Honda Vs. Toyota - Reliability

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  • čas přidán 4. 06. 2023
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    Tom Lambert has run Shadetree Automotive, a general automotive repair shop, since 1994. In this video, he discusses the popular topic of which car is better, Honda or Toyota. He has pulled the past ten years of data on both vehicle brands and will share the results with you.
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  • @southwestjohnny7767
    @southwestjohnny7767 Před 11 měsíci +2482

    As a diehard Toyota guy I'm positive that the reason we Honda and Toyota owners are more responsible as far as maintenance is concerned is because we buy these cars specifically for their reliability and longevity. Therefore, we are going to do our part to make them last. If we weren't planning on keeping our cars for as long as possible, we wouldn't bother buying brands known for lasting up to 300,000 miles or more with minimal issues.

    • @alohamark3025
      @alohamark3025 Před 11 měsíci +110

      My own personal experience is that a sloppy driver can kill a Toyota faster than a Honda. Case in point: the stepdaughter in the family ruined her Toyota Camry by allowing the engine to seize without enough oil. She is about to destroy her RAV4 by driving it around with engine maintenance lights blinking like a Christmas tree. Even though I am far more careful in maintaining cars than the women in my family, I did own a Civic 4WD wagon that needed a head gasket. It could not tolerate five hours in a typical east coast traffic jam.
      What makes a person choose a Honda over a Toyota, or vice versa? I'd say it is the handling. Steering is more responsive on most Hondas. Honda has been a F1 constructor champion, while Toyota has shied away from most top level competitions. Nevertheless, as people age, the reliability of a car ascends in importance, making Toyota a good choice for conservative drivers.

    • @BDAILY365
      @BDAILY365 Před 11 měsíci +50

      it's like a glock. It's simple to maintain, and reliable. parts and support everywhere for cheap.🎉

    • @boxoffisa
      @boxoffisa Před 11 měsíci +28

      Maybe we don't have money to waste.

    • @tigergreg8
      @tigergreg8 Před 11 měsíci +5

      Well written. 👍

    • @Rexmorgan687
      @Rexmorgan687 Před 11 měsíci +9

      ​@@alohamark3025 If the stepdaughter was the other of a Camry with the 2AZ-FE engine, she got a bum engine that was known to have premature piston ring failure and burn oil...

  • @AngelRivera-bs7uf
    @AngelRivera-bs7uf Před 8 měsíci +452

    I’ve been driving Hondas for 25 years. Each one, I have driven for over 280,000 miles, and I am currently still driving my 2010 Honda civic with 336,000 miles. I’ve never owned a Toyota, but I have the upmost respect for them because I know they are reliable as well. You can’t beat a Honda or Toyota…

    • @dep6169
      @dep6169 Před 4 měsíci +10

      very well said

    • @francisco7661
      @francisco7661 Před 4 měsíci +4

      My civic type s diesel 333000

    • @sergiozamorano6413
      @sergiozamorano6413 Před 3 měsíci +8

      My 2012 honda civic is my best friend 😂

    • @gravemind6536
      @gravemind6536 Před 3 měsíci +7

      Toyota/Lexus and Honda are just the two top dogs that will always be engaged in a never ending battle when it comes to reliability its just too close.

    • @mitchhedberg4415
      @mitchhedberg4415 Před 3 měsíci +4

      Not a fan of the Honda 1.5t and a cvt though
      The new civic ACs are trash too

  • @jpan7071
    @jpan7071 Před 9 měsíci +451

    I’ve owned both Honda and Toyota vehicles for over thirty years. In my experience Toyota comes up on top as far as reliability, but not by much. You really can’t go wrong with either one.

    • @billmellater
      @billmellater Před 9 měsíci +5

      ​@@indycharliehe said that in the video.

    • @blackcirius90
      @blackcirius90 Před 8 měsíci +3

      ​@@indycharlieshould of finish watching the video.

    • @indycharlie
      @indycharlie Před 8 měsíci

      Yes , evidently you are RIGHT ! My bad . I did remove my comment .@@blackcirius90

    • @Floreypottery
      @Floreypottery Před 8 měsíci +8

      I’ve seen some go thru some stuff Honda will too but nothing like a Toyota. If your a lead foot Honda if not Toyota it’ll last a long time even rarely maintained

    • @nofyfb123
      @nofyfb123 Před 8 měsíci +4

      I managed to go wrong with honda. NEVER AGAIN!

  • @stephencivic1989
    @stephencivic1989 Před 10 měsíci +62

    I am a diehard Honda Civic owner myself. I’ve had mine since 2020 bought brand new. That little car has been doing more job related work than she was designed to do, and is still plugging away. I do my best to baby her, but unfortunately life doesn’t always allow for that. She has been through a blizzard with an idling engine to keep me warm and alive. Survived a parking garage partially collapsing, been driven close to a 1,000 miles in one night only stopping once. And now I work at a steel mill with dirt roads so keeping her black paint clean is a struggle. But I love my Honda.

  • @yubstep
    @yubstep Před 11 měsíci +844

    As a former Honda Civic owner, it was a great ride from 1998 to 2021 with 310,000 miles. Now I sport a Honda Odyssey.

    • @muthuswaminathan
      @muthuswaminathan Před 11 měsíci +7

      Do you have the 3.5 L engine or 2.4 L earth dreams engine?

    • @francismartinez6049
      @francismartinez6049 Před 11 měsíci +23

      @@muthuswaminathan all odysseys have the v6 earth dreams no 4 cyl available

    • @muthuswaminathan
      @muthuswaminathan Před 11 měsíci +30

      @@francismartinez6049 mine is a Japanese import and has a K24W engine. 2.4L litre 4 cylinder

    • @CRAPO2011
      @CRAPO2011 Před 11 měsíci +8

      @@francismartinez6049 there is a foreign market Odyssey which is smaller and comes with a 4cylinder. More in line with the original Honda Odyssey which was basically a tall accord wagon in size and also ocame with a 4 banger.

    • @Hernsama
      @Hernsama Před 11 měsíci +20

      2016 toyo sienna with 410k miles was a great ride. She put in some hard work luckily it was that V6 power

  • @recon_jon6151
    @recon_jon6151 Před 11 měsíci +365

    It's just good to know that they're still manufacturers that focus on reliability instead of their next quarterly

    • @ShadetreeAutomotiveLayton
      @ShadetreeAutomotiveLayton  Před 11 měsíci +29

      True.

    • @nofyfb123
      @nofyfb123 Před 4 měsíci +13

      It's so anti-American! 😜

    • @cbcfa
      @cbcfa Před 2 měsíci +2

      honda and toyota are the 2 top brands for sure! i’m on my second car, a 2nd honda, never had a toyota but i have family that do and they love them!

    • @comercole1940
      @comercole1940 Před měsícem

      ​@@nofyfb123they make some of there cars in America.

    • @nofyfb123
      @nofyfb123 Před měsícem +2

      @@comercole1940 They sure do, and they still are way better than anything else. However, those made in Japan are better than those made in the US, those are the ones I buy.

  • @microgreensgrower3946
    @microgreensgrower3946 Před 25 dny +9

    When I purchase my 05 Sienna last year the previous owner said the A/C didn't work but that he didn't know why. That made me wonder if it needed a new compressor but he just didn't want to tell me because of the costly repair? Anyway, I was determined to figure out why the A/C wasn't working. Watched youtube videos, purchased manifold gauges & some dye. I found two leaks. The High and Low shrader valves needed replaced & Auto Zone gave me two for free. Charged it up and it's holding pressure & blowing cold. This 70 year old gal is feeling pretty accomplished. I learned a lot, had fun & saved $$. We own 4 Toyota's currently. Just sold an 07 FJ Cruiser. Loved the car but just didn't drive it much and had too many vehicles: The other Toyota's: 91 T100 pick up, 05 Sienna van, 07 Toyota Yaris & 08 Prius. Love them all!

  • @mitchellsmith4601
    @mitchellsmith4601 Před 9 měsíci +38

    My 17 year-old Camry has over 251,000 miles on it, and I’ve maintained it according to Toyota’s schedule. I use regular oil, and have it changed every 3,000 to 4,000 miles.

    • @fml5910
      @fml5910 Před 20 dny

      I hear that synthetic oil is overrated, and not worth the extra $ and told you shouldn't go more than 5,000 miles between oil changes, and don't go 10,000 miles like the manufacturer says is ok.

    • @jams1533
      @jams1533 Před 7 dny

      Sythentic w/ 5k intervals.

  • @wrinkleneckbass
    @wrinkleneckbass Před 10 měsíci +439

    I've owned them both over the past 40 years. They're both bullet proof and I've never had a serious mechanical failure after hundreds of thousands of miles. I can't say the same for the VW Golf and Dodge Neon I owned, both of which I purchased new.

    • @MyerShift7
      @MyerShift7 Před 10 měsíci +5

      Here, here! Was your experience similar to mine in that the VW, though feeling fabulous, is actually much worse and more expensive than the Chrysler?

    • @dariusrus5335
      @dariusrus5335 Před 9 měsíci +7

      Vw Golf mk1 and 2 even 3 are some of the best cars ever made ,we use them in Romania as daily drivers

    • @richardyarbrough5238
      @richardyarbrough5238 Před 9 měsíci +3

      Ive had three vw's. Definitely my favorite cars to drive, but my far the most unreliable, and I babied my GTI and my Jetta GLI more than any other vehicle I have owned.

    • @bucknut2000
      @bucknut2000 Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@richardyarbrough5238 what years were your GTI and GLI. I got 280K miles on my Civic Si and 220K on my GTI. I think they are both good, but the GTI costs more when things need to be done.

    • @dabshow8989
      @dabshow8989 Před 9 měsíci +1

      There just 100k cars

  • @sh1pp
    @sh1pp Před 11 měsíci +441

    I would think the reason Honda and Toyota owners are more knowledgeable about maintinence is because if someone cared about it enough about reliability to research it and factor it into purchasing decisions they are going to come out with those two brands as their primary choices. It’s a positive feedback loop that building a reliable car will attract the people willing to invest time and money to keep a car reliable.

    • @doct101
      @doct101 Před 11 měsíci +6

      There also more expensive than a Kia or Nissan and the customers that pay the premium also pay to maintain the right .. a lot of budget customers won’t pay to maintain them too .. generally of course

    • @jamesc7286
      @jamesc7286 Před 11 měsíci +15

      Sometimes, but there are TONS of shitbox corollas and camrys around here, poorly maintained and with seemingly clueless drivers who drive very slow. This works in the opposite direction. The cars last a long time DESPITE owner neglect. Both what you are saying and what I am saying are true.

    • @doct101
      @doct101 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@jamesc7286 that’s why I said generally.. the Toyotas and Hondas can take a bit more abuse and neglect which is why you see so many old ones but maintaining is key for it to last 200k plus … a maintained Kia may last just generally their customers don’t

    • @youtubecantsaveallthesnowf8601
      @youtubecantsaveallthesnowf8601 Před 11 měsíci +10

      What??? 26 years as a mechanic and toyota owners pretty much, universally know nothing about cars...that's why they buy toyotas.

    • @doct101
      @doct101 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@youtubecantsaveallthesnowf8601 no but they care more about it than the Kia doesn’t mean they need to know about it .. second hand owners also tend to be more relaxed on maintenance than the person who spend 25k plus on that Camry

  • @alexyakuba2805
    @alexyakuba2805 Před 6 měsíci +108

    I had both, Hondas and Toyotas. I had a bit more problems with Hondas. On the older models I find suspension was a bit weaker, but more fun on the corners. Late models of Hondas had some electrical problems, but with Toyotas I didn't have any issues at all. Toyota is more conservative though when it comes to implementing new things.

    • @chris103193
      @chris103193 Před 4 měsíci +15

      Precisely my experience. Honda for the driving experience. Toyota for the relentless quality, mainly due to their perfecting "old" technology.

    • @jacobpetersen5662
      @jacobpetersen5662 Před 2 měsíci +2

      I'll second that. A minor edge for Toyota in reliability. I prefer and will keep driving Honda as they simply drive better.

    • @sk-un5jq
      @sk-un5jq Před 26 dny +1

      Well said. And Hondas are sportier so their owners likely drive more aggressively. Toyota appliance buyers want a car that will last 10-15 yrs without any major problems and probably drive more conservatively.

    • @officialtotino
      @officialtotino Před 7 dny +1

      @@sk-un5jqexactly. every toyota is a turtle accelerating but the v6 hondas feel pretty quick relatively so people definitely drive them harder

  • @WALL-E559
    @WALL-E559 Před 4 měsíci +11

    Staying up to date on your PMs is imperative! Especially the PMs involving fluids. I have a 2001 Toyota Land Cruiser that recently hit 420k miles. I do my fluids at half intervals (I.g. center transfer case, front and rear diffs every 30k miles vs 60k miles). My biggest repairs or maintenance occurs around the 90k and 100k-mile mark. Recently I’ve been doing a lot more repairs due to age and mileage. These parts are original factory parts and were the first time they had to be replaced: fuel pump, head gasket, starter coils, alternator, catalytic converter,all hoses, heater T’s, and a few other items.

  • @85CEKR
    @85CEKR Před 11 měsíci +127

    I have a German background and grew up in German vehicles because my family were proud Germans. After owning several German cars, VW and BMW, I just got fed up with there lack of reliability. I ended up switching to toyota/lexus and have been so happy ever since. One of my main reason with going with toyota over honda was because most of the new toyota's have their 4ds system which solves the carbon build up issues. This was a big issue with the German cars I've owned. I just don't trust an engine that can't clean itself with regular maintenance.

    • @sabrehawk-427
      @sabrehawk-427 Před 4 měsíci +4

      The last good VW was the rabbit and the almighty beatle

  • @user-oy5hk3jl1u
    @user-oy5hk3jl1u Před 11 měsíci +109

    Former Toyota Tercel owner, got to 386,000 miles before finally selling it to the Toyota mechanic for $50 because of rust. Still ran and drove solid, and I’m sure the mechanic knew better than me how to restore it.

    • @mplslawnguy3389
      @mplslawnguy3389 Před 9 měsíci +4

      I had one too! It was a tin can, but always started up! That was a very different era.

    • @jocasi57
      @jocasi57 Před 9 měsíci +10

      I have a 1996 tercel manual with 516,092 mi. Have it since 2011. My 2nd.was a 1989 GTS twincam coupe from 2002-2011 with 406,000 miles, was t-boned in passenger side. And my highschool freshman sweetheart was a 1983 corolla that was a learners permit gift from an uncle (RIP). he was original owner since new and gave it to me with over 200,000 mi. And had it from 93 to 02 and totaled it with over 400,000 mi. So i have a love affair with toyota.

    • @aesoundforge
      @aesoundforge Před 6 měsíci +1

      Was my first car! Loved that thing. Had the best steering feel of any car ive driven since...

    • @Propain4eva
      @Propain4eva Před 5 měsíci +1

      Bro pulled a Walter white

    • @rickjazzfusionbop
      @rickjazzfusionbop Před měsícem

      Wow! I had an 80 Tercel, manual tranny. RUBBER/PLASTIC interior floors, and yes, drove like a viper! Through icy cold winters and hi-humidity summers. The TERCEL - RESPECT.

  • @DruMcDoo
    @DruMcDoo Před 9 měsíci +3

    Great video Tom, can see you have an excellent workshop along with staff. It's a shame there are not more high callibre workshops around who don't rip customers off...
    Here's a question for you.... With fully synthetic oil not breaking down like the old oils, therefore in theory retaining viscosity, how come engines are wearing ou faster? Is it because of reving higher or weaker components perhaps?
    Have read that if oil is replaced every 5000 miles instead of say 10,000 to 12,000 miles engine will last double the miles going from an average of 150k to 300k. Have you experience of customers who carry out this practice and if so what conclusions have you come to? Interested to know...

  • @sairampandravada
    @sairampandravada Před 7 měsíci

    Thank you for sharing the inputs , i was waiting for for your Honda transmission CVT replacement , how to identify when to replace?

  • @GarryBurgess
    @GarryBurgess Před 11 měsíci +104

    I loved my Honda CRV but I like my Toyota Rav4 too, and I think that Toyota has a lot more experience with hybrids, and I think that their eCVT is pretty reliable. I've also owned a Honda Accord and 2 Toyota Corollas. I like both brands.

  • @deanknight7133
    @deanknight7133 Před 11 měsíci +47

    2006 honda ridgeline with 239,000 miles and still going strong ❤

    • @watchmanonthewall14
      @watchmanonthewall14 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Please check into the Takata air bag recall for your truck. There is a Ridgeline on the list, but I do not recall the exact time period/years of the recall.

    • @deanknight7133
      @deanknight7133 Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@watchmanonthewall14 already got it done thanks man

    • @CoachatCole
      @CoachatCole Před 11 měsíci +5

      I’ve seen 2007 2008 Ridgelines for sale for around 5000. Good buy?

  • @7Gia_
    @7Gia_ Před 7 měsíci +17

    We appreciate the time & effort you put in these videos to provide us with all this good info!
    Thanks!

  • @vinay052003
    @vinay052003 Před 8 měsíci

    Hi,
    Great video and sharing those numbers regarding the maintence order. Since you mention about honda pilot transmission, would you be able to share how much customer should expect to pay for an AWD transmission replacement for 2018 honda pilot?
    Thanks

  • @David.D3
    @David.D3 Před 11 měsíci +120

    In my experience, Toyota is more reliable but Honda is pretty close. I know for sure that the auto transmissions for Toyota is a lot more reliable when its a V6 and up motor.

    • @TOBYH
      @TOBYH Před 11 měsíci

      THE TRANSMISSIONS ON THE HONDA ODYSSEYS WERE JUNK, THEY FAILED AT A VERY HIGH RATE, THAT'S
      WHY I GOT RID OF IT AND GOT A SIENNA, 11 YEARS, NO PROBLEMS. YOU CAN CHECK IT OUT, JUST TYPE IN PROBLEMS WITH ODY TRANS.

    • @calprotrim
      @calprotrim Před 11 měsíci +2

      Do not agree, blow up 2008 tundras engine at 73k miles

    • @leweezo33
      @leweezo33 Před 11 měsíci +18

      @@calprotrim I have a 03 Tundra with 300k miles and it runs awesome

    • @disco.lemonade
      @disco.lemonade Před 11 měsíci +4

      Honda and Toyota owner here. Sure, Honda had some weak a/t back in the early 2000s. However, the ones we've had more issues with were two a/t in our 2nd and 3rd gen RAV4s, but interestingly enough they WERE Toyota made, not made by Aisin. You can argue Aisin is Toyota's, but it isn't. Toyota's a/t aren't that great. Lastly, sorry buddy but V6 J Series are an incredibly reliable.

    • @cactneir
      @cactneir Před 11 měsíci

      ​​@@disco.lemonade no aisin AC i believe my jeep had 1 of their blower motors

  • @chevalsauer
    @chevalsauer Před 11 měsíci +42

    My 01 camry wagon head gasket went at 435k ks, and i fixed it myself, and timing belt, and all fluids over last 6 months, it goes great, and still around 8.5 ltrs per 100k also. Simple and reliable!

  • @perseverance86
    @perseverance86 Před 9 měsíci

    Hey I have a question about differential fluid and how often it’s essential to change. Subaru is recommending at 25-30k. Car is practically new. Is that right on or excessive? Thanks

  • @TipsyMike17
    @TipsyMike17 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Well said and put. You just earned a subscriber. I'd love to hear more from you. I'd be more happy to listen from a wise and very educated mechanic. Love from the Philippines!

  • @syusi
    @syusi Před 11 měsíci +111

    I appreciate your thoughtful analysis. I’ve been driving my Honda Civic for over 21 years and its reliability still impresses me. But as you point out, it’s 50% DNA and 50% proactive maintenance. As my dad used to say, ‘If you take of your equipment, your equipment will take care of you.’ Thanks for a very nice channel.

    • @mysteriousoklahoma777
      @mysteriousoklahoma777 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Had a 92 Lude 300k miles…one clutch, two rack pinions, plugs,

    • @abdulshahnawazkhan
      @abdulshahnawazkhan Před 9 měsíci +1

      My dad says exactly same thing

    • @kirkkronenberger877
      @kirkkronenberger877 Před 8 měsíci

      That's the way it should be in a perfect world, but coming from a GM family as a teenager, my first 4 vehicles were all Chevys and one Pontiac. I took great care of them but I can't exactly say they returned the favor. My '79 Chevy half ton (bought brand new in '78) was the absolute biggest piece of crap I ever bought. Within one year, the following components failed: oil pressure gauge, speedometer, power window regulator, AC condenser, brake light switch, temperature gauge, and gear shift knob (fell off). Because of my GM-oriented Dad, I didn't learn my lesson and still continued to buy GM for 9 more years. ALL gave me serious problems.

  • @HaldonJohnson-ny5ej
    @HaldonJohnson-ny5ej Před 11 měsíci +7

    Good information! Shadetree has taken great care of me and my family, and we have had good experiences with both Honda and Toyota (have been able to get both above 200k miles before upgrading).

  • @piotrhul
    @piotrhul Před 5 měsíci +1

    Great channel. Thank you for sharing all the experiences. All the best from Poland.

  • @andrewquintero01
    @andrewquintero01 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Came across this video doing some research for a new commuter vehicle. Great information and luckily you’re right down the road from me. I’ll have to stop by for my next maintenance!

  • @dperreno
    @dperreno Před 11 měsíci +123

    I'm glad you pointed out that Toyota has more SUVs and Trucks - those vehicles are a bit more complicated, especially with respect to their drivelines and so their repair bills can be a bit higher. Good data overall!

  • @jestan01
    @jestan01 Před 11 měsíci +20

    Tom seams like a straight up guy, he's definitely proud of what he does and where he does it. I'm a Honda enthusiast but don't bash what others drive, I feel people should drive what they like and can afford. Of-course not in that order, life is more complex than that. That being said I'd definitely bring my 2020 Honda Passport for service there at Shadetree Automotive but I live real far from you in another state. Great post and concrete data to back it up. Subbed

  • @Ambienfinity
    @Ambienfinity Před 8 měsíci +63

    Great analysis from experienced experts. I've owned both here in the UK, and neither have let me down. I currently have an old Honda Jazz, which seems unkillable, and has helped me move house, carrying an amazing amount of building rubble, people, and luggage with equal aplomb.

    • @ShadetreeAutomotiveLayton
      @ShadetreeAutomotiveLayton  Před 8 měsíci

      Nice. Thank you for sharing!

    • @jonathanhowson6420
      @jonathanhowson6420 Před 8 měsíci +1

      I recently sold a LR Discovery 3 and I am left with a toyota aygo, which has 130000 on the clock. Would you recommend an older honda Jazz as a workhorse? Im about to do 2 big extensions to my house, so will need a good vehicle for tip runs. A Rav 4 is also coming to mind. We only get 52 tip runs a year and its 1 mile away, so should provide decent savings compared to getting loads of skips etc

    • @mylifeasmanta
      @mylifeasmanta Před 8 měsíci

      @@jonathanhowson6420 hi! to answer your question, i have a 2009 2nd-gen Jazz here in australia. it has done 240k kms (150k miles) and has been a joy to own. it has been endlessly reliable and the only thing that has broken (twice actually) was the air-con button (the A/C itself was fine, just not the plastic button to turn it on). we (family of 4) have moved houses three times with it and the car has handled every task really well. we have also made several trips to ikea and brought enough stuff back to furnish a medium-sized apartment. the interior is quite tough and hard-wearing, and the magic seats make it very easy to clean underneath them - perfect for children. fuel economy has been decent at around 45MPG - not best in class by any means but good enough. there is also a hybrid model available, but with slightly less boot space. overall, i would highly recommend it as a little van. in fact, it could probably replace the Aygo as well.

    • @124mun
      @124mun Před 5 měsíci +3

      Honda jazz is a legendary car reliability wise

  • @vincentlanza5155
    @vincentlanza5155 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Got a tech question, my 2015 crv 4wd transmission calls for 4.5qts, I put 5 and then pulled the overflow bolt out, just a few drops came out ??, parked on level ground

  • @jeffmaloney8701
    @jeffmaloney8701 Před 11 měsíci +8

    Tom, outstanding video, subscription earned! Those repair numbers for the four vehicle brands are staggeringly impressive. My hat’s off to you, buddy. 👍

  • @MrDevior
    @MrDevior Před 11 měsíci +25

    Great video! I love your impartial approach and backed by numbers. I’ve always driven Hondas with no major issues. You’re right about the maintenance knowledge of their owners. I keep track of my miles/ maintenance all the time.

  • @sernani99
    @sernani99 Před 8 měsíci

    Thank you for this video, I am still driving my 01 dodge neon but I am looking for a honda, now I wanted a non turbo non hybrid 2.0 engine but I will consider a 2.0 turbo like the 2021 I also looked at the 2023 2.0 non turbo hybrid, my question is how long the electric motor will last and how much to replace it and second question is how long and how much to replace the hybrid battery pack? Please, if you can answer, it will help, but the reason I ask is because I read an article that says that a battery pack on the accord can cost about 14 thousand dollars to replace it? Is this right, or was the article wrong?
    Thank you so much for your knowledge and answers.

  • @pauldaviesvoiceover
    @pauldaviesvoiceover Před 10 měsíci +1

    Great info, thanks. Subscribed and hi from Australia 🇦🇺

  • @StevenBuchanan
    @StevenBuchanan Před 11 měsíci +58

    I have owned both Honda and Toyota and love them both! I am familiar with the CVT and oil burning issues. Love this video from an actual business owner. Can't wait for more videos around Toyota and Honda!

    • @cabbagememes2852
      @cabbagememes2852 Před 11 měsíci +5

      Other then Thoese little flaws, both Honda and Toyota will still always be reliable as long it gets taken care of
      And the CVT can actually last a long time too if u change the fluids for it mark me if I am wrong

  • @computerweenie
    @computerweenie Před 11 měsíci +44

    I've owned several models of both Hondas and Toyotas. I keep the service up on my vehicles and I would have to say that either of them is a good choice. I switched back and forth because of vehicle designs not because one was more reliable than the other.

  • @sergeyo2264
    @sergeyo2264 Před 10 měsíci +8

    Great analysis! Thank you for doing this. Would be also interesting to see stats with time component. Obviously newer cars have less repairs, so at what age/mileage repair curve gets steeper. i.e. - on 6th year of ownership Toyotas/Hondas start to come more often.
    Also, for this report - average vs median repair cost
    Once again - thank you for this stats!

    • @goni274
      @goni274 Před 8 měsíci

      Are there more Toyotas in ( forget the $ ) spent on repair because there are more Toyotas sold overall in Utah in the past ten years.
      Just wondering if that factors in or not.
      Dealer- what do you say?

  • @nicholaspetre1
    @nicholaspetre1 Před měsícem +2

    Thank you very much for this video. This is exactly what I wanted to hear. Great look into data.

  • @unclephil7431
    @unclephil7431 Před 11 měsíci +58

    Great job with the video. Keep it up 👍
    I only buy Toyota & Honda. I figured it out on my own by trial and error, by fixing my own cars and also being the “car guy” and helping my friends and family.
    I’m also a big data and analysis guy. Please continue dissecting your repair history. That is super interesting because of the spread of vehicles you service. I think you’re uncovering something really valuable here that not a lot of shops can do.

  • @Boogaloo_Baloo
    @Boogaloo_Baloo Před 11 měsíci +26

    Bought a 2016 civic with 54k miles on it. I got it to 108k miles in just under 2 years and it has eaten those miles up like nothing. Pretty solid car. It has done a lot of 10-12 hour drives and has had zero issues.

    • @captaincrunch8432
      @captaincrunch8432 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Is still going strong ?
      How many miles on it now?

    • @captaincrunch8432
      @captaincrunch8432 Před 11 měsíci +4

      Oh , I think I read that wrong. It’s been 2 years and that’s your mileage now

    • @prettycureforever7102
      @prettycureforever7102 Před 9 měsíci

      If you driving 10-12 hour yeah it's gonna go up

    • @BigKWS
      @BigKWS Před 4 měsíci

      The 10th gen Civics drive really well. I bought a 2019 LX just two years ago and it still feels like a new car to me even though I've got 50k miles on it now.

  • @stansbruv3169
    @stansbruv3169 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Excellent information! Thank you for creating and sharing this! I’m a new Toyota guy.

  • @randalljernigan889
    @randalljernigan889 Před 8 měsíci +16

    My experience is they are very similar in reliability. The AC system on Toyotas tend to last longer and that can be a considerable expense.

  • @vinmarz
    @vinmarz Před 11 měsíci +5

    Excellent research and presentation. I would really like your professional opinion on push start vs physical key start vehicles. I know one is way more convenient but at what cost. Thanks again.

  • @dogunboundhounds9649
    @dogunboundhounds9649 Před 11 měsíci +33

    Wow. You should be a statistician. You broke down every reason why the data may not be perfect in each scenario. I know you know that there are even more reasons why your data isn't applicable everywhere, but you still came out with true and honest statistics.
    Love the high quality thinking that was put into this video.
    Curious on what the statistics on Nissan look like.

    • @harrytej
      @harrytej Před 11 měsíci

      Nissan owners don’t have to come more often 😛 just pay that last visit and off to the ⚰️

    • @Hernsama
      @Hernsama Před 11 měsíci +8

      Calm down. He could have said another reason why there are more Toyotas in the shop is bc they sell a lot more like a lot more than Honda.

    • @leweezo33
      @leweezo33 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@Hernsama LOL.. I saw that obvious flaw in the stats too. Toyo sells waaay more autos in the U.S than Honda

    • @paullinkins8121
      @paullinkins8121 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Something about the statistics he provided: none of it specifies the frequency of repairs. He only stated the cost of each repair. One brand having a lot fewer repairs per vehicle could make their total cost of repairs much lower (or if they are bad then much higher).
      He also stated that the Ford and Chevy AROs were for trucks -- you should not compare cost of repairing trucks against the overall fleet of Hondas and Toyotas. He stated this in the video. We could assume, for example, that because trucks are physically larger with more powerful engines they have a larger ARO than a typical vehicle.

  • @Black_thunder522
    @Black_thunder522 Před 9 měsíci

    Great video and explanation with bringing all the facts to the table

  • @jeffrokraus5483
    @jeffrokraus5483 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Great topic, and thanks for providing data to support your video! 😊. That said, I think you're missing an important data point or two, to help compare. (1) How many Hondas and Toyotas are actually in your area? (2) Where else do Honda and Toyota owners go to service their vehicles, and what does that data show?

  • @bobbycornetto
    @bobbycornetto Před 11 měsíci +7

    One other data point that would be interesting is average mileage of all Toyotas being repaired versus Hondas, Fords, etc. If they’re really close, then it’s not significant. If they aren’t, it’s a factor in looking at average repair price.
    Great video. Thanks.

  • @robme3660
    @robme3660 Před 11 měsíci +39

    I've had bad luck with Honda's. Nothing major, but all had TPMS, warping rotors, and weak AC issues. It's not the end of the world, but Honda doesn't seem to improve in future gens.

    • @nateTrh
      @nateTrh Před 11 měsíci +1

      Hondas have more engineering in them usually but that leads to more issues like when euro companies overengineer their vehicles. They drive and handle better than the comparable Toyota but if you need something simple and bulletproof, Toyota is the way to go. For people that can do their own mechanic work though, hard to beat Honda for the overall package.

    • @robme3660
      @robme3660 Před 11 měsíci

      @Nathan Trinh I still loved my Honda's. I learned how to drive a manual on a 09 Honda Fit. I own 3 cars. One of them is a 2013 civic ex with 170k miles. Stupid tpms light won't turn off, but it drives fine! Edit: The AC died at 133k miles. #wintercar

    • @Gr8thxAlot
      @Gr8thxAlot Před 11 měsíci +3

      I love Hondas, but they've made some poor choices with their suppliers, resulting in many recalls. It's nothing huge, but it's a hassle. Also, they have weak a/c. On some models, the a/c is just junk.

    • @edhcb9359
      @edhcb9359 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Me too. Big time transmission problems.

    • @Smedley61
      @Smedley61 Před 11 měsíci

      @@robme3660 Regarding the TPMS that I discovered (at least on my car, which is newer) was that the spare tire was low. I had checked the pressure on all four regular tires and they were fine but TPMS wouldn't clear. I checked the spare and it was very low. I filled that and the TPMS cleared. I'm assuming the spare must be monitored as well. That said, I'm not sure what the deal would be if the spare was missing. But it's worth a quick check.

  • @fabrivila2774
    @fabrivila2774 Před 10 měsíci +7

    Thank you for this video.
    Definitely both brands are very reliable.
    I am an Honda Accord 4 cylinder, natural asperated (with no CVT) owner, and I feel very, very happy with this car. I know that the V6 with CVT's have more problems. With my car the only problem is that in my country the spare parts are too expensive and hard to find, but on the other hand, Toyota brand spare parts are very cheap and you can find them everywhere.
    I agree that both are excellent cars.
    We take care of them, because we know what we are buying.

  • @beachcomber4141
    @beachcomber4141 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Great information for someone about to buy a Honda or a Toyota! Thank you sir!

  • @rondail5675
    @rondail5675 Před 11 měsíci +13

    Good, honest review. Either are good choices. I hate that so many have CVT's.

  • @lawdog516
    @lawdog516 Před 11 měsíci +3

    Great video and really valuable information, thanks

  • @neilquinn
    @neilquinn Před 8 měsíci

    Curious if it was the newer 9spd transmission that failed on your pilot? My parents picked up a 2019 pilot lx that still had the old 6spd and I suspect it may have been a good choice. I’m also debating this because I’m deciding between a TLX or Lexus IS300. The TLX trans I think is the weak point

    • @ShadetreeAutomotiveLayton
      @ShadetreeAutomotiveLayton  Před 8 měsíci

      Yes that probably was a good move. The transmission on ours was 9 speed.

    • @neilquinn
      @neilquinn Před 8 měsíci

      @@ShadetreeAutomotiveLayton Ya that 9spd seems sketchy. I'm leaning towards a Lexus IS/GS instead to avoid it I think.

  • @hilmidoubleten
    @hilmidoubleten Před 9 měsíci +2

    Definitely agree with your reviews! ❤

  • @The.Car.Guru.
    @The.Car.Guru. Před 11 měsíci +211

    Great video. I truly believe older Toyotas and Hondas were overall more reliable. I also believe the new maintenance intervals are making newer Hondas and Toyotas look worse than they are. Example being 10k mi oil changes and ‘lifetime transmission fluid’ Seems to be a marketing scheme for cheap maintenance.

    • @TrymeAsshole
      @TrymeAsshole Před 11 měsíci

      It’s planned obsolescence … they want you to buy more vehicles…

    • @whyyoubust789
      @whyyoubust789 Před 11 měsíci +11

      Honda has no lifetime trans fluid 3 years or 30k

    • @The.Car.Guru.
      @The.Car.Guru. Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@whyyoubust789 Toyota does

    • @piggy310
      @piggy310 Před 11 měsíci +12

      @@The.Car.Guru. I'm still waiting on my "sealed" Toyota transmission to die, 260k miles..any day now, right?

    • @The.Car.Guru.
      @The.Car.Guru. Před 11 měsíci +6

      @@piggy310 have you ever changed the fluid? If not, I’m actually impressed it’s lasted that long lol

  • @dyates6380
    @dyates6380 Před 8 měsíci +3

    What a great video. I actually googled your place and the reviews are ridiculously good. I'd take my truck to you guys in a heartbeat.

  • @ameremortal
    @ameremortal Před 9 měsíci

    Congratulations on your business. Those are some amazing numbers. You’re a boss!!!

  • @Fruit-xt6hw
    @Fruit-xt6hw Před 9 měsíci +3

    Thanks for the video. I own both Hondas and Toyotas. Love them both for very different reasons.

  • @Hodenkat
    @Hodenkat Před 11 měsíci +14

    A few Honda dealers in my area love to do what I call "clip-boarding". With under 50K miles, you bring it to them for an oil change and tire rotation, but while you're in the waiting area they come strolling up to you holding a clip-board and rattle off $1400 worth of things "the manufacturer recommends having done" at your specific mileage. It sometimes has me thinking that they price the jobs so by the time you reach 100K miles you're looking at replacements that will cost as much as a down payment on a new vehicle.

    • @Sugarnaut
      @Sugarnaut Před 11 měsíci +2

      This happened every time I took my Civic in for oil change while it was under warranty. Also noticed they had changed most of their service reps every time I went in. Heavy turnover in staff is never fun to deal with. Great comment!

    • @stidwell91
      @stidwell91 Před 3 měsíci

      My Honda dealer, Southwest Honda in Amarillo, Tx, listed the replacement of the cabin air filter at 99.00. What a greedy joke!

  • @jaet4018
    @jaet4018 Před 11 měsíci +7

    We own both Honda & Toyotas...cars & trucks. '98-2010 years. Both still running strong. As long as you do regular maintenance they take care of you. Will not change to any other brand. Plus I see all older models still on the road more than any other brand.

  • @kirkkronenberger877
    @kirkkronenberger877 Před 8 měsíci

    Great video, very comprehensive. Subbed.

  • @Below_Average_Nerd
    @Below_Average_Nerd Před 9 měsíci

    would love to hear your thoughts on Lexus. great video. keep these coming.

  • @ralphwiggum3134
    @ralphwiggum3134 Před 8 měsíci +8

    I watched this video because I have owned both brands. I have a Yaris that has over 220,000 miles and I am saving up for a new vehicle in the next year or two (it's still doing incredibly well, but I fear it will start having problems in the future). At this time, I am leaning toward a Corolla hybrid. It seems to fit my wants and needs perfectly, but I also have looked at the Civic. Thanks for the great video. I haven't looked at cars in well over a decade, so I'm trying to catch up on what I need to know for my next purchase.

    • @alexhickey5633
      @alexhickey5633 Před 3 měsíci

      Hold onto that yaris. A bit more reliable than the hybrid, and way cheaper to fix

    • @KillerofGods
      @KillerofGods Před měsícem

      ​@@alexhickey5633What's wrong with the hybrid? Other than the battery which will go out eventually. Seems to have less wear items other than that though, but that is one pricey fix.

    • @alexhickey5633
      @alexhickey5633 Před měsícem

      @@KillerofGods exactly that. Once a battery goes in a hybrid car its pretty much a write off. Honda uses a soft enough 1.5 liter petrol engine in the fit and insight. Fuel dilution is that engines killer. And the eventual hybrid batteru issue

  • @ruthlessmofo
    @ruthlessmofo Před 11 měsíci +4

    Got a 2000 Toyota Camry LE with 252,000 miles that I use as my daily. Had to replace the struts/sway bar links, and the exhaust. Easy to work on. Also got a 2011 Honda Accord coupe V6 with 95,000 miles. Only issue I've had is a bad driver side wheel bearing.

  • @DavidMosby
    @DavidMosby Před 11 dny

    Great video. I am a new subscriber today. Thanks

  • @MFS45
    @MFS45 Před 11 měsíci +112

    Toyota edges Honda out, there's no question about that. Especially in the recent model years, Honda has been having some pretty questionable reliability issues.

    • @TrymeAsshole
      @TrymeAsshole Před 11 měsíci +12

      Finally someone with sense

    • @jerryfaircloth
      @jerryfaircloth Před 11 měsíci +16

      I had a 2007 Civic Si and that was a killer engine and never had any issues. So when it came time for new I weighed the differences in Honda's and Toyota's and found the Camry to be the best choice and here are the main reasons. No turbocharger to cause issues in the future, D4S instead of DI only which should keep the intake valves much cleaner and Honda was having considerable issues with oil dilution and things on the newer high compression small displacement engines. The Toyo also had a conventional AT which is well proven. Just do some googling and you will see what I mean. Anyway absolutely love the Toyota. Hope Honda gets it back together in the future.

    • @whereswaldo9089
      @whereswaldo9089 Před 11 měsíci +2

      ​@Jerry Faircloth honda still has N/A engines should've gone with that skip the turbos and you will be good, oil dilution was only in the 1.5turbos in the civic specifically

    • @raymondreiff8170
      @raymondreiff8170 Před 10 měsíci

      I only own Honda's have since 05 from GM, And a Diesel tech for class 8 Trucks, I of course maintain all my own Vehicles, As far as Honda Quality goes, We own a 2020 Civic Sport Sedan with a 6 speed manual with a 2 liter K20C2 N/A engine, Why because Honda simply has Too many headgasket problems with the 1.5 liter in my opinion, Now to be fair I guess many of those problems show up with modified cars and in the Accords with 1.5ls, Personally I wait until Honda has there 💩 together on any New engine or Transmission design, As far as Toyota Manufacturing better Cars I don't believe that for a minute, Toyota has more Vehicles American want and own but Simply aren't better in my opinion, The average repair orders speak for themselves, The car care nut channel is 100% Toyota repair channel, He and his guys stay busy rebuilding Toyota's so saying Your Toyota never needs major repairs is just a LIE.

    • @MFS45
      @MFS45 Před 10 měsíci +4

      @@raymondreiff8170 Hondas have seen a steep decline in both quality and innovation, it's the truth. They have completely stagnated in almost every aspect, including the luxury side (Acura). Honda back in the day was THE company for reliable cars that were quite sporty and innovative, and that couldn't be further from the truth in 2023.
      Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but the "truth" that you speak of shows that modern Hondas have greatly fallen in reliability, and Toyota and Mazda are currently beating Honda in terms of reliability.
      Hondas are not what they used to be, that being said, they're still better than any American or European junk on the market.

  • @rjhein
    @rjhein Před 11 měsíci +6

    I think the point you made about the type of vehicles Toyota builds vs Honda (more truck-like purposes) - people bag on older Toyotas offroad, use them for towing/hauling etc far more than anything Honda would build. My hunch is if you adjust for those differences, Toyota likely would come in at an overall lower cost. In any case, good review. They are both excellent vehicles. I have had more troubles personally on my Acura MDX (constant water leaks/transmission/oil leaks) that any of our Toyotas, but that may not be a good long term example as I'm sure it goes both ways.

  • @kurzhaarsilva
    @kurzhaarsilva Před 9 měsíci

    You did a very good job. Nothing but respect to you. Just facts and nothing personal. I applaud you sir.

  • @AliHassan-zu2do
    @AliHassan-zu2do Před 9 měsíci

    Thank you very much for this information

  • @brianthompson9717
    @brianthompson9717 Před 11 měsíci +46

    Would like to have heard the average mileage on those also. I have owned both and loved both of them.

  • @nicolasbourillon4320
    @nicolasbourillon4320 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Good honest review thanks ! I drive here in Québec a Honda Civic Coupe that I bought new in 2020 with the 2.0 L NA engine (K20C2) with port injection and a manual gear box very happy with the car so far ! I don't really like engines with turbo, direct injection and CVT transmission as far as reliability is concerned...

    • @BigKWS
      @BigKWS Před 4 měsíci +1

      Gosh, I have the CVT in mine and so far I like it. It really seems to help on the gas mileage compared to a manual transmission. I don't like turbos either.

    • @natedogg7284
      @natedogg7284 Před měsícem +1

      @@BigKWSI also have a CVT and damn, that gas mileage is sweet. Especially paired with a 1.5t engine. If the turbo doesn’t even spool up, it may as well be a 1.5L NA, so needless to say it absolutely sips fuel.

  • @cappy7676
    @cappy7676 Před 7 měsíci

    Do you service Lexus as well? Would like to see those thrown in the mix. Thank you!!

  • @srmashwani
    @srmashwani Před 6 měsíci

    Amazing video. You should have more such videos on your channel. Great content. See if you have time and intention to review new cars in the eyes of a seasonal mechanic and see if they are good enough (and possible problems they may face in future because of their design)

  • @joelcleare
    @joelcleare Před 11 měsíci +11

    Super informative. I’ve always said I would rather buy from an shop mechanic than a sales person.

    • @jerrystephenson1172
      @jerrystephenson1172 Před 11 měsíci

      Yes, before buying a new vehicle at a dealership, try to have a talk w/the Service Manager abt. the issues & maintenance of said intended purchase.

  • @MrKnightoflight
    @MrKnightoflight Před 11 měsíci +16

    I own a 2019 Honda Ridgeline. It is my first Japanese brand vehicle. However, it is built in the United States with more US parts than most other vehicles in its class. I am really pleased with it after over three years of ownership. The only issue so far has been some body molding being loose. That was fixed at the dealership. Looking forward to many years of reliable driving. I drove a 2023 Toyota Camry rental car recently. I was not impressed with it as much as my 2015 Chevrolet Impala. I would like to try a Honda Accord later. I like a big trunk!
    Thank you for your review.

    • @gabevillarreal96
      @gabevillarreal96 Před 11 měsíci +6

      I've owned an accord v6 for 8 years and what you will find in the Accord over the camry is the fact that ThecHonda Accird simply feels and sounds like it's built to a higher standard. It feels like a class above in the build quality, materials quality and fit and finish. They just feel more substantial. Although the Toyotas will run forever!

    • @kaceydillin7367
      @kaceydillin7367 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Get you what is now an older accord. 18 to 20? I had a 1.5t Sport with 6 speed manual. Loved that car. Bulletproof

    • @disco.lemonade
      @disco.lemonade Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@gabevillarreal96 Same here. Our Corolla felt very cheap compared to our Civic. Civic drives much better too. Both well taken care of will last so many years without big issues, so it was hard for us to keep the Corolla over the Civic

    • @jerryrocketandthegogogirls3517
      @jerryrocketandthegogogirls3517 Před 11 měsíci

      Why tf would you buy one of those lmao

    • @gabevillarreal96
      @gabevillarreal96 Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@jerryrocketandthegogogirls3517 It's a lifestyle vehicle. It's smooth quiet rides better than any truck out there, has some really good utility abd It's gonna be there for the Ling haul. It's definitely not a status vehicle. My friend who owns his own construction business and makes a ton of money has a 2014 Ridgeline that he drives exclusively all the time everywhere abd loves it. He literally could buy anything but chose this for his needs and it works. TO each their own.

  • @monkeyfoodtv-gy4qu
    @monkeyfoodtv-gy4qu Před 9 měsíci

    Would be curious to see a video on which particular Honda and Toyota models you think are more reliable than others

  • @MR-ci5st
    @MR-ci5st Před 8 měsíci

    Hello. Thx for your video. I live in france and own a 2021 corolla hybrid 184 hp with the m20a motor. Could you please tell me what grade of oil would you use in it?

    • @brarautorepairs
      @brarautorepairs Před měsícem

      0w16 oil. It's like water. Personally, I would use 0w20

  • @MiguelAngel-jp6xo
    @MiguelAngel-jp6xo Před 6 měsíci +4

    I bought a 2005 Accord 4 years ago with 18k miles. Now reaching 210k. I changed myself the timing belt, water pump and the suspension system. Running great. Honda and Toyota rock.

  • @brentbeardsley655
    @brentbeardsley655 Před 8 měsíci +4

    Our stable: 2014 Accord V6 with 60,000 miles, 2014 Mazda 6 with 75,000 miles, daughters 2008 4cyl Accord with 140,000 miles, sons 2005 Camry V6 with 160,000 miles and 2004 Toyota Sienna with 203,000 miles. The Sienna is the best vehicle I have ever owned. Bulletproof reliability. Every one of my cars gets full synthetic oil changes every 5,000 miles. Only drawback is all 3 V6's have timing belts that need replaced every 100,000 miles.

    • @microgreensgrower3946
      @microgreensgrower3946 Před 25 dny +1

      I absolutely love my Sienna too. It gets a new timing belt, water pump, and seals done tomorrow at a cost of $1,100 at our favorite local shop (not dealership). It just turned over 200,000 miles but I expect another 100,000 with little to no problems as I've had so far. Regular maintenance always.

  • @baroonono
    @baroonono Před 2 měsíci +1

    great video. thanks for sharing!

  • @jasonmunday9056
    @jasonmunday9056 Před 8 měsíci

    Awesome informative video. Thx!

  • @michaelkeister8689
    @michaelkeister8689 Před 11 měsíci +5

    I have a 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser base 2WD V-6. She has 220k miles and still runs fantastic. Sure, there have been issues over the years, but it has been minimal. I have always stayed on top of the oil changes and preventative maintenance, and I feel like I will get at least another 100k miles out of her. They do go through O2 censors, and I had issues with multiple calipers, but overall, I love this vehicle. P.S. A good mechanic can many times fix a caliper instead of making you buy a new one.

  • @user-dn9yn7mt6g
    @user-dn9yn7mt6g Před 11 měsíci +5

    Great video. I’m a Toyota fanatic but I admire Hondas greatly. Will want to own one soon

  • @AndreiGrozea
    @AndreiGrozea Před 9 měsíci +1

    Looking forward to seeing the oil consumption video. I had a 2012 9th gen Civic with the R18 (1.8l) engine for about 2 years now and it's been serving me well, but it started to burn oil around the 85k mile mark, around 100ml (0.1qt) / 1000miles with the OEM 0W20 oil, and with a new PCV valve. Hondas are a bit harder to come by in Europe and I would like to keep it as much as I can, but I'm not sure how worried I should be about the oil burning.

    • @nofyfb123
      @nofyfb123 Před 8 měsíci

      One thing I can tell you for sure - don't expect any sympathy from honda. How do I know? My - stick made in Japan!!! - failed @36,200 mi (warranty in the US is 36,000 mi), honda's reaction was "tough shit". NEVER AGAIN!

    • @BigKWS
      @BigKWS Před 4 měsíci

      That does sound rather unusual. The rings on it must have burned a little too much or the valve stem guides might be bad. Are you sure it's not a leak? I had a '96 Civic that didn't burn any oil, but it leaked quite a bit until I had all the gaskets replaced. So you might want to have a checked out by a certified Honda mechanic and get their opinion as to what the cause might be.

    • @piepmatz3418
      @piepmatz3418 Před 4 měsíci

      That's a common issue with 2012-2013 Civics. They used piston rings that are too thin during these years. From 2014 they used bigger ones. So a replacement of piston rings could solve the issue but is quite expensive.

  • @TheAngelBacon
    @TheAngelBacon Před 4 měsíci +2

    I love this guys charisma. I subbed :D

  • @toddh2410
    @toddh2410 Před 11 měsíci +3

    I bought a 2018 civic sport new. I have almost 100,000 miles on it now. I try to change the oil at 4000 miles but no more than 5000 miles. So far I’ve had absolutely no repairs. Hope it keeps going this well. Hoping to get about 300,000 miles out of it. This car delivers an amazing combination of gas mileage and performance!!!

  • @Hypn0s2
    @Hypn0s2 Před 11 měsíci +7

    I think you should always research common issues specific to a year/model/engine/trans before any car purchase. Like you mention Ford trucks but you have to watch out for the 5.4L 3 valve V8.

  • @jermaineallen2879
    @jermaineallen2879 Před 8 měsíci

    Love this very honest un bias. And explains the possibilities if I lived in Utah I would go to this shop

  • @Lcnacosta
    @Lcnacosta Před 8 měsíci +1

    Very good information. Thank you!

  • @specter1096867II
    @specter1096867II Před 10 měsíci +24

    Ive owned both and i still prefer the old school, lots of workspace to work with and doesnt have to require to remove mounts to get space needed. Both are bullet proof but definitely if you want reliability, stay away from turbo, its the first component bound to go out first

    • @Benjy86
      @Benjy86 Před 9 měsíci +3

      The whole "stay away from turbos if you want reliability" may have been true 10 yeas ago but they've come a long way. If the turbo fails on a Honda in 2023 it's a cheap fix. They put the turbo right on the top of the engine. It's pretty much a DIY project they made it so easy. Also, they've come a very long way with turbos. They are much more reliable than they used to be.

  • @SamslamminCars
    @SamslamminCars Před 11 měsíci +23

    Good review! People who buy a Honda or Toyota typically have reliability as a main concern. Therefore, willing to do more maintenance and pay to keep up with it. I drive a bunch of old Honda's daily and still will recommend Toyota's if reliability is your main concern. For the fun factor; almost nothing beats a built CRX.

    • @KingMe1
      @KingMe1 Před 11 měsíci

      Exactly. Hate going to the mechanic.

    • @aaronbarkley539
      @aaronbarkley539 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Really a CRX? Never driven one, I’ve had an NA Miata and now an S2000, both amazing cars.

    • @andrewbinghamjr
      @andrewbinghamjr Před 11 měsíci

      @@KingMe1 that and I can’t afford to deal with bull crap.

    • @ragabnh
      @ragabnh Před 11 měsíci +1

      Owned a 1984 new CRX back then, great car indeed. I am a Toyota/Lexus
      guy though

    • @SamslamminCars
      @SamslamminCars Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@aaronbarkley539 the S2000 is king with that F series screamer & rear wheel drive but CRX in the right hands is a monster. Cannot beat 2100 lbs with that short wheel base. Anything over 150 HP can hang with most on the streets. 2-250 with a LSD transmission is icing on the cake.

  • @SlayerOfPlayer
    @SlayerOfPlayer Před 8 měsíci

    Out of curiosity what was the most expensive and least expensive service for either brand?

  • @pasha9358
    @pasha9358 Před 10 měsíci

    Thank you for your honesty 😊

  • @sonalmalhotra07
    @sonalmalhotra07 Před 11 měsíci +5

    Just as a suggestion. I know its tough but Its likely that there may be more TOyotas in Utah versus Honda- that could also account for why more Toyota are coming in to shop. So an even more fair test would be the age mileage and number of vehicles in your service area. Thanks Great Video.

  • @dragonman7914
    @dragonman7914 Před 11 měsíci +111

    Working for both dealerships. Our warranty repair with Honda was 3-5% warranty repair every month and Toyota was 15-20% warranty repair. Both are really good compared to domestic brands. Honda is far superior when it comes to come backs.

    • @jeffmorse645
      @jeffmorse645 Před 11 měsíci +8

      Thanks for that comment. I had no idea Honda was better as far as warranty repairs go. I just assumed Toyota was.

    • @dragonman7914
      @dragonman7914 Před 11 měsíci +12

      @@jeffmorse645 Toyota just does a really good job at promoting themselves. Kinda like coke vs pepsi .

    • @ddg2256
      @ddg2256 Před 11 měsíci +14

      In my personal experience, it flips past the 15 year mark. Old Honda's are generally still very good, but past the 15 year mark the Toyota's are slightly more reliable. That said, Toyota's rust out a bit quicker than Honda's.

    • @qud3913
      @qud3913 Před 11 měsíci +15

      @@dragonman7914 Not really, according to every reliability statistics Toyota is #1, Honda usually holds 3rd or 4th place

    • @EricTheGreat508
      @EricTheGreat508 Před 11 měsíci +13

      @@qud3913 Honda is easier to work on for most things. Toyota tends to be more complex, but I would go with either. They’re both excellent. The Honda does have the “fun factor” over Toyota.

  • @mattalexander4699
    @mattalexander4699 Před 8 měsíci +1

    What do you think of Honda's cylinder deactivation? We are leaning towards a Pilot but that crap scares me as far as long term durability!

  • @nicolemarie3258
    @nicolemarie3258 Před 5 měsíci

    Thank you. I appreciate your input. I've been thinking about buying a Honda Accord lately. I just wanted to be certain they were reliable cars(with proper maintenance). 👍☺

  • @foxwithtubesox1075
    @foxwithtubesox1075 Před 11 měsíci +4

    My last 4 cars have been Honda/Acura. My current daily driver is a TL Type S that just hit 280,000 miles. Smooth as butter.
    The only other brand I would consider when it's time to purchase a new car would be a Toyota/Lexus.