missions is really miss opportunity and missing live action map while you driving is bad too, but rest of the game is really good! I miss this mission to mission linear system - everybody is doing open world game. Sometimes I just wanna enjoy good story with mission to mission system. And free ride with crazy side missions? Why the hell not! Make free ride like GTA style with badass, crazy and stupid missions (like chasing UFO) and main story make sirious and linear (just like original and remake Mafia).
This game was great. Original is great. I love both of them. End of the story.
BTW, city is evolving - for example, while prohibition, there is billboards says "I VOTE TO DRY", after prohibition, there are commertionals to whisky and beers...
@@MrRayen123 Yes, but the remake doesn't do a very good job at structuring the game to showcase that.
Souhlasím. Myslím že většina lidí co na tu hru nadává tak trochu nepobírá tu pointu tý hry a nebo jsou to masivní hnidopiši. Ta hra nemá nahradit originál jedničku. Ta hra je prostě jen moderní reimaginace klasiky se špetkou nostalgie navrch a jejich vlastním stylem. Neřekl bych že to vyloženě vzdává poctu, ale určitý respekt k originálu (a jeho duchu) tu stále je. Nevyhraje to asi žádný ceny ale vůbec to ani neurazí. Já teda nelituju své koupě a jsem docela rád že se tenhle takřka světový remake vůbec stal a dokonce byl i český dabing se (skoro) všemi originální dabéry. Docela dobrý na hru starou skoro 20 let z našeho českýho zapadákova. :)
Fantastic analysis on the remake, a lot of great points made here. 👍🏻
finally somebody who sees the same problems as I do. I feel like they botched everything they changed except the graphics, story and voice acting. Practically infinite ammo, map that requires pausing and so is hard to use without GPS, the way enemies don't even notice when I push 5 bullets through their chests, all downgrades to appease the casual player. also, super linear missions, missions having such obvious triggers where you step into a certain area and all of a sudden 5 enemies show up...it feels less like mafia 1 and more like a shooter on rails. like the old browser games from the 2000s. just moving from trigger area to trigger area.
This was a great analytical review!
I feel like the commute to a mission is Tommy trying to remember things he should tell detective Norman
When I played a bit of the remake and collected a magazine I thought about him telling Norman about it.
@@Xegethra That's perfect. "So, then I found this pulp magazine with a far more interesting detective story. It all startet in a small pub in..."
*Explodes...wait that's not what happened detective, let me think again
I really missed the iconic shot of Tommy shooting Sam from the original. In the remake it’s just very generic and standard. But I do like how Tommy dies with his family in the remake.
It only takes away everything from the scene...
they should have kept some of the little things from the original because the original although lacking high level acting was still very Cinematic with Cinematography done right.
like at the start when Tommy is smoking by his cab and Sam points a gun at him, Tommy gets stressed and throws his Cigarette and the camera zooms in on the cigarette in slow motion hitting the ground.
it had all kinds of these little moments that the Remake completely lacks.
@@Ar1AnX1x Yep I noticed that too. The remake just didn’t have the same feeling of passion and intensity like the original. It felt too safe compared to the classic one
@@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r yea it hits different, that mission in the Art Museum and the last scene, the money from bank heist falling all around and Sam's blood drippin' all over it after he betrays Tommy.
it has all these different Themes and Meanings behind the story
it's just a piece of art made by real artists
a true Masterpiece.
Been waiting for this.
I love both versions. I liked the attempt to make the experience as close to reality as they could in the original game, but I also like the more personal feel of the characters in the remake and the modern game mechanics of it. In the first game, the lines the characters had were more stiff in my opinion (especially those concerning Sarah) whereas in the remake I felt more for the characters.
Thomas Toretto: "Family is forever."
for me the ending is not well written like the original,but is better directed absolutely,the way tommy smile and knew that his time was over make a lot more sense,in the original he answer when vito says "thomas angelo?" when he has a new identity,that line makes no sense,but in this remake is justified,we understand that tommy has accepted is fate,also the story is overall more natural .for the other aspect of the review i agree,the gameplay is generic and the immersion fall short.
The biggest question in the remake why Tom tells to his family "You're safe now" if demonized DE version of Salieri kills all Frank's family before?
Makes no sense to me either lol like how can Tommy think his family is "safe" when random goons just showed up to the front of his house and capped him. What's to say they wont come and finish everyone else off? Or someone in your famly wants revenge? So many variables still....Actually why didn't Tommy just go and Kill Salieri so his family can actually be safe? I don't get his thought process. We already killed hundreds of his goons and top guys. Just finish him off and put him in the ground cause Tommy was clearly capable....video game logic I guess...
I just beat it on Classic and really liked this game. Love what they did with the ending personally. Made it less of a tragedy and more about acceptance. This also made me think that mafia 3 would’ve been a better game if it were structured the same way as this game. Wonder what they got planned for the inevitable mafia 4
Couldn’t agree more about mafia 3, was really disappointed with that game tbh. I hope they go in a completely different direction with the next game and actually make the next city feel alive. Mafia 3 looked great but the city felt dead to me
Where you able to beat the tank with no aim assist? I had to give up and turn it on to get past that part.. Everything else I did on classic though since I beat the game back in the day (but the original didn't have a fucking tank 😂)
as a person who only played mafia 2 and mafia 3 i enjoyed this game just fine
As someone who didn't get to play the original game before the definitive edition, I can't relate to the personal back and forth you are going through. I will say, though, that playing Mafia: DE for the first time was an amazing experience and one that is sticking with me for a while, even if it doesn't reach the heights the original set for itself. As always, your reviews and in-depth analysis of games, both obscure and big, will always fill me with joy because this is one of my favorite channels. Keep up the great work
While I enjoyed this remake as a visual spectacle and somewhat interesting retelling of the classic story we all love I doubt this title has the replayability of the classic Mafia. It truly felt like a simulation of life (albiet a little dated) in that period and the remake doesn't embrace the minor details in the world that flourished in the original.
Truly my biggest gripe was the lack of Lucas Bertone's missions. They felt oddly calm after the often tough missions Tommy completes throughout his day to day and the reward of higher performing vehicles made them all the better.
I do commend the team for the work they've done. The actors especially have done amazing work bringing new character to their roles. Gameplay mechanic changes that ultimately streamline and turn this open world into a corridor killed immersion for me entirely however.
In a world where remakes often offer disapointing results I was pleasantly surprised with the care put into this title.
Being able to ride a tram was the most important thing in Mafia
Loved this game. Just wish there was more to do after you beat it.
I suppose in a way the clichè characterization of Tommy and the rest of the cast somewhat justifies their actions in game. GTAIV had that issue where Niko would talk about being done with killing people, then you can go out and run over 20 pedestrians. However, in my opinion, the original cast was much more believable. I felt for Tommy every cutscene, his voice always sounded so sincere and it was the fact that he didn’t seem to fit in that made it more realistic to me. An “every” man who found himself down the wrong path. Paulie, who looks and sounds like a brute is actually a humble and a good friend, showing that these characters were more than your simple wiseguys. Salieri, a father figure type whom you genuinely cared about in a way, causing a bigger shock for you, the player, during the ending events. There was just much more charm in the original whilst this one was dumbed down to appeal to everyone. I can see why they went this route, and it’s a good game for anyone who has not played the OG. But as far as performance, tone, and in some ways, gameplay, I tip my hat for the original.
I’m sorry but I highly disagree Tommy in the original was not believable and didn’t feel like a product of his environment as where this Tommy felt like a genuine guy from the neighborhood tryna go straight but fell in the wrong path that to me was more believable then anything Paulie change took some time but it actually worked he’s more out going kinda crazy in a way that makes him work sam was the best part calm collective and wanted to rise to the top In the end it worked for me Salieri felt like a mob boss that time then some old boss just giving orders I like him here he felt more realistic in the sense of not being the generic mob boss you see him get hot headed and almost be like one of the boys he was actually enjoyable to be around and the rest of the cast to me was great the sublet changes were needed in my opinion and I think it worked for the best so I think the game did an amazing job with this remake it’s not perfect but it’s really good I’m glad they kind made it there own rather then following there original.
what you're talking about how the Gameplay Story and Cutscene Story going in completely different directions is actually done by design, it's not a design.
the writers call it Ludonarrative Dissonance, you can read about it and what it means if you're interested.
and yes the original Tommy felt more relatable because he sounded more human and more impacted by what's happening to him while the Remake Tommy sounds like he fit the role perfectly and loves that life.
this comment is exactly what I think, the Remake is amazing for people who have not played the Original but people who have played the original know that they were far more ambitious and they tried to make a Masterpiece/Art(and succeeded in doing so)while the Remake just is about doing a decent remake and make money.
the only part of the Remake I felt a noticeable advancement/improvement is the Driving and Car Chases which feel incredibly Cinematic and intense.
@@Ar1AnX1x I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who thought this way. Don’t know anyone personally that has played and beaten the original one.
@@arturkiller it's good that you understand that this game back then was ahead of its time, in many ways better than GTA III which is the father of this genre but the Remake is just a good game, it's not ahead of anything anymore, in many ways it's worse than GTA IV which came out 15 years ago.
but atleast more people know it exists.
Great video as always! Sums it up perfectly... too different from the original, yet trying to tie itself to it.
love ur vids
Great review as always! I am also a big fan of the original game and just finished the remake. Two minor points though. Car thefts are still there, they just aren't advertised and you have to go back in between missions to check if any have popped up. Also the city does atleast change little as the probation ends and bilboards advertising whiskey appear. Other than that, I agree with the review wholeheartedly. Freeroam is especially wacky with aliens and electric ratrods all over the place... but atleast you have something to do this time...
i have been waiting for this ever since the game came out
I think I can find the perfect areas where the original was better and the remake was better. Take a look at the ending.
The original's end speech is so much more impactful, and much better encompasses all the themes that were going on in the game. And it's more somber and reflectful, even mature. Now, I do think the remake speech does have some sense of merit in it (if you do listen to the dialog throughout the game, they do constantly refer to themselves as "the family", so when he says "family is forever" there is room to believe that it's a double meaning). But the end speech of the original hits you more with an actual thought of contemplation of the journey you've experienced with Tommy. It really does sound like a genuine self reflection of where he's come from, where he's been, what he's experienced, the shit he's done, and really re-examining where his real values lie. Not just "FaMiLy".
However, the remake's handling of Tommy's death was so much better. In the original, Tommy dies a scared old man, alone on his lawn as his VA admittedly kinda just brambles on. But in the remake, the direction is so well set up. When Tommy's last name gets called out, the expressions in face an body are so well done. The look of dread on Tommy's face, how he just drops the hose, his slow turn, and his affirmative "Yes." And his final look staring down the barrel isn't one of fear or anxiety; it's a look of accepted fate. Coupled with the fact that his last dying words to his family are that they're safe now, and you have a Hell of an emotional ending. A level of emotion that the original lacks.
It is important to say that Mafia I had all those amazing details in 2003 when no other game had that (for years to come)...and they did it in a team of 20 people or so, these days game designers are just cutting corners :(
Shenmue (2) was definitely more detailed and released a few years before. The game does remind me of shenmue though, just like kingdom come deliverance
Hi minimme, really great video and i was really looking forward to it. As a superfan of the mafia series (having played mafia 1 twice, mafia 2 7 or 8 times and mafia 3 three times) i wanted to say that I agree with a lot of what you had to say about the remake. I've completed the remake twice and loved every moment of it. When you say that the set pieces have become more hollywood escque I think that's what the devs were aiming for because they wanted to bring life and energy with a flair of drama into this remake, i also think you need to consider the fact that this game was made in less than two years so its quite incredible to have gotten a product like that in such short time without it being leaked. Finally i believe the final lines Tommy says in the remake actually suit the character more because in the original mafia i thought it came off as possibly too philosophical for a random person like Tommy and now that he was more focused on family and the brilliant voice performance from his actor really elevates the emotion in the final scene where no matter how much money he earned in the mob it will never amount to being able to walk his daughter down the aisle. I could write more but I'd rather you actually be able to read most of this lol and i don't want to see this as a criticism, it's just the game series means quite a lot to me personally and I think even if mechanically the games could improve, visually they are breathtaking and they have incredible stories to tell. Thanks in advance if you do read this and keep up making excellent videos like this. :)
I haven’t seen you do a review like this in awhile. That original game must have really hit home for you. I’m not saying I disagree with you... great video as usual
Hangar 13 is really good at doing driving - mafia 3's big american sedans and muscle cars slide and hurtle round corners, and it looks, feels and sounds perfect
I haven't played the original, but I plan to try and grab it and the remake and play them both at some point.
Hey man, the microphone sounds fine!
Not having played the og game, I think I'm gonna give this a try. For the story alone. You comparing the story to goodfellas sold me
I liked how the characters are more fleshed out now
The OG Mafia is what really happened while the Remake is the Movie version,
The OG is raw, clumsy and blunt because its closer to the reality of what happened, in my head this is what Tommy sees when he recounts it, focusing more on the little details of his past and looking back to even the smallest commute he had makes sense, he wouldn't really see his buddies as any weirder than him.
The Remake is a movie or a retelling, more polished, more streamlined and more clear, in this one I think this is what Detective Norman sees, the Detective wants only the important bits, the things he can reasonably see in a linear fashion and the ways he can assess the motives of each character, hence why they are more expressive and more malevolent.
That is such a very good way to describe it
@@AlternativeLoffen not to mention that being a Cop Norman would automatically see Tommy's friends as less sympathetic comparative to how Tommy himself sees them.
@@forickgrimaldus8301 of course,in the original norman has a big dislike towards the liking of tommy.but then accepted tommy's offer for the sake of a downfall to salieri crime family.
Mafia: modern game design edition
And thanks god for that
I have to peacefully disagree, I played both the original and the remake, and even with nostalgia glasses on I can see just how subpar the original was. Yes they focused on realism, which frankly was a lot of fun at times, but with how painful the driving was, to not even being able to transition to better cover without being sniped across the road by an untrained mafiaso who just happened to always be perfect accurate with a tommy gun (even though when the player uses it, it has the accuracy of a stapler) just got plain frustrating at times. And yes there were no collectibles back then, but the remake does not even focus on them, you don’t have to pick them up, and they just add little cool things to look at. The Remake revitalized the game in a different perspective, not focusing on the realistic combat on the mafioso, but instead the Hollywood Scarface perspective. I frankly enjoyed both takes on the combat, and still prefer the originals slow methodical burn, but can still appreciate what they were going for. Who cares if something is over the top, we always forget that sometimes we just want to have a cool sequence. And frankly, saying the music was bland is just poor taste, the music was incredible and went with the game correctly. I found myself actually going along with the music in the combat, and even when driving. Also in general, I did love how the cars felt like tanks and 40 tons of metal, but after experiencing modern day racing games and just the pure joys of modern engines, the cars of old just aren’t as fun to drive, but more-so appreciate as the relics they are. But hey I’m ranting and I know several of you will disagree! I am glad this is a channel where people can voice their opinions and not be silenced. I just loved both games so much I could not watch without saying something
Welp, i really did enjoy your original Mafia Analytical Review.
I honestly wish it was a bit longer I know it’s essentially supposed to be a shot for shot remake but given a that it’s not made by the same people I would have liked to see a bit different interpretation with more missions. Just me though great video
it's sad that Lucas was barely in the remake, in the original he was my favourite character of course the Salieri family too, going to his workplace and getting a new car is the best.
After seeing you tweet endlessly about this remake throughout it's development I've been super curious to hear what you thought about this remake?
I loved the realism of mafia 1 and 2 but i still loved the remake and just enjoyed it not nickpicked everything
You should Review the Gameloft’s Gangstar Series. It’s a great gta mobile clone tbh.
the remake looks so gorgeous
The yacht assassination mission looks a bit game-y compared to the original. In the original I used to wait for the right moment to assassinate the dude when he got close to me, and then I would run through the crowd to avoid the bullets and onto the speedboat. In the remake it looks like it's a mission from COD.
Agree, original mission looks and feels like one of this risky assasinations at the end of The Godfather movies.
@@rickastley2308 Yup
1:50 is the best part of this vid they both reload at the same time but he just barley eeks his shot out
THiS Game is worth the full price!!!
- it's finished by release !!!!!!!!!
- no microtransactions, no dlc to pay, no pay to win, no fake promises, no excuses
- no bugs, just a clean development
- no online requirement / offline playable
- open-real-world with a simulate-arcadish drivingphysics like a GranTurismo
- no copy/paste of the versions before, no recyclements, fresh development
This game besides the story and the visuals,
was way ahead than these nowadays Definitiv Edition AAA promises developer and publisher game politics.
This game was from the players and for the gamers.
Fully straight enjoyable .
i've yet to have tried it but it looks really good, looking forward to watching the video and seeing what you think
I’d recommend getting it, it’s a really great remake.
@@calebc5057 It is decent for what it is and I still think minimme was a bit nitpicky.
@@calebc5057 planning on picking it up at some point soon
Lol, how was it ?
This was pretty well summarized! I absolutely adore the original and it is one of my all time favorite games precisely because of the immersion and simulation. This was what made Mafia II one of my biggest disappointments of all time, because it just dropped all of that wonderful immersion and made a very generic gangster story for me (though I'd probably be kinder to it today).
So, I went in to the remake sort of adjusting my expectations. The first thing was to accept that THIS was going to be a modern game and what I should expect from that. I knew that they had to make it modern and more accessible, but overall, I really did enjoy it. It was Mafia for the modern age and I think they did a pretty solid job of updating it to modern sensibilities, while still keeping much of the core. The driving was great and I though the combat on Classic, while modern, still delivered much more of the high stakes I felt in the old Mafia and I really loved seeing health packs coming back. I did miss a lot of the old music - but could accept the licensed tracks being switched to avoid anachronism, but I loved so much of the classic themes I'd love to have heard some more of them return.
But with that said this game was essentially a spot on 4/5 and a really solid game. Once I accepted it for what it was I really came to like it and I highly recommend it.
Brooo make more videos!!!!! They r awesome
I think this game isn't for the hardcore fans, it's made for those like me who wanted to play the original but all the annoying immersion stuff got in the way. I understand the appeal, but for many they want the story and the Mafia feel.
I think everyone attacks the graphics saying the game's only claim is it looks better, but I think people forget how empty the original feels. In terms of visual design, the original doesn't exactly feel like the 1930's, and the streets feel so barren that it makes the game feel so empty. This isn't a technical limitation, as GTA Vice City replicates 1980's Miami well, and the streets are pretty populated. The remake looks like 1930's Chicago and feels more populated.
Personally though, if you hate the remake so much, look at it as this. The original is what happened, the remake is a movie's retelling of events.
Also I think the "Yes" Tommy gives at the end is much better. He's been hiding so when someone says his real name he should know what's coming, and he does. Instead of being confused, he takes it head on
Love how you mention every change I love over the original as a negative point 😂
Really curious about your thoughts on Mafia 3
The first minute is focused on explaining the hyper-realism, while showing clips of having to shoot guys so many times, you have to reload twice for each one.
I suppose you could consider the remake as like some different game-to-film adaptation
2 questions:
1, is it as buggy and unpolished as Mafia 3 was at launch?
2, I noticed in gameplay that the game has the feature where when you reload your weapon all leftover ammunition in the previous clip is lost. Is that a feature by default or is it exclusive to the Classic difficulty setting?
1. No, bugs are very infrequent. Very.
2. Only exclusive to classic setting
Look im all for immersion like anyone else, but I simply could not get into the old game no matter how hard I tried. Too damn slow. This remake is exactly what I needed. Revitalized the story and every aspect of it
You've said now in two videos that parts of the city were under construction, but I don't even see how that could be possible. It's clearly just the road that is under construction, and it's just an excuse to close that section off to simplify the early part of the game
I really need to play both of these games!
If this mafia game took inspiration from the godfather games side content this could of been one of the best games from this year
Well, that was a surprise. I guess I didn't let the game sink in as much and barely got past the nitpicking stage you mentioned. I didn't notice that the characters are more believable, even if it makes them less interesting, or that Tommy leaves out unimportant driving sections. But even then, I'm not sure if those changes were done to improve the game or to make it more accessible. I guess they didn't want to alienate people like the original did, but ended up alienating the people that didn't get alienated by the original, which is strange.
You know... In the remake when Tommy blows up a innocent women, he feels bad and scared. In the original he made a bad joke "that's one hot dame" wtf was even that ? Yes, It's way more beliveable
@@talpatv512 It doesn't need to be an emotional moment in order for Tommy to feel bad. In the DE, the explosion almost knocks him out, so it makes sense that he's more scared.
@@artey6671 still. I think they should have done more then add a awkward joke. I'm glad they made chances like this
@@talpatv512 Yeah, they could have. Maybe they like making jokes like that, considering the scene after you kill Carlo.
I never played the original, but I had heard amazing things. I got the remake really cheap in a Humble Bundle, and I'm glad for that because it was a greatly underwhelming experience, which seems to have been a hollowed-out version of what the original was. Here's my summery review I left on Steam:
It's fine.
Much like all the Mafia series, it's a fun bit of immersion jumping into this period setting, but the game world is devoid of life beyond the main story. Also while I appreciate the 'simulation' style driving physics, and the features like gas or attracting police attention if you don't follow the speed limit, these are details which certainly add to the experience in a small way, but don't really feel impactful (sure, *in theory* you can run out of gas, but you're never in the one car long enough for it to mean anything).
The shooting doesn't feel like it has much weight to it. Never really felt like satisfying gunplay.
Massively underwhelming, anti-climactic ending, wherein I completed the final level not realising it was the final level. Defeat the final 'boss'. Cutscene. More cutscenes. The ending is just cutscenes. Your character is going to help takedown the crime family? The cutscene is basically: he does that, the end. Cut to me going, "oh... I guess that's it then, that's the game?"
Like I said. It's fine. Brain-dead, and nothing really special, but it's fine.
*not recommending because I didn't feel enriched having played it, I could've spent that time on something else which wouldn't have left me with a sour taste of "oh, that's all that was then".
Review was my feelings about it entirely. Had the original in 2003, and one of the only titles I revisited all the way through the last 20 years.
They seem to trade the core elements of these games for shiney graphics and Hollywood style action.
Wow this game makes me really stressed but what relieves this pain is maters tall tales
Yeah, it's amazing, video done.
I've always felt that mafia series doesn't get enough credit for it's heavy, challenging yet involving and fun driving mechanics (at least on the simulation setting). Glad to see it's getting praise here.
I had no idea this game got a remake. I do know of the Mafia 2 """remaster""" though.
Mafia Remake is a great base for a new game and while it could of been better, Hangar 13 knows what to do with a new game. It's a great game for $40 and let's hope that Mafia 4 goes the extra step.
I dunno if I'm in a minority here, but I found the race mission to be quite easy in the original 2002 game - I play the original game with the original 3 CDs (English version) without applying any patchworks, and I use(d) the keyboard. The mission called "Election Campaign" to me is the hardest of them all actually - specifically the prison part.
Me having those discs also gives me benefits, the full thing as it was originally released, unlike those digital releases, which I despise (well, I dispise digital releases in general).
I agree, for the most part.
Though I actually found the hardest level for me to be that damned mansion stealth level!!! Fuuuck that damned entrance balcony
Wow, that ending speech of original game is something else.. i mean the remake ending is fine but seems symptomatic of modern movies' "family" BS. The orignal blows that out of the water altogether. I am pretty sure I will never play the old game, and the new game to me is a masterpiece in its own rights, but knowing thay original ending really makes me wish if we had gotten a more "aligned" remake.
I haven't yet played the game, though soon enough I will because currently you can get it for 14 € from Epic Store, so I bought it. I think this revisioning is usual Hangar 13's handwriting, which means they really can do decent scripts and characters, so the game overall feels like a movie, but this is not always a strenght if the game gets too streamlined between the cutscenes. I definitely prefer the original approach, but I think both games can coexist just fine, serving different experiences. Is there really a reason to only reskin something that already works?