Honda vs Toyota Reliability (You Won't Believe The Result)
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- čas přidán 7. 04. 2023
- Is Toyota or Honda more reliable? If you're comparing Toyota vs Honda, there's a lot that goes into picking the most reliable car. You'll see ownership costs, maintenance costs, expected trips to the dealership or repair bay, and all of the comparisons of parts.
Is Honda good? is Honda worth it? Is Toyota good and are they worth it? What's it going to cost you every year when you own a Toyota and what are the most reliable Toyota or Honda cars you can own? All that is answered, and I'll even show you as I review these great cars.
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I bought my 2003 Toyota Corolla brand new. I’m getting my 20th year registration this year. I’ve done 515.000 kilometres. Every meter driven by me. I’ve literally driven to the moon and now I’m coming back. It still drives as well as it did 15 years ago, obviously not as well as when new. But not far off. This car will forever remain the best car I’ve ever owned.
@johnstath9666. Same here. Owned a 2003 Corolla that I sold to m father-in-law 11 years ago to buy a new Ford Edge. I regret this decision. The Corolla is running well 20 years later and my Ford Edge is falling apart.
Not gonna lie, you have the indestructible Corolla. If you don't have to worry about smog, it will literally run forever.
Woow Congratulations! 🎉
Yes! I also have my beloved light blue 2003 Toyota Corolla she still looks so pretty to my eyes as I park her up against new cars she 100% classy beautiful.😂😍
Faithfully serve me well 12 years now moving on close to 5000K 🎉❤
My Corolla is as good as a best friend unfortunately my car has outlasted a best friend to be honest. It happens 😊
I know our cars can be a blessing or a curse.
Thank God I been Blessed in good and difficult stage of my life, I can rely on my 2003 Toyota Corolla to start up every time,during the coldest winter 🥶in NZ throughout the years of owning 2003 Toyota Corolla.
Well done and Thanks to Toyota industry for my car.
I Wish you the best and safe travels many more years driving your precious 2003 Toyota Corolla. 🙏😇
This generation Corolla (2003-2008) is probably one of the most reliable cars ever made. It was well designed, has a good ride for a relatively small car, and has excellent fuel economy with a decent amount of power. I still see many of them on the road and in shopping center parking lots in my area.
I’ve been around a long time and have owned and still repair my vehicles. What I’m seeing is, you’re now getting less for more money. We’re going backwards. Cars should have gotten more reliable and should last longer but now, with almost everything we buy, is we’re getting worse and doesn’t last. A throw away society. $60k-$80k for 160k miles? Or less.
You can thank the EPA for forcing manufacturers to introduce over complicated technologies to try to squeeze out as many MPGs as they can. Cylinder deactivation, auto start/stop, turbocharging, CVTs, etc.
@@little123456788 the us govt should stay out of everyone’s bizniz
@@little123456788 Nothing wrong with turbo, very common in Europe since the 90s. A friend's Volvo 740 turbo had a turbo renovation for €360 or so but it also has closer to 400,000 km!
Another friend's 850 Turbo, OG turbo from factory as well as my coworker's Saab 9-3 Turbo.
My sister's old Audi A3 "wagon" still runs great too and it's nearly 270,000 km.
I never come across any european car that has any engine/turbo related issues, it's mostly our damn salt eating cars for breakfast here in Sweden.
You can thank planned obsolescence, and it's just not with cars, it's with practically everything. I have 20 year old phones with batteries that still work.
True
My wife and I been purchasing Honda's since the 80's and Toyota's since the 90's. We currently have two Toyota prodcts and 3 Honda/Acura. I can't see us ever buying anything else.
The JAP's rules!Nothing else to do!👌🫵
Not true... you can always upgrade to Acura or Lexus....
Ford trucks are great too IMO. Just my experience.
@@Aikynbreusov😂 same basically
Come on man try a Subaru or Mitsubishi for once.
I have a 2020 Corolla, it’s been good so far. I’ve always been a Honda guy, and I drove a civic rental a few weeks ago. The interior is light years better than my Corolla, it rode better and it had better tech. Frankly even if the Toyota is slightly more reliable I would lean Honda for the better interior and ride and 90% of the reliability.
I agree with this! I’d have to say Toyota reliability is probably 1% better than Toyota if it even is better. Never had a bad Honda experience
As someone who works at a Honda dealer they are not 1-10% lower in reliability I’d say closer to 20%. They were very close but now that Honda switch to small motors with turbos I’ve noticed it’s starting to go backwards. Toyota still uses mainly N/A motors so it’s not even a comparison. Toyotas are very boring but they work and that’s all anyone needs in a daily driver.
@@deadly134 Boring is good in a car, boring is reliable. I have always been a function over form guy when it comes to tools and cars are simply tools for me to get to where I need to go. I will drive the ugliest car if it means I can traverse a desert without it ever failing.
@@16190john
I have, lots of the,
@@deadly134 what do you mean boring?
I'm the kind of person who would get both an accord and a camry and maintain them the same way religiously and keep them FOREVER. Chart and track everything.
You bring up a great point because impeccably maintained, one-owner cars with very high mileage do not come up for sale often unless the owner passes away or through some other circumstance. Unless you maintained the car yourself, there's really no way to verify service with or without service records.
Well said guys
Yeeeeah, you must be earth sign , most def Capricorn in there...hehee😂😊
My fam has had both Camrys and Accords (sometimes at the same time) and they've all been equally reliable.
Go with Honda
This comes from the same guy who said BMW’s reliability is on par with Toyota in another video
My trust after reading this: 📉📉📉📉📉📉📉
Toyota is number One.
Never .. NOPE .. not in this life time .!!!!!
Lol glad I read this before wasting my time watching the video
You guys missed the point. While it's still better than most, Honda's reliability isn't what it used to be. They've been having transmission issues since the 2000 model year on several different models, plus the recent oil dilution issue on the 1.5 turbo engines. I used to be the "Fond of Honda" guy and still am in many ways. However, the Honda crowd are almost acting like Subaru people. The cars have issues and the crowd ignores it. Honda has always made a good car, but when there are issues, Honda likes to place the blame on the owners if it looks to be a common thing, then they offer a TSB. Toyota is so obsessed with their reputation, so they want to keep you on the road. Any issues and they are on it immediately.
He quoted Consumer Reports when he mentioned BMW ranking more reliable than Honda. He was very surprised by the ranking himself and he said, 15:35 "Take it with a grain of salt." He wasn't truly convinced either. However, the new Supra had to meet certain standards to wear the Toyota badge and BMW must've delivered on it. That means everything below the 5 Series benefitted from this.
I've been a Honda guy with a 94 Accord, 00 Acura TL, 08 Odyssey, and then decided to try Toyota for the first time. Bought the 2010 Venza V6 loaded. I didn't even test drive the car and signed the paperwork on 12/31/09. That's how much confidence I had in Toyota. Although a brand new model, the Venza shared the same Camry / Highlander chassis and it's basically a Camry and Highlander merger into one. I fell in love with the near Lexus quality interior refinement. But that was the end of my love for Toyota the moment I took the car off the lot. When I stopped at a red light, I could feel the engine vibration from the brake pedal and the steering wheel. The isolated and tranquil feel of the Toyota I was expecting couldn't be found. This Venza was full of NHV,. Noise Harshness and vibration. And this was supposed to be the signature buttery 3.5L V6 engine found in the Sienna, Highlander and Camry. I hated the Venza so much, I'd rather drive the 08 Odyssey. At 100k major service, the mechanic showed me the Venza had a leak between the engine and the transmission. That's the time I gave up on this Venza. Bought a 2016 CR-V, and then a 2022 CR-V. My brother: 2018 CR-V, 2020 CR-V. My friend, 2017 CR-V, 2022 Pilot.
In general, I prefer Honda's premium interior over Toyota's cheap plastics, knobs, and switches.
Honda excels in space management. It's just so much easier and friendlier to utilize a Honda than a Toyota.
Honda has much better stereo systems than Toyota.
Honda is more advanced in infotainment improvements.
Most importantly, Honda is just more fun to drive. Handles way better than a Toy.
Yeah my experience with Toyota has been mixed. My 06 xB has been reliable overall but Toyota was too cheap when buidling the car. Also has minor weird issues like the liftgate handle that easily breaks. Also burns oil. Then there is the 08 Prius which has its fair share of Toyota factory errors: Dashboard fialing to illuminate (expensive fix), headlght ballast issue, burns oil, roof leak into the trunk...Yes Toyota is great overall but they do make big mistakes.
Jesus dude write a book 📖 😅 …
Honda has terrible transmission issues.. all that you listed of why Honda is "better" won't matter when you get the bill for a new transmission or repairing one.
@@punishment2560 true, the 2000 TL had numerous tranny issues. All covered under warranty, fortunately.
I know a lot of people choose Toyota over Honda. That’s totally fine. Toyota makes great cars!
I was one of the unlucky ones with a 1st gen Venza V6. not refined and leaked prematurely.
This is what i learned:
Lexus over Acura
Honda over Toyota
@@punishment2560hmm. Never had major issues. Cvt are good in the 2014 n up
Wife has a 2019 Toyota Corolla, great car with 6 speed MT. I daily drive our 1999 Honda Accord. We now use the Accord as the dog car. The Accord has been bullet proof, most of the car is original, almost no repairs with regular maintenance. Both brands are excellent.
A 99 accord is not a 2023 accord.
I’ve owned nothing but Toyota’s and never had a problem. They have a great dealership network and great line up of vehicles, from a Prius to a beautiful TRD Tundra or Tacoma. It’s true that 99% percent of the time you will ever be sitting at a Toyota service department will be just for regular maintenance like oil changes.
I must be the 1%
@@7CFlomust be because same … I’ve never had a major issue and owned 4 🤞… I will say I need an Audi or something fun next 😅
@@Dontdoitguy I didn't have them too long. Probably better off with the Audi
@@7CFlo yea if you’re not the owner who keeps their cars 15-20+ yrs that long term reliability means nada
@@Dontdoitguy You can easily judge a person on how he treats his cars. Someone who can keep their cars in great condition for many years speaks volumes on their character along with choosing cars that have dependability rather than running fast or looking cool.
I've owned a used 85 accord, used 91 acura nsx, new 94 accord, new 06 accord, new 08 accord, used 06 pilot, new 12 Ridgeline, still have a new 14 Ridgeline, used 92 cbr 600 (pic), used 99 cbr 900rr ( in pic), new 09 cbr 1000 repsol, new 14 cbr 1000sp (pic), new 09 trx 450 quad, used 08 trx 400 quad, used 86 cr 250r, and I've never been stranded on anywhere on anyday ever. My 94 accord needed the ignition switch changed out at around 120,000miles. Sold it to my cousin and he currently drives it to work with over 300,000 miles.
Cheers
Today here in Edmonton Alberta Canada, the temperature is -40⁰f. My old 2006 Corolla with 400k km has no problems starting up and get going while many new GM and Ford cars requires my help to boost them
Absolutely, it is seriously cold in Edmonton and very few cars actually start in this nasty temps
I own a 2012 honda civic. This car ask for nothing but oil change and tires. Its been very reliable so far. Jd motor has a 5 out of 5 stars in reliability which is a perfect score. Very reliable car
I have 2019 Honda CR-V 1.5T. And I had no problems with this engine. Very happy. Plan to use this car for 10-12 years.
My 2011 Accord is going strong. Almost at 200k
I have a 2018 Honda HRV with 110k miles, going strong as well. Honda power 💯
Can't complain about the Honda products I own. Pretty solid only needing general maintenance
Thank you brother Mark, excellent video and info. You have great knowledge and very helpful. Happy Easter to you and the family. God bless.
My mom's Lexus LX470 (AKA Toyota Landcruiser) just reached 200,000 with ZERO mechanical and electrical problems.. the brake pump went out and she paid $300 to get it fixed... everything works fine just the way it was brand new
I had a 2004 Honda Pilot and a 2005 Lexus GX 470. Both were great. Honda traded at 400K, Lexus at 370K. Had very few issues with either. Lexus interior held up better. Honda was better Mechanically . That being said, traded both in on a 2021 Lexus GX 460.
WOW i didn't know cars can even go that far! did you have long commutes? more time on the highway? what did you do to maintain those vehicles?
@@jinsu0504 highway miles!
@@loukatzerman4517 tell me what you did to maintain it for that long....Just regular oil changes????
Personally, I have always preferred Toyota. To each their own, as Honda can hold its place as reliable.
Great video Mark!
Good to see that you could have used some sunglasses!
Well said! Haha thats true Thomas, yes we finally got a little sun, but I hear some big snow is hitting tonight, more to the West be we are set for a couple cool days of rain and snow either way. Yes I agree, Toyota seems to be building more interesting cars these days from the GR Corolla to the GR Supra to the Twin Turbo Tundra and even the 86. Things are shaping up, as they also have the work horse like the 4Runners and some Lexus models that are tanks, and in a good way. Honda has the NSX right now, but other than that, the INtegra is basically a rebadged Civic. Innovation is the key. How are things going over there?
Great video! My Honda Accord 2007, 4 cylinder, is at 253,000 and still running great.
that cvt and 1.5 turbo in the honda kept me from buying a accord...do i bought a 21 camry....25000 miles....not a problem..great car
I own a 2019crv with 1.5 . Terrible engine in a cold climate. Oil dilution and no heat. I have owned hondas since 1991 . This is the first time I have been disappointed with a Honda
Even Dodge Neons weren’t having problems at 25k miles lol.
@@lefthanded5473 Two head gaskets later
After owning a 2018 camry xse v6 and accord V6 touring I can faithfully say the camry was bulletproof
Camry needs service at longer period just like Honda but they do make them robustly eh?
Can you really say that though? It’s only been 5 years and I’m assuming you no longer own the Camry based on your past tense sentence. Why did you get rid of the Camry?
Do you still have both the Camry and Accord?
@@pluvse I still have the accord. But I sold the camry. Got a supra as a replacement 😋
I had over 200k on the camry. The accord has under 70k on it
Great energy in your presentation. Thanks for the detail.
Thank you very much
I have been reading that Honda has been dipping in reliability over past 5 years. When they started reducing size of displacement, adding turbo and cvt than the problems followed. They went off formula and hence the result. No tiny engines, no turbo, no cvt, no start/stop, no automatic braking.
Yup I personally own a 17 civic hatchback, alot of ac issues. Think there's even a lawsuit going on over the ac problems.
The only issue I have had is with the AC in my 2020 Honda HRV touring. I had to have the blower motor and resister replaced at 64,000 miles. That was ridiculous. Other than that, I love the car.
The motors are smaller with forced induction they are working way harder. Toyota still mainly uses N/A motors
What is a "N/A?" motor? Never heard of this before. @@deadly134
@@fremontpathfinder8463me
If you're on a budget, definitely change your own oil! and same with brake jobs
My white 2012 Civic LX standard had a hesitation issue right at 3000 RPM. Dealer said I needed a new clutch for $2000. They could "tell right away" that it was a worn clutch. I refused the repair because I knew that it was not the clutch, and later found a tear (hole) in the intake rubber boot, after the MAF sensor. I replaced the rubber boot for $20 myself and the hesitation issue completely disappeared. I have not had a problem for 2 years since.
Good sleuthing
They'd have changed the clutch and, before finishing, replaced the inexpensive ductwork and said repaired. We know the dealership hooks up a computer to isolate the problem, so yes, they're either incompetent or untrustworthy.
Just noticed you're in my backyard... subscribed. I prefer to see a Canadian take on cars, because we have pretty harsh weather compared to our neighbours to the south. Looking forward to seeing more content.
Thank you very much and welcome to the channel. It’s great to hear from neighbors and true I am putting CZcams and Edmonton on the map. Lol, that’s if Bill C11 and C18 do t crush the dreams. Have a great weekend
I have owned/married 2 Hondas and my last Honda ( 94 Accord EX ) went 255K and ran Great, but rusted out after 26 years. Though it rarely went back to the Thieving Dealer ship. Even my Honda dealership only charges $70 for an oil change currently. My 2103 Honda Accord EX with 80K with the 2.4 liter W/ Direct injection & CVT trans has Never had a problem. I also have a 2017 Toyota Corolla, It's Much nicer than a Civic with 100K, And it's Bullet Proof for problems (not a 1 in 100K) and the interior is Nice and it's a LE trim. Your Correct about the 1.5 Liter Honda. Before I would buy/marry any Honda Accord or Toyota Camry car I do my home work on them. But most people won't, I use to be like that with American Brand Cars, and had nothing but expensive problems. Though it's no Fair to compare a Honda Civic to a Toyota Camry, That's Apples to Oranges on Mechanical Components and interior materials quality.
I bought a 2005 Accord 4 years ago with 18k. I changed myself timing belt and some other things. Now reaching 210k miles and running great. I spent around 3k in the car and parts and It's been my car for the last 4 years. I recently changed spark plugs and coils. But I’m impressed with that car, it runs great.
My wife and I purchased a new 2016 Honda Accord EXL back in January2016. Honda hit a home run with that model and year. We still own the Accord and it is very reliable, great handling and still looks like showroom condition (we have a garage and take care of our vehicle). Being retired, it’s nice to have the car paid for and not worry about a car payment (especially today’s prices and loan interest rates).
Thanks for sharing
Still driving my 2004 EX-L V6 Honda Accord.
My 2014 Accord has 62k miles, without a turbo, thank goodness. I'm just keeping up with maintenance and doing oil changes every six months, as well as transmission fluid change every 30k miles.
Did you opt for the 6AT or CVT? Might pick one up since the 10th gens suffer from problems with oil dilution.
My deciding factor is that Toyota engines are mostly non-interference engines, whereas most Honda engines are interference engines. If your timing belt/chain breaks, your non-interference Toyota engine won't suffer severe engine damage, but any Honda interference engine can wind up with the pistons hitting the valves if the timing belt/chain breaks--which means you'll need expensive engine work. I don't worry about a Toyota timing belt or chain breaking because I know my engine will simply stop working without any internal damage. Always check used Hondas to see if they've suffered internal engine damage due to timing belt/chain breakage.
If you do the maintenance interval belt replacement as specified by both automakers, then there's really no need to worry regardless if they're interference engines or not.
You're right, Honda sucks when the timing belt slips or breaks. The engine will be shot and a new engine costs 10 thousand to put in.
Dude, how often does a Honda break a timing chain? How about like never? And Hondas have chains, no belts, which is better.
@@markr.1984Yeah, that's what i was thinking too. Most vehicles have timing chains now and don't think those things fail with any relevant frequency.
ILX is built to last. DCT, VTEC engine and they ditched the belt for a timing chain. One of the best commuters you can get honestly.
I'm still running an 08 civic, hoping to keep it running for the next few years + because money is tight out here!
Older ones can go almost forever
Got a 2006 Odyssey with 261,000 miles… ain’t perfect but still running… she’s had some work, ain’t gonna lie… but still kicking!
09 civic 203k
Toyotas are crazy reliable compared to other brands... Hondas are supposed to be reliable also but I don't trust their transmissions
That’s true Toyotas are real work horses and Hondas have some that are too, however
Maintain your Honda Transmission with regular fluid changes and it will last. Literally every manufacturer has problems with transmissions.
I have a 2010 Honda civic with 258,000 miles and still running good cant complain
@@bb2status Ive never had problems with Toyota transmissions..nor do I ever "maintain " them or do any "regular fluid changes" on them
@@decorelone51 I had a Honda Accord.. transmission went out on it
I drive a 17 civic Si, bought with 20k in 2019 and now 2023 94k miles, ac has been my only issue,
I also have a 01 tundra with 214k miles, new suspension, fuel injector, radiator, waterpump,
Over all I’m very happy with my vehicles, I maintain them to the tee
Sounds like a good run
I’ve owned several Toyota and Lexus vehicles for the last 30 some years and without exception I’ve always had excellent owners experience. During these years I purchased one brand new 2016 Honda CRV and the dealer experience was horrible. The best way to describe the Honda dealer experience was they continuously “stalked” me…..via telephone calls, texts and emails reminding me of needless service schedules, brand promotions I had no intention of ever using as well as incessant phone backs while my car was being serviced…..even after I called the Service Manager to cease and desist! After 18 months I couldn’t take it anymore, sold my low mileage CRV to a relative in a different Alberta city and wished them luck! Toyota and or Lexus dealers have never harassed me like Honda did. Never again will I buy a Honda…..unless it’s a lawnmower or snow blower.
That's because the dealer doesn't make a lot of money selling Honda. Toyota on the other hand sell way more cars, the dealers make more money and don't have to harass their customers for the service revenue. Even Honda lawnmowers aren't that special, they might last 2 times longer, but cost 4 times more!
Or bike...I love my 2000 Honda ace
My 13 civic had the pulsating brake issues, TPMS is always on, it doesn't track well, AC is done, and the shifting isn't smooth. Finally, the steering wheel is falling apart at 155k miles (11 yrs). Still, it always starts + no expensive repairs.
civic and 4cyl hondas are not reliable. Things break all the time except the engine and trans.
I have found that some cars cost more than $100 to change a front light bulb due to the difficulty of getting to the bulb. I love remote start in winter (no garage) so I put up with an expensive computerized battery. Rust should be included in the cost of maintenance. Some cars rust out faster than others. I'm getting two spots replaced to save my 2011 car's body this summer and it is expensive even at an independent shop recommended to me for older cars, but the rest of the car runs great and I want to keep it until prices go down. (It's not a Toyota or Honda.)
My family is Toyota fans since the 80's, we had other brand like VW, Buick, MB, BMW, Honda, but end up, we stay with Toyota, a family of six, we had Corolla, Corona, Sienna, and Highlander. Honestly, we have the service, oil change on time, no joy ride, and they can last over 15 yrs till we trade in another Toyota.
No major problem, except our 30 yrs Corolla have oil leak.
BTW, this is a good video and help us to make a smart choice, thanks.
This video gets more enjoyable the more you expand on your views about other brands and the car interiors. Thanks for a good laugh.
More to come!
Those older Civics were reliable unlike the Civic Turbo models with oil dilution issues.
Honda HRV are poor quality made in Mexico.
My local mechanic who services my Ford 6cyl sedan (I am keeping) tells me you cannot go past Toyota and he repairs everything. My brother has a Honda CRV and he and his wife love it. Before that they had a HRV. Personally I like the new Mazda SUV range being rolled out. They seem to be going upmarket now.
Mazda has been slept on, honestly. They've been pioneers for decades and decades. I was happy to get a friend into a 3...
Arunta, Went to a junkyard a number of years ago. It was breathtaking the lack of Toyotas and Hondas. Only really old or severely accidented ones. Expensive brands like Mercedes, Cadillac, Audi were more common! Wow! What does that tell you. As Scotty Kilmer would tell us, “they’re endless money pits!”
@@lukek1949 Yes if you own a European car that is out of warranty you are in trouble. I was told that years ago.
@@lukek1949 lol Scotty.
The Honda HRV might rank well, but if you’re 6’ or taller, forget about ever having the luxury of straightening your legs out or having comfortable head room. A great vehicle for smaller people though.
Thanks and yes
Same problem with the CRVs, it needs more space for taller people and on long rides it can be uncomfortable for my back. I’m 6’0”.
No mention of timing belts? Just changed a timing belt on my 2012 Honda Pilot. DIY, and it is a difficult job. Paying the Honda dealer to do a timing belt is a big ticket item. I have owned a few cars with timing chains that went 250,000 miles. Given a choice between a vehicle with a timing belt, or one with a timing chain, I would prefer the timing chain.
My 2014 CR-V has a chain, and plenty of Toyotas use belts. It really just depends on the specific engine.
@@scottshannon3654 Yep another reason Honda shouldn’t have ditched the 2.4L engine. It has a timing chain. So automatically makes it more reliable than some of the newer stuff they’ve came out with.
I own a 2008 Honda Element and a 2009 Toyota Matrix both about 170.000 km's with manual transmission. Honda has been a tad more reliable, but they're both great cars.
I bought a new Honda CR-V in 2022 and love it. I have owned both Honda and Toyota in the past along with other brands like Ford, GM and Chrysler. I have had much better luck with Honda and Toyota than the other brands, though, is why I keep coming back to them. I will have to admit though that I liked the Toyota Venza hybrid better than the Honda CR-V hybrid but when I ask about changing the battery in 10 years when it was worn out the Toyota Venza was going to cost me 10k Vs. the Honda CR-V at 35 hundred. That was the Make or break for me and I went with the Honda as I plan on owning my car for over 10 years. I figure it's the only way I can truly get my money out of it since it costs so much now. My Toyota pickup truck I bought new in 94 I still drive it some, I use it to pull a portable sawmill through the woods. My Honda Accord I bought new in 2000 I still drive it some as well. Neither of them gave me much trouble and are great cars and that is the reason I keep going back.
I can only speak from my experience. My 3rd Honda is a 2008 Accord (bought new). Other than maintenance, I have made 1 mechanical repair to replace a timing sensor.
I have a 2018 Honda HRV with 110,000 miles on it. Outside of brakes, oil changes and tires, I paid about $700 for new shocks/struts. Other than that, it has not cost me a penny.
Spend a little time looking at the high voltage cable issue on recent RAV4 hybrids, and possible Primes and Highlander hybrids. The electric supply cable assembly to the rear motor has been corroding out and killing the vehicle. $6-7000 repair, and Toyota refused to cover it under the 8 year hybrid system warranty (they recently changed their tune and are going to cover it). They did a crap 'fix' by putting an opening in the cable to let water escape (rather than stop water getting in in their first place?). So not only an engineering fail but a customer relations fail.
Not sure how you keep up with all of this, but I appreciate how you talk about cars. Lots of respect and attention to all the different ways that people use cars, not just luxury cars.
I will keep buying reliable dive train Accords or Camry's in gas only powered cars for a while until they get the Bugs worked out on Hybrids/EV's.
@@billpohlman7302 What's crazy is that this type of cable has been in use for a decade or more with no issues in other vehicles and models. Toyota hybrids have been very reliable. Then some idiot decided to flip the cable connector and place it directly in road spray. And as they say, the cover-up is the real crime, Toyota initially refused to fix it under warranty claiming it isn't part of the hybrid system. Their own manual has the part shown and labeled in a drawing of the hybrid system, even!
@Dan Daniel There is another CZcams channel called the Car Care Nut, who is a Toyota specialist. He addressed the Toyota cover-up on this issue. What a shame. This sounds like a Big 3 type of money saving deceitful tactic.
2013 to 2017 J series V6 Accord without auto trans (no CVT), cylinder deactivation disabled, and upgraded brake rotors is my pick for reliability and decent power. 4 bangers are too slow
Excellent analysis
Thank you very much
2010 Honda Fit, 5 SPD manual...220,000 miles. Replaced cat, ac compressor and front rotors. Not bad.
Hopefully, even with increasing technologies, Toyota will continue to keep reliability, just as they did with the first hybrid Prius, by using experiences and mandating changes before they are identified as problematic. The issue is the time needed on the road to identify any issues, which can effect reputation on any new tech and/or model.
Yes my worries are on even Toyota vehicles, the Venza is nice vehicle I like to buy that but in the meantime the control panel is touch pad system.after warranty periods ,may be 2 years or 3 years on the road , if it is not responding on by cold weather you are stuck on the road. All this electronics are how long will last,there is no test results yet, and replacing parts cost will be more than $2000 or $3000
On that time Toyota will be more reliableand durable than others?
Time will tell☹️
You might not know this, but while we first received the Prius for the 2000 model year, Japan got it in 1996.
07 camry144k here. Are toyota's slipping with quality? my next car will be a 15 to 17. I am always behind.
@@ThamilNesan😅😮8n
Been waiting for this video, always love my Honda tho...
One reason I got a used Honda Clarity was that it has the 1.5 liter motor, but no turbo and it has port injection. The transmission is basically a big electric motor, although it does have a wet clutch and direct drive gear at highway speeds. Talk to me in 10 years and I’ll let you know if my bet paid off
Our 92 Honda Prelude is still running strong at half a million miles. We are curious on newer Hondas and Toyotas. Thank you for the info. What we would like to know, a car without body roll in the corners , like our Prelude. Is the Supra the only option in a sport?
The Supra has a BMW engine and the 86 has a Subaru engine. Toyota’s only full offer in sportiness is the Gazoo Racing Corolla.
Honda is coming out with a new Prelude either next year or 2025. It will be a hybrid, but high-end sports car oriented.
Just bought a 07 Accord with the K24 4 banger. It replaced a 00 Avalon with the 3L v6. The Avalon finally gave out after 316k miles. Either brand will last decades if properly maintained
had 07 acura tsx. Engine and trans were good at 255k miles before I sold it. It was not reliable. Starter(design flaw), strut, wheel bearing, ac unit, alternator, Rack and Pinion (major and very common) broke before 200k miles.
I have a 2010 Toyota Corolla bought it new and it has 156,355 miles on it and the only thing that I had to change was the transmission and eve thing else is running smoothly
You gotta service the transmission to keep it reliable. Change the oil every 50 - 60k is what everyone say
I have a Honda delsol 1994 si with 198000 miles original 28 years now I'm the first owner this car still drives great .
Love the channel
Thanks very much
Toyota and Lexus is the way to go. Most recent weekend fun to drive purchase was a much desired SC430 and not disappointed.
I found one after 6 months of searching. What a dream car i will never sell it
True. Im owning a 2020 ES300h. Its so quiet and soft when driving. Love it. 56k miles now with no issues
with the top spot taken by Honda. Only one in every 344 Honda owners have had engine trouble, with second-placed rival Toyota notching up just one in 171.
I have a Honda CRV and a Honda Ridgeline and have never paid over $50. for a oil, filter change at a Honda dealership ( three years ago in the thirty five dollar range). This also includes topping off fluids and air in tires and a vehicle check .
I scrolled through every comment and not a single person brought up that this guy just said it was $400 for an oil change. Wtf
Honda has had a dip in reliability for the late 2010s, but they are making a comeback. Their 2016+ CVTs are reliable since CVT issues seem to be limited to the 2014-15 Civic and 2015 Fit, their 10AT is reliable, their new hybrids are reliable, and also any of their engines that are not the 1.5t are reliable.
idk my uncles 1.5 t has 200k miles on his 2018 accord
100 percent
Maybe, but Hondas are still far more reliable than any other car brand out there. Save Toyotas.
And that is good enough for most people.
I think the 1.5 L turbos had fuel dilution issues in the oil. Even Toyota and Honda are not perfect. If they come out with a new engine or transmission, I’d wait several years, so the manufacturer can work out any kinks.
............. bring back the 5 speed auto lol
The Camry actually still makes the 3.5 V6 with I think 301hp,wich is quite alot a power and it's a pretty fast car.5.something to 60😁
It's the one reason to pick the Camry over the Accord.
@TeeKay the current 2023 gen, anyways. The previous 2.0T with its 252 hp was still faster than the v6 camry.
@@fireemblemaddict128 Perhaps, but from a longevity standpoint, the V6 makes a lot more sense.
Plus, if you really put the spurs to the 2.0 litre engine, it gets about the same mileage as the V6.
@@fireemblemaddict128 yea, but I rather have the N/A V6 engine then a turbo.
@@fireemblemaddict128but little turbos are going to not last nearly as long
I'm one of those guys who plans on keeping my vehicles for well over a decade. My 1998 Toyota Camry LE 4cyl. is still going strong with over 336k miles. My 2007 RAV4 has over 269k miles. How many people are still driving a 25-year old sedan and a 16-year old SUV?
Great point
I’m a mechanic and I’ve had my best luck with Honda‘s. parts are a lot cheaper than Toyota’s by a long shot. Example door check, link Honda 30 bucks Toyota, 220 CND. Power steering return line Honda 30 bucks Toyota, 200 bucks. Anything other than brakes and tires and oil changes on a Toyota you better get your wallet out. I also find Toyota’s a lot harder to service. Honda is just a lot more mechanic friendly to work on which will cost you less money to fix in the end.
Went with the 2.0L NA CIVIC with 6 speed manual transmission. I have high hopes for its longevity. I wasn’t too crazy in their 1.5L turbo.
Is it new? I didn’t think they offered the manual on their non-sport cars.
@@GeneralSirDouglasMcA it’s a 2023. I’m not sure if you’re in the US or CAN market… but in the US you can get the sport with a manual
@@trhoads0503 Awesome. I’m in the U.S.
Oh man, It will last forever. Just do regular maintenance and thats it
I have a 2016 civic lx with the 6 speed manual and it hit 160k and is still running great. Only a small paint issue that is barely visible. Love the car
I don't know where you live but oil changes aren't more than 75 bucks even for a high-end car usually
$75 usd is like $118 canadian.
I stand behind Honda and Toyota. However, if I want a V6 or V8, I go with Toyota. If I want a good stout 4 cylinder, I go with Honda. Both makes have their faults but I trust them both anyday. I currently own a 2007 Honda Fit automatic w/245k miles and 2018 Lexus ES350 w/102k miles. Both cars I purchased back in 2020 and both cars have not given me any issues.
Which optional equipment is worth ordering on a new Toyota RAV4
It seems like early failures are becoming more and more common across the brands. Not surprising when you consider increasing technology and decreasing quality (cost cutting). I dunno, but it seems like a bad combination to me.
if that's what you're putting your poker chips on then i'd say go Subaru. they've been doing the CVT stuff since 2010, and the FB series of engines they've been using for nearly as long.
even the next gen 2024 Crosstrek+Impreza are using both, albeit with some small modifications to engine smoothness, transmission behavior etc.
My son has a 2019 Honda Accord 1.5t, junk junk junk, 70k highway miles and the head gasket needed to be replaced. Car never overheated, dash lights started to come on and off randomly. Took the dealer a few visits to figure out what was wrong. This will be my families last non v6 Honda.
I heard the 1.5t is a hit or miss engine. The quality has been going down. Mazda has been getting better.
When I was car shopping last year. I was choosing between a 2018 Civic Si, 2018 Accord EXL 1.5T, and a 2019 Acura ILX with the K24 engine. I ended up getting the Acura because I do not trust the 1.5T engine, especially with how I drive. I know it wouldn’t last/be reliable without expensive repairs. Yeah the interior on the last Gen Acuras are outdated, but these are some of the last bulletproof cars Honda made imo. It’s at 70k miles now and not a single issue. Just changed the transmission fluid a few thousand miles ago and it drives even better than when I first bought it. My next car will either be a Mazda 3 Turbo or Camry V6. It’s a shame Honda discontinued the 2.4 engine because it wasn’t fuel efficient enough. And the 2.0T in the accord.
What does the head gasket have to do with it being a turbo? The turbo didn’t blow on you.
Toyota Camry or Corolla will last forever with regular maintenance.
@@artieartya You obviously know nothing about engines. And shouldn't think that you do.
Here's a favour for you..
Turbos make extra torque by introducing extra air to be used for combustion. This creates extra pressure in the engine. A head gasket is integral to one of the highest pressure areas prone to being exploited...that being the combustion chamber.
You're welcome.
Toyota = longevity, durability and reliability. I can use a Toyota car for 20 years with proper maintenance.
Honda = Aesthetics, speed and reliability as well. There's still durability but not the same as Toyota.
Good review.
Thank you
Also Toyota and Honda are fairly close in reliability. They both make fantastic engines. Honda engines maybe even a slight edge. Biggest difference is Honda transmissions have been there weak point. Especially in the early 2000s
Only on the V6's
You really can'y go wrong with either brand. When my car finally bites the dust, I'll probably buy either a corolla or a civic and call it a day. Neither are terribly exciting vehicles, but I want something that will last me 15-20 years with minimal hassle.
True
Have RAV 4 and a RDX….like them both for different reasons but really like them both…no problems as of now and hope I just didn’t jinx myself
I've owned both Honda and Toyota, I've had much fewer problems with my Hondas. All my cars went over 200k, however living in the Northeast, I get a lot of rust, and really find keeping cars beyond 200,000 is not worth it.
True same over here in western Canada, it gets to a point where it’s an eyesore
I've had both the Camry and the Honda. The old ones I would say were equally reliable. I'm looking at the new Camry or the new Accord to purchase. But I've already decided that I'm going to end up with the Camry. Because even though it's year 2023 do you know Honda accords still require periodic valve adjustments manual valve adjustments? That is crazy this year since almost every brand has automatic valve. Plus Camry still has a regular transmission.
I compared the Accord and Camry back in 2019 when I purchased my new vehicle. I liked them both but opted for the Camry as it did not have a CRT and turbo. I had also seen comments on the internet as it pertained to Honda's gasoline leaking into the oil areas of the engine and the possible harm it was causing. I prefer tried and true versus most recent technologies, hence I lean towards Toyota.
Yeah all true. But most importantly the gas pedal vibration was it for me
I faced the same choice a month ago. Back in 2010 it was No-Brainer, the Honda Accord drove so well, so reliable. Now the new car buyer is forced to get a car crammed with technology that did not exist back then. Will it be reliable? Only time will tell. Do I really need a car that beeps when I got over a line a bit.
Back to reliability: Honda's Earth Dreams....stay away. All GDI engines will have their valve and valve stems fouled with crud. The gas with its additives will never touch those valves....except...with the Toyota Camry's EIGHT fuel injectors! Yes, Camry has both GDI and Port injection, to keep those valves clean.
my 2005 acura tl never had an adjustment and sounds like new, actually sounds better and more smooth than the louder v6 new engines
@@mrc79 yea i owned a Honda fit, and asked my mechanic about valve adjustments, he said he's rarely have to perform those adjustments for the i4 engines civics and fits have. These services just exist as a peace of mind for those who hear the valve clicking noise I guess.
I am a fleet manager for a major pharmaceutical company.
We have approximately 1200 vehicles in our fleet, everything from Hyundai Accents to Mercedes Benz S-Class, and the less expensive cars are pool vehicles and the more expensive ones are assigned to management.
They are driven by drivers who think there is a rotten egg under the accelerator to those trying to qualify for NASCAR.
They are maintained by the book at their respective dealers and are traded in or sold at five years or 150k miles.
Toyota and Honda have both suffered significant declines in reliability/durability over the last ten years.
They are both still good but no longer the best and several models from supposedly inferior manufacturers are as good or better.
Precious first hand statistical data👍
Is the S Class an S550?🎹🎶
@MERCEDES-BENZ E430 FOURMATIC AVANTGARDE W210 We have 93 S-Class models in our fleet.
They are 2018 to 2023 models with between 10,485 to 115,771 miles.
We have everything from an S-500 to a Mercedes Maybach.
BS. Statistics are made with big numbers (like Consumer Reports reliability studies ran on more than 300'000 cars).
Not statistically relevant, but I also had more than 800 cars in my fleet.
The best were the Toyotas (Honda declined since 2014 with their turbos and some plastic parts, Mazda replacing Honda for the second place).
The worst for us were the German cars, worse than the French ones.
Of course, we never bought/leased lemons from the Chinese, South-Korean, Italian or American brands.
@@codincoman9019 BS. Sounds like you are less educated, more like a lemon yourself.
I go to the Honda dealership for oil change and vehicle inspection. But when they tell me I need any major repair or replacement I tell them maybe later and I go to my private mechanic shop for the work. I have a honest shop that only works on Hondas and Acura. They know their stuff and don't try to rip you off. I've had occasions were I was told I needed new brakes front and back and declined then took the car to my private shop and they laughed about the brakes needing to be replaced. I had over 50% left on the front and well over 60% on the rear.
Corolla should be in there . My 2010 is one owner- me- and no problems at all. None. Routine maintenance and a new battery at 8 years. That's it.
Have an old friend with an 04 CRV nearing 500,000 Kms on the odo and the only thing he complains about is the rust. Only time will tell how far those turbo engined Hondas go, but you still have the option to get a non turbo ver. So far the Mazda CX-5 is at top of my SUV list as one of the most reliable vehicles for a small family.
Go Mazda...they bring a fun factor the other two simply do not represent (without getting an Si or similar).
Love your reviews.Very informative. I had a Lexus go in for essentially an oil change and come out at plus 600.00. I was quite disappointed with this dealership.
Thanks for watching and yes I know your pain as there is no reason for an oil service to cost more than 150 bucks since they use products by the bill and the don’t put on a journeyman to an oil service, usually that apprentice or labourer
Yep! It’s why it’s best to learn to do oil changes oneself. The dealership will start putting other services on to an oil change when all a car owner asked for was an oil and filter change.
@@starwarskong True. I’ve owned trucks cars and had a trucking business and did all my own services. I have a low car now and no hoist or shop. It’s easier to find a reputable dealer to do it. If he sees something that needs fixing along the way I will do it. I just need to know I can trust him or her
I just had a Honda place mess up with false information provided before a service and I asked if he needed my signature to approve it and he said no. When I was a service advisor I always had to get a signature to approve it on a particular dollar amount. Now they don't care but for your information you can deny payment unless you authorized that amount beforehand.
Well, they told you, whatever it was. They wouldn’t do extra services without your consent. If they did, they could run into legal problems.
Is a 2013 civic reliable? I bought one recently with 23,000 miles if you can believe it.
Loved my smooth Ridgeline but it had a belt. Love my 4Runner, has a chain, and is brilliant (indestructible engine and transmission), poor brakes, water pump and rust on mainframe unless you coat regularly. Brakes are easy to replace, transmission isn’t.
The 23 model Camry should be great, as it’s the 5th year they’ve manufactured this generation without any redesigns (you don’t want to buy a vehicle the 1st year or so after being redesigned, especially if it’s a new engine or transmission; the Camry had some issues with the new 8 speed when it first released in 2018).
100% Truth. That's why I bought my 2023 Camry as well.
@@rorycalhoun1126 And even though it’s rumored the 24 model will have a redesign, it’ll supposedly have the exact same engine & transmission.
I heard all 24 will be hybrid
@@jack8356 I hope the heck not.
So the 2023 Prius is no good ?
The heater core went out on my 2010 Honda and had to be replaced. It and the service on it were expensive as it was hard to get to. It is the first car I've ever owned where the heater core went out, making it impossible to drive with foggy windows and pancake syrup smell. Also, Honda dealer constantly pressured for unneeded repairs to make more money, and I found out, after the fact, charged for repairs they never did. A reliable car if you do your own repairs. My 1996 Toyota constantly needed brake repairs and the doors froze shut in the winter as the gap was too wide. Otherwise, very reliable car. My favorite car I've ever owned. I wanted a Toyota when I had to buy a new car, but none were available.
I had a 2010 honda accord too. Did you ever have gas pedal vibration problem like i did?
The 90s was the worst decade for toyota.
Yeah, Honda engines are for the most part good, but the rest of the car is very average. You can get much better reliability for the same money from Toyota.
Have or had a 95 civic, 03 Honda Element (187K), 2007 CRV (201k), 2008 CRV (182k), 2917 CRV (56k). I stay away from the small engines and turbos in the CRVs. May be giving up gas milage, but the 2.5 K series engine has been very reliable. Only repairs were on the 2007, needed front end bushings and power steering pump. Have had several older Hondas and Toyota. All were used but provided good service. I always change oil and filter every 5k. My estimation is that the older Toyotas were better than Hondas, but after 2000 they are very comparable. Pick the one you like for styling, ride, etc. Can't go wrong either way.
Very nice. They go and go
I’m looking for a new or used car now. And I did remember hearing about the CVT’s, and I don’t want any problems later on cause we have sometimes potholes here in Michigan and hitting that would make me leery.Q regular gasoline engine with a 4 to 6 cylinder. I have a Honda Accord 210 which I bought at auction and that’s been good but I have to look into a new one now use the newer one and I’m looking into Honda Accords EXL because that’s what I have right now, but I want to avoid completely the CV tees. I just wanted to refresh myself now and I did.
I know the CVT's get a bad rap, but the one in my Civic is the best transmission I've ever had. I am worried about the 1.5 though? I've had 50K trouble free miles so far, but I'm going to replace this car in 2024.
50 k is nothing and doesn't prove if it is reliable
Replace the car before the head gasket goes. Those 1.5 turbo earth dreams motors are junk
Honda has always had essential parts thats sensitive and requires extra care but still will be as reliable as any. Overall toyota is about as close to maintenance free as a car gets. Does it needs tuneups like any other car? Yes. But toyotas overall doesnt require as much maintenance
80k miles on my ‘18 Accord 2.0 and it drives just as smooth as brand new. I drive it hard and No repairs needed so far
Toyota’s are reliable but usually at the expense of modern tech and efficiency. Look at the 4runner, way more reliable than a Wrangler but a lot less efficient. Honda on the other hand I think is more aesthetic and has modern features but slightly less reliable. I think they’re tie in my mind.
Car care nut, Scotty Killer, and everyone else say TOYOTA FOR THE WIN ALWAYS!!!!!!
Cheers
Chris Fix also.
Scotty Kilmer says Honda makes a better engine, but Toyota makes a better car.
That's your believe sir but to me Honda is the best for sure
Is that the hrv 2016-2022 or 2023 new model for repairpal
Honda’s 1.5T really drag down the rating, for Honda with v6 or naturally aspirated 4, they are still as reliable as before
Cheers
We have owned multiple of both Japanese brands. You can't go wrong with either.
The American and European cars we have owned had lots of problem after 60k miles, and horrible resale value if any!
I agree